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Power Two Podcast: Shedeur Sanders vs. The NFL
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In this episode, we recap the 2025 NFL Draft! We discuss Ohio State's chase to break the draft record and Shedeur Sanders' stunning slide.
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Connect with us on Twitter: Jordan: @JordanW330 and DJ: @dj_danaysia
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Transcript
Introduction and Opening Remarks
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What's good everybody.
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Welcome into another episode of land grant podcast networks, power to podcast.
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As always, I'm your host Jordan.
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I'm here with my cohost DJ.
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Hey, good morning, afternoon, evening, late night, whatever.
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Morning.
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Yeah.
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How you looking?
Coffee and Movie Recommendations
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I feel good.
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I have my hair in a ponytail today, so I feel very like I just want to swing it.
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I have my coffee in my cute cup, which I still need to send your wife.
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I keep staying this, so that way I will eventually send y'all some damn cups.
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By the time you remember, they're not going to have them no more.
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You know they be changing styles?
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I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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But yeah, you know, living life, living large and take charge.
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We love that.
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Yes, yes.
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That is from the movie BAPS.
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If y'all did not know, that is from the movie BAPS.
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I did not know that.
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Yes, it's the scene when they walk up to the mansion.
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Oh, what?
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Wait, stop.
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You've never seen BAPS?
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No.
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With Halle Berry.
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I don't think so.
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Okay, so it's on Tubi, which means you have no excuses because Tubi is free.
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Okay.
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Please watch that movie.
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It is hilarious.
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It's also like very like black girl empowerment.
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Honestly, the one of them days reminds me a lot of Baps.
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It has the same kind of like vibe.
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Have you seen one of them days at least?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it has the same sort of vibe.
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Like the one, two punch comedy
Movie Discussions: "One of Them Days" and BAPS
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girl power adventure sort of friendship is the best thing ever sort of story.
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Interesting.
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But it's also 90s.
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So the comedy is really good.
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Yeah.
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One of them days was interesting.
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I don't know how I feel about it.
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It was hitting too close to home.
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You can't play around with rent.
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It was too serious to laugh.
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That movie shouldn't have came out in a recess.
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Shorty was playing around with that rent money too much.
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I'm like, I want to laugh, but also I want to pile drive.
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I want to punch her in the eye.
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What did you mean you gave it to old boy?
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Like, we couldn't have been friends no more.
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And then Shorty gave it to her again.
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Like, come on.
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Like, nah.
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You know, it was a good movie, but it was too serious.
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It needed to be about something else.
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Like, make it about the light billers.
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I know it wouldn't have been as funny.
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But yeah, Rent...
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You wouldn't have the same intensity if it was about the life.
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I was struggling to laugh just thinking about what I would do if somebody didn't pay their rent.
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There were points in the movie where I was like, I'm going to slap this bitch right now.
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What do you mean?
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Even when she was at the interview and she was interviewing for the job and other hijinks happened that I won't spoil for people, but the hijinks that happened while she was at the interview, I would be like... Girl!
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So yeah, it was a good movie.
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But
NFL Draft and Controversial Comparisons
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you know, that's how Issa Rae is.
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Issa Rae creates those types of layers in her art.
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I know, I know.
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It was just a little too serious for me.
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It's a little too serious for me.
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Oh, somebody drug money or something.
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Then I'll laugh.
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Be like a big worm and smoky.
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You know, once you get to the rant, it is no longer funny if there's rant involved.
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I don't be playing.
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You lost me.
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Lost me at rant.
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But no, it was a good movie.
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But yeah, it's all right.
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You know, we live in.
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If you remind me, I may watch the movie.
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I also may not watch it until you put them cups in the mail.
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I think that's a good deal.
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I can't be doing what you asked me and you not doing what I asked you.
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That was like two months ago.
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Yeah, that was like two months ago.
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You said it's like right up down the street.
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How many times you been to Walmart since then?
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Actually, I haven't.
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And I have no groceries in my house.
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And so I probably should take my ass over there.
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But I'm just in general.
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I haven't been to actually have not been to Walmart.
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Okay.
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That's a conversation for another day.
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Anyways.
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I get my groceries at Aldi sometimes.
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Like, I don't always go to Walmart to get things.
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It's like when I run out of laundry detergent, then I'm like, ugh, let me go to Walmart.
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All right, well, I need you to go to Walmart.
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I'm not out of laundry detergent.
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Okay, well, they might be out of here.
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Anyways.
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I'm a subway.
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I'm a subway.
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We have a podcast to talk about.
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That is... We also have a podcast that you can find on YouTube.
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Yes.
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If you're not listening to YouTube.
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Look at Jordan's beautiful face.
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Yes.
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And next time you see me, I'll have a haircut.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'll have a haircut right now, but next time you see me, I'll have a haircut.
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It is.
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But yeah, you also follow the podcast on Get Defensive Sports Network on YouTube.
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But anyways, DJ, what are we talking about
In-depth NFL Draft Analysis
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today?
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We are talking about the NFL draft.
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That's it.
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That's all we're talking about.
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That is all you're getting out of us today.
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Because realistically, you want to talk about hijinks.
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You want to talk about stunts and shows.
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Listen, we'll get to that.
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The damn NFL draft.
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Yeah, we'll get to that.
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Yeah.
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Side note, Shorty ruined my draft watching experience.
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Because you know how I talk about, like, I don't watch one version.
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Like, I don't watch one kind of covers.
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Like, I don't watch, like, ESPN and the other one.
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Oh, yeah.
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And she was just like, oh, so you're watching the modern-day slave auction.
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And I'm just like, oh, my God.
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And then I was, like, explaining the difference.
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And she was like, technically, the one you watch is closer to the slave auction because they actually talk about.
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Talk about them like their cattle.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, like they actually they actually talk about their performance on the field and how good they would be.
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It's like I understand like technically it is more like today it's more traumatic and like crazy to like hear all the backstory and the this person was died and shot but like technically if we talking about it, the one where they talk about height, weight, speed and how good they'd be on the field.
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And so she was watching experience.
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Bless you.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, a particular individual who I was talking to also mentioned their thoughts about how it's a slave auction and things like that.
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And just to be clear to the listeners who want to be dense, when we're drawing that comparison between a slave auction and all of these drafts, if we're being honest, it is because it is basically you are taking
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the body most of the time, obviously not all of the time, but most of the time a black body and you're reducing it down to what its abilities are.
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And then you are selling them essentially to the highest bidder.
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Okay.
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That is what a slave auction is.
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They were taking these black bodies and they were saying, this is what they're valued at.
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These are their skills.
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This is what they can and cannot do, whatever languages they can speak, all that other stuff.
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And then they were giving it to the highest bidder.
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Now you have the NFL specifically, I feel like the NFL is the worst about this, but the draft in general is like this, where these young men are, they put values, they put dollar values on them and they put dollar values on them based on their ability to perform.
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And they come to this combine where they show these different skills and these people are evaluating them down to the length of their toenails to figure out if they should quote unquote,
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own them.
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And these NFL ownership teams and the organizations do, in fact, feel and act like they own these people.
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They do.
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Sorry.
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They act like they own these young men.
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So and it feels like that even more because it's majority young black men who are being evaluated in this way.
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Not saying that there's no white athletes, but let's be for real.
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Like, I'm not sure of the percentages, but I know it's over 50, okay, in the NFL that are black men.
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So just in case you feel like being dense.
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So that was fun.
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It was like, I was trying to watch the draft, and I got that in the back of my mind the whole time.
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That's why I don't watch the draft too much, because I don't like when they get too deep into, like, he sticks to it, and he's such a stud.
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And when they start talking about them, like the animals, I was like, all right.
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Time to go.
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Okay, just let me know who the Cowboys picked when it's all over.
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Just give me a little rundown.
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Not one wide receiver.
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Jesus Christ.
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Go ahead.
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Well, okay, so news, draft-related news, of course.
Conference Draft Performances
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Ohio State had 14 draft picks.
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I am very disappointed because I just knew we were going to tie or break the draft record.
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which is 15, and we had three players left on the board.
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If one of them hadn't have gotten injured, he absolutely would have gotten drafted, but he got injured later in the season.
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And he was good, but he wasn't that good.
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So I feel like he would have been like six or seven, but once you get injured, they don't want to waste that pick on you.
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So that should have tied it.
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And then we had another offensive lineman who maybe people didn't like as much, but like, I just thought he would be worth like a seventh round pick.
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So I'm like, we might get 16.
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Nope.
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Got stuck at 14.
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Nobody drafted in the seventh round.
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And so, I mean, 14 is our record, Ohio state and the big 10 record.
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15 is held by, um,
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Georgia.
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But like, I just thought that this was going to be the year that we did it, especially because the draft started so good with four first round picks and nobody predicted that.
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So it's like, all right, all right.
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Like we might, you know, we might.
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And then a couple of players, like there was a linebacker who got picked earlier than people thought.
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So I'm like, all right, maybe.
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And then you also think like, sometimes you get like the national championship bump.
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Right.
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And then there's two former Ohio state coaches who just left, who are in the NFL, one, Justin Fry with the Cardinals.
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The other one, Chip Kelly with the Raiders.
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So you think, Oh, maybe,
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And then, of course, one of the ones that I was hoping was going to get drafted to break the record immediately got picked up by Justin Fry and the Cardinals.
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They just didn't draft him.
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Oh, they started doing those undrafted signings immediately.
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They do that.
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And they signed him within five minutes to an undrafted contract.
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I'm like, dog, you couldn't have just drafted him?
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You couldn't have just used the pick so we could get the record?
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Please, help me help you.
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What are we doing here?
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They said they are not worried about Jordan's personal agenda for Ohio State.
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It's Ohio State's agenda.
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Ohio State wants to break that record.
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But either way, 14 draft picks was the most in the draft.
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That was cool.
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That's lit.
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And then draft picks by conference.
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SEC led, of course, with 79.
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And Georgia had the most draft picks out of the SEC with 13.
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Texas had 12.
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That's not bad for Texas.
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So...
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It's actually the first time they've had that many since 1987.
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Yeah, because there was a long time where Texas wasn't even getting anybody drafted.
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So Texas is back.
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They're good again.
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They're getting draft picks.
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They're developing players.
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That's pretty solid.
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The Big Ten was second with 71 players drafted, led by Ohio State, of course, with 14.
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And then Oregon was next with 10.
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Come on, Oregon!
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The ACC had 42 players drafted.
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42 players drafted, led by Miami with seven.
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But Miami had the number one pick.
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Cam Ward quarterback, Miami.
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So that was nice.
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But Miami led the ACC with seven.
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Yep.
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One interesting thing.
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Clemson only had three.
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So if you're wondering about the state of where Clemson is right now,
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There you go.
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Only getting three people drafted tells you a lot about what's going on in their program.
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Virginia Tech having five is interesting.
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Virginia Tech has some players.
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It just doesn't contribute to wins.
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I don't know why, but they got some players.
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They do.
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They always have some players.
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The Big 12 had 31.
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Colorado and Iowa State tied.
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No, it's a four-way tie.
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Colorado, Iowa State, Arizona, and Oklahoma State.
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I, yeah, I don't know why I just stopped at Iowa State.
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I was like... Colorado, Iowa State, Arizona, and Oklahoma State all tied with four.
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Obviously, we know Colorado had...
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Travis Hunter.
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Travis, Shador, Shiloh.
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Did Shiloh get drafted?
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No, he signed undrafted.
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Jimmy Horn Jr. got drafted, and then there was someone else.
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They said they had the most wide receivers drafted, so it must have been one of the other receivers.
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Three, yeah.
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They had Travis, who technically received Jimmy Horn Jr., and then I don't remember the other receiver.
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Let's see.
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Maybe this makes you know who these people are.
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Iowa State had two wide receivers drafted.
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They both went to the Texans.
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I was very happy about that because I like their wide receivers.
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Independent was seven, you know, whatever.
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Notre Dame had six players drafted.
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That's pretty solid for them.
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And I just want to say it does not count for the Mac technically because they played at other schools, but the Mac had multiple people drafted who transferred, but only for their senior year.
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So like technically no, but like, for example, CJ West, who's a defensive tackle that was at Indiana.
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He was at Ohio.
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He was at Kent state for three years.
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His senior year, he went and transferred to Indiana, balled out, got drafted, but I was very happy about him.
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Yeah.
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I was very happy about him because he went from Kent state.
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So that is sort of the draft related like newsy items.
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Of course, we have a lot more to talk about.
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But any thoughts on drafts by conference?
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Any schools sticking out?
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Anything that you thought was interesting on sort of a numbers basis?
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Um, you know, the power for really is the power for they made it 223 of the 257 picks.
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So 86% of the draft came from the power for conferences.
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So, you know, if you're ever doing this wrong, by the way, you're supposed to talk about how much the power to had.
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I'm getting there.
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I was on Twitter wanting to like, I was on, I was on Twitter wanting to promote our show so much because after the first round, they're like the power to had 26 out of 30.
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I almost wanted to drop the link, but yeah.
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Oh, also if y'all are lost, that's why our show is called that.
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I mean, we are a powerful duo as well, but.
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Yes, the big four getting 223 out of 257 and then on top of that 150 out of those 257 were from the power two.
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I mean, come on, like, there's a reason why the SEC and the big 12 are hailed as the best conferences.
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As I know, I hate the attitude associated with the SEC, but what did I say?
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12.
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Sorry, big 10.
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Sorry.
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As much as y'all know, I hate the attitude associated with the SEC, though, because
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But they lowkey have a reason.
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They have a reason to be like, we're the best conference in football because the numbers show it.
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But Big Ten, to me, has better vibes.
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What else?
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I was thinking, I was looking at the ones that, of course, the two schools who had the most picks that were not in either the Big Ten or the SEC, and that's Miami, but also Notre Dame.
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I love that Notre Dame is very much like we are a football superpower and we don't need to be in a conference with too many rows.
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I just love that.
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I don't know why I'm obsessed with it.
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I just live for Notre Dame's athletics in general.
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So shout out to them for having six players selected in the draft.
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But Bama still having seven is very interesting.
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And or only having seven, depending on how you want to look at it.
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Yeah, if you want to.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Another one that's interesting, USC only had three.
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I mean, it's just like you can really like, I understand that the draft isn't perfect, especially because like some of these people are just like legitimate idiots and things like that.
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But it does in general sort of tell you about the state of someone's team.
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Especially like, especially when someone drops, right?
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Like when two years ago, USC has 10 or 11 or whatever.
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And then this year they have three and they struggled to get the 500.
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It's like, oh yeah, they don't have talent.
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Like Lincoln is not bringing in talent.
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It's like Alabama wasn't as good.
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They lost talent.
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They didn't like bring it back up.
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Like Notre Dame,
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I mean, it's only six, but they're also sort of young, but like you kind of like really see these kind of teams.
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And then also like, yeah, so it's just kind of like, it's kind of interesting.
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Like Ohio State was down last year, but it's because all of their players came back.
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Like Penn State has five.
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There was a lot of returners.
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Yeah, I say has five, but that's not indicative of Penn State is because other players came back next year.
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They made the record.
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So it's just but overall, it's just kind of interesting to me, like to like you see these schools and you're like, you know, they haven't been that good.
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And then you're like, oh, well, USC only had three players drafted like their years where they have three players in the first round.
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Like, you know, yeah.
00:17:02
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Yeah, I mean, of course, obviously I'm happy about there being two selections for SMU.
00:17:06
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It's been a while since we've had guys actually get drafted.
00:17:08
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We've had guys that went to the NFL, but they were undrafted.
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So I love that we are at least at a point where guys are getting drafted at this point.
00:17:19
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I don't want to sit here and write revisionist history.
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I do not know the last time we've had people drafted, but I know it's been drafted at all.
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I know it's been a minute.
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So yeah.
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Not a long one.
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I think we had somebody get drafted like maybe five years ago or something like that.
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I think you had a running... Did Rashad Penny go to SMU?
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Why am I thinking about that name with SMU?
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I don't know.
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I'll be honest.
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While you're looking this up, I will just say 17 of 18 Big Ten teams had someone drafted.
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Northwestern's the only one who didn't.
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All 16 Big Ten teams had someone drafted.
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No, he was the San Diego State.
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Interesting.
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All 16 SEC teams had someone drafted, with Vanderbilt only having one.
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But Northwestern is the only Big Ten team who did not get drafted, have at least one player drafted.
00:18:14
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Which one?
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I'm sorry I missed it.
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Northwestern.
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Oh.
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Okay, so I'm sorry.
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I said I didn't want to write revisionist history.
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I did forget about Rasheed.
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Rasheed was our last.
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Okay.
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Rasheed.
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I knew it was an R or something.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't know why it was Rashard.
00:18:30
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Rashard, Rashid.
00:18:31
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I don't know why it's not Rashard Penny, but like Rasheed Rice.
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Yes.
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I knew it was somebody.
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The point I'm getting at is we don't always have draft picks every year.
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Like we had Cortland.
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He was in 2018.
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Then two years later, we had James.
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Then we had a couple guys who went in the third and fourth round, a couple more guys who went in the third and sixth round.
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Then our highest draft pick.
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Oh, yeah, Kylan Granson.
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He played for the Colts.
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Yeah, and then our highest draft pick in a while was Rasheed.
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And then this year we had two guys, Elijah Roberts and Broussard Smith.
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Both of them, I believe, were transfers.
00:19:03
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Probably, but I'm like, I don't want to write revisionist history, but the point I'm getting at is we don't always get a lot of draft picks or we maybe we'll only have one.
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And so very proud of us.
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I don't think we've had, we haven't had a year where we've had more than like.
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5 or 5 so with us on the incline that we are on, that will be something that I'll be looking at to see, like, are we going to study the climb these ranks and really have.
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Be a team that starts to produce multiple draft picks.
00:19:31
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Yeah, you had 4 in 2012 for exactly we haven't gotten more than 4 in a minute.
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Or 4 and 83 the last time we had more than 4 was 1959.
00:19:46
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Oh, I haven't gotten that far down.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's the last time we have more than four draft picks.
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So I would love to see us get to a point where we're pumping them out.
00:19:55
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But like I said, this is not indicative of the guys who ended up in the NFL because a couple of my friends, they just didn't get drafted.
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They just signed undrafted contracts or were on practice squads and then got moved up.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah.
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But we are going to take a quick break for the ads and we will be right back to talk about more things with the draft.
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I fear that this is going to be a common theme on this show.
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What's good, everybody?
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00:20:38
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you can do that as well um all right so let's let's have a conversation we are of course going to talk about shador sanders
Shadour Sanders: Draft Experience and Media Portrayal
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versus the nfl we have to i i have one thing maybe two that i have to say before we get into the real conversation
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I just want to preface this by saying we are going to say a lot of things about how the NFL conspired against Shadour.
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And I also do think that is true.
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But I hope that Shadour learns a lesson from this.
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Not that he deserved this because he did not.
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But all of the so many kind of reports and even things that he said publicly in the media.
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And this is something that we talked about in the middle of the year.
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you're not Dion.
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You don't need to act like your father.
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You should not act like your father.
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Also Dion acting like that got him in trouble a lot.
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He was just Dion.
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So he could sort of get away with it.
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Like there are very few people in the history of the sport that can act like he does, but while before playing, while playing and after.
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And so there's just a lot of conversation.
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Like I want to be honest about the fact that there is a lot of conversation.
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about him dogging interviews.
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There's conversation about Dion not doing interviews because they're like, oh, you have picked 10 and below.
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He's not going to be there.
00:22:05
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So why would he interview with you?
00:22:06
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Why would he go work out for you if you're not in the top 10?
00:22:10
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There are things that him and his dad did that did not set him up for success in the best and the most important job interview that he'll ever have.
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I do not want people to listen to this and say and think that we're saying that Shador did nothing wrong.
00:22:26
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But
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And now we'll get into it.
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The most important thing with this is there is nothing that he could have done that led to what actually happened.
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Because it's not like he killed nobody.
00:22:39
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It's not like he shot nobody.
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He wasn't doing drugs.
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He doesn't have a court case.
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He doesn't have all of these character, like his biggest character concern, and this is where I open up to you because I know you feel very strong about this.
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His biggest character concern is he acts like his dad and he doesn't have the talent to back it up.
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And that is not a locker room cancer.
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That is not a bad guy.
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He is not a bad kid.
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And so I do want to be honest in that he probably did not give his best effort and show himself correctly in these interviews, partially, largely because of how his dad was talking and the hype in his ear and also the media portrayed that as well.
00:23:15
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But none of that should have cost him anything.
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to be taken like, I will let you talk.
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Here's the thing.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Did he do everything perfectly?
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No, he's 22.
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Okay.
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He's not going to do anything perfectly.
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22, 21.
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I don't think he's 22 yet.
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He's not going to do anything perfectly.
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And realistically, he comes from, he is in a dynasty.
00:23:45
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He is, he lives in a dynasty.
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His father has
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created this name for himself in a way where he is one of the most prolific players that the NFL has and will ever see.
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And he will probably be on track to be a very, very successful college football coach as well.
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He's a part of a dynasty.
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Okay.
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All of their children, all of everybody in the Sanders family is all building their own platforms and becoming their own
00:24:11
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brands and whatever within themselves.
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That is what is happening.
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They're a dynastic family, very much like the Mannings.
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So to me, they behaved the way the dynastic families behave, in my opinion.
00:24:24
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That doesn't make it okay.
00:24:25
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But to me, Dion being the way that he's being about his own kid, he acted the way that I would expect any top NFL player with a good, possible, good
00:24:39
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athlete child would act, right?
00:24:41
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So, because the other thing too is Travis Hunter did not become a Heisman winner because nobody was passing him the ball.
00:24:49
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Like, that's the biggest thing that I'm like thrown on.
00:24:51
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Like, we're not going to act like Shadour is trash.
00:24:56
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He's just not like the most elite to come out of this draft class, but he's not booty cheeks.
00:25:01
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He needs to be developed just like a lot of these guys.
00:25:03
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The biggest issue that I have is when you are drafting rapists and abusers before this child,
00:25:10
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Don't piss me off.
00:25:12
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Do not start to act like the NFL has this big old morality clause where they just care about the guys being good guys.
00:25:18
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They don't give a shit.
00:25:19
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They don't give a shit, and I'm not about to play this game with them.
00:25:22
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When Baker Mayfield was acting what he was acting because he was just this cocky when he got drafted, nobody had anything to say about his attitude.
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Mm-hmm.
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So as much as we can make clearances for all of the other things that happened,
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And I'm not making excuses.
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I'm just saying, like, they're behaving the way that I would expect them to behave.
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I'm not saying it's right.
00:25:41
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I just would expect them to behave that way, to say, no, I don't want to talk to a top 10 team or whatever, because that's what you think he is, because also the media was protecting him as the top five pick.
00:25:49
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So it's not like they pulled that out of their ass, right?
00:25:52
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But to sit here and act like he was just so bad, we're not going to do that.
00:26:02
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We're not going to do that.
00:26:04
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Yeah, where it really spun out of control for me is the Browns drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third round.
00:26:12
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Be fucking for real.
00:26:14
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And people were talking about the Browns drafting him in the first round.
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And so it got to a certain... And listen, I'm going to be honest because I don't think he's that good of a player.
00:26:23
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I was even telling my Browns fans I wouldn't draft him with their second round picks, the Browns.
00:26:29
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Not saying he shouldn't go in the second round, but I'm like, with the pick 33 and 36...
00:26:34
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I wouldn't have drafted Shador.
00:26:35
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I think the Browns had other things that they needed to do.
00:26:39
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And I also feel like the Browns themselves personally set themselves up to draft a quarterback next year where the class is going to be better.
00:26:49
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And I understand we always do the next year's better, next year's better.
00:26:51
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But that is not always true.
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We definitely didn't do that this year.
00:26:54
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Right.
00:26:55
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And, and, and I, and we talked about this last year, not maybe me and you, but like, I talked about this last year that I knew that these quarterbacks last year were going to get taken because of how bad the 2026, 2025 class was.
00:27:05
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Right.
00:27:06
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Yeah.
00:27:06
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You've been saying that the 2025 class is stretched.
00:27:08
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You've been saying that.
00:27:12
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Like, was Michael Pennick Jr. a first round pick?
00:27:14
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Maybe not.
00:27:15
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You know why he was a first round pick?
00:27:16
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Because they needed a quarterback and they knew they couldn't get one this year.
00:27:19
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Was J.J.
00:27:19
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McCarthy a first round pick?
00:27:21
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Maybe not.
00:27:21
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But they needed a quarterback and they knew they couldn't get one this year.
00:27:25
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Was Bo Nix a first round pick?
00:27:26
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Maybe not.
00:27:27
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But they needed a quarterback and they knew they couldn't get one this year.
00:27:31
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He also bawled his ass off, though, which I will give him.
00:27:34
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This is true.
00:27:35
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But at the same time, there are at least, at least four quarterbacks in last year's draft who would have been the number one pick in this draft.
00:27:43
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Jaden would have been the number one pick in this draft.
00:27:45
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Drake May would have been the number one pick in this draft.
00:27:48
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Who went third?
00:27:49
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Who was the third quarterback?
00:27:52
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I couldn't tell you.
00:27:53
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I'm not trying to.
00:27:55
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Honestly, I don't know if he's better, but he's white.
00:27:57
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So J.J.
00:27:58
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may have been the first pick, but I've never liked J.J.
00:28:01
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Who else?
00:28:03
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J.J.
00:28:04
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Caleb Williams went first, then J.J.
00:28:06
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and then Drake May.
00:28:07
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How did I miss Caleb Williams?
00:28:08
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Obviously, Caleb Williams would have been first.
00:28:11
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Who went fourth?
00:28:13
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Fourth quarterback was Michael Penix Jr. Okay.
00:28:17
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So it goes Caleb Williams, J.J.
00:28:19
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Daniels, Drake May,
00:28:21
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from North Carolina, and then Michael Penix Jr., JJ McCarthy, Bo Nix,
00:28:27
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And then I think those are all.
00:28:30
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Okay.
00:28:32
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So there would have been the first three easily.
00:28:34
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There would have been a debate over Michael Penix and Cam Ward.
00:28:38
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And depending on the team, this one would have been more team specific.
00:28:42
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Michael Penix Jr. Could have been the first pick.
00:28:44
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I don't know about JJ and Bo Nix absolutely wouldn't have been.
00:28:47
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So like this, this draft for quarterbacks was going to be bad anyway.
00:28:50
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That's why all these teams loaded up and there were six first rounders and all this other kind of stuff was happening.
00:28:55
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But next year is going to be really good.
00:28:56
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So to wrap this back around, the Browns set themselves up to get quarterback next year.
00:29:00
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Next year is going to have potentially Arch Manning.
00:29:03
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It's potentially going to have Dylan Rayola.
00:29:06
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No, that's not true.
00:29:07
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He has two more years.
00:29:08
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26 and 27 is going to be good.
00:29:09
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It may potentially have the dude from who's at Pittsburgh, Eli Holstein, who's really good.
00:29:15
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He's going to be a two-year starter.
00:29:17
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Yeah.
00:29:19
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Well, I mean... What's the same?
00:29:21
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Carson Beck?
00:29:22
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I mean, he's not like the best ever, but he is.
00:29:24
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He's there.
00:29:25
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I don't know.
00:29:26
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He might need a couple more years at this point, but Nico Iamaleva may be in that draft.
00:29:31
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And if he's not in that draft, he'll be in 26.
00:29:36
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26 will have Jaden Rashada.
00:29:38
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Next year may have Lenora Sellers.
00:29:40
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There are names.
00:29:43
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Next year is going to have...
00:29:45
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Brett, LSU's quarterback.
00:29:48
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His last name is Nussmeyer.
00:29:49
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I do not remember his first name, but his dad is a quarterback coach in the NFL, like for the season.
00:29:54
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Whatever his first name is, Nussmeyer, the quarterback at LSU is going to be in next year's draft.
00:29:59
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I think SMU's quarterback, I think he only has one more year too.
00:30:03
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And he's pretty good, not first round, but he's pretty good too.
00:30:05
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Drew Aller is going to be in next year's draft.
00:30:08
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Like the names are there.
00:30:09
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So it's like, okay, I get the Browns not selecting him second, whatever.
00:30:14
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To draft Dylan Gabriel?
00:30:17
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And I want to be clear, they also drafted Dylan Gabriel over Quinn Ewers.
00:30:22
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Insane.
00:30:22
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Quinn Ewers dropped so much more than I thought he was going to.
00:30:26
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Sixth or seventh round, crazy.
00:30:28
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Sixth round was, when I saw he was picked, I was shocked because I thought he had already been picked.
00:30:32
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Yeah, it's like, eighth round.
00:30:34
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Sixth round, what are you talking about?
00:30:36
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Quinn Ewers.
00:30:39
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Quinn should have went.
00:30:40
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Quinn should have went.
00:30:40
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Quinn was fourth round easily.
00:30:42
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Easily a fourth round pick.
00:30:43
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Quinn should have went back to school for a sixth round pick.
00:30:45
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But to go back to what we're talking about, there was no way he should have dropped this much.
00:30:50
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And for the Browns to drop, Dylan Gabriel's not a good quarterback.
00:30:52
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I don't care what anybody says.
00:30:53
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Dylan Gabriel is not a good quarterback.
00:30:55
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He is not a good quarterback.
00:30:56
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He's not a good quarterback.
00:30:56
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He's not a good quarterback.
00:30:57
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And if you are going to take a quarterback in the third round, if you are going to
00:31:04
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And if you don't want Chidore, but like you can't convince me you genuinely thought Dylan Gabriel was better than Chidore.
00:31:09
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I'm sorry.
00:31:09
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That's where you lose me.
00:31:11
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Because at the point, it was like, okay, he's not really a first round pick.
00:31:15
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Like, that's fine.
00:31:16
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Okay.
00:31:16
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Maybe he's not the best second round pick.
00:31:18
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That's fine.
00:31:19
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Third round, surely.
00:31:20
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Okay.
00:31:20
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He's going to go in the third round.
00:31:22
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I wasn't even worried about it.
00:31:24
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I'm like, he's going to go in the third round.
00:31:27
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And it just kept going.
00:31:29
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And I'm texting my friends and I'm like, no, Chidore.
00:31:32
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No, Shadour?
00:31:32
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No, yeah, you did it.
00:31:34
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After day three, when he had not been, after he did not get picked on day three, I was like, oh, these are stunts and shows.
00:31:39
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Day two.
00:31:40
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I'm sorry.
00:31:41
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Day two, excuse me.
00:31:42
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Sorry, day two.
00:31:44
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The draft is too damn well.
00:31:46
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Stunts and shows.
00:31:47
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Because I was sitting on the couch yesterday afternoon when I finally got the notification that he had been picked.
00:31:53
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And I looked and I said, did I say fifth round?
00:31:55
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Ain't no damn way.
00:31:58
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Yeah.
00:31:58
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Ain't no way y'all let five rounds go by before you pick a 4,000 yard season quarterback.
00:32:09
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Don't make him mad.
00:32:10
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I don't, cause here's the thing after the second round, third round, anyways, these, all these players, they have a hell of a lot of development, but Jalen Monroe went before him.
00:32:21
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And honestly, I get that because the NFL is stupid.
00:32:25
Speaker
Yes.
00:32:26
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I get how they talk.
00:32:27
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I mean, like, listen, look, we may be getting a quarterback next year because we drafted Anthony Richardson number four.
00:32:33
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I understand what the NFL does with talent, right?
00:32:36
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When they see things and they think that they can fix them.
00:32:39
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I wouldn't have taken him over short.
00:32:41
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But again, that one, I can at least see the logic, even if I disagree, because I know what the NFL looks for.
00:32:48
Speaker
There is nothing you can tell me that Dylan Gabriel is better than Chidor unless you're going to say he has a firm handshake and you like his mental attitude.
00:33:01
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Shut up.
00:33:02
Speaker
Statistically, statistically.
00:33:06
Speaker
And honestly, he may even be up there statistically, but he plays in a more BS offense than Chidor does.
00:33:11
Speaker
All he does is throw screens.
00:33:13
Speaker
Like, how?
00:33:14
Speaker
I mean, Shador throws a lot of screens too.
00:33:15
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:33:16
Speaker
It's just like, but that's the, but fifth round is crazy.
00:33:19
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I'm sorry.
00:33:20
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That's not his fault.
00:33:21
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I'm sorry.
00:33:22
Speaker
That's nuts.
00:33:23
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And what, and, and what I saw too, that was starting to really, really just take me somewhere was the way that other score center ESPN, whatever we're talking about other draftees.
00:33:36
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And one that, one that really stood out to me was the score center Buffalo bills poster.
00:33:41
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that they did about their 30th pick, Max Hairston, where they basically showed off the fact that he congratulated every draftee that got drafted before him.
00:33:49
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And in the Instagram posts were like, he waited for three hours before his name was called and it costs nothing to have a positive attitude and da-da-da-da-da.
00:33:58
Speaker
And then there was like another post that was like talking about their draft pick, talking about he has no flashy jewelry, no this, no this, just a good attitude, da-da-da-da.
00:34:06
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Now you run around, why are we walking around patting these niggas' head calling them good Negroes?
00:34:09
Speaker
What is going on?
00:34:11
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personally this is a side note the only person i want to see on my team get drafted that's not wearing at least some jewelry is an offensive lineman i don't want my line to wear no jewelry you honestly come to the drafting pads why are you wearing a suit i don't want to see that i don't want to see that you're out of control i want i want i want to see my offensive lineman shotgun a beer on live tv when he gets drafted
00:34:38
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That's what I want.
00:34:38
Speaker
That's the only position I don't want to be cool.
00:34:40
Speaker
You don't need to be cool.
00:34:41
Speaker
You don't got to talk to nobody.
00:34:42
Speaker
You don't need no jury, no nothing.
00:34:43
Speaker
What are we talking about?
00:34:44
Speaker
Oh, you didn't have any jury.
00:34:45
Speaker
That is stupid.
00:34:47
Speaker
And I'm sorry, you're doing this weird ass shit where you're congratulating them for being good Negroes.
00:34:53
Speaker
And I don't like that because realistically to expect an athlete, especially a quarterback to not be cocky is also beyond stupid.
00:35:02
Speaker
Beyond stupid.
00:35:03
Speaker
The cockiest people on the football team most of the time are going to be your quarterbacks.
00:35:09
Speaker
They're going to be your corners.
00:35:10
Speaker
They're going to be like your secondary.
00:35:11
Speaker
They're all, they're all of them because cocky is going to be your wide receivers.
00:35:15
Speaker
Like those guys are known to be cocky.
00:35:19
Speaker
Andrew Luck literally said that like, cause like Andrew Luck loves football.
00:35:22
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Don't get me wrong.
00:35:23
Speaker
But like, he, he literally would like Andrew Luck was playing quarterback, if that makes sense.
00:35:27
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And like, he will tell you this himself.
00:35:29
Speaker
Like, like, like, and I don't want to like misquote him, but basically Andrew Luck had a quote basically saying where like, when he was in quarterback mode, he would go out to dinner with people and he would order for them.
00:35:44
Speaker
Like, like that's how locked in he was with like being a leader and like doing all these things that like he would like, he would go out with teammates and with people.
00:35:52
Speaker
He'd be like, they're going to eat this.
00:35:53
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They're going to eat that.
00:35:53
Speaker
They're going to eat this.
00:35:55
Speaker
Like, and he was like, I had to like get out of that mindset.
00:35:58
Speaker
And it like sort of like sat my love for football, especially with the injuries.
00:36:02
Speaker
But like, he felt like he needed to be in control all the time because that's what you have as a quarterback.
00:36:07
Speaker
Nobody said anything.
00:36:08
Speaker
You know what they did?
00:36:09
Speaker
They probably ate that fucking steak he ordered.
00:36:12
Speaker
But it's just like, it's just like, like, that's just like a weird anecdote that nobody knows that Andrew like admitted to it.
00:36:18
Speaker
Cause you're just talking about like the mind of an NFL quarterback and like how kind of like psycho you have to be to like really like get into it and that sort of stuff.
00:36:27
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And so it's just like,
00:36:30
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A cocky attitude is something that to me comes with being a quarterback.
00:36:37
Speaker
So what you're not about to do is you're not about to sit here and tell me that there's a problem with Deon.
00:36:41
Speaker
Deon.
00:36:42
Speaker
Which to do it?
00:36:42
Speaker
LOL.
00:36:43
Speaker
Which to do it?
00:36:44
Speaker
Attitude.
00:36:44
Speaker
I don't care.
00:36:45
Speaker
you're supposed to be cocky when you're a high level athlete that is what is supposed to happen well i don't know if he's a high level athlete but well he's a high level athlete and that he's being considered being drafted into a professional league everybody's not being considered true true so to me yes that's what i'm saying everybody is not everybody doesn't get that chance so that's my biggest issue is like we're not going to make this about his attitude because and this is what i said on tick tock if y'all want to follow me dee underscore n-a-y-y-y it's
00:37:12
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The fact that there was something that is so particularly triggering about a black person.
00:37:20
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but especially a black kid, having a high level of confidence and being self-assured, it triggers people.
00:37:28
Speaker
It upsets people because what they want is they want the guys who are gonna sit there and just be happy with that having a chance.
00:37:35
Speaker
They want the guys who are gonna sit there and just be happy with the crumbs that they give them.
00:37:39
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They want the guys who are so worried about, I gotta get my mama out the hood.
00:37:42
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I gotta, I need, oh yes, thank you so much for looking at me.
00:37:45
Speaker
Thank you so much, master.
00:37:46
Speaker
They don't know how to handle a kid who don't need them.
00:37:49
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just should or does not need you when he gets dropped he's drafted as a millionaire he does not need y'all he doesn't need y'all to validate his self or his value he knows who he is and they have not they have no idea what to do with a black kid who acts like that they have it it literally breaks the brain it literally like it they can't do it and i'm and you see that even with how people react and respond to angel reese you see that when how people react and respond to
00:38:16
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young black confident people they do not they're like whoa because they feel like these people these athletes should feel just lucky to be there and unfortunately you're not going to get that out of a kid whose dad is deon sanders like i don't like that part what i'm saying is you're not going to get the attitude of like oh i'm just lucky to be here from a person who's from a dynasty that's what i'm saying so like so my thing is and
00:38:47
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And the reason why I wanted to specifically talk about this and talk about Dion in this and Chidore in this, because they do hold some fault.
00:38:58
Speaker
And the example that I give is Marvin Harrison Jr. Marvin Harrison Jr. moved like his dad was a Hall of Famer.
00:39:06
Speaker
You still can't buy a Marvin Harrison Jr. jersey.
00:39:11
Speaker
And Fanatics is trying to blame him.
00:39:13
Speaker
And he's just like, I don't need to sign this contract because I don't like what Fanatics did to my contract in college.
00:39:20
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So I'm going to fight it.
00:39:21
Speaker
Marvin Harrison Jr. can do that because he's rich.
00:39:24
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And that is Marvin Harrison Sr. And so he doesn't need that.
00:39:27
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He is also not...
00:39:29
Speaker
this sort of happy to be here.
00:39:30
Speaker
I'm happy to sign my name on this line so you can sell my jerseys and I can get this small percentage and I can be in the Madden game, right?
00:39:36
Speaker
So like he is similar in that he has that.
00:39:39
Speaker
But then at the same time, Marvin Harrison Sr. never talked.
00:39:44
Speaker
And the only time he talked was like, I'd be trying to tell my son to be great, to get in the lab.
00:39:49
Speaker
When I talked to him, why did you drop that ball?
00:39:52
Speaker
Why did you run this route?
00:39:53
Speaker
Like, you know what I mean?
00:39:54
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And Marvin Harrison Jr. was like, I have a lot to live up with my dad and I'm just trying to chase him.
00:39:59
Speaker
I just want to be, I don't want to chase my dad.
00:40:01
Speaker
We play the same position.
00:40:02
Speaker
He's a hall of famer.
00:40:03
Speaker
He was my example.
00:40:05
Speaker
And I'm not saying one is right versus the other.
00:40:08
Speaker
What I am saying is there is a small, especially Dion as the adult, as the grownup who went on Stephen A's show, who went on first take, who went on the podcast, who did all of these things.
00:40:23
Speaker
He does need to own some of this.
00:40:27
Speaker
No, because that's why people act entitled to everything all the time.
00:40:31
Speaker
Why can't rich black people act entitled?
00:40:33
Speaker
Why can't we?
00:40:34
Speaker
Why people act entitled to everything when they have money?
00:40:38
Speaker
They feel like the world should just fall into their fucking lap because they have money and they have power and they have influence.
00:40:44
Speaker
Why can't black people act like that?
00:40:47
Speaker
I don't have to answer that.
00:40:48
Speaker
You know the answer to it.
00:40:50
Speaker
I'm just saying.
00:40:51
Speaker
But at the end of the day, I'm just not going to sit here and act like Dion did not set his son up for failure.
00:40:58
Speaker
Two things can be true.
00:40:59
Speaker
I don't agree with that.
00:41:00
Speaker
And that's my thing.
00:41:01
Speaker
I think two things can be true.
00:41:10
Speaker
And that the overwhelming majority of this is that he's black, is that it's Dion and all of these things.
00:41:18
Speaker
Right.
00:41:19
Speaker
Because at the end of the day, if a white kid did this and he had the same level of talent, he may have been a third round pick.
00:41:26
Speaker
He sure as hell wouldn't have been a fifth.
00:41:27
Speaker
Like, I'm not taking away any of that.
00:41:30
Speaker
But I also, especially as a black man, we don't get deep on this podcast.
00:41:34
Speaker
I think.
00:41:36
Speaker
There is still a point in time where black men play victim and don't accept what they did in these things.
00:41:47
Speaker
And it is true that these things happen, right?
00:41:49
Speaker
Like now you can't control the, you can't control how bad it spins out.
00:41:55
Speaker
You can't control all these.
00:41:57
Speaker
At the end of the day, we all can at least control our actions.
00:42:00
Speaker
And Dion acting like his son was the greatest thing on earth when he clearly knew that he shouldn't and going on these podcasts and going on these things.
00:42:07
Speaker
Because at the end of the day, we want to talk about a father who did that.
00:42:10
Speaker
You know who else did that?
00:42:11
Speaker
LeVar Ball.
00:42:12
Speaker
But his kids were good.
00:42:13
Speaker
You know what?
00:42:13
Speaker
They didn't black ball then because of how LeVar was acting.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah, because they had the talent.
00:42:18
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:42:19
Speaker
Shadour is trash.
00:42:21
Speaker
Shadour is not trash.
00:42:22
Speaker
But he's not that good.
00:42:24
Speaker
Lonzo Ball was the second round pick.
00:42:25
Speaker
Lonzo Ball was literally number two pick and was winning awards before he got injured.
00:42:30
Speaker
LaMelo Ball is one of the best players in the league and is winning.
00:42:32
Speaker
But we don't know who Shadour is going to turn into.
00:42:36
Speaker
We have no idea.
00:42:37
Speaker
He might be the best quarterback to come out of this draft.
00:42:39
Speaker
We have no idea.
00:42:40
Speaker
I'm saying we don't know.
00:42:42
Speaker
Just like we didn't know about Tom Brady.
00:42:43
Speaker
We didn't know about him.
00:42:44
Speaker
Yes, I understand that.
00:42:45
Speaker
But what I'm saying is, even if it's only 5% of it, because so much of the outside factors that affect this have to do with race and all the other kind of things.
00:42:56
Speaker
But at the same time, he did not go into the interview...
00:43:00
Speaker
Like he was trying to get a job.
00:43:02
Speaker
Like at the end of the day, you can say, oh, he doesn't need them.
00:43:03
Speaker
He doesn't do all this other kind of stuff.
00:43:05
Speaker
I can't go to a job and say, you have to hire me because of how good I did at my last job.
00:43:09
Speaker
Like you just can't, at the end of the day, it is still a job interview.
00:43:12
Speaker
And he did not interview for the job.
00:43:15
Speaker
But when nepotism is at play, all of this shit is stuff.
00:43:18
Speaker
But you can do nepotism in college.
00:43:22
Speaker
You can't do that in the draft.
00:43:25
Speaker
No, but I'm saying like, you...
00:43:29
Speaker
when you are a part of, again, like, you know, your dad is Deion Sanders and all this other stuff.
00:43:35
Speaker
But I don't think, I think Deion overplayed his hand.
00:43:38
Speaker
I think Deion had two, two month dip on his chip talking about, we're going to pick and choose where we go.
00:43:44
Speaker
We're not going to go to that team.
00:43:45
Speaker
He's not going to play in Cleveland.
00:43:47
Speaker
Like, like Deion did do that.
00:43:49
Speaker
Like he went out and said, I'm not saying he's wrong for doing it.
00:43:52
Speaker
I'm saying that we would not be picking this apart if this was not a black family.
00:43:58
Speaker
So to me, that's what I'm getting at is, to me, I feel like a victim is what Shannon Sharp is doing, talking about he's being targeted because he's a black man, when no, you're being targeted because you're weird and you shouldn't be messing with 19 people.
00:44:09
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I don't think Shador is acting like a victim.
00:44:11
Speaker
He hasn't said anything like that.
00:44:12
Speaker
Shador has like, but in all this other kind of stuff.
00:44:15
Speaker
But what I'm saying is like, I'm not going to sit here and act like, especially again, Dion, there's nothing that he did that did not contribute to
00:44:26
Speaker
to the stouring of his son's image.
00:44:29
Speaker
I don't think anybody's saying that though.
00:44:30
Speaker
I think the biggest thing is, at the end of the day, how even they're being received, how their behavior is being received and all of that is also being completely over, like,
00:44:41
Speaker
Over was the word I'm looking for, like being overreacted to because they're black and I feel like that is going to be the case, no matter how Deon Sanders behaves himself could be on standards have been a little less like open about like, we're going to pick and choose whatever it just did it.
00:44:53
Speaker
Yeah, sure.
00:44:54
Speaker
Okay.
00:44:54
Speaker
Like, he could have been less, but that's not who Deon Sanders is.
00:44:57
Speaker
That's not who we've ever known him to be.
00:44:58
Speaker
Deion Sanders has always been cocky.
00:45:00
Speaker
He's always felt like he's the best thing to this life's cheese.
00:45:02
Speaker
It is completely valid for him to think that about his own child.
00:45:06
Speaker
It is completely valid for him to be like, my child is the best thing to this life's cheese.
00:45:10
Speaker
Yes, but you can't say that that doesn't have consequences.
00:45:12
Speaker
No, I'm not saying it doesn't have consequences.
00:45:14
Speaker
Black calling the baby to the fifth round is not a fair consequence.
00:45:19
Speaker
I get that.
00:45:21
Speaker
We agree on that.
00:45:22
Speaker
But what I'm saying is I'm not going to act like there wasn't things that they could have done better.
00:45:29
Speaker
It's not.
00:45:29
Speaker
But the thing is, do you really believe that if they had done better, that the NFL still would not have overreacted and been dramatic and dropped him down?
00:45:38
Speaker
I don't think he would have been a fifth round pick.
00:45:40
Speaker
I still think.
00:45:41
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:45:41
Speaker
I still think so.
00:45:43
Speaker
I don't.
00:45:44
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:45:44
Speaker
I still think so, because I also do feel like the attitude about, because again, like you mentioned, Deion Sanders, he didn't get in trouble as probably as much as he should have because of his talent, but there's also still an attitude towards him.
00:45:57
Speaker
So I feel like either way, there was going to be some kind of sense that shows him bullshit just because it was Deion Sanders' kid.
00:46:03
Speaker
I don't agree with that.
00:46:06
Speaker
I do.
00:46:06
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:46:07
Speaker
I feel like it was a level of humbling the Sanders name in general.
00:46:11
Speaker
Right.
00:46:12
Speaker
But I think the difference is that I'm more attuned with the draft than you are.
00:46:18
Speaker
So even before this, I've heard the things about the interviews and all that sort of stuff.
00:46:24
Speaker
So I think a part of it is you're coming from it from the outside.
00:46:28
Speaker
But Shador screwed this draft process.
00:46:31
Speaker
Oh, I know.
00:46:32
Speaker
I know you think he has the best interviews.
00:46:33
Speaker
He screwed the draft process, guys.
00:46:35
Speaker
I know.
00:46:36
Speaker
Because at the end of the day, if you do all of these things, and he just didn't take it serious because he thought he was going to be picked no matter what.
00:46:43
Speaker
And it's just like those things on TikTok and all the other things where it's like, I'm wearing this thing to work, and then you get fired.
00:46:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:50
Speaker
People talking about, I wore this, I wore jeans to an interview and I didn't get hired.
00:46:53
Speaker
Why didn't I get hired?
00:46:54
Speaker
Right.
00:46:55
Speaker
And yeah.
00:46:55
Speaker
Right.
00:46:56
Speaker
Let's be honest.
00:46:57
Speaker
If a white person wore that outfit, do they get fired?
00:46:59
Speaker
Maybe not, but you still shouldn't wear the outfit.
00:47:01
Speaker
Like, that's what I'm saying.
00:47:02
Speaker
The consequence is not accurate.
00:47:05
Speaker
Right.
00:47:05
Speaker
Just like something that I study, right.
00:47:07
Speaker
Like the war on drugs and things like that.
00:47:10
Speaker
Sure.
00:47:10
Speaker
Maybe you could have gotten in trouble for having crack, but the consequence of being black and crack was not accurate to the crime.
00:47:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:47:20
Speaker
Going crime is crazy because they did not commit a crime.
00:47:22
Speaker
But that all I'm saying is.
00:47:23
Speaker
But there were people who did actually commit crimes and got drafted higher.
00:47:27
Speaker
And so the only point that I was saying is I hope that Shador takes the very, the one or two things that is true and that like, hey, I did not portray myself well.
00:47:43
Speaker
And change that.
00:47:44
Speaker
He's not the first guy to act like that.
00:47:48
Speaker
But he's also not the first person to fall either.
00:47:51
Speaker
We're also hyper aware of him falling because of his name.
00:47:55
Speaker
Like, he's not the only... I mean, think about it.
00:47:57
Speaker
Quinn Ewers was a seventh round pick.
00:47:59
Speaker
Quinn Ewers was the number one player in the country.
00:48:02
Speaker
And there's nothing... There's no character things with Quinn.
00:48:04
Speaker
Nobody's saying he didn't mess up his... Like, he's not the only person to fall, right?
00:48:08
Speaker
Like...
00:48:09
Speaker
we are hyper aware of him also partially because of his name.
00:48:13
Speaker
Because if Quinn Ewers was Arch Manning, it would also be a different conversation.
00:48:17
Speaker
So there is a level of unfairness in this, of course.
00:48:21
Speaker
But there's also a level of like sometimes this happens.
00:48:23
Speaker
Because there's no way in hell Quinn is a six-round pick.
00:48:26
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:48:27
Speaker
He took Texas, Texas, who hasn't been good since Vince Young, twice, semifinals, twice, and they could have won.
00:48:39
Speaker
They almost lost to Arizona State, and he brought them back, and yes, he was also the reason they almost lost, but he made the throw, and he made the check, and so like,
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:48
Speaker
There is a part of this that like, there is a part of this where it's also, there is not the outrage for Quinn because he's not Deion Sanders.
00:48:57
Speaker
So, so there, so there's a, there's, there's two pieces of this.
00:49:01
Speaker
where the Sanders name is hurting him and helping him.
00:49:04
Speaker
But my only thing is I, because it would be easier to say, oh, he was being punished because of his dad.
00:49:12
Speaker
If he also just took it serious and he didn't, he just didn't take it serious.
00:49:15
Speaker
And that's unfortunate.
00:49:17
Speaker
I'm saying, I just wish you would have taken it serious.
00:49:20
Speaker
I'm saying,
00:49:23
Speaker
And I also, and I've said that, like, we talked about this before, I put so much of this on Dion, because you have been in the NFL, right?
00:49:33
Speaker
Like, you are also a Black man.
00:49:35
Speaker
Like, you know what the media does to Black men.
00:49:37
Speaker
You know what happened to you.
00:49:39
Speaker
Like, it's just like a cognitive dissonance where he's just like, I'm primetime.
00:49:43
Speaker
I can do whatever.
00:49:44
Speaker
And then he put that on his kids, and they were never him.
00:49:47
Speaker
And that was unfair.
00:49:48
Speaker
Like, and even not just, it's just like,
00:49:52
Speaker
Think about it, right?
00:49:53
Speaker
People were trying to say... LeBron made one comment about Bronny being... When he was in high school or college, Bronny being better than some players in the NBA.
00:50:02
Speaker
And people won't let him forget it, right?
00:50:05
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People were saying he was a bad dad for saying that because you put a bullseye on him for people who are currently making millions of dollars, right?
00:50:13
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And then he didn't fully live up to this.
00:50:15
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And Bronny is also being hurt by his dad's name and different things like that.
00:50:19
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There are just things that...
00:50:21
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You should.
00:50:22
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
00:50:24
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Because all LeBron was saying was celebrating the talent of his own son.
00:50:27
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And that's all Deion is doing.
00:50:28
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Deion is just doing it in his way.
00:50:29
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He's doing it in his way.
00:50:31
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He feels like his son is the best thing for sliced cheese.
00:50:34
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And that is not a ridiculous mentality when he also thinks he is the best thing for sliced cheese.
00:50:39
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That's not ridiculous.
00:50:41
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I hear you.
00:50:44
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I think that...
00:50:46
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Like, to me, he's acting completely on brand.
00:50:49
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Deion Sanders is acting completely on brand for who we know he is to be.
00:50:52
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Yes, cool.
00:50:54
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So why did he stop?
00:50:54
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I understand what you're saying.
00:50:55
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Like, I don't want it to be, like, mistaken.
00:50:58
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I don't think he thought that his sons could face any consequences for his actions.
00:51:03
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I don't think so either.
00:51:04
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And that's where he messed up.
00:51:06
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I agree.
00:51:07
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I'm just saying, like, I also am not about to, I guess for me, like,
00:51:11
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Yeah, we can acknowledge the things that played into it, of course.
00:51:14
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And that's what you are always going to do.
00:51:16
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But for me, I'm just kind of like, but also like... The punishment didn't fit the crime.
00:51:22
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Yeah.
00:51:22
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Him acting this way, though, does not shock.
00:51:24
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I guess to me, I'm like, why would I ever expect Dion to be anything less than the cocky asshole that he has always been?
00:51:30
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Like, why would I not?
00:51:31
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Why would I expect anything less?
00:51:32
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I'm going to expect him to act like his kid is the best, whether his kid is not the best or not the best.
00:51:37
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Because also, like, what is he...
00:51:39
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Any dad is not really about to sit down and be like, like, I guess he could speak about Shadour in a way that was like more subjective, but like, why would he?
00:51:47
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That's his kid.
00:51:48
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Why would he?
00:51:48
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It's the thing they want the bar.
00:51:49
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Like why would he's going to act like his kids are the best to ever touch basketballs.
00:51:53
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Cause those are his kids.
00:51:55
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Like, yes.
00:51:55
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Dion feeling like Shadour is who he is.
00:51:58
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And Shiloh even art is who he is, is a by-product of him being a dad.
00:52:02
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Like he's allowed to be,
00:52:04
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feel that way.
00:52:05
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Did he have to do all that extra stuff?
00:52:07
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No.
00:52:08
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And that's what I'm talking about.
00:52:09
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Like going on first take and going on these places and saying that you're going to run the NFL and that you're going to do like
00:52:20
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He's been doing that, though.
00:52:21
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He's been saying ridiculous things.
00:52:24
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He's been like that.
00:52:26
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But just because he's been like it doesn't mean it's not always something that is a problem.
00:52:31
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Saying you've been like it doesn't excuse it, is all I'm saying.
00:52:35
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I'm not trying to excuse him.
00:52:36
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How else was he going to act?
00:52:38
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Let's be fair.
00:52:38
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How else was he going to act?
00:52:39
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My thing is, bro, at the same point, you might want to grow up.
00:52:43
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Just a little bit.
00:52:44
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Legitimately,
00:52:47
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He is hurting his kids by doing that is all I'm saying.
00:52:50
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Like literally, whether it was true or not, there were people because everyone is selfish and different things like that.
00:52:56
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Dion made a comment where he was basically like, I would only go to the NFL if I got to coach my son.
00:53:02
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Right.
00:53:03
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And that had people coaches like, oh, if I draft Shadour, Dion's going to try to replace me.
00:53:10
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So like, not only do I have to deal with Dion, but
00:53:12
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and I don't know Chedora's talent, I have to worry about Dion coming for my job.
00:53:17
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Yeah.
00:53:17
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Like, it's things like that.
00:53:18
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We now know it's not true, obviously, because he signed a five-year contract with Colorado.
00:53:22
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But we didn't know that when he was saying that six months ago.
00:53:25
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So my thing is just, again, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
00:53:28
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But in being honest about this, I also just wanted to say that Dion set his son up for failure.
00:53:36
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I think, but the thing about it is when you have, when you are someone's namesake, even Bronny,
00:53:42
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When you are someone's namesake, you, as when you're in the family, whether as the kid or as the parent, you kind of are damned if it's very damned if because even if Dion didn't say anything and didn't do anything, Shadour would still be judged for him being Dion Sanders' son.
00:54:00
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Sort of, but there are also examples of it not being that way.
00:54:03
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Who talks about Shaq's kids?
00:54:06
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Shaq's kids aren't actively... They all hoop.
00:54:09
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Shaq's kid was trying to go to the NFL.
00:54:12
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Shaq's kid was trying to go to the NBA.
00:54:14
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Are they old enough yet?
00:54:16
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Yes.
00:54:17
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Shaq had a kid who I think went undrafted and is playing overseas and stuff.
00:54:21
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Sharif O'Neal.
00:54:23
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He also had... It's also just like... I want to be clear.
00:54:29
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I am not talking about Ziya because people talk about her.
00:54:32
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Who talks about Deion's son?
00:54:34
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I mean, sorry, sorry, Dwayne Wade's son.
00:54:37
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I don't know anything about the kids.
00:54:39
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That's the point.
00:54:40
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That's the point.
00:54:42
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But Dwayne Wade's son was trying to get in the NBA.
00:54:44
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He's on the G League team.
00:54:47
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Like, that's what I'm saying.
00:54:48
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But, like, there are examples of other players who also are big and who are hall of famers and who have kids who did not make it as far as them.
00:54:59
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And they acted differently.
00:55:02
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Like, Dwayne Wade is in the media all the time.
00:55:04
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And Dwayne Wade wasn't sitting out there.
00:55:06
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And my son is the greatest.
00:55:07
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All this other kind of stuff.
00:55:08
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And so when his son... That's also not consistent with how Dwayne Wade would behave differently.
00:55:13
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But my thing is, you're saying, oh, if you're a son of this player, this sort of happened.
00:55:18
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But my thing is, there are other ways to do it.
00:55:20
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Like, there are other ways to do it.
00:55:21
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And there are other people who have done it other ways.
00:55:23
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But why would we expect Deion Sanders to do that?
00:55:26
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That's what I'm saying.
00:55:27
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Why would we expect him to do that?
00:55:30
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But whether we expect it or not, saying I expect him to act like this doesn't mean you should excuse him for acting like that.
00:55:36
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That's all I'm saying.
00:55:36
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I'm not excusing it.
00:55:37
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I'm just saying like... But saying like why we expect different is excusing it.
00:55:42
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It is.
00:55:42
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It's like he... I'm just saying like to expect... To expect to be humble all of a sudden.
00:55:50
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I'm not expecting it.
00:55:51
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I'm just talking about how what he did, he got away with it because of his talent.
00:55:57
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He tried to do the same thing with all of his kids and it did not work the same because they did not have the talent and he did not learn.
00:56:03
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Shador is his youngest son.
00:56:05
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He didn't learn with Shiloh, and he didn't learn with Deion Sanders Sr., who does not play football anymore and is great with media and cameras, but he didn't learn any lesson.
00:56:14
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And then because Chidore plays quarterback and all the other things, he just never learned a lesson.
00:56:18
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And at the end of the day, you can say he always acts like that, which is true, but you can also admit he probably should have learned that lesson.
00:56:24
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It would have been better for Chidore to learn the lesson.
00:56:27
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Either way, though, when you are...
00:56:29
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in these and this is just going to continue to happen because all these athletes have kids that are old enough to now be drafted right like you're gonna have even i was i was even watching um because you know scotty pippen jr is um on oh my god the grizzlies no jesus christ scotty pippen jr is is in the playoffs currently and they even make comparisons between him and his dad and it's like
00:56:56
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When you are this kid of somebody who is a high-level athlete, yes, they can act a certain way or whatever, but you're still going to be associated, judged, whatever, based on who your parent is.
00:57:06
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Yeah, but those are two separate things.
00:57:09
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How are those two separate things?
00:57:10
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Like, I'm saying, yes, I think Deion... I'm agreeing with you.
00:57:14
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Deion's behavior probably contributed to it.
00:57:16
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I'm not sitting here saying it's not.
00:57:18
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I'm just not going to sit here and also expect him to act any other way.
00:57:20
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Like, yes.
00:57:21
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I'm not expecting anything.
00:57:22
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I'm just saying he...
00:57:24
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he hurt his son by acting like Dion.
00:57:28
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But I also am not going to put it all on Dion either because Shador also could have showed up and acted like he'd been somewhere.
00:57:35
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But you disagree with me like six months ago when I said Shador needs to stop acting like he's Dion because he's not.
00:57:40
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No, no, no.
00:57:42
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I'm just saying like I'm expecting them to act like that because I've had exposure to the Sanders family and they're all like that.
00:57:49
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So for me...
00:57:52
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I'm just more so speaking from my perspective of knowing Deion Sanders Jr. personally and knowing that he thought he was the best thing for sliced cheese.
00:57:59
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His sister thinks that she's the best thing for sliced cheese because that is how Deion raised all of his children was to believe that they are the best things for sliced cheese.
00:58:06
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I love the confidence.
00:58:07
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I love the nepotism.
00:58:09
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I love all of that.
00:58:10
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I love that they'll be taken care of no matter what they do.
00:58:12
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Exactly.
00:58:13
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And they all have their own things going on and they're all confident, well-adjusted young Black people.
00:58:19
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And ultimately, that is the goal.
00:58:21
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And that's what I want.
00:58:22
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I have never and will never say that Deion is a bad father.
00:58:26
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That is not even where I'm going with this.
00:58:28
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It's just like, I think that if Deion cut his antics down, Shador probably would have been drafted in the third round.
00:58:37
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I don't think... And more specifically, if Shador took the job process seriously... That's what I'm saying.
00:58:46
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I think that is what hurt him the most.
00:58:48
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And where I think Dion messed up is, right, at the end of the day, right, like, if you're, as a father, if your kid does... Like, you... We've talked about this so long, but, like, there's, like, a thing, right, in higher education where it's talking about...
00:59:05
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first generation students, right?
00:59:07
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And it talks about how hard college is for first generation students, right?
00:59:12
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Like, and so one of the benefits to having a debt, right?
00:59:18
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Like the statistics show one of the biggest precursors to being a professional athlete is having one.
00:59:25
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It doesn't even have to be a dad.
00:59:26
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Do you know how many people, I mean, fucking Jeremiah Smith's cousin is Gino Smith.
00:59:30
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You know what I'm saying?
00:59:30
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Like, like it doesn't always have to be a father, right?
00:59:33
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But it's uncles, right?
00:59:34
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Like Joey and Nick Bosa, their dad and uncle played in the NFL and their mom was a track star, right?
00:59:40
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You can run down the list.
00:59:41
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The Cromartie, Sarah Strong, both of her parents were athletes.
00:59:43
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Sarah Strong, both of her parents were athletes.
00:59:45
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And her dad didn't last in the NBA as long as her mom, but they played overseas.
00:59:49
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The Cromartie cousins, right?
00:59:51
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And Isaiah Rogers, who plays for the Colts, I believe is related to the Cromartie cousins because one of them is something Rogers-Cromartie and the other one just Cromartie or whatever.
01:00:02
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And Isaiah Rogers is a part of that family.
01:00:04
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Like you run down the list, the biggest precursor is having a family member who made it first.
01:00:10
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And so at the end of the day, Deion did not prepare his son for a job in herbie.
01:00:17
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No.
01:00:18
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But Shador also has complete free will.
01:00:22
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Autonomy, yes.
01:00:23
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Yeah, so he could have also toned it down as well and did all those things, but to me, that does not warrant the reaction.
01:00:31
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No, no, that's never what I was saying.
01:00:33
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The punishment does not fit the crime.
01:00:35
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And that's the only thing I'm like, I don't really care about how they acted because the NFL still overreacted to it regardless.
01:00:44
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The NFL still overreacted to it.
01:00:46
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Right, but I mean, I think it's all true.
01:00:49
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I think they did not handle it properly, at least with Lisa Doerr, and then the NFL overreacted, and the NFL was able to overreact because it was a black kid.
01:00:58
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And I just feel like... All of that is true.
01:01:00
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Young men who are rapists, one of the individuals... That is insane.
01:01:05
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That is insane.
01:01:06
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One of the individuals, I do not care to know his name, but he had allegations at two separate universities and he got drafted beforehand.
01:01:12
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Like, the biggest thing that I took from this is we're not going to act like the NFL is the standard for morality, okay?
01:01:20
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No.
01:01:20
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These people are getting...
01:01:22
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signed contracts for rapists, abusers, people are beating up their women on camera and their own kids, Tyreek Hill, their own children, and they are still held and celebrated as these one of them.
01:01:33
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So we're not about to now turn around and point our fingers and be like, oh, but Shadour's attitude, that is so bad.
01:01:38
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Shut up, shut up.
01:01:40
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But the NFL is fake, right?
01:01:43
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And so if you show the right attitude, if you have the right level of talent and you have the right attitude in the building, they don't care what you do outside the building.
01:01:54
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And that is sad.
01:01:55
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And that is sick.
01:01:56
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And that is wrong.
01:01:58
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The NFL is never clearly going to be held accountable for that.
01:02:02
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Right.
01:02:04
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I hope the UFL really just blows up and gives them some real competition.
01:02:08
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I really do.
01:02:09
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It won't, unfortunately.
01:02:11
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The UFL has so many NFL people, it's not going to be better.
01:02:15
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Ultimately, the truth of the matter is I genuinely feel bad for Shador because he did not... People bomb job interviews all the time.
01:02:27
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he did not deserve what he did and then and then on top to add insult to injury all of the coverage right all of the coverage and then also other people's moments who were ruined by this right because you know like black people all the time they want to record the video they want to have these things there and this is maybe minor people may not care about that they're going to be people
01:02:51
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who can't even show the clip of when they get drafted because it's going to say, drafted, DJ Jones, and this person was immediately, this person was drafted over Shadour.
01:03:00
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And it was immediately about Shadour.
01:03:01
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That was unfair to Shadour.
01:03:03
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It was unfair to some of the other people.
01:03:05
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The media also will never be held accountable for their actions.
01:03:09
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They kept getting notifications about him not getting drafted and all of this.
01:03:11
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It's just a sad story.
01:03:13
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Overall, it's unfortunate, and I wish him all the success in the world.
01:03:18
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I hope that he does good enough.
01:03:21
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where he gets to leave the Browns and then be a good quarterback somewhere else.
01:03:25
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But like, ultimately, like I wish him all the best.
01:03:28
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I hope that, you know, he, he goes in and he perfects his craft.
01:03:33
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Cause he is, he is talented.
01:03:35
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I never thought he was a first round pick, but I didn't think he was a scrub.
01:03:38
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He is talented.
01:03:39
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He does have some things.
01:03:40
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He's tough as hell.
01:03:42
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And, and, and I, I hope that honestly, I'm not concerned.
01:03:46
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I think he beats out good Dylan Gabriel.
01:03:48
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I hope he starts for the Browns this year.
01:03:50
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I hope he starts.
01:03:51
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I hope he proves everybody wrong.
01:03:53
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I hope.
01:03:54
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I will say one more thing.
01:03:56
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I really, really hope that there's some type of, I don't know what, but some type of punishment for those people who prank called him.
01:04:02
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That is absolutely disgusting.
01:04:04
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Yeah, I did.
01:04:05
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And that is not fucking funny.
01:04:07
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Yeah.
01:04:07
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I didn't even listen to the video.
01:04:09
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Oh, I didn't listen to the video either.
01:04:11
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But from what I understand, Shadur bought another phone specifically for this moment, which means that there's no way that his number would have just been out there like that.
01:04:20
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So that means that somebody from the inside also helped with this prank.
01:04:25
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A lot of people are drawing connections, and I'm not in the mood to draw right now, but a lot of people are drawing connections as to who could potentially have leaked his number and all of that.
01:04:31
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But that is not fucking funny.
01:04:33
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Nope.
01:04:35
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I don't give a damn.
01:04:36
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I don't care.
01:04:37
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You don't play with people like that.
01:04:39
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I'm all for a good prank.
01:04:42
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I think, you know, whatever.
01:04:43
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I think that type of stuff is whatever.
01:04:44
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I think we can all have a sense of humor, but to play with him like that was absolutely rude and disgusting.
01:04:49
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And I really hope that, I don't know what type of punishment they can get because it's not criminal to prank people, but like, that's really fucked up.
01:04:56
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And you're a fucked up person for thinking that that's funny.
01:04:59
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Like,
01:05:00
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The NFL is looking into it.
01:05:02
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They are looking into it, yeah.
01:05:03
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I don't know.
01:05:06
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I don't know either.
01:05:08
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So at least what the NFL can do is the NFL can ban.
01:05:12
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They can ban them, yeah.
01:05:13
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From all NFL stadiums, which at bare minimum I hope happens.
01:05:16
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I hope they do that.
01:05:18
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That's ridiculous.
01:05:19
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Like, what made you think that was funny?
01:05:21
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This is already like this big issue that's going on because, and a lot of people have been saying too that they feel like
01:05:28
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And I don't know.
01:05:29
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I don't agree.
01:05:30
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I can see why people might draw this conclusion, but I thought it was funny.
01:05:32
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I wanted to ask your opinion about it.
01:05:33
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People have been saying they feel like they also dropped Shadour down in order to increase the ratings, in order to get people to watch the draft longer.
01:05:43
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And so people were saying they really would be curious to see the draft ratings prior to Shadour getting picked and then after.
01:05:51
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I don't know if it was that conspiracy like that, but that is kind of funny.
01:05:54
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I just wanted to hear your opinion on that.
01:05:57
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Yeah, I don't really have an opinion on that.
01:06:00
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When it comes to stuff like that, I don't believe that the media and these leagues are in cahoots that much, right?
01:06:09
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Because that takes an agreement of 32 teams.
01:06:12
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But it's funny.
01:06:15
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And I will at least say for sure the media company and everything, they are not mad about it at all.
01:06:23
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They're all personal.
01:06:24
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And that's why they've been reporting on it.
01:06:27
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right that is why they kept reporting on it because they didn't because to me i'm like if we were going to talk about everybody's drops we 100 should have been talking about two and yours dropping just as much because that was also a big story like also we were in our power suite by this at this moment this is the show this is our slight recap um
01:06:46
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Yeah, so it's, yeah.
01:06:50
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And this is my final reminder that the NFL is full of idiots.
01:06:55
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And I do not say
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01:06:56
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this often.
01:06:56
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I almost never say this because I think it is disrespectful.
01:06:59
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But I know for an absolute fact, I would be better at drafting and a better GM than half of the NFL.
01:07:05
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And it is solely because I watch college football.
01:07:09
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Nepotism.
01:07:10
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Talk about it.
01:07:13
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The NFL is the worst good old boys league I've ever seen in my life.
01:07:17
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It's the worst.
01:07:18
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It is the worst.
01:07:21
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Baseball.
01:07:22
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No, ma'am.
01:07:23
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No, ma'am.
01:07:24
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I forgot about baseball.
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I am a liar.
01:07:25
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I forgot about baseball.
01:07:26
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You get with that.
01:07:27
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I forgot about baseball.
01:07:29
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I'm one of those people, like when people are like, oh, the top four leagues in America, I'm like, which one's the fourth?
01:07:33
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And I'm like, hockey, basketball, football, like soccer?
01:07:40
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Women's college basketball is the third one?
01:07:43
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I'm like, the four leagues, like what?
01:07:48
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yes there is baseball i forgot that is true uh what is this nws um that's it i'm like you count the nhl you'd be like football basketball you'd be like football basketball hockey and they'd be like ah that is so funny because i know for a fact you don't watch hockey
01:08:10
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I don't want, but here's the thing.
01:08:12
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I do not watch hockey.
01:08:13
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I don't, but I went to a hockey game for the first time this year and it was enjoyable.
01:08:17
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So if the hockey is on, I will watch it, but I'm just not like hockey is like soccer to me.
01:08:22
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And soccer is kind of hard for me to watch.
01:08:24
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Like,
01:08:24
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I can't really watch it on TV.
01:08:26
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I enjoy it more in person.
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So that's why I'm just like, I would go to hockey games for sure.
01:08:30
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I think I can enjoy almost anything in person.
01:08:36
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Oh, that's true.
01:08:37
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Baseball in person is a vibe.
01:08:39
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Baseball in person is very fun.
01:08:41
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I've gone to some Frisco Rough Rider games, which is our... Come to New York so you can go to a Yankees game.
01:08:46
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Yeah, I would be down.
01:08:48
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I went to a Texas Rangers game.
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I didn't love it though because...
01:08:50
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The new Rangers facility is so huge that it's hard to like enjoy, if that makes sense.
01:08:56
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But I'm not getting into that today.
01:08:57
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But the point is, I've been forgetting about baseball, but there, so baseball is the worst, but the NFL is not too far behind when it comes to that.
01:09:05
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Oh, for
Black Capitalism and Social Commentary
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sure.
01:09:06
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Oh, for sure.
01:09:08
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Yeah.
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So boy, yeah.
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Any other... No, no, no.
01:09:18
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That's the show.
01:09:19
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Any other... Oh, we're not going to do the two-minute warning?
01:09:23
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No.
01:09:23
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Oh, yeah.
01:09:24
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You said the two-minute warning.
01:09:25
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Sorry.
01:09:25
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I'm getting my twos mixed up.
01:09:27
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Please, learn the segments of our show, please.
01:09:29
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Any final draft thoughts?
01:09:31
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Somebody tweeted, and I think there's a little movement going on on TikTok where everybody is deciding to buy Shudor's merch from his personal website instead of the NFL.com so that way they can
01:09:42
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directly support him and recoup the money that he obviously lost by being a fifth round pick.
01:09:47
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And I just think this is so hilarious that now people are really about to galvanize behind this young man in this situation and like propel his like fandom, which I think is kind of funny.
01:09:58
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I would just say the answer is never black capitalism, but I mean, hey, I'm rooting for everybody black.
01:10:08
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The money could go somewhere else.
01:10:09
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So, but the answer is never black capitalism.
01:10:12
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I can never, ever, ever in my life, ever in my life, in my years, ever root for the Cleveland Browns.
01:10:20
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I just cannot.
01:10:23
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So that's the only problem is that, like, I'm rooting for you, Shador.
01:10:27
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I'm always rooting for you, honey.
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But I cannot root for the Cleveland Browns.
01:10:30
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Not when they signed somebody like Deshaun Watson.
01:10:35
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That's just never going to be...
01:10:37
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vibes but hey congratulations to everybody who got drafted Shiloh also got his immediately after the draft got signed as an undrafted free agent to the Bucks so you know shout out to the Sanders family I really do hope that Shadur just kind of takes shit all over everybody and it's just like yeah y'all dumb as hell for doing these antics yeah um side note I think it's hilarious I was scrolling on Twitter as I sometimes do in case there's something important to talk about um
01:11:07
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There's, I haven't, I obviously haven't listened to it, but there's like an interview where someone's talking about to Bill Belichick and they ask him where him and his like 13 year old girlfriend met.
01:11:18
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And she stepped in and wouldn't, and she stepped in and wouldn't answer the question.
01:11:24
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basically based on the feedback won't let him answer the question and I would just like to say I don't appreciate that we are like and I understand letting is the wrong word because what are we going to do to stop it but I just don't appreciate that we are letting Bill Belichick 70 fucking whatever parade around with a 23 year old on his arm while also then being a coach of college football where his players are the same age or older than his girlfriend
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I'm sorry.
01:11:54
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I just... Bring back shame.
01:11:56
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Thank you.
01:11:57
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Bring back shame.
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We're just acting like that's normal.
01:12:01
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It's just fine that this 71... It happens fine, but also it's just like nobody's... You're going to hire him to be your head coach and let him have this 23-year-old girl like...
01:12:20
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I just think it's weird.
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And I think it's crazy that we are not like everyone just fine with it.
01:12:28
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It's just like, there's
Cultural Reflections in Film
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just nothing.
01:12:29
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It's just like Bill Belichick has a 23 year old girlfriend who would be too young for his son to date.
01:12:36
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She's too young for his kids.
01:12:38
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His kids are 40.
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She's too young in general.
01:12:41
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She's basically 12.
01:12:42
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Like she's too young in general.
01:12:44
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In general.
01:12:44
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In general.
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I agree with you.
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I think about it is I have given up on society when it comes to judging men who date young women.
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I have given up on it.
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Leonardo DiCaprio has been known to date nobody under the age of 25 for like a decade.
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And nobody has anything to say about it.
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Harvey Weinstein was able to get away with what he got away with because nobody has anything to say about R. Kelly.
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The list goes on and on.
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Like, I have given up on society and actually being able to get to a point where we shame people, really, for dating that young.
01:13:14
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Well, but also women get at least a little bit more shame.
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Like, Drea is, of course, getting dragged every day for being with Jalen Green when he's the same age as her son.
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But when it comes to the men's side,
01:13:25
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child there's nothing because we live in a misogynistic society that puts value on a woman's youth and beauty let me not we don't get too woke i'm stop i'm gonna put it right there i'm gonna put a pin in the right to wrap up the show two minute warning you're you went and decided to battle your fomo um so i just have to say
01:13:49
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You better not give me no spoilers.
01:13:50
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You have to go see this movie.
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I can't wait.
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On Tuesday.
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I'm trying.
01:13:54
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You honestly should go today.
01:13:56
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I don't care.
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Don't clean your house.
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No one cares.
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Go see this movie.
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No, no, no.
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I'm waiting to go.
01:14:01
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Me and my best friend have a pact.
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We are going to see it together.
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She got her wisdom teeth out and she did not go to movies without being able to eat popcorn.
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And I'm, damn it, my best friend will get her popcorn.
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You're a better person than me.
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I know.
01:14:14
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I shouldn't have made that promise.
01:14:16
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It is so good.
01:14:18
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It is so good.
01:14:20
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Everyone talks about how good it is, and it honestly does not.
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Do it justice.
01:14:25
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It doesn't.
01:14:28
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It is literally like, the best way that I can describe it is watching that movie, and the theater specifically, it felt like the ancestors were in the room.
01:14:40
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I love ancestral moments.
01:14:44
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That is a very unique experience.
01:14:46
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But I know exactly what you mean by that.
01:14:50
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I've had that feeling.
01:14:52
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The movie is so good.
01:14:54
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It's honestly perfect.
01:14:56
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And it's just, without revealing things, just the ability to
01:15:01
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make a movie right where it's in a quote-unquote contemporary genre with horror right yeah but for the right population the vampires are only part of the horror right like like yeah it's it's just like like it's just like note right it's just yeah the horror is it's just like it's just like get out specifically get up yeah yeah the concept yeah like it's horror but like for a specific population it's just so much deeper than that
01:15:29
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But then also the time and effort that he put into to show the history and these concepts and some of the things that he touches on, like obviously like slavery and sharecropping and religion and ancestral.
01:15:48
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The Delta Blues and all of that.
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And the...
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like the relationship with like Christianity and Black people and the relationship between East Asians and Black people in Black neighborhoods and like the, it's just... It's one of those things where it's like you feel seen when you see those types of, that type of cinematography.
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And this is why I'm so happy that we have people like Issa Rae and Ryan Coopler and Jordan Peele and even Tyler Perry, if I'm being honest.
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making content that is so particularly Black.
01:16:23
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As a person, you could be a Black person and enjoy this content, but you feel it in a different place as a Black person.
01:16:31
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And even, like, because there's Native Americans in there, right?
01:16:35
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And they're in the East Asian family.
01:16:37
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Even I've seen them talk about, like, the movie just makes you think and it makes you reflect.
01:16:42
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And there's so many things in it that you sort of, like, think about.
01:16:44
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And not in, like, a... But it's not in a gimmicky way either.
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Yeah, it's very authentic.
Evolution of Black Media
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Yeah.
01:16:51
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how they say with like conscious rappers when they're trying to put all these bars like it's very much like it makes you think because it's just true yeah it's true like how it's woven in there it's all from a it's historical fiction it's all from a historical the movie is excellent it is very good at like i i can't wait to go see it again there i've been thinking about it since i watched it i've been watching video there's so much sort of detail and and it's just like
01:17:21
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The way people are reflecting on it, right?
01:17:27
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There's a character in there that if you understand Black people, you understand colorism, you understand proximity to whiteness, all of these sort of things, right?
01:17:37
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There's a character in the movie
01:17:39
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that and i didn't that had people questioning like oh why was i surprised that she was a love interest and not i've been hearing about that yeah yeah and not like yeah there's just so many like little things in it that's just and also it's just good it's funny like i don't think michael b jordan's the best actor in the world and this is one of his better acting jobs the singing is great like
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Like everybody, everyone who sings can sing.
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Like there's like perfectly timed comedic moments.
01:18:11
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Like,
01:18:13
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It's a good movie, okay?
01:18:14
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I get it.
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I'm going to see it.
01:18:15
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I'm trying.
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And I will just say, the last thing I'll say about the movie is that I literally said this to Zaria.
01:18:20
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I was like, I'm so glad that our kids and future generations, when we talk about classics and we talk about Black classics, they're going to have Ryan Coogler and they're going to have Jordan Peele and they're going to have Issa Rae.
01:18:34
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And don't get me wrong, I love Friday, right?
01:18:37
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But if we're being honest, so many of our Black sitcoms
01:18:42
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But not only just that, so many of our Black sitcoms don't live up to the time.
01:18:48
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Do you know... Have you recently tried to watch the Jamie Foxx show?
01:18:53
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I have.
01:18:55
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That show is so fucking creepy.
01:18:59
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But it's not even just him.
01:19:01
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It's the light skin dude too.
01:19:02
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The object, just like misogyny and sexual harassment and all these things.
01:19:11
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I love Martin, right?
01:19:12
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But you watch Martin and the colorism.
01:19:14
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Between him and Gina.
01:19:16
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Yeah.
01:19:17
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Between Gina and Pam.
01:19:18
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Yeah.
01:19:19
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There are so many things in these things and like, right, right, you watch it and you understand that movies and TV shows and art are time capsules and so much of it is the time, right?
01:19:28
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Like you watch NWA and they're openly talking about beating women because that's what they were doing in the 90s, right?
01:19:35
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Like you watch these things and you listen to music, like it's time capsules, right?
01:19:40
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But at the same time, there are things that are genuinely hard to watch, right?
01:19:44
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I mentioned it.
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I was talking to you about Eddie Murphy's comedy special.
01:19:47
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Eddie Murphy's comedy specials are hilarious.
01:19:49
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But it's full of race.
01:19:51
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Well, not race.
01:19:52
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But it's full of, like, sexist, homophobe.
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He has a whole...
01:19:57
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like segment against about gay people.
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And then in the next one, he references that segment and basically says like gay people are standing on top of cars, making siren noises, looking for him.
01:20:08
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Cause they got mad at his jokes.
01:20:10
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Like,
01:20:12
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And so it is just very nice that we're going to have comedy and drama.
01:20:18
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You're going to have Israe.
01:20:19
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You're going to have, I haven't watched it yet, but you're going to have Lovecraft Country.
01:20:22
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You have Sinners and Nope.
01:20:25
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You have horror.
01:20:26
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You have these things that will also stand the test of time as much as, of course, my kids are going to watch it.
01:20:34
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And they're going to try and set it off.
01:20:36
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And like they have, like all of these things are important too, but it is just nice that we're, that they're going to have,
01:20:42
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a certain depth of things that truthfully, like you said, all of our stuff is comedy.
01:20:48
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It's all comedies.
01:20:49
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Now you have dramas and you have... It's just very exciting.
01:20:54
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I'm very happy about that.
01:20:55
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I will say to the sitcom point though, I can't get too mad because at the time that was completely...
01:21:00
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Yeah, they're all time capsules.
01:21:04
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Some of them become like, and there are others like I would still watch Martin, but the Jamie Foxx show is a little much for me.
01:21:10
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It's crazy.
01:21:12
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I'm watching the Steve Harvey show currently.
01:21:15
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And there's some moments in there that's pretty cringy too between him and the Wendy Raquel film.
01:21:19
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Robinson character, the principal, it was like, she liked him back, so it's fine, but he was still doing too much.
01:21:26
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And I don't want to get stuck on this, but my thing was, there are cringy moments, but for me, with the Jamie Foxx show, it felt like that was the whole plot.
01:21:36
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yeah and that that's what made it too hard to watch like like even with martin right like like like martin and and pam is not the plot of the show so that can be tough at times and there can be like little jokes and things they're like oh that didn't aids but like with the jamie foxx it felt like the whole thing was just sexual about him trying to get fancy and all the different crazy things he was doing yeah and it was just like yeah it
01:22:00
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It was something.
01:22:01
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It was something.
01:22:02
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It
Closing Thoughts and Gratitude
01:22:03
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was something.
01:22:03
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But also, like, glamorizing men, harassing women.
01:22:06
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Wow, what a shock in this misogynistic society that we live in.
01:22:10
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My two-minute warning is actually going to be two minutes because you're long-winded.
01:22:13
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I am so excited.
01:22:14
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I got this book, and it's called You've Been Chosen.
01:22:17
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It is by Cynthia, but she goes by Stint Marshall.
01:22:20
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She was the first Black female CEO of an NBA team.
01:22:24
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She was the Mavericks CEO.
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And she basically showed...
01:22:30
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what it looks like to act to appropriately implement DEI in the front office of a major sports team.
01:22:39
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When she started at the Mavericks, the majority of the staff was white and male.
01:22:43
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By the time she left, it was 50% female and 50% people of color.
01:22:47
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And she laid out the groundwork for how you can really diversify a front office to the point where many, many other teams in the NBA and other professional teams in general are following the model that she created at the Mavericks.
01:22:59
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She was no longer at the Mavericks.
01:23:00
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Her last season was this past season, but she is still a consultant with them.
01:23:04
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But I got to meet her.
01:23:05
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I got to talk to her, shake her hand, take pictures with her.
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And she did sign my book and write my name in it.
01:23:12
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And I just am very, very proud of this.
01:23:16
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piece of literature and she is she's a black woman who's unapologetically herself she the book is really about taking you who you are and your magic and who you know you are to be and never letting anybody dim that and as a black girl with a big personality who I know sometimes I can be off-putting or people may not necessarily receive me very well or people want me to shrink myself
01:23:40
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I've never felt more seen and to know that this woman was the CEO of the Mavericks.
01:23:45
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Like, I just feel like the sky's the limit for me and I'm just so happy that I have this.
01:23:48
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So, kind of such a... We love to see it, truly.
01:23:53
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As always, thank you for listening.
01:23:55
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01:23:57
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01:23:59
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01:24:03
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And...
01:24:06
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The NFL must pay for their crimes.
01:24:10
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They won't, but they must pay for their crimes.
01:24:13
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We will catch you next week.