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Power Two Podcast: What if the 16 Team Playoff Started in 2014?
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In this episode, we do a deep dive on the proposed 16 team playoff. It's great to talk about the future but what if the 16 team playoff started in 2014? How would this structure affect the conferences, and which teams would have thrived under a 16 team format? We go in depth on the impact this structure would have had on college football!
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Introduction & Podcasting Challenges
00:00:09
Jordan
What's good everybody welcome in into another episode of Get Defensive Sports Network's Power 2 podcast cast where we are here to talk about the power of playoff expansion, the power of becoming an uncle for the second time,
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Period.
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I love this for you.
00:00:26
Jordan
and the power of pre-recording podcasts.
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Yes, because again, we are breaking the fourth wall.
00:00:35
Jordan
you can't you can't You can't pre-record a podcast and not tell people it's pre-recorded because then something, with college football, because this going to come out on whenever it comes out.
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Again.
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Yes, you can.
00:00:45
Jordan
And like the day before, we're going to have the biggest news in the world. And they're going be like, so you're not going to talk about... X thing. Like, you're not going to talk about Georgia coach getting fired and this player getting arrested and the playoff is now officially 25 teams.
00:00:53
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That's fair, that's fair.
00:01:02
Jordan
Like, something's going to happen. They're like, so, like, y'all not. And we're not going have a real episode for two weeks. So, we're definitely going to miss something big. And it always works out like that.
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See now, why you gotta put that out in the universe? We're not gonna miss anything big.
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Jordan
Because it, okay.
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Hopefully.
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Jordan
How confident are you?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So anyways, we're going to talk about the power of prerecorded episodes.
00:01:26
Jordan
Yes, the power of electronics.
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The power of Jordan being out of town and being unreliable to do the episodes in real time.
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Jordan
We're here.
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No, I'm just kidding. Cause
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Jordan
You know, they be on people to hate on you.
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unlike me who is dedicated to my podcasting, I traveled with my podcast gear.
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Jordan
Ah, don't lie. Don't get on here and lie. Don't get on here and lie. Don't get on here and lie.
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I traveled with my podcast gear.
00:01:49
Jordan
Don't get on here and lie.
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And I shot the show in real time.
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Jordan
like i didn't have to Like, I didn't have to do gymnastics to record with you because you was gone every single weekend.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
It was not gymnastics.
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Jordan
I was breaking my back to try to fit into your schedule.
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Okay.
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I was traveling with my gear.
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Jordan
Hey.
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So therefore, even if you were breaking your back, I was still showing my dedication to this show.
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Jordan
You were also in a hotel room by yourself with a desk and plugs and things. I'm not doing that. Since you want put my business out there.
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Jordan
Since want to talk about me.
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This episode is about to be so ghetto because we've been sitting here recording all day.
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Jordan
Anyways. We.
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This is about to be ghetto.
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Jordan
Are. Talking.
16-Team Playoff Expansion Discussion
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Jordan
About.
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College football.
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Jordan
The playoff, the college football playoff to be exact.
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Yes.
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Jordan
As you all are well aware, as you are well versed, as you are well knowledgeable about, we are on the cusp of having a 16 team playoff.
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Yes.
00:02:44
Jordan
And by cusp, I mean we're not going to find out for six more months because these people don't do anything well. They don't do anything well at all. Not a single thing, especially when it comes to being on time.
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Well.
00:02:55
Jordan
But we're talking about anyway, this is our last, hopefully, conversation about the playoff until it is official. But we had an idea that we thought was going to be interesting, and I think it's going to very interesting, and it works perfectly because, again, pre-recording.
00:03:11
Jordan
To look back at the playoffs, this was done technically by the playoff people, um the SEC in particular. when they had been a little shady, they ah the big team in the SEC did this when it was originally going to be 14 teams.
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Jordan
They essentially looked at like how many teams each conference would have gotten in when they were trying to push for the 4-4, 2-2-1 alignment. done alignment And so they basically came out and said, if it was always 12 or if it was always 14, this is how many on average your conference would have gotten in.
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Jordan
And so we wanted to simply do something similar, but slightly more in depth, looking at who how many teams would have gotten in per conference over the last 10 seasons from 20, actually it's 11, if correctly.
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10 years.
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Technically, yes. Well, no, because 2025's data is not on here.
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Jordan
Let's see.
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Jordan
Well, you have to count 2014. So
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Jordan
so it's 11.
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Jordan
Just count them in your head. Just count each year. It's 11 seasons.
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Jordan
I just counted
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Jordan
them. 11 seasons. um don't know why you're looking like that. Just count them.
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Am I stupid? Okay, go ahead.
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Jordan
Just count them.
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Sorry. I was, I'm computing.
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Jordan
like
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Can I compute? Go ahead.
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Jordan
No, do you like froze? Like what are you doing? this this is a
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I was computing. I
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Jordan
This is an audio medium. You can't just freeze.
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i was computing, but you should also, you should also see that I didn't actually freeze, that I was computing because you are watching us on YouTube at Get Defensive Swords Network on YouTube.
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Jordan
Any. Yes
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Jordan
you are.
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So therefore you saw me computing. Thank you so much because I am not putting on makeup for nothing.
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Jordan
That's all you, frozen.
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You people are watching us on YouTube.
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Jordan
yes You are.
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Thank you.
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Jordan
11 seasons of data of if this was a 16-team playoff, who would have gotten in? i We did this. I did this um based on what is most likely going to be the thing, which is four five automatic qualifiers, one for the power four,
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Jordan
and then one for the highest G5 champion. The way I did this for the years that had the Pac-12, I did it how the four-team playoff essentially was, where it was the highest rated, the four highest rated.
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Jordan
So obviously through most of the data, it was the Power Five, but the four highest rated got the automatic bids.
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Mm-hmm.
00:05:45
Jordan
But ultimately with 16 teams, essentially every conference champ got in most years. So we're going to look 2014 to 2024. four 16 team playoff, who gets in, who does not.
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Jordan
And so I think an interesting place to start would be, I guess maybe i should explain how I did this. I sort of, I guess I already explained it. I went back, I looked at, I picked all the conference championships.
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Jordan
I looked through the history, got all the conference championships. um I then did the, because I'd looked at the playoff, the final top 25 from the college football playoff ranking.
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Jordan
In the years where it made sense, I just did 1 through 16. In the year where the highest-rated G5 team was not ranked in the top 16, which did not happen every year but did happen a couple of years, I then jumped them to number 16.
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Jordan
Most of the years, because it's 16 teams, the highest rated G5 team actually was involved. If you remember, there were multiple years where UCF was really good, where Cincinnati was really good, and so they were essentially top 10 teams.
00:06:56
Jordan
But there were a couple of years, like 2014 for one, 2015 for one, and where the highest rated G5 team was not in the top six teams. So they came in at the bottom.
00:07:08
Jordan
And so basically by looking at the conference champions, by looking at all of the final top 25 college football playoff rankings from the CFP committee, I determined who would make these.
00:07:22
Jordan
So um I think we should start with the conferences.
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Come on data.
00:07:28
Jordan
um with the conferences
00:07:33
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Yes, I would also like to shout out Jordan because he did also aggregate playoff appearances by conference as well as appearances by team.
00:07:34
Jordan
Sound fair?
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Come on data.
00:07:42
Jordan
You know, try to do my little something, something, something every once in a while. So, um
00:07:50
Jordan
conferences. ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-12, ICC, G5, and then Notre Dame on its own.
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Correct.
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Jordan
So 11 years, the ACC would have gotten 23 teams in the playoff. The most they would have gotten in any single year is three. They would have gotten three, four separate times.
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Jordan
The lowest they would have gotten is one. They would have gotten one in three separate times. The Big Ten, so their average of the 11 seasons, they average, yes, they average 2.3 playoff entrance per year in a so hypothetical 16-team playoff.
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And the majority of the time it was Clemson.
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Jordan
The Big Ten had 40 entrants. forty entrance
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Jordan
mom
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Come on, math. That's 40.
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That's 40. Anyways.
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Jordan
yeah
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that's forty
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Jordan
Yeah, okay, whatever. but
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anyways
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Jordan
the The Big 40 playoff entrants for an average of at four a year. The highest that they would have had is five in 2015.
00:09:11
Jordan
The lowest that they would have had is two in 2014. They legitimately averaged basically four year. like it Like almost every single year it was four.
00:09:18
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yeah
00:09:20
Jordan
The Big 12 had a total of 24 teams. um They would have put them at 2.4. The lowest they would have had is one.
00:09:32
Jordan
um The highest they would have had is three. Most of the time they got two in. Yeah.
00:09:38
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at least two because the lowest was last year so
00:09:39
Jordan
yeah
Impact on Conferences & Recruitment
00:09:41
Jordan
Correct. they ah Which is very interesting because we're talking about this, and even in 16 teams, the Big 12 still would have only had one team, which feels wrong, but was correct.
00:09:53
Jordan
So they really cannibalized themselves. They had one extra team than the ACC. The Pac-12, which is, if we're thinking about it, throughout the history, was the third best conference in
00:10:05
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who
00:10:07
Jordan
They also ended up with 24, but they ended up with 24 because they didn't have a Pac-12 in 2024.
00:10:14
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Last year, yeah.
00:10:14
Jordan
And so some of those teams were then in other conferences that went in. For example, Oregon made it, which would have been um for them.
00:10:22
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One, yeah.
00:10:22
Jordan
ah Arizona made it, which would have been for them. And maybe there was another one. I don't remember. But the Pac-12 one less year, one less year Also 24 participants, average 2.4.
00:10:34
Jordan
But again, the Pac-12 is a little bit different. The most the Pac-12 would have had is five. um They tied the Big Ten with five. The least they would have had is zero.
00:10:45
Jordan
But that zero is weird. And it's because of the pandemic. The Pac-12 barely played in the pandemic. And they started later than others. And they just had like a really, really weird year.
00:10:56
Jordan
so And then they also had zero in 2024 because they didn't exist.
00:11:00
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Correct.
00:11:01
Jordan
The SEC had the most with 43, so three more over this time frame than the Big Ten. They would have averaged 4.3. The most that they would have had in a single year is six.
00:11:13
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And they did that twice.
00:11:14
Jordan
so Yes. the The least they would have had in a single year is two. And they also would have done that twice. The G5 averaged 15, so there were a couple of years where they got in more than one.
00:11:30
Jordan
um For an average of 1.5 teams in this data set, the most they would have gotten in a single year is two is three during 2020. That is the pandemic year. That was a weird year.
00:11:41
Jordan
But the year after that, they would have gotten two. And then Notre Dame, because you do have to talk about them because they would have been invited from 2014 2024.
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Jordan
They.
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have gotten in seven times.
00:12:00
Jordan
Yes. OK, so my data is wrong. Hold on.
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How?
00:12:04
Jordan
So this is let me let me do this again. This is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. ten ah eleven It is 11 seasons.
00:12:15
Jordan
My data is divided by 10. Not 11.
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Good job.
00:12:19
Jordan
not a
00:12:20
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So ignore everything he just said about averages. The numbers are still correct, but the averages are wrong. um
00:12:28
Jordan
Okay, I was like, I'm like looking at this and I'm like, there's something wrong with this data.
00:12:34
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Okay, so the averages went down ever so slightly, but but the point still stands.
00:12:36
Jordan
Slightly. Not, not, it's essentially the same.
00:12:40
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Yeah, I mean, the point still stands.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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ACC would have averaged a little over two teams per comp per uh cycle the big 12 big 10 excuse would have averaged a little over 3.6 per cycle big 12 2.2 basically per cycle pack 12 same thing 2.2 sec 3.9 g5 1.3 and then notre dame just a little under 0.6 percent of the time they would be in there yeah so
00:13:06
Jordan
Yes, Notre Dame made it seven times in 11 years. they made it They made it five years in a row from 2017 to 2021. They didn't make it in 2022 or 2023, made it again in 2024.
00:13:18
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And then they're back. Yeah. Yeah.
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Jordan
um They made it seven times in 11 years.
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yeah
00:13:23
Jordan
So I just thought you're sorry.
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yeah
00:13:24
Jordan
this is like Like you said, it's largely still the same, but I just knew that there was something wrong with my formula here. um So no one averaged exactly four. um But again, as you would expect, the SEC 3.9, the Big Ten 3.6, those were the highest.
00:13:43
Jordan
Everyone else, the ACC and Big 12 and the Pac-12 were all at varying levels of lower than two.
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too. Yeah.
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yeah
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Jordan
Low twos, G5 1.3.
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Jordan
Notre Dame made it seven times in 11 years.
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Thank you for recapping everything I just recapped.
00:13:58
Jordan
I know you're not the biggest college. yes yes Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly.
00:14:02
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So, I mean, I guess that means that there's a little bit ah of legitimacy to the four plus four plus two plus whatever, um, playoff structure that we discussed. Um, when we talked about it, this last, like there is legitimacy to saying, okay, if the big 10 just has four guaranteed spots, sec has four guaranteed spots, because on average, that is what has been happening.
00:14:23
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Um,
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Jordan
Yes.
00:14:25
Jordan
And so that was the conversation. And I love that you brought that up because it's like the the problem with the four, four, two, two, one, isn't that it was fake or that it was unreal or that it was unlikely.
00:14:38
Jordan
It's just that you would be making these two conferences put it on paper.
00:14:42
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Yeah.
00:14:43
Jordan
And that's what they didn't want to do. But you also, you like, there's a bit of a give and take, right? Because it's like, and with everything, it's a give and take. The ACC, for example, their average was 2.09.
00:14:55
Jordan
So if you don't accept, right, if you don't
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Yeah. What's, what's, who's to say they might not get three.
Competitive Balance & Conference Dominance
00:15:00
Jordan
accept the two, you are have three years in this data where you only get one team in.
00:15:05
Jordan
But there's also four years in this data where you get three teams in.
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Three.
00:15:09
Jordan
The Big 12 almost always gets two. Almost always. gets two they've only ever gotten one team once it would have been 2024 but they've also only gotten three teams three times out of 11 years so it's like you're sort of the the i mean i all ah like we're saying it does even out to that it's just they don't want to put it in writing and they do want that hope that there is a year that they get three but i think they're ignoring the years that they only get one and how that would account and how that would matter for them um
00:15:42
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And I'm still not a fan of putting it on paper because of that too. Like, yes, the data would suggest this, but also who's to say that talent doesn't get distributed in a different kind of way.
00:15:55
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And then the big 12 does get four teams and, or three teams and, or whatever, but then they only have the two guarantees. But like, that's the part that's to me, it almost like skews the competition in a way.
00:16:09
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if that makes sense, because it'll skew it towards, obviously, the Big Ten and the SEC because, yes, on average, they get more teams in. Duh. But, like, it's also, like, I feel like that will also skew players to want to play in those conferences because there's a better chance of them getting into – you know what i'm saying?
00:16:28
Jordan
Yeah, but unfortunately that's already happening.
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Like, well, yeah, I'm not – yes, yes.
00:16:31
Jordan
But you are right that when you like when you put it on paper, because like I could have told you this, right? If you thought about it, even though you're not a college football historian, you probably could have told you told this.
00:16:42
Jordan
But like an 18-year-old doesn't have this data. They don't know.
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Yeah.
00:16:46
Jordan
So they can be talked to. They can be convinced. You can tell them these things. But when it is on paper, it is true. It's like you are less likely. Like, if I'm a Big Ten school, I can go to you and say you're less likely to get into the playoffs.
00:16:58
Jordan
There are only two teams.
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yeah
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Jordan
Like, if you're not on one of those two teams, you're not going to get in. We're going to get minimum four. probably five or six. So, like, you just have, you're playing better competition. You're more likely to get to the playoffs. Like, that is something to consider.
00:17:12
Jordan
um My big issue, though, with them sort of, especially wanting the 5 and 11, is that we're not really getting to a place where it's more even.
00:17:27
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Mm-hmm.
00:17:28
Jordan
And the reason why i say that, let's just just look at the last... three years, right? And 2024, the Big Ten would have had four, the SEC would have had six. 2023, the Big Ten would have had three, the SEC would have had five. 2022, they both would have had three.
00:17:45
Jordan
In those same years, the ACC only would have had two twice, and the Big Ten, Big 12 would have had one one of those times. So we're getting, like, the data is not evening out.
00:17:55
Jordan
like when And the reason why I chose those years is I'm looking at the NIL years, and I'm looking at when we're supposed to have the transfer portal, more of the player movement, more of these sort of things.
00:17:55
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yeah
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yeah
00:18:05
Jordan
It's not getting better for them. It's getting worse. And if you look at the if yeah if you look at the Big Ten this year, if this was 16 teams, I would bet you right now the Big Ten gets five.
00:18:08
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The parody is... Yeah.
00:18:17
Jordan
I could name the five that they probably get in.
00:18:17
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Yeah.
00:18:19
Jordan
And the SEC probably gets five at least. Right. um The SEC was really weird last year because they all were nine and three, which is how they get to six.
00:18:29
Jordan
Like they were all sort of grouped right there.
00:18:31
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Right there. Yeah.
00:18:32
Jordan
And that's not going to happen every year. But it's like it's hard because. What is the Big 12, for example? What is to say next year or the year after that? Like, what's going to change between now and the next five years that you're not going to consistently only have one team?
00:18:49
Jordan
Like, we watched it. Last year was one of the best years for the Big 12, but they also all cannibalized themselves.
00:18:53
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Still only got one team. Yeah.
00:18:55
Jordan
So they it was super fun to watch, but often they only got one team. Like, how do we know that's not going to be the exact same this year? How do we know it's not going to be the exact same next year?
00:19:05
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But also, how do we know that the SEC and the Big Ten are going to stay the dominant conferences?
00:19:11
Jordan
Well, I...
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Like, how do we know that?
00:19:13
Jordan
Because they have significantly more...
00:19:14
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and And I know that, yes, I know they have significantly more money.
00:19:15
Jordan
Like, that is just...
00:19:19
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Yes. But, however, there's also the conversation of, like, playing time. Right. And the conversation of like a lot of talented players are going to want to either a lot of talented players, I think, are weighing a few things.
00:19:33
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Number one, they're weighing their their ability to leverage the brand of whatever school that they're going to to get NIL deals. That is a part of the decision making process. Right. There is obviously the coaching the staff, the whatever, bla blah, blah, the fit, all of that that is being considered as well.
00:19:47
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But also playing time is something that's being considered. If you are going to the bigger brands than a Big Ten or SEC school, you are going to sit your ass down for three years before you get to touch the ball. A lot of players are not going to want to do that. They're going to want to go to, quote unquote, smaller market or other types of schools where they have a better chance of actually playing.
00:20:03
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And I feel like that could also skew things in a way. Like, yes, the Big Ten and the SEC are always going to attract the the most, the the highest talent. They're always going to do that. But I also feel like who's to say that, like,
00:20:18
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it's It's always going to be them. Like, it's always going I don't know.
00:20:22
Jordan
it's It's always going to be them.
00:20:22
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Mm.
00:20:23
Jordan
So my like the I understand the logic of your argument, but I think what you're missing is like your argument is correct if you're talking about teams, but not conferences, if that makes sense.
00:20:35
Jordan
So like to your point of talking about playing time, right?
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Mm.
00:20:38
Jordan
You may be right that not everyone now is going to go to Ohio State and Georgia.
00:20:42
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Mm-hmm.
00:20:43
Jordan
But that helps Texas. Because if you remember, five years ago, Texas wasn't good.
00:20:46
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Mm-hmm.
00:20:47
Jordan
That helps Penn State. That helps Oregon. It helps Illinois. It helps Mississippi State. It doesn't help North Carolina. Like, that's my thing, where it's like, I do think there is going to be a slight distribution of talent, but I still think it's going to be in the same conferences.
00:21:04
Jordan
So instead of Georgia, Ohio State, and Alabama having 15 five-stars between the three of them, the 15 five-stars are now going to be at Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Oregon, and Bama.
00:21:05
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I see that.
00:21:15
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Distributed down through. Yeah.
00:21:19
Jordan
So now it's 15 players for six teams instead of three, but those players are still in the Big Ten and SEC.
00:21:20
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00:21:27
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00:21:27
Jordan
I do think we're going to see more champions where Penn State has a chance to
00:21:31
Jordan
Texas is probably going to win one eventually. Oregon's going to win one for their first time ever. But, like, I don't see Pittsburgh winning one, even in this talent distribution.
00:21:39
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Yeah.
00:21:40
Jordan
i don't see as much as it pains me because I do root for them because i went to school there. I don't see West Virginia winning one.
00:21:45
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West Virginia. Yeah.
00:21:47
Jordan
So it's just – that's the thing where it's true, but when we're – especially because you have you remember the conferences are bigger now. So when it was – when Oregon was in the Pac-12 and when – Texas was in the Big 12 and Oklahoma was in those are the schools that are going to get the players.
00:22:06
Jordan
It would have spread out among the conferences, but now they've accumulated them into the two conferences that you guarantee they're going to be at the top longer because they have more teams to keep them there.
00:22:18
Jordan
The Big Ten doesn't no longer just have Ohio State because but that's what they did have for the longest time.
00:22:18
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Yeah, that's fair.
00:22:21
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That's fair.
00:22:24
Jordan
Alabama may fall off without Nick Saban, but the SEC no longer only has to rely on Georgia because they immediately got Texas who's good.
00:22:31
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Texas and yeah. No, yeah, you're not you're not wrong. It's just one of those things I'm just like, I always want to leave room for competition. Not to say that the SEC and the Big Ten will just be trash in a few years because that's not true.
00:22:45
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I just am not a fan of, again, back to the original point of like putting those things down on paper and then it comes down to it and there's actual levels of parody because there will never be real parody in any of these college sports.
00:22:55
Jordan
Yes.
00:22:57
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But Then we get down to it where like 10 years down the line or ah five years down the line, there's access to little bit more parity.
00:22:58
Jordan
Yeah.
00:23:03
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And now the SEC is getting four spots and Big Ten actually has three teams that, excuse me, Big 12 actually has three teams that contend, but now they only get two. That's where I'm like, I don't like that.
00:23:15
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Cause it's just like, it could very well be college football is any given Saturday, Friday, or Thursday night, Thursday.
00:23:15
Jordan
yeah
00:23:23
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Yeah. They play on Thursday sometimes.
00:23:23
Jordan
Yeah, they play almost every day. They don't play as much on Thursday, but they do play.
00:23:25
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college College football is any given Saturday, any given Saturday.
00:23:29
Jordan
Yeah.
00:23:29
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So that's why I'm just like, you know, like even the teams were like, we can project all day that these four SEC teams are going to be the greatest. And then, I mean, even this year is kind of an example of that. Like Bama went nine and three.
00:23:45
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You know what i'm saying? And Indiana went 10 and 1. So I'm just kind of like, or 10 and 2, 10 and 11 and 1, whatever.
00:23:50
Jordan
Two.
00:23:50
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So I'm just like, 10 and 2, 11 and 1.
00:23:50
Jordan
Oh, yeah.
00:23:53
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So it's just like, I think about stuff like that.
00:23:54
Jordan
One of them.
00:23:55
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I think about stuff like that. Or like even with like SMU, for instance, like the conversation of whether or not we were actually going to make it in just simply because we didn't, because of like strength of schedule and all other bullshit.
00:23:57
Jordan
Yeah.
00:24:06
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Like, I don't know. I just feel like I would like to leave a room for it to still be competitive in a way. But anyways, sorry, sidebar.
00:24:17
Jordan
Yeah, no, I agree. So for me, i i think I have a couple of thoughts about it. I think the Big 12 and the ACC are ultimately going to regret doing 5 plus 11 because it doesn't save them if they have a bad year because ah this or bad years.
00:24:38
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Yeah.
00:24:40
Jordan
Because the thing you got to remember is there was always still... um at largest so if you had a really good year you could still potentially get three or four but it protects you when you have a bad year where again i'm not like when we do our it's again it's only 12 but if we were going to do it for 16 i don't know that i'm putting two big 12 teams in a 16 team playoff for 2025 like this coming season
00:24:49
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You could get that. Yeah.
00:25:07
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Mm-hmm.
00:25:08
Jordan
So it's just, it's what but but ultimately the reason why, and I went back and forth basically each week because there was new data each week. The reason, the thing that I wanted the most with the four, like the the automatic bids,
00:25:23
Jordan
is I feel like because these teams are soft, if they do 16, and the SEC is basically saying this, if they do 16 and there's not some promise basically by the committee that they're gonna value their strength of schedule,
00:25:41
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Mm hmm.
00:25:43
Jordan
they're not going to play these tough games anymore. I think it just came across my phone not that long ago that Illinois and Missouri just canceled a series. And those are not two of the best teams, but those are two equal teams in the Big Ten in the scc and and just canceled.
00:25:55
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That would be a fun. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:58
Jordan
And I didn't read it yet, so there may be something else behind it, but you're going to see more of these. We're going go to State-Texas this year. We got Mexican-Texas last year. We got Georgia-Clemson. I don't know if we're going to get those anymore.
00:26:13
Jordan
with the 16 team, like you think 16 teams are more likely, but they've already basically saying they're just not sure. The SEC doesn't want to go to nine conference games. The ACC is not at nine conference games.
00:26:24
Jordan
The SEC feels like they're not being respected because they had a down year and they did have a down year, but they want everyone to worship at their feet and say how tough their conference is.
00:26:29
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Yeah.
00:26:34
Jordan
And like all of this stuff where it's just, it's sort of hard where like the four sort of protected the non-conference, where with the new one, we just sort of have to hope that they stick to it. We have to hope that they still decide that they want to play these games.
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00:26:54
Jordan
And that is sort of what concerns me. I do agree that for the conferences, it what it is definitely probably best for them to fight and to say like, no, we want to earn it and we want to do the 5 plus 11.
00:27:09
Jordan
But I don't know if that is what's best for fans and for the actual competitions.
00:27:13
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the actual competition around. Yeah, I see what you mean by that. I think I don't know. And this is why when we had this conversation, I was like, I feel like the only way we're going to get to a place that makes sense is if you're doing like some sort of combination of both.
00:27:26
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Like maybe it's not for guaranteed teams, but maybe it's like 14 minimum. or something like maybe it's more of like okay the Big Ten gets at least four teams in and if a fifth or sixth team earns a spot then they earn a spot you know what i mean but it's not to say like we're capping it at this and same thing with ACC okay you get your two guaranteed spots but this happens to be a year where ah like maybe it's or maybe it's everybody gets one less right so the Big Ten ACC gets three guaranteed plus a fourth option does that make sense like
00:28:00
Jordan
Yeah.
00:28:01
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Maybe it's that sort of conversation where it's like, you're gonna get your guaranteed because you pretty much meet this threshold every single year. But in order to keep the the spirit of the competition, and maybe that's then maybe that turns into a plan conversation.
00:28:17
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Maybe that turns into the fourth spot for the Big Ten in the SEC as a plan, the third spot, or excuse me, the second spot in the ACC and the Big 12 as a plan, and then there's whatever. Like, I'm not a basketball, excuse me, I'm not a football expert, so I don't know how all that would shake out schedule-wise.
00:28:31
Jordan
And they they did discuss having a play game.
00:28:33
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But I'm like, it might have to be, like, a plan structure just might have to be what it is. And I will say, When the NFL started to switch over to that, it's not a plan, obviously, its but the wild card situation, it made it more fun. It made it more competitive because it's like, okay, you guys are right here on the cusp. You don't deserve to say just go home, but you still got to play for your spot.
00:28:55
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So I don't know because I feel like the guaranteed spots is not a great idea, but also the 5 plus 11, like I can't help but see that that just turns into ah Big Ten SEC Invitational every year.
00:29:05
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And then you kind of throw in a couple of, you know, the the guys who are just too good to ignore, but it's still going to be all Big Ten in the SEC.
00:29:06
Jordan
Yeah.
00:29:14
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So.
00:29:14
Jordan
Yeah, because i I fully believe, and it's not it don't get me wrong, it's not gonna be often, but I fully believe there's going to be a couple years where both the Big Ten and the SEC get six teams in.
00:29:24
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And that's. And.
00:29:26
Jordan
And they have 12 out of the 16. Yeah.
00:29:28
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16 spots. And that's fine if it's warranted. Because I do feel like the conversations got real disingenuous towards the end of the season last season where it was not warranted.
00:29:37
Jordan
Yes. SEC bunch of crybabies.
00:29:39
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Yeah, that's why I'm like, if it's warranted that the six teams that the Big Ten, that come out of the Big Ten and it's warranted, fine. It's six teams out of the SEC and it's warranted, fine. Don't fucking talk to me ah about a 9-3 South Carolina and why they deserve to be in over...
00:29:55
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insert G five team over here. Like, don't piss me off. That's 10 and two.
00:29:57
Jordan
Yeah, but I also think it's interesting, and this is what I think is going to happen.
00:29:58
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Don't piss me off.
00:30:01
Jordan
And here's the thing, right? Like, this is going to happen eventually to the Big Ten as well. Like, the Big Ten's up right now, but they won't be up forever.
00:30:08
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All the time. Yeah.
00:30:09
Jordan
The SEC is going to have a year where they get six teams in, and then they're almost all going to lose in the first round. That's what happened last year.
00:30:16
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Yes.
00:30:16
Jordan
The SEC got boxed.
00:30:17
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Yes.
00:30:18
Jordan
They got boxed, and they don't want to talk about what happened in the playoffs. They got boxed.
00:30:23
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Booted out of there.
00:30:25
Jordan
Like, was was there an SEC team in the Final Four?
00:30:26
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what
00:30:29
Jordan
Was Georgia in the Final Four?
00:30:29
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No, I don't wait, wait, wait, wait. Texas was right.
00:30:32
Jordan
ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boxed. But actually, that was a big game.
00:30:34
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But no, that was, yeah, it was, it was very competitive, but they were the last one left out of, excuse me.
00:30:35
Jordan
That was a good game. That was a good game. um
00:30:41
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We are recording.
00:30:45
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um
00:30:46
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But they were the last ones. let Actually, let me just pull it up. Hold on.
00:30:46
Jordan
I do need you to the pause.
00:30:48
Jordan
I do need you to pause.
00:30:50
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You do what?
00:30:51
Jordan
Pause.
00:30:53
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oh
00:30:54
Jordan
But that's how know you don't be listening to
00:30:54
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well, I do be listening. I'm just, anyways, we're back on air. Welcome back. Excuse Jordan. He had to handle his domestic duties as a husband. So that did not sound right.
00:31:04
Jordan
me.
00:31:05
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Hold on.
00:31:08
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Sorry. Anyways, welcome back. Okay. So what were you saying? What was, somebody was saying something.
00:31:13
Jordan
You were talking.
00:31:15
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Okay. So these, okay. So these numbers, cause I was looking at, I just pulled up the bracket. These numbers are based on playoff participants by conference. If it was a 16 team playoff.
00:31:26
Jordan
Yes.
00:31:27
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Okay, because I just looked at the bracket from last year, and the only two SEC teams I see are Texas, Tennessee,
00:31:36
Jordan
So, yeah, the SEC, yeah.
00:31:37
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and Georgia. And Georgia.
00:31:38
Jordan
So, the, the right, the SEC, according to last year, is the biggest beneficiary because all of their teams were at 14, 15, 16, which is why the Big Ten got four.
00:31:38
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Those are the three from last year.
00:31:49
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Yeah, yeah. Okay, because I was like, hold on.
00:31:51
Jordan
The Big Ten got four out of 12. But then between 12 and 17, they didn't have another player, another team. So they wouldn't have gotten anyone extra. But the SEC would have went from three to six because South Carolina would have gotten in, Ole Miss would have gotten in, and who's the last one?
00:32:00
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Yeah.
00:32:03
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Yeah. Okay.
00:32:07
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And Bama.
00:32:10
Jordan
It's not LSU.
00:32:10
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Bama would have gotten in.
00:32:11
Jordan
Bama would have gotten in, yeah.
00:32:12
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Yeah. Okay. Because I was like, hold on.
00:32:13
Jordan
And those are the teams that they were crying about.
00:32:15
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And they are, y'all are just going to be okay. You've got how many freaking championships? You'll be fine.
00:32:21
Jordan
God forbid you only got three teams in when all of your other teams were made and lost to freaking Vandy.
00:32:23
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Like, you're
00:32:27
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And then again, to that point, every single team got bounced out in the first round, literally except for Texas.
00:32:27
Jordan
And then it's just like, but no one respects...
00:32:31
Jordan
Yeah.
00:32:32
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Texas was the only one.
00:32:33
Jordan
Alabama lost to Michigan.
00:32:35
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00:32:36
Jordan
And the thing is, like I was like, oh, I was like, they lost to Michigan too. Right.
00:32:40
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Georgia got smacked up by Notre Dame.
00:32:40
Jordan
They did. And that was also embarrassing. But Alabama lost to Michigan without half of their players playing and most of Bama's team was playing. They got bullied.
00:32:52
Jordan
um Nobody respects Illinois. Illinois beat South Carolina. So it's not only did you not get into the playoffs, you lost to teams that weren't even being considered to the playoffs in bowl games.
00:33:01
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You should not have been lost losing to. Yeah.
00:33:04
Jordan
So it's just like,
00:33:06
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let's be Let's be for real.
00:33:06
Jordan
Yeah.
00:33:08
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less
00:33:08
Jordan
Okay. So do we have any final like conference-wide thoughts as we move on to other things about the 16-team playoff?
00:33:09
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Anyways.
00:33:16
Jordan
To talk about like individual teams?
00:33:16
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Um. I mean, as you know, i just I'm never a fan um' never a fan of the whole SEC supremacy thing. So we're just going to have to how this all turns out. Because, again, even with this being said, the conversation around the expanded playoffs seems to only benefit the SEC, realistically.
00:33:34
Jordan
And a Big Ten, but largely the SEC.
00:33:36
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i mean the big But the thing about the Big Ten, and I'm not even trying to be like –
00:33:37
Jordan
SEC more than...
00:33:40
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any type of way. The thing about the Big Ten, though, is that the Big Ten has teams that were contenders. that The Big Ten had a team in the championship this year.
00:33:49
Jordan
Right.
00:33:50
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So, like, no tea, no shade, no pink lemonade, but I was not saying anything about any of the Big Ten teams making it in because they actually were worth their salt. They were actually 10-2. They were actually 11-1. So, and they were beating real competition.
00:34:03
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They weren't getting smacked up by freaking Vanderbilt. And this is no shade to Vanderbilt, but I'm just saying
00:34:08
Jordan
But if you if you ask the SEC, they all were real competition, and the Big Ten doesn't play real competition.
00:34:14
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God, child.
00:34:16
Jordan
so And that's that's the thing. It's it's really stupid, right? and And I think the funniest thing is just, like, the world is cyclical. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it's never going to be this thing.
00:34:25
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Jordan.
00:34:26
Jordan
No, like, seriously. Like, if you look at these...
00:34:27
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Whenever you say other things, it's just so funny to me.
00:34:31
Jordan
I'm just saying, so like if you look if you look at these things, right, when this first started, okay, if we look at 2014 to 2017, and that four-year span, the Big Ten and the 16-team playoff would have had 15 teams in four years.
00:34:49
Jordan
The SEC would have had 11. So for four years, the Big Ten was better than the SEC. They had more teams.
00:34:58
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And even if you look at it from the 12-team playoff standpoint, I think the Big Ten still gets more teams in.
00:35:04
Jordan
Yes. So then, but if you look at the last four years, the Big Ten would have had 12 and the SEC would have had.
00:35:18
Jordan
this? 17? 17. So it's like go up and down.
00:35:22
Jordan
seventeen
00:35:24
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Yeah.
00:35:25
Jordan
so it's like you go up and down
00:35:26
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But again, if you're looking at it from a 12-team standpoint, the SEC goes down significantly.
00:35:29
Jordan
The Big Ten had more. Right. So it's just like it's it's one of these things where it's just like and this is the biggest problem that I have with the SEC. Yes. For most of the sports, you were dominant. Yes.
00:35:40
Jordan
You've won most of the championships. Yes. You have not been the most dominant conference the last three years.
00:35:46
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And that's also okay. Okay.
00:35:47
Jordan
And starting tomorrow, you may go on another legendary run. Like, it's just the SEC is not, and this wasn't supposed to be SEC complaining session, but the SEC is not allowing to the sport to evolve where it's just like, we weren't that good this year.
00:35:59
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Yeah.
00:36:03
Jordan
Get it together to be better next year.
00:36:03
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And that's okay. Because no one's saying you guys suck forever.
00:36:08
Jordan
Because they never, it's...
00:36:08
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it just But this is the problem. When you win too much, you forget that you forget that losing doesn't mean you suck. It just means that you lost. like It's okay.
00:36:15
Jordan
And, yeah.
00:36:16
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It is oh okay. Everybody needs to take deep, deep spiritual breaths. But that was my biggest issue. That's my last thought on the conferences, though.
00:36:24
Jordan
Be better.
00:36:24
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My biggest issue is that the SEC is now trying to strong arm the CFP situation into something where they always get what they want because they didn't get what they want last year.
00:36:25
Jordan
And... Yeah.
00:36:33
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Please, please. Spare me when these other teams are fighting for their fucking lives to get just to the playoffs, just to say, or even get to a new year six ball.
00:36:35
Jordan
be better
00:36:43
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Like let's go back fighting for their fucking lives just to get to these other levels. And you're over here complaining about how many spots you have in the playoffs. Cause you feel like you need to shut up.
00:36:54
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So anyways, that's all that's, that's all i have to say about the conferences, because again, to your point, let's say that if we go to the 16 teams, okay, this is, these are the numbers, but if we want to break it down up to the 12 team playoffs,
00:37:05
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The 12 team playoff to me was the best compromise. So I'm also kind of irritated that we're still even talking about how many teams we need to have in playoffs. But because to me, 12 teams is plenty. I think 12 teams is plenty because then it's going to get very all teams mattery up in here and all teams don't matter. Sorry. Get over it. All teams do not matter.
00:37:24
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Like there's got to be some damn competition up in here. So anyways,
00:37:32
Jordan
Agreed, 100%.
00:37:36
Jordan
So, yeah, you know, this is a...
00:37:39
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Angel just made a reverse layup. Oh my gosh. think I've ever seen her do that.
00:37:46
Jordan
Yeah, so, conferences, this is where we are.
00:37:46
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Sorry.
00:37:49
Jordan
So now we will switch a little bit and we'll go and we'll talk a little bit about teams. So, again, 11 years.
00:37:57
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Uh-huh.
00:37:57
Jordan
i want I want the people to think about this. I want them to guess... There are two teams that would have made the playoffs 11 out of 11 years. I will give you three awkward seconds of podcasting time to think about it in your head and then to guess, since obviously we can't hear you.
00:38:16
Jordan
Did you say Alabama and Ohio State?
00:38:18
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ah You better had at least Alabama.
00:38:20
Jordan
if you if you did if you didn't what honestly the thing is it's really Ohio State.
00:38:21
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Oh.
00:38:25
Jordan
In the 12-team playoff, there were years that Alabama didn't make it. And so, yeah, Ohio State is the – if it stopped at 12 – actually, I can look at this up.
00:38:29
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oh
00:38:34
Jordan
I have all the data.
00:38:35
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Wait a minute.
00:38:35
Jordan
If it stopped at 12 – go ahead.
00:38:36
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Hold on.
00:38:38
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The number of appearances based on 16 teams, is that what you said?
00:38:41
Jordan
Yes.
00:38:42
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Okay, go ahead, sorry.
00:38:43
Jordan
Yes. it So, if it stopped at 12, Ohio State's the only team that would have made it every year.
00:38:47
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Still would've. Yeah.
00:38:48
Jordan
Because it's expanded to 16, Alabama also joins that.
00:38:52
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Yeah.
00:38:54
Jordan
Now, this one is slightly harder. And again, you all can't see this, so I just want you to guess. There's one team who's made it nine times.
00:39:06
Jordan
There's two teams that's made it eight. I'll give you three awkward podcast seconds to guess. And you just have to hold yourself accountable on if you got it right.
00:39:16
Jordan
Nine is Georgia. I feel like some people would have guessed this, but they also may have guessed the next team that's eight. I think the next team that's eight, Clemson, they would have guessed.
00:39:24
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Clemson. Yeah.
00:39:27
Jordan
I don't think they would have guessed Oklahoma because I think people forget how good Oklahoma was in the beginning.
00:39:33
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At one point. Yeah.
00:39:33
Jordan
So I think they probably would have, if I said guess, they guessed four.
00:39:33
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Cause Oklahoma has been cheeks.
00:39:37
Jordan
I think people would have said Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson. I don't know if they would have gotten Oklahoma at eight.
00:39:43
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Well, cause if it was, if it, this is based on 16, right? So looking at what it was based on prior to that,
00:39:47
Jordan
Yes.
00:39:54
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Oklahoma's missing it a couple times so I wouldn't I probably wouldn't guess Oklahoma yeah actually hold on no Mary okay hold on Oklahoma yeah because they weren't even in the conversation in 2014 they weren't in they were in 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 actually 2020 they wouldn't have made it in 2021
00:39:56
Jordan
yeah
00:40:13
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twenty seventeen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen oh actually no twenty twenty they wouldn't have made it in twenty twenty one They would not have made it 2022. They would not have made it in 2023.
00:40:24
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And then they didn't make it last year. So, yeah, I wouldn't have guessed Oklahoma either because it's been the last couple years where it's like, you know, stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.
00:40:35
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Stick to the baseball the softball, whatever it is that they do.
00:40:36
Jordan
Look, you know? You know?
00:40:39
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The next three teams, four teams that have been in for been in seven times to me are extremely guessable.
00:40:41
Jordan
Four.
00:40:48
Jordan
I think maybe...
00:40:49
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Two of them at least.
00:40:50
Jordan
yeah. I really wish I didn't have this data and someone would have explain it to me so I could guess because I would love to know what I guess. But I do agree that they're probably largely guessable.
00:41:01
Jordan
So the next four that's tied. And so this would be so this is tied for one. This would be three. This is tied for four. So this is they're tied for the fifth most appearances.
00:41:12
Jordan
It's Michigan, Notre Dame, Oregon and Penn State.
00:41:15
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That's seven appearances each.
00:41:15
Jordan
And so part of Part of the reason we want to do this, right, is like, and this, DJ, this may be, you're going to learn a little bit of college football history as we talk about this. So the head coach at Notre Dame, Brian Kelly,
00:41:29
Jordan
is now the head coach at LSU. Brian Kelly is known for being one of the really good coaches, he but he he sort of has like a James Franklin kind of, maybe he might be a little bit more respected, maybe not, but he sort has like a James Franklin thing where it's like, you're good, you're always good, but you can never win the big one. He he almost he rarely made the 14th playoff.
00:41:51
Jordan
Does he leave? Do we get Marcus Freeman if it's been 16 teams and did he gets seven appearances? Or do they still ultimately become unhappy if he gets there seven times, but he doesn't win a national championship?
00:42:06
Jordan
How do we view James Franklin? Like we've always said, Penn State is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the expanded playoffs. How do we view James Franklin? If he gets in seven times, you have this extra thing.
00:42:19
Jordan
Or also, do they still reach the same point that they're at today, where but now the argument's different? Now it's you don't beat Ohio State and Michigan. Now it's you make the playoffs, but you don't win a national on championship.
00:42:29
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You don't win. Yeah.
00:42:31
Jordan
But the other thing is it's hard to say, of course, you can't project who would have won a national championship because in a 16-team playoff, the Alabama dynasty, they don't win all of those.
00:42:41
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Mm-hmm.
00:42:42
Jordan
they They won maybe six or something like that. I would say they probably won four. Like there's two of them they don't get.
00:42:46
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Mm-hmm.
00:42:47
Jordan
Ohio State probably gets one off of them. And then maybe Notre Dame, maybe Penn State, maybe Georgia has a third instead of only having two. Maybe Clemson has a third instead of only – like you don't know how it shakes out.
00:42:56
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Oh, we have two. Yeah.
00:42:58
Jordan
that's one of the benefits that I like about the exp expanded playoff is just get more games and with more games, there's more things that can happen. And while again, i don't think any, like, I'm sorry, right? When we talk about the expanded playoff, we're not talking about Iowa.
00:43:11
Jordan
But when we talk about this group of teams, instead of if you look at the last 11 years, who's won? Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State. That's four teams.
00:43:22
Jordan
If it's 16, you have the chance for someone of this group to have won, which is now Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, Oklahoma, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Penn State.
00:43:35
Jordan
So we just went from four teams four teams.
00:43:35
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yeah yeah.
00:43:38
Jordan
To potentially 10 teams, to potentially seven in in an 11-year period, instead of it essentially being four teams, maybe it's seven who's won.
00:43:45
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00:43:46
Jordan
Right? And so that's like when we talk about the expanded playoffs, I'm very adamant that, I'm sorry, this is not for Utah. This is not for Arizona. This is not for BYU. It's not for UCF. It's not for Iowa State. It's not for Oregon State.
00:44:02
Jordan
Who it is for, though, is Penn State. It is for Oregon. It is for Notre Dame. And so maybe some people are happier if those schools are winning and it's not just the Alabama, Georgia, Clemson invitation, right?
00:44:12
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The same old four schools. Yeah. Yeah. it's good It's boring. It's boring.
00:44:19
Jordan
Yeah.
00:44:19
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um But yeah, I... Yeah, that was a lot of data and that was a lot of numbers, but I was with you. Were y'all with him? Because I was with him. um I have nothing to say to that because you are absolutely correct.
00:44:32
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I feel like a lot of the years that especially Bama and Georgia won, it it could be arguable that there may have been other teams that could have you know, been competitive if it hadn't been for the fact that the playoff was only four teams.
00:44:48
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um But the next group is Florida State and Ole Miss with potentially five um appearances. They're still towards the bottom though. I don't think
00:45:02
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Like Florida State, I think their best year, they were like fifth, maybe. Or I guess in 2014, they actually made the playoffs. But um after that, they're pretty much down towards the bottom. So they would make it even in the 12-team playoffs. But really, a lot of this is really heavily based on it being 16 teams that they make it in five times.
00:45:21
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Same thing with Ole Miss. um The rest of the teams, I mean, at that point, it's – what am trying to say? At that point, it is about – Right place, right time.
00:45:33
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I hate to say it like that.
00:45:34
Jordan
Yes. Yeah. yeah
00:45:34
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But it is about, like, right place, right time, right? You know, you you peaked at the right time. Like, even with LSU, having potentially three appearances if it's a 16-team situation. But we also know with LSU, that's – I mean, when did they win the championship? 2019? That was probably – not probably. That was their best year because it would have to be 12 teams. And it would have to be 12-team playoffs any for the rest of these appearances to make sense.
00:45:58
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So – You know, that was definitely, like, where i take right right place, right time, the rest of these teams. But to your point, expanding the playoffs at least expands the parity amongst the top, which is, I think, what everybody wants.
00:46:10
Jordan
Yes.
00:46:12
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Like, Penn State should have won a championship by now, arguably. Notre Dame should have won a championship by now, arguably. So, Oregon, they're getting there.
00:46:22
Jordan
Yeah. I think the thing, one of the things that's interesting about looking at these teams, in my opinion, right, is Texas only has three appearances and um two of them are the last two years
00:46:31
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three
00:46:39
Jordan
where they made it no matter what. Because this year they made the 12th. The year before that, they made the four.
00:46:44
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who
00:46:44
Jordan
And then when did they make? When's the third time? they made
00:46:48
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It would have been if it's 16 in 2018. Because they
00:46:54
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because i would have been 15.
00:46:56
Jordan
Yeah, and then it's 2018. So that just shows how bad Texas has been. but like I also like looking at this because like you can say like Texas has been bad, right? But to say if there were 16 teams in the playoff and Texas only would have gotten in three times,
00:47:12
Jordan
And two of them were the last two years with a new coach.
00:47:14
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More the last two years? Yeah.
00:47:16
Jordan
It's like,
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00:47:17
Jordan
that's why it's also nice, like where you expand, because it gives you more data, right? To say, miss man wow, Michigan State would have made the playoffs more times than Texas. Who would have bet that?
00:47:28
Jordan
Michigan State would have made the playoffs more times than USC.
00:47:28
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Michigan State.
00:47:32
Jordan
Who would have bet that? Like maybe you maybe you know, right?
00:47:33
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Yeah.
00:47:35
Jordan
Because you're really into college football and you're really paying attention. But if... I told you in 2014 that 11-year, 16 teams, like, just projecting, just letting you know, I have a crystal ball. This is what's going to happen.
00:47:49
Jordan
You wouldn't – no one would believe it. And that's the other thing that I think that's interesting and that I like doing this. But then you also get, like, random teams, right? Like, Oregon State makes it. SMU made it last year.
00:48:01
Jordan
Tulane gets in.
00:48:01
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Coastal Carolina would have had one.
00:48:03
Jordan
Coastal Carolina gets in. Western Michigan gets in, right?
00:48:06
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Yeah.
00:48:07
Jordan
Arizona and Arizona State both get in twice, right?
00:48:09
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Tulane.
00:48:10
Jordan
Wisconsin gets in three times. Boise, BYU is in. Indiana's in twice.
00:48:14
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Yeah.
00:48:15
Jordan
Kansas State. And so that's the other, like i always talk about, because I love college football, and so I always talk about the things that um the things that I enjoy the most about college football is And the thing that I think people forget the most is that they're kids.
00:48:32
Jordan
And so even if, like, not, like, we need to stop viewing the sport from the lens of a championship because there are so many cool things that you get in bowl games.
00:48:42
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So much more that goes with it.
00:48:43
Jordan
i don't I don't know if bowl games are cool anymore.
00:48:43
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Yeah.
00:48:45
Jordan
this is an old example. I love this example. But I remember when I was in college, Ohio State went to the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl, and they all got PS4s.
00:48:53
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They still do that. They did it as Hawaii Bowl.
00:48:54
Jordan
Like, yeah. So like they you the the title sponsor typically gives you something, right?
00:49:00
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Mm-hmm.
00:49:00
Jordan
And so like, or or for a lot of players, like Kent State went to a bowl game. They went to the Jamaica Bowl, believe it is. So Kent State, the school paid for all the players to get passports.
00:49:11
Jordan
You have 100 black kids who got a free passport just by playing football, right?
00:49:15
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Yeah. They went.
00:49:15
Jordan
Who also get new clothes, whose family, like they pay for the families to go.
00:49:16
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Yeah.
00:49:20
Jordan
So you're also giving your family a vacation to go to, and ah not all of the sites are cool, but like to go to Jamaica, to go to Arizona, to go to Florida, to go to all these places.
00:49:31
Jordan
And so the other thing with this is like, yeah, maybe TCU never wins a championship, but you have three separate TCU teams that for the rest of their life get to sell their kids and their family that they went to the playoffs and that they got to play whoever.
00:49:42
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they went yeah
00:49:45
Jordan
And maybe they upset someone. I mean, TCU was literally just in the national championship.
00:49:49
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Two years ago.
00:49:50
Jordan
They didn't win.
00:49:50
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And that's the thing that – I'm agreeing with you.
00:49:50
Jordan
it Does that good?
00:49:54
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That's all. I'm like, it this stuff matters. Like, it matters so much more before you even get to the championship. Like, it matters. Because even still, like, even on the professional – even on the professional level, making the playoffs is enough.
00:50:02
Jordan
Yep.
00:50:09
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Not that it's enough in that it makes you, like, these – what am I trying to say? Not that it's enough in the sense that, like, oh, it's –
00:50:17
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No, I'm correct. Making the playoffs puts you in the upper echelon, right? Whether you want a championship or not is moot. it Making the playoffs puts in the upper echelon. put Making the playoffs makes you a team to watch. Making the playoffs makes you a team, a destination team that teams want that recruits want to play on. Things like that. Like, it's it's good. It's good for the brand.
00:50:35
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So it's like expanding the playoffs is so much more than just like championships. You know what i mean? It's about a lot of things. Like, I agree with you. Because even on the professional level, like, you can't take you can't take away the fact that the Warriors made the playoffs.
00:50:51
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No, they didn't make it far. But you can't take that away. They were there.
00:50:55
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You know?
00:50:55
Jordan
Yep.
00:50:56
Jordan
And I, you know, maybe one day we'll get big on this platform. Maybe we won't. But the one thing that I'll always stand by is we it's 130 teams. And State fan. and i i'm an ohio state fan I get it. And I think that helped me, but I also went to Kent State.
00:51:12
Jordan
So like the teams that I'm the direct opposite of the two teams that I like to follow, but I think we get, even us having this conversation, I want to reiterate, like the playoff is good.
00:51:24
Jordan
The playoff is not only about the national championship. Indiana could be ass next year. And they're not going to be, to be clear, they're not going to be, but you can't take the memories away from those kids. And those and also you have to remember the college students You can't take the memory away from those college students who got to watch Indiana win 10 games and make it to the playoffs.
00:51:40
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The students. Oh my gosh.
00:51:45
Jordan
Like college football is so much more than wins in national championship. but It's not the NFL where there's only 32 teams and you have to win a Super Bowl. It's not the NBA where there's 30 teams. There's 130. Not every team has the same goal.
00:52:01
Jordan
They just don't.
00:52:01
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Mm-hmm.
00:52:02
Jordan
Kent's goal is not the same as Ohio State's. Indiana's goal is not the same as Ohio State's.
00:52:07
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Mm-hmm.
00:52:07
Jordan
There's a person that listened to this podcast. who's an Ohio State fan and an Indiana fan. And i talk we talk a lot, and he was the perfect example of like, man, fuck it. Indiana's good. Like, great.
00:52:22
Jordan
And then Ohio State, like, doesn't beat a team by 50 points. And he's like, God, that was awful. And so it's like Indiana losing the first round, and it's amazing.
00:52:28
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Being
00:52:31
Jordan
But if Ohio State wouldn't have made one won the national championship, he would have been disappointed.
00:52:32
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yeah
00:52:35
Jordan
And so looking at these two things, just two different fan bases, you can – want different things and like super happy where Indiana is.
00:52:42
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yeah
00:52:43
Jordan
Of course it would have been great if Indiana won a national championship, but you can't tell him or anyone else that Indiana making the playoffs wasn't one of the best seasons of their lives while he's also rooting for Ohio state to win a national championship.
00:52:56
Jordan
So you can be happy for Indiana winning 10 games and be mad that Ohio state won 11, but lost to Michigan.
00:52:56
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being
00:53:02
Jordan
Like the sport is just not the same. It's just not even in conferences.
00:53:06
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Yeah.
00:53:08
Jordan
And so I want us to remember that it would be great if Iowa made the playoffs three times. It would be great if Arizona made the playoffs two times in 11 years, Cincinnati two times in 11 years, Stanford two times in 11 years, UNC, West Virginia, coasta Colorado, Georgia Tech, Houston. Like, we have to stop just looking at the sport as only –
00:53:34
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national championships yeah i mean it's also i am always a fan of more games
00:53:35
Jordan
as only national championships And that's why I'm also a fan of expanding the playoffs, because it's just so much more experience for the players and for the fans and just another thing to be happy about. And honestly, to be selfish, that's another thing for us on these podcasts to talk about.
00:53:59
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I am always going to be a proponent of more games. But I mean, at the end of the day, to your point, i'm I experienced that at SMU this last year. We were booty cheeks and dust.
00:54:10
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I was even saying throughout our preview shows, throughout the beginning of the season, how much I was not sure about SMU. I did not get on the train until we won, I think, like eight games. I was not sure about SMU.
00:54:21
Jordan
Yeah. i was like I was like, you see SMU?
00:54:22
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I was...
00:54:24
Jordan
And he was like, shut up.
00:54:26
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I was like, i'm I'm watching.
00:54:26
Jordan
We done nothing yet.
00:54:27
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I'm there.
00:54:27
Jordan
I'm like, damn.
00:54:27
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i was there for most of the games. And because, but because SMU football has disappointed me for so many years that I was just kind of like, listen, I'm glad that we're winning.
00:54:30
Jordan
I'm more excited than you are. He was like, but we might blow it. Yeah.
00:54:39
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I'm glad that everybody's happy because that was making my job at the alumni office a lot easier. Real easy to get people to volunteer when we're winning football.
00:54:46
Jordan
You're winning?
00:54:47
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it's real easy to get them to throw watch parties when we're winning, right?
00:54:47
Jordan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:50
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So it made my job actually easier, but It was so important. It was so important. Like so many conversations that I was having with alums, so many conversations that I was having just in passing with other staff or other faculty or whatever.
00:55:06
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how important this was to us, that we were doing well. Us making the playoffs truly was just a cherry on top. It was important that we were doing well, that we were winning games, that we're selling out our home games for the first time ever, that we are, like, that was so important.
00:55:14
Jordan
Yes. Yeah. Yes.
00:55:21
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And it was important to the students. It was important to the alums. It was important to the fundraisers. It was important importance to the boosters. It was important to the brand. It was important. It was important. Like, no, okay, we got bounced out of the first round, got our asses kicked because we thought we were tough and didn't put no damn sweaters on, but that's not the point.
00:55:37
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It was important. And us making the college football playoffs was important.
00:55:39
Jordan
yeah
00:55:41
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We have commemorative blankets that only like 200 people got because we made it.
00:55:42
Jordan
yes
00:55:45
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We were there. We were in the building.
00:55:47
Jordan
Yes.
00:55:47
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We sold out our tailgate. We we had to start turning people away because we didn't have enough space to accommodate everybody at the tailgate at a game where we got our asses clapped. But at the end of the day, every single person walked away from that, even with us losing, every single person walked away and was like, I was just happy that we were here.
00:56:03
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I'm just happy that we are in the conversation now. I'm happy that X, Y, Z, you know what i'm saying? That's important. That's important.
00:56:10
Jordan
yes
00:56:11
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Like it's, that's what matters.
00:56:11
Jordan
and it
00:56:13
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Like this is so like college football is, is, is so much more than, than national championships. It matters. if Those matter. It's cool. It's great to have the trophies and to, and to have those and the conference championship trophies and all of that.
00:56:23
Jordan
Absolutely. Of course.
00:56:26
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Duh,
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00:56:27
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there's a hierarchy to everything, but like,
00:56:28
Jordan
But also, while you finish, conference championships matter. Again, i don't know how.
00:56:33
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Oh yeah, they matter. Yes, they matter.
00:56:33
Jordan
i know No, no, no. I'm not saying you're not saying that, but people are acting like they don't matter. People are saying you should get rid of conference championship games for the playoffs.
00:56:39
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Yeah.
00:56:41
Jordan
Ask any Ohio State fan how happy they are that Ohio State hasn't won the Big Ten in five years.
00:56:46
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Yeah, like, that's crazy.
00:56:47
Jordan
We just won a national championship, and I'm still sitting here thinking, we have to win the Big Ten next year.
00:56:53
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No.
00:56:53
Jordan
Ohio State can't be a school that does not win.
00:56:53
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It was very upsetting that we did not win the ACC. That was very upsetting. Like...
00:56:57
Jordan
Right, and so it's like, that also matters. Like, like you like Penn State didn't make it to the national...
00:57:00
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Yeah. We almost didn't get our playoff spot.
00:57:03
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Like...
00:57:03
Jordan
Yeah, like Penn State didn't make it to the national championship.
00:57:06
Jordan
And I bet you they're still upset that they also didn't beat Oregon. They feel like they should have beat Oregon. Oregon fans who like to talk shit about Ohio State fans and other things, they're on and they're on social media talking about, we won the Big Ten more recently than you.
00:57:19
Jordan
Like, all of these things matter. Bowl games matter. Conference championships matter. ah New York six games matter. The playoff matters. Like it does. It matters to the students.
00:57:29
Jordan
It matters to the fans. It matters to which we don't talk about often, but the business of sports, like it, it, it matters for donors, for recruits.
00:57:34
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The business, yes.
00:57:38
Jordan
Like all of these things are important. And that is why I'm pro expanse. Also, just want to watch the games. Like, like,
00:57:44
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That's saying, more games. Like, who's against more games? Like, please, I am never going to be an advocate that we don't need more games. Like, I'm always going to be happy about more games. So whether it's 12, 14, 16, whatever the hell, whatever they come up with, whatever formula...
00:57:57
Jordan
Now, if we got like 24, all right, come on.
00:58:00
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All right, we're doing a lot. Again, because is this is not an all-sports-matter moment, okay?
00:58:04
Jordan
Yes.
00:58:05
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Kaitlyn Clark and Nafisa Collier have been officially named the captains of the two all-star teams for the WNBA. But um anyways, yeah, I'm never going to be against more games. But again, this is not all football matters. This is not that. This is not everybody gets a spot, so don't piss me off.
00:58:24
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It still needs to be like a level of competition to everything.
00:58:27
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um I do think that 16 teams would have to be the absolute most.
00:58:27
Jordan
Yep.
00:58:32
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But I'm surprised at – yeah, but I'm surprised at how long it went on with it just being four.
00:58:32
Jordan
I agree.
00:58:32
Jordan
I don't want to see more than 16, yeah.
00:58:38
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um I'm surprised at that. So – because –
00:58:39
Jordan
Truly.
00:58:42
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Realistically, it should have expanded to 12 probably just about 10 years ago.
00:58:46
Jordan
And honestly, they it should have been 12 immediately, but they were scared.
00:58:46
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But...
00:58:49
Jordan
ah like I don't remember all the politics around it, but they thought that people would hate the playoffs, basically.
00:58:49
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Yeah.
00:58:54
Jordan
They didn't think it would do well. And so like they made it four instead of eight or 12, which they wanted to do initially.
00:58:56
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Yeah.
00:59:01
Jordan
And then I think with some... My theory is that the sport was just in chaos with conference realignment and the pandemic and like that sort of stuff, that it just never got serious consideration.
00:59:08
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yeah
00:59:13
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Yeah, which is for as long as it has been.
00:59:13
Jordan
Because it definitely should not have been four for ten years.
00:59:17
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So I'm like, even if it stays at 12, I feel fed. I feel um because again, SMU is not making it in if it's not a 12 team playoff.
00:59:21
Jordan
Yeah.
00:59:25
Jordan
Uh-uh.
00:59:25
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Like a lot of these other teams that we've already mentioned are making it in if it's not a 12 team playoff and then even more so if it's 16. sixteen So I just feel like do what's good for the sport, do what's good for the brands, do what's good for it. And again, we should talk about the business of sports.
00:59:39
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That's bigger TV distro deals. That's more commercials. That's more, I mean, that's more money that the conference stands to make from appearances that that's, it's more money for everybody.
00:59:48
Jordan
With revenue share now, that's more money than Yes.
00:59:50
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It's more revenue to share because these like, this is, if we're going to end this NIL era, y'all could benefit from having some more games.
00:59:51
Jordan
Yep. So...
00:59:59
Jordan
yes
00:59:59
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So
01:00:00
Jordan
yep um so that is the That is the playoff post-mortem. That is the the look at look behind of the 16-team playoffs.
01:00:12
Jordan
We have no idea when it's going to be 16 teams, but it is almost guaranteed.
01:00:15
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It will be 12 in 2025.
01:00:17
Jordan
Yes, it is almost guaranteed to be 16. And I do, <unk>t i hope I'm not wrong about this. I do think they approved straight seeding for 2025. I think that was already announced.
01:00:28
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That was on the table.
01:00:30
Jordan
Right, but...
01:00:30
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That was on the table. I do not know if it was approved, hopefully it was because the the seating does get a little convoluted um but i guess we can look at are you looking it up okay um but yes we're talking obviously futuristically if y'all didn't catch that this is like earliest that this could possibly happen is the 2026 season so 2025 is still going to be our regularly scheduled programming i am very interested
01:00:40
Jordan
Yeah.
01:00:54
Jordan
It will be straight seating. I thought so, but yeah.
01:00:55
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Okay, and it will be straight seating. um What about these bowl games? this Is it going to operate the same way? These bowl games like Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl is going to be semifinal. We got to figure that out as well.
01:01:04
Jordan
that's That's a good question, and that's a perfect way to end the show, and that we don't know, but we can say what we want. And I think it needs to be – they need to get rid of the Bulls.
01:01:16
Jordan
Like, not totally, but they need to be out of they need to be out of the playoffs.
01:01:16
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Oh. Okay.
01:01:20
Jordan
So in a 16-team playoff, it's going to be four rounds, I think.
01:01:20
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Okay.
01:01:25
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Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
01:01:27
Jordan
And so basically – I'm even going to count the rounds.
01:01:28
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yeah
01:01:29
Jordan
It doesn't matter. In my opinion, the – the
01:01:36
Jordan
And my ideal, right, the national championship would be on New Year's. So that would always be the Rose Bowl.
01:01:44
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yeah
01:01:46
Jordan
You can say whatever you want to. You can call it unfair. You can say whatever you want to. I think it should always be the Rose Bowl. Also, just because i can't get it out of my system, i am a higher education professional. This season does not need to be going to the middle of January.
01:01:59
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Yes, we know.
01:02:00
Jordan
it ends on January 1st, 1st, they get two weeks at home for most schools with their family before they go back to school.
01:02:00
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Yes, yes, yes.
01:02:09
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Yes.
01:02:09
Jordan
Since it's not going to do that, I think however the calendar works, the the semifinals can be bowl games.
01:02:19
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Which I believe that was what happened this time.
01:02:21
Jordan
This year.
01:02:21
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Well, both the quarterfinals and the semifinals were, yeah.
01:02:22
Jordan
Well, they were all bowl games this year. Right. The first two rounds need to be on campus. So this year, the first round was on campus, and the second round wasn't, and that also messed up the schedule. In my opinion, the first two rounds need to be on campus.
01:02:35
Jordan
And then however you want to intermix the bowl games after that, that's fine. like you can like Basically, the New Year's Six Bowl games are the ones that's going to stay. The Peace Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Rose Bowl, the...
01:02:47
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Cotton Fiesta sugar.
01:02:48
Jordan
And Fiesta Sugar, yes. Those will stay. Those can mix in the fight. and And honestly, what I would do is I would do... Do you know how it works? Do you know how the 14 playoff worked with the Bulls?
01:03:01
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No, I want the work that bowls like qualifiers basically like that's how you got in.
01:03:02
Jordan
So the 14...
01:03:04
Jordan
Sort of. So the bowls in the 14th playoff, there's three games, right? There's six bowl games.
01:03:09
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hmm.
01:03:11
Jordan
So essentially they alternated where I don't know exactly how they did it, but every year three teams, like they would get it right. They would do um two bowls, would get the quarterfinals and then one would get the championship and it would rotate so that every, however worked every six years, they all got, they all,
01:03:25
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Okay.
01:03:29
Jordan
got a semifinal and a championship, however That's what I would do.
01:03:33
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Yeah.
01:03:34
Jordan
The last three games, you have six teams. The last three games are bowl games. And you just keep the same rotation that you had for the four-team playoff, but all the other rounds are on campus.
01:03:48
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But weren't the bowls also like, um, conference associated? Some of them?
01:03:53
Jordan
not So they were when they weren't in the playoff.
01:03:57
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Okay.
01:03:57
Jordan
So, like, for example, the Rose Bowl. So the Rose Bowl is ah Big Ten Pac-12 thing. So when the Rose Bowl was in the playoff, it couldn't do that.
01:04:05
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Right.
01:04:09
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Correct.
01:04:10
Jordan
what they now But what they would do, though, is in let's say oh the Rose Bowl was a quarterfinal game. Was it, right? Was a semifinal game.
01:04:17
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Yes. No, it was the quarterfinal.
01:04:19
Jordan
If Ohio's...
01:04:19
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It was Ohio, Oregon.
01:04:20
Jordan
No, no, no, I'm sorry.
01:04:21
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Ohio State, Oregon.
01:04:21
Jordan
I'm talking about... And yeah, so the way it worked previously is the highest rated team would go to the bowl closest to them if it was in.
01:04:23
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Prior. Okay. Okay.
01:04:35
Jordan
So, for example, if the Rose Bowl was a semifinal game and Ohio State was the number one seed, they would go to the Rose Bowl. So they tried to tie it like that, where, like, if it was possible, if you were the highest seeded and you had a bow tie and that year came up, they would do that.
01:04:46
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Okay.
01:04:53
Jordan
But they were much looser with the rules because if Ohio, like, if a Big Ten team didn't make it, you still had to go to the Rose Bowl.
01:05:05
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I'm computing. ah Okay. That doesn't make sense, but okay.
01:05:09
Jordan
but Basically, they when they were in the playoffs, They no longer the conferences no longer mattered. But if they could make it work, they would.
01:05:21
Jordan
Does that does that make it easier?
01:05:23
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Sure.
01:05:23
Jordan
It wasn't mandatory, but if they could make it work, they would.
01:05:26
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They would. Okay. So, cause I was like, I was reading about it and it was like certain, but like the bowl game structure is inevitably going to change because of like conference ties.
01:05:34
Jordan
Right.
01:05:36
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so I'm kind of like, okay. To me, I'm like, I didn't hate the way it was done last year. Like I didn't hate it.
01:05:43
Jordan
I did. The second round should have been on campus.
01:05:44
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didn't. I do believe that there should have been more games on campus. um But with the way that the 12-team playoff, like, worked out, it made the most sense for the quarterfinals to be the to be four bowls and then the semis to be two and then the championship just to be the championship. Like, that made sense to me.
01:06:03
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But if it's going to expand to 16, then you at least have the ability to do, like, kind of what you said and spread them. Not spread them, but, like, Essentially, you know what i'm saying?
01:06:12
Jordan
Yeah.
01:06:13
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So I don't know because am not a bowl game historian, but that's going to be really like interesting how they how they work that out, because there's so much history associated with these bowls, too.
01:06:23
Jordan
Yeah, and and honestly, like, if you...
01:06:26
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Like, you know, so I don't know.
01:06:29
Jordan
Yeah, if you if ultimately that's how it did that's how it works out, sure. But I think the reason why I'm so adamant that I think the first two rounds should be on campus is, like, Oregon was the number one seed or whatever they were.
01:06:47
Jordan
and they played Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, they didn't get to host a game on campus, right?
01:06:51
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Yeah, yeah, I agree.
01:06:51
Jordan
And as an ohio as an Ohio State fan, we got to host a game on campus, but it was cause it was a bad year.
01:06:57
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Yeah.
01:06:57
Jordan
More years than not, Ohio State is not going have a low enough seed to host a game on campus. So you're robbing the teams that are good, Ohio State, Georgia, Penn State, Oregon, like those teams, whatever year, you're robbing them a chance this year.
01:07:02
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Yeah.
01:07:08
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It was Georgia, Boise, Oregon, and Arizona State that did not get to host a game.
01:07:12
Jordan
And what why didn't why didn't Georgia georgia why didn't georgia get to play?
01:07:12
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Yeah.
01:07:17
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Yeah.
01:07:17
Jordan
umcamp
01:07:17
Jordan
Why didn't Oregon get to play?
01:07:18
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Yeah.
01:07:19
Jordan
That's my thing. That's why I want the first two rounds so that everyone gets a chance, even if you get a bye, to play a game on campus.
01:07:27
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I agree. I think that's it i think that makes sense.
01:07:28
Jordan
And then do the bowl games. And that's why I think the way it works is the bowl games only can work if they're the final game. three games. but And that's the thing. They legitimately already have the system in place for the 14 playoff.
01:07:42
Jordan
There's already a rotation. It's already determined. Just keep that and then put the other games on campus. But because they did it differently, right, but they alternated.
01:07:50
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But doesn't that eliminate some of the bowls? Because there's six bowls.
01:07:58
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But they all happen every...
01:07:58
Jordan
So the Bulls always, yes, they always happened, but they weren't always in the playoff.
01:08:04
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Okay. Okay. Yes.
01:08:05
Jordan
So the bowls will always happen, but they won't always be playoff games.
01:08:05
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I'm caught up now. Yes. I am caught up now. Yes. Okay. So you're basically saying do the same thing, pick the three bowls, have it rotate however it needs to rotate for them to be basically semifinal games and then the championship game.
01:08:10
Jordan
And so.
01:08:15
Jordan
Right.
01:08:18
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And then yes. Okay.
01:08:20
Jordan
Everything else on campus, yes.
01:08:20
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Yes. Yes. Everything else is on campus. I agree. I do think that it was not most the most fun that some teams that could have benefited from hosting games did not um get to do that. So yes, I agree.
01:08:34
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um But we'll just have to see what they decide on that.
01:08:36
Jordan
Yeah. And ultimately, the only thing that we know is it will change. We don't know how, but it it does have to change.
01:08:41
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They said, yeah, they said this year is the only year that is going to be structured like that. Yeah, yeah.
01:08:44
Jordan
Yeah. the bulls like And the bowl contract is up as well, so there will be some changes with that.
01:08:48
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Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah.
01:08:50
Jordan
We just don't know exactly how. The bowls will be fighting for their life, and the teams will be fighting for more control, and we'll ultimately see what they end So, yeah, absolutely.
01:08:59
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Good times.
Season Preview & Social Media Promotion
01:09:01
Jordan
Do we have any final thoughts on... the the history of the 16-team playoff, if it existed, or what we're hoping to see in the future.
01:09:12
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We are now, what, nine Saturdays away. I believe it's nine, maybe eight Saturdays away from college football.
01:09:23
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So everybody get... Gird your loins and get excited because we are about to start previewing all of these conferences, all these teams. We're going be getting all up in their business and talking about what we think is going to happen. So I'm really excited about that because now I have one year college football under my belt. So we'll see um if that is going to be doing me any good.
01:09:44
Jordan
It will. It'll help.
01:09:45
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But um yeah, it does going to be really interesting. Whatever decision is made, we're getting more games. So I'm thrilled personally.
01:09:52
Jordan
Thank you. I have nothing to say. That's the first way to end the show. Whatever decisions made, we're getting more games. So, as always, thank you for listening. We will catch you next week.
01:10:03
Jordan
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01:10:46
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