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Power Two Podcast: The House Settlement is done, Now What??
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This week, DJ and Jordan break down the House settlement and how this will change the NIL landscape. So much is still up in the air but one this is for sure: it is a new era. Plus DJ reacts to the Pacers insane Game 1 comeback and the Valkyries blowing the Aces out.
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Introduction and Podcast Name Mishap
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Jordan
What's good everybody? Welcome to another episode of Get Defensive Sports Network's Power 2 Podcast. As always, I'm your host Jordan and I'm here with my co-host DJ.
00:00:19
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes, yes, welcome to another to another episode of Get Offensive Podcast. um
Weekly Life and Coco Gauff's Victory
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This is not Get Offensive Podcast, this is Power 2 Podcast, sorry.
00:00:27
Jordan
um See, this will happen when you try to steal my shot.
00:00:30
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Get Offensive Sports Network. I wasn't trying to steal your shine, i actually got thrown off because I couldn't tell if you can hear me or not. Anyways, hey
00:00:38
Jordan
you breathing?
00:00:39
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You know, i am taking each breath very, very carefully. ah How about you?
00:00:46
Jordan
Maybe not as careful, but I am breathing.
00:00:49
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You know, that's all we can do in these days and times, in this ghetto world. How was your week? What's cooking with you?
00:00:58
Jordan
It was a week. and I don't even say that like it was a bad week. it It was just a week. You know, sometimes you have days and weeks that just sort of go past. Like they just kind of happen.
00:01:10
Jordan
It was one of those. Nothing special.
00:01:12
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yeah
00:01:12
Jordan
Nothing spectacular. Not good, not bad. It was a week that existed. Days happened. The next day happened. And here we are recording the podcast.
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I agree. It pretty boring week because i had to wait until Thursday for basketball again. We'll talk about that in a second. um But other than that, yeah, um was just chilling, doing that little job.
00:01:39
Jordan
I got some bills. You know how goes.
00:01:41
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Oh my gosh, please don't talk about bills. Because I still cannot believe my parents brought me into this world knowing that I would have to pay bills one day.
00:01:42
Jordan
Hmm.
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Like, I just feel like that's so irresponsible. um And I talk to them about that constantly. About like, you knew that one day there was going to be mail coming to my house with my name on it and a dollar amount. And you did nothing to avoid
Sportsmanship and Narrative in Sports
00:01:58
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that.
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Yes.
00:01:59
Jordan
No. Childish. Should be illegal. We should be able to sue for back pay. ah We will talk about back pay today, but not not of the kind that you can request from your parents, unfortunately.
00:02:05
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Yes.
00:02:11
Jordan
um Anyways, to get into the news, there is some good news, there is some whatever news, and then there's some
00:02:18
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Interesting news. Yes!
00:02:19
Jordan
Yeah, and you know, but we're covering all the things. The good news, the great news, the the wonderful news is Coco Gauff won the French Open.
00:02:22
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:02:26
Jordan
Shout out to Coco Gauff. Love that for her. As a reminder of those who care-ish but don't know, Coco Gauff just turned 21. She won her first major at 19.
00:02:38
Jordan
So we are going to get a lot of Coco Gauff. um And this is exciting. i don't watch tennis or pay attention to tennis, but I love black women in tennis. So I always kind of have like an idea of what they're doing.
00:02:49
Jordan
um She's the first American woman to win Fronts Open since Serena did it 10 years ago.
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Oh, yeah.
00:02:55
Jordan
And um because that dusty ass rapper decided to get Naomi Osaka pregnant, we we just haven't had you know, like we didn't go on
00:03:01
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oh yeah
Aaron Rodgers' Surprising Move
00:03:05
Jordan
the run that we thought we were going go on.
00:03:07
Jordan
ah Naomi was out. came back, was losing a little bit. Coco, as is the typical case when you're 20 and you're playing against 28-year-olds, she struggled a little bit.
00:03:18
Jordan
And then in the last year, she kind of like came back on. She got all the way up to number two in the world, I believe. And then she won the French Open against a hater who
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The biggest hater ever.
00:03:32
Jordan
Like, be for real.
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I have never seen such...
00:03:35
Jordan
Whoa, whoa. I think Maria Sharapova was the biggest hater. And everyone tried to see, okay, so seri Maria Sharapova was Serena Williams' rival.
00:03:39
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I say I haven't seen that.
00:03:46
Jordan
quote unquote, who almost never beat her, who just got spanked around for like 10 years, but it was a rivalry.
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Oh. Yes.
00:03:55
Jordan
I think she may still get the biggest hater card, but this girl's trying it because this is the same girl who Coco beat in 22 years ago.
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and for her other major.
00:04:02
Jordan
So, yeah, for for those of you who don't know we're talking about, Shorty lost.
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Yeah.
00:04:08
Jordan
um And instead of being ah good sport, and i don't even mean like, when I say good sport, i don't mean like, you should smile and defeat and all this other kind of things. Just don't like talk shit.
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Don't be a hater.
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Jordan
That's all I mean by a good sport.
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Don't say stupid stuff.
00:04:19
Jordan
Like, don't be a hater. Like, you can be sad, you can be upset, you can critique yourself yourself, you can do whatever.
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Don't say weird shit.
00:04:24
Jordan
Like, I'm not saying you have to smile and wave and give out hugs and kiss babies, but like, don't go up there and lie. And so basically, she was up there basically saying,
Athletes' Career Longevity
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Jordan
I think Coco, like, Coco only won because I made mistakes, not because she played well.
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Because I made mistakes.
00:04:38
Jordan
That's not true. Seeing that, and the one that you were maybe potentially...
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She came back from being down sets. That's literally impossible. That's literally...
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Jordan
Yeah, like she literally she literally came back.
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What?
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Jordan
And i don't even know enough about tennis to fully explain this, but she came back. She forced a tiebreaker. She ended up losing the first set, right, the one that she forced a tiebreaker. And then she dominated the next two.
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Mm-hmm.
00:04:58
Jordan
Like, yeah, you did make some mistakes, but you didn't lose just off those mistakes. Coco was playing well.
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You lost because you lost.
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Jordan
like just say Like, just say that.
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What?
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Jordan
You don't have to try to down her and
Women's Sports and NIL Impact
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Jordan
be like, oh, yeah, and she it's not that she played well. I just made mistakes. Well, how about this? Don't make mistakes. How about that? How about she played well and you made mistakes?
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Be perfect.
00:05:18
Jordan
i have Like, you know what mean? Like, don't try to take away from her victory. Talking about, oh, I lost it. I made mistakes. And that carries, it don't carry weight for us because we don't care.
00:05:30
Jordan
But like, it carries weight in specifically a 1v1 sport, right? Like, you're directly trying to take away from the person that beat you. It's not like a team sport or anything like that where it's like, made mistakes or bad game.
00:05:39
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Mm hmm.
00:05:42
Jordan
Like, all these sort of things. and Like, no, no, no. was you and i one on one, however many hours. And she smacked you up. That's cool, you lost.
00:05:51
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And it's also just like, it's the optics, right? Because if Coco would have lost, it sat there and said that about her, then Coco would have been childish and unsportsmanlike and every word in the book and why can't she be graceful or whatever other bullshit they always want to bring up and make
00:05:59
Jordan
Mmm.
NCAA Revenue Sharing Implications
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up for the standards that black women are supposed to meet that nobody else is supposed to meet.
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And that's what pisses me off too because it's just like, You could have had some grace and you could have some class, but you chose to be a hater and you chose. And it's weird. It's just weird to sit there and not own your own mistakes and say like, hey, you know what? I messed up a few times.
00:06:27
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Coco got the best of me. like good luck Like good luck to her. Like whatever, blah, blah, blah. Or, or, or this this may just be a crazy thought. Don't mention that girl's name at all. Don't talk about her at all.
00:06:37
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Just say what what happened with you, what you thought about the matchup, whatever, blah, blah, looking forward to the next whatever they got going on
00:06:37
Jordan
That's... you know?
Title IX and Equal Pay Challenges
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Wimbledon.
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I don't know. and And move on. Why we have to do all this this extra? Oh, well, she she only won because I made a lot of mistakes. But she trophy on her arm, no trophy on your arm.
00:06:55
Jordan
And it wasn't that close for it to be a lot of mistakes.
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And it wasn't closed.
00:06:58
Jordan
Like...
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but Like, what are we...
00:07:00
Jordan
And and the other thing that i just think is funny... like Like, let's just say this was true, right? Let's just say this was true. What does that say about you? Why'd you make mistakes and the biggest matters?
00:07:11
Jordan
but you know what I mean? Like, like, like that's not taken away from her. That's still taken away from you.
00:07:15
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In the title matchup, you out here making mistakes?
00:07:15
Jordan
You went out and, and, and like, come be for real.
00:07:17
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that Couldn't be me, sister.
00:07:20
Jordan
You know I'm saying? Like, like that's, that's still your problem. That's not her problem. That's your problem. Even if you were better than her and you,
00:07:25
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And because basically what you're saying is I made mistakes and she capitalized off of them.
00:07:31
Jordan
So good job, Toco, right?
00:07:32
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I'm like, what?
00:07:33
Jordan
You know what I'm saying? right? right like and Like, we do that we do that all the time in football. It's like Vanderbilt upset Alabama because Alabama made mistakes. Well, Alabama shouldn't have mistakes. How about that? And this is a professional sport.
00:07:44
Jordan
This is a 1v1 sport. You can't even be like, I played good and my wide receiver dropped the ball. Like, I made good and I picked well and then my center fielder dropped it in an error and somebody scored.
00:07:49
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Yeah, it's just you.
00:07:56
Jordan
Like, you can't do none of that. Like, you can't be like, Oh, I set up the perfect pass and they kicked it over the neck. Or my goalie. Like, you in all the team sports, you could maybe you could maybe have played well. And so this is you.
00:08:08
Jordan
So even if it was true, do better.
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This is your fault.
00:08:11
Jordan
How about that? Because now we don't know. We don't know if it was mistakes or not. All we know is she smacked you up. We know that because my narrative now, if we're talking narratives, my narrative is that Coco, as a 21-year-old, was a little nervous.
00:08:27
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Mm-hmm.
00:08:27
Jordan
And so she let you come out to a lead. And then she locked in, almost got that lead back. You got lucky, won the first set. And then she settled in and smacked you up the next two. That's my narrative.
00:08:38
Jordan
If we're talking narratives, that's what happened.
00:08:39
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If we're going to keep it honest, that's pretty much what happened as well. So that's why I'm just like, I don't have time for that hating ass girl. I thought that was weird. I think it's so annoying when young black women win and do well. And there's always a white woman somewhere crying acting like something bad happened to her.
00:08:55
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And that's pretty much how it goes. Like, hate to say it like that, but... That's pretty much how it goes. Because, again, to your point, I forgot about the Supervo lady because Serena Williams is one of the best people in the world to ever pick up a tennis racket. So I was never paying attention to who she was playing against.
00:09:09
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um But to your point, like, it does give that. And, I mean, a lot of people talk about this all the time. Like, it's just the way that these European tennis players talk about tennis. Americans like they always kind of have a little bit of like shade to it because realistically black people have been carrying American tennis for like 40 years so there's also that like it's not just them talking about Americans but it's about the fact that American tennis is only on the map if a black person is doing well in it Serena Williams Coco Gauff Naomi Osaka I can't think of that dude's name but there's a black dude right now who's poised to be one of the first black American males to win since Alvin Ailey
00:09:19
Jordan
Yes.
00:09:28
Jordan
Yes.
00:09:43
Jordan
yes
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So it's like, you are, we're, we carry the sport at the end of the day. So I feel like there's also just an undertone that comes with like, when they're talking about us specifically and them just being mad that we be, we be whooping their ass.
00:10:00
Jordan
Yeah, I saw this thing that thought funny.
00:10:01
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Like,
00:10:03
Jordan
I want to be mindful how I say it because I'm not trying to crap on nobody else. But someone was like, they were talking about tennis and things like that. And there's like the thing is like, our best athletes don't play tennis. Like they don't.
00:10:14
Jordan
Our best athletes play soccer. Our best athletes play basketball. Our best male athletes in particular play basketball, football, and baseball, right?
00:10:19
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like play football and basketball. Mm-hmm.
00:10:22
Jordan
So like, yeah, your best athlete. It's gone. And that is your thing. That's what you do that is what That's why y'all dominate.
00:10:33
Jordan
And that's why y'all win. Because your best athletes play tennis. But every once in a while, when we get one of them good athletes that decided somehow got introduced to tennis, right?
00:10:36
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Mm-hmm.
00:10:42
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And they want to stay in it?
00:10:42
Jordan
Somehow got introduced to whatever. We run it through. Like, that's the thing. Like, congratulations that, like, technically, you're getting smacked up in a sport that a lot of Americans don't care about unless there's a superstar.
00:10:58
Jordan
like im Like, I can tell you what Serena did. I can't tell you nothing that happened in the last 10 years.
00:11:02
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I don't know nobody else.
00:11:03
Jordan
And then Coco showed up, and I can tell you what Coco did. And that's what tennis is for a lot of Americans, right? it's is' When we got somebody, we care. When we don't, we don't. And y'all had your little couple years.
00:11:12
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and Yeah.
00:11:14
Jordan
Y'all had your little couple years when Serena was out. And now you got Coco to deal with.
00:11:17
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And we're back.
00:11:19
Jordan
Now what?
00:11:19
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And we're back and you'll be okay. You will be okay. Make less mistakes. And then we can have a conversation about whatever else. Like, I don't know. I just don't like stuff like that. But anyways, this is not, this is not a ah bash European podcast.
00:11:33
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This is a congratulations to Coco golf.
00:11:34
Jordan
Hey, you sure about that? noll just kidding.
00:11:36
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ah
00:11:36
Jordan
You want to know what else I don't like? Aaron Rodgers signed to Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:11:39
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What?
00:11:42
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Bro. Why, why is Aaron Rogers signing contracts? Why are teams, why are front offices saying, you know what?
00:11:46
Jordan
What?
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You know what the missing piece is?
00:11:50
Jordan
You know what's going to do it?
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Aaron Rodgers.
00:11:52
Jordan
Aaron Rodgers.
00:11:53
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Like, why we – please, I want somebody to genuinely tell me how we got here because after he stunk it up with the Jets, I'm like, there's no way. Like, there's no way that there's going another team that's to be like yeah, we're going make you our franchise quarterback.
00:12:01
Jordan
Right?
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Like, there's no way. So when I saw – because I've been seeing the news – popping up and obviously if you guys are unaware we are obviously switching to topics to the fact that Aaron Rodgers signed with Pittsburgh yesterday um I've been seeing the news that he was like meeting with them and having workouts with them and doing all this other of stuff whatever like it's been buzzing for like a couple of months now that he could potentially like go over there but I just don't understand why nobody in his inner circle is suggesting retirement like why is nobody who loves and cares about him suggesting retirement
00:12:31
Jordan
Cause you don't have no friends.
00:12:35
Jordan
No one loves and cares about him.
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I'm confused because now – because in the Pittsburgh – Pittsburgh is a hard team to play for. Like, their fans are insane. I don't want to play for – like, there are certain teams where you can play for them and you can kind of get some stuff and whatever, and it's not going be that big of a deal. The Jets, in my opinion, was one of those types of teams.
00:12:53
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the Like, Pittsburgh, you're basically – you're running into the fire with that one, and you are not in your prime anymore. You're not playing your best football anymore. Like –
00:13:02
Jordan
Haven't for years.
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haven't for years and pittsburgh has championship blood like they're expecting to win a championship i don't know why but that is that is their vibe is that it's championship robust up there yeah
00:13:06
Jordan
and
00:13:13
Jordan
But honestly, I don't even care about this from his point of view, because at the end of the day, right, like, like, if we're looking at his point of view just straight up, right, they're going to pay you $13 million. dollars Okay. My issue is the Steelers' side of it, especially because, like, this doesn't solve anything. for because best
00:13:33
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Nothing.
00:13:33
Jordan
absolute best he plays two more years but what is most likely is he only plays one so the problem is even if you get him this year and it's the same thing that a lot of people have doing it's what the Colts were doing for a couple of years it's just like you still have to get another quarterback right like so like you're gonna you're gonna deal with Aaron you're gonna to deal with the Pat McAfee show.
00:13:36
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Yeah.
00:13:53
Jordan
You're going deal with him trying to bring in all of his friends and all of this sort of stuff and all the drama and all the stupid comments.
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Not the Pat McAfee show.
00:13:58
Jordan
you're go to deal with all of that. And then next year, you are still going to have to find a quarterback. So it's just like, how does this help you?
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Yeah.
00:14:05
Jordan
And like I understand, especially a team like the Steelers, we don't tank and things like that. But I personally, i would have, and I don't think he's good, but I would have, listen, look, to be honest,
00:14:14
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Signing Aaron Rodgers is tanking. What do you mean? What do you mean that is tanking? Maybe they are tanking.
00:14:20
Jordan
i would I would have played Mason Rudolph and or Will Howard because you're probably not going good this year no matter what, right? And if you're not good with Aaron Rodgers, you can't bench him.
00:14:27
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:29
Jordan
Like, I doubt they do that.
00:14:30
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Yeah.
00:14:31
Jordan
If you're not good with Mason Rudolph, you can try Will Howard. If you're not good with them, then you have a definitive definitive answer that the two quarterbacks in the building are not good enough.
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Yeah.
00:14:41
Jordan
Let me go get one in the draft.
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Draft one. Yeah.
00:14:43
Jordan
But like to keep doing this thing, like it just doesn't make any sense. And you keep pushing it around. And then you're not going to do it for a quarterback that's good. like If you're going to do it, get Kirk Cousins. Because at least Kirk is still decent.
00:14:56
Jordan
And you could realistically have him for two or three years. right like like Kirk is going to play a couple more years.
00:14:59
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Exactly.
00:15:03
Jordan
Aaron's not good.
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Aaron Rodgers looks like he's nearing retirement every game. Like, it looks like every single game is the game where this is where he's going to announce his retirement afterwards.
00:15:07
Jordan
Yeah.
00:15:12
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Like, I just, I don't know, man. and And we can make it about, oh well, the Jets environment wasn't conducive for Aaron Rodgers. There was a coaching issue. There was the... He had to bring in, what's his name? DeAndre Hopkins, I believe, as a receiver because he didn't have nobody to catch the ball and blah, blah, blah, trying to make it about the Jets.
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I really don't think it's about that. And I think that we're about to find out and just, we're going to find out when he plays for the Steelers, how how much he really is the problem. No shade to Aaron Rodgers, but it makes me so sad when I see athletes who have been in the game for a long time, almost like yeah almost like do this weird thing where they start to tarnish their legacy because they're playing for too long.
00:15:50
Jordan
Let's talk about it.
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I hate that. Well,
00:15:52
Jordan
Well, Aaron Rodgers tarnished his by opening his mouth, but he's he's also tarnishing his on-field legacy.
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well yeah, yeah, yeah. Like his on field.
00:15:58
Jordan
And I say this all the time, and you know this, and anyone who's listened to any of my shows for a while know this, I am the biggest advocate of retiring when you're on top.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:06
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Yes.
00:16:07
Jordan
I think Tom Brady should have retired after the Tampa Bay Super Bowl. And no, his last couple of years weren't as bad as what Rodgers is doing, but he had a couple bad years in there when he could have retired on top.
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I agree.
00:16:17
Jordan
Peyton Manning retired on top. That was perfect, right?
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Yeah.
00:16:19
Jordan
Honestly, I get it because he's been great afterwards, but if I was LeBron, would retired after to the bubble champion too. And like he's been good, but he hasn't had the team success, but like he's still playing good, so he doesn't really fit in this category.
00:16:26
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Yeah.
00:16:32
Jordan
But like so many players...
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I would not say he's playing too long. I would never, I would not sit here and say that at all.
00:16:36
Jordan
Yeah, so many players just lose it. They just lose it. Like, like why is CP3 still playing? You know what saying? Like, to at this point, there is probably a decent amount of kids who don't know that CP3 is one of the best point guards.
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Who don't know for real who he is? Yes.
00:16:50
Jordan
You know what saying? Like, it's it's just, quit it. Dwyane Wade played too long. His last couple years, I just act like they don't exist. Shaq played too long. Like, it's it's just, we don't have to do it, right?
00:17:03
Jordan
And so, you're not...
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Chad didn't play too long. Charles Barkley played too long too. But Charles Barkley was trying to get a championship.
00:17:06
Jordan
Good. Like, yeah. But like, yeah, it's just, and and then especially when you're someone of that ilk, right? He has one ring, which is a, you know, an interesting statement in itself for how good he's supposed to be.
00:17:15
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Yeah.
00:17:19
Jordan
He has three MVPs or whatever it is, a bunch of all pros.
00:17:22
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Yeah.
00:17:23
Jordan
Like he has a Hall of Fame resume. Like, why are you still doing this?
00:17:25
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What is what is the point of this?
00:17:27
Jordan
Go back to your darkness retreat.
00:17:29
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And I feel like it's because i feel like he's trying to like become this pseudo like new Tom Brady type figure where it's like you're going to win a Super Bowl at 40 or whatever the whatever.
00:17:29
Jordan
Get off of it.
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I need us to take serious deep breaths of fresh air outdoors and understand that Tom Brady is a once in a lifetime player and that everybody is not going to be able to win a Super Bowl at 40. Sorry.
00:17:51
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sorry
00:17:53
Jordan
Yeah, and also, like,
00:17:58
Jordan
how Tom Brady played quarterback made him age more gracefully.
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Exactly. He's very distinctive.
00:18:05
Jordan
Tom Brady was never the best athlete. He never had the strongest arm, but he was accurate.
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Yeah.
00:18:10
Jordan
He was smarter than most. Like, he played in a way that you could age gracefully. That's not how Aaron plays.
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Yeah.
00:18:16
Jordan
Aaron plays with a rocket. He but he runs around.
00:18:18
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Yeah.
00:18:19
Jordan
Like, Aaron has a certain style that it just hasn't aged as gracefully. but like anyone like Right, which is why he retired six years ago.
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yeah But and ah and in Aaron's defense, you that style of quarterbacking does not age well. It just doesn't. Yeah, yeah.
00:18:30
Jordan
But
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which I think is why there's such a big concern about where quarterbacking is going because it does shorten the lifespan of quarterbacks, you know, them playing out of outside the pocket as much as they do nowadays. But also, like, it makes the game more dynamic. It makes the game more fun. The rules protect them. They'll be okay. But, yeah, I mean, that style of play does age a little bit worse than,
00:18:49
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the in pocket style quarterbacking that Tom Brady did. um But it just makes me sad for Aaron Rodgers because it's like, I'm not a fan of his in any way, but I'm a fan of of athletes who have longevity.
00:19:01
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So it's just like, you what are you sacrificing for this pseudo longevity? Like you you're you're you're making yourself look crazy.
00:19:10
Jordan
Yep. Yeah.
00:19:11
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So anyway, speaking of crazy, actually, this is not crazy. yeah Actually, you know what? This is kind of crazy because we just had this conversation last week. about how Texas Tech and Texas Longhorns were playing each other for the softball championship.
00:19:24
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I thought Texas Tech was going to pull it out ah with Miss Nijere. Nijere, that how you say her name?
00:19:29
Jordan
yeah
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Kennedy. um i was not prepared for Texas to win that championship, especially because it was just so hyped up. And it was like, oh, my gosh, she's this first million-dollar player. And she played so well in the championship. And that is all I can tell y'all because I don't watch baseball.
00:19:44
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See, I said the wrong sport. I don't watch softball.
00:19:45
Jordan
Yeah. Well, so I can tell you this, right? Texas won and was supposed to win.
00:19:54
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Yeah.
00:19:54
Jordan
Texas has been the runner-up either the last two years or two of the last three years.
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A couple years.
00:20:00
Jordan
Like, they are inarguably the second best team in softball and have been for years.
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Yeah.
00:20:05
Jordan
They've just been knocking on the door.
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Yeah.
00:20:07
Jordan
And if you're paying attention to like the tournament and things like that, Texas Tech was the number 12 seed. Even with Najere, they were good, but they weren't great.
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They were the underdogs.
00:20:16
Jordan
and so like they And they made it this far because of how how good she was specifically in the tournament. But like they had losses, and they had lost games throughout.
00:20:26
Jordan
like That's how you get the number 12 seed, right? So I think that in most cases, Texas still should have been the favorite, and I think they were.
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Right.
00:20:35
Jordan
But at the same time, like her run was crazy. Like she almost, don't want to disrespect nobody on the tech team, but I really don't.
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Oh, so great.
00:20:44
Jordan
But she almost single-handedly got them a championship. like And like that's that's crazy.
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By herself. Yeah, no, you're right.
00:20:50
Jordan
So that's one of those, like it's really sort of like like, losing is never good, right? But like it really is sort of a win-win because it's like Texas Tech paid a million dollars for one player, and that player was so good that she got them into the championship for the first time ever, right?
00:21:05
Jordan
I think it was Texas Tech that upset Oklahoma. Obviously someone did, but I think it specifically them.
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Yes.
00:21:10
Jordan
You upset Oklahoma, the Alabama of the sport.
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Yes.
00:21:12
Jordan
You have this high profile thing. You get her for another year. And when the transfer portal opens up, who's not going to want to go to Texas Tech, right?
00:21:19
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Who else is gonna?
00:21:20
Jordan
So you have a chance to do it again next year.
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Yeah.
00:21:23
Jordan
But then also for Texas, you finally do it after losing two or three years in a row, right? So it's one of those things where it's the for me, it's like,
00:21:30
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Yeah.
00:21:32
Jordan
it's a good story all the way around obviously like maybe it's a better story if Nazaret Kennedy wins because like then you really, really get the underdog because you get this girl who's good at Stanford who goes and and, you know, a million dollars and takes Texas Tech to the top and then they upset Texas.
00:21:35
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Yeah.
00:21:47
Jordan
Like, that be amazing story. But I still think it was a positive overall ah for everyone. Obviously, one-on-one, of course. But, like, yeah, Texas Tech got... probably more than what they thought, to be honest, because I don't think anyone realistically thinks that one player is going to make you a championship.
00:22:04
Jordan
I think they would have been happy with just having a small run in the tournament, and they did way more than that.
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Yeah, no, yeah.
00:22:10
Jordan
So, yeah, and you know and and it's almost kind of like the, to ah to a different extent, but it's almost like the Kaitlyn Clark Angel Reese effect, right, where you have this sort of, don't roll your eyes, I said both of them, because both of them count, but she did still have
00:22:23
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I know, i just, I don't even want to talk about them anymore.
00:22:26
Jordan
Well, we don't thought about it, but it's true.
00:22:28
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go ahead.
00:22:28
Jordan
Like, that's what happened in women's basketball. And then you follow up then, and then then you have Juju, and then you have Hannah. Like, you know what I mean?
00:22:33
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Yeah, yeah, and paid and paid.
00:22:35
Jordan
And so I think it's going to be, hopefully going to be a similar thing where you have Nazare, right? And you have a couple of, like, do you have these couple names, and you get her, and then more people watching. Now you have this person, you this person. You start to name people, you start to know these things and stuff. And so it's not going to explode like basketball because basketball, men's and women's, just has a,
00:22:57
Jordan
a different like place hold, but it is going to explode relative to that sport. It has a professional league now, which we talked about a lot. Like, it's just softball is also in a great spot.
00:23:07
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That's what about to say. i was like, I think this was a ah be a use case where now it is proven that you should be investing in softball the same way that you're investing in these other big ticket sports.
00:23:19
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I was actually about to say the same thing. Like, I think this is now showing that like, hey, we should be spending our NIL money on these softball athletes just as much as we're spending our NIL money on basketball and football. This is kind of where I've been wanting to get to is like,
00:23:33
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there's great athletes in other sports. Like it's not just your basketballs and your footballs. I understand that those sports are the most revenue generating. So obviously you see them the most, but like, I would love to see the viewership information on the softball championships and how much that's growing and how it's on national TV and how, you know what i mean? Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like this is now proving that like, it's a sport that should be and invested in. And I hope that there's more girls that sign crazy contracts and things like that. Because I also just think that sometimes people people like their brains start short circuiting when you say to invest in women, but we're not going to go there today.
00:24:07
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Um, so yeah.
00:24:07
Jordan
Yeah, we do it we did a lot of that last week and we'll do it again. The one thing, and this is this is ah a spoiler, a teaser, if you will, the one thing that will make it hard for other teams to do that is going to be now the revenue sharing and the College Sports Commission.
00:24:24
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Yeah.
00:24:25
Jordan
um there We'll get into that shortly, but there is going to be more sort of guidelines and things with NIL.
00:24:28
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We'll get there.
00:24:35
Jordan
And 100%, like they were very, very open that her deal was to get her to transfer from Stanford. It was not that she doesn't deserve it, but to the rules that they're trying to create, it was 100% pay for play.
00:24:48
Jordan
And they're trying to get rid of that.
00:24:48
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Yeah.
00:24:50
Jordan
So there's going to be some some more sort of balancing of the things. So it may be hard to to pay that, which again is over a million dollars, but that does not mean you cannot invest still and invest more than what you currently are, of course.
00:25:01
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Yeah.
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Because there's money in it. There is money in softball, so it's not like.
00:25:05
Jordan
but who
00:25:07
Jordan
yeah And also my thing is just like, not everything has be about money. like Like, when your football team is making $80 million, dollars I'm sorry. Like, like you don't got to make a whole...
00:25:19
Jordan
Like, you don't have to get rich off of everything, right?
00:25:19
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You don't have to make it back. Yeah. ah yeah
00:25:22
Jordan
Like, no, now, if it's putting you deeply, deeply in the hole, but the other thing is it's sort of like...
00:25:22
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Yeah.
00:25:30
Jordan
And it's sort of this this thing where, like, they kind of put it in a way where it couldn't make money. and And this is not only softball. This some other sports. Because they just took it out of everything, right?
00:25:40
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Yeah.
00:25:40
Jordan
Like, softball is no longer in the Olympics. I think it's coming back, but it's no longer in the Olympics.
00:25:43
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I think it is too.
00:25:44
Jordan
Like, so you take baseballs the – like, you take these kind of areas for it to –
00:25:44
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:49
Jordan
earn money when you see it more, right? Like if you watch the Little League World Series, right? And then you see the Olympics, this calendar's wrong. If you watch the College World Series, and then in the summer you have the Olympics, and then in the fall you get the Little League World Series, and you're seeing softball of various types throughout the year, and it's not one organization, but you just kind of see it.
00:25:59
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I was like, who?
00:26:11
Jordan
It just kind of gets your eyes to it more, right? Like, That's one of the benefits to the WNBA being in the summer because the basketball continues, especially if the NBA was working even better because then you could go from one to the other.
00:26:19
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Mm-hmm.
00:26:23
Jordan
But that's neither neither here nor there.
00:26:24
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Well, they're finally starting to market it. Thank God.
00:26:27
Jordan
So it's just like it's just one of those things, too, where it's like, yeah, like the investment also comes in other levels. It's just not the individual schools. It's also keeping it in the Olympics.
00:26:37
Jordan
which now is putting it back in the Olympics because they obviously have gotten rid of it for a while.
00:26:40
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It was there and then it went away. Yeah.
00:26:42
Jordan
But like, yeah, it's these sort of things. So it's not one thing. It's kind of the whole thing, right? and So yeah, but I mean, the theme of this show is the, you know, the power of supporting women.
00:26:50
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Shout out to Texas.
00:26:54
Jordan
It it does good things for you. And shout out to Texas.
00:26:57
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Period.
00:26:58
Jordan
Shout out to Texas Tech. Shout out to softball. And...
00:27:04
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Shout out to women's sports. So speaking of, well, this has nothing to do with women's sports, but did you, because because you do realize this will not be a running question on the show of whether or not you actually watched the National Basketball Association basketball.
00:27:07
Jordan
No sports.
00:27:09
Jordan
ah
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Did you watch Jordan?
00:27:20
Jordan
No, I didn't.
00:27:22
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and
00:27:24
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Okay, so I'll tell you guys about my,
00:27:26
Jordan
At this point, it's just kind of like, you'll see me next year.
00:27:28
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You're not watching it. Like, you are not watching it. You, like, you have completely checked out of the NBA season, and I genuinely love that for you.
00:27:31
Jordan
why
00:27:35
Jordan
Yeah.
00:27:35
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um
00:27:36
Jordan
I was watching anime, actually.
00:27:36
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I was watching it I was
00:27:37
Jordan
I was watching something. I was like, oh, this game is off. I was like, ah, this show is good.
00:27:42
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You should have watched it. It was fucking insane.
00:27:44
Jordan
Yeah.
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It was absolutely clinical. Like it was crazy. But basically what happened was, I mean, obviously OKC were the favorites to win. They were playing at home. They basically won damn near all of their home games this season, except for like, I don't know, something stupid like five of them.
00:27:59
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um So they're the favorites to win and they come out swinging, right? They are up for the entire game. At one point, they have like a 20-point lead. Like, it's giving very much. Everybody can just, we we clear the benches. Like, we don't need to have the starters in no more. Like, we good vibes.
00:28:14
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So I remember it was like third quarter. They're up by 20 something. I'm like, this game is over. Like it's like 90 something to 70 something. Like, thank you so much, everybody. We can go ahead and move on with the rest of our days.
00:28:25
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So I start moving around because it's third quarter and it's fucking they're up by 20. So I started moving around because there's a couple like different places and stuff to do on Thursday nights in Dallas. So i was like, okay, well, I'm gonna and I'm gonna do something.
00:28:37
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I'm standing in line at a venue and the security goes, man, this game is insane. And I'm like, what is he talking about? Like, they're up by 20. Like, what? I pull up the ESPN app. Why the hell that thing say 109 110 with, like, I don't even know how many seconds left in the game. I was like, did the Pacers?
00:28:55
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What happened? So... I went back and I watched the the highlights. You guys, what the hell? So basically, the Pacers are quite, they are literally down for the entirety of the game up until about eight minutes left in the fourth quarter where Obi Toppin decides that he's just all of a sudden going to start being the best three-point shooter we've seen in a while.
00:29:16
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He takes a three. Miles Turner takes a three. We've got Obi making another three. Miles Turner take makes another three. And all of a sudden, we are they have come completely back from a 20-point deficit in a matter of about three minutes.
00:29:31
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And they continue to score. They continue to get the game closer. Obviously, OKC is continuing to score on top of this. um because they didn't really slow down as much as the the ball. like It just started to drop for them. The threes just started to drop for the Pacers. It really wasn't a matter of OKC making a lot of mistakes.
00:29:49
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um And then once they got within two, or excuse me, once they got within one, it was 109-10. Pascal Siakam ends up making a two-point shot.
00:30:00
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They end up taking a timeout. They come back out of the timeout. And then Tyrese Halliburton being the comeback king that he is quickly becoming takes a mid-range jumper and he makes the shot with 0.3 seconds left in the game.
00:30:09
Jordan
you
00:30:14
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And this is why I believe the Pacers is going are going to win the championship because you quite literally, even when OKC does what OKC does best, which is padding the score. That's how OKC has made it through this entire playoff series is they've had the most wins by 40 plus points than any other team in the history of the NBA.
00:30:33
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They shut niggas out completely. That is their MO. But the Pacers have made it through the have made it through the playoffs by having ridiculous comebacks, most likely yeah off of the back of Tyrese Halliburton.
00:30:46
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So the fact that that happened, both of those things happened in the same game. ah We are in for some very, very, very, very fun basketball. Like, um I don't know how else to sell it to you.
00:30:58
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I really don't. But for that to have been how the game turned out, when I'm like, we literally were sitting there like, yeah, it's over. Like, OKC is taking game one. It's at home. Like, we're we're good. But the other thing about that, well, pause.
00:31:10
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Thoughts?
00:31:12
Jordan
Go sports. No, I'm just kidding.
00:31:14
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Jordan, shut up.
00:31:15
Jordan
know.
00:31:15
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But the other thing about that that I think we should also take into consideration is it has been a good while since OKC has lost two games in a row.
00:31:15
Jordan
and no I mean,
00:31:24
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They just don't do it. So if they've lost this game, statistically speaking, they're supposed to come out tonight, Sunday night. So when y'all hear this yesterday and win this game.
00:31:35
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So I don't know. But the Pacers are such a liability. They're so they are so liable to come back that it's like, oh, you just don't know. It's so much fun.
00:31:47
Jordan
Yeah.
00:31:50
Jordan
what I wish that share your excitement. I really don't know what happened to me in basketball. It's really like a this year thing because I did watch it last year.
00:31:54
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I don't either.
00:31:57
Jordan
It's really like a this year thing. Honestly, a part of it is just like, I just don't have cable. and for some reason all for some reason, all the games that I wanted to watch were on TNT.
00:32:04
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I'm so tired you and his cable.
00:32:09
Jordan
And then I think it's ah then is one of those things that sort of builds on each other, right? Like you watch one, and then you watch two, and you kind of keep doing it. I just kept forgetting about the games that were ESPN somehow and just i didn't match with my schedule.
00:32:20
Jordan
So then it got later and later and later, and then I just didn't watch it. And now it's just like... Like, I'll probably watch the finals.
00:32:25
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And you know what really makes sense?
00:32:26
Jordan
Like, I'll probably watch today, at least it on my iPad, because I know it's on ESPN. But yeah it's just, like, it just got so far, and I couldn't watch some of them. and it just And, like, i'm ah i'm I'm a very casual fan, so it just kind of just didn't happen.
00:32:40
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Yeah.
00:32:43
Jordan
good
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Yeah. What upsets me, I will say, speaking of ESPN versus TNT, um And I'm surprised that this actually hasn't been my two minute warning yet. I probably should go ahead and talk about that.
00:32:54
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But what ah what is annoying is that I cannot stand with any part of my soul, my being, my existence, the damn crew that they have for yeah ESPN for like the halftime show and the pregame show.
00:33:06
Jordan
Awesome
00:33:09
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Stephen A. Smith needs to stay far away from my NBA basketball. I don't care. I don't want to hear it. This man has he just hasn't, he just doesn't see it yet. He just doesn't know if he's a superstar.
00:33:22
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Shut up. Are you, are you joking? Are you joking? Cause you can't be watching the same basketball I'm watching and saying that Tyrese Halliburton is not a superstar. Like you just cannot be.
00:33:31
Jordan
ah Also, like, who cares? i think the thing that I think the thing that always bothers me, and this is not a today conversation, because we actually do have a lot to talk about with, like, how but, like, we can come back to this.
00:33:42
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We actually have a lot to cover. I know.
00:33:46
Jordan
I think the thing that we forget is that, yes, superstar is the top level, but it's still okay to be a star.
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Yeah.
00:33:53
Jordan
Like, I don't know if Tyrese Halliburton is a superstar, but he's a star, and that is good enough.
00:33:54
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Yeah.
00:33:58
Jordan
Like, like if we're looking, like, always kind of, when we have these conversations,
00:34:00
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ah Like Stephen A is trying to discredit him completely. Like he's trying to make it seem like he ain't nobody.
00:34:03
Jordan
Right. But the problem, is because the problem is with these talk shows and these, you know, have to say things, they view it as if you're, it's superstar trash. And there's so many levels, right?
00:34:12
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Mm-hmm.
00:34:13
Jordan
Like, realistically, and I always, every time I get, like, hype about these, I bring out the math. but like, realistically, how many superstars are there ever in the basketball at one time?
00:34:25
Jordan
Five? Five?
00:34:27
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What's the question?
00:34:28
Jordan
Like realistically, how many many superstars are there in basketball at one time? Five? Like i would maybe say five.
00:34:33
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In the entire sport?
00:34:35
Jordan
In basketball at one time. I wouldn't go more than like five or six. Like I would say the top five, eight are superstars and then you have stars, so on and so forth.
00:34:42
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to an eight yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:34:47
Jordan
So is he a top five to eight player? Maybe not. Does that matter? Like, like he's still a legitimate star. He's obviously a number one option, right? Like he is, ah he's a number one option.
00:34:59
Jordan
He's a star. He's in the playoff. Like the last couple of years, right? He is leading his team to the finals. When they need a bucket, he's getting it.
00:35:10
Jordan
So it doesn't matter if LeBron is the superstar, right? If Steph is the superstar, if Kobe was a superstar, maybe he's not that.
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Mm-hmm.
00:35:18
Jordan
But he's still a hell of a fucking basketball player. Like it's not superstar or scrub.
00:35:22
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Exactly.
00:35:22
Jordan
He can just be a star.
00:35:22
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And that's what I'm getting at is this is the person who is sitting here talking about him in this way who they now have analyzing the game for a halftime and pregame.
00:35:23
Jordan
Like.
00:35:31
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he's He's biased in a way that makes me just not want to hear anything that he ever has to say. like And I get it. He has his own show. He can say whatever he wants to say, whatever, blah, blah. But it's kind of like how I feel about Pat McAfee on college game day. like I don't want to hear what you're talking about. like you're You're not talking about real sports analysis. You're going off of your freaking feelings.
00:35:48
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And whoever didn't follow you on Instagram that day, like, I don't care. It's kind of the same thing with Perk. Like, who decided at ESPN? You know who I really want to hear from? Kendrick Perk.
00:35:56
Jordan
to Perkins.
00:35:57
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Like,
00:35:57
Jordan
and so and And so even for me, right, I sort of disagree. You're muted.
00:36:01
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what? What? What? What? olympics you could for the finals i'm have just for the finals, like get some people who actually have real basketball analysis and knowledge. Like these people, like they're just, just randoms. And it's ESPN is the problem.
00:36:16
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And I love inside the NBA. I love the TNT version of it and they are moving it to ESPN. And I have the strongest feeling that ESPN is going to mess my show up. Like they're going to mess my show up.
00:36:27
Jordan
Yeah.
00:36:28
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And it's sad because it really should be the TNT guys doing the finals. It really should be.
00:36:34
Jordan
Yeah. um Well, that's TNT's fault, so blame them.
00:36:37
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It is. TNT didn't want to pay that money, and I get it. I don't know where TNT is going. i do i knew I know for some reason they're trying to get away from the basketball thing. I don't know why. I do understand it.
00:36:45
Jordan
They're doing some stuff in college football.
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Yeah.
00:36:47
Jordan
they They bought some...
00:36:48
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I respect. Oh, go ahead.
00:36:50
Jordan
I was going to say they bought some college football playoff games from ESPN. So some of those will be on TNT and HBO Max.
00:36:55
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Mm-hmm.
00:36:58
Jordan
they They bought some like, as a part of like the trade for ESPN to get inside the and NBA, they gave up some like Mountain West football or something like that. essentially they're trying to get into college football and they have some other sports.
00:37:12
Jordan
I think TNT...
00:37:12
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Which makes sense. Like, it makes sense. It's just so sad because inside the NBA is an institution.
00:37:16
Jordan
But it's all, yeah. Ultimately, it's all hubris. And that's the thing. Like, it's sad, but it's also their fault because they didn't think the and NBA would ever go away from them.
00:37:21
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:26
Jordan
And so they thought that they could do and ask for whatever. And the NBA was like, we still counting chicken over here.
00:37:29
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Yeah. No.
00:37:32
Jordan
Like, it's not about history. They're going to watch whatever they're going watch. Like,
00:37:36
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Yeah.
00:37:37
Jordan
and And these other sports came in with more money and in more and whatever and more amenable terms and they lost it because like, and and it's funny because the dude literally put out a statement basically saying like, we don't need the NBA or something like that.
00:37:52
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Mm-hmm.
00:37:53
Jordan
And then like a year later, instantly regretted it. He said, we don't need the NBA and said bet.
00:37:55
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Mm-hmm.
00:37:57
Jordan
And I also think it's sort of just like a misreading the market because 10 years ago when you signed that deal, yeah, it was you and ESPN, but now Amazon's been in sports for five, six, seven years, right?
00:38:07
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It's yahoo Yeah, it's everybody.
00:38:09
Jordan
Um, CBS has decided to expand their sports, right?
00:38:09
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Yeah.
00:38:14
Jordan
Like, because for a while they were just very happy to have the sec, right?
00:38:14
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Yeah.
00:38:17
Jordan
NBC is back in sports.
00:38:19
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NBC is there.
00:38:19
Jordan
NBC is, hasn't been in sports outside of maybe baseball in so long.
00:38:20
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Yeah.
00:38:23
Jordan
Like, they haven't been in college football in years outside of Notre Dame.
00:38:26
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know
00:38:26
Jordan
They went and outbid ESPN for...
00:38:27
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And then they created the best platform to watch the Olympics that I've ever seen in my life.
00:38:31
Jordan
Yeah, like like these like these like these companies who were making in so, because sports are very expensive and it takes a lot to do.
00:38:33
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Like what?
00:38:39
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Yeah.
00:38:40
Jordan
So these legacy media companies who are making so much money on their TV shows and on on their regular stuff, they didn't feel like they needed sports outside of what they had. And then streaming and all that stuff happened and they started losing money and NBC, which still has a shit ton of money and CBS, which still has a shit ton of money and Amazon, which has a shit ton of money, was like, you know what would be cool?
00:39:00
Jordan
Sports.
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Sports.
00:39:01
Jordan
And so, yeah, 10, 15 years ago when you signed that last deal, it was just you and ESPN because nobody else was really in sports like that. Like, nobody was doing that. You didn't pay attention to the market, and now basketball is going to be on fucking Amazon. Yeah.
00:39:15
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We ain't gonna be... And that's the thing. It's like, it's it is hubris. I do understand that. It's just one of those things where it's like, yeah ESPN, to me, is quickly becoming the corniest sports news platform on the planet.
00:39:27
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Like, I believe they had a notification yesterday that said...
00:39:28
Jordan
Yeah.
00:39:32
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Kate Martin, who is a WNBA player, she plays for the Golden State Valkyries. She played on the same team as Kaitlyn Clark in Iowa.
00:39:36
Jordan
That's so weird. Yeah.
00:39:38
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None of us are – that's not lost upon any of us. But she is also her own person. And she had a great game yesterday, and they said, like, the the headline was, Kate Martin makes a three from the same place as Kaitlyn Clark, her old teammate. Like, why does that – why is that a headline?
00:39:54
Jordan
that's so weird
00:39:55
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Y'all are so lame. Y'all are so weird. Y'all are so uncreative. Like, I'm still mad at them for when Iowa lost the championship to Golden State, Golden State, to the Gamecocks and the f freaking, like, you know, the little, what is it?
00:39:59
Jordan
yeah
00:40:08
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The little na-na-na-na-na-na-na under, what is that called?
00:40:10
Jordan
Oh, the ticker.
00:40:11
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The taker said that Iowa had won the championship.
00:40:14
Jordan
Hmm.
00:40:14
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Like, that is, that is just, that's, y'all, anyways. And so I just feel like they're they're about to ruin my show and I'm very sad about it. um I'm just glad that I got to have the the years of inside the NBA that I know, which is about the last 10 or 15 years I've been watching it.
00:40:22
Jordan
Yeah.
00:40:29
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But it's just, and even Ernie, like, he had a very, like, heartfelt kind of, like, final speech after the Eastern Conference finals were over of, like, you know, this is the last time that we're signing out as D&T. Very, very emotional. Anyways, the point is we have another game tonight.
00:40:44
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And I couldn't tell you who's winning it.
00:40:46
Jordan
And I can't tell you if i'm watching it.
00:40:49
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long time.
00:40:51
Jordan
ah Moving on to our power sweep segment. College football is finally making decisions. Are the decisions good or bad? I don't know.
00:41:05
Jordan
No one will know, but they are here. Something that has needed to be decided for a very long time has been decided, and we are here to talk about it.
00:41:11
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a long time
00:41:14
Jordan
If you do not know what we're talking about, it is the House vs. NCAA settlement. I will give a quick, brief, very brief, quick rundown of basically former athletes was like, hey, y'all giving him money yet?
00:41:31
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Give me some.
00:41:32
Jordan
We couldn't get no money. I don't like that. Suit, suit, suit. There's a whole bunch of lawsuits. House versus NCAA is a combination of three lawsuits of various types about money and scholarships and things like that.
00:41:51
Jordan
And essentially, the the goal was if we put these together, we settle them together, we'll make some landmark changes to the sport, and then we will be in a much better place.
00:42:03
Jordan
And then hopefully the next goal is that this gets codified because if you remember, the thing that they're really looking for is they are looking for the antitrust agreement that the and that the professional sports have, right?
00:42:07
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here
00:42:18
Jordan
I'm not go to pretend that I know everything about law and antitrust and things like that, but essentially and the United States, you are not allowed to have a monopoly, right? The NFL is a monopoly.
00:42:28
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Well, you are, but it depends on who you are.
00:42:29
Jordan
The NBA is monopoly.
00:42:30
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Nevermind. Let me stop. Go ahead.
00:42:32
Jordan
The NBA is a monopoly. Major League Baseball is a monopoly.
00:42:34
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Yes.
00:42:36
Jordan
And because there's not really competition, they can make rules that in other cases, in non-sports, would be illegal. They said how much money you can make.
00:42:46
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Yes.
00:42:48
Jordan
They said if you can do this, that, or the third. So the the way to get around that is like, we're sports. We're different. There's only one of us. like We need to be able to have the range to run our sport.
00:43:00
Jordan
College has never had that because it's not necessarily viewed as a business and of a sense like major league sports are because it wasn't professional.
00:43:08
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Professional sports. Yeah.
00:43:10
Jordan
And for how hundreds of years, there wasn't even that sort of money coming into it.
00:43:16
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Yeah.
00:43:16
Jordan
So now, basically, in some of the very few cases where the NCAA should be able to make a rule, they're not even able to make a rule anymore because of lawsuits and things like that.
00:43:28
Jordan
And so they're hoping that this settlement and the things that comes in it, it changes some things in the sports, it then gets codified, and then the NCAA and this new thing once said we're going to introduce are able to make rules for the sport that are not immediately going to go and get lawsuits and into litigation is a better word.
00:43:45
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Into litigation. Yeah.
00:43:48
Jordan
So what did House versus NCAA do bare bones? Because there's a million things and we are not lawyers. The first thing that it did is it authorized $2.8 billion in back pay to athletes from 2016 to 2024.
00:44:03
Jordan
Why those years?
00:44:04
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Correct.
00:44:05
Jordan
Because what else were you going to do If you went back longer than that, it would have been $120 million trillion.
00:44:09
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You gonna have to pay everybody who's ever played in college. No, we don't have time for that.
00:44:14
Jordan
They had to put a time to it. And 2016 to 2024 is largely when this started changing and also when it most butted up to NIL, where if you started in 2016, you could have finished in 2021, and then they gave NIL, right?
00:44:23
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yeah yeah
00:44:28
Jordan
If you started in 2020, you may have got NIL in 2024, but you couldn't your first three years. That's unfair. So from those that time period, there's back pay of $2.8 billion dollars to these athletes in all the sports um over a 10-year period.
00:44:37
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yeah
00:44:45
Jordan
The way it breaks down is roughly 75% of it's going to football, Roughly 10% to 15% is going to men's basketball, 5% to 10% is going to women's basketball, and then all the other sports are splitting the rest.
00:44:59
Jordan
This is based on market share, tv all that that sort of stuff.
00:44:59
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To the Olympic sports. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:02
Jordan
The second thing that it's doing is it is opening up revenue sharing. Revenue sharing meaning that they schools can finally pay their own athletes. You don't have to do NIL.
00:45:13
Jordan
You don't have to do the bag man. you don't like They can get money directly.
00:45:16
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Yeah.
00:45:17
Jordan
If you play at Ohio State, you can get money from Ohio State. If you play at Florida, you can get money from Florida.
00:45:21
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Yes. Cause a lot of people were asking kind of like, what is the difference between what's already been happening and what this house settlement affects? That is the key piece. athletes were always able to sign with third parties or, or bar or excuse me, collectives. Like a lot of it is schools were, especially LSU was one of the first schools to do it where they created a collective.
00:45:38
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They had money that went into the collective and then the collective paid the athletes because it was not something that the schools were able to do directly. So this is one of the biggest differences is that now not only can athletes obviously get money from third parties and brands and things like that, but now they can actually get a school, a check from the school.
00:45:57
Jordan
Yes, and it is actually in many cases going to limit me the money from the third parties and brands, which we are going to get to.
00:46:02
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Yeah.
00:46:05
Jordan
Actually, that's not true From the third parties, not from the brands. That is separate.
00:46:09
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Yeah. From the collective.
00:46:10
Jordan
So in 2025,
00:46:11
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Yeah.
00:46:13
Jordan
Schools can pay up to $20.5 million dollars to their athletes. Many schools are going to follow the model of the back pay, which is 75% to football, 10% to 15% to men's basketball, 5% to 10% to women's basketball, and then spread out the rest.
00:46:29
Jordan
Others are going to do it however they see fit. But it's up to $20.5 million. And they're saying based on escalators and the TV contracts that are already signed and various things like that, it could be up to $33 million in 2035. The next thing that it does is it sets roster limits.
00:46:50
Jordan
So one of the changes is that...
00:46:54
Jordan
because schools can now pay athletes, they want essentially most, if not all athletes be on some sort of scholarship, right?
00:47:03
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:47:03
Jordan
Like to be able to get some sort of payment and to sort of, it's really just to kind of make it more fair. And so they're changing roster limits and their schools can add scholarships.
00:47:15
Jordan
You do not have to do your roster up to the limit, but it's just sort of the number. And so, This is one of the big ones. For example, football changes dramatically, where football previously until right now, up until July 1st, you could have up to, I believe, 120 on your team, but only 85 of them could be on scholarship. Now you only have 105, all 105 can be on scholarship.
00:47:40
Jordan
now you can only have a hundred and five all one hundred and five can be on establishship
00:47:45
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We'll be on scholarship. Yeah.
00:47:46
Jordan
basketball, men's basketball, for example, you could only have 13 scholarships. Now you can do 15. You're gonna say that doesn't matter. It actually does matter because what happens in basketball is some of the, this the, the, um,
00:48:00
Jordan
You would have 15, 16, 17 people on your roster, which means your top five, your top 10 would get a full ride. And then the other five or so would split scholarships. Now you can have 15 players, 15 full scholarships.
00:48:13
Jordan
One of the biggest ones is baseball. I don't even know how they got away with this, but baseball, you could only have 11.7 scholarships.
00:48:16
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Mm-hmm.
00:48:23
Jordan
So almost no one playing baseball was on a full-ride scholarship. Now baseball can have up to 34 scholarships, which is still maybe not their whole roster. I think most baseball teams have more than 34.
00:48:35
Jordan
But, it I mean, 11.7 to 34, like, let's Yeah.
00:48:38
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It's a huge jump. Yeah. Like, i don't even know how to hell.
00:48:40
Jordan
yeah.
00:48:41
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But also, baseball is one of those sports that they're not revenue generating. So, you know, it's kind of like that that that catch 22 is I'm trying to say.
00:48:45
Jordan
right so is kind of Yeah.
00:48:51
Jordan
yeah
00:48:52
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But yeah, go ahead.
00:48:53
Jordan
So, yeah, so that is kind of, that that is another big thing.
00:48:57
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Now with the roster limits, there is a concern of how this affects like the Olympic sports, right? Like you're swimming, you're diving, you're, um what is it? ah Gymnastics, those sorts of sports. um Because what?
00:49:08
Jordan
No.
00:49:10
Jordan
Not the roster limits. It's that, you're right, but you're, it's the revenue share.
00:49:15
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Yeah, like all um'm I'm saying like, but the roster limits. Well, because I was reading that there's like there could potentially be like because the scholarship costs are so much higher for those that like because the scholarship costs are a little different for those types of sports. Like it could cause an issue with like the pipeline to Olympics, basically like to Team USA.
00:49:32
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Like it could cause a bit of an issue with the roster limits and like having to give full scholarships to everyone with the Olympic sports, which is a little different than like the non-Olympic sports. I was just reading about it. Go ahead.
00:49:43
Jordan
Yeah, i haven't seen that, but you can read. You got critical thinking skills, so if you read it, it happened.
00:49:48
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I, you know, I do be reading. I do be doing that. that's
00:49:51
Jordan
The only thing that I had seen about the Olympic sports, and this is why this is a two-person show, because you wouldn't get everything if it was only me and vice versa. The only thing that I had heard about the Olympic sports is that schools may get rid of some of the sports to fund the revenue sharing.
00:50:05
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Yeah. Which then would cause an issue with the pipeline, right?
00:50:08
Jordan
So like,
00:50:10
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Because if you're saying, okay, we really need to focus on football. We're going to get rid of swimming and diving. And then a bunch of schools make that decision.
00:50:17
Jordan
Yeah.
00:50:18
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Well now,
00:50:18
Jordan
So, yeah, but that's what I was saying. That's why I was saying, like, you're not wrong. It just has nothing to do with the roster limits. It's only just, it's just the revenue sharing because they're going to, don't
00:50:25
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see the context, yeah okay, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
00:50:29
Jordan
know, either way.
00:50:30
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It was the context of like the scholarships with that, that was also causing the issue. Cause basically like, we would rather take these scholarships and put them towards the revenue generating sports rather than the non-revenue generating sports, because now we have to pay for all these students to be here.
00:50:45
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So it's like, you know what I'm saying?
00:50:46
Jordan
Okay, that way, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:49
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So,
00:50:49
Jordan
I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. Okay, so no, that makes sense. I understand you're saying.
00:50:53
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yeah.
00:50:53
Jordan
So yeah, and so there are some schools that are probably going to get rid of things, and then there are other schools like my Ohio State Buckeyes that have already said they're going to keep all 36 sports, and they're adding 91 scholarships across all the sports.
00:51:08
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Period. But y'all also can afford it, so don't piss me off.
00:51:09
Jordan
So, okay. Right. There are, there of course, there are some that cannot. But we can get to that in that not every school has to opt into the settlement.
00:51:20
Jordan
So, of course, all the P4 schools are going to opt in, right? The Big Ten, the ACC, the SEC, and the Big 12. The schools in the Pac-12 who are going to try to get back to this level are probably going to opt in.
00:51:34
Jordan
But like your Kent State, right your Epistom, whatever you say, in school, your insert directional school, they don't have to do it.
00:51:42
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The Episcopal School of Church of God in Christ, North Louisiana.
00:51:42
Jordan
Your division, yeah. like Yeah, like your Lutheran St. John's school, like they they don't have to do that, right? If you opt in, of course, you have to abide by these rules, but you do not have to opt in.
00:51:55
Jordan
So this is not like a mandate for every school everywhere.
00:51:58
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Yeah, widespread.
00:52:00
Jordan
This would drive them out of business.
00:52:02
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Yeah.
00:52:03
Jordan
um And what may happen is there going to be some schools that maybe drop down a level and everyone's going to say doom and gloom, but like, I think that should happen. Like I've i've been an advocate of a while that there needs to be and another level in sports. Like there should not be 130 I'm sorry.
00:52:19
Jordan
i'm sorry you can't have a hundred and thirty schools that are even equal even in the power four where it's like 60 something schools they're still not equal top to bottom the big 10 is not bottom the sec is not equal so what are you doing with the other ones i've always been an advocate that they to add another level and then they need to allow those schools to drop down and shift everyone down and they do that in high school all the time with divisions like they did that in all in the state of ohio
00:52:30
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yeah
00:52:44
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oh yeah we've been moving up and down one time you're 5a next year's you're 6a the next year you're 4a like yeah it's based on number of students though
00:52:48
Jordan
Yeah. So, like, there there shouldn't be a hundred, yeah, there shouldn't be 130 teams in Division I. Like, they're not all the same. So, ultimately, like, this does not mean that everything's going to be perfect and whatever, but I think that there is going to sort of be a divide, right, where even if it's not official, it's going to be, like, the schools that opted into the settlement and then the schools that didn't and then Division, FCS, and all the other sort of stuff.
00:53:11
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And the other thing, too, before we move on to the next bit is, as you can imagine, this is going to have some sort of Title IX implications. They're not entirely sure um yet, but there is going to have to be a conversation about equal pay for female athletes.
00:53:25
Jordan
Don't say that.
00:53:28
Jordan
Don't say that.
00:53:29
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What?
00:53:30
Jordan
Who's president?
00:53:32
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Right. So but he said that that wasn't going to happen, and then another judge came in and said, ha-ha, he doesn't get to do that. So... even though the Donald Trumps of the world who believe that women are nothing but holes to stick with themselves into, there's also judges who protect these sorts of things. And there were judges that said, like, he could say all day that there's not, that they're not about to do that. But like, he quite literally does not have that type of power.
00:53:54
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So if it comes down to equal pay conversation, they have to have it. Like, it's not, they're just trying, I think the biggest thing is like, is it going to be a percentage of the NIL percentage that they have that makes it equal?
00:54:04
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Like they have to figure out the logistics of that, but there are going to be Title IX implications with, the revenue sharing. um I will also believe it when I see it as well.
00:54:11
Jordan
I believe it when I see it there There are always Title IX implications with scholarships and roster limits. I would not be surprised if they find a way to skirt that in the revenue sharing.
00:54:23
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Yeah, but also it's ah also it's a litigation point as well.
00:54:24
Jordan
um
00:54:27
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So it could also become a point where it's like, oh, y'all doing this revenue sharing and shit and y'all think y'all not going to be, y'all finna not give us equal pay? Here's another lawsuit, which kind of goes back to the whole antitrust thing.
00:54:38
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um
00:54:39
Jordan
Yeah, and that that one that one's tough because how do you determine equal pay?
00:54:39
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But yeah.
00:54:43
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How do you? I know, ah know.
00:54:44
Jordan
Like, it's...
00:54:47
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But it's also like, it's,
00:54:48
Jordan
Are you going to pay a swimmer the same much as a women's basketball player, the same as a softball player, the same as a golf? Like, you what I mean? Like, because that, like, not only just with Title IX, of course.
00:54:56
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:00
Jordan
But you then get into should your golfer make as much as the swimmer who should make as much as the tennis player who should make as much as the men's basketball player who should make as much as the wrestler who has won three national championships who should make as much as football.
00:55:15
Jordan
So like that's going to...
00:55:16
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but Which is why I think that's the conversation, right, is how do we determine that? What makes it quote-unquote equal? I think it's going to probably come down to some sort of math and ratios and things like that because, no, of course, if football is bringing in $50 million dollars a year and then women's golf is bringing in $400,000, obviously those athletes are not going to be paid equally.
00:55:38
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But I think it's a matter of, like, an equal share of what's being shared, if you know what I mean, is kind of more of what the conversation is like, or an equitable share, if that makes sense. Cause never going to be equal. It can't be. There's certain sports that obviously make more money or have more whatever than others, but it can't just be, oh we're just only going to give our revenue share to all the insert male sports here. And Oh, well, sorry, women's sports. Like you also can't do that.
00:56:04
Jordan
Right.
00:56:04
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So yeah.
00:56:06
Jordan
Yeah, it is going to be interesting. They have sort of skirted the Title up to this point.
00:56:13
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Yeah.
00:56:13
Jordan
You know, there's a lot of people who've been like, so what about Title IX? And they've been like, Title who?
00:56:19
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Who is that?
00:56:19
Jordan
Title what?
00:56:19
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We don't know her.
00:56:19
Jordan
We're just trying to figure this out. of course and that And that's the thing with, like, this is not perfect. This is not final. There's going to be things, and especially if they don't get the antitrust, there's going to be a lot that comes into it.
00:56:31
Jordan
But, and also like, you just can't answer it until you see it, right? Like you probably need three, four, five years of data to say these schools are or are not paying women or they're not paying swimming, doing this, they're, you know, messing around with the roster numbers and stuff like that.
00:56:35
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ah who
00:56:44
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Equitably. Yeah.
00:56:50
Jordan
But let's be honest, I'm not stupid and neither are you. They don't find a way to give,
00:56:56
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And that's the thing that makes me sad.
00:56:56
Jordan
give
00:56:57
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Like, why can't we just figure it out in a way where it's not like, I don't know. i don't want to get too deep into that, but it's just, it's just irritating. Cause I feel like women always get the short end of the stick on stuff. And it's just like, title nine exists because women were not getting the proper opportunities that they were supposed to get.
00:57:14
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You know what i mean? So now it's to sit there and be like, oh, we're going to try to find a way around it. It's just like, oh my God, like y'all are so annoying.
00:57:20
Jordan
Yeah. And it's I think where the interesting thing is going to come from, right, is it's going to come from, let's say, just random example, South Carolina, where the best sport on campus is women's basketball.
00:57:37
Jordan
how are they going to pay that versus football, right? Another example would be, like like, it's not going to happen at Ohio State, most likely, because, right, like, it's it's going to be ah a case where, right, like, your women's basketball team, actually, what could potentially happen at Ohio State, though, is the women's basketball team is better than the men's basketball team.
00:58:03
Jordan
what's going on there. And I would be very interested, i would be very interested to see what happens at Ohio State in particular, because Ohio State is one of the few schools that I know that currently men's and women's basketball is being treated like equal.
00:58:04
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Y'all need to get a higher share. Yeah.
00:58:18
Jordan
They're in the same building, they have the same exact locker rooms, they get the same exact things like Unless it's like a like LeBron is gifting this, but LeBron also gifts things to the women's athletes as well.
00:58:29
Jordan
So it's like, but like the locker room, like all that is the same.
00:58:30
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Mm-hmm.
00:58:31
Jordan
Like when they built the building, they built it for both of them. The locker room's like 100% near. So like that's one of the few. So like, it'd be interesting if Ohio State's just like both y'all get seven and a half or whatever. like, but like it is going to be interesting at a school, right? Where like Notre Dame, right?
00:58:48
Jordan
Are you going to pay your men?
00:58:49
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Yeah.
00:58:49
Jordan
Does Notre Dame even have a men's basketball team? I'm sure they do. But the point is,
00:58:52
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i Probably, yeah.
00:58:54
Jordan
right Are you going to pay your men's basketball team at Notre Dame better than the women's? Right? Like, like,
00:58:58
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That's all I'm getting at is don't piss me off and make it seem like, oh, it's just automatic notion that the women should just get equal to what the men's to what the men get. The only place right now that I can think of off the top of my head, two places where that would be that would make sense, is UConn and NC State in the context of basketball.
00:59:15
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Those are only two places where it makes sense where you would potentially pay the women and the men the same because they're both equally successful. But to your point, if we're talking about freaking UNT basketball, like...
00:59:27
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you obviously the men are going to make more because women aren't as good. Or even SMU. SMU women's basketball has not even gone to the postseason since like 2014. They should not arguably get the same share as the men's basketball.
00:59:40
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But also like we're not going to see her act like if the women's team is better that they shouldn't get more. They should get more.
00:59:46
Jordan
Yeah, and and I think that's going to be the thatmin thing.
00:59:47
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Period. They should get more. Soccer, whatever, all the other sports. only sport that doesn't have that same, that doesn't have anything comparable at right as of right now is football. But
00:59:57
Jordan
Yeah, and football messes up Title IX all the time.
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:00
Jordan
Both just also the the amount of money and the roster sizes and all these other sort of things.
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Yeah.
01:00:03
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yeah
01:00:05
Jordan
And I know this is easier said than done, but if I was in control, I would, if there is a counterpart, I would just give them the same and then just go on like that. Because the thing that that is important in this is that you can still NIL deals.
01:00:21
Jordan
You can still get deals from brands. So for me and the Title IX implications, it's like, okay, if the men's basketball team is better, then when you go out to brands and when you go out to donors and when you go out to things that's not revenue sharing, you give them more money based on what they've done.
01:00:24
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yeah
01:00:39
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Oh, I see that. That makes sense, too. you
01:00:39
Jordan
But out of revenue share,
01:00:42
Jordan
Men's basketball gets 5%. Women's basketball well gets 5%. Baseball gets 2%. Softball gets 2%. Men's soccer gets 1%. Women's soccer gets 1%. And then when the additional money that comes on top, yes, if the women's basketball team is better, they're going to be the ones that's going out there and that's being promoted because, like, let's be honest, Don Staley don't need to promote nothing no more.
01:00:52
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i Yeah, I see that, too.
01:01:04
Jordan
South Carolina going to get it.
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Yeah.
01:01:05
Jordan
You know what saying?
01:01:05
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Yeah.
01:01:05
Jordan
Like, if – you know, and it so – That's where, like, USC don't need to do shit for Juju. Juju got it right? So, like, give her, like, Juju's going to get the 5% that she's going to get. The men's basketball team's going to get that.
01:01:19
Jordan
But at the end of the day, Juju's going to be the highest-paid athlete probably at that school because of what she can garner in on top of that. And I know they're not going to do that because that makes no sense. And because the problem with doing who's better than the other, though, is it flips.
01:01:29
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I also feel like though.
01:01:33
Jordan
Because in five years, what if SMU basketball is better than the men's? Do you then – Like, do you change it each year? do you do that? For me, i would do the really hard math to figure out the percentages.
01:01:42
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Hmm.
01:01:46
Jordan
and And then I would just stick to it. I said, this is what we pay. And then when it comes to n NIL, when it comes to these things, that's where you'll make your additional money. That's where you'll do this sort of thing, because this doesn't restrict that.
01:01:55
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Hmm. Hmm.
01:01:58
Jordan
Because you do run into that problem with knock on wood, this isn't gonna happen, but like South Carolina women's basketball is amazing. What happens if in 10 years football there has won three national championships, right? Like what happens if in two years Texas men's basketball is back-to-back championships and Hannah, not Hannah, what's the girl's name? Hannah.
01:02:21
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Madison Booker.
01:02:21
Jordan
Madison Booker left, she's in the league, and now they've crumbled, right? So, like, I wouldn't want to put myself in a position where I have to constantly reevaluate.
01:02:25
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Yeah.
01:02:30
Jordan
I would say, i today, and throughout the years, because you knew it was coming, I would say, these are our percentages. Now, if we're giving $20 million or we're giving $33 million, this is the percentage across the board because the athletes in the sports can bring in other money and we can help facilitate that as they've sort of earned it.
01:02:49
Jordan
Which is not going to happen, because that's too logical.
01:02:49
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Yeah, which I'm saying makes sense, but what i but what pisses me off is that they're going do the opposite of that. They're going to be able to say, oh, we're paying men's basketball more because men's basketball is better, but then when it comes to the schools that wear women's basketball is better, they're going every reason in the world why they're not going to do the same thing there.
01:02:55
Jordan
Yes.
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And that's what pisses me off is that Now it's got to be, well, everybody should be equal. Oh yeah, everybody should be equal now that the men are stinking it up and the women are actually doing well. Now everybody gets to be equal. Shut up.
01:03:14
Jordan
Yep.
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Anyways, go ahead.
01:03:16
Jordan
So, I know, I know, I know.
01:03:16
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not Not towards you, but I'm just like, that's that's the that's the logic that gets on my damn nerves. It's like, it can't be an automatic, like, well, duh, South Carolina women's basketball is going to get more than the men's i don't i can tell you one person who plays on that men's basketball team i don't know i don't think i've ever seen men in a south carolina gamecocks jersey for basketball like i do not know so i'm just like
01:03:30
Jordan
Yeah.
01:03:37
Jordan
But yeah, so, but, and and that's for me, i would just, but basically, I wouldn't want to justify it.
01:03:49
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yeah
01:03:50
Jordan
So I would justify it on the numbers that I have. How much money you're bringing in, how much money we're spending, roster size, like those sort of things, right? Because especially because when you look at the comp the comparing sports, they're pretty similar, right?
01:03:59
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Yeah.
01:04:03
Jordan
Your men's and women's basketball is probably going to have 15 each, right? Your men's and women's swimming is probably going to have X number each. Your men's and women's track probably going have x number each. Like I would sort of do it off of that because then you can say it doesn't matter but if you're good or you're bad, if you're ugly, if you're cute.
01:04:19
Jordan
Like this is the money.
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Not good, a bad, ugly, or cute.
01:04:22
Jordan
This is it And I think that's the only way it makes sense because you you can't get in. And this is not even just for the players. This is also for coaches and things like that.
01:04:32
Jordan
You can't get to a point where coaches can lobby for what they want. Because, for example, another place where this is going to be an issue and it literally ran the basketball coach out.
01:04:45
Jordan
is the University of Kentucky. For years, the University of Kentucky was much better at basketball than football. And then, I talking about the right school?
01:04:56
Jordan
Yeah, University of Kentucky.
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Kentucky?
01:04:58
Jordan
Yeah, because I believe Kentucky's coach is now at Cal.
01:05:01
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I don't know.
01:05:01
Jordan
It's now at Arkansas.
01:05:01
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ah I don't know.
01:05:03
Jordan
Okay, it doesn't matter. I'm right. It's University Kentucky. University of Kentucky, For a while, they were much better at basketball. They were winning all these national championships. Football was ass. And
Facilities and Gender Disparities
01:05:13
Jordan
then football got a little bit better.
01:05:15
Jordan
And the basketball coach was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. You know how many national championships I have to my name? And they don't got nothing? And you building them this and you building them that are you doing this and you doing that for football, but I got all the chips?
01:05:28
Jordan
And so he left Coach Cal and now he's at Arkansas. But that's an example of you can't put it in a what have you done for me now, what have you done for me lately, where coaches can go to war with each other to say, well, yeah, I get it that 10 years ago they were good, but last year they went 2-10, and I won 80% of my games.
01:05:48
Jordan
So now this year you have to flip it, and then next year got to flip it, and then next and all the coaches are doing it.
01:05:53
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No, yeah, you're making sense.
01:05:53
Jordan
Like, you just can't do that.
01:05:55
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You're making sense.
01:05:55
Jordan
And that's what's going to happen because these administrators are stupid.
01:05:56
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I just hate it when it comes to the men versus the women.
01:05:59
Jordan
Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:01
Jordan
So...
01:06:01
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It makes sense, it makes sense, it makes sense.
01:06:04
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But yes. Yeah.
01:06:04
Jordan
and And that's also how I would solve the men's versus women's thing, because I would just give it the same.
01:06:08
Jordan
Men's versus women's basketball gets the same. versus women's track gets the same. Because you're not getting this because you're a man or a woman. You're getting it because sport. Track gets less than basketball.
01:06:14
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yeah
01:06:15
Jordan
Basketball gets less than football. the Swimming gets more than wrestling. Wrestling gets more than table tennis. Whatever it is.
01:06:22
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Not table tennis.
01:06:22
Jordan
And it's just leaving it at that. I don't know.
01:06:25
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Well, the thing about it is, I think it's just because historically speaking, we know that that's just not the case. Like the women, women can't even get paid.
01:06:31
Jordan
Oh, yeah. I just spent...
01:06:34
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They just started paying them to be in the post season for basketball last year.
01:06:39
Jordan
Yes.
01:06:40
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These men have been getting paid for I don't even know how long, like paying the schools, not even the win not even the athletes directly paying the damn schools.
01:06:44
Jordan
To be... yeah.
01:06:47
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So that's I'm just kind of like, it's the same thing with the reason why. What's that girl name who didn't get drafted? Tall white girl who be beating up people. What is her name? i don't know why i can't think of her name.
01:06:53
Jordan
I don't...
01:06:55
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But TCU, whatever that girl.
01:06:55
Jordan
We don't need to say her name on the show
01:06:57
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The reason why she's so famous is because she's the one who posted the difference between the men's weight room and the women's weight room at the NCAA. Like the NCAA themselves don't even treat these damn these athletes like they're the same.
01:07:07
Jordan
Mm-mm.
01:07:09
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So that's what pisses me off is that I feel like so much more BS is going to go on when it comes to the men's versus the women's because they don't even know how
01:07:16
Jordan
Yes.
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to provide similar facilities.
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They don't even know how to provide similar accommodations. They don't even know how to provide the insert XYZ thing here. male team could be trash, but he's going to have his own locker room. He's going to get all the gear. He's going to have all the facilities that he and needs access to, whatever, and the team is trash.
01:07:33
Jordan
Yep.
01:07:33
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So that's all I'm saying is – i I hear you because I wouldn't want to do all of that type of math and stuff like that every year either. Keep it equal. Keep it to a good percentage. But it's also like...
01:07:44
Jordan
We both know it's not going happen.
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Ciao.
01:07:46
Jordan
And that's why I said that's what I would do, not what's going to happen.
01:07:46
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Anyways. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:50
Jordan
Because we are both, we are not naive. We was not born yesterday and my name is not Boo Boo the Fool.
01:07:53
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Like...
01:07:55
Jordan
like
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I was born at night, but I was not born last night. Thank you so much.
01:07:59
Jordan
Say it, please say it.
01:08:01
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With that being said, now with all of these things with NIL and oh my gosh, this percentage and that percentage and this school and that school and revenue share and this blah, blah, blah, blah. blah blah You know what they need? Governance.
01:08:11
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You know who's not about to do it? The NCAA. So therefore, there is now going to be a college sports commission that is going to be assembled. Not to be confused with the Donald Trump nonsense that we talked about a couple weeks ago.
01:08:23
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Not that. This is from the ah conferences, I believe, that they are putting this together, if I'm not mistaken.
01:08:30
Jordan
Yes, the P4.
01:08:31
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So the conferences are putting together a college sports commission that is supposed to be kind of like the enforcers, if you will, of all of these new rules coming down from the settlement plus everything else. So I just introduced to you. told me about all little You know more about the details than I do.
01:08:48
Jordan
Yes. So the College Sports Commission is going to do two things. First and foremost, it is a governing body that is set by the P4. It is going to be governed by a board of the Power Four.
01:09:01
Jordan
They're doing this together. And the first thing that I want to say about this, because everyone's talking about it, and so we just need to put it out there, they are going to be able to govern because the member schools have to opt in.
01:09:15
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Sign a contract. Yes.
01:09:16
Jordan
Because like that's the problem with the NCAA. The NCAA has just been there and people don't like it. When the SEC and when the Big Ten and and when these schools are saying that this is a good thing, and I know that they're opting in because literally as soon as it was announced, the Big Ten conference, social media posted about it.
01:09:21
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Yeah.
01:09:33
Jordan
The Big Ten commissioner spoke about it and vice versa these others. They are doing this together, which also means... They are setting the rules together, right? Like there's already some, there's already some like rumors about what the penalties can be.
01:09:48
Jordan
I imagine that those penalties exist because they got in a room and they said, what would we agree to? So ah and maybe Rutgers didn't get as much say, maybe Cal didn't get as much say, but they went in there and they said, this is what we need.
01:10:00
Jordan
This is why this is how we're going to do it. And for to work, each school is going to have to sign a contract to say we are doing revenue sharing.
01:10:08
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You're going to abide by it.
01:10:09
Jordan
We are therefore going to abide by the College Sports Commission. Now, is it going to work? don't know.
01:10:15
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Um, hell to the no, because i was reading that it was saying that some, in some ways there could be potential where in order to be compliant with the college work commission, they would have to go against the law of whatever state they're in.
01:10:26
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So I'm kind of like, now how the hell does that work?
01:10:27
Jordan
Yes.
01:10:29
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Because that's, we can't.
01:10:30
Jordan
But that's, but but so the thing with that is this is not going against the laws of the state as far as what's legal. This is certain states care about sports more than others. So certain states created rules that that gave unfair advantages, right?
01:10:43
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:45
Jordan
Like there are certain states where high schoolers can get NIL from colleges, right?
01:10:46
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Yeah.
01:10:49
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Texas is one of them. Yes.
01:10:52
Jordan
Colleges don't like that. So basically what they're saying is like you're not breaking a law. It's just saying, I understand that Texas can, you can do it in high school. And I understand that in Louisiana, you can do this. And I understand that in Mississippi, you can do this. and know how you can do this.
01:11:04
Jordan
We're all playing by the same rules. And these rules say, and I know it has to be under $600 or it has to be reported. Their money's coming from revenue sharing. It's these sorts of things.
01:11:15
Jordan
So the thing is,
01:11:15
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Yeah. Governance. say Because the NCAA is not going to sit down and do all that.
01:11:19
Jordan
Right. And so, but that but that's why it's optional, right?
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They're just not.
01:11:23
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Yeah.
01:11:23
Jordan
Like, is it optional for an SEC school? Probably not, because then they're going to kick you out the SEC.
01:11:27
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Yeah.
01:11:28
Jordan
But for anyone else who wants to do it, it's optional.
01:11:31
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Like a Notre Dame. Yeah.
01:11:33
Jordan
Yeah, like Notre Dame, like you don't have to do it. if you But if you sign up, these are the rules that you have to abide by.
01:11:35
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Yeah.
01:11:38
Jordan
Like they're coming up with the – and so that's what the College Sports Commission is. It's going to be sort of two things. The first thing is it's going to be revenue sharing enforcement. It is going to be making sure that they're following the rules, that the money is being given, that they're staying under the cap.
01:11:52
Jordan
um right, that they're doing these sort of things. They're not necessarily going to be enforcing, like, if and hopefully when Title IX comes in, I still think that's going to be an NCAA thing.
01:12:01
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:12:04
Jordan
I don't think the College Sports Commission is going to be, did you give, oh, you gave football 60% a year out of it. It's going to be, as a whole, you stayed under $20.5 million. This money went
01:12:14
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The College Sports Commission is like if you join like a sorority or fraternity or if you're on a board and you have bylaws, right?
01:12:14
Jordan
this money went
01:12:22
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Like there's no legal, there's no legalities to it, but there are going to be ways that things are going to be handled in a way where it's written down, it's contractual, and you're agreeing to these terms of how you're going to manage it and you opt into it.
01:12:22
Jordan
Yes. it's
01:12:34
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You're not. Yeah.
01:12:35
Jordan
it's the It's the same exact thing as the copy.
01:12:37
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Yeah.
01:12:38
Jordan
right like The Big Ten's rules are different than the SEC's rules and so on and so forth.
01:12:40
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SEC. Yeah, for sure.
01:12:41
Jordan
And when you go to those, you have to abide by those rules. Like I saw and I don't know if this is 100 percent true. This is just something I read because I haven't looked into it. There is rumors that the SEC put in a rule that said that you still can only do 85 scholarships in football.
01:12:57
Jordan
which was the rule for however many years.
01:12:58
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oh
01:12:59
Jordan
So even though it goes up to 105, the is basically like, hey, we're going to keep it the same.
01:13:02
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They don't have to do that.
01:13:06
Jordan
You get 85 scholarships.
01:13:06
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Yeah.
01:13:07
Jordan
So the Big Ten was like, no.
01:13:11
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We're going to take 105.
01:13:12
Jordan
We're not doing that.
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Thank you.
01:13:13
Jordan
So, like, it's the same thing, right? The Big Ten, you sign up for those rules. If they say you can get 100, like, and these conferences do have different rules. one Another rule that the SEC has is that if you transfer, but like, if you transfer in the spring in football, you cannot go to an SEC school. or You have to sit out.
01:13:32
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Oh,
01:13:33
Jordan
So if you transfer in December, you can go to an SEC school, you can play. If you transfer in May, most of those kids are not going to SEC schools because the SEC has a rule that says if you transfer in May, you cannot play them that next year.
01:13:42
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good luck. Go somewhere else. Yeah.
01:13:48
Jordan
and it's so that and it And it's so Alabama isn't stealing from Mississippi State who's stealing from Vanderbilt, right?
01:13:48
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Yeah.
01:13:53
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Yeah. yeah
01:13:55
Jordan
So it's the same thing as conferences. It's the same thing as sororities, fraternities, as any sort of optional organization. You opt in and then you follow those rules. Those rules are going to be enforced by that contract and by arbitration.
01:14:08
Jordan
um One of the things that is interesting is non-P4 schools can opt in and out, but they have to give a year's notice. So the first opt-in is June 14th, and then after that, there's going to release a list of every school who has opted in.
01:14:25
Jordan
and Then for schools who didn't opt in every year you have a deadline in March that basically says this year I want to opt in you do it for however long if if ah if School A opts in is like we can't afford this they can then opt out but again P4 Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Big 12 this is being run by their conferences you can't opt in because the conference is in so
01:14:48
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yeah yeah the con big big 10 is not the contract so yeah houston you gonna have to you deal with the big 10 no they're in the big 12 whoever
01:14:57
Jordan
yeah big time Yeah, so.
01:14:58
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I'm not a, am not a conference um historian. I don't know any given school who's in whatever. I don't know.
01:15:03
Jordan
And it's changed it's changed so much that it doesn't matter.
01:15:04
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Okay. And it keeps changing. Like I don't damn know. I keep mixing up the big 10 and the big 12, which is very embarrassing, but I'm working on it.
01:15:11
Jordan
Hmm. So then what are some of the potential penalties? One of them is going to be a multi-game suspension for coaches. There can be a reduction in revenue share pool, which is the huge, right?
01:15:20
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Oh,
01:15:24
Jordan
You don't get $20 million this year. You get $18 million. Figure it out, right? there can be This one is interesting, and this is how I know the schools signed up for this.
01:15:35
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who
01:15:35
Jordan
There can be a reduction in transfers, right?
01:15:37
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In transfers, I saw that.
01:15:40
Jordan
That is interesting because I don't think they can reduce scholarships. like I think that's like an NCAA thing, but they can reduce like you can't bring in a whole bunch of transfers.
01:15:44
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Yeah.
01:15:48
Jordan
And then the last one is school funds.
01:15:50
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Which makes sense.
NIL Rules and Market Challenges
01:15:51
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Yeah.
01:15:51
Jordan
The second part of the commission is NIL because revenue sharing and io are separate. As a reminder, revenue sharing is exactly as it is. NIL money outside.
01:16:02
Jordan
So as brief as possible, because feel like if I keep talking, I'm going to end up making some things up and I'm trying to stay into what I know.
01:16:02
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Yeah.
01:16:10
Jordan
You are allowed to get money from Nike. You are allowed to get money from Jordan. You are allowed to get money from Gatorade and insert legit business here. What? Because, right, Nike is not paying an 18 year old two million dollars unless that 18 year old is Gigi.
01:16:28
Jordan
And Nike is not paying that. Nike's not paying Juju $2 million dollars to go to USC.
01:16:34
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01:16:34
Jordan
Nike's going to pay Juju $2 million dollars wherever the hell she goes.
01:16:37
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To wear the shoes.
01:16:37
Jordan
So they're not restricting that.
01:16:37
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01:16:40
Jordan
If you are a star and if you get money from Nike, from Gatorade, from Adidas, from insert whatever, that is your money because Nike and insert all these other people have valued you at that and there is something in your contract.
01:16:56
Jordan
You have to come to appearances, you wear the shoes, you do whatever. That money is fine. What is going to be restricted and going to be looked at is insert car dealership two miles outside the school
01:17:08
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:17:10
Jordan
They can't give DJ $100,000. They're to have to look at that. like Why is this car dealership giving you $100,000? Is this $100,000 for you to come to this school? like that like do you actually have obligations? like Are you going and selling cars? Are you going to billboards? Are you going to the car dealership to sign autographs? like If you are not getting paid to do something...
01:17:32
Jordan
And they do not find it fair market value, which is the issue that I have, because how do you determine fair market value? Like, that's the gray area.
01:17:38
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They're going to make it up. They're making it up. That's only way you can do it.
01:17:41
Jordan
and And so one of the big things, and I think the reason why people push this, is they were tired of, like, the NICO EMI... yeah my like
01:17:51
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Nico,
01:17:52
Jordan
This is so embarrassing. i like to say people's names right, and when we were talking about him, i got it right all the time because I was hearing it, and now I'm trying to bring him up a month later. and Nico Iamaleva.
01:18:06
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Sure.
01:18:07
Jordan
He was given $8 million to a year to go to Tennessee, and he hadn't done anything.
01:18:14
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01:18:14
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That's going to be one where I hold on. This is pay for play. Ooh, you can't do that.
01:18:19
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And we're not doing that per se.
01:18:21
Jordan
Where's the money coming in? Like, what are we talking about?
01:18:23
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Yeah.
01:18:24
Jordan
Like, so that is the hope. I'm speaking to the hope. I am not saying it's going to happen because i don't have any faith that any of this goes perfectly and nothing in the life goes perfectly, but it definitely never goes perfectly when you're talking about billion dollar businesses and various schools.
01:18:39
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Yeah, of course.
01:18:40
Jordan
But the hope is you are getting paid from the school. That's where most players are getting their money from. The superstars and the stars are always going to get their Nike and their Adidas and their Gatorades and their whatever contracts, right?
01:18:54
Jordan
Your Heisman winner is going to get the Nissan Heisman commercial, so right? That is your Jujus. That is your Jeremiah Smiths. That is your Caleb Downs. That is your Caleb Wilson. That is your Hannah Hidalgo. Those players who are getting these by major companies.
01:19:10
Jordan
And then where they are trying to restrict is insert car dealership, insert local grocery store, insert local tax office.
01:19:17
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you just They just have to make sure that the deals make sense. they they That's really what it comes down to.
01:19:20
Jordan
Yes.
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is that they're
01:19:21
Jordan
Anything over $600.
01:19:23
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Anything over $600, like, what are y'all doing? who Who authorized this?
01:19:25
Jordan
And so how this works? Yes. How this works, and this is where the big issue is going to come in, is it does have to be self-reported. But everyone's like, why is the 18-year-old going to self-report it?
01:19:33
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Yeah.
01:19:35
Jordan
They're not. It's going the compliance office.
01:19:36
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Absolutely not.
01:19:37
Jordan
Like, let's be honest. like When it says self-reported, they really mean by the school. Like, the compliance office is going to report this, not the kid.
01:19:42
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, because they're starting to even restructure like staff and stuff to have like NIL professionals working at the schools directly.
01:19:50
Jordan
Yes.
01:19:52
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And in some in some cases, negotiating the deals on the athlete's behalf.
01:19:56
Jordan
Yes.
01:19:57
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So there there's also a change.
01:19:58
Jordan
so that So insert uncle, grandma, cousin, shady friend can't say I'm your i'm your agent and and get you in a 360 deal.
01:20:01
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01:20:04
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Yeah, yeah.
01:20:09
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Not a 360 deal. Yeah.
01:20:09
Jordan
So yeah, that is that is that is the the sort of goal with that.
01:20:13
Jordan
And basically what happens is you're going to submit it. If it's fine, it's fine. If they say, hey, we don't think that this is fair market. So let's say DJ, I'm giving you $100,000 to be the co-host of Power 2 Podcast.
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Oh my God.
01:20:28
Jordan
they can say
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01:20:29
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They can say that this is not fair market. We believe you should only get $50,000. Then you can say, okay, that's fine. I'm going to rework the contract. They're going to pay 50. you can say, think this is still wrong.
01:20:43
Jordan
then you go a second time If it's denied a second time, then it goes to arbitration.
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Oh God.
01:20:49
Jordan
If you lose arbitration, which is what happens in baseball and all the other kind of things, then you lost it. If you can make the case, then you win it. This is not a new concept. Arbitration exists in other sports, but largely in baseball. Baseball is a really big one, which is also why, and the last thing that I have to say on this, the leader of the College Sports Commission is someone coming from baseball.
01:21:10
Jordan
um And I think part of this is two things. One, because of ah some of the scandals and some of various things in baseball, it's relevant. but then also when you're talking about money and things baseball is one of the only sports that still has arbitration If you don't know, baseball's contracts are insane.
01:21:27
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Ridiculous.
01:21:27
Jordan
And so basically, you are under team control for like six years. But after three years, you can go to arbitration where I can say, hey, DJ, you've been a star for me. But like, I still think you only deserve $2 million. dollars DJ can say, I think I deserve 10. I'm not going to sign your contract.
01:21:43
Jordan
DJ can't sign with any other podcast. But what happens is since we can't agree, we go to someone else. And DJ says, I've been on this podcast for two years. I did whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
01:21:55
Jordan
and the the The team is like, I'm broke because let's be honest, it's crazy. But the team goes in and says, well, we think they did this and we've determined this or that. And basically you want to lose arbitration. They say, I side and side of the player. yet that You have to pay 10 and the team has to pay 10.
01:22:12
Jordan
They say, unfortunately, player, you lost. And then you all you have to accept two. And that's basically what's going to happen.
01:22:18
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Yeah.
01:22:18
Jordan
They're going to say yes or no. If it goes to arbitration, the arbitration is going to say this is what the number is and everyone has to agree with it. That's how that works.
01:22:28
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Period.
01:22:29
Jordan
That's that. You're going to hear a whole lot of things.
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I'm exhausted.
01:22:34
Jordan
We may talk about things, but the one thing that I'll say and the one thing that hopefully I will stick to unless something crazy comes out, we just won't know. for two or three, four years. like you just You can't know.
01:22:44
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No, there's no way to know how all this is going to turn out.
01:22:46
Jordan
There's no data.
01:22:46
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Yeah.
01:22:47
Jordan
like Just let it play out and we'll see.
01:22:49
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Yeah. and Because even with the fair market conversation, like there is no fair market until the market has, breath until there's breadth in the market.
01:22:57
Jordan
Right.
01:22:59
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So we'll be able to determine those types of numbers maybe in the next like five to 10 years because athletes would have been paid for long for a long amount of time where we could start to aggregate data and know like, okay, a shoe deal for a women's basketball player of this caliber should be within this range and all of that.
01:23:02
Jordan
Yep.
01:23:15
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They just can't know that yet, which is why some of the NIL deals are as ridiculous as they are because we we just don't know.
01:23:21
Jordan
There's no, right.
01:23:22
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Yeah.
01:23:22
Jordan
And even before the settlement and things, there was always this sort of conversation that like, in five years, it's not going the same.
01:23:28
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It's not going to be the same because it can't be, but it's also not sustainable.
01:23:28
Jordan
Everyone is a...
01:23:31
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It's not sustainable to pay your quarterback $2 million dollars and your star wide receiver $8 million dollars and your star, whoever, what that's not sustainable. So there's going to be, I mean,
Athletes as University Employees?
01:23:40
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even with a lot of universities with the collectives, that's why they were coming up with the collectives and saying, okay, we're going to pay athletes $20,000 each.
01:23:49
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so So that way they can play and blah, blah, blah. Obviously before we knew the schools could pay the athletes directly. So they're going to, It's going to go up and then it's going to come right back down. But stay tuned because this is huge.
01:24:03
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I also love that for the athletes who did not get the chance to obviously get paid. Now, at least getting something out of this, because I think that was that's how all of this came up in the first place. Right. So I live for the fact that we are going to say like, hey, athletes who could have had a chance at this, we're still going to make sure you are good.
01:24:23
Jordan
And that's all that we have because we are not lawyers. Nor do we have the ultimate faith in
01:24:26
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it's that's two sports like classes that is all i got for y'all okay that is all but so the biggest thing i think that we are looking forward to as far as the fallout is of course the ncaa wanting to have something codified as far as them being you know with antitrust but so that way they're not getting constantly sued over and over again about this stuff um and also uh why did it just leave my brain
01:24:56
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I was going say something else. It just it just completely left me. Oh my gosh. What the heck?
01:25:05
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Oh my gosh. What the heck? why Why did I just forget what I was about to say?
01:25:09
Jordan
Ah, that's tough. Yeah. Well...
01:25:10
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What the heck? It's like important too.
01:25:19
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my gosh. Whatever. there's this's There's other things. I ah forgot.
01:25:24
Jordan
yeah
01:25:25
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Oh, the biggest, the, one of the biggest things is obviously also with athletes being paid directly by the universities.
01:25:25
Jordan
well
01:25:31
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There's a whole thing about whether or not athletes are considered employees of the university and how that's going to work out. Um, because there's just still a lot of questions now that this has been determined, like just cause the house settlement has happened does not mean like everything's going to be fine.
01:25:43
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Like there's still so many questions.
01:25:43
Jordan
Yes.
01:25:45
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So we will see.
01:25:46
Jordan
Some of the lawsuits that are still out there that could not be combined with this
01:25:49
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Yeah.
Golden State Valkyries' Stunning Victory
01:25:52
Jordan
are around employment.
01:25:53
Jordan
And again, that is why they're looking for this to be codified and they're looking for the antitrust because what they're saying is we're better than we were 60 years ago. We are paying players.
01:26:03
Jordan
They can get brand deals. They are doing these things. We've acquiesced to a lot. Can we still, can they not be employees? And I am on the line that they don't need to be employees.
01:26:11
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Can they not? Yeah.
01:26:14
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I don't think they should be employees either.
01:26:14
Jordan
Like for me,
01:26:15
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I don't think they should be employees either.
01:26:15
Jordan
If this works, that's fine. Because my biggest problem is you're making millions and billions of dollars off the off the backs of 18 and 19-year-olds and not getting no money.
01:26:19
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That's.
01:26:25
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And you're not giving them any anything.
01:26:26
Jordan
These 18, 19-year-olds can go to the Olympics and they couldn't cast a check until they were done.
01:26:26
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Yeah.
01:26:32
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Yeah, that's insane.
01:26:33
Jordan
Like they couldn't do the break. Like, so it's that kind of I don't think so. We'll see. But like, yes, the overall point, this is something, this is a step. We won't know how good or bad it is for three, four, five years, but also this does not mean the end of all things. There are still things that have to come over this.
01:26:48
Jordan
This is just a very large step.
01:26:51
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a very big step yes um moving on to the two-minute warning mine is quick uh the goal to save Valkyries smacked up the Las Vegas Aces yesterday it was it was shocking like it was it was shocking I watched the end of the game they were just rolling man Kayla Thornton was having the game of her life Veronica Burton was having the game of her life Kate Martin was having a good time like
01:27:01
Jordan
Smacky one.
01:27:07
Jordan
I got the notification on my phone and thought it was fake.
01:27:18
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They were just rocking. And that crowd is crazy. I mean, it was a, it was a cellar. It was like 18,000 people there. It's giving very much six man energy. Like that crowd was juiced up and they were just playing well. The thing about it is, is the Golden State Valkyries have a really, really great system. I feel like a lot of people were just like, Oh, they just put a whole bunch of nobodies on the team together. did it did it ah But the problem is when you get a whole bunch of role players,
01:27:40
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That's not always a bad thing because now none of these people are coming in here expecting to be all dominant. They know how to share. They know how to move. They know how to cut. They know how to run around one another because they've been role players at every other team that they've been on.
01:27:52
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But also what's really cool is that now people who had the potential to be stars at teams that they were on, but there was always somebody else. can be stars now. Hence Kayla Thornton, Monique Billings, Veronica Burton, those people who they always kind of were living in the shadows of whatever team that they were on. Like Kayla Thornton is a champion because she was in New York, but did she get many touches during that championship run?
01:28:14
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Not necessarily, but now she's, I mean, she just got her first 20 point double double. So it's like, it's not like these women weren't capable. They were just on teams that had more stars. um Also Natalie, Naomi, Natalie, Natalie, Natalie, Natalie Nisake.
01:28:28
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I think that's her name, the coach.
01:28:28
Jordan
Osaku... yeah, but...
01:28:30
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Nasaki is her last name. She is a child of of the one of the best coaches in the WNBA, not like actual child.
01:28:31
Jordan
yeah. Hm. Yes.
01:28:36
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um She's in the coaching tree with Becky Hammond. So I think there's that. Also, the best person to scout a team is a person who used to work for said team.
01:28:47
Jordan
yes
01:28:48
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So obviously Golden State is always going to have Las Vegas' number because they used to – because Natalie was there for four years. So there's that. But also with Vegas, they're just not meshing.
01:28:59
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Like Jewel Lloyd still hasn't been able to do what she needs to do as far as what we expect her to do from a scoring standpoint. Jackie Young is being very, very inconsistent. Chelsea Gray is doing her best, but also at the end the day. But Asia Wilson leads the team in all categories and steals, blocks,
01:29:16
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points and assists. How are you leading the whole team in all four? yeah That is not normal. Like, that's not normal.
01:29:23
Jordan
No. And as much as as much as that speaks to the greatness of Asia Wilson, it also speaks to the flaws in the team.
01:29:29
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In the team. Yeah. And the bench is just non-existent. Like it is just non-existent. I know that Crystal Bradford, she's pretty
Clips Reunion and Closing Remarks
01:29:36
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good. And obviously they have a Leah Nye who's a rookie. um But other than that, I mean, like KB is basically silent.
01:29:42
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Like I couldn't name anybody else on the team. I mean, Dana Evans is okay. Like it's one of those things where it's like, we also don't have a lot of depth. So it's like, what, what do, and I say we, cause I en root for whatever team Asia Wilson is on and she's made it very clear. She's not leaving Vegas.
01:29:55
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So it's just like, I don't know. I just feel like we're fumbling the bag a little bit. And i don't really know. I'm not going to do the overreaction of like Vegas is going to have a bad season now. But it's also like this was the biggest franchise. This was the biggest win in expansion team history.
01:30:09
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They beat them by 27. Like.
01:30:15
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Yeah.
01:30:17
Jordan
Yeah. Mine is actually going to be very quick.
01:30:18
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Yeah.
01:30:21
Jordan
Clips is releasing a new album.
01:30:23
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Oh, I don't know who that is.
01:30:23
Jordan
And... okay So if you do not know who Clips is... do Okay, first of all, do you know who... Oh my gosh. You really don't know who Actually, I don't why going ask that.
01:30:36
Jordan
That didn't surprise me that you don't
01:30:38
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I don't know who any of these people are. If I'm being honest, I don't know who any of these people Go ahead. you
01:30:42
Jordan
know who Clips is.
01:30:43
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I don't know who any of these people are.
01:30:45
Jordan
You know who Pusha T is, right?
01:30:47
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I know who Pusha T is, yes.
01:30:48
Jordan
Okay, so Pusha T, when he first started rapping, he used to rap with his brother.
01:30:54
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I'm assuming his brother is Clips.
01:30:54
Jordan
Together they're clips. No, no, no.
01:30:56
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Okay.
01:30:56
Jordan
Together they're clips.
01:30:56
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Oh.
01:30:57
Jordan
His brother is Malice.
01:31:00
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Okay.
01:31:00
Jordan
You have absolutely heard them, of course. You have, especially if you listen to Pharrell, because they're all from Virginia and they did a lot of things together. Have you heard, i like that one? That was a very bad example. It doesn't matter.
01:31:12
Jordan
You've heard some songs...
01:31:12
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Go ahead and just tell us what's going on.
01:31:16
Jordan
ah just wasn't I just wasn't expecting you to say, it doesn't matter. I know for a fact that you have heard Clip songs.
01:31:23
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Okay.
01:31:23
Jordan
Doesn't matter. The point is none. The point is this.
01:31:26
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They're coming up with a new album.
01:31:27
Jordan
The point is this. Clips came out, they were really good, and then Malice decided to be no Malice and quit rapping and preach. So then Pusha T rapped on his own for X number of years.
01:31:37
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Oh.
01:31:40
Jordan
They have not released a joint album in 20 years, and so this is huge because...
01:31:43
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Oh.
01:31:46
Jordan
Clips was one of the better rap duos. They were like, if they had rapped forever, like they're up there with the outcast and the and then like they were very good.
01:31:53
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Oh.
01:31:54
Jordan
And then Malice found God and decided to be no Malice. And so for, I mean, they're brothers, right?
01:32:02
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Yeah.
01:32:03
Jordan
Over the time, they didn't stop talking because they weren't rapping together. However it came about, they're releasing an album in July, and I'm very excited for it because Clips is one of those things where it's like, I know them, but they weren't really kind of, like by the time no but Malice became No Malice and stopped rapping, they weren't really, really our generation, just like Jay-Z really, really wasn't our generation.
01:32:06
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do Obviously.
01:32:25
Jordan
but then he kept rapping right he started in the 90s and things so uh i think this is excited for a lot of like sort of like rap heads and things like that and so that's it clips is dropping out in july and that's the show as always we want to thank you for listening you can follow the show on instagram and on youtube at get defensive sports network you can also follow ah on tiktok at gdsportsnetwork
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Period.
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Period. It is.
01:32:54
Jordan
And we will catch you next week.
01:32:58
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y'all.