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M.O.D.O.K. Episode 1 LIVE
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On our first LIVE episode, we tackle the first episode of Marvel's M.O.D.O.K. on Hulu! Featuring special guests Matthew Carroll & Brian V. Klein
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Introduction and Announcements
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Live Episode and Guest Introduction
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Welcome to the Animation Deliberation podcast, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. On our first live episode here, we are covering MODOK's first episode, and I have a couple of great guests with me, Matthew Carroll of the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, as well as Brian V. Klein. And we are excited to dive into this episode right after these ads that we don't have any control over.
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Initial Impressions of MODOK
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over.
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. All right.
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Well, welcome in. Welcome in, everybody. Thanks for tuning into another episode of Animation Deliberation. I am your host, J. Scottie St. Clair. And as I mentioned, I'm super excited for this very first live episode of Animation Deliberation. I've got Matthew Carroll and Brian V. Klein here to discuss MODOK. Welcome, guys. How you doing?
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Good, thanks for having us. Of course, of course, yeah. For myself, I was super excited for the series from day one, the first little snippets of information that we got. But I obviously have a vested interest in animation to begin with, but I'd be really excited to get your guys' initial impressions on this pretty crazy series. It was a weird experience for me. OK.
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I tend to not watch comedy, like pure comedy. I like things that have comedy in them. I like comedy, but I guess I just like, for some reason, shows with more storyline and overarching things, they drive me forward. They make me continue watching, which is why I like my comedy sprinkled in with a good overarching story.
Satirical Style and Comparisons
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this had that robot chicken thing which feels like what you want with the like youtube videos that i put on and just like get drunk and watch or whatever you know it's like it's not sure my normal but this was like trying to thoughtfully not really thoughtful which enjoy a a new show and it has an overarching plot it seems which is cool but it every scene was like one of those sketches where nothing matters but then juxtaposed onto this like
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larger series. I found it very interesting. And it kind of messed me up. I was like trying to trying to follow it, but also like I just laughed a lot like it kept taking me out of myself and I liked that I liked a lot. Definitely, definitely.
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Oh, I agree. It was having a little bit more backstory and knowing of MODOK, I loved the satirical kind of take that they had on it and the Robot Chicken vibe was, you know, expected and I think it worked well for what they were doing here.
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The overall arching the understory like the main plot of it but in between that like i was saying just a little. Skits that they got from point a to point b to point c were just hysterical and i'm sure we dig deep into that.
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Yeah,
MODOK's Emotional Depth
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yeah. The robot chicken comparisons are pretty apt. That's a show that leans fully into the absurdity. But I really do like what you bring up, Matt. There is obviously that absurdity. But it's driven by this emotional through line. And it seems like there's actually going to be something connecting us to this pretty crazy character. But even with the opening scene, we open with a young George Tarleton crying. And it kind of helps to demonize this incredibly
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Egotistical creature like going forward clearly when making wanting to make him a sympathetic protagonist in some way at least well enough so that you can follow him and not And not just be out immediately because
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I don't know. It's like it's that weird balance of like, does nothing matter or does do things matter? And like he was a real jerk to his wife throughout the entire thing. And I was kind of nervous that the show was going to be so nothing matters that she was just going to be like the
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like the steady wife character in the background making social media moves, the whole series. And then he was, you know, not going to do things to earn her love. You know what I mean? And then he was, he did a very big violation and taking over her body in a moment that was important to
Character Relationships and Development
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her. And then like, I was like, okay, now they're out to dinner.
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But then the divorce kind of threw me and I was like, oh, they are going to let things matter. And I love that. I love a lot. Yeah, there's consequences. Yeah, I thought that was cool. Yeah, I'm glad you're bringing that up. I had a little bit of trepidation myself, especially with the
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Jody, his wife Jody Tarleton, that character. To compare it to another adult animated series, I thought it was going to go the way of Family Guy a little bit, where you obviously have Peter Griffin being this very boorish and offensive character, but we still like him, but he constantly treats Lois and the daughter Meg, they're punching bags for
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lack of a better term. But yeah, I really appreciate the fact that there was consequences and some finality to that, that major basically betrayal of her trust and just a huge line to cross there. Yeah. But it was kind of planted earlier on in the episode. I remember when he said like, there's, if there is aim, MODOK is aim, aim is MODOK. If there's none, what am I? And she's like, if that's true, we might need to have a pretty serious conversation about us. And then of course there's a gag right after that. So you don't dwell on it too much.
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They plant that seed, especially because when she said that, maybe I could be like the breadwinner. And he said that, and then they planted it, and then they cut to a gag. So it's sort of like, it's in your brain, but it's, no, look at this funny. Yeah, so I was glad that was there. So I don't have like a huge problem. Because for a minute, I thought I was gonna have a problem with the series. I'm like, Oh, because like, especially the anyway, let's talk about the funny things. Sorry, there's like, there were things he did to hurt. I was like, that's very offensive.
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And the fact that he scrolled through his brain to remember times she might have given him consent to do the thing he wants to do, I was like, oh, that's not a good look. That's real, real bad. That's not OK at all. Yeah, you knew it wasn't going to a good place there. But that did get one of the funniest parts of the episode for me when you were hearing Jody and these past memories and whatnot. It always ties back to bangs and the one I really got. I'm pregnant with bangs.
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Yeah, I loved it. There were multiple lines in this entire episode that just made me like guffaw, like really laugh hard sitting here at my desk and like the boot missing and an Iron Man just going, uh-oh, like is so funny, so funny and so like rooted in the world and like real like, what if Iron Man lost a boot? That's hilarious.
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And actually to go back to the funny part, I didn't even notice this until right when the thing ended. The first thing I saw when the credits rolled, I think it was like the executive producer or whatever, Seth Green and Matthew Senterike are credited. And it's actually Stupid Monkey, which is the Robot Chicken production studio, is the one that created this. So the ties to Robot Chicken are actually very much intended because the guys that did that did this as well.
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That's cool. I did not know that, but I kind of would have assumed it, honestly. I was like, this is definitely that team, right? Oh yeah. And I think J. Scottie agreed with that. There was this old show on Adult Swim, another stop motion animation show called Moral Oral. And it had that same type of character design where it was more
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Because Robot Chicken pretty much just takes like action figures and puts like the paper mouths on them. This one was fully fleshed out characters and it had more of that design. I think those were all, you know, a general way that shows like this are designed anyway. Well, and then, I mean, Robot Chicken initially is drawing a lot of inspiration from the classic, like Rankin and Bass, like stop motion animated series and like the holidays and whatnot. Like, you know, I think probably most people have seen one of those, if not like the little drummer boy or
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Rudolph. Rudolph, yeah. Or Gumby, or any stop motion animation thing. This is very much in that, you know, tradition. And it's just, it's funny that they're, I don't know, that's a really hard way to make television. Oh, it's painstaking. Is this actually done old style? Or are they, I'm guessing they're using elements of CGI to enhance it, probably.
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Uh, so I, I do believe it's entirely stop motion at the end of the day, but they're definitely leaning on some technology in terms of like how they're planning the shots and whatnot, because I did, I was privy to some behind the scenes stuff where you actually saw Patton Oswalt got into like a full modoc, like get up and was like walking around a set and stuff like that. So that's kind of how they did their storyboarding.
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Interesting. Well you say storyboarding. I wonder if they did like a form of like yeah, that's interesting I'm really gonna
Crafting MODOK: Animation Techniques
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have to go look sounds like sounds like based on what you're saying that maybe they did some like almost motion capture and then animated it based on that or like I Don't know. That's a look to not to
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get off track too much but if anybody's seen like the Lego movies that came out starting with like the Lego movie that had Chris Pratt as the main voice there they do that where it's obviously they have to lean on some technology but when you zoom in you can see like the little imperfections on the plastic and same thing with this series like there were times where I saw like lint and stuff like that on the whites of of modox eyes but it just kind of like endears you to the show and really does give you that feel of like the classic like you're almost playing with toys yeah
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playing with your action figures and even with the character designs like the opening sequence with Iron Man that you mentioned like the shield agents are in that classic like blue and white get-up that we've never seen in the in the films or anything like that yeah it's great
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Yeah. Oh gosh, the super adaptoid, which I only know from the video game, but I know that in the video game, he's like this very imposed, the Avengers video game that came out recently. He's this very imposing figure that you have to be like, oh, it's the super adaptoid. He was so funny in this. They call him the smoothie machine. Are you calling me the smoothie machine? I am the super adaptoid.
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He's he's at the front runner for one of my favorite characters. It's either him or Gary at this point. I would say What other lines did Gary have I caught only caught Gary's name when he did the thing about uh him about the guy's soul Sure, he said he can inhabit his body, but not his soul. So his soul belongs to God. Thank God sure Gary
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Yeah, he was the one that got his arm blasted off when he went for the coffee. Okay, I thought this was the same one. I thought this was for everybody. I love that because they've removed an arm which makes Gary noticeable as Gary, so if they continue to have that character throughout the series, like, I'm assuming Gary will be noticeable because he's the aim agent with one arm, you know, the beekeeper with one arm or whatever. That's super fun. I love that.
Voice Cast and Character Dynamics
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Yeah. And as we're kind of like talking about some of the characters, it is worth mentioning the voice cast. I mean, obviously, Patton Oswalt had a ton on his plate in terms of like just the amount of dialogue he's constantly firing off. And I was just super impressed. But the talent is all the way throughout. We mentioned Iron Man and that brief appearance in the opening sequence. That was actually Jon Hamm. Yeah. He felt like Jon Hamm was like doing his best like RDJ impression.
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Yeah, but that's very Jon Hamm too. If anyone could take the mantle, that's not a bad call. If they had to recast Iron Man, Jon Hamm is not a bad call at all. Not at all. Even in the MCU. I could deal with a multiverse version of Tony Stark that has Jon Hamm coming through. It was really good casting. I loved it.
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I want more – I wonder – I haven't heard anything. Do we know who other – what other heroes are appearing and who they're played by? I don't really want to know it necessarily, but do – Yeah, I won't spoil anything for you. I do know one for sure that's supposed to have at least a cameo appearance. So that is a thing that they're going to do throughout the series? I believe so. That's awesome. They're really relishing living in that classic comic world. As much as they're subverting it, they really are embracing it at the same time.
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What's amazing about it being such a different world than the MCU or even any of the other series, the Netflix series, whatever, and it being a comedy, is Iron Man is there. Iron Man is there.
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And I always listen to when I listen to DC on screen, guys, they're always talking about the how like different levels of DC content will or won't allow like, oh, they can't use Batman in that series. So we'll keep using other characters that are kind of like Batman and and
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Similarly, the MCU has that problem, but it's because the actors who play them aren't necessarily going to go and show up on runaways, right? But this being animated, and they still got Jon Hamm, which is freaking awesome, but Iron Man is there. They get to make an Iron Man boot joke, and I... Oh. Not a joke. It went on for about five minutes. Oh, that's true. That's true. I'm going to take this boot to my... She's about to announce...
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She's about to announce that she's going to sleep on the couch so I can take Iron Man's boot to my marital bed. What the? Do you think he has different ones for different seasons? Because this one smells like a fall pool puri.
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Like, oh, God, it was so funny. Man, really, really good. Yeah, yeah. I did want to highlight some of the other cast members and characters, though. I, right off the bat, recognized his daughter, Melissa, is played by Melissa Fumero, who, if there's any Brooklyn Nine-Nine fans, she stars as Amy Santiago on that show. Oh, mm-hmm.
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Yeah. I always wonder when they choose to like have a character have the same name as the voice actor is that, um, it makes me wonder how much improvisation was going on. And did they, did they do that to make it easier on, you know, um, just the creative process because.
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It definitely seems like one of those shows. They probably had a rough structure planned out, but just looking at some of the other cast members, the guy that played Austin Van Der Sleet, who was the really douchey representative from Grumble, that's Beck Bennett, and he just nailed it.
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As much as Modok is an unlikable character, putting him against someone like that makes him just that much more likable. Yeah, it lets you root for him. I love that kind of character that, like, he doesn't even really do anything wrong. Like, he's disrupting an evil organization and making them make a tablet. Like, that's a good guy, really. But, like, just the fact that he, like, is so annoying makes you root for the villain. Basically, it's real funny.
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when he was being attacked by Jodi in the office. And she's like, you should probably get out of here. I'm not in control of my own body. He's like, no, you have worked too hard in the corporate environment to get this meeting. Tell me more. So good. So good. The Sun was played by Ben Schwartz of Parks and Rec.
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Correct. John Ralphio. Loved it. And even the wife is Amy Garcia for anyone that watches Lucifer. She's Ella Lopez, the forensics person. Oh, OK. So she's recognizable too. I mean, I knew the voice was familiar, so I went, oh, that's OK. It's Lucifer. So.
Violence as Comedy in Animation
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Right. The voice of the adaptoid was familiar, but I couldn't place it. John Daly. John Daly. Oh, from a.
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the nine, he was on, uh, the guy who wore the little shorts on that show about the police, right? That's John Daly. No, no, no, no. That's Tom Holland. That's Tom Holland. Thomas, Thomas Lennon. Yeah. Yeah. Tom. Okay. He was on the, he was on the crawl show. I know that. Okay. He's one of those guys where you hear his voice and then you see him and you're like, Oh, okay. That's him. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think he's broken through quite as much as some other ones, but he's always been like a,
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a player on other people's shows and stuff like that. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, I look at his face. I know him. I just couldn't remember from what. What did you guys think about like the violence? I mean, obviously the show was rated MA. I'm just coming off of Invincible where we got a lot of feedback regarding the violence and whether it was gratuitous or not, but I love the way it was just played to comedic effect here.
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I think it was too. I mean, it wasn't quite the same as Invincible level because there's a difference, I think, between animated, like, life- I mean, Invincible seemed to be, it was animated, but it seemed to be more
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almost life-like animation where this is a little more cartoonish, not that Invincible wasn't, if you know what I mean, the stop motion. So they made it. Because I think when we were watching the scene, or Catherine even mentioned, they're like, there's blood splatter on the camera when you're seeing the show. And it's like, so it works. It never really took me out of it. Sometimes in Invincible, it sort of took you out of it. This one is just like, because I think it was the comedic aspect of it. For sure.
00:18:05
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Yeah, I love the scene when the AIM employee had disabled the security sensor on the wall and left the bird coat. Blood splatters all over his face. And then the bunny later and the same guy. Not again! Mr. Waffles.
00:18:25
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Oh, this is real good. Modoc will not leave without reparations. Your precious Mr. Waffles is now mine. Modoc is that – what was the line? In whom is Modoc? He couldn't try to figure out whose body he was in. Oh, yeah. When he miniaturizes himself, that was pretty funny. He's like, where am I in? That's not right. In whom is Modoc?
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when they take the time to care enough about dialogue in something that's this I mean it's it's a zany it's off the wall it makes you realize that you know there was a lot of it's not just slapstick it's there's there's thought put into it so absolutely I enjoyed that a lot absolutely the thing with
00:19:09
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The thing with the violence is like I'm trying to let go and let it not matter to me. Like, because violence does bother me in a lot of things, but I know this is being played for comedy effect. But I do have a little hard time, not just the violence, but also just like the gross things like that experiment that they had, the dog. Oh, yeah.
00:19:28
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Yeah, that really gets to me like I don't like seeing dogs that look like they're hurting like him scratching kill me and Like I just have to be like it's animated. It's animated. It's animated. Just have fun. Just have fun Yes, because then like Monica grabs him and just like throws him over his shoulder and it just yeah. Oh
00:19:45
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Yeah, yeah, that's worth mentioning. We did have Monica show up. She didn't play like a huge role. But I know we were kind of talking off air for a lot of people, their main exposure to MODOK before this series was the recent Avengers game. And Monica definitely showed up in that. Yeah, big role in that. Yeah, yeah. Nice to get that kind of connectivity there. But it seems like she's definitely going to be a bit of a foil for MODOK in this series.
00:20:13
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Yeah. He seems to have no lack of those though, all around him. Right. So they left this with him making a tablet for that guy. Is he still working for that tech bro?
00:20:28
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He got his employees' jobs back. Right. That was the deal he made. I'll give you your tablet, give them their jobs back. But they didn't say whether, like, I guess I don't know if going for – it's not, like, fulfilled the contract, which I don't think is how it would work in the real world, or if, like, that guy is going to be an ongoing, like, bother in trying to bother him, like, making him produce more things or whatever.
00:20:53
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Yeah, I know Matthew Fox, the ethical panda, had mentioned in our live watch, he made comparisons to the Harley Quinn animated series, and no spoilers there, but it does have some...
00:21:05
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some similar themes in terms of it being kind of like a mundane workplace comedy in a lot of ways. And I do think that the series, this being the first episode, the amount of time that we spent focused on AIM and Austin and stuff like that, I think it's going to be a through line for the series going forward, definitely coupled with the big fallout at the end of the episode we already talked about with Jodi wanting a separation.
00:21:27
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Yeah, yeah, that's that's a big deal like him not just being the family man, but being the like single dad That's just a completely different dynamic and it surprised me and I was very thankful for it because I think that like needed to happen for the
Speculating Family Dynamics in MODOK
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show to
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I don't know, it's weird, because for me to be interested, the show has to have some through line. Like, I'll still watch it on occasion and be like, ha ha ha ha ha. And I shouldn't undercut that. Like, I will laugh hard and have a good time. But like, for me to continue watching it and like care about the series, it has to have a through line like that. And I'll, yeah, I'm really glad they're getting a divorce is what I'm saying.
00:22:07
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Or at least there's the option of it being there. True, true. There's consequences, though. Yeah, there's consequences to his actions. That's what's important to me. Agreed. Agreed. Do you guys have any predictions? Do you think he's going to be on his own, or do you think he's going to get a roommate? Do you have any top contenders for, like, B Marvel characters that would make a good roommate for Modok? Oh, I got one right here, because we've already, like, haven't talked about it yet. But we got.
00:22:37
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My guy, who had the best cameo ever, Mr. Fin Fang Foom, with his Fin Fang Farm to Table restaurant. It was only like a two second little bit, but when I saw him three in the morning, I screamed like, yes! Fin Fang Foom is in the show! So good. So good. I would love to see him move in with Fin Fang Foom and have a little odd couple type of situation with that.
00:23:02
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Yeah. That makes it super cool. He could live above the restaurant, you know? Like have a little apartment above the Fin Fang Farm to Table. I have a feeling we're gonna just get like the classic
00:23:15
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you know, single dad like divorcee storyline of just like him trying to make it in the world on his own. And like having a hard time doing that juxtaposed against him still trying to like find value in his work, which in the fact that that work is like wanting to kill Iron Man is pretty great.
00:23:35
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When you just mentioned that in my head literally popped up like a an 80s montage opening theme to a TV show where he's trying to juxtapose the two and there's like some catchy little theme song going on and it's him like trying to Like make dinner and and feed the kids at the same time. Nothing's going right for him and he just seems like Yeah, it's and that's very funny especially like if he's used to her taking care of the house like him
00:24:04
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going to work to fight the Avengers and that's the easy part of his day. You know what I mean? And then he comes home and has to like, whatever, they're not young enough to change diapers, but like, you know, deal with moody teens and stuff. Like, that's a very funny setup. I love it. Well, we still got the whole Bar Mitzvah outfit storyline that we, I'm sure, will probably be a running gag for a while with Lou, the son, where he hasn't found anything to wear to his Bar Mitzvah yet.
00:24:34
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, that makes, I mean, obviously they introduced the family, um, right out the gate, so they're going to be major players, but I do kind of wonder, is he going to be trying to win them back? Or is he going to be, are we going to see like Modok try to date and move on? Because he also seems like the kind of character that would try to like, in his own machinations, he thinks the way to win Jodie bag is like, make her jealous. Are we going to get that? You know?
00:24:59
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I absolutely think there will be times where he tries to do things like that, like exactly what you're talking about. But I have a feeling the arc of the series will be him learning the value of his family and learning some humility and not taking his own stuff as more important than his family.
00:25:23
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I think that's what the arc will be. I hope anyway. I think that sounds fun. Or it sounds both fun and it sounds like it could make me cry, which is my favorite shit. When I'm laughing, laughing, laughing, and then suddenly it turns on a dime and I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't even care about Modoc this much.
00:25:44
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And that's another credit to the animators. I mean, as simplistic as the designs are, they do a great job with the facial animations, especially on Modok. There's so much detail. And I love the fact that compared to the other characters, you can actually see the individual pieces of what makes up his face. He has that line on his cheekbones that you can see how much his mouth has to move, that they have to be two separate parts. Mandible has been one of my go-to words here lately. But yeah, the Mandibles are getting a lot of action. I love that show, Mandible-or-ian.
00:26:14
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And of all, this isn't quite this. I mean, it's like this, but a little bit more comedic. It has almost the same design of it. So. Yeah. Did you buy that off Craigslist? Yeah, I guess. They all spat on it before.
00:26:29
Speaker
What's funny is the Fin Fang Foom and the Modok were not just put here for the use on this thing. These guys are always with an arm reach on my desk. So if we get a Mojo showing up in this episode, then I'll have the triumphant just sitting right here. That could be a roommate option. That could be a roommate option. A Mojo. Mojo, Modok, and Fin, oh my god. Dude, this is a show tailor made for you, BBK. Hello. I think so. So far. I mean, plus it's good. So. Yeah, I'm digging it.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, it was just the first episode out of the gate, and it was a relatively short episode. So there's no reason for us to spend too, too much time on it. But one other thing that I wanted to bring up in terms of just laugh out loud moments was Cheddar Daddy. Oh, yeah. It's a thing. Not trying to make that a thing. Do you guys have other standout moments you want to bring up?
00:27:27
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I love one of the first Iron Man lines when he's apparently watching the British bake off in his helmet, and he's like, that concept is just funny. He's like, are you watching the British bake off in your helmet? No, I'm savoring it. I'm not binging it, I'm savoring it. No more two episodes a day, maybe three. And then he heard when Modok gets like blasted out of the sky, you could hear him yell who the winner was of that season. So he like totally spoiled it for him.
00:27:56
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I'm assuming I never watched the show, but he yells something to Amy like, Ben, something won! Oh, that's great. That's great. I liked Boot Envy a lot. Then he was mad at Monica, and Monica was mad at him. It's like, I see what this is. This is Boot Envy. There's just so much, uh...
00:28:16
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So much funny. I mean, there was a few of the ones we already mentioned, the laugh out loud moments. I liked the one when they were intercutting when they're at the house brainstorming and what the guy's name from Crumble came and talked to him in the background. Austin. Austin, you can see Lou with the other AIM agents. He's sort of like creating around in one of his outfits. Like he's doing like a, it's almost like a conga line or something because he's trying to find the fabric that he could make his bar mitzvah outfit out of.
00:28:45
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Just little things of detail in the background made me laugh, too. Oh, I didn't see that. That's great. That's wonderful. Probably one of my favorite lines in the whole thing is like, Modoc will fix this. Modoc will save you all. We're under attack. Die for me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:29:09
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When now, nine to go. I'm actually excited to watch the, uh, this is one of those shows that I'm sort of glad is available all at once. So you could go in, you don't have to wait for it. You could watch it on your own time. So I think I might actually, if I get some free time this weekend, uh, catch two, three, four, maybe I always say that I'll, I'll watch two episodes. The next thing you know, it's like, here's another show you watch. Cause you just ran through the whole thing. Okay. Yeah.
00:29:35
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Well, BVK, I know you were kind of keeping an eye on the stream there as far as feedback goes. Did we get any interesting things happening in that regard? We got some over on YouTube. Drew Gretsch says, really loved the first three episodes. So he watched more than what we were talking about. It's a fun show that reminds him of Deadpool. It's the most Marvel and least Marvel thing they've ever done. And he loves the animation. And he hopes the show goes on for a few years, which
00:30:02
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I can see them maybe doing this as a standalone thing. Like we didn't mention at the beginning when they opened the credits of the show, it just said Marvel, it didn't say Marvel Studios, so we know that it's not in the MCU proper, but not that anyone really thought it was going to be, but it's still, just because it's not part of the MCU doesn't mean that it's not gonna be any good.
00:30:28
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Yeah, it's it's uh, we got I think it was from drew as well in that case, too But we got some similar feedback on invincible and uh in the case of invincible It's like the comic has already run its course so we know that there's like a a set story there and we know I think we kind of said there that we we appreciate when a a show knows when to stop so
00:30:53
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rather than just trying to milk it so in that regard as long as they continue to have like compelling stories and they can balance the comedy with the the funny action and the the heartfelt through lines like yeah yeah keep it going as long as possible but don't let it sacrifice the quality I don't want it to be you know it doesn't need to be the flagship show for for Hulu or anything like that I hope it's successful but
00:31:16
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Exactly. So then over on the Twitch stream, we had already mentioned that Matthew Fox said it reminded him a lot of the Harley Quinn TV show, the mix of mundane office antics and a supervillain HQ ridiculously over the top violence and bouncing between an actual story and straight up gags and skits. So if you find that good balance and it works, you know, Harley Quinn is a good example too that does that a lot where it's the main overarching storyline and then just a whole bunch of ridiculousness that
00:31:42
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cuts in between it because even with this show there's a lot of laughs but there's a lot of it. It's serious at some times too. Right. And that shows on its third season, right? Yeah, the third season will be coming up soon I think they've done too. Also on the chat, Catherine Ray when we were talking about the Iron Man said that she didn't think that Jon Hamm was actually trying to do an RG impression. Okay. Which she was happy about, happy to have some differentiation in the character. Interesting. And she also loved all the violence, bring on the ketchup blood.
00:32:14
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I thought I caught a little bit of an inflection that was trying to sound like RDJ, but maybe that was just me. Maybe it's my bias. It could, even with the recent stuff on Disney Plus or Disney XD with the Spider-Man show and the Avengers show that was on the character of Iron Man, or actually Tony Stark, always has a little bit of that RDJ, but there's enough to it to where you can tell that it's an influence, but not a straight up mimic of
Tech Bro Antagonist Discussion
00:32:40
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it.
00:32:40
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Yeah, that's how I felt about the Jon Hamm. He was a fast-talking jokester, but I feel like that's about as far as it felt like RDJ to me. He felt like Jon Hamm, but trying to play that I'm-too-smart-for-the-room fast-talking guy.
00:32:58
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you know, that is very much, I don't know how much that is Tony Stark from comics or how much that is RDJ having taken over the role so for so long and it being the only one we all know now, you know, that is Iron Man to us. Exactly.
00:33:14
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We got one more in the chat, and it's Matthew Fox again. He's just dealing with Austin. I feel like Austin feels more evil because he actually exists. None of us have to deal with Hubbard's hair laser head people, but the tech bro asshole can't stop talking about annoying stuff, and he represents the tech companies that can feel so invasive, he's totally someone we can hate.
00:33:36
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Yeah. It's also the banality of evil. He doesn't care about, or he's indifferent to evil. He even says at one point, just make me this tablet. Kill all the Iron Mans in your spare time you want to, but I need this tablet. So he doesn't care about the evil he's bringing on the world or funding. He's just like, let's do this. So in that respect, he was pretty evil. But instead of wanting to be evil, he's just like,
00:34:04
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a lot more realistic evil, which is like just disregarding how your actions affect others. Right. And he does have a sort of vibe we were talking about. I can't remember what his name was, the guy that was in charge of Hooley on Silicon Valley. Kevin Belson. It has that same kind of vibe, but I mean, Kevin Belson was even more of an asshole. At least Austin here has a front of him being like the cool dude guy, but has that same type of inflection of character.
00:34:33
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Right. Totally. Yeah. Well, I think that'll probably do it for the discussion on MODOK here, but as I've stated, definitely excited to see some more and have more discussions on that. And hopefully you guys can participate in those. I know Jeff's excited to hop on.
00:34:53
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Definitely looking forward to having Zuhair back on the conversation. But just one of the housekeeping things here. I definitely appreciate all the support we've gotten as a new show. Thank you guys for all the five star reviews that we've gotten. We did have our contest that we were doing in partnership with our network here. And they actually announced the winner on a stream earlier this week. And that person was KL Bucks. So Matt, at this point in time, you have not heard from them yet, correct?
00:35:18
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They may have, but I haven't seen it yet. So if you have not contacted us yet, shoot us a message at MCUcast.com would be the easiest way for me to hopefully see it. I'm a little behind on the shirts. The free shirts, I tend to batch them and send them all at once.
00:35:34
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And because we had some other merch issues earlier this season, I've got a lot to send. And I'm going to start sending them today. I'm going to send at least one today because one person has told me their child is waiting on the shirt. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm a bad podcaster.
00:35:55
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You are a mental organism designed only for casting. That's true. Only for casting. This merch thing is not my deal. It's not only for casting.
00:36:06
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Well, for the Animation Deliberation Podcast, if you want to send us feedback, the best place to do that is animationdeliberationpodcast.gmail.com. And that t-shirt contest we were doing is one of the benefits of being a part of this network. And having these two great guys on to have this conversation is another benefit of that. So go to strandedpanda.com for all the wonderful things we're doing there.
00:36:28
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the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, the Star Wars Universe podcast, which we are partnering with concurrently here to do coverage on the Bad Batch. So continue to look forward to that on Friday mornings. 9am Central is going to be the usual time for that. And Brian, anything that you want to plug on your end?
00:36:50
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Not really. I just, uh, if you want to chat, I'm on the Stranded Panda chat a lot as a mod there, so I just come over and look for me there. Uh, like we mentioned on the last pod and even here, I haven't, don't have my own show, but I'm guessing I know almost every other one. I know that with Jay Scottie and Zuhair we've talked about, I'll be on some of the upcoming animation deliberations and we got some stuff with the, uh, the Loki show that I'll be involved with. So just, if you see me, I'm happy to chat about everything all the time. So that's about it.
00:37:19
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And Matt, not to lead the witness too much here, but you were telling me you just completed an album. Oh yes, yes. I do music. And lately I have been doing music under the moniker The Garage.
00:37:34
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And I have Marvel-related songs and Star Wars-related songs and Star Trek. I actually just finished a Star Trek double album, which I'm very... I also have MCU cast stranded panda-related songs with a steampunk douchebag about Jeff Randall. So yeah, if you like that kind of thing, check out the garage on Spotify and everywhere you get music.
Matthew Carroll's Music Inspirations
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But yes, I finished one today.
00:38:02
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And I'm very excited to get it out, but it won't be out for two months, probably, because it's got to go through the process of getting uploaded. And I'm printing CDs so that the people who actually funded the thing can get them first before it drops online and like BBK.
00:38:19
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And yeah, so I planned on having this thing done in like May of last year, and it's really been hard. But the next project is my Black Widow album, which I'm hoping to have in time for Black Widow, but that's real soon. So we'll see how that happens. And putting two out that close together is stupid, but I just want to make it. You know, I'm having fun.
00:38:40
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Yeah, I do it. The first time I mentioned this on any kind of cast, but that thing you did with the Picard making a song every episode live, that was just ridiculous. It was so cool. Thank you, man. I mean, holy, I mean, as a former musician, knowing how hard the process is,
00:38:59
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Just doing it week in and week out and having to be quality just off the first initial. It's almost like a demo take was. Exactly. Awesome. Yeah, that was that was one of the most fulfilling things. I want to do it again with something Marvel related or something possibly because I loved that. But I just haven't had with all the family stuff I've had this year. I just haven't had time to keep up with what I wanted. But I loved it. Yeah, every week the episode would drop. I'd watch it 2 a.m. I'd go to sleep for a few hours, wake up
00:39:25
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And the next morning I would like write the song, record the song, and hopefully by the end of the day, have a video up online of me like performing the song. That's super cool. With full band most of the time, which I was just like, it was, it was super fun. And that is the album that I finished yesterday. So that's the one that's like finally finished and full, cause like he, like BBK mentioned, those were demos. And then I went on anyway, I'm talking too much. The garage on Spotify. All those things. Yeah. Very excited about it.
00:39:53
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Yeah, I'm very excited for it, too. So we will look forward to that. Sweet. I think that'll bring this episode of Animation Deliberation to a close. So on behalf of Zuhair, I will say stay whelmed and stay tuned. That's T-O-O-N-E-D. Thanks, guys. Be excellent to each other. You're invited to take a vacation.
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