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#375 Saunders needs a new spindle
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- Saunders needs a new spindle
- Grimsmo Blum probing issues
- Gen 3 mod vises in productions
- Macro programming!!!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Premise
00:00:01
johngrimsmo
Good morning and welcome to the business of machining, episode 375. My name is John Grimsmo.
00:00:07
John S
My name is John Saunders.
00:00:08
johngrimsmo
And this is the weekly podcast where we talk about all the things going on in our growing manufacturing businesses, all the ups and downs and goods and bads and the things we want to share publicly.
Balancing Honesty and Privacy
00:00:19
John S
I think we've, I'm comfortable that we passed the test of like being candid and wholesome.
00:00:23
johngrimsmo
ah Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, i think I think we have to hold some cards close to our chest for a lot of different reasons. But I think it's ah it's a private conversation that happens to get listened to by so a couple of people.
00:00:33
John S
Yeah. Yeah. I never hang up with you. Now that it's in a podcast format, I never hang up and think, man, if this weren't a podcast, I would have said, but I really needed your help on, or, are you know what I mean? Like, um, cause some of his auctions are like, well, the awkward issues today.
00:00:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah, totally, totally.
Troubleshooting Machine Issues
00:00:49
John S
I have a, I was, absolutely this is really funny. I was like, I don't even, we have a machine down. We have a spindle down. Um, I actually already mentioned on Instagram, but we don't know what happened yet. We didn't crash it. So that's what's interesting is it's like, wait, o um, yeah.
00:01:02
johngrimsmo
I think you shared on WhatsApp, but what's like, like what happened on the day? Like, like, how do you know the spindle's bad?
00:01:10
John S
uh smoke ah yeah just hit cycle start and um i was not here i was i got back to the shop about um under five minutes after it happened um and you could still smell the smoke and then um it was it's on a genos and
00:01:21
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:01:25
johngrimsmo
Ooh.
00:01:31
John S
took for it's kind of funny part of the initial reaction was incorrect by me, which is that the spindle seemed 100% completely seized. um Side note, fun fact, or like quirky thing. I've been running the Haas VF2 a lot in the last week or two. um In those machines, you um do a lot of work in and out of the spindle, because that's how you unload tools, load tools, blah, blah, blah. I'd never run the Janus. I don't think I've ever hit cycle start-up in my life.
00:02:02
John S
I do run the horizontal a lot. But the horizontal, the Okuma, you don't do stuff out of the spindle. like You don't load tools in the spindle, you don't unload them in the spindle, by and large. So basically, a long-winded way of saying, on a Haas, when there's no tool in the spindle, the spindle will still rotate freely. which is just, it's always fine.
00:02:02
johngrimsmo
hey
00:02:21
John S
Like you've done this, you you twirl the spindle and it just spins forever. Okumas don't. So my initial observation of thinking, oh boy, this thing is completely seized up. It was wrong. So we actually put a tool back in it. We've taken the tool out that was in when the smoke happened. I put the tool back in and the spindle would rotate, but not correctly. Like it was clearly friction. I did that maybe 180 degrees and then said, said stop, like we're,
00:02:21
johngrimsmo
Yep, yep.
00:02:45
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:02:48
johngrimsmo
Yeah. It feels crunchy.
00:02:49
John S
There's a service issue period. Yeah.
00:02:52
johngrimsmo
Yeah. And I mean, smoke could lead to a lot of things like an electric motor. If it overheats and burns the wiring, the the sheath on the wire could cause smoke or I don't know, bearings overheating could cost more. I don't know, but like so many different reasons.
00:03:07
John S
Yes, I don't know either.
00:03:09
johngrimsmo
Um, and I don't know. Hopefully it's easy, but sounds like a new spindle is going in that machine.
00:03:16
John S
Yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll keep for sure. Keep everybody posted. I don't think it's something small. I don't, like I was kind of hoping that like, um, but I'm going to use incorrect terminology, but like spindles have a disc brake or like, whatever. If a disc brake electronic thing failed and the brake slammed shut and it created smoke as it was trying to rotate, that could be plausible.
00:03:37
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:03:37
John S
And that could be cheap and easy and your bearings fine. Your spindle's fine. Your taper's fine. Uh, I don't think that's what it is.
00:03:44
johngrimsmo
It let the magic smoke out. that's that's not
00:03:47
John S
Yeah, but it never made a noise. Like our friends that have had spindles go bad have usually heard or seen spikes or um other things.
00:03:54
johngrimsmo
yeah if If I'm understanding right, upon cycle start, like the spindle is turning on and it it didn't.
00:03:58
John S
This went from seemingly totally fine to just, boom, gone.
00:04:08
johngrimsmo
like Smoke came out.
00:04:09
John S
It ramped up. No, thank you for asking that again. I wouldn't hear, but just what Caleb said, hit the cycle. Sorry. It ramped up. And as it was ramping up, that's when that happened. We immediately got some, uh, I think there were probably more than one alarm, but one of them was a, I want to say transducer temperature.
00:04:21
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:04:24
John S
And if you Google it, it's kind of like, okay, this is. Yeah. Some sort of a.
00:04:29
johngrimsmo
I mean, maybe there's some electronic components, some big moss fed or something that just exploded and let the magic smoke out um because it's not like this middle overheated in four seconds of ramp up.
00:04:41
John S
You know, and when not even when I felt it, nothing felt, I mean, of course it's warm. It did not feel hot, but that wouldn't explain why it doesn't rotate well this second.
00:04:47
johngrimsmo
Hmm.
00:04:50
John S
And again, I didn't like, if there's some debris, even if that MOSFET fell on it, it is crazy. This is now ridiculous, but there's a small chance that something just like, again, you release the brake and it's fine. I don't think so though.
00:05:01
johngrimsmo
Yeah. And it it might not be a bearing issue. It might be the actual windings in the motor that and something, and now the windings won't rotate.
00:05:09
John S
i
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John S
Yeah, I think these are integral motor spindles though. So it doesn't really make a difference.
00:05:19
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I don't know enough.
00:05:20
John S
I don't think they would replace one. There's no option.
00:05:22
johngrimsmo
I agree. I agree. But it's it's like a cartridge. you know It's like we've, yeah.
00:05:27
John S
Yeah, so the PSA, it was great. I was um i was at a lunch. meeting with a friend who was coming back to the shop to grab a piece of paperwork. And so I had like a quote unquote guest here. So I'm like, Oh my gosh, like I've got this guest here and now this is happening. So I just said, you've got a process sheet on the machine. That's the service code to call them. Cause all I care about now is getting on the books for service.
00:05:53
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
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John S
Um, and so that helped the serial number was there. The number to call was there and.
00:05:58
johngrimsmo
So somebody not you called, called it in.
00:06:00
John S
yeah Yep.
00:06:01
johngrimsmo
That's good. That's excellent.
00:06:02
John S
Um, and then what else was the takeaway from that? Um, I don't remember. I had something else I was going to say, but yeah, it is what it is.
00:06:10
johngrimsmo
Yeah. just sort of Well, I feel for you, but, uh, everything mechanical has issues eventually.
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John S
Um, yeah.
00:06:19
John S
Yeah.
00:06:22
johngrimsmo
um Okay.
Banking Mishaps and Resolutions
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johngrimsmo
I've got a funny one. So on that note, um remember last week I was talking about the bank losing $200 of my money?
00:06:30
John S
Very fascinating, sorry, yes.
00:06:32
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yeah. So ah literally after we recorded that podcast, I spent, let's call it far too much time worrying about this issue, calling the bank, playing phone tag with all the dispatchers and trying to get to the like branch.
00:06:41
John S
Yeah.
00:06:47
John S
Oh yeah, ugh.
00:06:48
johngrimsmo
and and Anyway, I talked with my accountant for a while, talked with you for quite a while. like like I've earned quite a lot of time of my minutes, if I'm valuable, you know of money for this $200 missing thing.
00:06:58
John S
Yes, absolutely.
00:07:01
johngrimsmo
But where's my money? like You counted it, I counted it. Anyway, um so long story short, I went into the bank and stood in line for a while, waited eventually. the branch manager kind of came out and talked to me and she didn't know about the situation but then talked to somebody real quick and she goes oh it turns out the accounting machine ate your money and there were two two hundred or two hundred dollar bills stuck in the automated accounting machine and they just kind of opened it up and saw them and they're like oh we found them okay all good what
00:07:34
John S
Yeah, yeah not not cool.
00:07:38
johngrimsmo
So, I mean, all good and I didn't make a stink of it, but I was just like, wow. And she's like, oh, machines. I'm like, I know how that goes, but come on.
00:07:48
John S
Yeah, yeah, right.
00:07:51
johngrimsmo
Anyway, that's funny.
00:07:53
John S
I'm sorry, that's six.
00:07:55
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:07:56
John S
Feels good to be exonerated, but it's also just like, yeah.
00:07:58
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. It's like a whole waste of time for anyway.
00:08:04
John S
My good, my, I think I shared this story on the podcast, which I always feel crappy if I'm sharing repeated stories, but a guy came up to me in a parking lot probably a year ago who I,
00:08:04
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:08:17
John S
involved in a nonprofit with here. And he knew my my grandfather, my grandfather on my mother's side who passed away just about over 20 years ago. So I knew him for sure, but not as an adult in a professional capacity, et cetera. I just knew him as a kid.
00:08:29
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:08:31
John S
And he died, of he had Alzheimer's and has come to that. And so he, this gentleman, Jack is his name, she said, I don't remember why it came up in some context. I wasn't either worried at the moment, but somehow it came up in more
00:08:41
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:08:45
John S
normal segue that I'm about to bring up right here. Well, I guess not you. And he was like, I always admire your grandfather because he would, he would always remind me if you can fix something, fix it.
00:08:50
johngrimsmo
Hmm.
00:08:54
John S
And if you can't, don't waste time worrying about it. And yeah, look, I, I'm just, I'm also like, you know, I'm defensive, like don't lose my money. Um, but it's 200 bucks that you didn't lose. i You know, and when this happens again, I don't want you to worry about it as much.
00:09:12
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. Yep. Because I guess time cured that problem by the time I came back in, they had found it, but I couldn't count on that. You know, I don't know.
00:09:23
John S
Agreed, you couldn't, but you my other, my boss was always talking about option value. Like you really haven't forfeited any options if you just give it a day to let the bank sort that out.
00:09:32
johngrimsmo
Fair.
00:09:33
John S
um And banks, you know, selling $200, you're not going to like file a lawsuit over it, but banks taking money from somebody is a big deal from the banking.
00:09:41
johngrimsmo
Exactly. Exactly. In the banking world.
00:09:42
John S
so
00:09:44
johngrimsmo
And like, a part of the reason I wanted to go in, cause I'm like, you still have the cash. Like I want to count it again. Like sure. Why not? It's, I mean, it's not my money anymore, but the, the, yeah.
00:09:53
John S
Yeah, they give you a receipt. i would have i would have i would I would have sort of said, funny enough, this is actually your problem and not mine.
00:09:56
johngrimsmo
Exactly.
00:10:00
johngrimsmo
I was about to say that exactly. So, uh, that's yeah. Anyway. But all good, all good. um In other broken machine news, so remember the bloom probing issues that I've been having for quite a while on the
00:10:07
John S
yeah
00:10:12
John S
I'm the brother.
Continued Probe Issues and Manufacturer Support
00:10:17
johngrimsmo
brother?
00:10:17
johngrimsmo
um They sent a new probe as a, I don't want to call it a loner, but it's like a warranty like thing um to see if a new probe would solve the problem and it did not solve the problem. So the probe itself that I thought I had, crashed or malfunctioned or something like that um gives the exact same results as the brand new probe. So my old one's still good. and But I'm still having all this radio interference or whatever it is, false triggers. Basically, if I turn the probe on and tell it to move 10 inches very slowly and and it's looking to hit something, it's false triggering and stopping the machine before it gets that far.
00:10:54
John S
Yeah, sure.
00:10:57
johngrimsmo
So tomorrow, Thursday, Bloom is going to come in and they're going to replace the interface that kind of takes the probe signal and sends it then to the machine, reads it, and they said there was some Possible known issues with that in very few cases around the world um About my particular like point in time that I bought it and yada yada So they're they're gonna see if that works and if not ah They're gonna throw it all away and put infrared probe in like I ordered originally, but they didn't have in stock Yeah, well, but I mean this might be the easy solution so it's a quick two-step process and
00:11:18
John S
Yeah.
00:11:28
John S
Dude, just put infrared on it, John. You don't need the radio. Yeah.
00:11:38
johngrimsmo
We'll see, I'm with you, but if I don't need to, then saves everybody a lot of time and expense.
00:11:44
John S
Counter to that is they do it. It works tomorrow. It stops working in three months.
00:11:48
johngrimsmo
Fair.
00:11:48
John S
And now, yeah, but it's like you're you're in the business of making knives, not yet
00:11:49
johngrimsmo
Well, they'll hear about it.
00:11:52
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah. So either either this interface is ah malfunctioning somehow, vaguely, whatever, or I do have some sort of radio interference in my shop that is in conflicting with the probe. And in that case, radio does not work. I don't know what the answer is right now, but we shall find out tomorrow.
00:12:13
John S
Did you listen to Spencer Webb talk about all the radio stuff?
00:12:14
johngrimsmo
I did, yeah. Yeah, it was really interesting.
00:12:16
John S
I mean, my takeaway from that was we all have huge amounts of radio interference. It's just kind of a question of whether it happens to be the bad. What I loved, what I thought was interesting was he explained, because as a layman, it makes so much sense. Those Wi-Fi routers that have two or four antennas, the, and I'm going to probably jump out of his chair the way I explained this, but the four antennas aren't necessarily to get four times more angles or, or four times more reception is basically to have out of phase antenna locations so that if one of them has interface, the other one won't because of the the likelihood
00:12:48
John S
Both of them, the way their space aren't going to be relative to the frequency waves that the radio signals work on. One of them will be good and then you can do like a parity check and figure out which one doesn't have the interface.
00:12:58
johngrimsmo
and
00:12:58
John S
And it sounds like those bloom rubs don't have that and you're in a bouncy box with a machine closer. It sounds like a horrible environment to do the radio in.
00:13:06
johngrimsmo
Yep. yeah And yet Bloom and Renishaw both make radio probes. They're not maybe as common, but they do it. So I don't know. I'm not the expert on this. But yeah, so hopefully tomorrow I will have either a solution or answers and we'll be able to tell. Because like right now I can't use the probe at all. Like it's it's got too much interference to even trust.
00:13:27
John S
Yes, sure.
00:13:27
johngrimsmo
So it'll be very easy to test tomorrow if there's still interference or if it seems to be good. Um, cause I can do this move over like 15 minutes to like move from, you know, zero to 15 inches at one extra minute. Um, and if there's no interference in that 15 minute move, hopefully we're good to go.
00:13:48
John S
Come.
00:13:49
johngrimsmo
So we'll see.
00:13:53
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:13:53
John S
Hmm.
Knife Production Plans and Tracking Changes
00:13:55
John S
Hmm.
00:13:56
johngrimsmo
So my, I joke, but my brain is finally coming back from, from blade show and from the big crunch and not much sleep before blade show. I'm actually like feeling it. I'm feeling myself more and like, ah you know, ideas and progress and things like that. and been making really good progress on getting the integral into production, which is super fun. I had a big engineering meeting yesterday with Angelo and Jeff.
00:14:21
John S
Good.
00:14:24
johngrimsmo
Jeff and Spencer sat in too. And we kind of went over, kind of, I dumped my head, all the thoughts and changes and tweaks from my head onto a big whiteboard. Angelo wrote it down and he's like categorizing it into, okay, Jeff can do this. Angelo can do this. John's got to do this. We split it up. um And what felt like a really big, you know, huge, a lot of things to do kind of filtered down into not that difficult, you know, break it down, um prioritize and execute.
00:14:51
John S
Yeah. Break it down, right? Yep.
00:14:58
johngrimsmo
And yeah, so I've been picking away at that list and making good progress. And the question is, how much do I change and how much do I just accept as like, it's it's fine as it is. So I'm deciding that as I go, but
00:15:12
John S
Okay.
00:15:13
johngrimsmo
Cause I could tweak till I'm blue in the face, but pretty much I also want to move forward and start, you know, selling these. I've got a lot of people super interested in them. So, um, I mean, there's a lot of technical, uh, decisions to be made and work to be done. And then there's like marketing and how are we selling these? Are we doing a list or we do a drop?
00:15:30
John S
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:31
johngrimsmo
So we do it and they're like. What, kind of what does our marketing look like? Are we doing videos? Are we doing pictures posts? Like there's a lot to do in launching a new product. And I was kind of ignoring much of it before blade show and just kind of trying to finish the product.
00:15:44
John S
Yeah, sure, sure.
00:15:45
johngrimsmo
And now it's kind of all coming down to me, but I have a team around me that can, you know, that can, uh, it's happy to take on some of this load.
00:15:50
John S
Yes.
00:15:55
johngrimsmo
So I'm forcing myself and the guys around me are forcing me to, um, share, which is good.
00:16:01
John S
The brief conversation we had on WhatsApp about, what was it called, p PDP, like product development process or something?
00:16:09
johngrimsmo
Yeah Rob was talking about it Yeah Yeah
00:16:10
John S
Yeah, I think i think if you're somebody at a quote unquote big company, a consumer device company where you have CE or UL standards and overseas production and injection molds, you would look at a company like yours and mine and be like, yeah, I mean, sure, they've got some, steps and processes, but like it's a joke how easy it is to give such a tighter, shorter cycle, and so the fact that we can sell stuff while we continue to make iterations on the spot is wonderful.
00:16:42
John S
I'm talking a lot here.
00:16:43
johngrimsmo
Yeah, and I love that.
00:16:44
John S
I'm a student more than a professor here by all means, but
00:16:48
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:16:49
John S
the, you know, I worry about recalls or let me say, so for you, it's like, okay, is a knife safe, right? Like basically, is it safe? And does it have any flaw that we would be, you know, so upset about that?
00:16:59
johngrimsmo
nice
00:17:00
John S
It just is a problem for our brand. Like, I mean, it's really just the safety one, frankly, because it's going to iterate and whatever.
00:17:07
johngrimsmo
yeah And that's that's a big reason why, especially making this knife, I've been tracking my changes and version numbers on pretty much every part.
00:17:13
John S
Yeah.
00:17:14
johngrimsmo
So that, I don't know if there is ever a recall, I hadn't really thought about it in the recall sense, but I'm tracking things so that if blades one to nine tend to fail in the same way, well, at least now I have a batch and I have it written down and I have a ah category.
00:17:25
John S
yeah
00:17:27
johngrimsmo
um And as we go forward and make tweaks, whether it's to the lock geometry or to the clip shape or the weight mounts or whatever, um I can you know I can nail it down and have iterations versions and variations to keep track of, which is great.
00:17:42
John S
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:44
johngrimsmo
And then the other thing I was thinking of is, I'm basically going to be changing not only the shape of the clip, but probably the way it mounts.
00:17:44
John S
you know
00:17:51
johngrimsmo
um And do I want to make a couple backups of the current style just to have forever? you know like Like inventory, if somebody breaks one in half,
00:17:59
John S
Yes, 100%. No, for totally agree.
00:18:02
johngrimsmo
I'm not gonna want to go back and make it so I'm like literally the will gets all set up I can make three more and just put them in a bag and I'm good forever um You know I mean
00:18:05
John S
Totally agree.
00:18:12
John S
No, here's what you do. ah We just did this for Gen 2 Modifies, because we've i mean we haven't done any public super public. We need to do a video of this later this summer and all that. But um Gen 2 Modifies are now not the default option on our website, and we're making and shipping mostly all Gen 3. And what we did was, for certain stuff that was super Gen 2 specific is we keep a certain amount back in inventory. Now this is much higher volume than a knife clip, right? Like we're just talking about rep replacement jaws or rep replacement soft jaws, stuff like that.
00:18:41
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:18:44
John S
And then you just put a little Tupperware bin together and you have finished examples. You have your fixtures. If you're not reusing them, you keep them. And then we actually even keep some extra raw material and we just date date it. And so I'll keep, for example, Gen 2 mod vice fixed side material is not a material we will be ordering again. So we just kept a double digit number of pieces back behind it. I'll date it in and a year from now. If we haven't used it, and then I can just use it for scrap or R&D or whatever.
00:19:12
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Johnny Five Project Updates
00:19:15
John S
But I don't want to i don't want to make one again, so we have extras. But if I absolutely had to, at least I've got a starting point.
00:19:20
johngrimsmo
so yeah And that's something I never really thought of because we've, you know, hearing from other companies that make make products or whatever, and you know, whatever their warranty might or might not end up being, for the most part, it's like, for the most part, we'll take care of you. Um, It's it's you can't always go back and make version one again if somebody has a version one like ah you could but it's not worth the effort so like sometimes it's easier just to go well here's the new one like yeah for something like this like making these clips Before I tear it on the setup before I change cam before I do anything else.
00:19:50
John S
Right, right. That's what's kicking, sorry.
00:19:59
johngrimsmo
I'll just make three more and store them of The nine knives that are out there and three more will be perfect
00:20:02
John S
100%. Yeah, right. um i We just released a kind of June update video on Johnny Five. making tons of progress. I really love it. it's It's been fun. I have found, I'm more of a personal note, and I didn't talk about this in the video. What I found is um I have, i I bring home parts of him, like the head or the neck, and I have, him I work on him in my kitchen where I have a little computer, so I'm like kind of so with the family while I'm looking at the CAD model or I'm, you know, tweaking apart or 3D printing something, because I just can't work on him at work.
00:20:36
John S
It doesn't, I'm not going to, it doesn't,
00:20:38
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:20:39
John S
It's not that it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right, but it's not even that. It's like when I'm here, I like to be here as, as the Saunders employee. And so, um, working on my home is the absolute right balance. And I don't have to go like into the basement in the way for everybody. You just do 20 minutes here, 20 minutes there. Um, but what's been brutal are is. Number one, there are certain components, especially the exterior or aesthetic components that are no longer in production. So like these are um these are ban hydraulic banjo bolts um and the part that they mate into, which I don't have in front of me.
00:21:12
johngrimsmo
ye
00:21:16
John S
is discontinued there are versions of them floating around the internet but unfortunately they're also used in a ghostbusters replica thing and so they are what would be six dollars they're like 130 online if you can find them and you know spending that on one part isn't going to change the johnny five budget but the problem is that there's
00:21:24
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:21:37
johngrimsmo
Yep. All right.
00:21:38
John S
50 examples of that across the robot. Like it's just not, it's not the right way to do it. And so, uh, in that specific example, we've actually UMC 350 machine summer placements, which is freaking sweet.
00:21:48
johngrimsmo
Yes.
00:21:48
John S
But, uh, there's, so there's the discontinued stuff. And then there's also. um This is crazy, but when the inputting team started building the CAD model 10 years ago, even since then, stuff has been discontinued. And so they relied a lot on a hobby robotic system called, I think, Acrobatics, which it's now through ServoCity, although I wondered if ServoCity bought it. But basically, most of the stuff that they modeled J5 route has been discontinued.
00:22:19
John S
um And they are there are replacements, but the replacements don't work. therere they raw They're too big. They don't fit areas.
00:22:27
johngrimsmo
Right.
00:22:27
John S
So you're like, oh man, I'm getting, I'm getting, you know, and there's some workarounds with 3D printing or machining, or some of the guys in the group have bought bought out the remaining stock and are willing to sell some of it, which is great. But you're just like, oh, all I want to do is keep building this thing. And now I'm all of a sudden playing, you know, I'm playing a shopping guru to figure out substitutes.
00:22:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:22:48
johngrimsmo
Or product engineer to make this new banjo fitting yourself.
00:22:52
John S
Yeah, exactly, right?
00:22:52
johngrimsmo
All right.
00:22:53
John S
Yeah. So it's been fun, though.
00:22:56
johngrimsmo
good Nice little passion project.
00:22:58
John S
ye Yeah. Yeah.
Fixture Pallet Challenges and Solutions
00:23:03
John S
Uh, the other thing we're trying to do is I think Caleb is making progress. So I am proud that I delegated to the like challenge between the two of us.
00:23:14
John S
I was like, Caleb, here's what I want you to figure out. Let's go spend some time on it. Um, the background is we're running our 12 by eight fixture palettes on the VF two, and they use G 68. core like alignment probing in op two. So G68 is a variable that then gets applied throughout that part run. So you can't, if you're running two of the same thing, you can't you can't drill on the left one, drill on the right one, unless you got more complicated with how you are reapplying the variables and storing them, which from a programming standpoint would not be hard to do.
00:23:14
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:23:48
John S
I don't even wanna do that though.
00:23:49
johngrimsmo
yeah Yeah, sure.
00:23:49
John S
I just wanted to have i wanted to make the one on the left with the G68, and then I wanted to go G68 the one on the right and make that one. Fusion posts don't like that. And maybe I'll talk next week, or actually we're not on next week, the two weeks. I think we we also i think found out a solution to that, which is great. but um What I wanted to do was, but so right now to run op ones and op twos, to make two op ones and two complete op twos. So there's four pieces of material and thing. I have to load four programs on a Haas control. So I have to go up to it, open the first file. Cause there's no like, there's no scheduling, John. There's, there's a vertical, like your Maury, right? Can you schedule stuff on your Maury?
00:24:34
johngrimsmo
if I'm really clever with macros, but not at the moment, though.
00:24:37
John S
Yeah. Okay. So well, that's what we're going to do is a simple macro.
00:24:39
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:24:40
John S
And I think. Again, I'll keep everybody posted. Um, I found it, uh, Haas terryberry video that talks about M 97 and M 98. The video mostly talks about M 97, which is macros within one file, like calling, calling stuff at the bottom, which is.
00:24:54
johngrimsmo
Yeah, sure, sure.
00:24:55
John S
If you wanted to do a star pattern chamfer across a thousand stars, you can have one copy of the code and you could just call it and every at every new location.
00:25:01
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:25:04
John S
Um, I want to do M 98. So basically the main file has five lines in it, where it just basically opens up three.
00:25:11
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:25:12
John S
It opens up program one finishes it it opens up program two and finishes it. That way I can run the darn thing without going and, you know, hitting three buttons, like a doofus, like that doesn't still it.
00:25:21
johngrimsmo
And then you have four separately posted programs.
00:25:24
John S
Bingo.
00:25:24
johngrimsmo
1001, 1002, 1003, 1004.
00:25:26
John S
Yeah. Yes.
00:25:27
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I do that.
00:25:28
John S
So, Oh yeah.
00:25:28
johngrimsmo
I do that a lot on the current and could have been more on the speedio now too. um That kind of master program that calls sub programs.
00:25:35
John S
Okay.
00:25:37
johngrimsmo
um
00:25:38
John S
Well, those are FANUC machines or even brothers FANUC ish, right?
00:25:40
johngrimsmo
but yeah Yep, yep, yep.
00:25:42
John S
Okay. So what, I mean, I know it won't work apples and apples. So well what's that code look like for you?
00:25:47
johngrimsmo
It's basically M98, if I want to...
00:25:50
John S
Oh, it is M 98.
00:25:51
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:25:52
John S
Oh, awesome.
00:25:53
John S
That's good to know.
00:25:53
johngrimsmo
So there's G65, which lets you pass variables down, um macros from your line to the subprogram that you're calling, which is super helpful sometimes.
00:25:56
John S
Okay. Okay.
00:26:01
John S
Yeah.
00:26:03
johngrimsmo
M98 can't pass variables down, but I learned it can it can jump to a line number.
00:26:06
John S
Yeah.
00:26:10
johngrimsmo
So if you go M98, I think it's P5, it'll jump to line five, N5 in your subprogram.
00:26:16
John S
Okay.
00:26:16
johngrimsmo
So I'm kind of using that as a pass down variable as well. um And you can only go, like, you know, ah especially the probing routines, you it like goes into one file and then goes into another file and it goes and it's got to back its way out um on the speedo.
00:26:20
John S
Interesting.
00:26:24
John S
Mm hmm.
00:26:32
johngrimsmo
And I think on most fanics, you can only go four layers deep with GE M98, but you can go eight layers deep, which is 65 or the other way around or something.
00:26:41
John S
Okay.
00:26:42
johngrimsmo
And because of the way we're running the speedio with a master program, even a ROA scheduler program that I made, I'm running out of layers. Especially if I'm probing when I'm already three layers deep or something.
00:26:52
John S
That's hilarious.
00:26:55
John S
Oh, sure. Sure.
00:26:55
johngrimsmo
oh Because the probing takes four layers by itself.
00:26:59
johngrimsmo
So I have i have gone down this road.
00:27:01
John S
Interesting.
00:27:02
johngrimsmo
I'm happy to share you my master program, but it's it's basically M98 P1001.
00:27:07
John S
Okay.
00:27:08
johngrimsmo
Call the program and then it jumps back to the master and then you're done.
00:27:11
John S
So I was, I don't want to waste a bunch of time talking about this because I thought and was hoping it could be that simple. All the examples I found online were examples where in the master program they were setting some important things like the offset, they were setting the tools and they were only jumping to a different program for like just code that wasn't otherwise complete.
00:27:24
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:27:30
John S
And I was like, that's not what I want to do. I want to do what you said.
00:27:32
johngrimsmo
Well, the difference is you can you can totally run a complete code, so M98-P1001, which runs a whole program, except at the end of your program, there's an M30, and that's going to
00:27:39
John S
Okay.
Advanced Macro Programming Techniques
00:27:44
johngrimsmo
stop.
00:27:44
John S
Can I change to an M99?
00:27:45
johngrimsmo
Got to change it to an M99. So I created some logic that looks, am I in a subroutine?
00:27:47
John S
OK.
00:27:52
johngrimsmo
If so, M99, am I running by myself? M30.
00:27:57
John S
how you where Where does that code exist?
00:28:00
johngrimsmo
In my post, at the top and bottom of each posted code.
00:28:05
John S
OK, so if you open a Fusion file that is going to be a child of an M98, you have to make a choice somehow.
00:28:13
johngrimsmo
Hmm. No, the post posts every program the same. The master program basically acts. Yeah. The master program passes one variable down that says call the sub program, bring this variable with it. And because I'm bringing this variable with it, it knows the M 99 at the end. But if you run that program by itself, it doesn't bring that variable with it.
00:28:37
John S
OK.
00:28:39
johngrimsmo
So it M thirties.
00:28:41
John S
If you're willing to share that, I'd love to take ah take a look at that.
00:28:42
johngrimsmo
Of course. Yeah. Easy peasy.
00:28:43
John S
That's awesome. I mean, we're only going to be running it that way. And it's not coded. I'll probably repost that often. So I could ah would be at the risk of being brutally beaten by Lawrence over the interwebs. I would be willing to make a hand at it. But i not no hand at it. It's just even cooler.
00:29:00
johngrimsmo
you Like you hand it, you make your master program, you write that by hand.
00:29:04
John S
Yeah, sure, sure.
00:29:04
johngrimsmo
um But yeah, I wanted the speedio to be post and go and have that logic built into it. So I have modified my post to do this.
00:29:13
John S
Got it. Oh, I think I already see in my head how I could do it. Uh, I won't bump. Yeah, I get it.
00:29:18
johngrimsmo
Yep, basically its at the top of the program, there's like line and one and two and three and four.
00:29:18
John S
But sure. It's still readers.
00:29:27
John S
Yeah.
00:29:28
johngrimsmo
and it either sets a variable or doesn't. And the M98H jump to line number five helps with that.
00:29:34
John S
Right. Right.
00:29:38
johngrimsmo
And then by the time it gets to the end, it looks for the variable and it goes M99 or M30 and okay, works great, yeah.
00:29:38
John S
and
00:29:42
John S
Bingo totally makes sense. Yeah. So every program that every program in air quotes that you ever post probably has both options.
00:29:49
johngrimsmo
Yeah, totally.
00:29:49
John S
And then it just looks at the state of that variable.
00:29:52
johngrimsmo
Yep, it works great.
00:29:52
John S
Yeah, totally. That's awesome. Yeah, that's a great.
00:29:55
johngrimsmo
Yeah. So on the, on the current, ah sorry, on the speedio, I absolutely do have a scheduler and a pretty complex scheduler that I made for the Aroa palette changer.
00:30:05
John S
Okay.
00:30:05
johngrimsmo
So I could run a hundred programs, all, all with 600 variable macros.
00:30:08
John S
Yeah, that's awesome.
00:30:11
johngrimsmo
Um, the way I did it is like in variable six oh one, if I type 1001, it runs program 1001. If I type 1002, it runs program 1002.
00:30:19
John S
Okay. Oh, sure.
00:30:22
johngrimsmo
And then I also have. some other stuff in there that tells it, run this first, run this second. I've already been run. It's finished. It's running right now.
00:30:31
John S
Okay.
00:30:31
johngrimsmo
That all shows up in the 600 variables. It's pretty slick.
00:30:33
John S
Yeah, that's, that's cool.
00:30:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:30:36
John S
Okay.
Effective Cleaning Techniques
00:30:40
John S
You're really good at macro programming.
00:30:42
johngrimsmo
I'm pretty good at macro programming. Yeah. I spent a lot of time on it.
00:30:48
John S
Okay, I have two quick shares and then I'll I have nothing else to talk about but one is I had to laugh Just because it was kind of a funny moment where I knew something but I would have never ever thought to say it or articulate it but when I'm cleaning something so whether it's a part or a Coolant tank or the sink
00:30:51
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:31:07
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:31:11
John S
I've subconsciously learned that spraying a cleaning, like Windex or um Simple Green, spraying it um either on the surface or on a Scotch-Brite rag works way better than on a paper towel. And it a it I knew that it wasn't just because Scotch-Brite is also a in itself an abrasive.
00:31:29
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yep.
00:31:32
John S
And when I was listening to ah Robin Ranzetti, who is a guest briefly on the PF2 podcast, Um, Spencer or Robin said, by the way, I don't remember the context of what they were talking about. It might even be a lapping place or something. They're like, Robin's like, don't ever use paper towels when you're trying to clean something. if The paper towel will just work against you. It's soaking up the solvent or the fluid or the cleaner. Spray it on a little bit of Scotch-Brite, even the really gentle one, because the Scotch-Brite will kind of retain the cleaner, but not soak it up and stop it from being able to perform its job.
00:32:05
John S
And I just kind of chuckle because it is so much better scrubbing something or cleaning something with that over paper towel.
00:32:05
johngrimsmo
Interesting.
00:32:13
johngrimsmo
Interesting. Cause we use paper towels a lot. And yeah, I don't spray it on the paper towel. I usually spray the Windex or whatever on the surface, but then the paper towels, so it soaks it up quite a bit.
00:32:24
John S
Right, right.
00:32:24
johngrimsmo
But then in my head, I'm like, well, it's, it's soaked. It's like squishy and there's, you know, stuff in there and it gets, it gets around.
00:32:29
John S
Yeah.
00:32:32
John S
Yeah.
00:32:32
johngrimsmo
it's interesting i I'll keep that in mind.
00:32:34
John S
Try it.
00:32:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:32:36
John S
And then the other thing is because we are making the 12x8 pallets on the VF2 now, which funny enough we used to do to do them on a vertical years ago. They've been on the horizontal for the last two years and the horizontal has a benefit of being horizontal so you don't have fluid building up in the fixture plate holes because they're They're 90 degrees to ah the floor, which means the fluid basically pours out of them. Plus, you could do a little spin dry or blow them off. It's way easier. Now they're back on a vertical.
00:33:07
John S
So the each of the holes on a fixture pallet, which are not through holes, will pump collect a couple. It's a lot of fluid, a lot of coolant in the wand.
00:33:16
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:33:17
John S
And blowing it off, we've done it with smaller drills where we actually poke the drill into each hole with through spindle air and fans and compressed air when
Developing a 3D-Printed Venturi System
00:33:27
John S
it's done. you're just blowing the You're either blowing the coolant into the air big time or you're just blowing it from one hole to the the neighboring hole.
00:33:33
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:33:35
John S
so like This is half of a, this is half thesis, half question to our audience. um I am fine as a starting point. I think there's some ways we could even prove it. I'm fine as a starting point with something next to the machine that the operator picks up, whether it's a attachment to our compressed air, whether it's a new vacuum. I don't wanna vacuum the coolant out though. I wanna vacuum the coolant out of the hole into the machine enclosure.
00:34:00
johngrimsmo
who
00:34:01
John S
So what I'm thinking about, and I just 3D printed this right before we got on the phone, is a Venturi.
00:34:07
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:34:07
John S
So this is a Venturi that would allow us to, heck yes.
00:34:10
johngrimsmo
You can 3d print of injury. I never even thought about that. Okay.
00:34:16
John S
And again, if it works, there's gonna be ways to improve it.
00:34:17
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:34:18
John S
But let's say this is on compressed air, then you, and it would actually be a little bit tedious because there's probably still 150 holes, but we can improve it. We could create a Venturi with multiple fingers coming out of it and you do it. But basically, I wanna drop the tube into the fixture plate hole with the gunt with the handle being pulled and I want it to suck the coolant out and then have a little eight inch tube that just dumps it over the side of the table.
00:34:43
johngrimsmo
I've been curious the way to go. I'm imagining a squeegee, but a squeegee that sucks.
00:34:49
John S
Sucks.
00:34:51
johngrimsmo
Cause then you get like six inches at a time, like a vacuum cleaner with a wide attachment nozzle.
00:34:52
John S
but Yeah, it would be great. I just need it to dump the
00:35:01
johngrimsmo
Yeah. And with your Venturi, something, something.
00:35:03
John S
Okay, no that you're into something. Well, that's actually what I was thinking. I was like, I would build a little roller system with TPU rollers.
00:35:07
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:35:08
John S
That way you're not jamming the shiny aluminum product.
00:35:10
johngrimsmo
For sure.
00:35:11
John S
Okay.
00:35:11
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Cause you don't want to hit every hole one at a time, but you want to, yeah.
00:35:15
John S
No, that's a great idea.
00:35:16
John S
who
00:35:17
johngrimsmo
And I like your TP rollers.
00:35:18
johngrimsmo
Um, yeah, there's a way to do this. You, you want a vacuum. You're creating a vacuum cleaner.
00:35:23
John S
Yes.
00:35:24
johngrimsmo
Like, yeah.
00:35:25
John S
And again, you could vacuum it was kind of like a dust deputy, which is also a Venturi, like, right? I just want to vacuum it, but not into the,
00:35:32
johngrimsmo
e
00:35:32
John S
External shot back. I want to.
00:35:34
johngrimsmo
Dust deputy is not a Venturi, is it?
00:35:34
John S
what you Yeah.
00:35:36
johngrimsmo
No, no. No, because a Venturi uses air pressure to create air suction. A dust deputy is a centrifuge or a, what's it called?
00:35:46
John S
<unk>ia no um I might lose a bet here with you, but I think it does.
00:35:47
johngrimsmo
Yeah, so cyclone.
00:35:51
johngrimsmo
But there is some weird negative pressures in it. Well, the whole thing's a vacuum. It's a negative pressure, but
00:35:59
John S
Deputy functions on a Venturi principle.
00:36:01
johngrimsmo
I don't think so because there's no pressurized air.
00:36:04
John S
Sure there is, from the suction, oh, is it suction?
00:36:08
johngrimsmo
It's all suction.
00:36:09
John S
Okay, okay, okay, well, no yeah, I agree.
00:36:11
johngrimsmo
That's cool.
00:36:14
John S
Am I on the right track, you think?
00:36:15
johngrimsmo
I think so. Yeah, I think Venturi has limited um capacity for suction.
00:36:16
John S
Okay.
00:36:22
johngrimsmo
like That's why it works in a vacuum plate, because you're trying to evacuate all the air within a closed system.
00:36:27
John S
Yeah, and you're it's done, just has to hold it.
00:36:29
johngrimsmo
But as as a um suction device, it's not going to suck like a vacuum cleaner does.
00:36:36
John S
Well, and actually, so to your point, I'm not using a vacuum pump, I'm gonna be blowing, but that's exactly...
00:36:41
johngrimsmo
Yeah, error.
00:36:44
John S
Cause the, the 3d printed I found was actually meant more for a garden hose. So you have water, um, flowing through with the thing I'm holding up. And then it has a Venturi suction tube that pulls up some mixture, like some, let's say you were doing fertilizer for your lawn.
00:36:56
johngrimsmo
Yep. Yeah, sure.
00:36:59
John S
Well, instead of fertilizer for the lawn, the suction pickup tube is going to be the coolant in the fish plate hole. And it just continues to blow it out through there. So positive pressure through there will pick up from the low tube and blow it out.
00:37:10
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:37:11
John S
Should work.
00:37:12
johngrimsmo
It should work. I i wonder how much capacity. like Maybe you are limited to one hole at a time, but like you'll you'll find out.
00:37:18
John S
True.
00:37:19
johngrimsmo
Make the cheapest, quickest, fastest test and just put it on a thing.
00:37:21
John S
Fail.
00:37:23
John S
Fail fast, fail cheap.
00:37:24
johngrimsmo
um and Exactly.
00:37:27
John S
Okay.
00:37:27
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I like it. Love it.
00:37:33
John S
What's on your mind list?
Innovative Clip Redesign and Troubleshooting
00:37:34
johngrimsmo
um All integral stuff are, I could go back and forth.
00:37:38
John S
You're not, you don't call it the feel, huh?
00:37:41
johngrimsmo
um Yeah, I'm redesigning the clip right now. I've got a new shape that I'm really happy with. um I don't know if you saw pictures of the way that it's like T-slotted in with the two little expanding ears that holds it in place.
00:37:53
John S
I ah did. It's really cool.
00:37:55
johngrimsmo
And it's really cool, except there is slop and the clip wiggles because you have this tiny little quarter inch wide tee slot against the two inch long clip. And there's so much, um, whatever you call that, uh, leverage.
00:38:06
John S
Oh, sure.
00:38:10
johngrimsmo
that you can feel 10 thou of movement at the bottom like pretty grossly. um And it just feels like it's loose. And it just feels imprecise. It feels yucky. um i can I have about one thou of clearance in my T-slot. I could cut it in half, and I might try that today.
00:38:27
John S
Yeah.
00:38:30
johngrimsmo
um But I'm kind of leaning towards, it was cool, but it's probably not going to work. like
00:38:35
John S
Too much. Yeah.
00:38:36
johngrimsmo
Yeah, like long-term. One of our customers has already you know taken it in and out a bunch of times, which is cool, but it's it's just going to wear it out.
00:38:43
John S
Oh, sure. It's not gonna help.
00:38:45
johngrimsmo
like
00:38:46
John S
Sure.
00:38:48
johngrimsmo
um So all as cool as it is and as much of a flex as it has been to be able to pull it off and do it, I might just have to go to a single screw down clip like our Rask does or something like that.
00:38:58
John S
Mm hmm.
00:38:59
johngrimsmo
I'll try to make it nice and clean. um Being an integral, you can't easily hide the screw from the backside like we are on our regular handles.
00:39:07
John S
Right.
00:39:08
johngrimsmo
So either you make a really pretty exposed screw on the outside or you have or you have like a um
00:39:12
John S
Yeah.
00:39:15
johngrimsmo
an access hole on the opposite side of the handle where you are putting the screw through. Which could be fine, but it looks kind of gross too.
00:39:25
John S
Yeah, agree.
00:39:27
johngrimsmo
I don't know. and I don't have the answer yet, but I've been playing with the shape of the clip and I'm really getting to something that I'm pretty happy with. and then
00:39:34
John S
Come.
00:39:35
johngrimsmo
And then I'll figure out how to mount it coming up.
00:39:37
John S
time
00:39:38
johngrimsmo
So that's like the remaining big project in the Fjell version 2, like getting it ready for production. We're still going to keep making more APs as we finalize a bunch of stuff, which has been super fun.
00:39:47
John S
Yeah.
00:39:49
johngrimsmo
Thank you for the kind of inspiration for the the artist proof concept.
00:39:54
John S
Good. I like that.
00:39:55
johngrimsmo
And between you and Ansel, you both kind of pushed me in that direction and and the response
00:39:59
John S
Those are going to be like hyper-collectible, even if you make a hundred of them.
00:40:01
johngrimsmo
Yeah, those are going to be hot stuff. Yeah, yeah I'm kind of 25 to 50 is probably where I'm going to cut it off.
00:40:03
John S
Yeah.
00:40:07
johngrimsmo
um And then I'm hoping within maybe a month or two at most, but um we're ready for production. like We start back at serial one and we're like, yeah, they're good to go. They might evolve, but for the most part, they're done.
00:40:19
John S
Yeah.
00:40:20
johngrimsmo
And yeah, super excited for that.
00:40:24
John S
Are you, you don't know a lot about like AR-15 lower assemblies, right?
00:40:30
johngrimsmo
Not a lot, no. I know a basic amount.
00:40:32
John S
yeah You ever built one?
00:40:33
johngrimsmo
No.
00:40:34
John S
it's You should do that sometime if you're, I don't know what Canada lands like for that, but ah okay.
00:40:36
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:40:39
johngrimsmo
I don't know if you can.
00:40:40
John S
Well, come down here and freedom land a while.
00:40:42
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I've shocked yours, but I've never taken it apart.
00:40:43
John S
But ah yeah. So like putting together the old school cheap forged lower, there's like roll pins and it's not disgusting, there's nothing wrong with it. But then you go to like a high end, and they don't have to be high end, but like a billet machined lower and like they replaced roll pins with set screws and locks. And I was thinking about you too, because for no good reason, you know, still to this day, most pistols, even high end pistols use dovetail interface interference fits for slot for,
00:41:15
John S
for your sites which is always such such a you know you buy a nowadays it's like you can spend four grand on a 1911 and it's got literally hammered in dovetail swaged in sight and if you want to replace it which lots of guys do you're just kind of hammering it in there and it's it's so ah you couldn't I mean, if you know what you're doing and you build a jig, you could bump it over 10,000, but like, it's just such a horrible system on what's otherwise a beautiful EDM and your ground frame to slide fit device.
00:41:29
johngrimsmo
Really?
00:41:43
johngrimsmo
so Right.
00:41:43
John S
So it made me think about your clip about like, you don't want it wiggling around. You don't want to wear an out, but you also want it serviceable.
00:41:50
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. Yep. I've thought about adding a, some sort of a set screw or a tightening screw to the T-slot feature.
00:41:57
John S
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:41:58
johngrimsmo
There's not a lot of room to to do it. It would be like, I, I, I balled it with a 440 thread and that wouldn't fit.
00:42:02
John S
What's the smallest set screw you vote you're willing to work with? Oh, okay. There's a, ah Johnny Five has a lot of, ah two like a lot of 256s.
00:42:19
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:42:19
John S
And so I've been tapping and working with 256s for like the past two weeks.
00:42:21
johngrimsmo
Nice.
00:42:23
John S
And I looked at like a 632 the other day, I'm like, this thing is huge.
00:42:26
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yeah, big difference.
00:42:29
John S
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:32
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:42:33
John S
So everything's going good? What's on your plate? We're recording later in the day than normal, but what's on your tap?
00:42:40
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I'm um figure out how far I'm going to go before making, like actually making the next clip. um umm I'm working on the design right now and I'm probably just going to, you know, Call it good for the moment and just make one. Test fit on the knife, see how it feels. I could 3D print it, but I think I'm close enough on the Wilhelmin just to tweak a couple toolpaths and get it to work.
00:43:04
John S
No, it's free to print it, John.
00:43:07
johngrimsmo
Yeah, but...
00:43:11
johngrimsmo
But the print won't install in the knife unless I really modified it.
00:43:17
johngrimsmo
I don't know yet.
00:43:17
John S
Don't think it. Just print it. Throw it away.
00:43:20
johngrimsmo
Maybe.
00:43:21
John S
OK.
00:43:23
johngrimsmo
But I want to use the Wilhelmin too.
00:43:25
John S
Yeah.
00:43:25
johngrimsmo
yeah oh Yeah. And then I should make um three more clips before I stop stop making that style.
00:43:32
John S
Oh, yeah. Sure.
00:43:34
johngrimsmo
Do that.
00:43:35
John S
That's good.
00:43:36
johngrimsmo
And that's about it.
00:43:37
John S
Yeah.
00:43:38
johngrimsmo
Angelo and Jeff Jeff were noticing that the bar loader on the Tournos is a little bit off center.
Misaligned Bar Loader and Machine Trading Considerations
00:43:44
John S
Oh.
00:43:45
johngrimsmo
Um, like the bar is rubbing in the bar loader, which happens from time to time. Basically the bar loader is bolted down, but the machine is not. And the machine is in a drip tray that we had made, which is not bolted to the ground.
00:43:53
John S
Okay.
00:43:57
johngrimsmo
The machine's not bolted to the ground and there's oil everywhere.
00:44:00
John S
Oh no.
00:44:01
johngrimsmo
Oh, I'll just, that's a Swiss laid like it leaks oil.
00:44:04
John S
Ugh.
00:44:05
johngrimsmo
So the drip tray has been fantastic, but heck no.
00:44:07
John S
Have you thought about getting rid of your lathes?
00:44:12
johngrimsmo
Haven't you seen my t-shirt? I love lates.
00:44:14
John S
I know you do, but, but there's, I tell me you wouldn't trade if you could trade them straight up your knock and your tornos each for a four Oh eight or five Oh eight.
00:44:15
johngrimsmo
um
00:44:26
johngrimsmo
I have thought, I don't know if I'd get rid of the tornos. It is the right machine for a lot of our parts. And even our new Fjell um stop pins and buttons and stuff that I was making on the Wilhelmin or now making on the Tornos, better, better, better, faster, twice as fast or more.
00:44:43
John S
Uh-huh. Yeah, fair enough.
00:44:48
johngrimsmo
and But i would I would in a heartbeat trade the NAC for a brand new Wilhelmin.
00:44:56
John S
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:59
johngrimsmo
yep But I mean, we run the NAC six hours a day, every single day of the week. like It just runs.
00:45:03
John S
Isn't that awesome?
00:45:05
johngrimsmo
So I haven't touched it in years. So even, even thoughts of selling it, it's like, yeah, but it's making money.
00:45:10
John S
Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy.
00:45:14
johngrimsmo
Like it's, it works.
00:45:14
John S
works.
00:45:16
johngrimsmo
It's not maybe not the perfect machine for our needs, but it's paid off. It's great. And maybe eventually we'll, we'll do something different. But for now I got other problems to worry about.
00:45:28
John S
You're absolutely right. I still think there's some value once a year privately, not with anybody else, not even with me, like just privately, you know, go up to the lake and think about making sure you're not being the owner.
00:45:39
johngrimsmo
Totally.
00:45:41
John S
and Look, I pulled myself to the same standard. It's like, no, no, no, just because I own it, just because we use it, just because we paid off.
00:45:46
johngrimsmo
Yep, I agree.
00:45:47
John S
What, because that's what happens when, you know, when companies,
00:45:53
johngrimsmo
Hmm.
00:45:53
John S
change their pace of innovation is a platelet. Let's put it like basically it' just like, nah, I'm comfortable. I'm old.
00:45:58
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:45:59
John S
I don't want to change. I don't want to deal with it anymore. And and that might be okay. Like I'm not even against that. You at least have to acknowledge that that's where you're at in your phase.
00:46:07
johngrimsmo
Totally. And I've had, um due to our conversations and others, i've I've been able to think more in that realm than I had in previous years, where it's like, no, sweet, I have it.
00:46:15
John S
Yeah.
00:46:18
johngrimsmo
I've got all everything I need. um You know, I'll keep them away forever. It's the best machine, yada, yada.
00:46:22
John S
Yeah.
00:46:23
johngrimsmo
And I've gone through.
00:46:27
John S
Well, I'm going to wrap it up right now because we're at 46 and I'm getting a call on that spindle issue.
00:46:28
johngrimsmo
it Oh, no worries.
00:46:31
John S
Sorry, I'll see you.
00:46:32
johngrimsmo
Okay. We'll see you not next week, week after.
00:46:34
John S
Sounds good. Thanks.
00:46:35
johngrimsmo
Okay. Bye.
00:46:35
John S
Bye. when i or