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I-80 Football Show: What if the 16-team playoff started in 2014?
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The Big Ten has won the last two college football national championships and is poised to compete for three in a row. With rumors of the playoff expanding again from 12 to 16, we go back in time to look at how the Big Ten would've fared with a 16-team playoff. You may be surprised by how the data plays out and who would've been the biggest beneficiary of expanded access over the past 11 seasons.
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Introduction and Personal Updates
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Get Defensive Sports Network
What's good, everybody? Welcome in to another episode of Good Defensive Sports Network's I-80 football show. As always, I'm your host, Jordan. I'm here my co-host, Dante. This is a pre-recorded episode.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So if there's any news that happens, we're not ignoring it.
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Dante
Yes, sir.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
We just can't talk about
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Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Dante, how you living? Even though I just asked you this an hour ago.
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Dante
the Probably the answer would have been the same regardless if we recorded this like we were supposed to. Chilling, doing all right.
00:00:38
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
00:00:41
Dante
Honestly, we're just talking about it. like Been in the gym and stuff, and it's nice, but I am hungry, man. like um I shouldn't be this hungry, but I am, so.
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Dante
After this, I'm definitely going to be getting something eat.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
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Dante
It's probably to be bad for me, but I kind of don't care.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
ay Hey, what can you do?
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Dante
Yeah, it happens, you know?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
You gotta eat.
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Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah, um'm um I think on this day and time, I'm doing well as well. i'm also probably an uncle for the second time. So ah my my niece is beautiful.
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Dante
Oh, nice, nice. congratulation Congratulations.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So yeah, thanks.
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Dante
Congratulations.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Thanks. yeah, so let's but yeah so let's
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Dante
Welcome to the, you know, the two little ones that aren't your little ones crowd, Club.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
You have two?
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Dante
Yes, my sister had a another boy couple months ago, like three months ago.
00:01:30
Get Defensive Sports Network
Not our sisters on the same timeline. Because aren't they about the same?
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Dante
Just about.
00:01:34
Get Defensive Sports Network
i Wasn't the first one around the same time too? How old was your nephew?
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Dante
Yeah, he... Three? Three.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
What's his birthday?
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Dante
ah February.
00:01:45
Get Defensive Sports Network
No, literally the same month.
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Dante
End of February. End of February.
00:01:48
Get Defensive Sports Network
So literally the same month for the first one.
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Dante
Mm-hmm.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
And then the second one, like a couple of months apart.
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Dante
He, uh, yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Because my nephew is three and he was born the first of February.
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Dante
My other nephew will be three months, so he was born in, what is it? Well, he is three months, so he was born in, what's this month? Seven, so April? He was born April.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah, not our sisters on the same timeline.
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Dante
April or March, one of those.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
That's crazy.
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Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
And here we are, no kids. Well, want kids, though.
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Dante
Yep. Yep.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
All right, so you go back and see that the the nephews the nephews getting you
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Dante
I go back and forth, but I'm okay. I'm i'm honestly okay with either one No, no, no. I'm okay either way. I've always been okay either way.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
OK, OK, I got you.
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Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
That's that's fair. That's fair. Well, we're not here to question if you want kids
Preview Season for Big Ten
00:02:35
Get Defensive Sports Network
or not. We're here to talk about the Big Ten.
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Dante
but
00:02:36
Get Defensive Sports Network
We have 10 questions for the Big Ten. Also, for those of you who are wondering, if you can't tell, this is our first of our previews as as we start to kind of work into preview season.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
The next episode or the episode after that, we will be fully in two. Not sorry, not the next episode. Two episodes. um will be starting preview season.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So, yeah.
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Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
I guess we should get to it.
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Dante
We're here.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
um
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Get Defensive Sports Network
I think we might be doing...
Hypothetical 16-Team Playoff Discussion
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Get Defensive Sports Network
hold on. I think we might. No, no, no. Never mind. Sorry. I'm looking at too many things. I'm doing too many things. um All right. Ten questions. First question for the Big Ten.
00:03:26
Get Defensive Sports Network
Does Ohio State take a step back after winning a national championship?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
I think.
00:03:38
Get Defensive Sports Network
Oh, wait, we are doing the wrong episode, by the way. Good thing we just started.
00:03:45
Dante
What is this episode supposed to be?
00:03:48
Get Defensive Sports Network
supposed to be a playoff review. if the If the playoff was 16 years. If the playoff was 16 teams for the last 11 seasons.
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Dante
ah who would've got in?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
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Dante
Oh, shit.
00:04:03
Get Defensive Sports Network
trying I'm trying to match this podcast with Power 2. so we're You know what? Hey, it doesn't matter because the work is already done. So we're just switching.
00:04:13
Get Defensive Sports Network
We're just switching live, mid-episode, because we're doing the wrong episode.
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Dante
Okay.
00:04:19
Get Defensive Sports Network
That was going to make me mad if these dropped. like that This is behind the show. As you all know, have two podcasts, one Dante, one with DJ. I typically do the show plans of sorts for both.
00:04:31
Get Defensive Sports Network
And since I'm going to be out, I was trying to make it so like it's basically like what you see on Bigger Program, where both all the podcasts are talking about the same thing. So... So this episode is supposed to be a 10-year playoff review.
00:04:45
Get Defensive Sports Network
And then the next episode, which we don't have to prerecord, but I had to prerecord with DJ because of my schedule is the 10 questions. So, yeah, you know, I lied.
00:04:56
Get Defensive Sports Network
I lied. Do you have the link? You should have the link. Did I give it to you?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
i can I can, yeah, but I'll also send it to you right now if you don't have it.
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Dante
Was it an email?
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Dante
I think I'm playoff at our conference.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Playoff era conference champs, yeah.
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Dante
Yeah.
00:05:12
Get Defensive Sports Network
All right. ah let's Let's be better. All right. Let's be better, people. And let's do the right show. So this is actually, despite my best efforts,
00:05:27
Get Defensive Sports Network
a show about Big Ten teams in the playoffs over the last 11 seasons. Last year, we already know what happened, but over the last 11 seasons, if the playoffs... Well, actually, not technically, we don't know what happened because the playoff was 12.
00:05:43
Get Defensive Sports Network
If the playoff was always 16. So this was a fun exercise to do. It was also a lot of work to do, but I think it was pretty interesting. like The data, I think, that came out of it was really interesting, and I'm excited to...
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Get Defensive Sports Network
sort of share it with you all and talk to Dante about it. And I don't know that he's looked at this, so this is going to be fresh for him. So we're going to get his live reactions.
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Dante
This is definitely fresh for me.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So the reason why we're doing this, as all of you know, for it's twofold, right? One, I would like to stop talking about the 16-team playoff or the 14-team playoff or the 12-team playoff or insert playoff until they actually make a decision.
00:06:27
Get Defensive Sports Network
um But we don't know when they're going to make a decision. And so I just thought, like, if we're talking about 16, let's just knock it out.
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Dante
If they do.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Let's just do one. Let's do a review of history and then not talk about it again until they make it a decision. So... That's why we're doing it, because we're most likely going to be 16 teams.
00:06:46
Get Defensive Sports Network
And when you when you change, especially when you make big changes, you always want to look back and think about sort of what it would be like, what it would have looked like if that iteration always existed, and whose fortunes would have changed.
00:07:00
Get Defensive Sports Network
um And surprisingly, and i mean, unsurprisingly, there are some changed fortunes, if this is the case. So there are, are you on top one or two?
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Dante
Sheet 1. Okay.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
ah Okay, stay on sheet one There are, let's see.
00:07:27
Get Defensive Sports Network
There are 12 out of eight current 18 teams who would have made the playoffs at least once. Do you want to guess who has never made it, or do you want to guess the 12 who has made it?
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Dante
Mmm.
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Dante
I'm going to with never made it.
00:07:48
Get Defensive Sports Network
Okay, so you have six teams who have never made, and this hypothetical, yeah, because there's 18 teams, that there are six teams who hypothetically would have never made even 16-team conference.
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Dante
Six teams.
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Dante
Hmm.
00:08:07
Dante
OK. I'm going to go with Minnesota is one.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Who are they?
00:08:15
Get Defensive Sports Network
Unfortunately, you are correct.
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Dante
Illinois,
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Also correct.
00:08:24
Dante
Nebraska, UCLA.
00:08:26
Get Defensive Sports Network
Definitely correct.
00:08:31
Dante
Oh, OK. OK. u c l a
00:08:36
Get Defensive Sports Network
Wrong.
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Dante
oh okay
00:08:41
Get Defensive Sports Network
We'll do the, what is it, not Jeopardy. We'll do the Steve Harvey thing. You get three strikes. So that's one strike. One strike, three more teams.
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Dante
I have three more teams to do.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yep.
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Dante
Oh, my
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Dante
god, I can't think. What else is there?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
So right now you have, you got, you were right about Minnesota.
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Dante
Right.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
You were right about, who else did you say?
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Dante
I said Illinois, and I said Nebraska.
00:09:18
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah, you were right about all of them.
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Dante
ah
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Dante
Wisconsin?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Wisconsin would have made it, so that's two strikes.
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Dante
Ah, damn. Okay. ah
00:09:34
Get Defensive Sports Network
I think you're overthinking this. You should definitely at least get two more.
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Dante
Purdue?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes, that's four.
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Dante
Okay.
00:09:47
Dante
I want to say Northwestern, but I think that's wrong.
00:09:53
Get Defensive Sports Network
Is that a guess? Are you talking it through?
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Dante
I'm talking it through. a All
00:10:03
Dante
right, Northwestern.
00:10:06
Get Defensive Sports Network
Wrong.
00:10:06
Dante
I know. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.
00:10:07
Get Defensive Sports Network
they made it They made it once.
00:10:08
Dante
Because they made it once.
00:10:09
Get Defensive Sports Network
I'm surprised. It's it's Maryland and Rutgers.
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Dante
Yeah.
00:10:13
Dante
I couldn't think of them. I couldn't think of them.
00:10:15
Get Defensive Sports Network
he just The name slipped your mind?
00:10:17
Dante
Yeah, Maryland and Rutgers. Yeah, I would have got this right if I would have remembered those two schools. I definitely would have got it right.
00:10:23
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
00:10:23
Dante
Because I was on a roll.
00:10:24
Get Defensive Sports Network
um
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Dante
like
00:10:25
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah, you are. So there are six there's six schools out of the current 18-team conference who would have never made the playoffs, even in a 16-team. Minnesota not making it surprised me because they had that year where they went where they won 11 games, but I think they were, or whatever it was, but like, hold let me see what season that was.
00:10:41
Dante
Yeah.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Minnesota. Was it 11 games that they won?
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Dante
Are you sure? I think they tailed in at the end.
00:10:54
Get Defensive Sports Network
Okay, let me see.
00:10:54
Dante
What year that UCLA would have made it?
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Get Defensive Sports Network
I'll just...
00:10:57
Get Defensive Sports Network
ah That's a good question. You can actually look that up because it's on the first sheet while I look up.
00:11:02
Dante
Oh, it's 2014. Uh-huh.
00:11:04
Get Defensive Sports Network
Okay.
00:11:05
Dante
Okay.
00:11:08
Dante
I was looking for it. I was like, where is it? Where are they?
00:11:11
Get Defensive Sports Network
Okay, so Minnesota record by year. Because there was a ah year where they were really good because we talk about it all the time. Yeah, so 2019 they went 11-2.
00:11:22
Get Defensive Sports Network
OK, so now let me check this. maybe Maybe we're going to find out that I was wrong. College football playoff rankings.
00:11:27
Dante
I don't think they make it.
00:11:32
Get Defensive Sports Network
What year did I say?
00:11:32
Dante
I'm looking at 2019.
00:11:33
Get Defensive Sports Network
2019? OK.
00:11:34
Dante
Yeah.
00:11:37
Get Defensive Sports Network
So I just want to make i just want make sure I didn't mess something up Because that's surprising that they wouldn't have made it at 11 and 2. So now I need to figure out where they were ranked. So 2019, Minnesota.
00:11:49
Get Defensive Sports Network
They were ranked 18.
00:11:52
Get Defensive Sports Network
Because they finished 10-2. The 11 came from the bowl game.
00:11:57
Dante
The ball.
00:11:59
Get Defensive Sports Network
So they were ranked 8th.
00:11:59
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:12:00
Get Defensive Sports Network
Missed their best season, and they still would have missed it. So, yeah, Minnesota never makes it. They were ranked 18th out of the 16-team playoff field.
00:12:05
Dante
I was – I completely forgot about Maryland and goddamn Brooklyn.
00:12:08
Get Defensive Sports Network
So, yeah, and Rutgers. Because they've been awful. I'm surprised they didn't come first, and to your mind. But, I mean, you were you were close.
00:12:17
Dante
the reason why the the reason why i knew it was The reason why I knew it was Minnesota is because they've been, theyve they've been ah especially like the fast those past few years, it was like really high potential and just didn't get there.
00:12:18
Get Defensive Sports Network
You got –
00:12:29
Dante
Like nine wins, eight wins.
00:12:30
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
00:12:31
Dante
So I knew they didn't make it.
00:12:32
Get Defensive Sports Network
It was it was just them breaking your heart that made you remember it.
00:12:35
Dante
Oh, yeah. I knew they were one. And then those other those other other three, I knew I was just like, I was right.
00:12:38
Get Defensive Sports Network
So...
00:12:42
Dante
I just couldn't think of Maryland and Rutgers.
00:12:44
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah. We're going to do one more guessing thing in a second. but So there are 18 teams. Six didn't make it.
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00:12:51
Get Defensive Sports Network
There are... That means there's 12 that made it. Ohio State has made it. Michigan's made it.
00:12:56
Get Defensive Sports Network
Oregon, Penn State... Michigan State, Iowa, USC, Washington, Wisconsin, Indiana, Northwestern, UCLA. um well We're only going to do one more guessing thing because we can't make it the whole show.
00:13:09
Get Defensive Sports Network
So I'm just going to ask you a question. Do you want it to be hard or do you want it to be easy? It's not going to be impossible, but you want it to be hard or want to easy?
00:13:19
Dante
I'll take on the challenge I'll take on the challenge yeah
00:13:20
Get Defensive Sports Network
Your take on the challenge. Okay. There are four teams who would have made the playoffs three times. You have to remember some of these teams were in the Pac-12, but for the sake of a Big Ten podcast, we're talking about them.
00:13:33
Get Defensive Sports Network
Who are the four teams that would have made it three times out of 11 years?
00:13:38
Dante
Just three times and that's it.
00:13:39
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes.
00:13:41
Dante
Just three times and that's it.
00:13:44
Get Defensive Sports Network
So you got to think about schools who have had good years, but not consistently, but which one of those good years may have, you know, allowed them to sneak in you?
00:13:52
Dante
would Would have or have definitely have?
00:13:55
Get Defensive Sports Network
So two of them have made it. Like two of them have made the 14 playoff.
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Dante
Okay.
00:14:03
Get Defensive Sports Network
No, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. One of them has made the 14 playoff.
00:14:10
Get Defensive Sports Network
None of them made the 12-team playoff, if that helps. All of them would have made the 16-team playoff. But um only one of them ever made the 14 playoff.
00:14:24
Dante
And they've only been here three times.
00:14:26
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah, so in this, if it was 16 seeds for 11 years, they would have made it three out of 11 years.
00:14:36
Dante
I'm going to go with Oregon.
00:14:40
Get Defensive Sports Network
Nope.
00:14:43
Get Defensive Sports Network
Oregon would be more.
00:14:44
Dante
Oh, I see.
00:14:44
Get Defensive Sports Network
So think of, yeah.
00:14:45
Dante
Yeah.
00:14:50
Dante
Washington.
00:14:52
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes. Washington's also the only one that ever made the 14 playoff.
00:14:56
Dante
Team playoff, right. Wisconsin?
00:14:59
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes.
00:15:12
Dante
Is it a Pac-12 team?
00:15:14
Get Defensive Sports Network
There's one each.
00:15:16
Dante
already did one each.
00:15:17
Get Defensive Sports Network
Because you have too left and no there there was two left.
00:15:18
Dante
Oh, I got one. Oh.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
know.
00:15:20
Dante
Oh.
00:15:20
Get Defensive Sports Network
There was two Big Ten, two Pac-12, since you asked our answer, so it's one each.
00:15:21
Dante
um
00:15:27
Dante
USC?
00:15:28
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes, they would made it three times, yeah.
00:15:31
Dante
I want to go either Michigan State or Iowa. I'm going to with Iowa.
00:15:36
Get Defensive Sports Network
Correct. You want to know it's funny?
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Dante
it
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Get Defensive Sports Network
Michigan State made it four times. So, like, being like Michigan State or Iowa, like, you were right there.
00:15:41
Dante
Four times? Damn. Damn. Damn.
00:15:44
Get Defensive Sports Network
Like, you were right there. You were right there. So, yeah, theyve Iowa, USC, Washington, and Wisconsin all made it three times.
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Dante
bao
00:15:53
Get Defensive Sports Network
The other one that I was going to ask you is there's three teams that would have made it seven times, but I thought that one was going to be too easy. The three teams –
00:16:00
Dante
ah Michigan, ah OSU, Penn State.
00:16:04
Get Defensive Sports Network
close. OSU's made it way more than seven.
00:16:06
Dante
Oh, it was just seven.
00:16:08
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes.
00:16:09
Dante
oh Penn State, Michigan, Oregon.
00:16:13
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yes.
00:16:14
Dante
a
00:16:14
Get Defensive Sports Network
See, I thought that one was going to be too easy. So Ohio State has made it all 11 years.
00:16:19
Dante
Yeah, that's ah okay. That makes sense. Okay.
00:16:21
Get Defensive Sports Network
Michigan would have made it seven. Oregon would have made it seven. Penn State would have made it seven. Michigan State would have made it four times. Oh, and Michigan State also made the 14 playoff wins.
00:16:28
Dante
Okay.
00:16:32
Get Defensive Sports Network
Iowa...
00:16:33
Dante
They did.
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iowa
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Dante
it They sure did.
00:16:35
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yep. Iowa, USC, Washington, Wisconsin are all three. Indiana's two, including last year. So they would have made it one other time. Northwestern is twice.
00:16:46
Dante
Yeah.
00:16:46
Get Defensive Sports Network
And then UCLA is only once. I do think one of Northwestern's year, though, was the pandemic. So that sort of kind of doesn't count.
00:16:53
Dante
I'm looking right at it. Yes. Mm-hmm.
00:16:54
Get Defensive Sports Network
But so, like, technically one of – actually, so Indiana, Northwestern, both would have made it in the pandemic year, so that sort of doesn't count. And then i one of Iowa's three would have been the pandemic year, but there are two other years that Iowa would have made it on their own without the pandemic.
00:17:09
Dante
They made it the next year after. They would have made it to next year.
00:17:12
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah. Yep.
00:17:13
Dante
Yeah, okay.
00:17:13
Get Defensive Sports Network
And then the other year that they would have made it was 2025, and they would have been the fifth seed. They had a really good year in 2025. They were right outside of the place. So initial thoughts.
00:17:27
Dante
You have to be talking about 2015 and not 2025. Yeah. I was like, wait a minute.
00:17:30
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What did I say? Yeah, 2015, sorry.
00:17:32
Dante
Yeah.
00:17:33
Get Defensive Sports Network
2015.
00:17:33
Dante
i was like wait don
00:17:33
Get Defensive Sports Network
Wrong five.
00:17:35
Dante
yeah
00:17:35
Get Defensive Sports Network
So we had so any any initial thoughts on any of the teams that never made it, the number of times teams made it, surprises? Where are you at now that you've heard the data for the first time?
00:17:47
Dante
um'm the The real surprise is UCLA. I'm not going lie. I didn't expect UCLA had made it even with 16 teams.
00:17:51
Get Defensive Sports Network
him
00:17:55
Dante
That's surprising.
00:17:56
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
00:17:56
Dante
ah The other schools, the four schools that never made it make makes sense.
00:18:02
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
00:18:02
Dante
makes sense And again, I would have thrown Northwestern in there too, but then I remembered the pandemic year and I remember a different year. So was like, they definitely made it in due to record.
00:18:11
Get Defensive Sports Network
Yeah.
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Dante
But yeah, I thought Penn State would have more than just seven.
00:18:16
Get Defensive Sports Network
I did too, actually.
00:18:19
Dante
I thought they would have more, but I do find it hilarious. i When I saw UCLA, I was like, they would have made it in? That's crazy. But that one about there just being three, I knew was right with the Wisconsin-Washington as soon as I said them.
00:18:34
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I knew that. Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. So Penn State's interesting because Penn State had a couple of rough years, so they didn't make it in 14 and 15. Then they would have made it 16, 17, 18, 19.
00:18:43
Dante
Right.
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If you remember, Penn State had a horrible pandemic year.
00:18:47
Dante
Right.
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But we get we discount that.
00:18:51
Dante
Yes.
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But then they had a bad year after the pandemic, too. And that's when everyone wanted him to get fired. And that's when they wanted him to take the USC job and he didn't get it.
00:18:59
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:19:02
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And then they would have made it the last three years. They would have made it 22, 23. And they did make it in 24. I think the other interesting thing about Penn State is there is only... So Penn State,
00:19:17
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every year, that penn state made the playoff they would have made a 12 team playoff.
00:19:23
Dante
Yeah.
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So it still would only be seven, but they would have made, there's never a year that they were 13, 14, 15, or 16. They were always above 12, but most of the times they were like between nine and 12. So like Penn state has essentially never been a top 18, except for twice.
00:19:41
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They did it once in 2016. And then of course they did it last year where they made it and they were the number four seed whatever it was, but they were one of the best teams in the country.
00:19:49
Dante
yeah
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So Penn State, but I definitely thought Penn State would have been like eight or nine. But then when you think about it, 14, 15, they were coming off the sanctions and they were of starting over.
00:19:56
Dante
Yeah, that's all thought I talked
00:20:02
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The pandemic year was bad. And then 2021, I don't remember what the hell happened, but they shouldn't have been that bad. And then if you do the numbers, you get seven.
00:20:10
Dante
to. Yeah.
00:20:11
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Oregon at seven makes sense. Michigan at seven makes sense.
00:20:13
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:16
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Michigan. Michigan State at four. So like Michigan State, like that also made sense to me because like Michigan State was always the best of the rest for like many years.
00:20:26
Dante
Yeah.
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So it makes sense that they have like at least one.
00:20:28
Dante
Remember we kept saying that about Minnesota should be be coming up and be a in Michigan State or Illinois.
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Yep.
00:20:33
Dante
Yep.
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yep and And so they were always the best of the rest. And so it makes sense that they have one more than Iowa and Wisconsin when you're looking at Big Ten schools.
00:20:43
Dante
I thought Iowa honestly would have. I thought Iowa would have. Because I know there's a few times they've had 10 wins and or been playing in that and that Big Ten conference game.
00:20:54
Dante
So I thought they would have a little more than, was it three, four?
00:20:58
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Yeah, three.
00:20:59
Dante
Three. Yeah, I thought they might have four or five, honestly. But, yeah.
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Yeah, so I think the thing with that, and this is hard to get into, so, like, we can't get stuck on it. I think some of that is Big Ten bias, where, like, a 9-3 Iowa was probably, like, 18 or 19, and then, like, a 9-3 Ole Miss was 15 or something like that, where it's just kind of, like – like, we can actually probably look at it, right?
00:21:17
Dante
Mm-hmm.
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So – and –
00:21:25
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i Again, I'm not saying they were good in all these years, but just teams that they could have been like potentially be replaced by. um
00:21:36
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Like in 2019, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame were ahead of them. Those are teams with higher as sort of cachet. 2022... um twenty twenty two I don't know.
00:21:53
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I don't know. Actually, I was interesting. i don't have the but the ability to do the data because I didn't list the top 25 teams in all of these years. It maybe would have been interesting to do that. I do wonder how many years they were close, like how many years they sort of just were outside the range.
00:22:07
Dante
Just missed it.
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But I didn't do that. I didn't do top 25. So, um yeah. So, i get okay. So USC only being three, i think, is very interesting because it just shows how bad they've been for so long.
00:22:28
Dante
Yeah, it it doesn't surprise me at all. i It doesn't surprise me one bit.
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So just to...
00:22:35
Dante
You see it's just been above, like in my eyes, just been a bit better than
00:22:42
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Yes. So i know this is a Big Ten podcast, but just for the sake of talking, these are all of the schools nationally who have made it three times, who would have made it three times.
00:22:54
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And USC is in there. Auburn, Baylor, Florida, Iowa, LSU, TCU, Texas, USC, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin.
00:23:08
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And I said something similar on Power 2.
00:23:11
Dante
Florida only has three.
00:23:14
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You're right. But that's exactly the point that I was going to mention. You think about these, right?
00:23:18
Dante
They have been terrible for a while, though.
00:23:21
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That's why I wanted to do it. Because you think about it and you're like, huh. Florida, Texas, USC, these, what do you think, best jobs in America, blue blood, like all of these things, they've been bad.
00:23:27
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
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Like this is how long they've been bad. In an 11-year span, they wouldn't have made it in the top 16 more than three times. While teams that you can consider upstarts like Wisconsin, Washington, Utah, TCU also would have made it those times.
00:23:49
Dante
Michigan State four times.
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We talk about LSU a lot. I think we talked about this. Would you rather be Ohio State or would you rather be LSU? Where Ohio State you're always in, but LSU, when you have good years, you win a championship.
00:24:02
Dante
Four.
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LSU's won a championship in this time frame, but LSU would only have made 16-team playoff three times, where Ohio State would have made it 11 times.
00:24:15
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So it's like, do you really want to be LSU where for eight out of 11 years, you don't make the playoffs, even if it's expanded, but then one out of those three times you won a national championship?
00:24:33
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Still taking the 11. Like, if LSU would have maybe been, like, seven, then I think you have the conversation. But, like, this is, like, looking at it like this, it's like, no, LSU's not even competing.
00:24:45
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Like, they're not, in the years that they don't win national championships, they're not even 16.
00:24:49
Dante
And I do think they were terrible.
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LSU...
00:24:51
Dante
they a du They were pretty bad too.
00:24:55
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so lsu
00:24:55
Dante
Interesting.
00:24:57
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LSU would have made it in 18-19. So those are both Joe Burrow years. And then they would have made it in 2023, which was the Jaden Daniel year.
00:25:02
Dante
Yeah.
00:25:06
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Yeah.
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Right?
00:25:08
Dante
And that's it.
00:25:08
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Yeah, 2023, which is the Jaden Daniel year. So it's like, when you have Heisman winning quarterbacks, they get in.
00:25:11
Dante
Yeah.
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One of those years, they win a national championship.
00:25:17
Dante
Honestly, you're going in the first five, five years. They don't even, they barely sniff it.
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No, not at all. And then... They were up and down in 2023.
00:25:27
Dante
Oh no. It's, it's really, it's back to back years and then nothing.
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Yeah.
00:25:31
Dante
And then one year. Yeah.
00:25:32
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yeah And again, it's two Joe Burrow years. First, number number one pick, NFL quarterback. And then the one Jaden Daniels year, high pick, rookie of the year.
00:25:45
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And 2023, they were up and down. They didn't have a great year with Jaden Daniels, but I wouldn't have wanted to see them in a playoff. I wouldn't have wanted to give Jaden Daniels a one-game sample to try to beat me.
00:25:57
Dante
Nah.
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But again, the range is just crazy. It's 11 years. You only make it three times.
00:26:07
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Where again, Ohio state, they make it all 11 times. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah. Um,
00:26:15
Dante
It's a bit interesting, can you even mind?
00:26:15
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but yeah
00:26:18
Dante
I thought LSE might have been in it just a bit more,
00:26:22
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The other thing that I thought was, I think this really like like it's really interesting to sort of group these teams because when you think about it, it sort of like makes sense. So, um again, Big Ten show, but I just wanted like to mention it because it shows I think it shows in what group these Big Ten teams are in, right?
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So, there's only two teams that would have made it every year, S. Ohio State and Alabama. Georgia then would have made it nine times.
00:26:48
Dante
Yeah, was like, yeah.
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Georgia would then would have made it nine times. And then the next group is Clemson and Oklahoma.
00:26:53
Dante
Yep.
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The funny thing about this group, Alabama has like multiple championships.
00:26:56
Dante
Yep.
00:27:01
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Ohio State has one in this 11-year span. No, they have two, sorry. Ohio State has two in this 11-year span.
00:27:05
Dante
That's
00:27:08
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Georgia has two. Clemson has two. Oklahoma would have made it eight times and has zero championships.
00:27:12
Dante
it. Has none.
00:27:16
Dante
Has none.
00:27:18
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So it's like you think Oklahoma should be in this group, but again, Alabama has four or five in this 11-year period, and then Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson all have two.
00:27:32
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And then ah Oklahoma comes in, they still have eight appearances, no rings.
00:27:38
Dante
Doesn't matter because they stink.
00:27:38
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Yeah.
00:27:40
Dante
well homeless it's
00:27:40
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Yeah.
00:27:41
Dante
It's the defense. and They don't really have the defense.
00:27:46
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Yep. And so Oklahoma would have made in 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20, and 21. So that is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Yeah, they would have made seven
00:27:56
Dante
Yeah, that makes sense. That's right around and then. Right around then is when 21 is when you left, right?
00:28:02
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yeah
00:28:02
Dante
And took, yeah.
00:28:03
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they would made it seven years in a row basically yeah no yeah you're right that that so basically they would have made it essentially every year under lincoln ryan I think, I don't remember exactly when he took over, like 15 and 16 may have been Bob Stoops, but they would have made it every year under Lincoln Riley and then just lost.
00:28:21
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Like, they would have lost every year.
00:28:22
Dante
you
00:28:23
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So it's just like, that's really interesting. And then they would have made it in 2023, which is the the one good year that they had under Davos. God, i can't think his name right now.
00:28:36
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So, and then so we have Clemson, Oklahoma, and then the group of teams that would have made it seven times, we've already talked about most of them, because three of them are in the Big Ten now. The other one that would have made it seven times is Notre Dame.
00:28:49
Dante
oh Yeah. Okay.
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I think that makes sense, right?
00:28:51
Dante
Yep. Yeah. That makes perfect sense.
00:28:52
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Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, top of the sport. Oklahoma is an anomaly. And then you have Michigan, Notre Dame, Oregon, Penn State as that sort of second tier who's like had up and downs, has been hungry. Like you think... but that's really the tear but especiallying until Michigan won in 2023, that's really the tier where you're like, why haven't they won a national championship yet? Like, why aren't they closer?
00:29:17
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And so it's just interesting to me how the data really sort of plays out into what you really think about these teams in real life as well. um And then, of course, like Michigan, you think of in a better favor a little bit because they did win that national championship.
00:29:34
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But like, yeah, you would group
00:29:34
Dante
Yeah.
00:29:36
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You probably group Michigan, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Penn State. and And a lot of areas, you sort of group them together. And they end up sort of in this group as well.
00:29:52
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The last thing I want to do before we talk go back into the Big Ten, because they're focusing a lot outside of the Big Ten. Of this group that I mentioned that would have made it seven or more times, Every single one of these teams, so it's nine teams, seven of the nine teams are currently in the Big Ten or the SEC.
00:30:12
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The only ones who are not is Clemson's in the ACC and Notre Dame is on its own.
00:30:16
Dante
Yep.
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the The current Big Ten teams make up four of the seven, and then current SEC teams make up three of the seven. So I also think that sort of, but it's also, it's sort of weird though, because like Oklahoma's in this list, but then the SEC, but they're not good anymore.
00:30:33
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So you sort of replace Oklahoma with Texas, but yeah, so it's sort of shows. i thought that was interesting as well, but in our sort of a big 10 thoughts, which program, not Ohio state edition, which program do you think,
00:30:51
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would have benefited the most from making the playoffs the number of times they would have made it hypothetically.
00:30:58
Dante
Outside of Penn State?
00:31:00
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I mean, there are there are two other teams that would have made it seven times. So, like, is Penn State your answer or ah do you think someone else?
00:31:08
Dante
i
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But, like, you you can choose Penn State if you still if you think that's the answer, yeah.
00:31:12
Dante
The other answer is Oregon, who came close twice, right? Winning the championship?
00:31:19
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I think they made the championship game. No, no, no. They didn't make the championship. I can never remember if Oregon played.
00:31:31
Dante
It'd be Oregon or Penn State in my...
00:31:32
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Yeah. So Oregon made the championship game in 2014 and lost to Ohio State.
00:31:37
Dante
Okay. So I would either go Oregon or or Penn State. Those would be the two answers for me.
00:31:44
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Yeah, I think that makes sense, especially because, again, Michigan did make the 14th playoff multiple times and they won a national championship.
00:31:48
Dante
Yeah, yeah. they won They actually did win
00:31:53
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But I'm actually going to go a little different from that. I think those are the the common answers. I'm actually going to go with Michigan State.
00:32:02
Dante
i had So i was thinking that too. i was i was That was going through my head as well.
00:32:07
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Because I just think like Michigan State fell off so heavy and some of it is due to like bad coaching and things like that. But Michigan State making the playoffs has also sort of been spread out.
00:32:20
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So they would have made it the first two years. They would have made it in 14 and 15. They did make it in 15. Then they would have made it in 17. What would Michigan State be if they made the playoffs three times in four years?
00:32:33
Dante
Yeah.
00:32:33
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Like, do the last five years – I just don't think the last five years happen. I think they get better recruits. They get more money. Even if the coach does retire, maybe they get a better coach to come in.
00:32:44
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Right? Like, maybe you're pulling – again, this is the wrong era. But, like, maybe you're pulling a Lincoln Riley. Maybe you're pulling a Dan Lanning. Maybe you're pulling a Kirby Smart. Something like that because you're good instead of having to go – Mel Tucker, who hadn't really won much, but Michigan State's job wasn't that good.
00:33:02
Dante
Okay, yeah.
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So I think
00:33:04
Dante
I will also... Yeah, I see where you're going with that. and i would change I'm going to change my answer. Go ahead, my bad.
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Okay.
00:33:11
Dante
Yeah.
00:33:12
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So yeah, I just think that's interesting. If they make it three times in four years, I think, maybe again, maybe they never win a national championship, but I think their fortune changes, and then they're probably one of the teams that has made it seven or eight times instead of only making it four because they had such a drastic fall-off after 15 and 16.
00:33:27
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:33:33
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And you could argue that like you could argue that they maybe should have been better because they did have two good years in 14 and 15. And so you could argue that maybe they should have had that bump anyways.
00:33:45
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But yeah, I just think that Michigan State's probably my answer.
00:33:51
Dante
My answer now change is going to be Wisconsin.
00:33:55
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Okay.
00:33:56
Dante
Yeah, I think Wisconsin does what you're saying Michigan State would have done if they got in a few more times. I think they get in a little more time to keep they keep who's there that was doing that.
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Oh, that's a good question.
00:34:09
Dante
I think they could
00:34:10
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It's Brett Bielema.
00:34:12
Dante
Yeah, i think he stays. i think he's able to stay because he has more of a national success because the team is making the playoffs and things like that. So, yeah.
00:34:23
Dante
I think Wisconsin is team.
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So then Brett Bielema, in this scenario, Brett Bielema never leaves to be the coach at Arkansas.
00:34:29
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
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I think that's a good i think that's a a good one, too. I think that's an interesting way to look at it. So Wisconsin and...
00:34:36
Dante
I also think he might, he, I think ah Ryan Day doesn't get the Ohio State job and it does become bread.
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Interesting.
00:34:46
Dante
and
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so So the only reason i disagree with that is because Ryan Day was already on staff.
00:34:52
Dante
Yeah.
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And so like Urban Meyer, but if and if people be lying, especially with revisionist history, but Urban Meyer basically said the moment Ryan Day got on staff, he knew he was going to be a head coach at Ohio State.
00:35:06
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So i definitely think, but but again, maybe he, I don't know. I think that's an interesting thing, but I do think Ryan Day probably still gets the job just because it seemed like Urban Meyer all was grooming him to get the job no matter what.
00:35:24
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But yeah, I think, and so to go to the first ones, right, Penn State and Oregon. I have a question for you, though. So Penn State, right, we talk about Penn State as this team that's been close, but hasn't gotten there.
00:35:31
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:35:38
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Do you think making the playoffs hypothetically seven times and makes them feel better, ah do you think they still get to where they're at now because it's we've made the playoffs seven times but we've never won a national championship like do you think that extra level of like success is something that makes them more content than you would say they were before last year or do you think that hunger still shows because now they're used to making the playoffs but they still haven't won
00:36:09
Dante
I think the hunger would show because they would still show. um And I think because they would get better recruits with that making the up.
00:36:23
Dante
They always have competitive games, whether they make the playoffs or not.
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Yeah. So then
00:36:27
Dante
They've always competitive in the two teams that we want to see them with. And I think they end up getting better recruits and they win those games more often. And I think that gives them a more of a hunger to play in the ah in the playoffs and win a national championship. I think they make it more. I think they turn up and be in there eight or nine times we thought they made it.
00:36:48
Dante
Yeah.
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yeah
00:36:51
Dante
And I think they do get a national championship in nine tries.
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so the
00:36:55
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Well, that that's that is the perfect segue to my next question.
00:36:59
Dante
Yeah.
00:36:59
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Is there any team in here that you think doesn't have a national championship but in a 16-team playoff? would So you said Penn State. Do you think anyone else gets one?
00:37:08
Dante
Yeah.
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Does Oregon get one?
00:37:11
Dante
Washington.
00:37:12
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okay Oh, I actually like that one. I actually like that one, yeah.
00:37:15
Dante
Yeah. think it'd be I think it could have been Washington, especially in that earlier those earlier years where they were fighting to make it in and weren't making it in.
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Okay.
00:37:24
Dante
So, yeah.
00:37:25
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Yeah. And actually it's funny because Washington made the 14 playoff twice.
00:37:29
Dante
Yep.
00:37:31
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So, like, Washington is one of those teams that sort of has those ups, which is why I'm really excited to see what Washington does, especially in this this real 12 and then soon-to-be 16 team era.
00:37:41
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So, I think Ohio State, in this scenario, wins at least one more. They have three instead of two because I still think Ohio State was the best team in the country in 2015, and they stumbled against Michigan State, and i didn't get in.
00:37:57
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I think Penn State probably gets one. And I like Washington. Funny enough, I still don't think Oregon wins one.
00:38:04
Dante
I don't know if I can say Ohio State because Ohio State has had 11 years.
00:38:10
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So the thing is, right now we have 14 playoff.
00:38:11
Dante
Oh, God.
00:38:14
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year. but ohio state hasn't made the four every year
00:38:18
Dante
of
00:38:19
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Yeah, so like ah this is like a weird thing in Ohio State lore where sometimes their best teams didn't make the playoffs. And it's because Urban Meyer, and he's admitted to this, Urban Meyer gets bored with success.
00:38:32
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And so like he has a really hard – he overlooks bad teams. So, like for example, in 2015, the reason why we lost to Michigan State is he legitimately just didn't care about that game and he stopped giving the ball to Ezekiel Elliott.
00:38:46
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Ezekiel Elliott had like eight carries in that game. Like it was so bad that Zeke after the game, like in the podium, called out the coaches. So i think that in some of those years that they didn't make it. So for example, 2015, 2017,
00:39:03
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twenty seven
00:39:05
Dante
okay
00:39:07
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like one of those years, I think they they have a chance. 2021, that was the Justin Fields team.
00:39:13
Dante
Yeah.
00:39:13
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um That was his last year. That was a really good team. i also think if you give CJ Stroud more chances, I think he gets one.
00:39:25
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So I'm only saying one. Basically, I think one of Justin Fields or CJ Stroud a rank.
00:39:31
Dante
Okay. Okay.
00:39:34
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So that's that's four years because they both had two years as starting quarterbacks.
00:39:34
Dante
I'll see you next time.
00:39:38
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That's four years. That's 2019 2022. I think one of those years, and we did not always make the 14 playoff in those years, but also even if we did make the 14 playoff, it would have been different. like We would have been playing different teams and different structures as a way other teams lose, whatever.
00:39:56
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i think one i think Justin Fields or cj stra point Ohio State gets three. ah do think pence state gets won I do don't know if I would have picked it, but I do like the Washington one.
00:40:08
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But I still don't think Oregon gets one. And I still don't think Michigan gets more than the one that they got.
00:40:14
Dante
Yeah. Yeah. Michigan gets the one.
00:40:18
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Yeah.
00:40:20
Dante
um And yeah, I think Washington, because Washington played at one point they were playing really well. Boise would have been exciting in those earlier years.
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Yeah, and Boise would have made it twice,
00:40:33
Dante
I'm not an off topic with Big Ten, but yeah.
Reflection on Playoff Impacts
00:40:38
Dante
Yeah.
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and so the the the years that they got in would would be fun for sure.
00:40:42
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:40:43
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Okay, so honestly, i don't have anything else on this. I just thought this was a fun thing to look at. Do you have any final thoughts on any of this that we've talked about so far?
00:40:54
Dante
No, i'm just I'm just very impressed on even even like is I've watched more college football now than I did back then. But the the ability to come close to answering those questions right.
00:41:09
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if Honestly, I would have got them right if I just remembered Maryland and Rutgers.
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Yeah.
00:41:14
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But my my my my football knowledge is just off the thing off the top of the dome. I'm impressed. impressed with myself.
00:41:22
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Yeah, I honestly think even if you remembered one, that would have helped you get the other one.
00:41:27
Dante
Yeah, it really would have. It really would have.
00:41:28
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Because they just go together. Like, Marilyn and Rucker just go together.
00:41:30
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Yeah.
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so But yeah, the fact that that you couldn't think about them was interesting.
00:41:32
Dante
Yeah.
00:41:35
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But yeah, no.
00:41:35
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Yeah, it just stomped me.
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So
00:41:37
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I could not remember them.
00:41:38
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yeah. So 16-team playoff, we've given our thoughts up and down on what we want and how we want it. Oh, so i actually have I actually have one last thing on how we're going to end the show.
Discussion on Playoff Format and Decisions
00:41:52
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And it is future-facing because i forgot that i I forgot that I saved this article. A lot of people have been talking about the Big Ten wanting to do 4-4, 2-2-1 thing.
00:42:09
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Tony Petitti has not talked a lot about it at all. And he finally did an interview to explain why he wants to do it. So I think that's a good way to end the show to just read a couple of his lines on why he is advocating for the 4-4-2-2-1.
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and so Tony Petitti says, the alternative to this system is expanding the field and giving the committee more to do. If you go to 16 and you have 11 at large, you've just added even more decision making.
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The answer is, well, at that point, it gets to be easy because you'll cover everybody. No, because the more spots you put into the system, the more difficult decisions you're making. Teams start to look more alike, as well as as as we all have a tough road loss.
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Some of them may have stumbled at home in a tough conference game. The sequencing of when you play, you might be at a really difficult place and then have to go back home and play somebody else or be on the road for two weeks.
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That journey is really relevant. So I think you make it harder. I think that's interesting, right? Because, like, for example, if you look at last year, how do you determine what nine and three? like Like, 16, they all would have got in, but let's say last year was 14.
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how do you pick How do you pick between all the nine and three teams? So I do think he sort of has has a point there.
00:43:27
Dante
True. I know Alabama still doesn't make it. That's one. There you
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So what else? Let's see if he said anything else interesting. So they do, he of course talks about the scheduling with the eight the Big Ten and Big 12 playing nine games and the SEC and ACC only playing eight.
00:43:48
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:43:49
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And there's little crossover. So Petiti wants each conference to determine which teams qualify for the college football playoff. That's why he wants to set up three college football play-in games and the Big Ten both championship participants would qualify as well as the winners of games between three and six and four and five.
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He says, it's just a way to also normalize your conference schedule because it's really hard sometimes to to tell the difference among our own teams. A lot of times they don't play each other.
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Look at Ohio State last year. Ohio State lost two Big Ten conference games. Technically, they finished fourth in the conference at 7-2. By the end of the playoff run, they were clearly the best team in the country. So I think it's an indication of it's hard to figure this stuff out during the course of the season.
00:44:31
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If conferences choose their own college football call qualifiers, Petitti said leagues will set up better non-conference matchups among the power conferences. The last thing he says is the goal is to play more non-conference games because if you qualify for the college football playoff off your conference record and then a play-in game, the fact that you play a tough SEC or ACC or Big 12 team and maybe get beat on the road or whatever the result is, that might not that might impact your seating down the road, but it's not going to impact your access.
00:45:03
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There's three at largest, so yeah, it does a little bit, but at the end of the day, that loss is a team. So basically he's just saying,
00:45:13
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There's two, one, he doesn't trust the committee and he doesn't trust the committee to be able to pick 11 at largest, which I think is a fair critique. And then he's also saying
00:45:22
Dante
Yeah, no, I believe, yeah, that that's real fair. That's real fair.
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Yeah. And then he also just says that it the thing that other people have said and that if the ah non-conference games don't matter. So in this scenario, if you play nine conference games and those not really 10, right, because you're going to play the playing game.
00:45:42
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If you play 10 conference games, those games determine if you have access to the playoffs. So then the non-con games are sort of just fun moneymakers.
00:45:53
Dante
Yeah.
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It's sort of interesting. And honestly, if you think about it, the NFL sort of works that way too. Because the biggest way to get into the playoffs in the NFL is through your division and your division record.
00:46:04
Dante
Yeah.
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So like when you play outside your division, it doesn't always hurt you as much.
00:46:05
Dante
Yeah.
00:46:09
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yeah
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So I don't know. We've talked about this up and down. so And I don't think he said anything we didn't know. It's just interesting to hear him confirm it.
00:46:17
Dante
yeah
00:46:19
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Does him saying this and change your opinion on this at all?
00:46:19
Dante
yeah
00:46:24
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No, not really. it, it's a great, ah it's a good explanation. Like it does explain things. And I, I, again, the fact that he said, um, he doesn't trust us the committee to make a smart decision or make, make decisions on this, be on their, basis on this, on this subject. I totally, I totally agree.
00:46:45
Dante
Totally agree.
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yeah
00:46:46
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Um, It is interesting, though. It is interesting.
00:46:50
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sure
00:46:50
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Because it it does, it just gives it, and since we're going to do this playoff thing, the NFL has been doing it. Let's do it in that type of way. That makes sense. It does make sense.
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Yeah, i definitely I definitely see the vision of what he's talking about. So ultimately, it probably is going to be 5 plus 11.
00:47:05
Dante
Yeah.
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um I always like the thought of the 4.
Episode Wrap-Up and Teaser
00:47:14
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games and I really only like that because I just wanted more games but ultimately I'm gonna watch it no matter what it's so hopefully unless there's really really big news which is doubtful this gonna be the last time that we talk about the 16 team playoff in particular the next time you hear us talk about the playoff it's going to be who's going to make the 2025 12 team
00:47:20
Dante
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
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and so with that
00:47:38
Dante
Yeah.
00:47:39
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We'll catch you next week. Hope you all had a good July 4th. um Good spending time with your family, someone got on the grill.
00:47:45
Dante
Yep.
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going to have to find a grill to get on to while I'm down there or something.
00:47:46
Dante
Yep.
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And, yeah, we will, of course, know no no more no more kid privileges.
00:47:50
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Pretty sure my father's going to make me get on the grill.
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he gets to say and he gets to sit and talk He gets to sit and talk about how you grow.
00:47:58
Dante
I am a guest. I don't even live here.
00:48:05
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He doesn't have to it no more. But, yeah, you can follow the show on YouTube, Get Defensive Sports Network, on Instagram, Get Defensive Sports Network, on TikTok, GD Sports Network. And we'll catch you next week.
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And next week we'll be live. No more pre-recorded episodes. We'll be live. And next week we will have 10 questions for the Big Ten.
00:48:22
Dante
Yep.
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That that is the right episode.
00:48:23
Dante
Yep.
00:48:25
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So we'll catch you.
00:48:26
Dante
Hopefully he saved the questions.
00:48:28
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i did. i did.
00:48:29
Dante
All right. Good, good, good, good.
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We'll catch you next week.