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I-80 Football Show: The Kobe Slander Has Gone Too Far!!
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We're back with a basketball heavy show! In our traffic update, we discuss the Cleveland Browns using public funds to build an indoor stadium. Congrats to the OKC Thunder on winning the NBA Championship! We break down the Thunder's historic season, a few off season trades, and the fallout from Gilbert Arenas comparing Kobe and Scottie Pippen.
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Challenging Week and Weather Woes
00:00:12
Speaker
What's good, everybody? Welcome in into another episode of Get Defensive Sports Network's IAM Football Show. As always, I'm your host, Jordan. I'm here with my co-host, Dante. Yes, sir. How's it going? you it's It's going. I've had a week.
00:00:30
Speaker
Yep. that's that's that's That's what I'll say. Yep. I've also had a week. It's definitely been one. Yeah, so, which is which is why the episode's a day late, and honestly, which is we're lucky, y'all are lucky that you're getting one, because it it it has been a week for sure. It was 96 degrees in my apartment one day, oh inside the apartment, yeah, ah not not suitable to live in, because, you know...
00:00:59
Speaker
You learn so many things when when you live in New York for the first time.
Frustrations with Landlord during Heatwave
00:01:04
Speaker
And I was getting gaslit by my landlord and the electric company at the same time. Because it's like, I'm in my house, right? My AC is not working.
00:01:15
Speaker
My apartment's working at reduced power. So I'm turning off breakers into half the rooms. I have fans on that basically aren't running. and I'm talking to the electric company and they're like, yeah yeah, like my TV's turning off. Like my game turned off, my TV's not working, my my internet's not working, nothing's working and nobody can tell me why it's not working.
00:01:38
Speaker
And then it just cuts back on, which means the internet that electric company was lying to me. Cause they was like, yeah, we reduced power a little bit but it shouldn't have affected your fans and your And then it all just works again randomly. Like my internet comes on. I walk in the house, the fans are working. so I'm like, they're lying.
00:01:56
Speaker
They're lying. And then landlord's having an issue because he's trying to avoid doing anything about it. Just like, and then he lied to us talking about, yeah, nobody else is having this problem. We talked to our neighbors. they're having the same problem. like, you know what? All right.
00:02:09
Speaker
so yeah They want all that money. They want all that ability to just kick you out whenever they want and then have the nerve to be like... Well, yeah. What do you mean?
00:02:23
Speaker
You mean come do something? just Yeah, I had to tell bro in the nicest way possible.
Subtropical Climate Changes in NYC
00:02:28
Speaker
I'm like, hey, if this don't get fixed and I have to stay in the hotel, it's coming out of rain.
00:02:36
Speaker
Yep. why what What are we doing? like What's up? It's going to have to come out of rent. Because you think I'm paying for a hotel because can't stay in my apartment and then giving you your full rent three days later?
00:02:48
Speaker
yeah With nothing working? like This is inhabitable. My fridge isn't working. Stop it. It was It's cool now. yeah it was nu so but you know it's cool now And the weather because the weather is insane because it's like 70 degrees or or maybe even lower than what's raining today. And it was literally 100 degrees two days ago. so It is here.
00:03:12
Speaker
Still 85 degrees. Really? Yes. What is it here? It was 90 something at one point today. It was definitely like 92 degrees at one point. Yeah, it's it's
Zombie Apocalypse Survival Preferences
00:03:23
Speaker
exactly 70.
00:03:24
Speaker
And it was I kid you not, it was legitimately 100 degrees two days ago. It might have got up there for us to like yesterday or whatever. but yeah, not still. It was 90 something earlier today. It's 85 degrees. And that's only because it probably rain. It's because of the. Yeah, that's only cool down a little bit. And I got caught. man o of course. yeah Because I mean, because why wouldn't you? You you know, you know, you know, literally walk trying to because I didn't feel like I wasn't filling the gym this week, unfortunately.
00:03:54
Speaker
So i was like, I'm going to just get some sun, get some some fresh air and go for a walk. And on the way back, I was like, I know the clouds cover up the sun from time to time. But I like, is the sun going to come back out?
00:04:07
Speaker
And then I looked up and I was like, nah, it's not coming back. and yeah Those are storm clouds and i about to get caught. I wasn't even close to home when I saw that shit.
00:04:19
Speaker
who and That one's tough. that one true That one's real
00:04:26
Speaker
Supposedly... Wet socks and stuff. oh Oh yeah, that's the worst. That's absolute worst. Supposedly New York City is now yeah like ah ah trap a subtropical climate or something.
00:04:40
Speaker
So it just be raining a lot all the time. Like, like, literally the the climate really got like warming. Yeah. The climate, the climate new york evaluated. It's a subtropical. It's basically like the same thing as like Miami and stuff. I mean, cause it's technically like an Island and it's on the ocean, but it's a little further North. don't know. You know, I'm not, don't get me. People going to be telling me like, yeah, no, the sun's been out for more than like three days in Alaska. But, oh, it's the end times.
00:05:07
Speaker
Alaska had a heat, a heat wave. They had a heat advisory. You ain't see that? No. Same time the rest of us did. I was just worried about mine. Because the humidity percentages was crazy. Yeah. It was
Sports News and Conference Previews
00:05:22
Speaker
insane.
00:05:23
Speaker
Yeah. it was insane What a world. Right? And it's just like, and like so i I don't know if I've ever said this to you. I don't know if I've ever said it on the podcast, but um've um I've never been a doomsdayer, and I've never been someone that that like wants to live through an apocalypse.
00:05:44
Speaker
You know, like, especially men, men be like, I'm a survivalist. live I like my internet. I like to be able to cook food. you mean I like to not eat out of cans.
00:05:57
Speaker
I've never been like, yeah, I want to live through an apocalypse. And this last couple of days, solidified that for me. like I know my limit. My limit is no AC, no internet.
00:06:09
Speaker
like Like, I have food, bro, and I couldn't cook. I had to spend the money to buy
Ohio's Stadium Funding Critique
00:06:17
Speaker
food because we couldn't cook in the apartment. And so it's just like, and then, and I'm old. Like, you know I'm saying? Like, everyone makes fun of me because I collect DVDs.
00:06:26
Speaker
So I'm like, okay, no internet. I'm prepared for this. I pull up my DVD player. I put in a DVD. My TV cuts off every two minutes for an hour straight. I i couldn't even watch. So I had no internet.
00:06:39
Speaker
Can't watch TV, can't play game, can't watch DVDs, can't cook. No, yeah, you know? Yeah. So this to me, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah yeah i was I was never a doomsday.
00:06:50
Speaker
Like, you know I'm saying? Like, I never thought I was going to survive the apocalypse.
00:06:56
Speaker
It's solidified. I don't mean anything for why what? do we What are we living through an apocalypse for? Serious question. yeah I've always said that I probably could. I'm just not going to. Yeah, could and would.
00:07:09
Speaker
Yeah. i I remember I used to say i my all
Domed Stadiums: Pros and Cons
00:07:12
Speaker
the time to my ex, because she was like, if there was a zombie apocalypse, I was like, if i was like do I have to like legit survive in this scenario?
00:07:20
Speaker
she was like, yeah. And I was like, I'm leaving you. like I'm leaving you. Because I was like, if i can't if I can't just let it all go, then i was like, I don't want to have to worry about you.
00:07:32
Speaker
So it's one or the other. Let me go. like let me die. Like we could go out like we could go together. But like if I got to survive, I can't. It's like you're a liability.
00:07:43
Speaker
i Look, I'm taking myself out. That's what I'm doing. 24 hours of fun. I'm going to do some fun stuff. I'm going to rob a bank or something, you know, but like after that.
00:07:57
Speaker
It was a good life. Like, me you know what I'm saying? Like, what am I, what am I scavenging? Great run. Yeah, yeah, I had some good years. I had some good years. I did some things. I, you know, hey some goals.
00:08:08
Speaker
Right? Yeah, I'm cool. i'm not I'm not living through no zombie apocalypse. Nah. And any of them. Like, post-apocalyptic. None of it.
00:08:19
Speaker
is i I was like, I hope I'm single if it ever happens. Because it makes it easier. It makes it easier to to to let go. But, like, it's hard to try to tell your girl, like, I know you're not going to listen to me, so i don't even want to do this.
00:08:32
Speaker
wait thats It's not a concern. We both going out. It's been agreed. And that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what I said. We cool. We both. We can, like, one one, two, three, boom. Like, we just take each other. i see you on the other side. Yeah, right. But I'm not killing zombies. I'm not scrounging for bullets. I'm not doing all that. Mm-hmm.
00:08:56
Speaker
Not doing that. Whatever's in my house right now, when it runs out, when there's one or two left, Those are mine. threat You know, first. Because i know I know one thing. i'm not coming back I'm not coming back as a zombie. So, yeah.
00:09:11
Speaker
Oh, no. Oh, no. ah this is i was um I started watching Van Helsing, which is another zombie show. And i actually don't like most of the zombie shows. But I do like a couple.
00:09:24
Speaker
But, like, it's like I've never watched. What's the big one? I haven't watched any of the varieties show. I didn't even know it was that many. but there There's a lot, dog. There's a lot. And the original went on for a while, too like They got spinoffs and stuff. It's crazy. I ain't know that until like this past weekend. i ah Really?
00:09:45
Speaker
Yeah, no. I was at my my mom's house and a commercial came on for it and I was like... What you mean new? was like, what do you mean new episodes? And my mom like, oh, this is a spinoff. was like, why? what? I was like, they have for this, those have spinoffs.
NBA Finals Entertainment and Dynasties
00:10:02
Speaker
i was like they have games for this and those have spinoff She's like, yep. I was like, all right. That walking dead ah horse is beaten to the ground. They're still getting something out of it. but I was watching Van Helsing and it's a show. like It's a zombie show whatever.
00:10:23
Speaker
but the problem with that one is the zombies are pressing or whatever. like They can't control what they're doing but they know what they're doing so like part of the like part of the thing with this is like the the um and this i'm not spoiling nothing because you find this out like episode two like there's a person who can like turn zombies back human oh but when she does that they have all the memories so one of the dudes was like dog i i killed my daughter
00:10:59
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Kill me. So, like, I know that is not like the that is not, like, the through line of every... Like, not all zombies are, like, you know, that you remember what happened. Some you are really dead, like, whatever. But it don't matter.
00:11:12
Speaker
I'm definitely going to come back as a zombie. That might be the worst one. is, because, like, they come back as human. And they're like, yeah, I'm human, but I've been doing this for the last two years. And when I first changed, I murdered my entire family.
00:11:27
Speaker
Couldn't control it.
Basketball's Future Post-Major Stars
00:11:29
Speaker
yeah no that that's actually annoying to just sit there and just still have some of my like it's i'm i'm there but i'm not there like nah for real yeah i can't live with that no no if you don't turn me back just kill me like don't turn me back that's crazy no you know yeah that's i'm doing that right well yeah so you know what we You know what we do.
00:11:55
Speaker
Yeah, what we're going to talk about something. It's funny, too, because, like, it's mid-summer, and it's, like, we are so close to conference preview season, which is so good because, like, there's nothing to talk about.
00:12:07
Speaker
And I could do what, like, all the other podcasts are doing, which is, like, Top 10 quarterbacks in the Big Ten. Top 10 running backs in the Big Ten. But, like, I don't find that content interesting. So, like, I don't want to do that. Isn't a lot of these but of these players were like from different schools?
00:12:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's just – And it's definitely impossible to do. But, like, i get I get the media cycle of why you do it. But, like, I don't read those articles. And I disagree with most of them. And I'm not against people disagreeing with me. Like, I'm not against putting things out there. Obviously, i wouldn't have a podcast. But, like, I've never read any of those lists or saw those lists and been like, oh, man, that guy's smart. Like, that's a good list.
00:12:48
Speaker
So, like, I don't want to spend my summer doing that. Like, the only thing that we rank is coaches, I think. in the team, the teams like themselves in a way, but yeah.
00:12:59
Speaker
Yeah, but like, like I'm not who drop it. So like, we're in the middle of the summer and it's like, dog, there nothing to talk about. So this is the IAV football show where we talk about the Big Ten, but we are not talking about the Big Ten today. Like, but there's not a single topic that is Big Ten related. We're going to get in and we're going to get out while I'm enjoying having AC again. You know, the things that you don't realize you need in life.
00:13:20
Speaker
Especially while the internet and all that's still working. You know what I'm saying?
NBA Team Strategies and Financial Decisions
00:13:26
Speaker
So in our in our traffic update, our new segment, we only got one piece of news. The Browns got approved for a new stadium.
00:13:32
Speaker
And basically like Ohio, from my understanding, like Ohio has like a crap ton of money and unclaimed funds. Basically like
00:13:43
Speaker
if you had like a rebate that you didn't claim, right? $10 in your name or or the and the electric company charge you $20 extra on your bill or something like that. And it's just there. There's actually a website.
00:13:56
Speaker
So if you're in Ohio, you're listening to this, they about to use your money to fund the stadium. So like go to this website whenever you, I don't Google it. Cause I can't, i don't know the website, go to it, put in your name and your address and you might have like $20, $30 on there.
00:14:09
Speaker
But they got like a couple billion dollars of unclaimed funds. just like All those terrible roads. And this is what we're going to spend the money on? yes Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. 100%. they they got some law came into effect or something or whatever.
00:14:22
Speaker
And so they're like about to use like- No books for schools. I'm sorry. It's just- thirty yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know how it goes. They're about to use like $1.8 billion dollars of unclaimed funds.
00:14:33
Speaker
Not all of it is going to the Browns. I guess like some of it is going to go to the Bengals. It's all going to like sports things or whatever, basically. So, first of all, if you just check so you can get your little $20, $30,
Kevin Durant's Trade and Team Dynamics
00:14:47
Speaker
and they don't give it to the Browns.
00:14:48
Speaker
But the Browns just got approved to –
00:14:56
Speaker
to do their stadium they got more money so between the haslams who's the browns owner and this unclaimed funds thing the browns are supposed to be building that stadium in the suburbs somewhere and it's gonna be a domed stadium as is the case anyone that builds a new stadium now uh does a dome because they want to be able to do events there like especially in cleveland right they want to be able Which is crazy because they have a basketball arena.
00:15:22
Speaker
So I don't know, like, what they're going to do. Because I think they were talking about doing, like, every football stadium is immediately like, I want to do the Final Four. want to do that sort of stuff. But it's like, there's a basketball arena. So it doesn't matter. They're going through. They want to indoor stadiums. They can do concerts, the Super Bowl, the draft, that sort stuff.
00:15:42
Speaker
So, yeah, because football stadiums, especially like concerts and stuff like that, it brings in more seats. So that's more money. Unfortunately, what's silly to me is, is that that messes up a home field advantage for the Browns, in my opinion.
00:16:02
Speaker
you you' waitinging Because you're because you're gonna you're moving it away from the lake. So you lose that lake effect. whether it's especially in the winter or stuff like that. That played a role in that Steelers game last year.
00:16:15
Speaker
But, okay. oh And I think it kind of – it just, you know, there's something about
NBA Draft and Emerging Talents
00:16:24
Speaker
winter snow football that we're going to keep losing out on.
00:16:29
Speaker
Except for college. yeah but like every team in end but nfl snow games are great and we're going to keep losing out on them we're only going to have maybe chicago and green bay and new york no no chicago's building a dome too So Green Bay and New York maybe? for And we don't know how long New York's going to be at MetLife because they've been talking about MetLife has been a piece of crap for a while. MetLife is awful. See, they're going to hold out for a while because, like, where the hell can they build one at?
00:17:04
Speaker
True. But, I mean, the steel Steelers, right? No, they just sold the the naming rights. I don't know if they're going to be building something new in the future. Right, but they're they're not a dome, right?
00:17:16
Speaker
No, they're not. but So Green Bay, Pittsburgh, both New York teams. New York teams and... a ah um Baltimore, but i and we don't know how long that lasts.
00:17:28
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Especially, I mean, they keep winning. There's probably going be some money out there. ah the cause the Because the um the commanders are building new stadium.
00:17:39
Speaker
I don't know if they're domed right now, but the commanders just got to prove are not They're not domed, no. So they're about theirs, too. That had to happen. That had to happen. They have the worst stadiums.
00:17:51
Speaker
Out of any sports. It's not professional, amateur, it doesn't matter. They have the worst one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're they're doing a dome as well. They're moving back into D.C.
00:18:04
Speaker
Oh, they're definitely going to put a dome on that. Yeah, they're basically, so like they're moving back to their old stadium site. in D.C. I don't know. I don't remember when they moved, but they had a site in D.C. They moved out.
00:18:17
Speaker
They're right outside the city. And then, I mean, basically nothing was happening in that plot of land, but like they D.C. didn't want any sports venues or whatever, you know, whatever the politics. Most their sports are in Virginia or in Maryland. actually in D.C.
00:18:32
Speaker
But they actually just got approved to go back to that site. So like, yeah, call it 20 years and we're going to have less than five. if that, especially if we're going 20 years, less than five NFL teams that don't have a dome. And it's all about money.
00:18:46
Speaker
And it's all like, because they all want to be able to hold concerts and and events and things and make money. Also, they're trying to make more fans come to games than they know, especially at the end of the year. fan yeah and in it's It's true, but it's not.
00:19:00
Speaker
But we all know it's like they're trying to make fans come. So at the end of the year, tickets are still being sold and people are still coming to the games. But I've never seen an empty Browns game.
00:19:11
Speaker
No. Even when they're bad. Never. And they've been bad most of their life. My entire life. Yeah. Sounds like three years. Basically, yeah. We're gonna be we're really going to screwed if Buffalo builds a dome.
00:19:25
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Because that's their whole thing. Like, that's their whole thing. Honestly, I think the fans might, ah the fans my like, legit boycott that. But the thing is, they it may not matter. Of course it won't matter, but they'll boycott it. because that's yeah that again it's so and they it's part It's part of that whole thing.
00:19:43
Speaker
It's an aura about these certain teams that have these games. You're just taking them away. Yeah, so um I don't know. You know, stadiums take a long time to build, um but they they did get approval. So who knows when will be opening, but they're moving ah closer to their practice facility.
00:20:03
Speaker
they'll know The only thing that I'll say, and this doesn't matter because don't to Browns games that often, getting to the current stadium is god-awful. So it may help with traffic, potentially.
00:20:14
Speaker
Nope. if okay where If it's where they had where it was like being rumored, no. Okay. Well, never mind. It's going to be bad no matter what. so it's but Because the thing is, Cleveland's system, its system is stupid.
00:20:29
Speaker
So it doesn't matter. It also sucks because Cleveland's flat. and So you like if it's still up against the water... domed or not. like There's only so many ways you can get to it. And Cleveland's long. Yeah, Cleveland sucks. Driving through Cleveland. it Driving through Cleveland is not it's not fun. So it's it's going to be... It's going to suck regardless. And I think it's funny because the Browns just updated that stadium twice over the past 10 years.
00:20:58
Speaker
But they can't go to concert there, Dante. Yeah. What's the point of having the stadium if you can't have summer slam there? Beyonce can't come. Beyonce not coming to Cleveland anyway. You don't know that. If you build it, she may come. Beyonce not coming to Cleveland. And even she did, you want to know why she's not? There's a reason. She went to the big markets for a reason.
00:21:21
Speaker
That's where I'm getting all my money from. Yeah. else those Again, how much was your ticket?
00:21:30
Speaker
She's not coming to Cleveland. And they don't matter. She's going to make our broke asses travel to her. She's not coming here.
00:21:43
Speaker
i know multiple people who went to Chicago to see her because she wasn't going to them. Yeah, I mean, you know, Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift we' go to Cleveland. They can get Taylor Swift.
00:21:53
Speaker
but that one I don't know. Maybe Sabrina Carpenter start doing it. They're going to get the country arts. that's what they go give They're going to get them. Yeah, but like, Beyonce ain't coming here.
00:22:06
Speaker
Beyonce's just not going to come here. It's not a big enough market. No. And if you're going to go to Ohio, well, no. No, you would go to Columbus. No, they're just going to skip Ohio.
00:22:18
Speaker
Yeah. Because there's not I was going to say Columbus, but not a be there's not a stadium big enough. There's not a stadium in Columbus, and Columbus people are terrible to performers. That's why they don't never come to Columbus.
00:22:29
Speaker
See, y'all Columbus people are weird. Columbus people are terrible to performers. That's why they never come back here. People always keep asking, me like, why da why y'all won't come to Columbus? And then you see a video of somebody throwing a chair at a performer, and they're like, that's why.
00:22:43
Speaker
That's why they don't come here. Okay. All right, then. Well, there you have it. Browns are getting the new stadium. um Eventually. So, yeah, that's fun, I guess. It'd be like 2030-something.
00:22:57
Speaker
Was it 2020? You know what? They'll probably start in 2030. They'll start in 2030? No, no, no, no. You said 2030. And I was like, right, it's not going to take that long. It's 2035. Like 2030 is around the corner.
00:23:10
Speaker
No, no, I was forgetting how close we were in 2030. Like, that's what I was saying.
Sneaker Fashion Clash
00:23:14
Speaker
They'll probably start in 2027 and it won't be done until 2032, 2033. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. That's about right.
00:23:22
Speaker
um That's cool. We love that. But yeah. If you're in Ohio, go get y'all unclaimed funds because they're giving to the Browns. Don't help the Browns get a new stadium. Do not help them. I mean, they still going to get them, but, like, get your money. Like, your funds won't go to the stadium. Claim your shit.
00:23:41
Speaker
Somebody else's. Yeah, that's that's that's that's the message. Claim it. So, yeah, basketball. That's what we're talking about on the IA football show. This is the football podcast. but We're talking about basketball because that's the only thing that's happened right now.
00:23:55
Speaker
And I'm sure as hell not talking about hockey. And I'm not talking about baseball in the middle of baseball season. Like, I follow the Yankees. Like, I'm not going to like talk about June baseball. Like, stop. Oklahoma City won the championship. They won in seven. I don't remember what you said about it. I think you said that they were going to win. I don't think you had it in seven.
00:24:12
Speaker
So how do you feel about how it went? I don't know how many games I
Kobe Bryant's Legacy Reflection
00:24:17
Speaker
had. I didn't think Indiana would get three wins. I probably had five or six knowing me. um I think it was a very entertaining finals.
00:24:28
Speaker
Yeah. um ah Yeah.
00:24:32
Speaker
I've seen the chatter. I've seen the talk. Talk about like it. And this happened this has been happening since Bron's been old, pretty much. But since he's not always since he came to the Lakers and he's not been in the finals picture every year everybody keeps saying how boring it is. And I was like, I think it's kind of quick how people forget how bored they were from 2015 to 2019.
00:24:58
Speaker
People forget how bored they were. We went into the season knowing who going be in the finals and no one cared. Yeah. We knew. so ah And now it's been different.
00:25:10
Speaker
has Has any team... and No one has repeated. no one's didn't have Not even repeated. I know they haven't repeated. Has there been... Yeah. Has any team been to back-to-back finals?
00:25:23
Speaker
even like Even if they won one, lost one? Did Denver go to two straight finals? No. So, yeah, nobody's even gone to back-to-back finals. No. Nope. Yeah. ah Well, not back-to-back, but since these new finals, the Celtics are the only team to be there more than once in this past seven to eight years.
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah, Bucs have only been once. Bucs were only once. Yeah, okay. Yeah, because Boston lost the Warriors and then beat Dallas.
00:25:56
Speaker
Yeah. Miami went once. I did Miami go twice. Oh, Miami's been twice. Yeah. Miami's been twice. They lost to Denver and lost to... They lost both. They lost to the Lakers in 2020 and then lost to Denver.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah. So, besides yeah, I don't know. You know, i try not to talk too much trash about people who don't like basketball because don't love basketball, but like, It's so crazy to me when you say you like basketball and then these are your complaints. And it's like, you don't like basketball. You don't like this. was a fan of like a You're only a fan of a player. And if that player is not there, you're not you're not entertained because this wasn't in you like you just said it was it was an entertaining series.
00:26:34
Speaker
It went it went seven games. First time since 2016. and ah And the games were won differently. There were blowouts. There were multiple point leads. There was close games. like almost almost not There wasn't an exact buzzer beater, but there was close games up until the finals. I think game one was a buzzer beater, actually. Or at least close to one. yeah its it like Anything that you could want, it gave you.
00:27:00
Speaker
and Including some things you didn't want, because you got to start injured at the end. yeah like But even like that even that, they... They were competitive until what, the third third, middle of the third quarter? even without a middle of the third quarter, it was competitive.
00:27:12
Speaker
It was competitive the whole time. you i mean, you had multiple players who've been, like Jalen Williams. ah Dropped 40 in game five. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? There's something Jalen's cadence. Jalen Williams is the one. Yeah, he dropped 40.
00:27:29
Speaker
SGA was going crazy. SGA had 35 in that first game. Chet was hooping. like The defense was fun. Chet had great game seven. and here he heard He must have been reading. He must have been reading.
00:27:41
Speaker
yeah so and it's just like I also just don't understand. Like right like like you said, teams aren't going back. so There's no way you can say that for sure that, oh okay, she's going to be a dynasty. Pacers are going to come back. Anything like that. Even though they tried to trade up in the draft.
00:27:57
Speaker
creep Yeah, it's just like you don't like – you don't like watching young people succeed. you don't like seeing like, like, OKC could be a dynasty because they're all like 25.
00:28:08
Speaker
Like, are they going to be? Who knows? younger or They may never get back. But like, They're all young. They're all under contract for two or three years. They're going to get better. Like, I mean, the Pacers, they lost a year and a half, unfortunately. But, like, they have a young squad that's going to grow together. And so it's just – I was going to say only old person is Miles Turner and CJ McCaulough – or not CJ, but the other – the backup point guard.
00:28:33
Speaker
TJ McConnell? Yeah, that's his name. Yeah, yeah. Not CJ McCullough. He got traded. That was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was just like, i don't know. I thought it was interesting. I thought it was one of the better ones.
00:28:46
Speaker
mean Again, everyone talks about Game 7 is the best thing you could hear in sports. Haven't had one since 2016 and people weren't happy. Like, what more do you want from basketball? um Man, basketball is going to be sick when LeBron retires.
00:29:02
Speaker
Because it's like no one's even trying to watch anybody else. Like, they like when LeBron, Steph, KD, and them are out the league, like, I don't think it's going to actually affect the ratings. and I don't. But the discourse is going to be bad. What the hell is, like... Yeah, the discourse is going be bad. But it's it's weird because the fact that those two, especially Steph and LeBron, was the ones going to the finals, that's when the dip in ratings started.
00:29:24
Speaker
Was that error? Because you didn't keep seeing him. Yeah. And now you're upset because you're not seeing him. He's 40!
00:29:32
Speaker
not supposed to be back in the finals. No. You know who's supposed to be in the finals? SGA is supposed to be in the finals. Anthony Everett is supposed to be in the finals. Jason Taylor is supposed be in the finals. That's who you're Some these teams are too young to be there or were or they too they're too young to be dynasties.
00:29:51
Speaker
Kobe Bryant was 21. Shaq was like 26, 27.
00:29:56
Speaker
They were young. That... twenty seven they were young that oh Those New Jersey Nets teams, they were young.
00:30:07
Speaker
That Iverson team, that was young. um so bought The Pistons, they were young. Yeah. jordan and even Jordan's first run was young.
00:30:19
Speaker
like And even like even with them, right? like They're older in that they all went to college, a lot of them, but they're young in NBA years because Jordan won his first in year six.
00:30:31
Speaker
So like he was 30, maybe, whatever, 28, whatever, because he went to college, but and was still year six. I don't know if, like, you know... whatever. right like i don't want basketball like that. I try not to crap too much on people, but it's just weird.
00:30:47
Speaker
Because if it's not supposed to happen when they're young, and I think that's the perfect time for a dynasty to happen because then you need time for a dynasty to happen. yeah you need For it to become a dynasty, when does it happen?
00:30:59
Speaker
Because people sit there and be like, the Golden State Warriors were young. There is a reason why they were calling Steph the baby-faced assassin. Yep. Because he was young.
00:31:11
Speaker
Clay was young. Draymond was only in his third year. I mean, so I know they won a couple of years ago, but before that, when was their last one? Was it 2017? Who? Or 2018, the Warriors.
00:31:23
Speaker
not Not the most recent one, but like when with KD, it was 2017 or 18? think was ah six years ago So you take away six years. Yeah, 2017, 2018, one of those. No, no. That's eight years ago. My God, I can't do math. That's eight years ago. So, like, yeah, they were young because Steph is, like, 37 now. So, again, he got another one. But, like, his third ring, like, that run they were on would have been 26. 2016, So 2017, their 2018. last one was 2018. Steph is 35 something that? 36, 35, something like yeah. in that run, he was 27, 28. Like, yeah.
00:31:53
Speaker
so stepie thirty five now something like that you so something yeah so in that run he was twenty seven twenty eight like Yeah, so I don't know. seeing the crime. Like, don't know.
00:32:05
Speaker
Yeah, i don't know. Basketball discourse is awful. It's annoying. They suck at it. Shout out to SGA. Shout out them boys down there. um And I think, like, basketball is going to get interesting again ah for the people who actually want it to be interesting because, like, the best teams in the next couple of years are all going to be built through the draft.
00:32:27
Speaker
do you Have you looked at the Spurs roster recently? No. If the Spurs, if the players work out, the Spurs are about to be nasty.
00:32:38
Speaker
First of all, they have two back-to-back defensive players the other year. And then they have De'Aaron Fox. And there's a, it's probably going to be Cooper Flagg, like if you think, but like the the the guy that they just got this year, Dylan Harper,
00:32:54
Speaker
has a really good chance to be defensive player, rookie roie of the year. So they have, they could potentially have three straight rookie of the year, all drafted by them.
00:33:09
Speaker
They add in De'Aaron Fox, and Wimpy's going to win defensive player of the year, which is why i kept stumbling over that in the next year. So the only reason he didn't win it this year is because he got injured. So, like, that's another young squad that has players at every position, and they're spread out. Like, they're just, like, i just am okay, C was drafted. like ah the Celtics.
00:33:32
Speaker
I just don't understand how you could sit here and be like, this is boring or the league is going to dry up when Wilson A retires. where you got You got a seven-foot point guard in Denver like And he does stuff. out ah I've seen some great passes.
00:33:52
Speaker
And he do some passes. You're just like, okay. yeah luke You got Luka. You got of nature in San Antonio. you got a freaka danger in san antonio he you Even the ones that you don't talk about a lot. Pablo Banqueiro. I was just about to say him because people forget because he's stuck down there in Orlando. He's open.
00:34:18
Speaker
don't know. I don't follow enough to know if guy that they traded for is actually going to make them anything. They gave up everything for him. Orlando might be something. Paulo is nice. like Yeah, like, so... There's some teams. there's thiss There's a lot of players in the league right now that are excited to watch.
00:34:35
Speaker
I'm still excited watching Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell's young. Yeah. I love Donovan. It's just because he has a success system. He feels old. Yeah, he feels old, but he's young.
00:34:48
Speaker
He's only been in league like five years, five, six years. Yeah. I think it's like seven or eight. but it my Because he's been on the Cavs for two. And he completed his rookie contract with the Jazz.
00:35:01
Speaker
So it's got to be six at least, right?
00:35:06
Speaker
Either way, it's less it's it's it's not many. It's not 10 years. Yeah, definitely 10. I don't think he's 30 yet. No, he's 28. Yeah.
00:35:17
Speaker
He'll be turning 29. yeah So, yeah, basketball's in a good place. He's judged in 2017. Okay. So, eight years. He's almost at eight years.
00:35:31
Speaker
Okay. He's a vet, but he's a young vet. Like you're saying, he's still young. like You know what I mean? like He's intern in his prime, so... That's going to play. Good play. Shout out to OKC.
00:35:43
Speaker
It's more basketball. um Kevin Durant's traded again. ah Surprise, surprise. OK, so this time it's not he never he didn't ask for. Oh, that's not what I was about to say.
00:35:55
Speaker
I was going to say surprise, surprise. The Phoenix Suns didn't work. And I'd never thought that was going work. So once you gutted your once you gutted your defense and in your your your depth, it was never going to work.
00:36:08
Speaker
It was never going to work. which is why Which is why I love the fact that like teams are being built through the draft again. like people are like No one wants to talk about it because it's boring, but that second apron that they put in may end up saving basketball. In like five or so years, because like think again, done like the Cavs. And it's going to start making... You're right, because then it's going to start making teams go, well, you know...
00:36:36
Speaker
Austin Reeves, you're nice, but you're not a superstar. So why are we giving you a max contract?
00:36:45
Speaker
Like, it's going to be... Like, there's going to be people like... those Those terrible contracts that happen... The Chandler Parsons contracts? Yes. We're not going to... Look, Chris Paul...
00:36:57
Speaker
do Chris Paul, great player, legend, going to be in the Hall of Fame. His last contract has been nothing but terrible for any team that had him. He's helped those teams, don't get me wrong, but it's a terrible contract. It's an awful contract.
00:37:13
Speaker
ain't no but Ain't nobody going to give a Bradley Beal his contract ever again. welcome Because then you can't trade him. Doesn't Bradley Beal have that contract and a no-trade clause? he is the Him and LeBron James are the only two players in the league that have a no-trade clause. Giving Bradley Beal no-trade clause was insane.
00:37:31
Speaker
Whose idea was that? Washington and they're a terrible franchise. Well... they There you go. There have it. ah Yeah, that's tough. Because they traded away John Wall and then gave him the extinitial. The no trade, col street clothes yeah.
00:37:46
Speaker
Tough. That's bad. That's real bad. But, yeah, so KD is traded to Houston. he's I don't think any team won that trade. No, no. He's going be hooping with A-Man Thompson, ah who is also a young hooper, like A-Man and Azure.
00:38:01
Speaker
Azure? Azure, I think is his brother's name. um another Another young hooper ah who's who's pretty good and should be fun to watch if you like watching basketball. So that happened.
00:38:12
Speaker
i don't have any thoughts. My thought is, like, KD be tired. But I just want all of them to retire. Yeah, because he didn't get traded to a championship caliber team, which he should be playing for at this stage of his career. But all of the three teams that he mentioned that he wanted to go to, none of them were championship caliber.
00:38:30
Speaker
i I said it. I think he didn't come close. Because I think if it San Antonio was one of those teams, yes. Yeah, they do. I don't remember if he won in San Antonio, but I don't think he was ever going to go there.
00:38:44
Speaker
but Especially because they would have wanted the number two pick.
00:38:50
Speaker
They'd have asked for it. You'd have been crazy not to ask for it. You don't need it. You're getting KD. You don't need that pick. Yeah, you need it. The Spurs had that pick.
00:39:01
Speaker
That's what saying. But you still already have Wimby and all them anyway and De'Aaron Fox and stuff like that. have taken it. they I already traded the pick. The number two pick? I wouldn't... And this is the first good bad draft in, like, five years?
00:39:16
Speaker
That was never going to happen. They weren't giving up that pick for 37-year-old KD. Well, yeah, no, but... they would be With KD, I think they become a championship-caliber team.
00:39:29
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe it's really that good for me. Yeah, no, I mean, yeah. what be I tried to, like... yeah i was I was... It's scary.
00:39:40
Speaker
i was I was real interested Wimby because I was just like, players like him, they haven't really like lived up. like They become good players, but they don't become what they said he was going to be.
00:39:51
Speaker
He's sick. He's sick. Yeah. So, Katie's traded to Houston. All... all basketball in Texas right now is pretty good because the draft is happening.
00:40:02
Speaker
The Mavs got Cooper flagged. So did they have... Didn't deserve it. No, not at all. And then that dude, oh my God. and so I literally said, I said, if I was the Mavs, I would fire Nico so he can't parade around with this lucky ass pick acting like he deserved it.
00:40:19
Speaker
And of course, he basically was like, fortune favors the bold. Shut up. like stop Stop fucking playing with me, bro. Don't play with my emotions. I'm not even a Mavs fan.
00:40:31
Speaker
Don't act like you traded Luka because you knew you going to get that pick. You got so fucking lucky. Because the thing is, if you don't trade Luka, if you didn't trade Luka, you wasn't going to get that pick. You'd make the playoffs.
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah. You're we're in the playoffs. You were in the playoff hunt. But they made Luka trade because they thought they said they could win without him.
00:40:53
Speaker
And then didn't make the playoffs. It's just so funny. It's like we don't know if he's going to be here because he's going to take his changes seriously and injuries. trade it for it. I just... Yeah. We don't have to relitigate it, but it's crazy.
00:41:08
Speaker
But, like, if they're healthy, the Mavs have Kyrie... Cooper Flagg and Anthony Davis. My only thing with Cooper Flagg, and maybe this is a dumb question because I haven't watched him that well.
00:41:23
Speaker
I feel like he's a four. Cooper. Maybe he's good enough to play the three. Okay, so I guess it doesn't matter. If he can play the three, it's fine. I wasn't sure if he could play the three, and so I was wondering if AD was going to suck it up and play the five.
00:41:37
Speaker
But if Cooper can play the three, then they'll just have – ah Just a big-ass lineup. Cooper 3, AD 4, and then whoever that center is. I don't remember his name, but they're going to AD points.
00:41:51
Speaker
Playing the 5. I don't know why his big-ass don't want to, bro. Stop playing with me. Like, you are a center. He is better as a 4. He's not even 7 feet tall. Your center. Okay.
00:42:04
Speaker
Stop being soft. And then, yeah, more trades. Boston boston shed some cap. They traded Drew Holiday, and they traded um the original the original of this 7-foot, 137-pound basketball player.
00:42:19
Speaker
hundred and thirty seven pound
00:42:24
Speaker
7'3 and up. Yeah, seven three And I don't think he saw 200 pounds of his life. Actually, no, he may have hit 200 in Boston. He was looking a little right. you hit the like eighteen Yeah, on 215. Yeah, I don't know about 215.
00:42:41
Speaker
I give him 203. The body is very, very... Yeah, especially when you're that tall. I know, I know. But yeah, the original of these, these, these, these height prospects who are seven foot and supposedly can do everything Chris, Chris Stapp's person is.
00:42:57
Speaker
And he's one of the ones where it's like, that that's the thing. Like, i was like, is Wimpy going to be Chris Stapp's? Who is, again, He's not having a bad career. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he's a scrub.
00:43:08
Speaker
But when they came out, when they were calling him the unicorn, he was supposed to be something else. And so, like, I was like, maybe he has an injury. I don't know. But Wimby's looking like he's on a different trade, like, on a different level than that.
00:43:20
Speaker
But, ah yeah, um Boston – said $250 million dollars so by It's going to be hard christ its um because of that' that second apron. It's going to be hard to keep a dynasty going because while they, like I said, these players don't really, a lot of these players don't deserve the money they ask for it. They're going to still ask for it. And they know somebody's going to give it to them. let me ask you this.
00:43:46
Speaker
Okay. Let's say Jason Tatum, wasn't NJ. Do you trade Chris Stapps or do you trade Jalen Brown? What if I told you both?
00:43:59
Speaker
was going Who's he going We can't afford it event we can't afford it anyway. We're not going to be able to afford it. I'm saying he he' getting he's still healthy.
00:44:11
Speaker
so You still want to contend. You just have to get rid of money. If you trade both of them, you're not going to contend. No, I mean, Kristoff and Jalen Brown. No, no, that's what I'm saying. i mean was Who is Jason Tatum going to play with in this scenario if you trade both?
00:44:26
Speaker
oh That's what I'm saying. like you because it's hard It's hard to keep the stuff like that going because of that second tech tax apron. But I think you could just get rid of one of them and you'd be fine.
00:44:39
Speaker
Not for long? Jason Tatum's extension literally is next year. Yeah. Not for long.
00:44:49
Speaker
Trading both is crazy. I don't know. I don't know about both, but I would, and the reason why I would like is because like technically, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown do some of the similar things.
00:45:00
Speaker
So would have kept the big and just traded the other one. That's fair. And me personally, i would trade Jason Tatum and leave Jalen Brown there. But I know that's not how they think.
00:45:11
Speaker
So that's why look between those two. I don't agree. i know. It doesn't matter. i i don't forget how long Jalen Brown's been in the league.
00:45:22
Speaker
One year longer than Jason Tatum. So probably like eight or nine years now. Yeah. Yeah. Like they were literally back back drafts. Still can't go left.
00:45:34
Speaker
he so It happened in the playoffs twice. He it was against the Knicks. He went left, got stripped, came back down. They made him go left and he got stripped again. Well, I'm getting rid of Jalen Brown and probably Drew Holiday.
00:45:51
Speaker
Hopefully to get a point guard, a real point guard, because Drew Holiday is not a real point guard. He's a defensive one, but he's not a real point guard. Who did they pick up? Didn't they get one? They got Anthony Simons or something from Portland.
00:46:03
Speaker
Yeah, Anthony. Anthony Simons, yeah. But I don't know if he's a real point guard. He's a scoring guard. He's scoring. That is what they need. No.
00:46:14
Speaker
And the thing is, is that I want, because the thing is, is like, if we keep Jalen Brown, we truly need a point guard because the ball needs to be out of both of their hands. They don't need it as much.
00:46:26
Speaker
like Jason Tatum. You're not a point forward. No, I don't care how much you keep trying to be. You're not. I wish you would find your own game, but stop trying to copy LeBron and Kobe.
00:46:39
Speaker
Because that's what you're doing. Yep. He is not his own man. And, like, I get it. Like, I understand that the jokes, especially if you don't get all of them, I understand why the jokes could feel, like, a little bit too far and, like, we're bullying him.
00:46:53
Speaker
But it's just, like... All his clips are somebody else's clips. His style of play is somebody else's. if You are a good player, like but figure out which... And that's why I would keep Jalen Brown. Even though even though he the he can't go left, he he's him. He does what he does. He really what he does.
00:47:12
Speaker
I still think he's the edge of that team. It's one thing to steal somebody's moves, but you got to make it your own. and he's He hasn't done it. He just keeps playing. And...
00:47:25
Speaker
Or, you know what, maybe, and it might not be fully his fault. I do think it might be the Celtics' fault as well. Because I hate the amount of threes and the type of threes he takes. Yeah, it's tough.
00:47:38
Speaker
it's They're not really truly in the flow of the offense.
00:47:43
Speaker
I was just going, you know, what can you do? They needed to do it, though. They had no choice. Boston had no choice. They had to get rid of some of that. I wonder what they would have done he wasn't injured. um They still would have had to do it regardless because Jason Tatum's extension is coming up regardless. His extension is insane.
00:48:01
Speaker
And his extension is going to be, again, remember what Jalen Brown got? I do. Yeah. I do. Jason Tatum is about to get way more than that. i think it is I think his extension's already signed.
00:48:16
Speaker
I don't think he has. Hold on. I don't think he's signed his extension just yet. I don't think he's eligible. i think this is the last year under his current contract. No, it was last year.
00:48:27
Speaker
because Because remember, um he's only one year younger than Brown. So they signed him back-to-back offseason. His extension five years, $315 million.
00:48:42
Speaker
And jalen's Jalen Brown's was $304,000. So it was only an $11 million difference. OK, so yeah, those two those two those two contracts right there make it hard to keep anybody around.
00:48:53
Speaker
Because i can't you can't sit here and tell me that as it Drew Holiday, I wasn't impactful and important for why we won the championship. Y'all couldn't win until I got there. Yeah, but... but but going to I'm going to ask for money. When you're I'm going to ask for more money because I helped and my contract's already expensive because I get $36 million next year.
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah. yeah like Yeah. You know what I really would have done? Hey, Al Horford, love you. You're a Celtic great. Time to go.
00:49:34
Speaker
Why did they give Derek White four years, 126? He's important. He's a very important piece today. That's 30 a year, right? Something like that.
00:49:45
Speaker
Something like that. 30. but Because I think both Jason Tatum and Dylan Brown are getting 50-something million next year. Yeah, because it's it's it's it's five years, $300. $60. It's $60.
00:49:56
Speaker
sixty it's sixty They're getting $60. They're getting $60 million. Yeah, because it's five years, $304, and five years, $315. It's $60. I thought they might be doing $52 and $55 million, but I believe it's $60 million. don't know how the contracts work. Does basketball contracts work like NFL, where they have sign bonuses?
00:50:16
Speaker
ah Yeah, but... So that takes it off the cap? The cap hit maybe $50, but the the dollar number is $60. Like they may be some like side bonus or something that lowers the cap. I don't know. because like so we're in a NBA contracts, it's usually they're front loaded or back end loaded. So like the first few years, it'd be like 30 something million.
00:50:37
Speaker
Like the first two years, it'd be like 36 and then 38. And then it'll kick in and there it go 51, 58, something like that for those next few years. What is what's that website called that does the that does the cat?
00:50:54
Speaker
Spot track is that it? There's a website that tells you everybody's project like We should know these people's money like that, but you can google it and you can see the cat. It's out there Yeah, it was spot track.
00:51:08
Speaker
So let me see. I'm gonna pull it right now So starting in 25 26 Okay, so you're right cuz it does go up. Mm-hmm So next year he's getting 54, and then it's 58, and then it's 62, then it's 67.
00:51:26
Speaker
Dante, I want you to hear me. 67. Okay? isn Guess how much it is in his final year. Almost 70 million. Probably 72 million. It's 71-4. And he's only going to be 31.
00:51:40
Speaker
he's only going to be thirty one And then he's going to ask for another huge contract. Well, because they're going to have to extend him in 28 because you can't give him $71 million. Oh, and that last year's a player option.
00:51:55
Speaker
So, yeah, he's going to decline the player option and he's going to resign for another $350 million. Unless unless he he does a fall-off, you know, unless unless there's a fall-off or – If he gets injured, then he'll he'll again yeah definitely he'll definitely accept that player option.
00:52:14
Speaker
It depends on how it looks in those at that time. Yeah. yes du These contracts are ridiculous. Funny money. Monopoly money. I'm pulling up Jalen Browns right So Jalen, it's only a little bit different. His is 49. So his started last year as well. Yeah. So his is he was 49.
00:52:36
Speaker
This year he's making 53. So this year they're going be making almost the same. It's 53 and 54. But then Jason does get a little bit higher. It gets his goals up. Then it's 57. And then it's 61.
00:52:48
Speaker
And then his final year 64. Yeah.
00:52:52
Speaker
um And they'll be trying to get extensions during during that. They don't have to. Yeah. And that's why they had to get rid of everybody. Yeah.
00:53:04
Speaker
They're both going to be making effectively 30% of the cap. So over the deal, they're going to be making between 60% and 70% of the league cap, like, on their roster, just those two.
00:53:16
Speaker
Yep.
00:53:18
Speaker
These max contracts are going to go down. They're either that or the cap's going to keep raising, which that's probably what's going to be it. The cap's going to keep raising because as much as they talk all this mess, they was the NBA still is making more money each year.
00:53:34
Speaker
Yeah. So my thing is just like, I don't know, man. I would have, I guess i if they were thinking future focus, man, i would have traded Jalen Brown because Chris Stapps isn't even 30 yet, which is insane.
00:53:46
Speaker
And he's only making 29 and 30 million. So you could have had one of the 50 million dudes, one of the 30, and then built a team around that. But I guess because it's hard to bring in those type of people.
00:54:00
Speaker
But how far do you think Jason Tatum, Chris Stapps, as your one-two takes you? if you If you take Jalen Brown's $50 million dollars and you spread it out, It's still going to be hard to do to bring a championship caliber a bench type of players or supporting roles because those players still demand a good amount of money.
00:54:24
Speaker
Again, someone like Drew Holiday isn't going to – I'm not going to lower my contract. I'm not going to ask for less because I know i am a key role player on a championship team. I have two rings to prove it.
00:54:40
Speaker
Yeah, so he's making $32. Mm-hmm. He'll ask for another me for He'll look for a three-year $100-something million contract.
00:54:56
Speaker
He already has that. I think he retires. Maybe. he still He still has three years left on his deal. It takes him to 37. Oh, he should retire, dude.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, next year he's getting 32. The year after that he's getting 34. His final year as a player option for 37. I think he should take it and retire. Yeah, he's taking the option.
00:55:18
Speaker
At 37, yeah. So I think this is his last contract.
00:55:24
Speaker
That's way too much money. um Whatever. So basketball is happening. um The last thing I want to talk about with basketball, because I know you said you don't follow the draft that much. Have you seen the Ace Bailey thing?
00:55:36
Speaker
No. I've seen people talk about him, but I haven't really paid attention to what what they're talking about. It's basically a dude who went to Rutgers who was supposed to be a top three pick. He still went number five, so the slide didn't go that far.
00:55:47
Speaker
And he basically was just like, he basically he was like, I want to be the star. So he was telling teams not to pick him. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he stopped, and he didn't do workouts.
00:56:01
Speaker
And he was basically, supposedly, his representative telling teams, like, if you pick him, he's not going show up. And then the Jazz picked him, which I think is a team he maybe didn't want to go to. So now there's, like, this, like, stalemate. And it's just like, hey, dolly, you're, into. Where were you going to go? No, I'm confused, though.
00:56:17
Speaker
My thing is just that he wants to be the star. Yeah. So where would he? Where?
00:56:28
Speaker
Supposedly he had a place in mind he wanted to go. or i more like I'm confused on that because in Utah, going to be the star. Maybe Utah wasn't – I haven't found it exactly. Maybe Utah isn't one of the ones.
00:56:40
Speaker
So that's the thing. It's hard to tell if it's a joke or not about Utah because people are, like, fake betting on his next team. So, like, I don't know if this was a joke where they're saying he's not going to play for Utah or if Utah's fine.
00:56:54
Speaker
But what is true is there were other teams that he was saying, I'm not going to play there. Utah, he would be the star. So I don't know if he's unhappy with that or not. Well, I mean – But – I don't know who had the number third pick, but any of those teams, you could end up being the star.
00:57:12
Speaker
So he wasn't going to be the star? in that Well, he was never going be number one. He wasn't going to be a star for the Spurs. the The number three pick was... um
00:57:25
Speaker
I know Charlotte had the number four pick. You could be the star there. Because LeAngelo ain't doing nothing or whatever. LaMelo. They ain't really doing much. 76ers. Three was 76ers. So he didn't want to go to the 76ers.
00:57:38
Speaker
You could be the starter. i He didn't think he could be the starter there. You could easily be the starter. Well, but the thing is, is that Tyrese Maxey is the future. So he didn't want to go there.
00:57:48
Speaker
Yeah, but again, if you end up being better than him. But, hey, listen. your your You're speaking logic to a kid who clearly doesn't have logic. You know what I'm saying? Like,
00:58:00
Speaker
So, yeah, I just thought it was interesting. i don't have any thoughts about it. I think whoever is in his ear is um aza yeah now that's weird cause he's hurting him for sure. Yeah, I get it. He better be amazing.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah. He ain't got no choice. like He has to be amazing. And the thing is, he might not be. It's always a change that no one. He's basically one of those guys where it's just like he has like he has a lot of upside, but basically from what I've heard about him is like there's a couple pieces of his game that are like such clear weaknesses they don't know if he can overcome them.
00:58:39
Speaker
Like I think shooting is one of them. Oh, no. Which is really tough. like you you You can you could always learn. The people who can learn to shoot, but hey that being a a problem off RIP is kind of crazy. That's that's that's tough. yeah and like You mean to tell me you were you're an end to bad shooter demanding that, talking about, i don't want to go.
00:59:03
Speaker
All right. Okay. Okay. These and kids today, man. ro i don't I don't know if you pay attention to Ron Harper's son went number two.
00:59:17
Speaker
So Ron Harper, both his sons are in the league. Yeah, saw Ron Harper's son. He's the one that went to the spurs. He's nice. Yeah, and I was like, like how old am I? hey this is is This is his second son in league. I know. That's what I was like. How old am I?
00:59:33
Speaker
Old. He's nice. Dylan Harper's nice, though, for sure. The last thing i had to say about the draft, because just thought it was funny. Duke put two white boys in the top five.
00:59:45
Speaker
yeah and And they're from Maine and Minnesota. like And, like, the whitest thing you could do is be 6'7", be from Maine and Minnesota, go play basketball at Duke, and then get drafted to the NBA. Like, that is, like, that's the white boy dream.
01:00:02
Speaker
And Cooper is nice. Like, we knew that. The other dude, I had never heard of him. His name is Khan Knuppel. He can ball. I've seen it. I heard he can hoop. I heard him. Cooper was one, too, at Duke. They say he's like a legit shooter who is decent with the ball in his hands. But they say he's an NBA-ready shooter. He averaged 20 at Duke. But, yeah, white boy from Minnesota, went number four to the Hornets. And then Duke's entire starting five got drafted.
01:00:35
Speaker
they They had three players in the top ten. They had a center go at ten, and then they had a The other two. Did Duke even have a season like that? I mean, I guess. Yeah, but they they they got stunned at the last second in the final four. Yeah, I remember them getting stunned.
01:00:55
Speaker
Yeah, it was like they were up like 12. And Houston, or was it Florida? Houston or Florida. Florida came back on them. Florida did that.
01:01:07
Speaker
Florida came back on Houston. like That's all they did. like Florida it would go down 10 and then come back and win. And so they beat them in like the final seconds. But they were nice. I think they only lost like two or three games all year.
01:01:18
Speaker
But just thought it was funny to have like two, like six, seven, one is six, seven, one is six, nine white boys from Maine and Minnesota who went to Duke, which is the whitest basketball school of all time.
01:01:31
Speaker
yeah And then they they're hoopers though. Like this is no shade. I just thought it funny. Yeah, no, they can ball. That I do know. So... Don't you worry, Sammy. That's the NBA draft. That's the NBA draft.
01:01:44
Speaker
So we're going to end the show as we always do, with our pit stops, which is in fucking saying, because mine is so stupid compared to Dante's, but I'm going to say it no matter what, because didn't have anything else to say. So as always, we end our show at the pit stops. It's our time for us to talk about something that sometimes that's not Big Ten related, although, again, this entire show is not Big Ten related.
01:01:59
Speaker
It's our time, like it is on any road trip. You got to a pit stop. You to get gas. You to use the back. You got stretch. got to do something. um And typically, if you're like me, you have to put on your shoes because who goes on a road trip with their shoes on?
01:02:14
Speaker
And my pit stop is shoe related. um No one's going to care about this, but my wife's in fashion, so I'd be seeing all this stuff. All of the sneaker companies are trying to release like loafers. like Loafers are back in style.
01:02:26
Speaker
I have a couple pair loafers. They're great dress shoes, but they're all trying to release loafers. But the problem with them releasing loafers is like they're not just like doing the thing where they're like releasing a shoe and then putting their logo on it and just saying, like this is a dress shoe with my logo. right They're releasing loafers in these shoes, but then they're keeping the signature of their shoe.
01:02:49
Speaker
So it's like a sneaker bottom. like Like everyone knows what Jordan, the bottom of Jordan's look like, right? Like new but like there's like ah there's like a silhouette of like New Balances. So they're dropping loafers, which are supposed to be like dress shoes, but they're keeping their silhouette.
01:03:06
Speaker
So like, for example, Converse dropped one. Everyone knows what the bottom of Converse looks like. They dropped a dress shoe and the top is a dress shoe, but the sole is still Converse.
01:03:18
Speaker
So they're all ugly. They're all ugly They're hideous. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please look them up. I've seen New Balance, Converse, and Jordan drop them. And every single one of them is ugly. And I'm not saying that they ever had a chance to be nice, but they're all ugly because the the bottom is a sneaker.
01:03:34
Speaker
Why are you doing that? Like, be for real, bro. Like, be for real. First of all, you don't have to do that. You know who's fault? You want to know why they're doing that? It's because all these athletes were wearing sneakers with their suits.
01:03:47
Speaker
feel like bugy We just don't give them loafers. better why They're all so ugly. They're so bad. like The Converse one is crazy.
01:04:01
Speaker
ah Imagine a pair of dress shoes with a Converse bottom. I don't want to. And I'm doing it, and I don't want to. Just Google it, because they're all... Chat, I gotcha. They're all bad, bro. so new this is What is it? Converse loafer?
01:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, I dont i guess. i think if yeah I think if you Google Converse loafer, they'll come up. right.
01:04:24
Speaker
Oh.
01:04:27
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:30
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Like, why?
01:04:34
Speaker
Why are you doing that? Nah. Why are you doing that? Nah, can't beat
01:04:43
Speaker
Chuck Taylor, what are you doing? Uh-huh. um I'm not even going to look up the rest. I'm not even going to look up the rest. Because cause the New Balance one the worst one in my life. don't want to know. don't want to see it.
01:04:57
Speaker
I don't want to see it. um but I'm going to let you get to your real one because like you typed yours out. I said, God damn. But, i want you I'm talking about ugly shoes. I'm going to put it out there. wait we My pissed off is this Kobe Bryant talk that's been happening and it just, every so often it comes up and comes but back place I don't know what it is.
01:05:19
Speaker
Like, Tracy McGrady came out and said that if he had Prime Shaq, he would have won a ring or two. Maybe one. I don't think two. And honestly and truthfully, I don't think one.
01:05:32
Speaker
And the reason is because people are wearing... athletes your fits now so it's like business and workout clothes yeah that's tacky sorry ah like like all the hold on hold on I'm sorry just cause they doing it don't mean they shouldn't you know what I'm saying like like let's not just do everybody these tacky fits but also just do what everybody else does put on a fucking pair of forces like that's it You can wear a pair of forces with almost anything. Just put on pair of forces. But it's happening.
01:05:59
Speaker
All right. Yeah. But, yeah, so I don't think Tom Brady, uh, Tom Brady, Tracy McGrady, I don't think T-Mac wins a ring with Prime Shaq. I don't agree with that one. I don't think he repeats, but he wins one or two for sure, I think. I don't think he wins a single ring. The reason why is the mentality to win a ring.
01:06:19
Speaker
And... Kobe Bryant said it himself.
Tracy McGrady vs. Kobe Bryant Debate
01:06:22
Speaker
A lot of these players are nice enough to win rings. Don't get me They just don't want it bad enough.
01:06:32
Speaker
And Tracy McGrady was one of those players. I'm in the league because I'm in the league. I'm in the league because it's fun. I can get bitches. I get all this money. I'm going out to party and stuff like that.
01:06:44
Speaker
I'm not here to win. There's a certain mentality that it takes to be a winner and to win. and there's ah And there's a reason why Shaq couldn't win with Penny. But he was able to three-peat with Kobe because Kobe had the mentality of wanting to get better and wanting to win.
01:07:04
Speaker
now i get Now, I've seen that there's you talk about that at that point in time in 2002, there's a conversation a about whether it was Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant was the best player and in the world or in the league at that time.
01:07:16
Speaker
It was a conversation for about half the season. Legit half the season. And then when we got to the playoffs and he stunk it up in four and seven straight fourth quarters, we all knew that we were wrong to have that conversation.
01:07:35
Speaker
That's why I don't think that's what I'm telling you. you you You say you think he wins one? Chat fouls out in that in in that in that ah and the again and that finals against the Pacers. Tracy McGrady's not doing what Kobe Bryant did.
01:07:50
Speaker
Because Tracy McGrady didn't show up into any fourth quarter in the playoffs, ever. Look it up. If you want y'all don't believe me, chat, people who are going to watch this podcast later, our fans, even you, Tracy McGrady has never shown up in a fourth quarter in a playoff game.
01:08:11
Speaker
That's why i don't think he wins one. That's why I don't understand this conversation that's being had here. Tracy McGrady was nice, don't get me wrong. But there was a lot of players that could average 30 and it didn't mean nothing.
01:08:24
Speaker
James Harden's one of them. Yeah.
01:08:30
Speaker
It means nothing. Like, there were players, there's a there there there is a certain, Allen Iverson averaged 30. Absolutely meant nothing.
01:08:42
Speaker
It means nothing.
01:08:45
Speaker
Just because it takes a certain mentality, and I don't think Tracy McGrady ever had one. Because once again, once Tracy McGrady had a competent team around him, they didn't make it out the first round.
01:08:56
Speaker
The Houston Rockets made it out the first round because Tracy McGrady was hurt.
01:09:03
Speaker
In 2010. Tracy McGrady wasn't there.
01:09:10
Speaker
You had Yao, Ron Artest, Shane Battian, Nicola Scola. I can't think of his. i can't I know who I'm thinking of. Can't think of his name.
01:09:22
Speaker
But that team was stacked. Lost to Kobe. And they only made it that far because he wasn't there.
01:09:33
Speaker
again When he was in Orlando. And they lost to the Pistons in five games. All those games could have been won by Orlando. If he just scored six points in the fourth quarter, they could win those games. Because they only lost by like three, six, five.
01:09:56
Speaker
He threw, he blew a 3-1 lead. He won it on players too.
01:10:03
Speaker
ain't ive um And everybody just talking, people just slandering, saying that keep, what's his name? Who was it? Was it Gilbert Arenas? Gilbert Arenas was saying that Kobe Bryant was getting Scottie Pippen comparisons in 2002. So I don't, I, I don't, I think people are misunderstanding that part of the conversation.
01:10:30
Speaker
I think people are misunderstanding what Gilbert was saying. The other stuff, whatever. What was he saying? Because I remember that time.
01:10:42
Speaker
Kobe Bryant wasn't being compared. Kobe Bryant wasn't considered a number two option back then. He wasn't. It was 1A and 1B. Even Shaq will tell you, I'll come with the jab.
01:10:56
Speaker
Kobe's the left hook. Kobe's the jab. I'm the right hook.
01:11:02
Speaker
it was he was not a set He wasn't a Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen has never been... successful i was like I don't know what he was trying to say. Maybe even been explain it to me, but to sit there and say that he was getting Scottie Pippen comparisons back then, which is factually inaccurate. He was getting Michael Jordan comparisons back then.
01:11:23
Speaker
What was he trying to say in that regard? It's because he was the second option? That he was just he was robbing? He was Scottie Pippen? Yeah. yeah it my so my be wopong He's still wrong.
01:11:35
Speaker
I mean, so my thing is, like, I don't think he i don't think he's wrong for what he's saying. He could be wrong for including Kobe in the conversation. But my thing is, because of the T-Mac thing who is also on it, you're focusing on Kobe, which is makes sense.
01:11:51
Speaker
But I think what Gilbert was actually saying is getting lost because of the other conversations around him. Because if he would have said everything that he said and and mentioned someone other than Kobe, because I like i don't have an opinion on Kobe because I don't remember. I understand what you're saying. I get what you mean. So I think it's two different. like I still think his point was right, but maybe he was wrong about Kobe, which i don't know.
01:12:17
Speaker
No, he was. Yeah. He was wrong about Kobe. I get what you're saying. The second option doesn't get... Because I know what he was saying, that the second option doesn't get the same amount of praise as the first.
01:12:28
Speaker
Klay Thompson... Who
01:12:35
Speaker
do you think the first... I guess we're not even going talk about that. that i was going to say KG or Paul Pierce, but Klay Thompson... oh I mean, Jalen Brown.
01:12:48
Speaker
Jalen Brown, things like that. So I get that. I understand that. But he messed. And you know what? That's Gil's fault because he's an idiot. You messed up your own point by bringing up a player that was getting comparison to the number one option while being the second option. people You know what's funny about that?
01:13:07
Speaker
The second and third ring, Kobe was taking more shots. And he was it was okay because Shaq either was fat or lazy or injured.
01:13:21
Speaker
Kobe was taking more shots to a point where that feel just like, bro, you're great. You're playing great. You got us winning games, but we're going to lose the big fella by the time the playoffs come. So turn it down a little.
01:13:38
Speaker
Kobe was running the show in those last two rings.
Ring Culture Toxicity in the NBA
01:13:41
Speaker
It was just didn't want to lose Shaq because we're going to need him.
01:13:49
Speaker
that's what did If he had never mentioned Kobe, I wouldn't even be talking about this. But you mentioned Kobe in that saying because he did say he was getting Scottie Pippen comparisons. No, he wasn't.
01:14:01
Speaker
That has never been a thing.
01:14:08
Speaker
Before he even got a ring, they was comparing him to Jordan.
01:14:14
Speaker
Like, that's just a lie. And Gil's an idiot. He's right. The one thing he did say that I'll agree with is that there was a conversation between T-Mac and Kobe in 2002. It just didn't last long.
01:14:28
Speaker
Yeah. It didn't last long because we saw what Kobe was doing and how T-Mac never made it out of the first round. Yeah. I'm not going to pretend to remember what was happening in 2002.
01:14:40
Speaker
ah sure I sure as hell wasn't paying attention the basketball. um I think like, and we talked about that on the other podcast, like a broken clock is right twice a day. I think Gil is right. And for those of you who don't know what the overall conversation was, the overall conversation was ah about how toxic ah the NBA's ring culture is.
01:14:59
Speaker
It started off of a conversation that LeBron had on his podcast. And I think both LeBron and Gil are right that they – the the ring conversation in basketball is unique to basketball specifically.
01:15:12
Speaker
Um, it, the, your greatness being like, I agree with that. i knew you were going to disagree, but like, it's a hundred percent true. Like like that, the ring culture is unique to basketball and the ring culture as it stands.
01:15:30
Speaker
And my opinion started when the LeBron and Jordan comparison started. And then it really blew up. Because and my and my thing with that is James Harden and in some of those other players are not going to be remembered as fondly as even, say, a Charles Barkley.
01:15:52
Speaker
Because at that time, not saying that championships did not matter, that's not what I'm saying, but where it is now, it was more forgivable to have not won a ring than it is today.
01:16:03
Speaker
And you look at greats in other sports, like I'm not going to sit here to pretend to know a whole lot about like hockey, but it's just a ah perfect example. Connor McDavid is considered one of the greatest all time. I literally just saw something the other day where he's the only player in NHL history to score over 90.
01:16:20
Speaker
points or goals. I don't know if you get points outside of just goals or whatever it is to score over 90 goals in nine straight seasons, never win a ring has multiple MVPs. You look at some of the people that they mentioned in and football and the respect that they're given in football, even quarterbacks who've never won Superbowl.
01:16:40
Speaker
It's, it's not the same level where the conversation starts on rings, where it is in basketball. Like, no one's going to call me crazy if I say that Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback all time.
01:16:53
Speaker
Like, the immediate answer is not going to be Tom Brady's six rings or whatever it is. It may get to that, but, like, ring culture helps. I mean, it's important in every sport.
01:17:04
Speaker
But especially once you get one, like, no one's going to – like, if Lamar Jackson never wins a ring, no one's going to say he was a scrub. but Wait, no one – But the thing that is that – No.
01:17:18
Speaker
I mean, they do. The ring culture in basketball is so bad. There were people saying LeBron was better off not making the finals and losing in the finals because of how heavy they know it. Like Patrick Mahomes is, I think, three and three, two and three or whatever it is in the Super Bowl. And nobody's like, man, it's a good thing. Patrick Mahomes didn't make it because his finals records is going to be bad.
01:17:42
Speaker
Like the reason in basketball is unique and it's toxic. But you have the thing is to think, but the thing with the, at least with LeBron and why that was a thing is because he'd like, well, he made it to, he made it to eight straight and he lost most of them.
01:17:58
Speaker
Like you made it there, but you're still a loser. Which is, ah which is uniquely a basketball conversation. Yes, it is. how How is it? How is it? and Because because they do it. for they do They do it. theyve done it halllaard They do it for Josh Allen. Think. of No, they don't.
01:18:16
Speaker
Think about how fondly the bills are remembered and they didn't win any of those rings. But the thing is, I'm not even saying that. But that's good but but that's hope. but But the thing is, Jordan, that's part of that whole lore is that they lost those Super Bowls.
01:18:29
Speaker
Yeah, but it doesn't affect the individual players legacies. I don't fully agree with that. There are people who have conversations about basketball players, and which is why I'm not intentionally only bringing up LeBron.
01:18:43
Speaker
There are basketball players who will who do not and will never get a certain level of respect, specifically because of rings, and that does not happen in other sports.
01:18:55
Speaker
I don't know if I can... They love Phillip Rivers. Never won a ring. Who is they? I don't hear people talk about Philip Rivers. Of the Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert of this tree, someone is not going to win a ring. It's going to happen because Philip Rivers was that one and Matt Ryan and whoever of that era.
01:19:20
Speaker
Basketball, the the ring culture conversation in basketball is on a different par than any other sport. It doesn't exist in baseball. It doesn't exist in basketball and in football. It doesn't exist in hockey.
01:19:33
Speaker
Like it it does not exist to that level. It is a uniquely basketball thing. And it's a uniquely social media basketball thing. It started with the LeBron game.
01:19:45
Speaker
And MJ, because that's how you tear it down. and they that's how you also have And that's how you also have that. But that's when it got really bad, because that's how you also have the Jordan's the GOAT because of six.
01:19:56
Speaker
But Bill Russell's not the GOAT, even though he has a million. Like it's a it's a it's a flawed argument. My thing is, is that no it's not. And I think people the way people listen to the argument and somehow and how sometimes a lot of people tell the talk, explain their side of the argument, because it's not.
01:20:22
Speaker
It's not always because Jordan has six, so he's the GOAT. It's on top of everything else he did. People bring up his other stuff plus the six rings. He's a five-time scoring champ or maybe more than that.
01:20:34
Speaker
ah the Eight or nine-time all-defensive team. But the thing the ring conversation doesn't just stop with the GOAT conversation, though. That's the problem with the ring conversation.
01:20:47
Speaker
it's not just It's not a conversation that's only held when you're talking about LeBron versus Jordan, which is why I'm intentionally trying not to bring that up because then the conversation gets lost in who you think is better.
01:20:59
Speaker
The way they view rings in basketball is unique to basketball. It is not considered that same way in any other sport. I don't know. Because the thing is, is like you said, that James Harden is not going to be remembered fondly. That's not true.
01:21:13
Speaker
He is. But Charles, because you said Charles Barkley's remembered fondly. And we all know Charles Barkley was a great one, an MVP, just like James Harden. The thing is, the reason why people use the ring argument wrong is because it can it's a it's a valid argument when used right.
01:21:33
Speaker
James Harden is a great, but there's there is a level to it, and i don't know why people act like there isn't. There's a level of greatness. There's levels in greatness in in between being great.
01:21:45
Speaker
James Harden's a great. Charles Barkley's a great. Don't get me wrong. They could have been better. And especially Charles Barkley, especially Charles Barkley could have been much better. Never serious.
01:21:56
Speaker
Same thing with James Harden. That's why sometimes that's why like when they're talking, especially like James Harden or Charles Barkley or, or, or Patrick Ewing or people like that, when you talk, when they, when they talk, it's like, well, yeah, you were great, but you, you didn't care that
Champion's Mentality in Sports
01:22:12
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much.
01:22:12
Speaker
You could have been a champion. Yeah. These are these. the problem was The problem with the conversation that you're having, because we do this all the time, is you see the argument for what it should be and not for what it is, especially because you don't value anyone in the media.
01:22:30
Speaker
So you say, this is how you should look at rings. If you use the argument this way, it makes sense. The problem is it's not being used that way. So you can't look at the argument as like, well, if it's used correctly, it's a good thing. The point is it's used incorrectly, specifically in basketball, which then makes it toxic.
01:22:49
Speaker
The reason why it's also different in basketball is because it's five people in the court. why it's always also used different in basketball and it's different in basketball because it's five people No, that it's different in basketball it because of Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless and television.
01:23:08
Speaker
What I'm saying is is that why ring or rings can have a little more weight than baseball or especially football is that ah whether people like to agree with it or admit it or not, peep up one singular player can legit win you a championship.
01:23:29
Speaker
They can't. in in In the NBA. There's not one player who's ever won a championship. but you It's a team. It's definitely a team accomplishment. You need a good team around you.
01:23:40
Speaker
But when push comes to shove or or it's time for a takeover moment or moments in a in a especially a final series, one player can win you a championship.
01:23:51
Speaker
It can be one one player can win you a championship. Because so like the thing is like what LeBron said, he was like, you mean to tell me that people like Vince Carter or Steve Nash is not in the same talking realms as him or Kobe?
01:24:04
Speaker
No, they're not. theyre they They're not. They're great. But then there's y'all. late They're great. They were great basketball players. And then there's y'all.
01:24:18
Speaker
And the thing is, I've said it, theres there is a mentality that comes with it, with being that great where you go win. And while Allen Iverson, beloved, is not on the same level as somebody like LeBron or Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. He's not there.
01:24:40
Speaker
He's not on that level when it comes to basketball talent. Influence? That's a different conversation. Different conversation. But basketball, strictly basketball, great, not on that same level.
01:24:53
Speaker
I'll tell you this much. there's red like I could give you three levels. Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant. And you not you're not going to sit here and disagree with me. and and But the thing is, my thing with the conversation is is not even that rings are not important or this, that, and the third.
01:25:11
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But I think that there is truth to the fact that how rings are viewed in basketball is not similar in any other sport for any other star player.
01:25:24
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Of anything. And so there is a toxicity. Because I don't know. because I would say I would say. Ring culture or the ring discussion is a very big reason as to why people think Tom Brady's the GOAT.
01:25:42
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Because talent-wise, he would be sixth or seventh in my eyes. But the fact that he has that many rings and been there, matter of fact, matter of fact, matter of fact, here's the thing.
01:25:55
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People were, hold on, hold on, hold hold Jordan. People were saying on live television that Eli Manning was a first ballot Hall of Famer because he had two off of Tom Brady.
01:26:07
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but ring culture is not toxic in other sports. It's not, it's not the same. It's not the same, but it's not toxic. I mean, you argue ring culture can be toxic anywhere, but basketball is basketball. I'll give you that. It's worse, but it's bad in an event. Cause again, people were trying to say a literal 50, 50 quarterback and every statistical thing that he owns is a first ballot hall of famer because he took two off of Tom Brady.