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Ep. 38: I love the smell of a retrofit in the morning.
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Renishaw Copies and Lathe Karma
00:00:46
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loan Machines Podcast. How are you doing today?
00:00:50
Curt
I'm doing pretty good there, sharpshooter. I like your specs.
00:00:52
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm rocking my Renishawas. ah Yeah, Renishaw from the Renishaw guys from Machine Tool Africa. I just saw them now and was like, yes.
00:00:58
Curt
Your penis shields glasses? Uh-uh.
00:01:01
jamie peacock
Well, dude, i don't know if you know about Renishaw.
00:01:05
jamie peacock
Chinese copy of Renishaw.
00:01:05
Curt
Renny Shawa?
00:01:06
Curt
No.
00:01:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, no.
00:01:08
Curt
Really?
00:01:08
jamie peacock
Legitimately, same font, called Renishaw as their branding for...
00:01:08
Curt
Oh, I like and like this.
00:01:12
jamie peacock
um
00:01:13
Curt
Weird.
00:01:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, the guys were quite offended, the Renishaw guys, because we showed them a video at Machinesville Africa.
00:01:17
Curt
weird
00:01:21
jamie peacock
But like literally same font, same same like part numbers, OMP40, but by Renishaw, which is, yeah, China being China.
00:01:29
Curt
Nice. Nice. Yeah. yeah Like pick any name. Yeah. Like oh whatever, whatever.
00:01:35
jamie peacock
yeah
00:01:36
Curt
I guess they're going to fool the people that they need to fool. I don't know. Absolutely.
00:01:39
jamie peacock
Well, yeah, yeah, they'll, yeah, exactly. Like, it's, don't know, think the the Chinese stuff's not entirely horrible, but it's the support is where those kind of companies shine.
00:01:42
Curt
Yeah,
00:01:50
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, that's, it's all about customer support.
00:01:50
Curt
absolutely. yeah Absolutely.
00:01:55
Curt
Actually, speaking of customer support, I sent out a quote for that smart lathe, that Swiss, just to see what it was.
00:02:00
jamie peacock
Yes. Yes.
00:02:02
Curt
So it came out at 49K, 49,000 US, s which is rather insane for a, yeah, like a proper, quote unquote, proper Swiss machine.
00:02:05
jamie peacock
Okay, well, it is a Swiss.
00:02:11
Curt
But yeah, like I said, you're not you're you're paying for the lack of support. or You're not paying for the support, whatever you want to see it.
00:02:15
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:02:17
Curt
So, yeah.
00:02:17
jamie peacock
um You said it was 49.
00:02:20
Curt
Yeah.
00:02:21
jamie peacock
a Yeah, that's that's about on par with what that is little bit more than the machine that they had in Machine Tool Africa from the and other company.
00:02:28
Curt
Oh, yeah?
00:02:32
jamie peacock
That was a 32 millimeter with bar feeder. But yeah, speaking of lathes, I sold a lathe, bought a lathe. It's been an interesting week. It's been interesting since Thursday because I found this lathe here.
00:02:40
Curt
So the lave karma has stayed level. Yeah.
00:02:45
jamie peacock
It stayed level for now. ah Yeah, I found a machine on Thursday. I was on site at changing our motors and drives. Speaking of, we need come back to the closed loop steppers that are retarded.
00:02:57
jamie peacock
um We'll loop back to that
Lathe Retrofitting Challenges
00:02:59
jamie peacock
a bit later. I'm just going actually make a note because it's fucking insane. um
00:03:07
jamie peacock
Anyway, yeah, so I was there and they had brought in a decal four axis horizontal machine and a Haas TL lathe. So I was like, want to see this TL lathe. I want to see where it's from and what part.
00:03:19
jamie peacock
Might have someone who's interested or buying one.
00:03:19
Curt
Oh,
00:03:21
jamie peacock
um I walk into their other shop and I'm like, what is the story with this lathe? and they're like, Oh, no, we bought it. The batteries weren't changed or parameters got lost at some point.
00:03:33
jamie peacock
So it just got unplugged and put in a corner. Machine still in good condition, and or pretty good condition.
00:03:37
Curt
um well
00:03:39
jamie peacock
I was there today and pulling some covers back. um I'm gonna gut the FNUC controls out of it and servos can probably sell the server amplifiers for more than I'm paying for for the machine.
00:03:51
Curt
yeah Yeah, I bet, because i was even when I was retrofitting my hard inch, buying the amps was the most expensive, yeah.
00:03:53
jamie peacock
It's working, they are working. They just Yeah, so they don't have that. Yeah, the parameters are wiped. So the amplifier still work, the servos still work, the controller still works, just has no parameters on it.
00:04:09
jamie peacock
um So I'm going to get that out. I've reached out to a few local for Nook guys, I'd like just make me an offer. Like you can pick it up at a steal. I don't really care any money I recoup is money I recoup on the budget of the project.
00:04:21
jamie peacock
So I don't, I don't want to have to list the stuff on eBay myself.
00:04:22
Curt
And this is a...
00:04:27
Curt
No, totally. And this is a lathe you just like magically found? Like, this isn't the one you were so sussing out with that guy in the back wings.
00:04:32
jamie peacock
No, no.
00:04:34
Curt
Okay, this is when you just came across it?
00:04:34
jamie peacock
No, no, that one got sold. ah Yeah, this so this is from the same people I bought the Emco from.
00:04:36
Curt
Okay.
00:04:39
jamie peacock
So I've done some work for them and I bought the Emco from them.
00:04:39
Curt
um Okay.
00:04:43
jamie peacock
Retrofitted the machine in January, but we reused the motors that were on the machine. And I think the the permanent magnets got demagnetized over time. It's what looks to be a 12 Newton meter stepper, except you grab the handle like gently and it stops.
00:04:58
jamie peacock
So, yeah, I was like, you need to replace these motors. So they paid me to put closed-loop steppers on it. So I was there on Thursday doing that. And then, have yeah you, well, you haven't really played with closed-loop steppers, but yeah, they're not meant to skip steps.
00:05:14
Curt
Yeah. and all close yeah
00:05:15
jamie peacock
That's the whole point.
00:05:16
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:05:16
jamie peacock
So guess what the, I think it's the HPS s eight sixty h drives do.
00:05:24
Curt
What's that?
00:05:24
jamie peacock
They power on, they twitch the motor.
00:05:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:26
jamie peacock
If they don't get the correct encoder feedback, they ignore the encoder and run an open loop mode.
00:05:31
Curt
Oh, that's useful.
00:05:32
jamie peacock
So then they don't fault if they fucking pick up an error.
00:05:35
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:36
jamie peacock
It's like, And then yeah doing a bunch of reading, trying to find manuals, trying to figure out, it's like, oh, no, it's if there's an encoder issue, it's just right. I'm like, no, the whole point is if it skips a step, it must alarm out. So I've got replacement drives on order.
00:05:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:48
jamie peacock
I'll just reuse the motors and just put new drives on. The stupid ones, the HHSP 86 Hs, not 860 Hs, and that should solve the problem. But yeah, insane.
00:05:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:06:00
jamie peacock
I took me, like I went there, I was there on Thursday, ran into that issue, messed around for a bit, discovered the lathe, then went back on Friday to go try some other fixes, like open the back of the motor, check the encoder wiring to just make sure it's plugged in properly, seems to be plugged in properly, basically tried all o um versions of the A and B signals to just see if it would fix itself.
00:06:26
jamie peacock
And then measured, took some more pictures of the lathe and then realized I don't have accurate measurements of the lathe. So was there again this morning to go measure things again and show Danica the lathe. And then I pulled back one of the way covers and some of the lube lines are broken, which is a bit annoying.
00:06:40
jamie peacock
But I was going to redo them anyway.
00:06:42
Curt
Yeah, I'd say probably check all that anyways.
00:06:43
jamie peacock
Like there's, yeah, I wasn't going to leave it alone. But yeah, the ways, it's it's boxway lathe, there's nowhere. Like I can't see anywhere on it.
00:06:55
jamie peacock
There's no grooves on insert or any shit like that. The ball screws look to be in really good condition. So yeah, I think might have got myself still got a kitsagawa collared chuck on it. I looked that up.
00:06:55
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:07:06
jamie peacock
and That's worth more than the machine, more than what I'm paying for for the team just for the collar chuck.
00:07:09
Curt
Nice.
00:07:11
jamie peacock
um So I got the thing that I got myself a killer deal there. And it comes with bar feeder, which I have no way to put.
00:07:15
Curt
Nice. And does it... Ooh. How big a bar feeder?
00:07:20
jamie peacock
Looks like a four foot bar feeder.
00:07:22
Curt
Oh, I want one of those.
00:07:23
jamie peacock
so
00:07:24
Curt
I want just a little baby one.
00:07:24
jamie peacock
So it's just going to get put somewhere for now and stored until I have space for it. I'm busy trying to figure out how to rearrange the workshop because everything needs to move, like everything.
00:07:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:07:36
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:07:37
jamie peacock
ah em And I need to get rid of a table.
00:07:39
Curt
is it ah Is it like a turret lathe? like ah
00:07:42
jamie peacock
Ganglade.
00:07:43
Curt
Ganglite? Okay, cool. Nice.
00:07:44
jamie peacock
For now.
00:07:46
Curt
For now.
00:07:47
jamie peacock
For now, the retrofit, I've already laid out all the IO for it and I'm leaving provision for the EMCO style turret controls. So if I want to build a turret, I can build a turret and all the IO is there already.
00:07:54
Curt
ah Okay, okay.
00:07:59
Curt
is it Is it big enough? Like, is the travel long enough for, like, gang use for you? Like, yeah.
00:08:04
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, it'll be fine. So I'm planning one of my things is doing a is doing a Lang gang plate.
00:08:06
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:08:09
jamie peacock
So that was Norman's idea.
00:08:10
Curt
A land gang?
00:08:10
jamie peacock
he Yeah, he mentioned it to me on Friday. He's always wanted to make a gang block on a Lang plate.
00:08:14
Curt
It's a good idea.
00:08:16
jamie peacock
Like you drop it and it repeats. So I like, damn it. So what I'm going to do is my recurring work, I'm going to spend a little bit more time and effort and make proper gang blocks with just those tools that I drop onto the Lang block. Once all those tool sets are set, I can touch off the first tool and know that the rest are in the right place.
00:08:34
jamie peacock
So it makes change over quick, quick.
00:08:34
Curt
That's a good idea. Yeah.
00:08:36
jamie peacock
and It requires a little bit more front end work to get everything properly designed and made because obviously your Udrill is longer than whatever else you've got in there. you like you want to set them all that they're co-planar.
00:08:50
jamie peacock
So the tips of the tools are all co-planar. um A little bit of planning and forethought and that's not super hard to do.
00:08:52
Curt
Right, right.
00:08:56
jamie peacock
And if I make those blocks out of 70, 75, they'll last long enough that I'm not too concerned.
00:08:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:09:04
jamie peacock
But yeah, quite exciting.
00:09:04
Curt
Yeah, no doubt. yeah
00:09:06
jamie peacock
It's also got the world's biggest cabinets.
00:09:07
Curt
That's awesome.
00:09:09
jamie peacock
I'm considering just using it as a fridge because it's got a chiller on it and just fucking use it as a fridge. Like there's so much extra space. It's not even funny. ah We're there today and I was looking, i'm like, okay, cool. I ripped these drives out.
00:09:22
jamie peacock
I'm going to put all the high voltage stuff right at the back. And then there's a cordon door section where the relay module was from the phoneookt controller. I'm literally going put my controller in there so that it's got some separation.
00:09:32
jamie peacock
and then I've still got space, like just open space in the cabinets. But it's not worth ripping the cabinet off and then buying another cabinet.
00:09:39
Curt
and
00:09:42
jamie peacock
Like i' as well leave it there.
00:09:45
Curt
And maybe you said, is that replacing your Emco or Bertha?
00:09:48
jamie peacock
Bertha.
00:09:49
Curt
OK, OK.
00:09:50
jamie peacock
So Bertha, ah so you remember the lathe module that I was, ah that I've been making since February that bolts onto a manual lathe and converts it to a c yeahp
00:09:51
Curt
I knew that was on the way out.
00:09:58
Curt
The Lathe Munch. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:02
jamie peacock
we've got Bertha got sold to that customer. Because I haven't finished that yet.
00:10:05
Curt
Oh, sick. OK. Nice.
00:10:07
jamie peacock
And I was like, hey, come talk to me. Bertha's for sale. Because he said to me, if I ever sell Bertha, must let him know. And we discussed a price back then.
00:10:13
Curt
and Okay.
00:10:14
jamie peacock
And yeah, Bertha's going out the door for a bit more, well, a lot more than I put into her. But we don't count labor. So yeah, as it as it all stands, I should should come out of it in the positive after retrofitting the new lathe.
00:10:28
Curt
Nice.
00:10:29
jamie peacock
So yeah, freaking bonus.
PC Building and Cooling Dilemmas
00:10:31
Curt
Sick, yeah. And you were saying Bertha's showing like a little bit of wear, so...
00:10:31
jamie peacock
But yeah.
00:10:34
jamie peacock
A little bit weird. So the guy was here and he's like, i e he was asking a bunch of questions about the machine. just trying to make sure I'm not trying to sell my shit to him. I'm like, no, no, dude, I'm selling you this because when I retrofitted, I did it on a super tight budget and like the spindle motor.
00:10:42
Curt
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:10:48
jamie peacock
needs to be bigger on this machine. I didn't have the budget to do it. It works. It's perfectly functional. It's made thousands of parts. It just takes too long to spin up and down. And there's just small things.
00:10:58
Curt
right
00:10:59
jamie peacock
want a smaller lathe. I don't need a machine that can swing 300 with only a three kilowatt spindle. Like,
00:11:06
Curt
yeah
00:11:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's kind of dumb. And he was like, could he replace the driver? Yeah, by all means, take the machine, use it. If you've got the funds, buy the driving motor, I'll come, I'll integrate it for you. I don't mind.
00:11:17
jamie peacock
Like, that's relatively simple. So yeah, had a time here. And then he was like, is there any questions that he hasn't asked? he hasn't asked And I was like, Yeah, but the big one is why are you selling the machine? Like, that's always the thing you need to ask the guys like, why you selling the machine?
00:11:34
jamie peacock
Is it because it isn't working for you? Is it because it's a hot piece of garbage? Like, what is the reason for selling? And yeah, i was I'm selling it because I want something different board. What's a new machine?
00:11:44
Curt
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
00:11:45
jamie peacock
I've been wanting to replace Bertha for like a year. the The big issue with Bertha is one of our production jobs that we run, um it requires Danica to stand there for eight hours a day.
00:11:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:55
jamie peacock
And in that we can do 120 pieces. And the reason that we run into that limit is I can't push hard enough to break a chip. So don't have the RPM and I don't have the enough horsepower to actually break a chip reliably.
00:12:07
jamie peacock
So I end up with these strings and then you've got to clear them every two or three parts. um Now, hopefully, well, pretty certainly, we will be able to run that nearly three times as hard because it's a 5.5 kilowatt servo on the spindle and we'll be able to actually break a chip.
00:12:25
jamie peacock
So yeah, we should be able to run it auto automatically.
00:12:25
Curt
Nice, nice.
00:12:28
Curt
Sick. Cool.
00:12:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's the plan at least.
00:12:29
Curt
That's good, man.
00:12:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's it's exciting as hell.
00:12:31
Curt
Yeah.
00:12:32
jamie peacock
um Yeah, so I'm reusing the Finuc servo motor that's on the spindle.
00:12:39
jamie peacock
I pulled the cover, took a picture of the Finuc servo motor, sent a picture to my mates who also does retrofits the side of the world. And i was like, okay what VFD do I need to run this? Because i know he's done this. He's run Finuc motors on VFDs before.
00:12:50
Curt
Okay, I see you mean.
00:12:50
jamie peacock
and it he's like, oh, no, you just needed a 4kW VFD.
00:12:51
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:54
jamie peacock
I'm like, sweet. I have one on my friend's bandsaw.
00:12:58
jamie peacock
I'm going to probably put a 5.5kW VFD on it because it is a 3.7-5.5, so I'm just going to put the bigger one on. Rather run on the... ah but Yeah, there's there's trade-offs because now you can pull more amps. So, yeah, we will see.
00:12:58
Curt
Cool.
00:13:14
jamie peacock
I have the 4kW VFD already, so I'm going to go fetch it from my friend and see how that how that performs.
00:13:14
Curt
ah
00:13:20
jamie peacock
And then if it's taking too long, I'll put a 5.5kW VFD on it.
00:13:26
Curt
Nice. No, I think I think it'd be a good, a good fit for your, for your work you're doing.
00:13:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:29
Curt
Like you said, no, no use spinning up all the iron if you don't, you're not making use of it.
00:13:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:32
jamie peacock
Well, exactly. This thing's spindle is probably half the weight.
00:13:36
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:36
jamie peacock
Like, the actual spindle itself is probably about half the weight.
00:13:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:13:39
jamie peacock
um Yeah, and it's cool. I can do 100 millimeter max turning to diameter, allegedly. call bullshit. It's 300 because that's when you start hitting the way cover. um Like that that is the actual clearance is to the way cover, not to the table.
00:13:54
jamie peacock
you just hang your tool off the front.
00:13:56
Curt
Right, right, yeah.
00:13:56
jamie peacock
um So in a pinch, I can do dumb things. I'm going to probably buy a five inch hydraulic chuck for it as well that I can swap between because I do need a hydraulic chuck for some of the stuff I do.
00:14:07
jamie peacock
I do some 80 by 80 or 80 diameter by 80 long pieces every now and again. And it'll be nice to have a, I'll actually want a manual chuck, but getting a... A2-5 manual chuck is not the easiest thing to come across.
00:14:23
Curt
Yeah, fair, fair.
00:14:24
jamie peacock
So, yeah, might find an adapter player and just go to the harbor freight dogs and buy a cheap chuck. Although I do like bolt-on jaws.
00:14:30
Curt
yeah
00:14:31
jamie peacock
They are nice. Because then you can do soft jaws. But anyway, that's ah that's the endeavor there.
00:14:34
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:36
jamie peacock
Been planning all the Linux stuff. we'll die We'll come back to discussing EtherCAT and Step and Direction later. What's been going on in your world? Because I've been talking now for 15 minutes.
00:14:44
Curt
ah
00:14:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:47
Curt
I have been ah logging way too much time into ah this PC build that I'm working on. I've just been like geeking out on that stupid hardcore. I ordered all the parts.
00:14:58
Curt
They're already coming to me and I'm still learning, which is always a bad idea.
00:14:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:02
Curt
Like do the research first, then order parts.
00:15:02
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:15:05
Curt
Cause order parts, then do research, you're like, Oh shit, I've made grave mistakes. Not grave mistakes, but like,
00:15:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:11
Curt
Yeah, I like, i I realized, like I bought the Ryzen 9 CPU, which is just so overkill for what I want to do. um And if, like if you're just gaming, don't even worry about the Ryzen 9 series because like they're just, you don't need them.
00:15:23
jamie peacock
Oh, father-son. Yeah.
00:15:25
Curt
they're Like, there's no there's no reason to have, like, 12, 16 cores at, like, 5.4 gigahertz.
00:15:31
jamie peacock
No. Yeah.
00:15:32
Curt
or like it But if you're doing rendering, like, I like to sometimes mess around with Blender and ah Fusion. And that's where all the cores start coming into play. Where, like, they're like, okay, we'll use all 12 of your cores to do renders. um And like video processing, that's that's where that stuff comes in.
00:15:45
Curt
So that's why I bought it. But it also means when I read the spec sheet, I'm like, oh, it's 170 watt output CPU. So I'll just get a cooler that can cool 170 watts.
00:15:54
jamie peacock
yeah
00:15:54
Curt
And it's like, no, it's 170 watts like when it's just chugging along. But like Ryzen, their CPU line, basically they'll overclock until they hit their limit of temperature.
00:16:07
Curt
So they can pull like,
00:16:07
jamie peacock
They'll overclock too what their thermal headroom is.
00:16:10
Curt
So they can basically, they can almost pull what you can get out of like your motherboard AM5 socket. Like they can almost pull the maximum power out. So like, oh no. So like they'll pull 200 plus Watts if they can, which is a lot of heat to dissipate.
00:16:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:16:25
Curt
So i'm like, okay, well now I have to,
00:16:25
jamie peacock
Did you order a 360 all-in-one unit, didn't you?
00:16:29
Curt
I know I had an all-in-one and then I didn't want the complication of an all-in-one. So I just bought a beefy air cooler.
00:16:35
jamie peacock
What BPA cooler did you buy?
00:16:35
Curt
um it wasn't beefy enough. It's just like, it's just like ah a tower, like a 240 millimeter fan cooler.
00:16:41
jamie peacock
Yeah, guitar cooler.
00:16:43
Curt
Yeah. It's, it's okay for 170 Watts.
00:16:46
jamie peacock
Is it a brand name one?
00:16:46
Curt
Um, but it's, uh, yeah.
00:16:47
jamie peacock
Or is it like some Hong Kong one? What is it?
00:16:50
jamie peacock
A deep cool? Okay.
00:16:50
Curt
Zed NXT or Zed NXT, um, is the one I want to, cause they match the fan.
00:16:55
Curt
Anyways, i think I'm going to buy a, yeah, I think I'm gonna end up getting like a big Nocturra or something either.
00:16:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, 100%. Gotta match the fans.
00:17:01
Curt
ah I'm either, I'm either going to get a monster, monster, monster air cooler
00:17:01
jamie peacock
Yeah. NH14 100 or whatever.
00:17:06
Curt
Yeah, or, yeah.
00:17:06
jamie peacock
No, NH14. that That is the way to go. NH14, the best cooler you can get as far as air goes. so I mean, I'm running the stock cooler on my PC in the workshop and it does the thing, but it's on the list of upgrades.
00:17:17
Curt
Yeah, I mean, well, that's the thing. is like I can get that Nocturra NH14, and I think that's $140 here or something like that, which is like the price of a cheap all-in-one water cooler.
00:17:25
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:29
jamie peacock
Except it won't leak.
00:17:29
Curt
but
00:17:31
Curt
Then you have all the pain in the ass of a water cooler. So I'm like, ah, I'll just go with a stupid large air cooler and just never worry about it again.
00:17:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:36
jamie peacock
I had a water cooling setup and a PC and then it leaked.
00:17:40
Curt
Yeah, but you had like proper, did you do like a proper, like, like you had a reservoir and everything?
00:17:40
jamie peacock
After about five years, at least.
00:17:46
jamie peacock
No, I had a reservoir.
00:17:47
Curt
Or was it?
00:17:48
jamie peacock
And then I bought all in one, cut the pipes off and shoved the pipes into the tubing.
00:17:49
Curt
Oh, I don't know.
00:17:53
jamie peacock
And it worked, dude. It was flawless for like five years or six years.
00:17:53
Curt
Okay, okay.
00:17:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:58
jamie peacock
It ended up going to my mate's house for a few months, coming back. Then one day in the workshop, I was like, what's that? Oh, shit. like One of the pipes started leaking.
00:18:08
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't,
00:18:08
jamie peacock
Even my other mate, he's got add it all in one. It leaked. He's like, that's it. He's done. Air cooler.
00:18:12
jamie peacock
If you don't need the performance, just stick to air. It's way easier.
00:18:12
Curt
yeah like i don't
00:18:16
Curt
and this thing is, like, I'm kind of on the razor edge of, like, what you can get away on air cooling, but they keep making better air coolers. So, like, and I mean, these air coolers are huge.
00:18:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:18:24
Curt
Like, it's probably eight inches by eight inches by, like, they're monster air cooler.
00:18:24
jamie peacock
yeah
00:18:29
Curt
Maybe not quite that big, but, like, they're not, like, your little, like, fist-size heat sink.
00:18:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, but then...
00:18:33
Curt
It's like, holy Christ, that thing's the size of a, you know, two, four loaves of bread.
00:18:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:18:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:38
jamie peacock
Use it to cool your fridge down.
00:18:40
Curt
Absolutely. But then you think about it, like, yeah, your graphics card's putting up 500 watts of heat, your CPU's 200 watts of heat, your power supply, like, there's a lot of heat in these units, you know, so.
00:18:44
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:18:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, well, it's a lot of compute power going on these days for silly things.
00:18:49
Curt
Anyway.
00:18:53
Curt
Yeah. So I'm just kind of nickel and diming myself to death slowly by just, like, like okay, well, and then, of course, it has to be pretty, so then I'm buying the pretty parts, and it's stupid.
00:18:58
jamie peacock
Like... Um...
00:19:01
jamie peacock
Obviously. Pretty is more important than functional.
00:19:04
Curt
Absolutely.
00:19:04
jamie peacock
um Have you seen Fusion's update now that uses your GPU for simulation?
00:19:11
Curt
I think I read a little bit about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, I need to read a bit more about it because it looks spiffy and I run into limitations very quickly. Although I don't have a graphics card in my daily driver Word PC.
00:19:19
Curt
yeah
00:19:22
jamie peacock
I'm using the Ryzen 5600G, which has onboard VEGA graphics and it works.
00:19:23
Curt
yeah
00:19:27
jamie peacock
I just, yeah, I can notice the difference on big assemblies. If I come inside and use my whopping 1050 TR versus that, I can notice the difference.
00:19:39
jamie peacock
um But generally, day to day, don't see a difference.
00:19:43
Curt
Yeah, and like i I probably should have spent a little less money on the CPU and more money on the GPU, but whatever.
00:19:48
jamie peacock
Nah, nah.
00:19:49
Curt
I mean, I bought, I think, a 4060 or 5060 Ti.
00:19:52
jamie peacock
you bought a 5060. 5060.
00:19:54
Curt
or fifty sixty ti I think 5060 Ti.
00:19:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, a decent card.
00:19:57
jamie peacock
Yeah. Good enough. Yeah.
00:19:57
Curt
Yeah, and was like the next step up was like double the price, so i'm like, it's going to be fine for my needs.
00:20:02
Curt
so
00:20:03
jamie peacock
And also computers are silly expensive these days.
00:20:04
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:07
Curt
Oh yeah. Like this is a quote, like, I mean, it's a pretty beefy build, but it was 3000 bucks Canadian, like in short order.
00:20:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:20:12
Curt
Like, and that's, I'm, I cheaped out on a lot of things. Like I could have easily pushed out over five grand without even trying.
00:20:18
jamie peacock
Well, I mean, my my PC, my mate Dave was here, his PC is a little outdated.
00:20:19
Curt
So.
00:20:23
jamie peacock
and We looked up what I paid for the PC in my office. I paid, I think it's a $550 PC. It's not even that expensive.
00:20:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:30
jamie peacock
And it does the thing.
00:20:31
Curt
No. Yeah.
00:20:31
jamie peacock
He's looking now at just replacing, I'm like, your CPU is a tad outdated. So we're looking at getting him a 5600 GT as a stopgap until he gets a decent graphics card. Because I think his card's a little older as well.
00:20:45
jamie peacock
But again, he's not doing like giant models and fusion. His PC is just getting a little bit sluggish and he's noticing it.
00:20:54
Curt
Yeah, and that's like, I'm...
00:20:54
jamie peacock
And then we're going to put Yeah, um we're going to put two 27 inch monitors on this monitors.
00:20:55
Curt
Go ahead.
00:21:00
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:21:01
Curt
Sick.
00:21:02
jamie peacock
fourteen forty p monitors
00:21:04
Curt
Well, that's thing is like, I'm trying to buy for like between the five and 10 year span of life, which is why I kind of overbuy at the start.
00:21:08
jamie peacock
yes
00:21:11
Curt
Cause like, yeah, 12 cores isn't needed right now, but in five years, it's going to be commonplace for everything. So it's like, well, just get it now.
00:21:16
jamie peacock
um I'm literally still using my gaming PC from 2011 to run my laser cutter. The only reason I stopped playing games on it was because it didn't support the anti-cheat when I was playing relatively competitively.
00:21:23
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:28
Curt
Oh.
00:21:30
jamie peacock
Because it was an AMD Phenom X6. just They were like, screw you, there's like six of these in the world, we're not supporting it. And then I went to a Ryzen 3400 that I built when I started JSpec engineering. I built that as my daily driver PC.
00:21:46
jamie peacock
And then think I sold it to someone and now I've got a R5 upstairs and 5500G downstairs.
00:21:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:54
jamie peacock
But I mean, the only reason to swap out a PC is if it's like horribly out of date.
00:21:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:22:00
Curt
Yeah. And like, I mean, my laptop that I'm currently
00:22:02
jamie peacock
And with Windows 11 being forced upon us,
00:22:06
Curt
that's That's my main thing. is like If it wasn't being forced upon us, I would probably just continue to use this laptop because like it does everything I need to do, especially with a you know the gobs of RAM I put into it and a solid-state drive.
00:22:07
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:15
Curt
but like it's going to just Fusion is going to get pissy with it. and i' just like i I rely on this.
00:22:20
jamie peacock
yeah
00:22:21
Curt
like if if mike If I can't use this, I'm hosed. And the fact that like if this computer ever blows up, I'm screwed.
00:22:24
jamie peacock
yeah
00:22:27
Curt
like I have not no other computer here that has enough power to run the things I need daily. So I'm like, that's all justify this.
00:22:31
jamie peacock
yeah
00:22:32
Curt
Yeah.
00:22:33
jamie peacock
Yeah, you can always find a way to justify it. i mean, I've got a slow-ass laptop that in a pinch will work.
00:22:36
Curt
yeah
00:22:38
jamie peacock
And when my laptop, my old work laptop died, I literally went back to my gaming PC for like two or three weeks while I built my new PC. And it'll run Fusion, no problem, but yeah, I'd prefer not to be using it as the the daily driver.
00:22:45
Curt
Right.
00:22:51
jamie peacock
It's just a bit sluggish and everything else. Because think that thing caps out at like 2.8 gigahertz.
00:22:57
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:22:57
jamie peacock
Turbo is the cause, because that back then, that was freaking insane.
00:22:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:01
jamie peacock
Now, it's like, oh, cool, weather we're just idling at like 3.2 gigahertz, and we'll boost up to 5.
00:23:01
Curt
Yep.
00:23:05
Curt
ah That blew my mind. Yeah.
00:23:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:07
Curt
That blew my mind when I realized.
00:23:08
jamie peacock
Oh, I remember Intel first crossed that. Then when they first crossed 5 gigahertz, it was like, and now the Ryzen chips just do it for fun.
00:23:17
Curt
I know. I can't believe that.
00:23:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:18
Curt
Like, I bought, yeah, last time I was looking at PCs is like three gigahertz. You're like, whoo we are spinning.
00:23:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:24
Curt
It's like, no, in five, 5.4, 5.7.
00:23:25
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:27
Curt
You're like, holy mackerel.
00:23:27
jamie peacock
Well, I mean, I think the first Intel chip to go 5 gigahertz, the guys were running it with a cryo rig.
00:23:28
Curt
It's crazy.
00:23:33
jamie peacock
So running liquid nitrogen to cool it, to get it stable enough to hover at 5 gigahertz.
00:23:33
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:38
jamie peacock
And now it's just the Ryzen chips do it like, I think I saw one going up to nearly 6 gigahertz.
00:23:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:42
jamie peacock
It's insane.
00:23:43
Curt
i ah Ridiculous.
00:23:44
jamie peacock
one Yeah.
00:23:44
Curt
Ridiculous. Like, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:46
jamie peacock
But yeah, turns out we're both computer nodes.
00:23:47
Curt
So. Oh, it's fun. It's, I mean, it kind of, it kind of pairs with our hobby because like a lot of our software is a little, is a little heavy on like computers.
00:23:50
jamie peacock
Yeah. 100%.
00:23:53
jamie peacock
ah hundred percent
00:23:56
Curt
So it's like, you're going to, you're going get something and then you just start going down the rabbit hole.
00:23:59
jamie peacock
Well, I'm still I still want to get myself RG557, except now my budget's all pointing towards retrofit for now.
00:24:07
Curt
ah Yeah, fair, fair, fair.
00:24:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, so is my YouTube history.
00:24:08
Curt
Yep.
00:24:10
jamie peacock
It was quite and entertaining.
00:24:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:12
jamie peacock
I saw thing I spent $900 on a PC for a retrofit. I'm like, are you on drugs, friend? Like you're running the Acorn software. You can do that on literally your toaster.
00:24:25
jamie peacock
i What the hell?
00:24:25
Curt
Yeah, no doubt.
00:24:25
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:26
jamie peacock
Who spends $900 on a PC for a retrofit? He spent more on retrofitting a little bench mold than I spent on Bertha, including buying Bertha. Yeah, I don't know.
00:24:35
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:38
jamie peacock
People are silly sometimes. um
00:24:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:42
jamie peacock
Yeah, so.
Workshop Precision and Community Support
00:24:43
jamie peacock
i
00:24:45
Curt
Let's see. What do we got?
00:24:46
jamie peacock
Oh, yes. Did you see I made the jang plate?
00:24:52
Curt
i Yes. Your giant one?
00:24:53
jamie peacock
The purple, yeah, the 7075 one though with the beautiful grub screws that when I tightened it to the fourth axis, it flexed and the holes don't line up.
00:24:56
Curt
Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:25:02
jamie peacock
So i literally, so if i take if I take an anchor point with exp expensive pull studs, kachunk, kachunk, pen pineapple pen, perfect fit.
00:25:02
Curt
ah Which way is it? I to figure out which way is flexing.
00:25:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:11
jamie peacock
If I bolted to the to the fourth axis, so when I designed it, I made the pockets deeper so that it would always reference the back face because that I could kind of guarantee perpendicularity or parallelism.
00:25:11
Curt
okay
00:25:21
Curt
OK.
00:25:24
jamie peacock
When I talk it down, the whole plate flexes and the holes don't line up any anymore.
00:25:29
Curt
Gotcha.
00:25:29
jamie peacock
So I've got the the big wheel of justice that was on the fourth axis.
00:25:30
Curt
Gotcha. OK.
00:25:34
jamie peacock
I need to just make a setup to throw it in the mill, mill off the nub in the middle, drill some holes, then i'm going to give it to one of my customers and say, please, surface ground this for me, parallel, and then I'll put it back on the on the fourth and drill some more holes in the jang and bolt the jang onto it.
00:25:50
Curt
Okay, i i thought you I thought on the jang plate, I thought the little grub screws were somehow flexing and not playing nice.
00:25:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:56
jamie peacock
Oh, no, no.
00:25:56
Curt
The whole plate itself bolting to your fourth axis is...
00:25:58
jamie peacock
The whole plate is actually flexing, yeah.
00:26:01
Curt
it's like And it's like, what, almost 15, 19 mils thick?
00:26:03
jamie peacock
ah It's an inch thick. No, it's an inch thick.
00:26:05
Curt
Oh, yeah, 19 mil, though. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's thick. And it's aluminum, so I mean...
00:26:09
jamie peacock
ah twenty I think it's 26 mils in total.
00:26:09
Curt
Yeah. Sure.
00:26:11
jamie peacock
It's freaking thick. And it's 7075, it's not 6082. like yeah so
00:26:16
Curt
Sure.
00:26:17
jamie peacock
Anyway, it's when I unbolted it, it all went back to normal, back together perfectly, so I'm just going to bolt it to a flat plate and that will solve that problem. Which means my fourth is not being used currently, but we will get there.
00:26:24
Curt
That's good idea.
00:26:29
Curt
or Or you can take the hacky approach that I used on my mill and just like put a bunch of JB Weld in there, bolt it lightly, let it set, and then crank it down.
00:26:39
jamie peacock
oh geez that is super savage i like it perfect perfectly matched yeah and as i'm going to put that steel plates i'm going to drill a bunch of holes to suit uh a bunch of other zero points as well so 52 millimeter and uh off the shelf like one of the silver cnc ones just find out whatever their whole pattern is when i'm poking holes poke all the holes that way when i change or whatever i do i've got i've got options
00:26:41
Curt
ten years Then ah it's going to be it'd be perfect. It'll make perfect contact.
00:27:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:27:05
Curt
That's a
00:27:05
jamie peacock
But yeah, was a little bit annoyed. Also, the front of the grub screws are starting to deform already when you tighten them, the brass ones.
00:27:11
Curt
idea. The little brass ones?
00:27:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, but that they meant to. They meant to not mather the pins. So yeah, was machining T40 Torxes with a 1mm NM.
00:27:16
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:27:20
jamie peacock
With a 1mm single flute, because that's all I have in stock currently.
00:27:20
Curt
Cute.
00:27:24
Curt
Ooh, a router boy.
00:27:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, actually, I need to order. actually need to order tomorrow because I've got a job arriving that requires a one millimeter two flute. um And I don't want it to take twice as long to do that operation. So I need to buy a new ones.
00:27:36
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:27:38
jamie peacock
Yeah, they said they want 200 things. So throw the mooring point palettes on and rock through their stuff in like a day.
00:27:44
Curt
Nice.
00:27:45
jamie peacock
It's great fun. But yeah, so I put in, I finally got around to putting the harbor into my into my machine. I was actually quite impressed with how a little, uh, disgustingness was under the old riser because that riser had been on the machine for a year and a half.
00:27:58
jamie peacock
And yeah, pretty good.
00:27:58
Curt
Ooh, yeah, yeah.
00:28:00
jamie peacock
Like there was a little bit of surface rust on the top of the chamfer of the T slots. But although other than that, it was, it was fine.
00:28:06
Curt
Okay.
00:28:09
jamie peacock
I sprayed it down with some WD-40, wiped it and yeah, table had a bit of staining, took it off with a stone quickly and yeah, pretty happy. And then put the, uh, the harbor in.
00:28:18
Curt
Did you, uh, when you put the aluminum plate down, did you have anything like, you like LPS or did you just have before?
00:28:23
jamie peacock
I'll put WD-40 between them.
00:28:26
Curt
Cool.
00:28:26
jamie peacock
Because, yeah, well, it's tool in a can.
00:28:27
Curt
Cool. Cool.
00:28:29
jamie peacock
Same shit. um
00:28:30
Curt
Okay. Yeah.
00:28:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I put that in between. I always do whatever I put anything on the table. Just as of thumb, it makes it slide nicely as well. But yeah, then I put the harbor down with the harbor link plate. The harbor link plate has got five micron tolerance between the bores and the pins.
00:28:45
jamie peacock
So they're nice and they locate.
00:28:45
Curt
Nice.
00:28:47
jamie peacock
Dropped it down, squared up that plate, took it off, and then probed all the work coordinates.
00:28:55
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:55
jamie peacock
So I have one in the middle, and then i actually I didn't post the the picture. I posted a story about it earlier. Anyway, I broke G57 today because I forgot to change to G54 before reprogramming a job.
00:29:07
jamie peacock
But luckily, on that specific dial hole, or pin i've got g57 g1 107 and sorry g507 and g508 on that one pin then the one behind it is g517 and 518 and 527 and 528 so i've got a backup on every single pin so i can just go and basically jog in place and set the position again but it lets me do
00:29:20
Curt
Yep. Nice.
00:29:28
Curt
yeah
00:29:33
jamie peacock
uh patterning and fusion by saying spacing of 10 work coordinate sets which should be pretty straightforward to do and then today i was doing stuff on five two seven g527 work offsets i was machining those ptv parts on the five inch square pallets with a million of those freaking clamps those clamps took me like two hours to machine this morning because it's 20 minutes for five and yeah had to make 25 of them
00:29:46
Curt
nice
00:29:51
Curt
Those are cute. Yeah, i like those. I like those.
00:29:58
Curt
It's a lot of them.
00:30:03
jamie peacock
But they work like magic. I was actually having failures on the other pallet that I have the expanding TPU.
00:30:06
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:30:11
jamie peacock
That was actually failing. So I'm thinking of taking those pallets and doing half the parts one way, half the parts the other way, and just reprogramming the whole thing. So I run six at a time and I've got two pallets. But I don't think I'll be able to swap the parts as fast as the machine can machine them.
00:30:22
Curt
um
00:30:27
Curt
Okay.
00:30:27
jamie peacock
Because right now running 12 op 1s and 12 op 2s, I can just manage to reload both pallets by the time it finishes.
00:30:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:30:36
Curt
Nice. I mean, yeah.
00:30:37
jamie peacock
Like, it yeah, it's quick. It's PTFE. I'll machine 50 of those for the annoying customer. So those will go off tomorrow. And then hopefully I can actually get some proper orders out of those clowns.
00:30:46
Curt
Nice. Nice, nice, nice,
00:30:47
jamie peacock
Because, yeah, they're still dragging their feet.
00:30:47
Curt
ah
00:30:50
Curt
That's good. I've seen all those on the on your machine. just like i was like, I got i gotta buye gotta to bite the bullet.
00:30:53
jamie peacock
It looks really cool.
00:30:55
Curt
It looks cool, and I'm like, I could see that being so useful.
00:30:55
jamie peacock
Well, I'll put... Yeah, the your problem I did run into two four inch vases are not a lot.
00:31:01
Curt
so
00:31:04
Curt
Oh, fair enough. And then put that on a plate.
00:31:05
jamie peacock
Yeah, so put that on a plate, a 25 millimeter plate, like a one inch thick plate.
00:31:06
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:11
jamie peacock
can't remember what the size was, but yeah, ta in and now it's not horrible, it's just it's hefty. That I think it was, I put it in the machine this morning, so I took out my self-centrings and some spaces, put that in, did one job, took it out, put my self-centrings back in for something else.
00:31:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:17
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:27
jamie peacock
I'd swapped it in and out the machine like four times today.
00:31:30
jamie peacock
But it takes all of 30 seconds to swap it in and out. Like it takes you longer to wipe the stuff down to do the swap out than to actually do the swap out.
00:31:30
Curt
Nice.
00:31:34
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:39
Curt
That's sick.
00:31:39
jamie peacock
So pretty.
00:31:40
Curt
That's good.
00:31:40
jamie peacock
Oh, but ah yes, I'll say man the harbor link plate, five micron tolerance. When I probed all the pins, they varied by up to like 40 microns in position.
00:31:48
Curt
Uh-oh.
00:31:53
jamie peacock
Well, you've got five microns of over 80 millimeters and you get out over here.
00:31:53
Curt
Why?
00:31:58
Curt
Oh, OK.
00:31:58
jamie peacock
It's over there.
00:32:00
Curt
see what you mean.
00:32:00
jamie peacock
Yeah, but that makes no difference.
00:32:01
Curt
OK, yeah.
00:32:02
jamie peacock
Like everything's machined in such a really makes no real significant difference. Like if I ever pull them off the table and i put them back on, I'll put my vases on and check my vases are tramped and adjust them accordingly.
00:32:06
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:12
jamie peacock
Because that would be the biggest concern. The rest is really inconsequential.
00:32:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:17
jamie peacock
Is most of my stuff.
00:32:17
Curt
Just a cool study in showing how a little deviation here is a big deviation out there.
00:32:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:25
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's a huge deviation out there. Like I was i was like, okay, what's what's going on? Oh, no, wait. Okay, cool. We're like three times the the distance. So like 20 micron shift is kind of well within the expected tolerance.
00:32:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:38
jamie peacock
So yeah, but I need to still make the vacuum chuck finished.
00:32:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:42
jamie peacock
So made a 380 by 380 vacuum chuck that goes on there as well, because I could.
00:32:46
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:32:48
jamie peacock
Like it'll be useful for doing plate work. So I just made one while I was at it.
00:32:52
Curt
Yeah, that's...
00:32:52
jamie peacock
As one does.
00:32:54
Curt
I never have plate work, but I also have like i have a bunch of aluminum plates. like I usually just cut whatever out of it.
00:32:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:59
Curt
It would be nice to have something where I just plop and just like use it like I used my old router in the back. like you know The old router days, I screw to the table and cut it.
00:33:05
jamie peacock
yeah
00:33:08
Curt
it's like I want something like that for my mill where i just plonk it in and be like, okay, make me a part real quick.
00:33:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:33:11
jamie peacock
Yeah. Super glue fixture.
00:33:13
Curt
That's exactly what I would do, just a giant super fixture.
00:33:13
jamie peacock
Yeah. So yeah, like I've got super glue pallets that I just haven't finished machining.
00:33:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:19
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:19
jamie peacock
I've machined the blanks, I just need to machine the super glue side, because I want to put like cool patterns and shit so the glue can run out. Because if you don't, you end up with air bubbles and shit. So you put tracks on it, that it's still got decent contact.
00:33:28
Curt
Hmm.
00:33:30
jamie peacock
But when you press it down, the glue has somewhere to go.
00:33:33
Curt
Hmm, OK.
00:33:34
jamie peacock
That makes for a much, ah much better bond.
00:33:34
Curt
OK, yeah.
00:33:39
Curt
pinter Interesting.
00:33:39
jamie peacock
But yeah, I've been playing games with the fancy anchor point setup. um
00:33:44
Curt
Yeah, it looks nice.
00:33:44
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:33:45
Curt
It looks nice.
00:33:46
jamie peacock
Let me quickly call out all of our fancy Patreons who make the wheels on the podcast go round and round.
00:33:51
Curt
Yay.
00:33:52
jamie peacock
Yeah, thank you to all the Patreons. They get the after show where we discuss fancy things. No idea what we're talking about today, but I'm sure it'll be fancy.
00:33:57
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:33:59
jamie peacock
um And then shout out to all of our top tier patrons. Jade from Benchmark20, Luke from Fabtastic, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing, EJ from Nocturnal Welding, and Jason S. um EJ, oh, AJ, don't know if you can listen to this before with intolerance that I'm on.
00:34:18
jamie peacock
But yeah, there's a surprise there for you. um I was on with intolerance on Wednesday. I'm waiting for the episode to come out. Should be quite exciting. um Very excited to see what I've had to say on the podcast.
00:34:29
jamie peacock
But yeah, Dylan and I had a nice long chat. So it should be a very interesting episode to listen to.
00:34:35
Curt
Yeah, I'm excited. Let's do it.
00:34:37
jamie peacock
Yeah. And then, oh, yes, Kurtz and i are both wearing fancy t-shirts. And if you want to pick up a fancy t-shirt for yourself, you can find that at jspeceng.com. Or you can find a link to it on the loanmachinists.com. We'll link through to the merch store and you can find the shirts that my lovely wife has designed.
00:34:56
jamie peacock
I've got a sharp as a marble shirt now.
00:34:57
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, mine are all.
00:35:00
jamie peacock
um know i think I'm going to wear that on Wednesday for the Quiz Night.
00:35:00
Curt
Mine are. Mine are.
00:35:05
Curt
Oh, yeah?
00:35:05
jamie peacock
just to rub it in that we win every week.
00:35:09
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:09
jamie peacock
I'm a little savage.
00:35:10
Curt
i I try to relegate mine to the shop because the only other place I go is daycare, and it kind of feels weird walking around with some of these shirts at daycare. So I'm like, I'll just keep these for shop shirts.
00:35:20
jamie peacock
It's super classy.
00:35:22
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:35:22
jamie peacock
but
00:35:23
Curt
yeah It's like, what is...
00:35:23
jamie peacock
I shared someone at Quiznacht comment on my Facebook shirt.
00:35:24
Curt
yeah
00:35:27
Curt
Oh, yeah?
00:35:28
jamie peacock
Yeah, I was like, yep. It was great.
00:35:31
Curt
Yeah. I got this, yeah, the G84 until she M8s, but I think I want to change it from like, because I want to change it to PeckCycle. Is that it?
00:35:38
jamie peacock
Oh, it's a G83, yeah.
00:35:38
Curt
Because G83. Let's be serious, yeah.
00:35:42
jamie peacock
I saw someone with the shirt like I'm gonna get, I'll get Danica to make a a different version of it as well.
00:35:47
Curt
Oh, yeah?
00:35:47
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, I mean, she can change it relatively easily.
00:35:51
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:51
jamie peacock
She has some plans afoot for next year, September, with regards to the shirts. Like bringing back all shirts for the month before IMTS.
00:35:56
Curt
Oh.
00:35:59
Curt
Oh, that's a good idea. And people can pick and choose.
00:36:01
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, because there's, I mean, every three months is new designs. And there's only five days of IMTS. Six days.
00:36:09
Curt
That is true. Yeah, that's true.
00:36:10
jamie peacock
Yeah. So I'm just going, my plan is to take a spare shirt every day and then just change in the bathroom quickly.
00:36:12
Curt
Five days of fun.
00:36:16
jamie peacock
Two shirts per day. Skills.
00:36:19
Curt
I'm just going to break one shirt and only wear that the whole time.
00:36:20
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:23
Curt
And ah then auction it off at the end.
00:36:25
jamie peacock
ah
00:36:27
Curt
Real IMTS sweat.
00:36:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, i flip. um So what did you do to your ID tools, Kurt?
00:36:35
Curt
um So on this... I wish I had the part behind me. I can't reach it. It's just like a little titanium part that I'm making. It actually goes in the center of this little fidget widget thing I'm making um to make it yeah to make it spin, because one thing it doesn't do is spin.
00:36:44
jamie peacock
ah with Widget Spinner. Yeah.
00:36:49
Curt
So I have bearings, and it's just an annoying part that to make. ah But it involves ah deep bore, deep in the land of diameter. it's not like It's only like half inch deep, but it's like...
00:36:59
Curt
long and small diameter um so i have to stick a boring bar way in there and it just anyways it just i didn't think about it but it just crammed up with chips like the chips couldn't come back out um so was just watching it cut on the lathe and just heard like um and i was like ah oh that's never a good sound um expensive yeah exactly so you pull out my little micro boring bar and it's just in pieces thankfully they all stayed in there so i didn't have a bunch of carbide floating around everywhere but
00:37:15
jamie peacock
Oh, expensive sounds, yeah. Yeah.
00:37:26
Curt
yeah it's just like so anyways bit pissed around with that i finally got it functioning was just like a lot of like same thing talking about like peck drilling cycles which is basically like peck turning like go internal but come out so i can pull the chips out and then keep going because i don't want to sit there and baby it um so if i just let it run five times longer than it would normally have to run but i don't have to don't have to monitor it and that's that's a win for me so uh yeah anyways i don't want to like blowing up those tools too often not not like they're expensive but
00:37:37
jamie peacock
yeah
00:37:52
jamie peacock
No, using the Micro 100 ones, eh?
00:37:55
Curt
Micro 100, yeah. yeah so i mean it's
00:37:57
jamie peacock
Yeah, okay.
00:37:57
Curt
They're not heinously expensive, but it's still $40, $50 tool. um So I just don't want to kill too many of them.
00:38:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's heinously expensive. They're like $6 tools.
00:38:05
Curt
Yeah, just a little piece of carbide. Yeah, it's not that expensive.
00:38:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm from China, $6.
00:38:08
jamie peacock
No,
00:38:08
Curt
but
00:38:09
Curt
I probably would. i just they They work so well.
00:38:11
jamie peacock
but dude, yeah, they work so well.
00:38:12
Curt
like I just...
00:38:13
jamie peacock
Don't don't even mess with it. Like, the Micro 100 stuff's really nice.
00:38:16
jamie peacock
I use peaking on the lathe.
00:38:16
Curt
Like my...
00:38:17
Curt
Yeah, I just never change it.
00:38:19
jamie peacock
I use it a hell of a lot.
00:38:21
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah?
00:38:22
jamie peacock
Yeah, because it breaks the PTFE into manageable pieces.
00:38:25
Curt
That's true.
00:38:26
jamie peacock
Because otherwise, she' just end up with the string says mom, she's like, me me me.
00:38:26
Curt
Yeah, that's true.
00:38:30
jamie peacock
It's freaking great.
00:38:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:31
jamie peacock
ah even I even used to do it in the aluminium my roughing cycle. ah
00:38:35
jamie peacock
Till I well, when I was back when I was doing 2.2 of a millimeter per rev. I was doing that. Now that I'm at point four, five, it actually breaks a chip.
00:38:35
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:43
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:47
jamie peacock
Like absolute mid savage mode.
00:38:47
Curt
Yeah, I want to... I want what the the citizens do where they do like the high frequency chip breaking.
00:38:53
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:38:54
Curt
Like when you did that, that's pretty fricking sick.
00:38:56
jamie peacock
Norman said to me he's got a he wrote something to do with the variable spindle speed to prevent resonance. He's got a couple lines of code you can pop in on your Linux since he controlled it to do that.
00:39:08
Curt
Interesting.
00:39:08
jamie peacock
That just varies the
00:39:09
Curt
Interesting.
00:39:10
jamie peacock
the um the spindle speed like a couple RPM and it prevents the buildup of resonance.
00:39:19
Curt
Well, thankfully, my hard engine has enough belts and drag in the system that it it auto varies its own spindle speed by like 50 RPMs.
00:39:24
jamie peacock
Fair enough.
00:39:27
Curt
Because, yeah, it just, it's, yeah.
00:39:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's that's one cool thing with this but this new lathe, is it is direct belt drive, like Bertha is, except I've got the OEM servo motor in it still, because I'm not stupid anymore.
00:39:42
jamie peacock
And I know better than to take it out.
00:39:42
Curt
Oh, fair.
00:39:42
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:43
jamie peacock
Like, going be able to do exciting stupid shit.
00:39:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:47
jamie peacock
I'm just busy posting a thing on Instagram, Kurt.
00:39:51
Curt
Oh, double ah well team in here.
00:39:52
jamie peacock
Yes, because I see what you've ah see what you've done in the background.
00:39:56
Curt
What have I done? haven't done anything. Oh, yeah.
00:40:00
jamie peacock
Yes, you did it.
00:40:00
Curt
You keep...
00:40:00
jamie peacock
So I just posted a picture of that quickly.
00:40:01
Curt
Yeah, yeah
00:40:03
jamie peacock
Kurt rage baiting the Lone Machinist video watches. Nice.
00:40:07
Curt
you keep calling me out for not...
00:40:08
jamie peacock
I was very excited to see you here. I'm excited that you finally done it.
00:40:10
Curt
ah for not Well, you lay the safety.
00:40:12
jamie peacock
But we're not going to say what it is.
00:40:13
Curt
won't.
00:40:14
jamie peacock
Don't say what it is.
00:40:15
jamie peacock
Make people go look at the video. Timestamp, 40 minutes in the video, you'll see it. Like they've jumped through the video as well. Um, yeah, I saw it earlier. I'm like, that's fucking great.
00:40:15
Curt
I won't i't say
00:40:26
jamie peacock
So was posting that quickly. Yeah, no dude, fucking deep holes become a real slip with, uh, with shaving, especially like task shavings where they tend to be spirally.
00:40:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:35
Curt
Yeah, exactly. It's just like a giant spring.
00:40:36
jamie peacock
Why you boring that out?
00:40:36
Curt
And then nothing happens. So yeah, whatever.
00:40:40
Curt
Log, short answer, um I don't want to change tools. don't want to change tools from the setup I have in there.
00:40:44
jamie peacock
Fair enough.
00:40:46
Curt
So um yeah.
00:40:46
jamie peacock
ah Okay, no, 100%. That is a very valid answer. Like... Censor, yeah.
00:40:52
Curt
And I also want it like i want it dead square to the threads. like if If the drill walked, I want it to be like perfect because there's going to be a long shaft coming through there and it has to make a small clearance hole.
00:40:58
jamie peacock
Sure.
00:41:04
Curt
And if it's off, it's going to wobble.
00:41:04
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:41:05
Curt
So i' was like, I want this all in lines.
00:41:05
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:07
Curt
so When in doubt, I just i i bore everything. I like rarely drill.
00:41:10
jamie peacock
You know...
00:41:10
Curt
I drill for clearance and then I bore for her finish and tolerance.
00:41:12
jamie peacock
you not ah You're not chasing cycle time. Well, you are, but not not to the extent like where you're making 30 cents on a pot.
00:41:16
Curt
Not at all.
00:41:22
jamie peacock
it's a high value pot, so you can afford to spend the cycle time.
00:41:22
Curt
No.
00:41:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:27
Curt
Yeah. Cycle time is like my last ever concern because we're, so we're talking and nothing is running right now.
00:41:30
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:32
Curt
So it's like, I got, I have time.
00:41:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:34
Curt
Yeah. I always have time.
00:41:34
jamie peacock
My mother wrote some comments about my machine standing today. I had gone out, I came back, yeah and I was programming someone.
00:41:38
Curt
Oh yeah.
00:41:40
jamie peacock
and I'm not going to have the thing sitting on while I program stuff. Like, I'd rather spend 30 minutes programming it than have the thing going pissing frickin air and idling at a kilowatt of power.
00:41:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:51
jamie peacock
Like why just let it sit off for half an hour, turn it on and then run. Because that's the only thing.
00:41:56
Curt
So she goes just walked into your shop and just chirping you about not having your machines running?
00:42:00
jamie peacock
Yes. Yeah, she's finished. She was asking about our pool motor because the bearing on the pool motor has shut the bed.
00:42:02
Curt
Oh,
00:42:08
jamie peacock
And I think it's also taken out the ceramic seal because we've been getting air in the system and we can't figure out where.
00:42:08
Curt
ah okay.
00:42:13
jamie peacock
And I think the ceramic seal and the bearing have been failing for a while. So I'm like, cool, let's put a smaller motor so we don't explode the filter because the filter says 0.75 kilowatt max.
00:42:17
Curt
Hmm.
00:42:24
jamie peacock
We've got a 1.1 kilowatt motor there. Also, it's a smaller motor, I pay less on electricity. So, haha. Um, yeah, so I've got to got a saucer motor for her now and replace the pool motor because I've got lots of time to do stupid shit like that.
00:42:39
jamie peacock
I reckon make it a fish pond, then I don't have to go anywhere to go fishing.
00:42:39
Curt
um
00:42:39
Curt
That's not a bad idea. not a bad idea.
00:42:45
jamie peacock
The day she dies, it becomes a fish pond.
00:42:48
Curt
When i and I lived out in the country,
00:42:49
jamie peacock
Literally the day she dies, I throw a koi in there.
00:42:52
Curt
I had a, well, I live in the country, grew up in the country and same thing. My stepdad, we had a pond and he stalked it, um which is awesome.
00:42:58
jamie peacock
Nice.
00:42:58
Curt
cause then he he could just fly fish on it was a big pond.
00:43:00
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:43:00
Curt
um And then, and then we had a big blue heron that got wind that we had fish in there.
00:43:04
jamie peacock
Ah, yeah.
00:43:06
Curt
And he just cleaned the pond out over the summer. It was just like, call all his friends, be like, Hey, there's a giant thing with a whole bunch of fish.
00:43:09
jamie peacock
Yep.
00:43:12
Curt
We can just go and scoop them all up. And yeah, it was cool watching them.
00:43:14
jamie peacock
There's a...
00:43:14
Curt
And we had to, we built scarecrows and everything. He's like, what doing? We just, he would just land on the scarecrows. Like, I know what's up. Bastard.
00:43:20
jamie peacock
There's a YouTube channel, Bama Bass. So it builds a five-acre pond on a farm, and it's trying to grow monster bass in there, and he's got some blue herrings that come around every now and again.
00:43:25
Curt
Yep, yep, yep.
00:43:30
jamie peacock
They're very interesting to watch. Actually, didn't put a video out today. Normally, he puts her a Monday monday video. um It's part of my Monday routine. And yeah, like his whole thing of growing and he put rainbow trout in and they just totally destroyed the, um, their bait fish population.
00:43:47
jamie peacock
And you actually can see cause he's logging the fish's weight, those are all tagged. Um, you can see that six months where those fish were there, where they the rainbow trout, all the fish lost weight cause there wasn't enough food.
00:43:58
jamie peacock
Like very, very interesting to to see it in the longer term.
00:43:58
Curt
Interesting.
00:44:02
jamie peacock
Like he's three or four years in now.
00:44:03
Curt
Right.
00:44:04
jamie peacock
And yeah he's got some monsters in there, but he's also prioritizing giant fish over lots of fish. So like they'll put a call out to their subscribers, hey, anyone wants fish?
00:44:09
Curt
Sure. Yeah. Right.
00:44:14
jamie peacock
If you're nearby, send me a message. We are going to be electroshocking and culling. So we're putting them in cages, come and fetch, take them to your own pond if you want them.
00:44:24
Curt
right Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:25
jamie peacock
Yeah, to keep the the population in check.
00:44:28
Curt
Yeah, yeah, it was fun.
00:44:29
jamie peacock
It's very interesting, like whole ecosystem story. Speaking of fishing, I tried to get a piece of plywood today for my boat. So my brother-in-law needed to borrow my ah truck to go fetch piece of ceiling board because he's renovating a house.
00:44:41
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:44:43
jamie peacock
So i was like, okay, if you put that on the back of the truck, it's going to get broken. I need a sheet of plywood. So I sent Danica a link. I'm like, just take the take the truck, go with your brother, go buy the stuff that he needs and go buy me a sheet of plywood.
00:44:56
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:44:56
jamie peacock
12 millimeter plywood. She gets back here, I look at this, I'm like, that doesn't look like the picture. Walk around to the back, no, 18 millimeter plywood, which is more expensive. And they charged me for the thin one. So I'm not gonna complain.
00:45:08
jamie peacock
But yeah, a little bit slightly annoyed, because I actually wanted to work on my boat, not build shelves in my workshop.
00:45:08
Curt
Sure.
00:45:14
jamie peacock
So now I've got to go back and buy another sheet of plywood, so that I can actually work on my boat because I want to get that sorted because we're now effectively in bass season already.
00:45:15
Curt
Hmm.
00:45:23
Curt
Oh, the thicker one won't work for your fear your needs?
00:45:25
jamie peacock
It'll be too heavy. It's more than it needs to be. So I'll get the other one and then, yeah, it's a bit lighter, bit easier to cut.
00:45:28
Curt
and okay. Okay.
00:45:32
jamie peacock
ah The thicker one I need for shelves anyway. So I'm going to cut it into shelf pieces for the workshop because I'm on a crusade to put shelves against the wall, except I never managed to find time to do so.
00:45:35
Curt
Oh.
00:45:43
Curt
Weird.
00:45:43
jamie peacock
Because, yeah, very strange. Customers want me to do work and they give me money and then expect me to do work. It's absurd.
00:45:51
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:52
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, actually, ah tomorrow is going to be a busy day.
00:45:52
Curt
and
00:45:54
jamie peacock
I've got a lot to get done. I was making dovetail fixtures this afternoon. no I need to now turn them over, deck the backs off, then put them on their side, slit them with a slitting saw. And then I've got these little 60 by 60 millimeter dovetail fixtures that have a dovetail on each side, designed for running like 20 millimeter square stock, where slip the parts off from the outsides.
00:46:14
Curt
Okay, yeah.
00:46:15
jamie peacock
so I can get right up to it with the slitting saw without crashing. um So I'm making making two of two sets of those quickly. And then I had to come make dinner because my wife decided to kick a cactus.
00:46:26
Curt
Yeah, that's less than ideal.
00:46:27
jamie peacock
Yeah, while moving sheets of plywood.
00:46:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:29
jamie peacock
That's why she did She had the plywood and she stood on it and then got a fright and stomped. And yeah, I had to dig it out of her feet.
00:46:36
jamie peacock
It was lots of fun. um
00:46:36
Curt
Uh...
00:46:38
Curt
Uh...
00:46:39
jamie peacock
But yeah, anyway, I'm now trying to figure out how to rework my workshop's layout. which is not as easy as Norman put it on the Taps and Patience discord.
00:46:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:49
jamie peacock
i um My workshop is a five pound bag with 10 pounds of crap in it. He's yeah, now it's going to be a five pound bag with 12 pounds crap. I'm like, incorrect. I'm getting rid of the big lady. It's going to be a five pound bag with nine pounds of shit in it.
00:47:03
jamie peacock
We're moving in the right direction. Um, yeah, but like there's a table that I just need to straight up get out of the workshop. It's where my grinders are. Our build stands for the grinders.
00:47:14
jamie peacock
The table is just, it's too big. It eats it's 800 millimeters deep and it's 2.4 meters long. I can't put it anywhere. It's just, it's too big and too in the way.
00:47:23
Curt
It amazes me the like quality of stuff that you can build in your shop with the amount of shit that you have everywhere. Like I'm, I'm pretty OCD.
00:47:29
jamie peacock
Stuff.
00:47:32
Curt
Like I do not like things and I see your videos and they just, they make me rage and you make great stuff.
00:47:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:47:39
Curt
So it's like, it blows my mind.
00:47:39
jamie peacock
yeah
00:47:40
Curt
Cause like most people that, you know, have like a lot of stuff around there, and they make they make garbage, but you make good stuff. was like, Hey, if it works for your brain, roll with it.
00:47:47
jamie peacock
so
00:47:49
Curt
Like,
00:47:49
jamie peacock
That's the thing. It's very much more like even behind me upstairs here. Dylan saw the the cricket. um This is Danica's upstairs worker. It looks like fucking Etsy took a shit. There's arts and crafts stuff everywhere, but it's upstairs. So i only see it when it comes to the computer.
00:48:03
jamie peacock
She can leave it in a fucking mess. I don't care because she's the same. Like, We both tend to be a tad on the ADHD side and finish a project and leave shit where it is. Like I need to make a big sign for the workshop.
00:48:12
Curt
and
00:48:14
jamie peacock
Don't put it down, put it away. Because I'm renowned. like i I get annoyed myself when I do it while I'm doing it. I'll go grab the 13 spanner from the mill because I know where it is. I'll go work with it on the lathe and then I won't go put it back.
00:48:24
Curt
Right.
00:48:27
jamie peacock
I'll leave it at the lathe. Then I'll be at the mill.
00:48:28
Curt
Right.
00:48:29
jamie peacock
Where the fuck's my spanner? Now I go on a mission to go find my spanner.
00:48:32
jamie peacock
and One of the things I actually want to do with rearranging the workshop is have more of a cell type situation between the four machines. So the LK, the EMCO will be in line, like the doors will be in line with the with the LK.
00:48:32
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:43
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:48:49
jamie peacock
And then the new lathe will be facing the other way.
00:48:49
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:48:51
jamie peacock
And it'll make a cell, but then I can walk through to the grinding area. So I've been messing around in CAD trying to figure out, because the issue I've got now, the new machine is a chip conveyor.
00:48:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:01
Curt
Ooh, that's nice.
00:49:02
jamie peacock
Ooh, yeah, it's really annoying because you need to make sure you can empty said chip conveyor.
00:49:08
Curt
oh yeah, fair. If it's not a nice...
00:49:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it limits it limits the orientations the machine can go in because I also need about 700 millimeters between the back of the machine and the water and a wall so that I can get the spindle liners in.
00:49:09
Curt
Yeah, if it's... Yeah.
00:49:22
Curt
Ah, okay.
00:49:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, and yeah, when your workshop is dinky, it's a bit of a problem.
00:49:23
Curt
Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:27
jamie peacock
So yeah, we'll see.
00:49:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:28
jamie peacock
Yeah, there's plans afoot to... have the machine rigged into my driveway so i've told the guy straight i'm buying the machine do not sell it like you need money just tell me i'll i can give you money like i'll pay he was like you can pay me off you can retrofit the channel and then move it like whatever we've got a quite a long-standing relationship he's not going to sell it out from under me so uh like i was there today he's like oh are you really interested you got the wife to come and approve i'm like no no this is a done deal i've sold my other lady already like this is happening um
00:49:38
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:49:57
jamie peacock
And the plan is now to go back there one more time, strip the Fenix servo motors out, see what size their frames are, see what adapters I need to make, order the servos in, that when the machine hits my driveway, all the electronics are here.
00:50:11
jamie peacock
That and it's however long it takes me to shove them in the machine.
00:50:12
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:15
jamie peacock
It's not, ok okay, now waiting three weeks for a servo motor kind of story. um
00:50:19
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:50:20
jamie peacock
But that is now something that we need to discuss. I need your opinion, Kurt.
00:50:26
Curt
Happy to provide.
00:50:26
jamie peacock
and Do I go ether cats or do I go step in direction?
00:50:32
Curt
For lathe? I mean, my heart says EtherCAT, but are you going to gain anything for it?
00:50:36
jamie peacock
So does mine, except I don't know how much of a boar lake it's going to be to get it to work.
00:50:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:50:41
Curt
ah Yeah, yeah.
00:50:42
jamie peacock
That's my big concern.
00:50:42
Curt
ah Especially for retrofit.
00:50:43
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:50:45
Curt
ah I mean, step in direction is cheap enough.
00:50:46
jamie peacock
So, there's...
00:50:48
Curt
Just yeah roll with that and then go EtherCat if you need it in the future.
00:50:51
jamie peacock
So there's there is a set of drives I'm looking at that are EtherCAT compatible, but also have step and direction pins. Because there's one set I'm that are really nice. They don't have step and direction pins.
00:51:04
jamie peacock
They have eight digital outputs and eight digital inputs on the front of the drive and EtherCAT.
00:51:10
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:51:11
jamie peacock
So control is EtherCAT, and you can read those digital IOs. Because with the EtherCAT drives, you can also hook your... your home switch into the drive and say, drive, go home yourself.
00:51:22
jamie peacock
And it will home itself and then say to LinuxC, hey, I'm home. LinuxC, I'm home. This is my position.
00:51:28
Curt
Gotcha. Yeah, right, right.
00:51:29
jamie peacock
Oh, absolutely. They're all the ones I'm speccing encoders as well. So it will just turn on and know where it is.
00:51:32
Curt
oh
00:51:34
jamie peacock
But that requires EtherCAT.
00:51:35
Curt
That's, yeah.
00:51:35
jamie peacock
So my my plan now is first thing is get the the server drives in. I've got the Raspberry Pi, I've got all the stuff, I can start getting that set up on a workbench and just playing with it till I can see to see if I can get it to work.
00:51:48
jamie peacock
If can't get it to work, I've got all the breakout boards for the seven C81s. And I can just go that route.
00:51:54
Curt
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
00:51:54
jamie peacock
Like I'm still going to use all IO on the 7C81s just because it's easy to interface with.
00:51:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:00
jamie peacock
um But then, yeah, I kind I really want to go EtherCAT. I'm just so worried about how many months I'm going to spend getting it working because as usual, there is no documentation.
00:52:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:13
Curt
Yeah, I would, don't know, for a lathe, would
00:52:15
jamie peacock
I was chatting to Norman about it. He's it's a bastard to get working, but once it's working, you won't look back.
00:52:21
Curt
Well, yeah, of course, but like you could if it's going to take you months, you might be able to to do it dude on the cheap first and, like you said, a temporary solution.
00:52:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:52:25
jamie peacock
That's the thing.
00:52:28
jamie peacock
Yeah. So that's the thing. Like, the drives I was looking at, have they support um they yeah they support EtherCAT, but they're they've also come pre-configured to run ah with step-in direction.
00:52:28
Curt
and
00:52:43
jamie peacock
Step-in direction and 10-volt analog.
00:52:47
jamie peacock
Like, it comes pre-configured. It's a 23-bit absolute encoder on it as well, which is kind of cool. like stupid accurate.
00:52:47
Curt
Okay, yeah, yeah.
00:52:56
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:57
jamie peacock
Just looking now, it comes with, yeah, ah literally you can run it either way. So they come with step and direction. There was a note in the in the thing about how to how to configure it for either either options.
00:53:09
jamie peacock
So I will probably, yeah, don't know.
00:53:11
Curt
yeah
00:53:13
jamie peacock
Like, and servos are so cheap these days, it's hilarious. You cannot buy closed loop steppers and power supplies for the price of an AC servo.
00:53:17
Curt
totally
00:53:22
Curt
Yeah, no, exactly. I wouldn't put i wouldn't put anything but servos on on builds from now on.
00:53:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:53:27
Curt
Unless I was trying to really cheap out, but...
00:53:28
jamie peacock
And also I kind of want, I want all 20 meters of my rapids.
00:53:34
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:53:34
jamie peacock
Because this machine, it's a 94.
00:53:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:53:36
jamie peacock
It's not new, but it had 20 meter rapids back then. I plan on having 20 meter rapids now. So that I can smash it so fast that I won't even know what happened.
00:53:42
Curt
Well, and with...
00:53:45
Curt
Well, with a gang, like you're always going to be using your Z, so you may as well just make it go snappy.
00:53:48
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:53:50
Curt
And even if it's not fast in like, even if you get acceleration, like that, to me, that's, that's a huge, like speed is great, but like acceleration is where it's at where you can just like zip, zip, zip, zip.
00:53:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, exactly.
00:53:56
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:53:59
jamie peacock
accelerations, yeah, 100%.
00:54:00
Curt
zip Yeah.
00:54:01
jamie peacock
Because I'm looking at 750 watt servos, I want to go pull the Phinux servers off and see what size they were.
00:54:02
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:06
jamie peacock
Because, again, chatting to Norman is like, yeah, no that same size frame, they've done everything from 400 to like one kilowatt and 50 watt increments over the years.
00:54:16
jamie peacock
So I kind of want to see what what it has and match because obviously, it was calculated for the machine. So if I put something similar, I'm pretty close.
00:54:16
Curt
Right, right, right.
00:54:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:27
Curt
How heavy is the machine in, like, total?
00:54:30
jamie peacock
about one a half two tons not exactly sure yeah no not huge
00:54:32
Curt
Okay. Okay, so you're you're not going to be, what do you guys mean? Like, yeah, you can put a pretty beefy servo, and it's not going to be, it's not going to be moving around on you.
00:54:39
jamie peacock
oh yeah i think it's 110 millimeter frame servos but i don't want to put 2.6 or 2 uh 1 sorry 1.8 kilowatt servos on it it's a bit overkill um i'm also looking at my total power consumption on the machine and as it is 5.5 kilowatts for the servos a shitload of power
00:54:40
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:49
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:56
jamie peacock
Like, it's a bit more than, like, I'm going to try, run I've got a 4kW VFD, I'm going to try to run it on that.
00:54:57
Curt
yeah Yeah.
00:55:02
jamie peacock
um I might have to just keep the rev up a little bit slower to run it on that VFD, but I have the VFD already.
00:55:09
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:10
jamie peacock
So, don't know, I'll see.
00:55:11
Curt
Yep.
00:55:12
jamie peacock
It also, if it spins up in 4 seconds, that's fine.
00:55:17
Curt
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:55:17
jamie peacock
It's also 6000 spindle.
00:55:21
Curt
Ooh, that's nice. That's nice to have. Yeah.
Machine Maintenance and Environmental Concerns
00:55:24
jamie peacock
Don't think I'm going to run it there very often, but it's nice to have. Like, I think generally speaking, we're going to hover around 4,000 for what we what we get up to.
00:55:27
Curt
Totally. Yeah, yeah.
00:55:32
jamie peacock
But it is nice to have.
00:55:32
Curt
Yeah, that's...
00:55:33
jamie peacock
luck
00:55:34
Curt
That's Holland. Yeah.
00:55:35
jamie peacock
Yeah, and then we're there today. was looking at the old control cabinet down. It's like, reuse the buttons. I'm like, no, these are shit. I want proper buttons. So going salvage some of the stuff, including the um the panel meter for spindle load, because it's a 0 to 10 volt DC, and I've got a 0 to 10 volt DC out on my VFDs that I can correspond to current.
00:55:49
Curt
Hmm.
00:55:56
jamie peacock
So then I know if I'm overloading the the motor, because that's something I use on Bertha because the motor's underpowered. You need to know if you're overloading it so you know it's about to trip and you can pause the machine.
00:55:56
Curt
Nice.
00:56:04
Curt
Right.
00:56:08
Curt
Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, makes sense.
00:56:09
jamie peacock
So I sold Bertha, not with all the collets, because the new machines are the same collet chucks. I'm like, fuck that, I'm keeping my production collets. You can have all the random sizes.
00:56:16
Curt
Oh, sick.
00:56:17
jamie peacock
um But then Bertha, he's getting a fucking sweet deal. Bertha's going with the quick change tool post that's on It's all the gang blocks. Four jaw chuck, three jaw chuck. um The jaws for that, there's whole bunch of crap. Some of the tool holders, some of the stuff i'm not going to be able to run on the new machine.
00:56:33
jamie peacock
Just take it and have fun. And then I've got to get rid of 200 liters of coolant as well.
00:56:38
Curt
awesome it
00:56:39
jamie peacock
Also, the new machine already has coolant in it, which is going to be super fucking tasty. Not excited for that.
00:56:45
Curt
yay included she okay so vintage even better authentic original the oh yeah yeah
00:56:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, I don't know how long it's been standing either. Like, yeah, not not ideal. Yeah, Monica's going have a bad time. The issue I've got there is the coolant tank is in the bottom of the casting.
00:57:00
jamie peacock
old school style. Yeah. So pressure washer, shove it up there and fucking build, give that thing an enema and then try get it clean.
00:57:09
Curt
u Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:10
jamie peacock
it's It's going to be a bit of a bastard to clean, but it is what it is.
00:57:11
Curt
yeah
00:57:14
jamie peacock
So I own a pressure washer. I bought the pressure washer to clean the Emco. was going to borrow my neighbors. I'm glad fuck it. They're like, I think they were $50 or something. i just bought one and yeah, super useful for cleaning cooling tanks.
00:57:27
jamie peacock
You just fucking blast it out and poison your grass.
00:57:27
Curt
yeah
00:57:31
jamie peacock
and then not worry about it. was like saying to the mother-in-law, i want to dig a trench by my front door and just fill it with gravel and then let the grass grow over it so that I have a false drain there that if when I wash stuff, I can wash into there and just do it 1950s popular mechanics style.
00:57:44
jamie peacock
Pour oil. How do you get rid of oil according to popular mechanics? Dig a hole, fill it with gravel and pour the oil in.
00:57:51
Curt
Oh, right on. Yeah.
00:57:51
jamie peacock
Yeah, that that is literally an article from from the 1950s in popular mechanics, how to get rid of old in engine oil.
00:57:52
Curt
no't don't cause any
00:57:56
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:59
jamie peacock
I was like, yeah, that's, that's fucking great.
00:57:59
Curt
I mean, like said, where I grew up,
00:58:02
jamie peacock
Uh, yeah. So what happened to you? Yeah. No, you want a plot.
00:58:05
Curt
I'd say where i agree ah where I grew up, people would just... We had gravel roads. People would take
DIY Fixes and Backup Necessities
00:58:09
Curt
all their old engine oil, save it up, put it in a big 55-gallon drum and just oil the gravels to keep the dust down. It's just like, we're putting a lot of oil into the ground here, but I'm like, it's where it came from.
00:58:14
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:18
Curt
can go back. That doesn't really we work that way, but all right.
00:58:20
jamie peacock
There we go. It's got some extra bits now.
00:58:21
Curt
Carry on. Anyways. Yeah.
00:58:24
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:24
Curt
Farmers.
00:58:24
jamie peacock
So what happened to your, your laser cutters pump?
00:58:24
Curt
Anyways.
00:58:26
jamie peacock
What pump do you have on your laser cutter? It's the first question.
00:58:28
Curt
It's just like and just the water pump. like The water pump that cools the tube. And...
00:58:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, like a pond pond.
00:58:33
Curt
It did dead simple. Just like a coil.
00:58:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:35
Curt
It's just a mag pump. So it's just a giant coil of wire and like a magnetic stator inside.
00:58:37
jamie peacock
Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:58:40
Curt
And I just flipped it on, just completely dead.
00:58:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:43
Curt
I checked it with a, like I pulled the plug off, caught the end off, measured it.
00:58:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:46
Curt
I'm like, oh yeah. and Resistance is like mega ohms. I'm like, okay, there's an open or something here.
00:58:50
jamie peacock
yeah
00:58:51
Curt
I was like, how does that die? Like, I mean, it's ran for like, whatever, five years. It always mean nothing, but it's just like, so it was just kind a pain the ass thing.
00:58:56
jamie peacock
yeah so i put a i put a pc water cooling pump on my laser when i built it and that thing shockingly still runs it's a banggood special still running had no issues with it but speaking of pumps dying we are growing we've got hydroponic set up on our tank in the front garden growing strawberries and they're looking beautiful big strawberries on it i got out there because go once a day if you first check the system look
00:59:07
Curt
Nice. Wow.
00:59:23
jamie peacock
Why is there no water in the thing, in the hydroponic section? Pull the pump up, no water. Open up the pump, shaft. Sheared off, rubbed. It'd been rubbing for freaking weeks, apparently.
00:59:36
jamie peacock
Anyway, I made a new stainless steel shaft and shoved it in there and it's running again. But yeah, like it sheared off and then was just running, sheared shaft on sheared shaft.
00:59:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:59:44
Curt
Nice. Nice.
00:59:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, like shock that was still running. um Because I noticed the water flow went down ah a bit a little while ago.
00:59:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:59:51
jamie peacock
But anyway, I had some three millimeter stainless shafts.
00:59:51
Curt
Yeah.
00:59:52
jamie peacock
I just chopped a new piece of stainless with bolt cutter and shoved it in there.
00:59:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's that does terrify me. If the coolant pump goes out on your laser, you can blow your tube pretty quickly.
00:59:58
Curt
Well, i mean,
01:00:04
Curt
Yeah, when I put... I thought about this years ago because I DIY this whole system.
01:00:07
jamie peacock
And you have a flow.
01:00:08
Curt
yeah have a flow meter and a temperature and it's just alarm. As soon as there's no flow or there's no or the temperature spikes, it's like...
01:00:11
jamie peacock
Yeah. Oh, yours is actually tied into the the water waterpro protect circuit of your laser.
01:00:20
Curt
Uh, it's basically just little Arduino that has a flow meter.
01:00:23
jamie peacock
OK.
01:00:24
Curt
And it just, soon as it, as soon as it doesn't see flow, it just fires up a little siren.
01:00:24
jamie peacock
OK. Yeah.
01:00:27
Curt
And I'm like what is that horrible noise? I'm like, oh, there's no flow. But ah it happened, it happened during power up or shutdown.
01:00:30
jamie peacock
OK.
01:00:33
Curt
So I didn't even notice it till I went to run it next time.
01:00:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:34
Curt
And then it was just like no flow. Um, which was kind of nice. Cause I had, I batched a bunch of ship, like, cause I use it for all my shipping. So I, I always make sure I'm one batch ahead.
01:00:41
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:43
Curt
Um, unfortunately it was like too short for the, so I had to fix it to get it right.
01:00:46
jamie peacock
Ah shit.
01:00:47
Curt
Not a big, um but just made me, made me realize like if my laser goes down, I'm also fucked. So like, I'm just going to batch, I'm going make sure I'm at least like, it doesn't take much to laser all my product, like packaging stuff for like, you know, a few months.
01:00:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:58
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:01:00
Curt
And that way, if my laser, when my laser goes down, cause it will, um if I have to sit, you know, yeah, if I have to sit for a month for a new tube, that's probably going to be the first thing that dies.
01:01:04
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's a mechanical system.
01:01:09
Curt
um
01:01:10
jamie peacock
yeah
01:01:10
Curt
It won't be the, it won't be the like, Oh, everything has to stop now. Cause I can't build packing material. So, yeah. Yeah.
01:01:15
jamie peacock
I'm surprised my tube is still alive. It's like five years old and I have not been gentle to it.
01:01:20
Curt
Oh, yeah. Mine's old, too. But, I mean, I have been gentle to mine.
01:01:21
jamie peacock
But yeah, i can and I can literally jump in my truck now.
01:01:23
Curt
so and
01:01:25
jamie peacock
Well, not now, during the day. ah Drive 30 minutes, buy a new tube and drive home.
01:01:30
Curt
Yeah, that's the thing.
01:01:30
jamie peacock
Which is convenient.
01:01:32
Curt
even Even on the internet, like I can order, too. And it can probably be here in less than a week.
01:01:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:01:36
Curt
So it's like, eh, it's less concerning.
01:01:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, but still. Yeah, it still is concerning because my ma laser's control board went and a little while ago.
01:01:40
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:45
jamie peacock
So it had a ESP32 that I'd made a custom bodge board to adapt to a GRBL shield.
01:01:45
Curt
Hmm.
01:01:52
jamie peacock
And something happened. I think we had a power surge or something. And the ESP just shot the bed. So I ordered a replacement board from Microbotics, a local Microbotics place.
01:02:04
jamie peacock
they've got a job bl laser board. So I bought that fucking hell getting that thing working was a nightmare. And then the other day, the laser cutting PC hung, I rebooted, and my configs are gone for my laser cutters, my laser for both lasers.
01:02:09
Curt
Mm.
01:02:18
Curt
Ah, yeah. That sucks.
01:02:20
jamie peacock
So I now have backups on it.
01:02:22
jamie peacock
It took all over 20 minutes to fix but I don't want to have to fix it.
01:02:22
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:27
Curt
yeah Well, yeah, exactly why. Like things like same thing.
01:02:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:02:29
Curt
I like, I try to take more. i I need to take more backups of everything. because the same thing. It's like, okay, it takes me two minutes to back this up or it's gonna take me four hours to figure out what the hell I did when it.
01:02:35
jamie peacock
Yeah. So I need to, that's actually something I need to do before I sell Bertha is pull a backup of that SD and just put the backup in Google somewhere and just, I know it's backed up.
01:02:38
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:43
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:47
jamie peacock
I need to do it for the EMCO as well.
01:02:47
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:48
jamie peacock
Cause like my neighbor across the road, his home assistant shot the bed, the SD card, and we managed to salvage the ah config file.
01:02:53
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:56
jamie peacock
on one of my Linux CNC machines, we plugged it into a card reader. And we could because Windows, you can't read any of that because it's Windows, where Linux doesn't give a shit. So we open, we managed to find his config file, he had spent weeks on that config file, because he's got all of his universal remote setup in there and like, silly
01:03:10
Curt
so
Software Dependencies and Machine Retrofitting
01:03:15
jamie peacock
stuff.
01:03:15
Curt
yeah
01:03:15
jamie peacock
But yeah we managed to salvage it. So it's on the list of things I need to do is actually backup all the all the machine configs again. Like I've got backups, but they're old.
01:03:23
Curt
Actually, well, and speaking of backups, when I was building this PC, you know I was like, you know what going I'm going to put like five just slow hard drives in there and run it as a RAID array.
01:03:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:03:33
Curt
And then i'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm like, if I'm running a RAID array, I'm not going to do it in Windows box. I'm like, I'll do this separately.
01:03:37
jamie peacock
New.
01:03:38
Curt
I'll build a little like Linux server and and run it that way if I'm going to play that.
01:03:40
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's little nice. Yeah.
01:03:42
Curt
Yeah, I'm like, I'm not going to let Windows, trust Windows to you know critical data that I want to back up.
01:03:45
jamie peacock
New. I wouldn't. Yeah.
01:03:48
Curt
So...
01:03:48
jamie peacock
I wouldn't. try Yeah. If I could move away from Windows, I would move away from Windows in a heartbeat.
01:03:52
Curt
Dude, same, especially with Steam being supported on Linux now and like Steam having their own OS.
01:03:57
jamie peacock
yeah the only reason The only reason is Fusion 360.
01:03:57
Curt
And it's like, I'm only... Fusion, yeah.
01:04:00
jamie peacock
That is the only reason I'm on Windows still.
01:04:01
Curt
I know.
01:04:03
Curt
Fusion moved to Linux and then everyone will leave.
01:04:05
jamie peacock
Yeah, and everyone can leave this fucking adware that we're using because it's not an OS, it's a fucking adware.
01:04:06
Curt
We'll all go to Linux. We're all dorks.
01:04:10
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:12
jamie peacock
I keep getting pop-ups. Sign into OneDrive. Eat a dick. I don't want your backup. Just go away. Like, fuck off. and then you open. Update Windows 11. Fuck off and die. I want to stay on Windows 10.
01:04:12
Curt
Yeah, I agree.
01:04:24
jamie peacock
Like, yeah. But obviously, we're going to be forced to Windows 11. My laptop's Windows 11, and I hate it. um But yeah, that's just because it's stupid. Like, yeah.
01:04:34
jamie peacock
I mean, in the house, we've got, like, four Windows 10 PCs at this point. and a Windows 11 one.
01:04:39
Curt
mm-hmm
01:04:40
jamie peacock
So yeah we have way too many computers, apparently.
01:04:43
Curt
Well, that's also why I'm trying to build a computer now, because I think in about October, I think there's going to be a run on people building PCs, because they're going to be like, ah, shit, this thing doesn't run anymore.
01:04:48
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:04:52
jamie peacock
I was thinking the other i should just upgrade Windows 11 and just fucking buy the book and just get it done on the work PC.
01:04:52
Curt
and Like, eh.
01:04:59
jamie peacock
But um I was busy programming something.
01:04:59
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:00
jamie peacock
like, I can't be down for a few hours. this needs to I need to like block off time to do this. Where I'm not going to try run the LK.
01:05:07
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:08
jamie peacock
I'm running production on the LK and I don't need to fuck with it. Then, yeah, sure. Then I've got... actually got a thing this week with TalkSpits where I have a whole day. The cycle's about an hour a cycle, so I've got the whole day to...
01:05:17
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:21
jamie peacock
play on the computer. So think I might do it then.
01:05:23
Curt
Yeah. Cool, man.
01:05:25
jamie peacock
Was he told me to reuse the hand wheel on the on the new machine?
01:05:25
Curt
Well, should we?
01:05:29
jamie peacock
I told her no, I have a new one.
01:05:31
Curt
Aw. Oh, OK.
01:05:32
jamie peacock
The for no one sounds funny.
01:05:34
Curt
Oh, well, fair enough.
01:05:35
jamie peacock
Yeah, I have this I don't know from when like I buy these duck I have a whole box of industrial Lego. It's what it's labeled. It's like all just like relays and proxies and crap.
01:05:42
Curt
That's...
01:05:46
jamie peacock
That's all just effectively industrial Lego.
01:05:48
Curt
It will be useful when the world ends. Like I said, that's my that's my justification to yeah hold on to all the dumb.
01:05:50
jamie peacock
Exactly.
01:05:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:05:54
Curt
I have so much old hard-inch parts that I just couldn't throw away because I'm like, this is so cool. I'm like, will I ever use this? No. But I'm like, it's now it's sat in a box for a year.
01:05:59
jamie peacock
Did your...
01:06:01
Curt
hasn't moved. should throw it away.
01:06:02
jamie peacock
Did your machine come with any control hardware when you got it?
01:06:06
Curt
A ton of it, except the servo. I wish it came. It can't. There's a 3,000-pound cabinet that had all the servo amps that it just didn't come with.
01:06:13
jamie peacock
Okay, yeah.
01:06:13
Curt
um I would have killed for that cabinet.
01:06:13
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:06:15
Curt
But I like all the dumb stuff, like just humongous heat sinks and like all the...
01:06:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:06:19
Curt
There's a bunch of like just like logic, but it's all like...
01:06:21
jamie peacock
Come on.
01:06:22
Curt
It was all just, you know, I just couldn't throw
01:06:23
jamie peacock
When I bought Connie, the Condia Power Mill I had, I think I got back like, I must have been about 10% of the cost of the machine just in copper.
01:06:32
Curt
it away.
01:06:33
jamie peacock
I took all the the reactors and the transformers and I cut them apart to be just the bits of copper.
01:06:34
Curt
ah yeah Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:38
Curt
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:06:41
jamie peacock
And I got a freaking fortune from it. Even now, this new machine.
01:06:43
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:44
jamie peacock
I looked up the server amplifiers. They are $1,500 for the one. thousand five hundred dollars the one $1,500 for the spindle server amplifier.
01:06:56
jamie peacock
Then I've still got the two servos and the controller. Like, I can recoup the entire cost of the machine and some if I'm willing to hang on to of put it and put on eBay, but I'm not willing to hang on to it and put it on eBay.
01:06:59
Curt
yeah
01:07:06
jamie peacock
I just want it gone.
01:07:06
Curt
That's my thing too.
01:07:07
Curt
Like if I was, if I had like a little, like a little Kurt that just could work in the night, and I did not worry about him. I would tell him to take photos of all the boards that I have for my hard engine, put them on eBay.
01:07:16
jamie peacock
Yeah. 100%.
01:07:17
Curt
Cause you know what? There's some asshole there right now that has ah you know, whatever um needs a memory board and he'll pay 200 bucks for it.
01:07:19
jamie peacock
ah hundred percent
01:07:23
Curt
And I'm just going to whip it into the recycling. Cause like, I have no need for it.
01:07:26
jamie peacock
Well, I've got I've got two EMCO modules.
01:07:26
Curt
It's like,
01:07:28
jamie peacock
I've got one access module and one the video output module from the EMCO.
01:07:32
Curt
yeah.
01:07:32
jamie peacock
They were just cards. I pulled them and then I scrapped the rest of the cabinets. And then the guy who initially owned the machine phoned me like a week later after I sent it to scrap looking for the screen.
01:07:37
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:42
jamie peacock
I'm like, dude, you're a week late. Like you could have had the fucking monitor.
01:07:45
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:46
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, it's gone.
01:07:47
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:47
jamie peacock
And I phoned my scrap guy and it was gone already. I'm like, sorry, dude.
01:07:51
Curt
Yeah,
01:07:51
jamie peacock
Because yeah he was still running it with the OEM controller.
01:07:54
Curt
yeah, yeah. yeah
01:07:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, like he stripped my one for spares for the other one, because they were sister machines. No, good, yeah, little silly. But yes, I have ah one more intrusive thought that I'm working on. I'm thinking of building a turret.
01:08:10
Curt
Okay, why come?
01:08:12
jamie peacock
Like a lathe turret.
01:08:14
Curt
Like a lathe turret. Why?
01:08:16
jamie peacock
Yes, for the new machine.
01:08:18
Curt
ah I see.
01:08:19
jamie peacock
Yes, yes.
01:08:20
Curt
This sounds like a road to despair.
01:08:24
jamie peacock
I know. Turrets are not hard. The EMCO turret, super simple.
01:08:26
Curt
What? Sure, Yeah, yeah.
01:08:27
jamie peacock
No, the EMCO turret is dirt simple. Like, can probably do it relatively easily. But yeah, I'm busy mulling over that plan of making eight-position turret just for OD tools. Like, I wouldn't bother even, like, interfacing for drills.
01:08:44
jamie peacock
I put drills on a gang block because generally you don't need, like, eight different freaking drills.
01:08:44
Curt
Sure.
01:08:48
jamie peacock
But yeah, having intrusive thoughts.
01:08:48
Curt
Yeah. Good point.
01:08:50
jamie peacock
All the IOs are ready provision for it.
01:08:54
Curt
I vote get it working gang and then and then play.
01:08:57
jamie peacock
yeah you mean uh with my lang gang plates um i'm actually quite excited for the lang gang because i'll probably put a quick change tool post on the one end just for general cockery uh and then the lang gang like any of the stuff that runs for tools or around that i'm gonna make custom lang gang plates and then you just touch off the first tool everything else is preset
01:08:58
Curt
kiss
01:09:01
Curt
With your lane gang. Yeah, yeah. I think the lane gang is a cool idea. Yeah.
01:09:09
Curt
Yeah.
01:09:12
Curt
Yeah.
01:09:21
jamie peacock
because now I have the opportunity to change all my tool numbers to not be stupid because you know why my three millimeter grooving tool is tool three because it's three millimeters wide do you know why my WNMG is number eight because it's a WNMG 08
01:09:32
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:39
jamie peacock
Like the naming is stupid as hell. So now's my chance to fix all of that and just go rework all my programs as I repost them to be with their own. Cause I mean,
Shipping Strategies and International Trade
01:09:49
jamie peacock
you got 999 tool numbers.
01:09:50
jamie peacock
Why not use them all?
01:09:52
Curt
Totally. Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:09:53
Curt
Yeah.
01:09:53
jamie peacock
So that is the plan, but yeah, that's exciting. And yeah, that's all I, that literally the whole weekend was trying to find manuals and reading up on VFDs and servos and yeah, every other thing.
01:10:04
Curt
I'm interested to see how the retrofit goes. yeah I'm interested see how you build it out.
01:10:06
jamie peacock
Yeah. Hopefully smoothly.
01:10:07
Curt
It'll be fun. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully up running quick.
01:10:08
jamie peacock
Hopefully very smoothly.
01:10:09
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, I think we'll get it up and running quick. It's going to be the biggest thing waiting for servos because I can buy the servos from China for like 2,000 Rand each or i can buy them locally for 7,000 Rand each and fuck that noise.
01:10:21
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:21
jamie peacock
I will wait two weeks.
01:10:22
Curt
yeah
01:10:23
jamie peacock
um So yeah, like ah the guy was here on Saturday to discuss buying machine. I'm like, okay, because we were discussing payment terms and shit. I'm like, dude, I need to be able to order the servos and whatnot. Now the rest can wait. You can pay me once machine's in your shop. Like,
01:10:38
jamie peacock
I'm not too worried about it. I just wanted to go to a good home.
01:10:40
Curt
yeah
01:10:41
jamie peacock
And also I know where your shop is. Like, I'll come and break it. I don't mind. Like, or as this, if this all shakes out properly, I walk away with like $250 and a new lathe.
01:10:52
Curt
Yeah, that's sick.
01:10:53
jamie peacock
So I'm stoked.
01:10:53
Curt
Yeah, that works out.
01:10:55
jamie peacock
Like, that's perfect. I don't need to make more than that out of the deal. I want a new lathe. Like, I'm tired of Bertha. Bertha's great, but I'm tired of it. ah do ah You had one more thing.
01:11:05
Curt
Nice. well art Ah, just boring. well this and We could jump right into Googling.
01:11:09
jamie peacock
It was interesting. It was actually pretty interesting.
01:11:14
Curt
Oh, okay. Well, we'll briefly touch on it, and the Google, because we're already starting to get long in the tooth.
01:11:17
jamie peacock
Eh, not that long.
01:11:19
Curt
um So, yeah, I'm just... I'm messing around with the CUSMA certification. Basically just making sure I can ship my stuff to the States without paying or without the Americanos having to pay tariffs on it.
01:11:30
Curt
um So yeah, i ah i the shipping software I'm using now, um or that it's pairing along with another piece of shipping software because it's all a cluster, ah let me submit my SKUs and then it lets you fill out all the data that is really annoying to fill out, like all the certificate of origin and HS codes and all that jazz.
01:11:46
Curt
And then it saves it to a SKU. So when the order comes in, it can just auto-populate it. um
01:11:51
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:11:51
Curt
Anyway, so it it basically double-checked all my things I submitted and claimed that they'll all qualify ah for CUSMA.
01:11:52
jamie peacock
Well, hopefully.
01:11:59
Curt
ah So now, hopefully when I ship, I won't have to charge people tariffs. So let's...
01:12:03
jamie peacock
okay but hopefully
01:12:04
Curt
Yeah, I was talking yeah was talking to a few Canadian guys that were using this this software. um it's it's It's a program called Chit Chats, which is kind of annoying because its ah it doesn't integrate well with anything and the shipping is weird.
01:12:15
Curt
But it lets you do this. So I'm going to try it. I have three packages in the mail right now that are better on in transit that didn't quite make, but they they were low low price.
01:12:21
jamie peacock
Yeah. Uh. Yeah.
01:12:26
Curt
So I don't know, $4 in duty or tariffs on those.
01:12:28
jamie peacock
ah
01:12:29
Curt
But I also don't want to, you know, if I can avoid tariffs, I will. So we'll see if this works out.
01:12:33
jamie peacock
yeah
01:12:34
Curt
um
01:12:35
jamie peacock
Well, Dan and I were chatting about that today.
01:12:35
Curt
Yeah.
01:12:36
jamie peacock
And i was like, no, EJ has been super understanding with that parcel that's gone missing. I'm like, I'm just, john that's fine. Got the titanium feeds and speeds from me now that's tomorrow morning's endeavors make that racking, get his anodized and off to him.
01:12:49
jamie peacock
And I'm just going to eat the eat the tariff form because he did order it before the tariffs and he's been super understanding about it. So he will just get it without any tariff things.
01:12:55
Curt
Oh, that's nice.
01:12:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's like $100 worth tariffs on that. but I'm like, it's unfair to make him pay it.
01:12:59
Curt
Yeah.
01:13:01
jamie peacock
Like, as far as I'm concerned, when the insurance pays out for that lost parcel, I will just take it out of that.
01:13:02
Curt
yeah
01:13:07
jamie peacock
Like, it is what is. Like, yeah, cost of doing business.
01:13:09
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:12
jamie peacock
But hopefully we will be selling a bunch anchor points soon. Considering I still have 12 more bodies to finish machining, I should probably do that.
01:13:18
Curt
yeah Might not be a bad idea, but also if they're not sold, it's not, yeah, it's not a huge press.
01:13:20
jamie peacock
Yeah, get ahead of it. Yeah, but also, well, that's the thing i I think on the website now there's a couple days like before shipping, we added a little disclaimer there to allow for
01:13:29
Curt
Yep.
Understanding Distance and Future Plans
01:13:31
jamie peacock
anodizing and Jamie to finish machining them.
01:13:34
Curt
Yep.
01:13:34
jamie peacock
But that's on the list of things.
01:13:35
Curt
Yep.
01:13:36
jamie peacock
too I couldn't machine pallets for a while because I had fourth axis right next to the mooring. Now I have space. So it's fun.
01:13:44
jamie peacock
So ah what have you been googling Kurt?
01:13:45
Curt
yeah
01:13:50
Curt
on top yes
01:13:56
jamie peacock
I've got a few things in my Google box.
01:13:59
Curt
Uh, so a bunch of my Googling was just around all these like tariffs and shipping just cause like, there's just, everything is new. Like everything is coming into place cause just the weird, like prepaid is just like, it's a cluster.
01:14:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:14:12
Curt
It's making everything a cluster. It's, it's throwing wrenches into everything. So anyways, I just have like 900 tabs open on that. Um, I also have a tab open cause my, I was talking with my oldest, she's four.
01:14:23
Curt
She was saying how close the moon is. I'm like, no, the moon is like really far away. and she's like, well, how far away is the moon? I'm like, well, think it's like 300,000 kilometers, but trying to justify that to her. She's like, well, she's like, can we drive to the moon?
01:14:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:14:32
Curt
And i was like, no, we cannot drive to the, I mean, if we could drive to the moon, And i was like, how long would it take to drive to the moon?
01:14:36
jamie peacock
You would have gone.
01:14:37
Curt
So if you want, if people want to know, if you want to drive to the moon, assuming you drove 24 hours a day at about highway speed, one hundred kilometers an hour, it would take you about half a year to drive to the moon. So if you want to sleep and eat and stuff, it'll take you about a year to drive to the moon.
01:14:47
jamie peacock
Wow, okay.
01:14:50
Curt
ah So yeah, I told that to her and she's like, oh, so it's far away. I'm like, it's really far. Then we started talking about the sun and
01:14:54
jamie peacock
That's actually, that's a really clever way of um explaining it.
01:14:58
Curt
well, yeah, yeah. Cause it's like, you can't justify it.
01:14:59
jamie peacock
Because it did put it well it puts it in terms that a human can actually comprehend.
01:15:00
Curt
Yeah.
01:15:03
jamie peacock
Because big numbers, we just have no concept.
01:15:05
jamie peacock
like That actually puts it in... Yeah.
01:15:05
Curt
Well, and yeah, she's like, well, and she's like, the airplane.
01:15:09
Curt
She's like, can we fly an airplane to the moon? I'm like, not really. You can fly a rocket to the moon. but she said, well, the airplane's just right by the moon. i'm like, hey, it looks like it is, but it's really, really far away because it's really big. So she's like, one though it's not big.
01:15:19
Curt
It's small. I'm like, you are right, but how do i Okay, whatever. so and then.
01:15:24
jamie peacock
This is the problem I have with my little truck, is they think, the pedestrians think it's a big truck that's far away. Meanwhile, it's close.
01:15:31
Curt
right. So, anyway.
01:15:32
jamie peacock
Oh, yes. So, last week, remember I said that I hadn't done the Wordle yet for the day?
01:15:38
Curt
Sure. Yeah. yeah
01:15:39
jamie peacock
but didn't remember to do the Wordle. I woke up in the morning i'm like, oh shit.
01:15:42
Curt
Oh, now you've lost your streak.
01:15:44
jamie peacock
Nope, I didn't. Changed my clock to some other part of the world. Did the previous day's wordle, changed my clock back and did the day's wordle. Clearly they're not very secure. So we're currently on 92.
01:15:52
Curt
Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater.
01:15:52
jamie peacock
Not cheetah. not cheta um abusing system. ah Anyway, i did I was doing a bit of research, so obviously now with the retrofits, I wanted to know what collage chuck was on the thing. It looks like a 173 collage, E173, 173E.
01:16:06
Curt
it
01:16:07
jamie peacock
So I was like, okay, cool, let me just Google a A2-5 173E collage. Found one on eBay. Looks to be the same. Kitagawa collage chuck, 1,300 pounds for collage chuck.
01:16:19
jamie peacock
That
01:16:22
jamie peacock
that college
01:16:23
Curt
little bit bigger oh cash wise yeah yeah no weird yeah
01:16:24
jamie peacock
that Cash wise, that's what's on the machine. It's worth more than half of what I'm paying for the frickin machine. um Yeah, and then hydraulic trucks and good way trying to find manuals for the machine is basically impossible.
01:16:38
jamie peacock
I got hold of the local good way agents, they have nothing. but You got hold of good way directly. And I'm waiting to hear back for manuals on it. I've been looking at the meta glasses.
01:16:51
Curt
Oh yeah been yeah, I've been poking at those too.
01:16:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, I think la we'll keep that just that discussion for an after show, along with discussing the combat robot stuff, because I think we're going to post my winning fight as a bonus content.
01:16:53
Curt
Yeah.
01:17:05
jamie peacock
I'll get down because uploaded to the patrons because the way I won is just fucking stupid.
01:17:06
Curt
Okay.
01:17:10
jamie peacock
um ah Yeah, then reading manuals and more manuals and harsh tooling. Read it, the website. Now it looks like AliExpress.
01:17:18
Curt
Ooh, weird.
01:17:19
jamie peacock
Yeah, don't go there. It looks horrid. um
01:17:21
Curt
Really? Oh, nice.
01:17:22
jamie peacock
Yeah, loved I've been doing a lot of reading on EtherCAT with LinuxCNC for some reason.
01:17:22
Curt
I want to go
01:17:29
Curt
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it does look very...
01:17:31
jamie peacock
Because, yeah, it looks cheap as hell.
01:17:32
Curt
Oh, it does look very... Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't look...
01:17:35
jamie peacock
Because I also was i was looking there for for chucks because I'm looking to find out what options there are for a A2-5 collet option or chuck options.
01:17:36
Curt
Yeah.
01:17:43
Curt
Yeah.
01:17:45
jamie peacock
So think I'm going up just finding an adapter plate and putting a manual chuck.
01:17:50
Curt
Fair, yeah. Okay.
01:17:50
jamie peacock
which will probably be the easiest but yeah so what else is in your google box other than how far the moon is was that the only interesting one because i love that that's great
01:17:53
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah. How far the moon is.
01:18:00
Curt
Yeah, it was a fun one. well then and then she And then we started talking about the sun, and that was that just was too much. Yeah. I was like, no, it's a star. She's like, it's not a star. Stars are small. I'm like, oh boy. Oh boy.
01:18:09
jamie peacock
and
01:18:09
Curt
Well, we'll save this for another day. um A crap ton of PC stuff that I could just wax poetically on for the next forever. And ah yeah, that's, oh some ah vapor honed stuff. but Nothing all that interesting other than just copious amounts of PC stuff because I'm so out of the loop.
01:18:26
Curt
I had to kind of educate myself.
01:18:27
jamie peacock
You have to get caught back up on it.
01:18:28
Curt
So yeah. Yeah.
01:18:29
jamie peacock
Because, yeah.
01:18:30
Curt
Which is, yeah, like I said, great when you're, when the, and when you already ordered is coming towards you.
01:18:33
jamie peacock
You've already bought the stuff, yeah.
01:18:34
Curt
and you're
01:18:35
jamie peacock
And I would not recommend it at that point.
01:18:36
Curt
It's like, oh no no. don't do that.
01:18:38
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, you did it in the wrong order, Kurt.
01:18:39
Curt
No, a bad idea.
01:18:42
Curt
Yeah, no, i should just stop reading and just, yeah, just commit, but whatever.
01:18:44
jamie peacock
Yeah. Well, you've committed already.
01:18:47
jamie peacock
Just be patient.
01:18:47
Curt
Well, returns are free.
01:18:49
Curt
Returns are free. Not a problem.
01:18:50
jamie peacock
Okay. That's not too bad.
01:18:52
Curt
Yeah.
01:18:53
jamie peacock
so what where can people find your things and stuff, Kurt?
01:18:57
Curt
ah You can find my lack of everything at confoundedmachine.com. Actually, this week, I'm planning on finishing this stupid little mechanism. I think I have every part designed, and it's either going to work or it's not.
01:19:08
Curt
So information will be coming out hopefully by the end of this week um on whether I'm going to do a run of these or I'm just going to throw it into the trash and we're never going to talk about it again.
01:19:13
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:19:16
Curt
So yeah, and contact page.
01:19:17
jamie peacock
Sure. Like the fruit crop.
01:19:18
Curt
You can throw your... Like the fruit grip is actually and incoming, but it's just there' too many irons in the fire. so
01:19:26
jamie peacock
Yeah, it happens.
01:19:27
Curt
How about you? What do you got? What do you got going on?
01:19:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, as you can you can find us at jspeceng.com where you can find the Anchor Point, the t-shirts, and the Frame Lock Utility Knife, which we are planning on doing another batch. We've got magnets coming in now, 500 magnets. So I'm going to do another run of those with N52s instead of N35s because they were initially in forty two Anyway, those are coming in the near time.
01:19:51
jamie peacock
And then you can find the podcast at theloanemachinists.com. There's some bonus content there. There might be some more. There might not be. Who knows? I'm going to ask Danica to put the fight from the weekend where won awesomely.
01:20:05
jamie peacock
um And then you can find me at jspec underscore engineering on Instagram where you can follow the day-to-day happenings of our workshop and the shenanigans I get up to.
01:20:17
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's about it.
01:20:21
Curt
fun all right up to today i think i'm going to like said finish this little widget uh there's gonna be some you know i think i'm gonna use the mill as a lathe not in the same sense that we do but like i think i'm gonna try part that should be lathe i'm gonna try milling it because it's a long stick out and i need a very tight tolerance held to it a basically three millimeter shaft like and
01:20:21
jamie peacock
um Yeah. What are you up to today, guys?
01:20:37
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:20:42
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah.
01:20:45
Curt
20 mils long and I need it to be very consistent. um
01:20:47
jamie peacock
um Okay.
01:20:48
Curt
So I obviously could lay that, but in the middle there's a donut. So it's like it kind of, I'd have to do some weird coming with a grooving tool and just, it's a perfect Swiss part.
01:20:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:20:55
Curt
um But I think I can just pop in the mill, machine one side, flip it over machine the other side.
01:20:59
jamie peacock
Turn it over, machine over.
01:20:59
Curt
So, yeah.
01:21:00
jamie peacock
Yeah. Okay.
01:21:01
Curt
So i think, i think I'm going to make a lathe part in the mill. um
01:21:03
jamie peacock
Nice, as one does.
01:21:05
Curt
Yeah.
01:21:05
jamie peacock
I actually need to do the same. i need to make an adapter for a half-inch shaft to 14mm on a motor to run my bucket tumbler because I need to tumble parts and I stole the motor off of it.
01:21:12
Curt
Hmm.
01:21:16
jamie peacock
to run the wire chopper i chopped 40 kilograms of wire on saturday and sunday and but ah i mean i plugged it in and went for like seven or eight hours yeah there's only 40 kilos left of 120 that the guy bought um yeah no like he sells a shitload of it's tumbling media for magnetic time well in this case case tumbling that works in magnetic tumblers as well
01:21:17
Curt
okay ah
01:21:28
Curt
kilos a lot of wire.
01:21:34
Curt
Wow.
01:21:39
Curt
Sure. It's crazy. That's so much.
01:21:44
jamie peacock
No, it just runs.
01:21:44
Curt
he cut
01:21:45
jamie peacock
It just does its thing. It's fucking it's great fun. ah but yeah Cool. Well, thank you everybody for... I'm going to sleep. It doesn't ask what I'm doing. I'm going to sleep. And then tomorrow I'm going to be a useful human, hopefully.
01:21:58
jamie peacock
I actually don't even know what I'm doing tomorrow.
01:21:58
Curt
Mm.
01:22:01
jamie peacock
ah um I've got a lot of stuff to do. I need to start prioritizing it. I think I need to get cracking on the brass grips that I'm making for nineteen eleven so because those have to be done by Monday.
01:22:12
jamie peacock
um But yeah, that's me. I'll find some other distraction tomorrow, as I tend to do. um Yeah, thank you everybody for listening. If you're listening on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and you want to see our faces, you can see us on Zencast if your name's AJ, or YouTube if you're a normal person.
01:22:31
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, thank you, and give us rate, like, subscribe. If you enjoyed it and you want to share it, please feel free to share the podcast and try to grow our audience there. um Yeah.
01:22:42
jamie peacock
And then, well, we don't have ultra music. It says ultra music on the document, but we don't have any.
01:22:46
Curt
Oh, well, let's have to sing.
01:22:47
jamie peacock
Yes, we had, but we don't use it anymore. We'll have to sing. Anyway, thank you everybody for listening and yeah, we'll see you next week.
01:22:55
Curt
Take care, all.