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Power Two Podcast: Can James Franklin win a National Championship? + More Questions for the 2025 College Football Season
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The 2025 College Football Season is around the corner, meaning it's officially preview season! To begin preview season, we ask ten questions that will define the upcoming season. Can James Franklin get over the hump and win a national championship? Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and Notre Dame all have first-year starters - which quarterback will lead his team the farthest, and who struggles to adjust to college football? We ask these questions and more!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Network Affiliation
00:00:10
Jordan
What's good everybody? Welcome in to a pre-recorded episode of Cape Defensive Sports Network Power 2 Podcast. That's what it is.
00:00:18
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Period.
00:00:18
Jordan
That's what it is. That is who we are. My name is Jordan. As always, I'm your host. i'm here with my co-host DJ. How you living?
00:00:27
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You know, I'm good. I'm chilling. I've seen a lot of you in the last two days.
00:00:33
Jordan
Lucky you. Blessed. Oh, to be so blessed.
00:00:36
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You are lucky to be in my presence, but okay.
00:00:41
Jordan
Oh, to be so blessed.
00:00:43
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Anyways.
Preview Season Introduction
00:00:44
Jordan
We're here to discuss the power of preview season, because as you listen to this podcast, it is the first technically podcast of our 2025 college football season preview.
00:01:04
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It is here.
00:01:05
Jordan
The week after this, we will have real conferences and teams to talk about. It's crazy.
00:01:14
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I'm not well. like And it's it's interesting because it's also a little bit like of like a like, oh, that means we're about to hit our one year. Like on the show too, because when we started the show, we started during doing previews. I believe we started a week from the week that this episode comes out, if I'm not mistaken.
00:01:32
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so Or something like that.
00:01:33
Jordan
Probably.
00:01:34
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Or it might be like exactly on the, it might've been on this week.
00:01:35
Jordan
No, it may have been this week because I don't think our first episode, I think our first episode was a questions episode and then we went into the preview.
00:01:39
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Yeah. Yeah. It was a mid July moment.
00:01:42
Jordan
So, yeah.
00:01:43
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So it's like, oh my God, ew. Like we are about to complete a full cycle. This is so cute. I love this for us.
00:01:51
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Anyways.
00:01:52
Jordan
Yeah.
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So
10 Questions for the 2025 College Football Season
00:01:53
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today we are going to be very, very general with our preview. We have 10 questions for the 2025 season. And when I say we, I mean, I have seven and Jordan has excuse me, Jordan has seven and I have three.
00:02:06
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So, um,
00:02:07
Jordan
See, not too lying. And also, you have two.
00:02:11
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I have three.
00:02:12
Jordan
I deleted one. Oh my god!
00:02:18
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i have three.
00:02:23
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Number two is mine. Number 10 is mine. And number eight is mine.
00:02:33
Jordan
Am I here?
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Yes, you are ah still with us.
00:02:36
Jordan
Because I think it like no but it literally said i was offline again.
00:02:41
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No, yeah, you were for a second, but you're back now.
00:02:44
Jordan
are you sure number two is yours?
00:02:46
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Number two is definitely mine. Yes. I just wrote it an hour ago. It's mine. i just stuck it in at number two because number three was was number two. I stuck it in at number two because it's more relevant to number one.
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And then number eight is mine and number 10 is mine.
00:03:08
Get Defensive Sports Network
I'm sit and claim questions. Listen, you're the college football expert. So when you think about it, my questions are more general. You see how specific your questions are? My questions are not that specific. That's how you know they're mine.
00:03:20
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Anyways, it doesn't matter. Let's start with question numero uno, shall we?
00:03:25
Jordan
Oh, oh no. Also, I looked because I wanted to. Our first episode was 2024. topic victim
00:03:33
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Oh my God. So we're a week from when this episode comes out.
00:03:35
Jordan
one
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long Okay. So then we'll at least be able to react in real time. How cute we are with our one year anniversary. I love that for us.
00:03:40
Jordan
No, not doing that. No, no, no.
00:03:41
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Yes, we are.
00:03:42
Jordan
10 questions.
00:03:43
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We're going to be sentimental on this podcast. Damn it. I don't care. We're going to be sentimental.
00:03:50
Jordan
If I fell off tomorrow, would you still love me? If I smell so good, would you still hug me?
00:03:53
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no, no.
00:03:56
Jordan
If I got locked up and sentenced to a quarter century, would you be there to support me mentally?
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That's probably the last thing I would do.
00:04:03
Jordan
If I went from a hoopty, if I went from a bands to a hoopty, would you prove it disappeared? Like, some of I messed that line But it doesn't matter.
00:04:10
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Okay, so we don't know the lyrics to the song. Anyway.
00:04:11
Jordan
No, no, I know. Hey, don't play with me. I asked 21 questions right now, including the freaky ones, because this is our podcast.
00:04:23
Jordan
I don't know why he was being freaky in the middle of 21 questions, but you know what I'm saying? Don't don't tell me. Don't tell me. i don't know the lyrics. We'll do it right now, and I'll do mini-min right after that.
00:04:32
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I'm sure you can't.
00:04:33
Jordan
Anyways, 10 questions.
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I'm just saying it's 50 Cent.
00:04:34
Jordan
Hey,
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He also said he was in the back of the club, fucking didn't he? isn't that what he said on birthday?
00:04:38
Jordan
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. 10 questions.
00:04:40
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That's I'm saying. It's 50 Cent. That man is unhinged.
00:04:41
Jordan
questions Not 21, not 50, not cent, not cent.
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ten 10.
00:04:47
Jordan
questions for thee
National Championship Contenders Discussion
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Jordan.
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Jordan
twentyt twentyfive
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Jordan
season
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The first question being, because, you know, in in college football culture, I've noticed, we just love talking about shit way entirely too early. So let's start with our early predictions for who will make the second iteration of the 12-team playoff.
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You go first.
00:05:13
Jordan
I don't like that question. And it's my question. I want to delete it.
00:05:17
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Why do you want to delete it?
00:05:19
Jordan
Because in four weeks, we're going actually have an answer to this because we have to do our conference previews and we're going to pick everyone.
00:05:20
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We're already here.
00:05:29
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Yeah, but this is like off the top. This not off the top because I definitely did some research, obviously, because I'm not a college football expert. But this not, this is like, just like, what are the vibes? Like, what do we feel? Before we get all into deep into the numbers and the information and the data, what are the vibes?
00:05:42
Jordan
We doing vibes. We doing vibes.
00:05:44
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We're going off of vibes. I'm, that's what I'm going off of today.
00:05:46
Jordan
Ohio State.
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I'm so sorry. I'm going off of vibes. um I can name a, wait, wait.
00:05:50
Jordan
let's Let's go back and forth. I name one, you name one. Ohio State.
00:05:54
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So we're going when we go back and forth, we're going to end up with the 12. So you name six, I name six.
00:05:58
Jordan
Yes.
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Okay, Ohio State, well duh, Penn State.
00:06:02
Jordan
Texas.
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I think Bama's gonna make it in this time.
00:06:07
Jordan
Ah, OK. Georgia.
00:06:11
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Oregon.
00:06:12
Jordan
Oof, that's a good one. All right. Now we're getting down to the nitty-gritty. Who else? Who else? that' So we have three from the Big Ten, three from the SEC, which means we also have to do other conferences.
00:06:27
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We gotta do some Big 12.
00:06:29
Jordan
Yeah, man.
00:06:30
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From the Big 12, go ahead.
00:06:31
Jordan
I'm going to do – it's my turn. going to do – I hate to say it, but I'm going to Clemson.
00:06:36
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That's ACC, but yeah.
00:06:36
Jordan
They're going to make it.
00:06:37
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Okay. I think Clemson can do it. Okay, actually, Notre Dame.
00:06:42
Jordan
Okay, so I guess I'll do the Big 12 again. i do that i guess I'll do the Big 12 now. Do I believe in Arizona State again? do I want to believe in Baylor?
00:06:52
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If you don't say Arizona State, that's what I was going say.
00:06:53
Jordan
do i want Who do I want to believe in? You said, okay, well, that goes to another one of our questions. That's interesting. All right, all right, all right, all right. I'm going to go. going to flip it. I'm going to let you have the Big 12 since you have one.
00:07:07
Jordan
I'm going to go Memphis because we have to have a G5 team.
00:07:11
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Memphis?
00:07:12
Jordan
i think I think Memphis is the one I'm rooting for. I could be wrong about this, but it's vibes.
00:07:17
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Okay.
00:07:17
Jordan
It's vibes. I'm trying to remember that like who should be the good G5 teams coming in. And I think Memphis should be this year because I think they' were on the Cups last year.
00:07:21
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Yeah.
00:07:26
Jordan
no, no. Hold on. Tulane. Sorry. Tulane.
00:07:31
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Tulane. Okay.
00:07:32
Jordan
Big Louisiana.
00:07:33
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oh okay So then I said Arizona State. So how many is that now?
00:07:36
Jordan
That's 10. That's 10.
00:07:37
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That's 10? Okay.
00:07:37
Jordan
All right.
00:07:38
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Okay.
00:07:38
Jordan
So we have three Big Ten, three SEC, one ACC, Notre Dame, one Big 12, one. All right. So one of the Big Ten in one of the SEC is to get four.
00:07:49
Jordan
That's for sure.
00:07:51
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You don't think ACC is going to get two again?
00:07:53
Jordan
I don't know yet. That's going to be on you because you don't have the last one. um Oh, I got a ride with my team who I'm who i'm high on this year,
00:08:04
Jordan
Illinois.
00:08:06
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The Illinois Illni period. Okay. I'm going to go Illni.
00:08:08
Jordan
Illini.
00:08:10
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Whatever child. Whatever. it's It's a stupid mascot anyways, and you can attack me if you want to. I don't care. It's stupid. um
00:08:16
Jordan
Okay.
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Okay, okay, okay, okay. Damn. I'm going to homer. I'm going to SMU. I'm going to say we do it twice in the row.
00:08:22
Jordan
All right.
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going to be a homer.
00:08:24
Jordan
Well, that view also answered you also answered one of our questions later, seeing that you picked two of them to to to double back. All right. So that's our 12th.
00:08:33
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Yeah, but that's a greater conversation.
00:08:35
Jordan
Yeah, that's that's that's our 12. Don't hold us to it because in about five, let's see, let's see, one, two, three, four, yeah, five weeks from here, from this episode, we're going to have official playoff predictions after we do all of our previews.
00:08:47
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An actual. Yeah.
00:08:50
Jordan
So you heard it here first that this doesn't matter, but unless we're right, and if we're right, we told you so.
00:08:50
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Yes.
00:08:55
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We have crystal balls, period.
00:08:57
Jordan
Oh, God. Talk about it.
00:08:58
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Because if you guys weren't paying attention, last week's episode episode, Jordan had a crystal ball talking about the WNBA. And we'll get to that in a second.
00:09:04
Jordan
Mmm mmm talk about it talk about it talk about it, okay
00:09:06
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Because I'm just saying, we be knowing what's going on. Okay. And I would have been right about the NBA playoffs if wasn't for Achilles getting snapped and stuff.
00:09:16
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So I was i was almost right.
00:09:16
Jordan
If it wasn't if it wasn't for you you hold it for you meddling kids
00:09:18
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Like, literally. Okay. Number two. I thought about this question because I remember, like, the literal day after the national championship happened, they put I saw, I don't know, some some sports entity posted on Instagram, like, and this is who the matchup is going to be next year. And I was like, wow, like, the trophy was just handed out yesterday. Like, what is going on?
00:09:40
Get Defensive Sports Network
So, way too early. national championship predictions out of the 12 teams that we just rattled off who's going to be in it and if you feel if you're feeling spicy you can go ahead and and and say who's going win and but
00:09:56
Jordan
So this is this is way harder for me, especially if we think about the 12 teams we just entered, right?
00:10:01
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yeah yeah
00:10:02
Jordan
So I think Ohio State's going to go far, and I'm low-key wanting to put them in the game, right? The problem with picking Texas, because my heart says Ohio State-Texas rematch, I...
00:10:14
Jordan
and And I'm probably going to go with that because I think that two things can be true and that Texas is overrated and that 16 weeks in the season, they could earn their way into how people are talking about them.
00:10:26
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Yeah.
00:10:26
Jordan
um I have ah have way more questions for Arch Manning than other people do. And i know I know it's stupid, but like, here's it So here's the thing, and I won't say too much about it because it goes into our next question.
00:10:39
Jordan
Only one of these can be true. One of these can be true. Either Texas' coach chose loyalty over talent, meaning Arch Manning was much better than Quinn Ewers, and he chose to play Quinn Ewers out of loyalty, or Arch Manning was not better than Quinn Ewers last year.
00:11:01
Jordan
And to me, neither one of them is great for Texas.
00:11:02
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Fair.
00:11:05
Jordan
Arch Manning could be better and be good, sure. But if you have a coach who's not willing to play his best player, including a player with the Manning name, en route to trying to win a national championship, that's a bad sign for you wanting to win a national championship. So Texas is hard for me because it's like,
00:11:25
Jordan
I believe two things can be true, but those can't be true. Either Artie Manning wasn't good, ah not wasn't good, he wasn't better than Quinn Ewers, or that coach played Quinn over loyalty despite the fact that his younger quarterback was better.
00:11:37
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And I think that's that happens all the time, though. Like, playing the younger playing the the older guy just off of, like...
00:11:43
Jordan
But it doesn't.
00:11:46
Jordan
But but we we've seen, especially when, especially, so here's other thing though. They had the perfect time to transition to Arch because Quinn kept getting injured.
00:11:56
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Yeah.
00:11:58
Jordan
So, like, Quinn got injured. Arch started. I don't think he played amazing. And they could have just kept it there, especially because they weren't going to bring Quinn back next year, meaning this year.
Ohio State's Playoff Chances
00:12:11
Jordan
So, if you think this one is better, like, like if Arch is better, does Texas beat Ohio State? You know I'm saying? Like, that was a close game. That was closest game Ohio State played, right? So, like...
00:12:20
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No,
00:12:22
Jordan
Ohio State wins that game at the last second with a sack fumble. If you have a better quarterback, does Texas beat Ohio State? So it's it's one of those things where it's hard for me because, again, either he was not better than Quinn or the coach didn't play his best player, and that makes it hard for me to, like, fully go into Texas.
00:12:39
Jordan
Alabama, definitely not choosing them.
00:12:41
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no they're getting bounced out of the first round.
00:12:42
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They're just going make it.
00:12:42
Jordan
Yeah.
00:12:43
Jordan
Georgia, it's tough because I think Georgia's been down for two years, so but I don't think they're going down for three, but I know absolutely nothing about and know absolutely nothing about their quarterback.
00:12:55
Jordan
Penn State is hard for me. like like i I want to say Penn State's going to do it, but well i will save this for when we get to our Penn State preview. I do not think that their roster is as good as people think it is.
00:13:07
Jordan
Like, I understand the thought process, but I genuinely just don't.
00:13:10
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hype? Yeah.
00:13:11
Jordan
Like, like legitimately just looking at the roster to get through 16 games, I don't think the roster is as good as they say it is. I don't think Arizona State or SMU is going to do it. um So, um I'm going to default.
00:13:25
Jordan
Ah, man, do I want to do Ohio State-Notre Dame again? I'm just going to be boring. I'm going to go Ohio State, Texas. This was such a long way to give the answer that I was going to give anyway.
00:13:33
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Yes, it was.
00:13:35
Jordan
but it's just like but but But I think this is a ah good way to introduce our previews because you just don't know about any of these teams legitimately for multiple reasons, which I won't say out loud until two or three minutes when I ask my next question because it just bleeds directly into that.
00:13:44
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there There's a lot in the air. Yeah.
00:13:53
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It does. um A lot of the teams, a lot of the aforementioned teams do have the situation of the next question, but I'm going to go pen State.
00:14:05
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um' I'm a little high on Penn State, so I feel like they were close, but it was Notre Dame's year sort of situation.
00:14:08
Jordan
you
00:14:12
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So I'm going to go Penn State.
00:14:16
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This sort of bleeds into another question that we have, too.
00:14:21
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What concerns me about Ohio State is that, like, well, also, maybe I'm misremembering. Ohio State, this is the year where they actually do have a lot of returners, right?
00:14:31
Jordan
No, last year.
00:14:33
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I'm concerned about
00:14:34
Jordan
The problem the problem is like a lot of people are concerned about Ohio State because they lost a lot of people, and that's valid. The thing is, like and I'll save some of this for the Ohio State preview, there's one thing that Ohio State has that everyone's underrating.
00:14:50
Jordan
then they also have the two best players in the country, and Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith.
00:14:55
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Yeah, yeah.
00:14:55
Jordan
So if the quarterback is just bare minimum Ohio State good, they're going to be a contender.
Underdogs and Surprise Playoff Teams
00:15:01
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They're going be good.
00:15:01
Jordan
I won't go into details because we're going to get into it.
00:15:01
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Yeah. We're going to get there.
00:15:03
Jordan
we will Just wait.
00:15:04
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i
00:15:05
Jordan
Just wait.
00:15:05
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That's the biggest thing for me with Ohio State.
00:15:06
Jordan
Just wait.
00:15:06
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So I'm going to say Penn State-Texas if the brackets work out the way that they're supposed to because that might not actually end up happening depending seeding.
00:15:09
Jordan
You got to take
00:15:15
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But I'm going to go Penn State-Texas because I do think that Texas is going to get to the championship.
00:15:21
Jordan
you
00:15:22
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like ah out of the two team Out of the teams that we mentioned just a second ago versus like what I know about them, they to me seems the most likely at this point in time to go again.
00:15:34
Jordan
Yeah, so this this is such a this is such a hard position for me because i just want to spill my secrets and not wait.
00:15:42
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Don't do that.
00:15:43
Jordan
But i this is all I'm going to say.
00:15:45
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You got to keep it basic.
00:15:45
Jordan
I think the problems that people project on Ohio State, they're ignoring with Texas.
00:15:52
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Yeah.
00:15:53
Jordan
One, partially because of the Manning name. And two, I just don't really think they paid attention to Texas' is roster. And the one thing that I will say, I will give this secret. the offensive line.
00:16:04
Jordan
Like, everyone talks about... Ohio State didn't have a great offensive line all year, and then it turned great and it led them to a championship.
00:16:08
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yeah
00:16:11
Jordan
Ohio State has three returning starters.
00:16:11
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yeah
00:16:14
Jordan
They have one of the best transfers at um left tackle. So that is four established starters right there. They're only going to add one new player.
00:16:26
Jordan
So the center...
00:16:26
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But I didn't say Ohio State, so.
00:16:28
Jordan
No, no, no, no, no.
00:16:28
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Yeah.
00:16:28
Jordan
I know, I know, i know. The reason the reason why i say a Ohio State is because then in the reverse of Texas, Texas lost almost their entire starting offensive line.
00:16:38
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yeah
00:16:38
Jordan
And so, like, and that's I'll say. I won't get too much into the things. Like, I understand. So, with Texas, you're one betting that their offensive line is going to be good enough, which we we almost never give that.
00:16:51
Jordan
The only team that I know that we've really given like their offensive line is always going to be good was Michigan a couple years ago and like Alabama. I don't know if Texas is at the point where you can say their offensive line is always going to be good.
00:17:03
Jordan
especially because of the number of players they lost. It wasn't one or two guys. They lost their entire offensive line.
00:17:07
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It was a whole thing, I think.
00:17:09
Jordan
They lost their entire running back room, and I think they lost their entire wide receiver room in except for one.
00:17:09
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Yeah.
00:17:14
Jordan
So I just think – I really think Ohio State and Texas are in the same exact bucket.
00:17:19
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Yeah.
00:17:19
Jordan
which So I don't have a problem with you picking Texas. I just think that the national media is doing this thing where it's like Texas is guaranteed, Ohio State's not. And I'm like, they're like mirrors of each other.
00:17:30
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Yeah.
00:17:30
Jordan
And that they have the same exact problem, it's just different positions. And one has a Manning name, so you're assuming he's going to be better than the other just off the strength of the last name.
00:17:40
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Well, yeah.
00:17:41
Jordan
And that...
00:17:41
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I mean, they even were talking about Arch Manning like an early favorite for the Heisman. And it's like everybody needs to take deep breaths of fresh air.
00:17:44
Jordan
No.
00:17:47
Jordan
I will stake my claim later, but...
00:17:47
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Like air from the outside. Not air from the inside. Air from the outside. Maybe touch a little grass. Touch concrete, really, if you like. Pick up ah pick up a rock. You know, go to a lake somewhere. It doesn't have to be natural. it can be man-made.
00:17:59
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But we all need to just take a deep breath. Like, it is okay. Yes, his last name is Manning. We understand what that comes with. Sucks for the kid, honestly. But we need to We need to keep it we need to keep it like for real.
00:18:12
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And the reason why I picked Texas was actually more from a coaching standpoint.
00:18:13
Jordan
Yeah.
00:18:16
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yeah It has less to do with the personnel. um Because I just think, why can't I think of that? Sarkeesian.
00:18:22
Jordan
Yeah.
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Coach is a good coach. So I think that given the right personnel, given good good enough personnel, I think he can still make a championship team out of them. So, which, unfortunately, as we know, how you feel about, what is that man's name?
00:18:37
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That coach. Yo coach.
00:18:38
Jordan
Man, my coach?
00:18:40
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Yes, what's the name?
00:18:40
Jordan
Ryan Day?
00:18:41
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Ryan Day. We don't trust Ryan Day as much as – oh, I don't as much as I trust Coach Tarkeesian. So.
00:18:47
Jordan
I can't say that. Even last year, I trusted Ryan Day more than Sarkeesian, and now Ryan Day has a a national championship. but i like
00:18:53
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Yes?
00:18:54
Jordan
But again, this is not one of the places where I'm judging you. like I think you have very...
00:18:57
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:59
Jordan
you You'll know when I'm judging you. I think you have... There are reasons that that would make sense. I just disagree for my own reasons.
00:19:04
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I think Ohio and Texas are interchangeable, and that's really kind of what it comes down to.
00:19:07
Jordan
Yeah, like i so I think they're mirrors of each other just with different problems.
00:19:08
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:10
Jordan
and And so it depends on...
00:19:10
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Yeah.
00:19:11
Jordan
but And the only reason I even say that is I think that they should be talked about more evenly, and that's how I plan to talk about them too.
00:19:16
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Yeah. But they're not going to.
00:19:19
Jordan
But because of the manning and because of the thing, like I think Ohio State and Texas are, while flawed, the two best teams in the country, and then you get to Penn State and Georgia and whoever else that will save you for later things.
00:19:29
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Notre Dame, Georgia, all of that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:32
Jordan
um Next question.
00:19:33
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Speaking of all those teams that we just mentioned, literally all of the teams we just mentioned, yeah.
00:19:34
Jordan
How do the... Yes, all of them legitimately. How do young quarterbacks on title contenders fare? I think this is the most interesting storyline, and I don't think it's being covered well enough, and we don't have the national platform to do it, nor do we have the time and the paycheck to do it, so I'm not even saying we're doing it well enough, but like all of the title, all of the best teams, all of the quote-unquote blue bloods, all of the teams that you think based off of last year are going to do it again, they all have –
00:20:04
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Have fresh wet behind the ear quarterbacks.
00:20:07
Jordan
none None of them have quarterbacks that have played more than like six games. And that's Dante Moore.
00:20:11
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Yeah.
00:20:11
Jordan
And he was awful when he played those six games. Granted, he was a freshman, but he was legitimately awful. He was so bad that he got sacked, transferred, and sat for a year. Like, this is his third season.
00:20:23
Jordan
He started as a freshman and then didn't play for a year and a half. That's how bad he was. Like, that's not hyperbole.
00:20:27
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I'm screaming.
00:20:28
Jordan
That is true. That is what happened.
00:20:29
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No, yeah, yeah.
00:20:30
Jordan
He played five or six games. It was so bad they sat him. He transferred because nobody wanted him to start. He sat for a year, and now he's playing again. So he's the oldest quarterback of the bunch, I think. No, he's the same class as Arch Manning, I think.
00:20:42
Jordan
I think they're all in their third year.
00:20:43
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He's a sophomore.
00:20:43
Jordan
But it doesn't matter. Well, he's he redshirted, but he this is his third year in college.
00:20:44
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They're all... Yeah, he but his class, technically, yes. He's a sophomore, but yes, third year, yes.
00:20:49
Jordan
Yeah. And Arch Manning's also a redshirt sophomore. i have no idea what Gunnar Stockton is. I think C.J.
00:20:55
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Gunnar is a redshirt sophomore as well.
00:20:55
Jordan
Carr... Okay, so CJ Carr may be a red... No, he's a redshirt sophomore as well. I think the only one that's not...
00:21:00
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No, he's a freshman.
00:21:02
Jordan
He's a true sophomore.
00:21:02
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CJ Carr is a freshman.
00:21:03
Jordan
So he's a redshirt freshman.
00:21:04
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Yeah.
00:21:05
Jordan
That's not his first year aunt campus. He was campus last year. And Julian Sane is probably a redshirt freshman as well.
00:21:07
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Yeah, yeah.
00:21:10
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Freshman, yeah. So the three freshmen the three freshmen are C – let's run down the list. So we have Julian Sane for Ohio State. We have CJ Carr for Notre Dame. We have Arch Manning for Texas. We have Gunnar Stockton for Georgia. And then we have Dante Moore for Oregon.
00:21:26
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And –
00:21:27
Jordan
And when you look at these teams outside of Penn State, who has an established quarterback, these are the teams that you think are going to win.
00:21:34
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yeah yeah
00:21:34
Jordan
And the other thing that's so interesting about this is, like, realistically, first of all, you never have it at the same time, which is the most interesting thing. Like, you do get this, right? CJ Straub was a second-year quarterback when he started.
00:21:43
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yeah
00:21:45
Jordan
Justin Fields, second-year.
00:21:45
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yeah
00:21:46
Jordan
Like, that stuff happens. It happens all the time. Bryce Young was a second-year quarterback. Like, that's sort of normal, right? The thing is, it's mildly at abnormal because all of these teams for the last two or three years were playing older quarterbacks because of COVID years.
00:22:01
Jordan
So it's just like a sharp decline. Like, think about it.
00:22:03
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Yeah, like it's almost like a fresh slate now.
00:22:04
Jordan
Like...
00:22:05
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Like everybody is, quote unquote, from a quarterback standpoint on the same level.
00:22:08
Jordan
Yeah. Like, Oregon, they for back-to-back years, they had older olderor transfer quarter quarterback. They had Bo Nix, and then they had Dylan Gabriel.
00:22:19
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What's that boy's name? Oh, yes.
00:22:20
Jordan
Ohio State last year had Will Howard.
00:22:20
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Dylan Gabriel. Yes.
00:22:22
Jordan
He was like a six-year guy. um Georgia, sorry, Notre Dame had Riley Leonard.
00:22:24
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Yeah.
00:22:28
Jordan
Georgia had Carson Beck, but he was older because he sat for multiple years.
00:22:33
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took his years. Yeah.
00:22:34
Jordan
So like he was already like a redshirt junior or something like that, or a senior.
00:22:34
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Yeah.
00:22:38
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Yeah.
00:22:38
Jordan
And then Arch Manning is, Arch Manning and CJ Carr. So like, yeah, so sorry. Texas had an older quarterback and that he was a three-year starter.
00:22:47
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Quinn years. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:50
Jordan
But he was in the line. Like, he didn't have COVID years and things like that.
00:22:54
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Yeah.
00:22:54
Jordan
But every single one of these other ones had, like, legit older quarterbacks, and three of them had transfer quarterbacks. And, again, not the only ones in the country, but these are your contenders at any given year, but especially this year, and they all have first-year quarterbacks.
00:23:09
Jordan
they all have quarterbacks who haven't played more than six games. And so you're trying to play this game and you genuinely don't know. and And you basically have to do it like Ohio State, he's probably going to be good because he was a really high recruit and Ryan Day's always good with quarterbacks.
00:23:24
Jordan
Arch Manning has a Manning name. Steve Sarkeesian's pretty good with quarterbacks. Dante Moore, I mean... Like, or I will Stein, Oregon's offensive coordinator has had really good offenses. So you say maybe Dante Moore, despite the fact that he looked bad, maybe he does it.
00:23:38
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He'll thrive.
00:23:39
Jordan
I don't think, no, I don't think Notre Dame has any cache with quarterbacks yet.
00:23:39
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Yeah.
00:23:43
Jordan
So CJ, the CJ car one is hard, but I think with Notre Dame, you say they may arguably have the best running backs and in the nation.
00:23:47
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He doesn't even have any stats on here.
00:23:51
Jordan
They're going to have a good offensive line and they're going to have a defense. So is CJ car just going to be better than Riley Leonard or at the same level? And then with texas it with Georgia, I don't know what the hell you say.
00:23:58
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Yeah.
00:24:02
Jordan
Because Georgia's just weird. like like They won with a bad quarterback.
00:24:04
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Well, with Gunner, he...
00:24:07
Jordan
They won two national championships with a legitimately bad quarterback. So it's just like, if Georgia's Georgia, it doesn't matter.
00:24:14
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If... So, I'm looking at their stats, right? Just their pure, just 2024 stats, yards, touchdowns, interceptions, QBR. Gunner has had 440 yards, one touchdown, one interception last year.
00:24:25
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Arch had 939 yards, nine touchdowns, two interceptions. His QBR was 87.5. CJ doesn't have any stats.
00:24:33
Jordan
Yeah, he didn't play at all.
00:24:33
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Julian Sand had 84 yards, one touchdown, and then Dante Moore had just straight 49 yards, no interceptions, no touchdowns. Now he only played a few snaps. But um based on stats alone,
00:24:48
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arch is going to be the most comfortable out of this bunch right um which like fully the most comfortable out of this bunch so i'm less worried about him as much as i'm more so worried about like your dante and your cj like because we truly just haven't gotten a good look at them to say like how this is all gonna gonna go but it's gonna be interesting but i think also like for me from a
00:24:53
Jordan
Played the most.
00:25:12
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just a purely sports fan standpoint, that makes this like so much more interesting. Cause then you don't have the narratives of, Oh, well this team has more experience quarterback than this team when they, when they start to play one another.
00:25:16
Jordan
yeah
00:25:23
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um So I am excited about the competition aspect of it where it's like, it's, it's truly going to be like where we are as evenly matched as we can be at this point.
00:25:33
Jordan
Yeah. Yeah. And I do want to get this to be clear, and I will probably say this again. I don't think Archer's going to be bad. I just think Archer's going to be closer to Quinn Ewers than CJ Straub.
00:25:40
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Yeah.
00:25:43
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Yeah.
00:25:44
Jordan
Closer to Quinn Ewers than Trevor Lawrence. Closer to Quinn Ewers than Jaden Daniels. Like, that's what I'm saying. I just don't think he's going to be God's gift to earth.
00:25:49
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He's not generational, potentially. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:52
Jordan
And if he's not God's gift to earth, then what does that mean for Texas, who has roster holes?
00:25:52
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And if he is...
00:26:00
Jordan
Similarly, if Julian Sand, well, Julian Sand doesn't need to be God's gift to earth because he has Jeremiah Smith. But ah like, and I mean, come on, like I could throw to Jeremiah Smith.
00:26:08
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No, yeah, you're right.
00:26:09
Jordan
But like, um but like, but if Julian Sand is not an Ohio State level quarterback,
00:26:09
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Yeah. I mean, we could close our eyes and just toss it up and he's going to catch it.
00:26:16
Jordan
What does that mean for Ohio State who has holes on their roster? So it's just very interesting because none of these teams have the superstar quarterback who is going to fill all the holes, which,
00:26:20
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Yeah.
00:26:28
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Carry the team. Yeah.
00:26:30
Jordan
This is not a question on here, but that then makes you look at like an Indiana who has arguably, like no one believes this because they didn't watch Cal play, but I do genuinely believe in the fact that for Fernando Mendoza is one of the better quarterbacks in the country.
00:26:47
Jordan
and he's older, does Indiana like maybe sneak back into this thing?
00:26:51
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Do they creep up? Yeah.
00:26:52
Jordan
Because they argue, like Fernando Mendoza is being talked about in the running for the number one pick, like the first quarterback off the board. So if he plays like that, if he plays like a Heisman finalist and one or multiple of these quarterbacks hiccup at any point, it's just it's just interesting because it's like the best teams may have...
00:27:01
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Yeah.
00:27:09
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It opens it up for sure.
00:27:12
Jordan
At the end of the season, the best teams may have the best quarterback. But there's a chance that one or multiple of these, the quarterback just doesn't work. Like, there's a chance that Gunnar Stockton's bad. There's a chance that I don't think, to be honest, I don't think Julian Sand or Arch Manning's going to be bad.
00:27:25
Jordan
Like, I think we've seen enough of them.
00:27:25
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Yeah.
00:27:27
Jordan
We know enough about the programs, the coaches. I think they're good. It's just how good. But what happens CJ Carr's really bad?
00:27:32
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Yeah.
00:27:34
Jordan
What happens if Gunnar Stockton's awful? What happens if Dante Moore's bad? Like, it's an interesting question.
00:27:40
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Yeah. What are we going to do And ah to your point, the teams that have the more established quarterbacks are going to be at an advantage almost in a way um because they have, um,
00:27:53
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what's the word I'm looking for experience on their side.
00:27:55
Jordan
Yeah, and I don't think I put it on here, but I should have put Alabama on this list as well. Alabama has a first-year quarterback.
00:28:00
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Oh, yeah, they do because they lost Jalen Milrow, the running back.
00:28:03
Jordan
Yeah, I guess I didn't think of Alabama as a title contender, which is probably which is probably my fault.
00:28:03
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Yes.
00:28:05
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Alabama is not a title. No T, no shade.
00:28:08
Jordan
I probably still should have had them on here, but Alabama's also going to have a new quarterback.
00:28:11
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They're not a quarterback. Yeah. I'm also very interested to see how Carson Beck is going to fit into the Miami situation.
00:28:18
Jordan
No, he's not. He's not.
00:28:20
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um just am interested because
00:28:21
Jordan
I'm not interested at all. I love that you're interested, because 50% of this show should be interested.
00:28:22
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i'm I'm interested in the sense that like i I genuinely thought he was going to stay in Georgia. like I genuinely thought he was going to stay there, so I was surprised by the transfer. So I'm like, how is that going to go? Because, again, we know how Mario Cristobal is, so i'm just kind of like, this is about to be real.
00:28:37
Jordan
um I love that in one season I've indoctrinated you into the Mario Cristobal like, he's a loser!
00:28:44
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Haters Club? He is.
00:28:46
Jordan
He's a loser! I love it.
00:28:47
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But also seen it with my own eyes.
00:28:48
Jordan
I love it.
00:28:48
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Like, I'm just like, because I used to always wonder what the hell was wrong with Miami.
00:28:49
Jordan
Yeah.
00:28:52
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I just never knew what the reason was. so All you did was give me the reason because I, you know, I was never paying close enough attention.
00:28:55
Jordan
And the funny the fun thing about it is people were like, oh, but he hasn't been at Miami that long. Yeah. Well, look at what happened to Oregon as soon as he left. They're good again.
00:29:04
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yeah And that's the thing.
00:29:05
Jordan
Like, because he's a great talent an accumulator.
00:29:05
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So I'm like,
00:29:09
Jordan
don't know what the hell he be doing, but he don't do nothing.
00:29:09
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great recruiter. Yeah. Once he gets the talent, he's like,
00:29:12
Jordan
Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.
00:29:16
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Yeah, so that's the thing is, like, I've always wondered what was going on in Miami because I've always, I mean, hello, one of the best to ever play in Miami played for the Dallas Cowboys, right? So I've always been, like, aware of Miami being, like, a good football program. I was like, damn, what the hell going on down there? Like, I don't know what's.
00:29:30
Jordan
my and Miami's fall off is crazy too.
00:29:33
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Yeah.
00:29:33
Jordan
i will I will steal your thunder with a quick fun fact. I think Miami has the most Hall of Famers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
00:29:39
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Probably, yeah, that makes sense.
00:29:39
Jordan
And if they don't, they're going to break the record soon. Their 90s teams are insane. like like Like, if we ever, we haven't done this yet. And at this point, it's too late. But maybe next year, is as some all-season content, we can like look back at some teams or different things like that.
00:29:55
Jordan
But like if we listed Miami's Hall of Famers, which we can't do because we don't have a time on this show, it's insane.
00:29:59
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Oh, actually, wait is this for the College Hall of Fame? No, you're talking about College Hall of Fame or Pro Football Hall of Fame?
00:30:04
Jordan
Pro. Football.
00:30:05
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Notre Dame actually has the most. Notre Dame has 14.
00:30:08
Jordan
But how many?
00:30:09
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Southern California has 14. Michigan has 11. Ohio State has 10. Pittsburgh has 10. Miami has 9. Bama has 8. Syracuse has 8. Minnesota has 7. Illinois has
00:30:20
Jordan
Then I think they're gonna break it. Okay. Alright, whatever. I was wrong.
00:30:25
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mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:30:27
Jordan
So, to wrap up...
00:30:27
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Because I think it obviously matters. it's It's the school that you graduate from.
00:30:31
Jordan
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:31
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Obviously. Yeah. Notre Dame. Period. Anyways. um But yeah, it didn't take much to indoctrinate me into the club because then when I actually was watching and I saw it with my own eyes, I'm like, okay.
00:30:42
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And actually our homecoming game this year, the SMU homecoming game is when we play Miami.
00:30:46
Jordan
Don't tell me.
00:30:51
Jordan
I need you to hit the lottery so you can buy my ticket to come down.
00:30:51
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So I get to watch, I get to watch this nonsense in person.
00:30:53
Jordan
No, no, I need to hit the lottery so you buy my ticket so we cannot watch the nonsense person.
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thrilled. I'm thrilled.
00:31:00
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You just got to get a plane ticket, get a plane ticket and we good.
00:31:00
Jordan
Stop playing with my emotions. if i can't I won't tell you on the podcast, but if I tell you the things that I'm paying for this year, you'll understand why get a plane ticket is just not possible this year.
00:31:07
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Yes.
00:31:10
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I know it's not, listen, if I'm just rolling in it, we'll talk. Maybe you can take a train down here or something. We'll, what
00:31:18
Jordan
Hey, they got internet. I do it. We can figure that out. We'll talk about it.
00:31:22
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we'll figure it. Cause listen, I can get you the ticket.
00:31:23
Jordan
We'll talk about it.
00:31:24
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I can get you in the door. I promise you I can.
00:31:26
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Um, well,
00:31:26
Jordan
Hey.
00:31:27
Jordan
And look, I'll pay you back. I'll buy you some food. Maybe I'll cook. You know saying?
00:31:31
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I'll buy you some a food for a plane ticket.
00:31:31
Jordan
I'll throw something on the grill. I'll throw some on the grill. I mean, like, you know, it's like, yeah.
00:31:36
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And see it. And I need to throw some on the grill friend that actually lives down here. Cause I can't throw nothing on nobody's grill.
00:31:40
Jordan
Yeah, I can't.
00:31:41
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Um, I need to throw some on the grill person in my life anyways, but yes. So realistically the title contenders that we literally just talked about, um, all of this could be hinging upon them having a wet behind the ears quarterback.
00:31:53
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So this will be real fun to watch.
00:31:53
Jordan
Yes.
00:31:54
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Um,
00:31:55
Jordan
And this is not one of our questions, but it is like a theme of like to wrap this one up and go to the next one. It sort of blends. That means you have Indiana as like a dark horse, but that means you have Clemson.
00:32:08
Jordan
And you have Penn State as two title contenders as our next two questions who do have established quarterbacks, both of who have quarterbacks that are going into their third year, both of who have quarterbacks who are five stars and didn't entirely live up to the hype, but depending on who you asked, showed some growth at the end of last year that makes you think their third season could do it.
00:32:17
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Correct.
00:32:29
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So promise. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:34
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Yeah.
00:32:34
Jordan
Now, I will say,
00:32:37
Jordan
Quentin Ewers also had a third year and we saw what happened. So you can't guarantee that their third year is going to be good, but there's hope there. So we can combine these questions because they're essentially the same.
00:32:49
Jordan
Mildly different. Let's not combine them because one's specifically James Franklin conversation. Four. Can James Franklin get over the hump and reach the national championship game? And my thing is, I don't want people to do what I'm doing.
00:32:58
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I mean, I predicted that, so
00:33:00
Jordan
i don't i don't people do I don't want people to do what I'm doing. i don't want the revisionist history of Penn State's rosters not that good. That is currently happening with the Chicago Bears, side note, and Caleb Williams.
00:33:10
Jordan
And it's like, hey, maybe Caleb Williams just wasn't as good as you thought. Because I... I heard and saw with my little eye and ears that they said Caleb Williams was going into the best situation a rookie quarterback has ever had.
00:33:26
Jordan
I heard him say it. I saw him say it. I also heard and saw them say that Bryce Young was going into one of the best situations that they've ever had. And I do understand that things change, but it's crazy how fast they change when the quarterback just doesn't play good.
00:33:42
Jordan
So, I don't want hear Penn State wasn't like I've been saying that they don't have a wide receiver. I've been saying that they lost their best defensive player. I've been saying that I don't think their quarterback's that good. i don't want to hear that in December when they don't make it, when all of y'all have been saying they have the roster and they're reloading and they have the best team in the country. Keep that energy and just admit if it happens, not.
00:34:08
Jordan
that you are wrong either about believing in James Franklin or about believing in that quarterback, Drew Aller, or both. So, you believe he will get over the hump.
00:34:22
Jordan
Why?
00:34:26
Jordan
This isn't like a The why was more aggressive than I wanted, but just like...
00:34:27
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Based on my very limited knowledge of college football.
00:34:30
Jordan
I mean, like, I mean, you, but that's the thing, like, the the historical knowledge matters a little bit, but, like, just answer the question off of what you saw last year, because that's what matters. He's bringing back a lot of the roster from last year, and he made it, yeah.
00:34:40
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He's bringing back a lot. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I believe that he's going to be able to find success in the pocket of transitions for the other teams that would be considered his larger competition.
00:34:51
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It's very much related to the conversation we were just having. So I think that that's what's going to propel them forward and the next team that we're about to talk about is that they're going to find success in this small gap of all of the best teams transitioning, all of the best teams recover quote unquote recovering from you know losing their longer-tenured quarterbacks, losing some of their longer-tenured other position players and things like that.
00:35:17
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Realistically, I can't sit here and say with my whole chest that he's going to win natty, but I do think
00:35:21
Jordan
Oh, and that's why the question is not when, it's just reach.
00:35:23
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Yeah, but I do think that Penn State absolutely has a runway ahead of them to make it to the natty.
00:35:29
Jordan
And I love that you said that because ah just need, ah feel like we do this all the time. I need teams to keep that same energy, whether they do or don't make it.
00:35:39
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Yeah.
00:35:41
Jordan
If they do make it, pound your chest and say you said it was going to happen. I love that. But if they don't, don't give me the revisionist history.
00:35:44
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Yeah.
00:35:48
Jordan
You looked at the roster and you said they had one of the best teams in the country and you said that they were going to get a bump and do it. I... think that James Franklin is still one of the best coaches in the country. I do.
00:35:58
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Yeah.
00:35:58
Jordan
But I, so my, honestly, my thing, is but he, I think he has some flaws in his roster building. And I think some of that is as good as a recruiter as he is. I just think some of it's hard to get to Penn state, but also I think he's too loyal.
00:36:11
Jordan
His wide receiver coach should have been fired four years ago. Personally. I don't know why he's still there. So it's like, I don't believe in a quarterback. I just don't. I don't believe in the quarterback at all.
00:36:22
Jordan
Like, I don't care what anyone says.
00:36:22
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yeah
00:36:23
Jordan
I watched it. He personally lost in the Notre Dame game. And with the quarterback specifically, he doesn't have his best weapon.
00:36:28
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yeah.
00:36:32
Jordan
So, like, let's say, for example, let's hypothesize. Let's say they do have better wide receivers. That wide receiver or even duo of wide receivers is not going to be better than Tyler Warren.
00:36:45
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yeah
00:36:45
Jordan
So, it's like, how can you say the offense got better when they lost – a first-round pick tight end who was so good he could give you 200 yards and multiple touchdowns by himself in one game. And it's not only just that. It's just any time they needed to get out of a situation, they went to him.
00:37:03
Jordan
Whether they direct snapped him the ball, whether he was the running back, or whether he was the wide receiver or the tight end, it was always him.
00:37:04
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Yeah. Now they don't have that. Yeah.
00:37:08
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Yeah.
00:37:10
Jordan
So it's like, yeah, you brought back other things, but you didn't bring back the two most important people. You didn't bring back Abdul Carter.
00:37:16
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And you didn't bring I mean, I don't know. And that's that's the thing is like... I still think the runway is ahead of them based on the circumstances, not so much based on the roster.
00:37:26
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I also am like, I'm looking and I'm like, okay, what is, what's, what has their runway been?
00:37:30
Jordan
You the
00:37:32
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Right? Like when he first got there, they're two and six, four and four, eight and one, 72. Like they've progressively gotten better. So if we're going off of like just straight data, they finally went to the college college football playoff first round.
00:37:43
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They went to PS bowl. They went to orange bowl. Like,
00:37:47
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From the data it's giving, like, this has got to be the year, right? It's got to be this year or next year, right? Like, otherwise, child,
00:37:54
Jordan
one would
00:37:57
Jordan
right But that's the thing. If it's not this year or next year, it's just never going to happen.
00:38:00
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it's not going to happen.
00:38:01
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I agree. If it's not this year or next year, hate that for y'all.
00:38:01
Jordan
But that's fine for him because he's going to be USC's next head coach when they get rid of Lincoln Riley.
00:38:09
Jordan
And then he'll probably do it there.
00:38:09
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Okay.
00:38:10
Jordan
He'll probably do it there. Because really really like all of all the criticism I give to James Franklin, and I do think he deserves a lot of it. I do think we underrate that some of his problem is just that he's in bumfuck Pennsylvania.
00:38:23
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It's just, it's hard to, listen, i now that i have been to state college, college, state, Penn, wherever the hell I went, wherever the hell I went, no, I believed you.
00:38:28
Jordan
Yeah, you thought I was lying too. You thought I was being dramatic. I can be a little dramatic.
00:38:32
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I believed you.
00:38:32
Jordan
when State colleges, I wasn't playing.
00:38:34
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I believed you. I believed you. There was nothing about what you, I took heed to everything that you said about state college. I, beautiful people. I will say the people were so nice.
00:38:45
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Oh my God. So nice. So nice. So nice.
00:38:48
Jordan
And if you like trees, it's a beautiful campus.
00:38:48
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I said that. If you like mountains, trees, and snow, please go to State College.
00:38:52
Jordan
It was cold, but if you ever go in the summer, they have some of the best
00:38:53
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You'll love it. If you love your plane not taking off because it gets too because the plane literally was too cold, please go to State College. You'll enjoy it.
00:39:01
Jordan
Yeah, and if you could ever get there when it's warm, they have some of the best ice cream you've ever had.
00:39:04
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What?
00:39:06
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I'm sure.
00:39:07
Jordan
But like, yeah, because it was freezing.
00:39:07
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And I haven't, I did not get a chance to try the ice cream, which makes me sad, but you know, if you want your fingertips to fall off, please go to state college.
00:39:09
Jordan
Like, why would you? But yeah.
00:39:14
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You'll have a grand old time. I will say, i will say that environment is unlike any environment I've ever been in, in my life.
00:39:16
Jordan
Football.
00:39:21
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So as an athlete, like that, yeah, like as an athlete, I would want to go just strictly for, for that environment.
00:39:21
Jordan
And fans are amazing. Yeah.
00:39:28
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But I also know like everything else, um, has to make sense. And being up in a mountains like that is not, that's not easy. that's There's a reason why UConn has to be who they are in order to recruit people. You've got to be the best team in the country because who the fuck is going to stores?
00:39:38
Jordan
Yes.
00:39:41
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Like,
00:39:42
Jordan
Same with Gonzaga. don't even know where Gonzaga is.
00:39:45
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where even is Gonzaga? Like, where is it?
00:39:46
Jordan
Hey, when you find out, let me know.
00:39:47
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Like, I don't know.
00:39:49
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i don't know. think it's on the East Coast, isn't it?
00:39:49
Jordan
Cause I don't care enough to Google it right now.
00:39:52
Jordan
No.
00:39:53
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Isn't it? Child, I don't know.
00:39:55
Jordan
It's in like Montana or Utah, Washington.
00:39:55
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Spokane, Washington, child. Spokane.
00:39:57
Jordan
Yeah. Oh, Spokane's not that bad.
00:39:58
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It's Newfoundland.
00:40:00
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It's not terrible, but it's not.
00:40:00
Jordan
Spokane's not awful.
00:40:01
Jordan
Washington's not awful.
00:40:02
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It's yeah. But the point I'm getting at is um State College is a hard place to recruit to. um But yeah, I think it has to happen this year or next year or child. We we we're going to have to have a very serious conversation.
00:40:12
Jordan
so um But my thing is it it has to happen this year because next year he's going to lose a lot more people.
00:40:15
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Yeah.
00:40:19
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A lot more people. Yeah.
00:40:20
Jordan
and And when you do – that's a thing, like, for Ohio State, it had to happen last year.
00:40:20
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Yeah.
00:40:25
Jordan
that whatever Like, legitimately, whatever Ohio State does this year is house money because their roster is so small and so young. And outside of Caleb Downs, almost all of their best players are going to be back next year.
00:40:35
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Yeah.
00:40:36
Jordan
So Ohio State can have a, quote, unquote, down year, which for Ohio State's standard is –
00:40:38
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Couple years. Yeah.
00:40:41
Jordan
is getting winning one or two games in the playoffs instead of three or four.
00:40:45
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Yeah.
00:40:46
Jordan
But you can do that because you won when you needed to win, right?
00:40:50
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Yeah.
00:40:51
Jordan
People, Michigan fans forgave Michigan last year because they won the year before when they needed to win.
00:40:58
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Well,
00:40:58
Jordan
Penn State's going to lose so many. That's why i said specifically Penn State fans. Penn State needs to win this year because they're going to lose so many people.
00:41:07
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Yeah, I agree.
00:41:07
Jordan
Next question. Is Clemson a legit national championship contender? If you listen to the national media, if you listen to the people, Clemson is going to win the national championship.
00:41:13
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I'm going to give a really biased answer.
00:41:21
Jordan
a lot of I bet you when it comes out, a lot of people going to pick Clemson-Texas as national championship game. And i think that
00:41:32
Jordan
Clemson, to me, I think has a better – maybe a better chance than Penn State off the strength that, like, I think that their defense may be a little bit better. But I also don't think they have an amazing wide receiver. And I also don't believe in their quarterback.
00:41:46
Jordan
And I definitely don't believe in Dabo anymore. But Dabo has two national championships. So, don't know. I think my answer to this is – sort of, and that I could see them getting to the final four, but I don't see them winning.
00:42:04
Jordan
i don't i see I don't see them getting to national championship game. I think they're going to be a good team. I think they make it further than they did last year, potentially, but I don't, like when we're talking about legit national championship contenders, I think there's only a couple and I don't think they're there. So it's sort of.
00:42:22
Jordan
I think they're a Final Four team, and that's the best that I can give them. But i could see I could still see them stumbling because I don't think they're as good as people assume that they're going to be.
00:42:33
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Matter.
00:42:33
Jordan
But to your Penn State point, there is a minor runway because they do have that quarterback.
00:42:40
Jordan
And so even if that quarterback's not that good, how much does the three-year starter seniority thing factor in?
00:42:47
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matter
00:42:48
Jordan
But I also worry that their run game and wide receiver room is going to be bad. So I don't know. um I'm going to say final. I'm not going to as far as a national championship contender. But I will say i could see them going as far as the final four, but losing to whoever they play.
00:43:05
Jordan
And maybe not close.
00:43:07
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I'm going to kind of get in your revisionist history bag because like they were not a part of any postseason conversations until they randomly by stats and other things made it to the damn ACC championship.
00:43:20
Jordan
And now they're a championship contender next year.
00:43:21
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They beat us by one field goal. They did not whoop our ass. They did not drag us. It wasn't a blowout. It wasn't a whatever. They beat us by one field goal. Yeah, I'm still mad.
00:43:33
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And I was watching basketball the other day, and they were playing the replay of our game on ESPN3. We don't need to watch that again. Why are we replaying that game specifically? Y'all can't replay nothing else. All the games y'all got to choose from, y'all want to replay that one.
00:43:44
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Replay ASU in Texas. that was good That was good watching. Don't replay our shit. We don't need to do that. So, to me, in my opinion, because they randomly snuck their way into the playoffs last year, now everybody is high on Clemson, no. I don't want to hear it.
00:43:57
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F you and the horse that you rode in on, no. Because I guarantee you this, if we end up in the ACC championship with Clemson again, that ass is whooped.
00:44:08
Jordan
I guarantee it, she said, and I love it.
00:44:11
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That ass is whooped because they barely beat us the first time. So, yeah, okay, you snuck your way in. You got your little playoff spot because it's a 12-team playoff, and now they are allowing two ACC teams in. But don't piss me off. Like, that doesn't mean that Clemson all of a sudden it is just so amazing and, oh, my God, they finna go to the National. oh What are we talking about? That's crazy to me.
00:44:32
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No.
00:44:32
Jordan
i agree.
00:44:32
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And will they make it to the playoffs?
00:44:33
Jordan
also
00:44:34
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Probably. But it'll be because they lost the ACC championship.
00:44:38
Jordan
Hey, I also think that, like, so here's the thing with Clemson, and, like, I understand that I don't get to watch every game. I don't get to re-watch every game. don't to do these things, right?
00:44:52
Jordan
In the draft conversation, there's been a lot of conversation right now about how good Clemson's defensive line is going to be next year, and I'm not saying it's not going to be good, but I do mind – And I admit that there's a chance that I missed it.
00:45:06
Jordan
But I do wonder where the hype is coming from because I didn't watch Clinton last year and think that they were dominating everyone on defensive line.
00:45:16
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I didn't either. That's why I don't understand. That's i'm like, no, y'all just want to, y'all got high on that little playoff run and you're not paying attention.
00:45:18
Jordan
And so it's like,
00:45:24
Jordan
Yeah. Question six. Does Ohio State take a step back or can they make another playoff run? And so I think to better answer this question, to make it more dynamic, does Ohio State make it to the Final Four?
00:45:38
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Yes.
00:45:39
Jordan
Okay. So then I would argue that means they don't take a step back. Because everything's a step back from the national championship unless you repeat.
00:45:45
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Yeah, it is.
00:45:46
Jordan
Like, you know what mean?
00:45:46
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Yeah.
00:45:47
Jordan
Like, so like, if the question is, does Ohio State...
00:45:48
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Yeah. Yeah. But step back to me means like you barely make it through the first round. Like that's what step back to me means.
00:45:53
Jordan
Right. And I agree. I do not think they take a step back. I do think they make a run. I do think they at least get to the Final Four again.
00:46:01
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Yeah.
00:46:01
Jordan
And then it just depends on who they play and how they play. And if you can put six people on Jeremiah Smith, because if you can't, if you can't, I'm telling you right now, if Ohio State makes it to the Final Four, I'm probably going pick them to the National Championship.
00:46:04
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And how Ryan Day coaches. and Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
00:46:17
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I don't think I would pick them to win the national championship again because repeating is difficult.
00:46:17
Jordan
Because if Jeremiah, I'm telling you right now, no But that's why I say if they get to the Final Four, I'm going to pick it because I just don't see anyone stopping Jeremiah Smith for two games.
00:46:22
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But
00:46:31
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that's fair.
00:46:31
Jordan
So they better hope you beat Ohio State before they get there.
00:46:32
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Yeah.
00:46:33
Jordan
Because if they get hot, that's my thing. like If they get hot, I'm not saying they're going I'm saying that at that point is when I will pick it because I don't see, no matter who it is, i don't see a single team stopping Jeremiah Smith for two games.
00:46:36
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Yeah.
00:46:49
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I feel like I don't think that I think Ohio State is building momentum, not losing it. So I don't see it like them taking a step back.
00:46:57
Jordan
Yes.
00:46:59
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But I also will say I don't think it would be like your season would be a failure if you didn't make to the final four.
00:47:04
Jordan
No.
00:47:05
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I think it's a failure.
00:47:05
Jordan
Unless we don't beat Michigan.
00:47:06
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It's a failure if you don't beat Michigan. It's a failure if you don't win the Big Ten. It's a failure if um you only make it like you don't make it to the first round. Then were we'll call it a failure. um
00:47:15
Jordan
Yes.
00:47:15
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because to me, if you won the championship last year, you there is an expectation for you to at least make it to the Final Four. Like, you won the Natty last year.
00:47:22
Jordan
Yeah.
00:47:24
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So, um yeah.
00:47:27
Jordan
And obviously people leave, but the only people who are guaranteed that are like major contributors to leave next year after this season is Caleb Downs, Karno Tate, the wide receiver, Caleb Downs is the safety, and Sonny Stiles, the linebacker.
00:47:40
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Mm-hmm.
00:47:47
Jordan
Of course, there are going to be other people to leave. But I think the overwhelming majority of our offensive line is going to stay because this is only going to be their second year starting. So I think we go back into next year with at least three returning starters.
00:48:00
Jordan
All of our wide receivers, including Jeremiah Smith, will be back except for Carnot Tate. The quarterback will be back.
00:48:04
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Momentum.
00:48:05
Jordan
The running back will be back. The defensive line will be back because they're young.
00:48:07
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Momentum.
00:48:09
Jordan
All the linebackers except. And then we're also going to lose one of the – we're also going to lose – lied.
00:48:11
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Momentum.
00:48:13
Jordan
We're also going to lose one of the corners, maybe two of the corners. So, like, that's a conversation for another day.
00:48:17
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But you're Ohio State and it's not like you're not about to attract top talent if you just won a natty and then maybe you go the Final Four again or win a natty again.
00:48:18
Jordan
But, right.
00:48:23
Jordan
Correct. Correct.
00:48:24
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Like, Please.
00:48:26
Jordan
Question seven, specifically these teams, can SMU, Arizona State, and or Boise State reach the playoffs in back-to-back years? I do not think all three of them do, of course, but can any of them?
00:48:38
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I agree.
00:48:41
Jordan
You've already picked two of them, hypothetically. Are you standing by that 40 minutes later, are you changing your mind already?
00:48:44
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Hypothetically, yes. Oise State is the only one I don't believe in because they don't have, what's that boy's name?
00:48:50
Jordan
Aston Gentile.
00:48:51
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Why did just lose his name?
00:48:52
Jordan
Aston Gentile.
00:48:52
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Ashton Gentey. They don't have Ashton Gentile anymore. So, sorry to Boise State. Love that for y'all. But, um yeah, I think SMU is capable. The thing about SMU is that we are returning our quarterback. We pretty much had one of the better O-lines last year anyway.
00:49:08
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um And then we've gotten a few – um We got some talent in the receiver room, wide receiver room and things like that. I'm not an SMU expert, but I know we're doing well in that regard. um The only thing about Arizona State, I guess the X factor for Arizona State was Cam Scadaboo.
00:49:22
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How do you say his last name? Cam Scadaboo.
00:49:23
Jordan
Scatterbow.
00:49:25
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He was the X factor and now he's gone.
00:49:25
Jordan
Kim Scatterbow.
00:49:27
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Did I just make that up?
00:49:29
Jordan
No. He's on the New York Giants talking in a black scent.
00:49:32
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Okay.
00:49:33
Jordan
Saying he grew up around gattleness.
00:49:36
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Yes, I did see that. Very pathetic and sad. So like if I were to rank, I would say the highest chance is SMU, then Arizona State, and then Boise State I think is not even in the conversation anymore.
00:49:48
Jordan
So yeah, I'm going to give another little secret. And it depends. Like, again, I have the right to change all of my mind once i do a deep dive into the preview, which I'm going to do for the two weeks that I'm in Columbus.
00:49:58
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Correct.
00:50:01
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I love that for you.
00:50:01
Jordan
Not wherever.
00:50:01
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yeah
00:50:01
Jordan
I'm not going to be in Columbus for two weeks. But like in various places in Ohio.
00:50:06
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ah
00:50:07
Jordan
But I think, I do think the ACC gets two, and I think it's going to be SMU or Pitt.
00:50:07
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What if it is in the ohio
00:50:13
Jordan
Don't think going to be Miami. I don't, I reserve the right to change my mind about Pitt, but the reason I'm including Pitt, I need to see the rest of their roster, but I think their quarterback's going really good.
00:50:15
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Yeah.
00:50:24
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Yeah.
00:50:25
Jordan
So, like, because I'm super hot on him after last year. Like, i like i like like i know I know he tailed off at the end a little bit, but he this was his this was his first year playing that boy.
00:50:29
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No, I'm super.
00:50:33
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Now, yeah, Pitt was kicking ass and initially.
00:50:38
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Yeah, Pitt was kicking ass. I was actually concerned when they came.
00:50:39
Jordan
Eli Holstein?
00:50:41
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When they got to SMU, I was scared. I'm surprised we won the game the way that we did.
00:50:44
Jordan
Yeah, so, like, again, it depends on what else is on their team. I don't know, so I can't say this for sure. But I could see, i think SMU, at bare minimum, SMU or Pitt, in my opinion, is probably going to be in the ACC championship game.
00:50:50
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Yeah.
00:50:58
Jordan
And there's a good chance then that the runner-up gets in, which is what happened last year.
00:51:01
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Whoever they both get a big. Yeah.
00:51:04
Jordan
Okay, eight.
00:51:05
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Yeah.
00:51:07
Jordan
Eight.
00:51:09
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This is my question. Who will Colorado be without their golden gooses, Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter?
00:51:18
Jordan
Nobody!
00:51:20
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Not a fucking person. No, i'm just, that's what I was about to say too. I'm like, man, I really don't know. Cause that was kind of their bread and butter for this, this last year. so I'm just kind of like, I don't know. I mean, you know, this is going to be the year for Colorado where we really actually get to see Dion's coaching chops in a different sort of way. Cause it's not his kid and it's not a generational Heisman winning talent.
00:51:43
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So that's going to be very
00:51:43
Jordan
Yes. I don't remember his name. But they did get an interesting quarterback in the transfer portal as like a one-year stopgap sort of thing.
00:51:50
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Mm-hmm.
00:51:53
Jordan
I do not remember his name. But, I mean, at the end of the day, it's just like Shador was good, but he wasn't the main person, right? Like, so without Travis, who is it?
00:52:03
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Mm-hmm. Caden Salter.
00:52:07
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Caden Salter.
00:52:08
Jordan
Yes, he's a he's a dog. But without, even if you replace Shador, can't replace Travis. They also lost Jimmy Horn Jr. Like, there are some people that they lost.
00:52:18
Jordan
So, i don't know, man.
00:52:20
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Who will they be? i don't know. because Because my thing is, i don't think that means that they're going to automatically be trash.
00:52:22
Jordan
Yeah.
00:52:26
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But... to me there is a spotlight on them in a different way because they lost both of them at the same time.
00:52:32
Jordan
yeah
00:52:33
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So it's just kind of like, what's going on in Colorado? I don't know. It's very interesting. And as you guys know, I'm a little high on Colorado. you know i live for me so I live for Coach Prime. I live for the whole vibe.
00:52:42
Jordan
You're a
00:52:43
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I'm sorry. i love me some Colorado. You can stick it in my glass right now. i'm and drink it up. So um just I personally will have my eye on Colorado.
00:52:48
Jordan
you're a little high.
00:52:51
Jordan
You're a little high on Colorado.
00:52:53
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I am. I am. I'm smoking that Colorado pack.
00:52:54
Jordan
Denver, get it.
00:52:55
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I am.
00:52:56
Jordan
Get it, the weed, but also the mountains. You're a little high.
00:52:59
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Yeah.
00:52:59
Jordan
No, just kidding.
00:52:59
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Isn't it legal there? I'm pretty sure it's legal there.
00:53:02
Jordan
Yeah, that's right. That was so was the point of the joke, but yeah.
00:53:03
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Oh yeah. So yeah, I'm going to smoking on hay in the middle of the barn in Colorado.
00:53:06
Jordan
Hey.
00:53:08
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Okay.
00:53:08
Jordan
Listen. ah Number nine. Well, can slash will anyone surprise and make a playoff run?
00:53:20
Jordan
Going into last year, we didn't have Arizona State. We sure as hell didn't have Indiana. We didn't have SMU. And we didn't, I don't think many people had Boise. Like last year was really sort of wild.
00:53:31
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No, nobody had Boise. We need to be real.
00:53:33
Jordan
So like my my my take for this is going to be Illinois.
00:53:33
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Nobody had Boise.
00:53:38
Jordan
But like with 12 teams,
00:53:38
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Okay. See, I was going to say that too.
00:53:40
Jordan
With 12 teams, you're probably going to at least get one or two surprises. So like, don't know. It's hard to answer. Like I said, if I had to guess, if I had to make a plan,
00:53:52
Jordan
I would say Illinois. But, like, maybe – so I don't – especially because I don't think you can count South Carolina as a surprise because going into our next question, their quarterback is one of the Heisman favorites, so I just don't think they count.
00:54:00
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Yeah, they've they've been knocking. Yeah.
00:54:06
Jordan
But, like, could, like – I know some people are, like, high on Baylor. and Could Baylor do it?
00:54:12
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What?
00:54:13
Jordan
um Could Washington surprise out of the Big Ten? Could – I know. Yeah, I mean, it's ah it's a good question. it's it's ah It's a good question. I think Pitt would be a surprise, like if Pitt did it.
00:54:30
Jordan
So I'm going to say yes, but I won't bet on who. But I do think – I don't think we get four, though. Like last year we had four surprises.
00:54:39
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I think last year was was surprising for multiple reasons with the fact that it was extended to 12 for the first time.
00:54:40
Jordan
don't think we get – Mm-hmm.
00:54:45
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So it's just kind of like, you know, and also just the ah quality of play from these particular teams was also surprising, if that makes sense.
00:54:57
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Because brand-wise, at least I can speak for SMU, I don't really know Arizona State's history or or Boise or um what is that the other team you just said? um indiana well indiana like i think there was that that particular surprise of this of just them being good in general that also was like oh shit y'all are so good y'all made it to the playoffs like hold on like think there's a lot of that going on i think the team that i'm gonna say and this is like bear with me i'm in like two minds i want to say i'll just say both lsu and iowa
00:55:33
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LSU, because they was playing up in that transfer portal. I mean, they really are serious. You can tell that they're serious. So i feel like LSU was going to look very, very different this year than what they looked like last year.
00:55:47
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And then as far as Iowa, I feel like Iowa has been kind of knocking on the door as well. I mean, they won 11 games last year. Like, that was the first time they ever did that. So I feel like they might be kind of I don't know. I feel like they might be building some momentum. They also have a third-year quarterback as well. So, again, they might be able to so do the same thing, like have that little bit of a window because of all the other teams transitioning. So I'm going to say Iowa and LSU.
00:56:11
Jordan
I like the Iowa pick. People don't understand. just don't understand. Iowa, he's from the FCS, but that quarterback is a baller.
00:56:23
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:24
Jordan
um Okay, so last question, final question.
00:56:31
Jordan
Who are the Heisman Trophy early favorites?
00:56:39
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Yes, yes, yes. And I'm asking you mostly because I don't know players as well as you know players.
00:56:42
Jordan
I...
00:56:46
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So this is really more of like a hey, let's have an educational moment to the to the to the to our listeners to all 300 of y'all we love y'all. um Who should we be looking at as the potential Heisman favorites?
00:56:57
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I mean, the obvious one is obviously Jeremiah Smith, of course.
00:56:59
Jordan
yeah so for me, I would say
00:57:00
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But and of course, we already know that Arch Manning is going to be in the conversation whether we want him in it or not. But who else?
00:57:10
Jordan
it's um
00:57:13
Jordan
It's Jeremiah Smith. It's Lenora Sellers from South Carolina quarterback.
00:57:20
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Mm-hmm.
00:57:20
Jordan
I don't think South Carolina is going to win enough games for him to win it, but I think he's going to be dynamic in that he could have like 4,000 total yards because he's also a good runner.
00:57:30
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:57:32
Jordan
And it's one of those things where it doesn't happen often, but if he has a Lamar Jackson type season and they at least win eight or nine games, he might do it.
00:57:41
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He'll get a little nod. Yeah.
00:57:42
Jordan
So outside of those two...
00:57:43
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He'll get a little nod.
00:57:46
Jordan
I think I'm going to cheat, and I'm going to say Ryan Williams, because if Alabama's going to be good, it's going to be based on him. Because I like understand there's going to be a quarterback that gets there.
00:57:53
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Because of him. Yeah.
00:57:57
Jordan
And there's a chance that a quarterback could win it with reduced stats, right? like if no quarter Like if every quarterback throws for 3,000 yards and 25 touchdowns, that may be enough.
00:58:02
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Yeah.
00:58:08
Jordan
But when we're looking at like previous Heisman seasons, I don't think any of them have that 35, 37,
00:58:14
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The ability. Yeah.
00:58:17
Jordan
35 touchdowns, like that sort of thing.
00:58:18
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Yeah.
00:58:19
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The last quarterback to win at this point is Jaden, right?
00:58:19
Jordan
So if the numbers,
00:58:22
Jordan
um yes.
00:58:24
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Okay, well, yeah.
00:58:24
Jordan
Or did Caleb win it after Jaden? Jaden, yeah.
00:58:28
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Jaden got drafted. He was a rookie this past year.
00:58:31
Jordan
But so was Caleb.
Heisman Trophy Contenders
00:58:33
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And Jaden wanted the year, his senior year.
00:58:35
Jordan
Last year. And then ja Caleb won it two years ago. So yeah, Jaden, yeah.
00:58:38
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Yeah, yeah.
00:58:39
Jordan
And then last year was a running back, yeah. But like, let's, let's, yeah.
00:58:41
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And then last year was, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, I think that where there's going to be a couple of people who are going to be, like I said, like forced in the conversation, like literally a couple of the people that we obviously mentioned as like the young QBs, but because of the brands they're associated with, they'll be in the conversation like you're.
00:58:56
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um your Jalen say Julian Sands and people like that I think DJ Lagway is probably to be a part of that conversation um for sure and then even Nico i probably as well um because they are story quarterbacks but um I think if we're talking about like actual like ability to win the Heisman for real I think it's Jeremiah Smith's trophy to win
00:59:10
Jordan
I don't believe in Nico, but yeah.
00:59:21
Jordan
I agree. because like so like here's the thing, right? Jaden Daniels, when he won the Heisman, threw 3,800 yards, interceptions, 1,100 yards, and 10 touchdowns. four four intercepttion
00:59:32
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four.
00:59:32
Jordan
eleven hundred yards and ten
00:59:35
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I love this kid.
00:59:38
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I'm obsessed with him.
00:59:38
Jordan
10 rushing touchdowns, right? Let's look at one more.
00:59:40
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Yeah.
00:59:42
Jordan
um I'm actually going to look at two more, okay? So, Caleb Williams, when he won the Heisman in 2022, he threw for 4,500 yards, 42 touchdowns, five interceptions.
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Jesus.
00:59:55
Jordan
he He ran for only 382 yards, but he had 10 rushing touchdowns. When Bryce Young won the Heisman the year before that,
00:59:59
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Yeah. Jesus.
01:00:03
Jordan
He threw for 4,800 yards, 47 touchdowns, seven interceptions. So my thing is, a quarterback could win it with lesser stats if all of them have lesser stats.
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You got cross that 4k mark. 4,000 yards. No.
01:00:16
Jordan
But I don't know that any of these quarterbacks are throwing for 4,000 yards, so it's hard to pick who the Heisman finalists are.
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Yeah.
01:00:20
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four thousand yards no
01:00:24
Jordan
So for me... J.R. Smith, Ryan Williams as two of the best wide receivers in the country, maybe the two best wide receivers in the country, and then i will give it to Lenore Sellers because I think he could get to 4,000 total yards between his passing and throwing.
01:00:33
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yeah
01:00:42
Jordan
So like if he can get to 4,000 total yards and 40 touchdowns, let's say 28 passing, 12 rushing, let's call it 3,100 yards passing, 900 yards rushing, or he probably is a little bit more than that, but let's call it 4,200 total yards and 40 total touchdowns between passing and rushing.
01:00:42
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Yeah.
01:01:04
Jordan
I think he could do it. Outside of that, I just don't know if any of the quarterbacks are going to be good enough to really reach the numbers.
01:01:11
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yeah
01:01:12
Jordan
Which, when that happens, that allows for wide receiver to win.
01:01:16
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A wide receiver.
01:01:17
Jordan
So i think for the first time in a long yeah I think for the first time in a long time, we'll have back-to-back years where a quarterback didn't win.
01:01:17
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Yeah. I don't think this is a quarterback year either. but
01:01:22
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Back to back. Yeah. um Good times. What's funny is I was reading up on this and Kevin Jennings from SMU has been listed on some of the way too early Heisman lists, which I think is really, really interesting because he did throw for 3000 yards last year, a little over 3000. He ran for 380, but he did not play every game.
01:01:44
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He didn't start, he didn't become a starter until the third game. So you could argue that there's space for him to produce even more. And that would be really, really
Upcoming Season Previews
01:01:54
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interesting. um I'm not sitting here.
01:01:58
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Don't get me, don't get it twisted as me being a homer. I'm literally talking about the literature that has been written on ESPN.com as him being like a potential quarterback to look at for the Heisman. And this is going to be his first season starting the entire time. So that'll be very, very interesting.
01:02:13
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Um, I'm not getting on that train, but
01:02:18
Jordan
It's worth mentioning that somebody's getting on that train.
01:02:22
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I'm not getting on the train, but that, that has been, he has been a part of the conversation, which I find very, very interesting. Cause to have to look it up the last time that anybody from SMU was in a Heisman conversation. Cause it's been a minute, but yeah.
01:02:32
Jordan
Yep. All right. Those are our 10 questions for the 2025 season. This is our first of many preview podcast. For those of you who are wondering how the previews are going to go, our schedule looks like this.
01:02:48
Jordan
We are going to preview the Power 4. and the Power 4 only because we don't get paid to do this. Unfortunately, we are not going to give you a bad G5 preview that we don't have the information on.
01:02:59
Jordan
So the Power 4 and the Power 4 only on the Power 2 podcast.
01:03:00
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ah
01:03:02
Jordan
And then we are going to give you our 2025 playoff predictions based off of our previews. These are the ones we're going to stick to, and we're going to a little bit more in depth into that.
01:03:14
Jordan
And by the time we're done with that, we'll be at the season, baby.
01:03:16
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It'll be week one.
01:03:18
Jordan
We'll be here. We'll be here.
WNBA Expansion Announcement
01:03:20
Jordan
So, as always, we're going to end the show with our two-minute report. Our two-minute report presented by no one yet, but you know it's going to be a sponsor in there eventually. There's going to be... the let I'm just speaking into existence. There's going to be a sponsor in there eventually.
01:03:37
Jordan
Mine...
01:03:38
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I was like, who's getting it?
01:03:39
Jordan
Listen, mine is – both of ours are going to be two weeks late, but it doesn't matter. mom Because recorded this early and I wanted to talk about it. The WNBA, yes, is adding three teams.
01:03:47
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Yes, we're recording. We are reacting to this in real time though. It was
01:03:52
Jordan
I will not spiral and talk about all the things that this matters. Me and DJ had like a four- to five-minute conversation in the middle of the workday about this.
01:03:59
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about an hour, yeah.
01:04:00
Jordan
So I'm just going to talk about what happened. And the WNBA is adding Cleveland. Let's go. They're adding Detroit and they're adding Philly. Cleveland and Detroit are um bringing back franchises.
01:04:15
Jordan
This does not mean, it does not guarantee that they're going use the same branding. Although if Cleveland does not, I will riot.
01:04:23
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If Detroit does not, I will also riot.
01:04:25
Jordan
So we were just rioting. We just rioting.
01:04:27
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If it's not the Detroit shock, they gonna be shocked when they see how I act.
01:04:28
Jordan
So it should be Hey, look, you know what I'm saying?
01:04:32
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Like...
01:04:32
Jordan
and it so it should be the Detroit Shock and the Cleveland Rockers.
01:04:35
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Yes.
01:04:36
Jordan
And then Philly is a brand new team. This was also, um hey, this is also history because the WNBA has never had more than 16 teams.
01:04:38
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The 76 hers. Sorry, go ahead.
01:04:48
Jordan
So this is the first time that they'll ever have more than 16 teams. I am still holding out hope because this is not happening for some time. Cleveland will be in 2028. Detroit will be in 2029.
01:05:01
Jordan
And Philly will be in 2030. I'm hoping that in that five-year span still, they add two more teams to get to 20 by 2030. That is always been my hope if you've listened. And I hope that that is Houston and Nashville.
01:05:13
Jordan
But we'll get to that later.
01:05:13
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Five years. Mm-hmm.
01:05:14
Jordan
Right now, we're celebrating at the three that they have. It is two returning franchise – returning cities – and then Philly. um And this the last thing I'll say about this, because this is our two-minute report, is that in the span of Five years, technically seven from when it was first announced in 2023, but realistically in the span of five years from 2025 to 2030, the is going to go from 12 teams to 18 and maybe 20, because it is still time to add a couple more, but this is huge.
01:05:33
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five years
01:05:48
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to 18. wow
01:05:53
Jordan
As you know, we love women's sports here. We love the WNBA. There's a lot more further detail that we won't go into, like around this, this, but it's just good to see that the league is growing.
01:06:04
Jordan
It's good to see that I can't speak for everyone. saw outside of Houston, cause I do know this is true for Houston, but Cleveland and Detroit have been begging for women's sports.
01:06:15
Jordan
They've been begging for these franchises back. And Cleveland specifically has been passed over multiple times for the WNBA. They were just most recently passed over for soccer And so I think it's great that these two cities are going to get franchises.
01:06:32
Jordan
And Philly, I just think
WNBA All-Star Roster and New Show Introduction
01:06:34
Jordan
Philly's going to be cool. Like, it's going to have Don Staley.
01:06:35
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Philly's going to be so cool.
01:06:37
Jordan
It's going to have It's going to have the Kelseys. forre like it's going to have
01:06:42
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It'll be a good time. Will Smith going to be courtside. It's going to be great.
01:06:45
Jordan
listen is goingnna have thesies
01:06:48
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Oh, yeah. It's
01:06:49
Jordan
Got to have Mike Vick, you know? So I think that's going to be interesting.
01:06:52
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going to be a good time.
01:06:54
Jordan
So that's my two-minute report. The WNBA has three teams.
01:06:59
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My two-minute report is that the WNBA All-Star roster did get announced today. and we discussed already last week, I had found out in real time, that Kaitlin Clark and Defeesa Collier had been named um the captains of the two All-Star teams.
01:07:15
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The All-Star starters are as follows. Caitlin Clark, Nafisa Collier, Aaliyah Boston, Paige Beckers, Alicia Gray, Sabrina Ainescu, Neko Gumake getting her 10th all-star nod, Satu Sabli, Brianna Stewart, and duh, Asia Wilson.
01:07:32
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um In the interest of time, I'm not going have too many strong reactions to this, but Alyssa Thomas deserves better than this, and that's all I'm going to say. Alyssa Thomas deserves better than this. Now, is she still going to be in the all-star game? Yes, because Fia is going to pick her for her team, most likely.
01:07:48
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But Alyssa Thomas deserved better than this. That's all I'm going to say.
01:07:51
Jordan
This is front court, right?
01:07:52
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She's frontcourt, yes.
01:07:54
Jordan
So who would you take off?
01:07:54
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Aaliyah Boston. So that's the part that's frustrating is when Alyssa Thomas is having a seat.
01:07:57
Jordan
a
01:08:03
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And she gets disrespected a lot, especially when it comes to the All-Star. And I think it's because maybe she doesn't have a huge presence online. She's not very, like, whatever. Like, she really just comes, she plays, and she leaves, and that's cool.
01:08:13
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um But this is why the fan vote shouldn't count for 50%. And that's all going to say on that. This is why the fan vote shouldn't count for 50%. So the top vote getters were Caitlin Clark with 1.2 million. Nafisa Collier with 1.1 million. Aaliyah Boston with also 1.1 million. Asia Wilson with just under a million.
01:08:31
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Brianna Stewart with just under, just over 950K. Paige Beckers with 800,000. Kelsey Mitchell with 750K. Lexi Hull with 650K, which is crazy. Sabrina Inesky with 580K. And then Angel Reese with just about 500, which means that the both, which means that also the coaches and the media left Angel Reese off the starting roster, but again, she will most more than likely play because she will be picked um for to round out the roster. So this is not to say that this is obviously not the entire all-star game, right? This is just the starters, um but Alyssa Thomas deserves better.
01:09:04
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And that's all I'm going to say. Very happy for Paige Backer. She's an only rookie who will be a starter, but again... I'm I wouldn't be shocked if Sonia Citron Kiki Iria Finn even maybe Anissa potentially or not Anissa what's her name not on Connecticut not Anissa although she's doing great um Sanaya Rivers I wouldn't be surprised as rookies they may get picked up but um that is the all-star roster so the game is the rest of the reserves will be announced July six and then the game itself is going to be on July 19th and then the skills competitions on July eighteenth so
01:09:10
Jordan
See ya.
01:09:37
Jordan
so yeah
01:09:37
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That'll be a fun time. Also, fun little factoid, fun little plug. There is a new women's basketball show that just dropped. It's called Vibe Check. And you can watch it on Disney Plus and also on ESPN2.
01:09:49
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And that is where they announced the roster on their inaugural episode. So super cool.
01:09:54
Jordan
Hey, we love that. And while we will not be able to give you the full roster because this was pre-recorded, this is still relevant because this is the 14th as you're listening to this.
01:10:07
Jordan
And the game is on the 19th. So this is the week that this is happening.
01:10:09
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Yes. So we'll have our reaction to everything. the next time you hear us live, we'll be reacting to All Star and how it all went down.
01:10:19
Jordan
And by we, she means
Podcast Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:10:21
Jordan
DJ. Because I never watch All-Star Weekend of any variety.
01:10:26
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You should.
01:10:26
Jordan
But as always, thank you for listening.
01:10:26
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It's really fun.
01:10:30
Jordan
Let us know if we missed any questions or if you have any questions. And as always, you can find us on YouTube at Get to Finish Sports Network. You can find on at Sports Network. Network.
01:10:43
Jordan
And we will catch you live. next week for our first preview the 2025 college football season.
01:10:46
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All right. Bye.
01:10:54
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Yes. Yes. We're going to enjoy our vacations though. So bye.