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Ep. 39: Hit Me With Your Best Cut
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Join Curt and Jamie as they discuss their week, including topics such as a tale of RGB fans, eccentric presses, and how to name a lathe.
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Teasers
00:00:06
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loan Machinists, we've got a new intro. And this week, Kurt is going to cover...
00:00:12
Curt
I'm going to talk about how cool our podcast is. um Tiny Titanium Parts, a tale of RGB fans, and ah how a another pen maker dude totally
Jamie's New Purchases and Learnings
00:00:21
Curt
helped me out. um Jamie, what are you going to talk about?
00:00:23
jamie peacock
i bought some servos, I also bought an eccentric press, and I found out some really interesting stuff about 173e collets. So yeah, let's jump into it.
00:00:30
Curt
Goo.
00:00:32
jamie peacock
yeah what So, Kurt, how are you this fine day?
Live Intro Feedback and Fun
00:00:36
Curt
Oh, I'm doing fantastic on this fine morning, and after AJ chastised us about having a 900-minute intro, we decided we'd try to do some live ones, so yeah, it's, i don't know, way more fun. I'm just going to like stumble upon it for a while, but how are you doing, man?
00:00:47
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:00:49
jamie peacock
yeah we um Yeah, my evening's good. Yeah, I'm sure i'm sure we'll get into the the groove of the new intro and also breadcrumbing everybody with some of our topics that we've got in our doc.
00:00:49
Curt
how was your How's your evening?
00:01:00
jamie peacock
But yeah, I had a had a day um yeah running running off little desk insert things. Those are very, very noisy because I'm slotting very thin extruded aluminium.
00:01:12
jamie peacock
So my neighbours are going to get a little annoyed, but I've got another six or seven runs to do tonight.
Slotting Aluminum for Bank Project
00:01:17
jamie peacock
And then I can move into OPTU tomorrow morning.
00:01:20
Curt
These are always the ones that you do for like that bank or whatever.
00:01:22
jamie peacock
Yes, these are not the round ones.
00:01:24
Curt
Oh.
00:01:24
jamie peacock
These are the square ones. They send me an extrusion. ah bolt it into a fixture and then I make two parts out of each piece of extrusion because they can't cut the extrusion short enough. So I now slot down the middle and then but basically push the end mill as hard as I can push it.
00:01:32
Curt
Hmm.
00:01:38
jamie peacock
So far, my one mill end mill has done really well today. Doing tool break detects at the end of the program just to make sure it's still there before it brings to the unload position. That way, if it is broken, it's going to throw alarm.
00:01:50
jamie peacock
I'm not going to load and run the next cycle with the broken tool.
00:01:54
Curt
And you're your 1mm end mill is the one making noise?
00:01:58
jamie peacock
No, no, no.
00:01:59
jamie peacock
My six millimeter.
00:01:59
Curt
Okay.
00:02:00
Curt
exactly You're honking on it if you're getting that to make noise.
00:02:00
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, no. So the first thing I do is I drop in with a six millimeter and I slot through at one section. as I think, six millimeters thick. um And then it drops down down to like two millimeters and then back to six.
00:02:08
Curt
Okay.
00:02:11
jamie peacock
And then I'll plunge. I effectively to we use it as a drill. Plunge the web out and then I do the perimeters, evaporate the middle. So yeah, it's a pretty reliable process. I'm pretty sure I've made two or 3,000 of these at this point.
00:02:23
jamie peacock
I used to run them on my little router with four tool changes. It was horrid.
00:02:27
Curt
That sounds
00:02:28
jamie peacock
Like every, I think it was like the first operation was like three minutes and then have to change a tool every couple minutes after that. And we ran thousands of them in that machine.
00:02:36
Curt
right.
00:02:39
Curt
OK. OK.
00:02:39
jamie peacock
Yeah. So now they run on a mooring pallet so I can run two sections, two pieces at a time. And I've flowed through 160, 172 them so far today.
Production Cycle Challenges
00:02:49
jamie peacock
hundred and seventy two of them so for today
00:02:52
Curt
okay
00:02:53
jamie peacock
yeah So it's about a 12 minute cycle with reloading um to to do four parts, op one, and then the op two is 29 seconds for two parts.
00:02:53
Curt
um
00:03:03
jamie peacock
So really annoying.
00:03:03
Curt
Mm, OK.
00:03:04
jamie peacock
So I'm going stand there for two hours tomorrow morning and just do nothing else. But that's fine.
00:03:09
Curt
Yeah. at least 12 minutes isn't, 12 minutes is better than three minutes, but still not very useful.
00:03:11
jamie peacock
It's just one of those things.
00:03:15
jamie peacock
Yeah. Well, I mean, that that was running today. While that was running, i had Bertha running, finishing. had to go buy material because ordered material short,
Finishing Projects Amid Scheduling Issues
00:03:24
jamie peacock
finishing off 1000 little aim assist thingies.
00:03:27
jamie peacock
So those are now done, I need to clean the machine up to write one of the chips to kind of drain the coolant back into the tank. But I now have nowhere to store the steel chips that I have.
00:03:37
Curt
Ah.
00:03:37
jamie peacock
So again, yeah.
00:03:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:03:39
jamie peacock
So it's on the agenda. But yeah, this this week is because tomorrow, because Wednesday is a public holiday. This week is a little bit problematic for just general. Yeah, everyone wants everything today and tomorrow, and then is' not available on Wednesday.
00:03:52
jamie peacock
So just trying to trying to deal with that.
00:03:55
Curt
yeah Yeah, fair.
00:03:56
jamie peacock
But yeah, what's what's going on in your world?
Challenges in Building Consistent Mechanisms
00:03:59
Curt
Um, that's ton of, I've been working on this little mechanism that I've been like teasing people for like a million years. Um, and I wanted to make it spin and I finally made it spin. It just took like forever to make all these stupid parts. And they're so tiny. Like the parts are like the size of my pinky nail and they're only maybe three mils thick and they have a thread on the back and it's just they impossible to hold anyways i finally found like a reliable way to make them and then the little shaft in the middle is like a one-eighth shaft um titanium of course with threaded ends and like you can't just lathe it because it's got i can but it's got a little torus in the middle and like
00:04:29
jamie peacock
yeah
00:04:32
Curt
Just a bunch of really fiddly annoying parts, but I love that. Like fiddly annoying is like my favorite thing to machine. And anyways, it's behaving so well now, so I'm so jazzed. um So this week I'm just going to do a bunch of production and see if it holds up.
00:04:42
Curt
Like see if the processes hold up when I build, you know, 10, 20 of them, as opposed to like building one of anything is like I tell millions of people, building one of anything is so easy.
00:04:45
jamie peacock
yeah yeah hand sanding
00:04:52
Curt
Like you can you can cut corners, you can do all kinds of things, but you try to build like 10 or 20 of the same thing, then you realize where where you've made mistakes. Yeah.
00:04:59
jamie peacock
Hand sanding one thing is fine. Hand sanding 20 or 30 or 50 of them is not it's not a process.
00:05:05
Curt
Yeah. No, absolutely. And I'm, I'm trying to design this so that it's like actually production friendly. So I could like, I could use your lovely palette system and like, you know, have it queued up at night and rock a bunch of parts and like actually come into the morning and have, have items made that just doesn't take eye bleeding amounts of, you know, handwork to finish.
00:05:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:20
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:24
Curt
So yeah, that's a, yeah.
00:05:25
jamie peacock
Yeah. Okay.
00:05:27
Curt
So yeah, I've been messing around with
00:05:27
jamie peacock
Yeah, I know. It's looking quite spiffy. So are you finally going into production on those?
00:05:31
Curt
Yeah. It kind looked, I think so. Yeah. Like I'm going to, i I did this once already. Like I put it into production once and realized that I just couldn't like, it was so tedious to assemble them.
00:05:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:40
Curt
So i designed all those things out and I'm going to do it again. And I have high hopes that it'll work out. And if if it doesn't work out, then I'm going to go straight into selling them because tons of people are interested, which is a lovely problem.
Customer Relationships and Quality Maintenance
00:05:50
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:50
Curt
um
00:05:51
Curt
People have already said like, I'll buy I'll buy it. Even if it doesn't work. I'm like, that's kind of cool. but So yeah.
00:05:55
jamie peacock
uh yeah that's the right kind of customer to have yeah
00:05:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:58
Curt
Totally. Yeah. Like, ah yeah, it's, it's, it's nice. Like, well, like you said, like customers are like relationships with people are the most important. And that's why I like when I build shit, I try to build it really good so that people to expect that of anything I build. So like, no matter what you build, people are like, Oh, his other crap is good. So this is probably going to be good too. And like, it just, yeah.
00:06:16
jamie peacock
yeah i actually had a very interesting conversation late this afternoon with uh
00:06:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:06:21
jamie peacock
One of the guys who's been, ah started following him on Instagram because he followed Taps and Patience, local apps engineer here from Skok Machine Tools.
00:06:29
Curt
Okay.
00:06:30
jamie peacock
And I got a small care package today from him, including a 25 mil boring bar. He's like, yeah, it had a scratch on it. So the guys sent it back. Brand new boring bar.
00:06:40
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:06:41
jamie peacock
It had a scratch on the black black oxide coating. So the guys were like, no, we don't want it. You must replace it. So he saw it there on the shelf.
00:06:49
Curt
Wow.
00:06:50
jamie peacock
I had mentioned I use one for one of the jobs I do. He's like, eh, send it Jamie, ah along with a full set of, so from 3.3 up
Care Package from Skok Machine Tools
00:06:59
jamie peacock
till 10.2 carbide drills for all the common tap sizes, a set of taps and a bunch of animals to play with, as well as some inserts because I was battling with chip breaking.
00:07:04
Curt
Oh wow.
00:07:08
Curt
Huh.
00:07:10
jamie peacock
Send me some inserts to test all Kyocera stuff and, uh, yumma something taps. yeah, hell of a care package from Scott Machine Tools, which is yeah awesome.
00:07:17
Curt
Hmm. No kidding.
00:07:21
jamie peacock
But I've been chatting to the guy for a long time.
00:07:22
Curt
ah
00:07:24
jamie peacock
ah He was still ripping on Harrison for fearing the man who fears no tap with his 1100. He used to rigid tap everything in that machine. But yeah, very interesting to see the to see the fancy um the fancy stuff they've got.
00:07:38
jamie peacock
And like if their stuff works, I'm just going buy from them. May as well.
00:07:42
Curt
Is that, um and I'm not familiar with them. Are they like a local brand there or am I just, okay.
00:07:46
jamie peacock
They're a local, yeah, they're a local. They bring in the smart machine tools under a different brand. They have them relabeled.
00:07:52
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:07:53
jamie peacock
I can't remember what he said they relabeled them as, but they relabeled them in China or Taiwan, wherever they made.
00:07:56
Curt
Oh.
00:07:59
jamie peacock
and They bring those in. They also, that he was saying to me, like, there's someone else who brings smart machine tools in. but they've got spindle options.
00:08:06
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:08:06
jamie peacock
And they're like, the machine is so cheap, just upgrade the spindle to the best spindle option they have. Like, don't don't stuff around with cheap spindle option. Just put the good spindle in. And it still comes in as a competitively priced machine. So it was a very interesting chat.
00:08:21
jamie peacock
But yeah, he's an apps engineer. He sent me some funny stuff. The guy's like, no, these inserts you've sold us are garbage. He's like, cool, send me a picture of what you're doing. Guy's got a giant ring in a manual lathe.
00:08:31
jamie peacock
The part's like maybe half an inch thick. Giant ring. like, no, it's chattering. like yeah dude you're holding it on three points but what do you expect like the insert's not made of miracles like yeah so i get i get some funny stuff from him it's quite entertaining but yeah he's sends a hell of a hell of a care back to stuff so that's all put one side for me to play with but yeah it's uh it's quite cool um how's your how's your pc oh yeah sorry
00:08:40
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:08:48
Curt
and Yeah.
00:08:53
Curt
Sick.
00:08:58
Curt
I love the juxtaposition. Oh, so i I love the juxtaposition of this industry where you see people just doing like making rocket parts on nothing. And then you see people making absolute garbage and be like, how did you, how did you make it this far in life?
00:09:10
Curt
Like, how did you not get hit by a bus walking across the street?
00:09:12
jamie peacock
How did you not forget to breathe?
00:09:13
Curt
Like, right, exactly. Yeah. It's like, don't chew gum and walk. Cause that's not going to work out for you. Anyways. Um, um, um,
00:09:18
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, there's some interesting stuff there.
00:09:22
Curt
So yeah, ah the PC build, the PC build is going fantastic.
00:09:24
jamie peacock
But yes.
00:09:27
Curt
um I love your new podcast setup that you, um I think, would you graciously steal it from Dylan's podcast? that's like Everything is like color-coded for us now. Like when we go through our topics, yeah Jamie or ah or Danica set it up really nicely.
00:09:35
jamie peacock
Oh yeah. Yeah. yeah Danica did a job.
00:09:40
Curt
So um I'm loving this.
00:09:41
jamie peacock
I did a rough layout and she went and fixed it. So as we're done with the topic, we click the little tick box and the color codes that it's done.
00:09:47
Curt
Oh,
PC Building and Cable Management
00:09:48
Curt
it's so convenient. Yeah.
00:09:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, inspired by Dylan.
00:09:49
Curt
Yeah. yeah so yeah thanks thanks for showing us a light um the uh so the pc is going great i'm putting it together it's like that's my enjoyable thing um it's like my my little zen time in the evening i just i go slowly and i build it now i'm starting to do the wire management that's i like that kind of stuff ah so i'm like taking you know i'm i got velcro this time because i've you know zip ties apparently are the devil for like so i'm velcroing everything and just like
00:10:11
jamie peacock
Yes. But you can get all the LTT stuff without stressing about shipping.
00:10:18
Curt
yeah I just bought a giant roll of, like, cheap, like, thin Velcro that I could just cut it and just use.
00:10:20
jamie peacock
Okay, because I know they they did those and they never sold. It was quite funny.
00:10:26
Curt
oh really? i didn't I didn't even look into them, honestly.
00:10:27
jamie peacock
They did Velcro cable ties and eventually they ended up just like giving the things away because people clearly didn't want to buy them.
00:10:28
Curt
I should have. Yeah.
00:10:35
Curt
I have, like, a crap ton of Velcro cable ties, but they're too big. Like, I like them even smaller, so I just bought a roll.
00:10:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:40
Curt
Anyways, um but one thing...
00:10:40
jamie peacock
yeah I've used that roll stuff on drones back in the day nah just buy it
00:10:44
Curt
Yeah, one thing I did F up, i didn't once again, people, do your research before buying shit. um as i bought I bought those RGB fans, which I really like. They're good fans. um The only problem is like you should have a controller for them because the motherboard just can't cant control the sheer amount of them I have.
00:11:00
Curt
um and then so i was like oh i'm like i guess i'll have to buy the little hub they come a little hub that connects to the usb directly in on the motherboard and uh so i started looking for that hub and it's sold out like on all the distributors i'm like oh it's sold out everywhere i'm like well i'll just go to the manufacturer website and order from them i guess i have to wait when the manufacturer website and is sold out there i'm like wow like i already have all the fans in the case so i'm like i can't drive these very easily um luckily i found it
00:11:01
jamie peacock
okay
00:11:21
jamie peacock
yeah
00:11:25
jamie peacock
Are they not just ARGB fans?
00:11:29
Curt
Uh, they're RGB, so they're not the addressable ones, um, which is, and I could, why, like, I do have an RGB termination, but I'd, I'd have to, like, have so many Y's, because I went stupid on the fans, and then I'd have to have so many Y's off the, like, the PWM for, the like, the speed, and i was just like, I just want a controller, like, I want them to, like, light up differently for
00:11:32
jamie peacock
Oh, okay.
00:11:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, you want to get a hub for it, yeah.
00:11:50
Curt
Yeah. So anyways, I found a local computer shop that's like just south of me and they ah they had the ah um little hub. So I just bought it immediately at like two in the morning because I was like, hey, you have it.
00:11:56
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
00:11:59
Curt
I don't know if anyone else knows this. So I just ordered it and then crossed my fingers that they weren't like, oh, actually, we don't have any stock. So anyways, it's coming. Should be here. And then I can finish that up. So yeah, word to the wise, just check
Researching and Testing Servos
00:12:09
Curt
that kind of crap before.
00:12:09
Curt
Just do your research before you build shit. Don't just get antsy and start ordering parts.
00:12:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:12:14
jamie peacock
Well, speaking of speaking of research, that's what I've been doing for the last week.
00:12:15
Curt
So.
00:12:20
Curt
Ooh, what have you been researching?
00:12:21
jamie peacock
Yes. Yes. I've been researching servos and all sorts of other fun things regarding the lathe. So I bought servos.
00:12:29
Curt
Well, okay.
00:12:32
Curt
Okay, what kind of servers did you buy?
00:12:34
jamie peacock
750 watt EtherCAT compatible servos. By default, they come EtherCAT, but they can be run step and direction if I can't get that to work.
00:12:37
Curt
Ooh.
00:12:43
Curt
I was just oddly enough talking with a customer or not customer, a friend who was looking at servos and I was like, I know the guy to talk to. So tell me, tell me more.
00:12:51
jamie peacock
Yeah, so all these, i don't know, we'll see when they arrive. Like, that's the first thing I've ordered for the new machine, just so that I can get them in and I can start seeing if i can get it to work on the bench. Like, that's going to be the first thing I try and do is get that working on the bench.
00:13:01
Curt
Okay.
00:13:03
jamie peacock
There's a section in the manual about using the internal homing function. asked the supplier if they had software for setting these things up. Nope.
00:13:15
jamie peacock
They've got an XML file for configuring EtherCAT, and that's about it.
00:13:15
Curt
Ooh.
00:13:19
jamie peacock
So I'm just going to plug them into LinuxCNC and brute force my way through it.
00:13:19
Curt
Ooh.
00:13:22
jamie peacock
I've printed the manual, all 200 pages of it.
00:13:23
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:13:25
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:13:26
jamie peacock
And then I realized, hey, I can just give this to ChatGPT and ask it questions. So I did that today. because I was curious about auto-tuning.
00:13:31
Curt
Smart.
00:13:33
jamie peacock
And it's got a bunch of built-in auto-tuning functions, because that's my biggest concern with servos. You don't think I can need back and forth.
00:13:38
Curt
Yep.
00:13:39
jamie peacock
You want... Yeah. It's got some pretty good built-in stuff by the looks of it. So I'm now going to keep harassing ChatGPT about the homing functions and all that because want to make sure if I can get all the homing to be done on the drive, and LinuxCNC says, hey, drive, what is your position? And the drive says, hi, I'm here.
00:13:59
jamie peacock
That's good enough for me. Like... then the position control is handled by the drive, not by Linux CNC, which means it should, in theory, um repeat a little bit better.
00:14:01
Curt
Totally.
00:14:11
jamie peacock
But yeah, I was, yeah. 300, hang on one, oh no, my AliExpress tab's gone. um It went out in Euros for some reason, because AliExpress is AliExpress.
00:14:12
Curt
What do they ah what do they do they set you back cash-wise?
00:14:26
jamie peacock
um One moment, please. I'm just going to log in into my PayPal and I'll tell you exactly what it cost. Because it'll convert it to to dollar a dues for me. um So yeah, anyway, I bought those and then was looking for chucks because now i want a 125mm front bolting split jaw chuck, three jaw chuck, just a manual chuck.
00:14:49
jamie peacock
Because I do some stuff that I want to do on a manual chuck.
00:14:49
Curt
okay
00:14:52
jamie peacock
I need it to keep my current capability. I need that chuck. So... Just open this thing quickly. No, not that thing. ah Ah, there we go.
00:15:03
jamie peacock
Sorry, getting distracted as one does. Recent activity. um time So anyway, was looking on AliExpress, cannot find one. And I know better than to buy a chuck from AliExpress because I've done this and ended up selling it to a customer because it was a hot piece of garbage.
00:15:18
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:15:20
jamie peacock
And then I was like hang on, Eason Vertex, it's a local company, they do chucks and like machine tool accessories and stuff. Went on their website, they've got 130mm front bolting, like basically everything I need. So I've got to buy a A2-5 to...
00:15:36
jamie peacock
a 2-4 adapter and then i'll just turn on the lathe i'll bolt it to the face turn the step to locate the chuck and then put in the mill and just drill the holes in it and then i've got manual chuck on my cnc lathe which is fine i don't need uh more than that um 312 euros is how much the servos were um i'm gonna put it into the godwell
00:15:56
Curt
Nice.
00:15:59
Curt
Okay. Okay, so... Yeah, moderately priced.
00:16:04
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, they they weren't they weren't particularly expensive.
00:16:05
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:08
Curt
They're a chunk...
00:16:08
jamie peacock
$370. Yeah.
00:16:10
Curt
That's a chunky servo, too, 750 watt. Like, that's a medium-sized servo.
00:16:12
jamie peacock
yeah I wanted to go for one kilowatt, but I couldn't find decent EtherCAT drive ones at one kilowatt. So I was like, it's fine.
00:16:20
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:16:21
jamie peacock
750 watt should be more than adequate. And then that's shipped with FedEx, so it should be ah in like a week and a half, would say.
00:16:29
Curt
Oh, cool.
00:16:29
jamie peacock
And then burnt the Linux ISO to the Raspberry Pi.
00:16:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:34
jamie peacock
But then I cannot find my M2.5 standoffs. So that's sitting a little box waiting to be assembled. And then today we were at um we were at the machine today.
00:16:45
jamie peacock
it's just I went to go look at some other stuff, which we'll get to later.
Machine Control System Layout Planning
00:16:49
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, I spoke to the Finuc guys because they saw the post of... the name suggestions, which we'll get to later as well.
00:16:58
jamie peacock
um ah They saw them like, hey, if you need spares, reach out. I'm like, do you want spares? So I got chatting to them and they're like, they just want to know the serial number and the...
00:17:05
Curt
Right. Mm.
00:17:08
jamie peacock
product number on the actual controller units and the drives and whatnot. So I went and I powered the machine on today because I hadn't seen it powered on. But obviously it doesn't have parameters. So you can't drive it around.
00:17:21
jamie peacock
ah they Powered on powers on took pictures of all that stuff, sent them and waiting for them to make me an offer.
00:17:21
Curt
right
00:17:26
jamie peacock
Also discovered that it's got a giant step down transformer from 380 to 220 volts, which means gonna list that on marketplace.
00:17:35
Curt
Yeah, why not? yeah a bunch of iron and copper.
00:17:36
jamie peacock
So what i did that's what I did with Bertha.
00:17:37
Curt
Yeah,
00:17:39
jamie peacock
I found a transformer in the bottom of Bertha that weighed like 100 kilograms. And I think it was a 10kVA, sold it off, recouped like a quarter of the cost of Bertha. So um'm I'm just parting this machine out at this point.
00:17:52
jamie peacock
Like any way I can get a buck back, I'm getting a buck back. um
00:17:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:56
jamie peacock
And then I was having a look and and planning out the controller. So on the side where the controller faces, there's a section where there's a bunch of relays. I'm going put all my control stuff there so it's as far from the high voltage electronics as possible and they and got like a bunch of sheet metal between it and then have all my high voltage at the back of the machine.
00:18:16
jamie peacock
in an attempt to eliminate EMI as much as possible.
00:18:20
Curt
if the uh if the manufacturer came back to you and said hey we have a whole list of parameters for the machine would you leave the stock control or is there more issues with it or you just don't want to deal with it ah okay okay fair or you probably would have to well you wouldn't have to drip it i guess it's a lathe but still yeah
00:18:26
jamie peacock
No. I'd fucking burn that for Nook in a hot second.
00:18:32
jamie peacock
Yeah, I don't want to live in the fucking 80s, thank you. Like, I will... No, but no, not even... The thing is, I don't know what else is missing on the machine.
00:18:44
jamie peacock
Whereas if I go through it, like I don't know if there's relays missing for functionality.
00:18:45
Curt
there Yeah.
00:18:49
jamie peacock
If I'm going through it, I'm going to go through and add all the stuff I want so and know how to operate everything. And also the panel looks ugly. So I need to still figure out what screen I'm using, which, yes, that was actually a thing in the doc as well.
00:19:02
jamie peacock
Jeez, I wrote everything in the doc this week.
00:19:05
Curt
Wow.
00:19:06
jamie peacock
Your Linux CNC installs, what screens are you running? What aspect ratios?
00:19:10
Curt
um They're like four by threes or something. Just dirt cheap screens. Yeah.
00:19:13
jamie peacock
The square ones.
00:19:15
Curt
Yeah, yeah, they're just like, yeah.
00:19:16
jamie peacock
Okay, like a proper person. Yeah, but they're square aspect ratio. They're not not widescreen.
00:19:20
Curt
Well, it works, no, it works better for Linux, it seems, anyways. Just, don't know, visually looks better.
00:19:25
jamie peacock
I've got one of each. Two widescreens one of the
00:19:29
Curt
Mm, okay.
00:19:29
jamie peacock
two wides screenens in one of the not wide screens. So yeah, I'm gonna mess around with that because I need to integrate it into where the FNUC controller is. So i'm thinking of getting a stainless steel bezel made with a tray that slots in and out from I'm using a keyboard with a built in trackpad.
00:19:40
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:19:46
jamie peacock
So I don't have to have a mouse.
00:19:46
Curt
I
00:19:47
jamie peacock
I've got one on on the encoder works beautifully. I just want that stowed and then I'll do a panel with all my buttons and stuff.
00:19:53
Curt
like how...
00:19:54
jamie peacock
But already, yeah, that's all that's all planned out. There's been a lot of planning and forethought going into this build. Like to the point that I'm considering making electrical drawings before I even get the machine.
00:20:00
Curt
like
00:20:04
jamie peacock
So when it comes to wiring it, I can just wire it.
00:20:05
Curt
ah like how
00:20:09
Curt
I like how the juxtaposition between like our two little weird for like my forays into PCs and your forays into this late, like you've done all the research. You haven't even bought it yet. You have like everything in place. Whereas I was like, had parts coming to me and I'm like, okay, now what does a CPU do? like
00:20:26
jamie peacock
Yeah, I've got i've gone a little bit over the like in the deep end on this one.
00:20:27
Curt
Like that bad, but yeah.
00:20:29
jamie peacock
I also discovered some interesting stuff. So my so Bertha runs 173 E collards. So does the new machine.
00:20:37
jamie peacock
So ah found I found was like last night because I know what college trucks are there. It's Kitagawa. um so I think CL42 or something. It's missing the faceplate. So I was like, let me find a manual, read up on this truck a little bit, because I'm obviously going make a new faceplate of that.
00:20:37
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:20:51
jamie peacock
I'll just make a drawing of it, make one out of K110, have it heat treated and whatnot.
00:20:53
Curt
Hmm.
00:20:55
jamie peacock
um Found the manual. Turns out that there's more options for collets. So 173E comes in half millimeter increments. It's actually meant as a second op collet.
00:21:07
jamie peacock
Then you get the variable and the rubber flex collets, which have a lot more range, like two millimeters of range and really grippy jaws like serrations for running raw bar stock.
00:21:20
jamie peacock
They're a lot shorter. But they meant for your op ones. And when I was ToolSave today, I was like, hey, they've got some some of the variable ones.
00:21:25
Curt
Interesting.
00:21:31
jamie peacock
So I might just go there and pick up all their collets that they have. Because they're like, yeah I think they're like $10 a collet, secondhand collets.
00:21:35
Curt
Interesting.
00:21:39
jamie peacock
So I'll just go there and make sure they fit and just pick up all the collets.
00:21:39
Curt
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:21:41
jamie peacock
Like, why not? May as well buy them.
00:21:43
Curt
Totally. Yeah.
00:21:44
jamie peacock
But yeah, it was quite interesting but to learn that because you were on a 173E, it's a 173E collet. That's the option. But no, it turns out there's things with the same taper, but different mechanisms at play that allow for larger travel.
00:21:58
Curt
Hmm.
00:21:59
jamie peacock
So very, very interesting reading the manual on that.
00:22:03
Curt
Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, that'd be useful.
00:22:05
jamie peacock
Yeah, I run so we run 30 millimeter bar stock. Generally speaking, it comes in at 30.4 to 30.6. And then we had a batch come in at 29.9. And my collet, I had a 31 collet that wouldn't grab it.
00:22:18
jamie peacock
So I had to go buy 30 millimeter collet to be able to grab the material, just pushing back when we drilled it.
00:22:19
Curt
Yeah.
00:22:23
jamie peacock
So yeah, it would have been nice to know
Titanium Rods and Collet Complications
00:22:25
jamie peacock
that. But you live and you learn.
00:22:27
Curt
ah I learned on Friday, I was a dum-dum when I bought, I bought a bunch titanium rod and everybody wants to buy a half inch rod because everybody thinks in half inch. But 13 mil was cheaper, like significantly cheaper.
00:22:40
Curt
I was like, you know what? F it. I'm like, I'll just buy some 13 mil.
00:22:43
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:43
Curt
And I'm like, I'll go buy a 13 mil collet. Like, that's not that. It's a 5C. I can basically get them at 711.
00:22:46
jamie peacock
yeah
00:22:49
Curt
And I was like, won't you worry about it? Ordered the ah titanium. Completely forgot that I ordered. It's over five. Like, it's over half inch. um
00:22:57
jamie peacock
yeah
00:22:57
Curt
And went to, for these little mechanism parts. And then went to put a bar in the in the hard inch. And they're all like hard inch collets. They're nice collets.
00:23:04
jamie peacock
yeah
00:23:04
Curt
And I'm like, why is this so tight? I'm like, oh, Kurt, you're a dumb Because they're all, all the bars big. So I turned one bar down on the manual lathe like a sucker just to get it to fit in the collet.
00:23:13
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:15
Curt
I was like, okay, now I'm going to go out and buy 13 mil. So yeah, I kind of shot myself in the foot. But I mean, it it easily, like the cost savings easily pay for a collet. And does it pay for my time of, you know, fucking around with this last bar?
00:23:23
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:26
Curt
Probably not. But hey, let's not talk about that.
00:23:28
jamie peacock
Nah. You live and you learn.
00:23:31
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:23:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, no.
00:23:31
Curt
So.
00:23:32
jamie peacock
You live and you learn. Like, this there's always things like that where you think you have a solution and then you don't.
00:23:37
Curt
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:23:38
jamie peacock
Being there, can't buy a half-inch collets here. No one stocks half-inch 5Cs.
00:23:41
Curt
Fair, yeah.
00:23:43
jamie peacock
Barely anyone stocks 5Cs. um But yeah, they're one-millimeter increments. Like it's...
00:23:49
Curt
Yeah, it makes sense.
00:23:51
jamie peacock
Even the 173Es, one-millimeter increments. Not half mil, one mil. And they don't stock any of the imperial sizes.
00:23:57
Curt
Right.
00:24:00
Curt
Well, yeah, and I'd say metric is probably your stock sizes are just common in metric there.
00:24:01
jamie peacock
Which...
00:24:05
jamie peacock
No. So... Aluminium, I'll order 25 millimeter round bar and you'll get 25 one day and the next day it'll be one inch.
00:24:15
jamie peacock
I've actually phoned my cousin and sworn at her because I'm like, I ordered 25.
00:24:15
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:24:16
Curt
well
00:24:19
jamie peacock
You've sent me one inch. Like, yes, I know it's only 24 of a mil, but now it doesn't fit anything that I want to run it in.
00:24:21
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:25
jamie peacock
Like it doesn't fit my collets.
00:24:25
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:24:26
jamie peacock
Now I've got to make a plan. I've got to go and beg and borrow and get someone to wire cut a collet for me because I can't buy one inch collets. So it's
00:24:34
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:35
jamie peacock
But yeah a lot of the a lot of the aluminium still in inch sizes of your extrusions.
00:24:36
Curt
Hmm.
00:24:41
jamie peacock
um The rest is all pretty much metric.
00:24:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:45
jamie peacock
But I mean, I can go by inch size BMS if I want, like the guy's stock it. I've bought it before for jobs.
00:24:53
Curt
yeah
00:24:54
jamie peacock
So Oh, oh, you haven't built your PC yet.
00:24:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:57
jamie peacock
So you clearly not on Windows 11. And not driving the struggle bus.
00:24:59
Curt
No. Oh, why? Tell me about what I'm, what I'm in for.
00:25:04
jamie peacock
Just stupid little things that I've noticed, like my web browser every now and again. Like freeze. don't know. Weird shit. um Just small, small things I've noticed just because upgraded last week. And yeah, I want to go back, but it is what it is.
00:25:21
jamie peacock
I'll suck the fuck up and just carry on. um Yeah, I don't know. It's fine. Let me not complain about it too much.
00:25:28
jamie peacock
I assume it'll get less shit as we go on.
00:25:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:31
Curt
Yeah. I know I'm already looking up like how to bypass, like completely uninstall OneDrive and like all the dumb things that annoy me with Windows 10 where it's like, I don't care about OneDrive and I don't care about Xbox pass.
00:25:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:41
Curt
Like I don't have any of these things.
00:25:42
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:43
Curt
Quit bugging me. Like I'll pay, I'll pay you.
00:25:43
jamie peacock
stop Stop being adware. Yeah.
00:25:45
jamie peacock
Stop being fucking adware.
00:25:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:46
Curt
I'll pay for you. I know.
00:25:47
jamie peacock
So i actually I actually activated the Windows on my PC because I knew I wanted to customize the layout because I hate the fucking middle taskbar bullshit.
00:25:48
Curt
I know.
00:25:52
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:57
jamie peacock
And I know that the personalization stuff is usually off limits if you don't have an activated version of Windows.
00:25:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:04
jamie peacock
There's ways around it, but I was like, I'll just pay the $5 for a key online, activate my windows and then upgrade to 11.
00:26:11
Curt
yeah
00:26:13
jamie peacock
So I did that on the work PC. I haven't done it on this one yet.
00:26:17
Curt
Yeah, I was a ah was a super loser in that regard and actually bought a like Windows license, which is heinously expensive. Don't do it that way.
00:26:25
jamie peacock
Yo.
00:26:25
Curt
Just go and buy the $5 activation keys. But the nice thing is I can just like, it never like, my key is good forever.
00:26:27
jamie peacock
hundred percent
00:26:33
Curt
Like it never, like, but I mean, five bucks versus like whatever, a hundred and something.
00:26:33
jamie peacock
yeah
00:26:38
Curt
It's like, I could have bought a lot of temporary ones.
00:26:39
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:42
jamie peacock
Microsoft doesn't need my money.
00:26:42
Curt
So yeah, they're doing okay.
00:26:44
jamie peacock
um They have enough of their own like quite like we're discussing if we could go to Linux, we would be there in a heartbeat. Like, it wouldn't even be a fucking question.
00:26:51
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:26:56
jamie peacock
Okay, before we continue, I'm going to shout out our Patreons. We've got some special stuff coming up for the Patreons as well. But first, let's thank the top tier Patreons and the new Patreon we got.
00:26:56
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:02
Curt
Mm.
00:27:05
jamie peacock
So, thank you to Jade from Benchmark20, Luke from Fabtastic, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing, and 15 other companies, ah EJ from Nocturnal Welding, Jason S, and the Aussie Machinist who joined us today.
00:27:13
Curt
Ooh.
00:27:18
jamie peacock
Thanks, Ash. Look forward to seeing you at IMTS.
00:27:19
Curt
who
00:27:22
Curt
Hmm.
00:27:22
jamie peacock
And then with regards to our... Patreons, there will be a poll going up when this podcast goes live where you get to vote on the name of my new machine.
00:27:33
jamie peacock
There are 10 names.
00:27:33
Curt
Hmm.
00:27:35
jamie peacock
I don't know what...
00:27:35
Curt
Hmm.
00:27:37
jamie peacock
Why not? Let me tell everyone what they are. Danica's adding them to the poll. We have got Edna. Not a fan.
00:27:46
Curt
Ooh. I kind of like that one.
00:27:47
jamie peacock
Spinderella.
00:27:49
Curt
Ha ha ha ha.
00:27:49
jamie peacock
Glenda the... Glenda the Goodlathe. which I'm kind of partial to Glenda, GubGub, Gina Green, Earl, Optimus Grime, The Avocado, Green Goblin, and Sir Laithelot.
00:28:01
Curt
I like that one.
00:28:09
jamie peacock
The others got taken off for being a little too vulgar or a little bit dumb. So yeah, those are the 10.
00:28:14
Curt
i was i was i was kind of sold on Optimus Grime, but now Spinderella has me.
00:28:15
jamie peacock
Yeah. yeah
00:28:20
Curt
Ah, they're both so good.
00:28:22
jamie peacock
So yeah, all the Patreons get to vote. The top tier Patreons, their votes are going to count as double because they get exclusive voting privileges. So yeah, that poll will go up and then whatever they decide, at least it's not Lady MacLea face.
00:28:28
Curt
Ooh.
00:28:33
jamie peacock
um
00:28:34
Curt
ah That's true. That's true.
00:28:34
jamie peacock
I was kind of expecting that. So yeah, there will be a poll for the Patreons as one of the benefits of being a patron, you get to name my new machine.
Patreon Perks and Community Engagement
00:28:43
jamie peacock
And then there's also after shows for the Patreons. So that's available through Patreon and Kurt and I normally discuss sensitive topics in the after show
00:28:53
Curt
Yeah. And what we should try to do is we can, now that we have a fancy like setup here that we can see what we're actually trying to remember, um we could tease the, the after show and then actually talk about what we tease as opposed to like every week we're like, we're going to talk about this in the after show and then we get in the after show.
00:29:05
jamie peacock
yes yeah i forgot what i teased last week i listened to yeah
00:29:08
Curt
We're like, what are we going to talk about again? I don't remember. Let's rant about this. And then I know it was interesting. I listened to the podcast and then it was not in the after show. And i was like, whoopsie. Yeah.
00:29:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, we need to figure out what that was because I wanted to talk about and then, yeah, obviously forgot because that happens.
00:29:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:29:24
jamie peacock
Oh, you forgot to tick one.
00:29:25
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:26
jamie peacock
There we go. I'll tick it for you.
00:29:28
Curt
Actually, there's more to it.
00:29:28
jamie peacock
Oh, there's more.
00:29:29
Curt
That's why I didn't take it so
00:29:30
jamie peacock
Okay, well, then dive in.
00:29:32
Curt
Okay, well, this is ah this is a one weird thing. So on this little mechanism I'm building, um it's it's a tube. And for the easiest way to explain it, i' think of like a coupling nut, like a long nut, where you put a bolt in. You can put a bolt in either side.
00:29:46
Curt
That's the easy part, right? You can bolts in, you tighten them up, they tighten against one another. Now to take them both apart. That's the part that took me like a week to figure out. Cause you can always take one bolt out. That's easy. Cause one is usually going to break loose.
00:29:54
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:29:56
Curt
Sometimes you'll get lucky and both will break loose, but very, very unlikely, very unlikely. So I can get one out. And now imagine that you have to take that bolt out, but you can't touch the coupling nut. Cause in this instance, it's hidden inside the entire mechanism.
00:30:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:08
Curt
So was like, how in the F am I going to get this other side off without being able to fix that shaft? And it's, this is ah three millimeter shaft. So it's tiny. Um, What I was going to do is I was going to reach down where I have the thread with a long tool and mill a little slot or a Torx if I could, but I would need like a, like the threaded portion is like a quarter inch long.
00:30:22
jamie peacock
And Miller talks. Yeah.
00:30:28
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:29
Curt
And then I would need a 10 thou tools. I need like a 10 thou half inch stick. out It's like, that's going to be it like machining with a hair. So I think what I'm going to do is just put a little, a little slot um just in threaded section.
00:30:41
Curt
put like a little precision screwdriver in and then break it free.
00:30:42
jamie peacock
yeah
00:30:43
Curt
But that took me, We went on a drive to whatever the other side of the city, and ah my wife was talking to me. i was just staring out the window, and I'm sure she thought I was mad or something like that.
00:30:53
Curt
in my head, I was just rolling around this idea of like, how the hell am I going to fix that? So anyways, got it got it fixed.
00:30:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, at least you got it sorted out by, yeah.
00:31:01
Curt
Got it sorted out.
00:31:01
jamie peacock
Because I saw you had some stories about it.
00:31:04
Curt
yeah i was it was Yeah, I was kind of kicking my ass, off but happy. ah be oh i don't I mean, it should work.
00:31:08
jamie peacock
look
00:31:09
Curt
It works on my head. I haven't done it yet. and That's today's job, but it should work.
00:31:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, it works in theory, but theory and practice are not always the same.
00:31:15
Curt
Yeah, and they rarely line up.
00:31:18
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. No, that sounds like a good
Eccentric Press and Production Improvements
00:31:20
jamie peacock
plan. I mean, just ah that' a flat effectively a flat screwdriver and you're good, as long as it's the right size.
00:31:21
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:27
jamie peacock
That would be only concern.
00:31:27
Curt
It's also tiny. I'm just i just so concerned because like it's thin walls everywhere. like Everything is like 10,000 wall, 15,000 wall.
00:31:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:31:34
Curt
It's titanium, though. It should be it should be robust enough. so
00:31:36
jamie peacock
It should be okay.
00:31:37
jamie peacock
as oh yeah I was going to say, what about going tri-lobe, like three lines, but then if the they use a tri-lobe driver that's angled and they put too much force, it's going to flare open.
00:31:37
Curt
We'll find out.
00:31:46
Curt
Totally, yeah.
00:31:46
jamie peacock
So yeah, I'd rather just go with flat.
00:31:49
Curt
Yeah, everyone can find... You can find something in a flag. you can find a little knife blade or something. Triload, people are to yell at me.
00:31:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, about enough.
00:31:55
Curt
Yeah, totally, right? Anything. So, yeah, that's my fun.
00:31:57
jamie peacock
But enough, ultimate multi-tool. Someone used one of my forks to do something, and the fucking three of the forks straight, and one does a little bend down. It's super annoying to eat with. It's like, why is this thing touching my teeth?
00:32:10
Curt
ah
00:32:10
jamie peacock
adopt
00:32:11
Curt
If only you had a giant machine shop where you could fix said item.
00:32:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, well, now I have a press that I can straighten it with.
00:32:17
Curt
Ooh, perfect segue.
00:32:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, there we go. Yeah, so I bought an eccentric, well, I told him I'm buying an eccentric press today. So I assemble the Torx bits and the aim assists in a one-tonne arbor press with a one and a half meter cheetah bar.
00:32:35
Curt
Okay.
00:32:36
jamie peacock
So the whole press does this and opens.
00:32:37
Curt
Sounds fun. ah
00:32:39
jamie peacock
Also, I have to grab it and pull a thousand times.
00:32:40
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:32:43
jamie peacock
So kind of got over that, so I went down to toolsafe today.
00:32:44
Curt
Right.
00:32:48
jamie peacock
wear the new laters as well. um And I was like, you have a little thing.
00:32:51
Curt
Okay.
00:32:52
jamie peacock
It's like $300 for a little single phase eccentric press, little two and half ton. I'm like, pull it out, put power, please. I want a test. I took 10 parts worth, then found some spaces, all sorts of crap that was laying around until I got the heart right, because it's not an adjustable stroke.
00:33:09
jamie peacock
It's all an adjustable heart. It's a fixed heart. Got it lined up, got spaced up, and then katunk.
00:33:14
Curt
okay
00:33:17
jamie peacock
or actually more like, because it's really fast. But hit the thing, perfect. So now I'm going to go pick that up.
00:33:25
Curt
Okay.
00:33:25
jamie peacock
I need to build a controller for it because getting it to only cycle once is a really difficult. So I'm going to make myself a a little circuit that basically you hit the buttons, it will trigger it as soon as it detects moving, it'll disengage.
00:33:42
jamie peacock
So it'll do one revolution won't double stroke, because I don't want to double stroking.
00:33:45
Curt
Right, okay.
00:33:47
jamie peacock
um Because it's really quick, but then I can literally slap the thing in the fixture, put the fixture into it, hit the button, cut chunk, throw it out instead of 1000 times, like it's going to pay for itself in the first in the first 500 bucks, like, it's well worth
00:33:57
Curt
and so
00:34:03
Curt
So those, they look like little power hammers, right? Like they just like the strokes are like diggity-diggy, they go up and down.
00:34:08
jamie peacock
yeah
00:34:10
Curt
If you just turn them on, it's brrrr.
00:34:11
jamie peacock
yeah so it's basically just a big flywheel with an eccentric shaft um and it works with a roll key so the flywheel spins on the shaft and then you as it comes around you engage the roll key it then locks to the eccentric spins around and then the roll key needs to disengage then the flywheel keeps going but the shaft is stopped
00:34:12
Curt
Okay, okay, I gotcha.
00:34:23
Curt
Oh.
00:34:31
Curt
Okay, I gotcha, yeah.
00:34:31
jamie peacock
And then, yeah, you pull a foot pedal and then it allows the roll key to engage again. But yeah, the roll keys, they wear out over time and shit like that. But it's a it's a pretty cheap little machine.
00:34:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:42
jamie peacock
So I'm going to pick it up and play with it. And then hopefully not lose any fingers.
00:34:45
Curt
Cool, cool.
00:34:46
jamie peacock
so
00:34:48
Curt
ah Yeah, that's a good machine for that.
00:34:48
jamie peacock
But also, it opens up it opens up the opportunity to do some pressing work if I really want to. Like I could build press tools and press simple, simple stuff like...
00:34:55
Curt
Right.
00:34:58
jamie peacock
electrical connectors and shit like that just chunk chunk chunk I might actually use it for punching a hole in a pot that we do one of them diesel sensors instead of drilling the vent hole I want to punch the vent hole that way it deforms the material and makes a hole which will prevent it from coming loose at all ever
00:35:01
Curt
Right, yeah,
00:35:05
Curt
yeah.
00:35:17
Curt
Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:18
jamie peacock
because it's now punched fucking hole, not just the swaged together thing. So i might just look at putting them onto the eccentric as well. And then just put foot pedal, three times, take it out.
00:35:29
jamie peacock
And you've got the thing really together or as together as it's ever going to be.
00:35:32
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:33
jamie peacock
So we'll see. Like once you got it, you'll find uses for it. It's one of those things.
00:35:37
jamie peacock
It's also like $300. It's not expensive. it's not expensive
00:35:37
Curt
Totally, yeah.
00:35:40
Curt
Oh, OK, yeah, yeah.
00:35:41
jamie peacock
Danica was a little annoyed with me for wanting to buy it. I'm like, you do realize a two-tonne arbor press costs the same. I may as well get something that's a lot quicker and a lot less effort for me. Because she was oh, but just assemble things. I'm like, yeah, on a batch of 1,000, you assemble 100, and then you fucking go and hide, and I assembled the other 900.
00:35:59
jamie peacock
So you don't actually get a fucking vote. Like, I'm the one who does all the assembly. I will buy the tools I want to buy to do it. Like, I was considering making an hydraulic press for it, but i was like, and Eccentric's going to use less power.
00:36:07
Curt
right
00:36:13
Curt
that is true yeah yeah that is true yeah yeah and you could smash the piss out of your fingers when the mechanisms go wrong yeah oh okay
00:36:14
jamie peacock
And then I have an eccentric press, which is cool.
00:36:20
jamie peacock
No intention to do that. It's actually got a very fucking high tool area of not throw it's daylight. It's really hard. So I've got to make a thing for the top and then I've got to make a riser for the bottom for my current tooling to work.
00:36:33
jamie peacock
So my hands will be nowhere fucking near anything that's going to pitch like there's going to be a good probably five inches um of clearance like fucking I'm not I'm not too stressed.
00:36:37
Curt
yeah Yeah, fair.
00:36:43
jamie peacock
I'll hold it in there while it punches. Because nothing nothing ever gets closer than like fucking 100 mils. So yeah, it's not going to crush my hand unless my hand gets really big all of a sudden.
00:36:55
Curt
Fair for fair.
00:36:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, like it's not particularly unsafe. Just don't tell OSHA.
00:37:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:37:00
jamie peacock
Because they're a whiny bunch of little bitches. But yeah, so I went and got that today and then fondled a new lathe because that has been the the biggest thing in my life at the moment.
00:37:11
Curt
Yeah, well, no fair. like It's going to replace one your main production units, so it makes sense.
00:37:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, I mean, Bertha did 1000 parts since Friday.
00:37:19
Curt
Wow.
00:37:20
jamie peacock
Only reason it finished 1000 today was because I ran out of material on Sunday. um Some smart deck ordered the wrong amount of materials meant to order for six meter lens cut to three meters. And I ordered for three meter lens.
00:37:32
jamie peacock
And when I ordered on like, this seems of a bit cheaper than usual, but yeah whatever.
00:37:33
Curt
Hmm.
00:37:36
jamie peacock
And yeah, now I know why it was a bit cheaper because I've not all the material I needed. um But yeah, Bertha's been running. Turns out if you tighten the insert on your snowflake cutter, it works a hell of a lot better.
00:37:47
jamie peacock
I was having inconsistency and I'm like, what is going on? Just hadn't tightened the insert properly, so it was coming loose over time.
00:37:54
Curt
nice fix
00:37:54
jamie peacock
But yeah, but it works well. And then I've got some, I'm waiting for aluminium tomorrow. that I can run that on Bertha, 80 diameter aluminium, that's always fun, especially considering the tool clears.
00:38:08
jamie peacock
The roughing tool, I use the jaws backwards. Yeah, I use the to grip externally, so you turn the jaws around for gripping bigger diameters.
00:38:19
jamie peacock
And when I come in for the finish pass, it clears by like a millimetre on the front of the tool in relation to the jaw.
00:38:26
Curt
ah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:27
jamie peacock
Clearance is clearance, like, but yeah, a little terrifying.
00:38:30
Curt
those are the Those are the scary ones, though, because you've got a lot of inertia spinning on...
00:38:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:38:35
Curt
who
00:38:35
jamie peacock
So, yeah, it's lots of fun. So that'll get set up. That'll get set up tomorrow with a three-jaw manual, three-jaw chucking Bertha, and then that'll get run. And then I'm not entirely sure Bertha is going to have that much to do until she goes.
00:38:49
jamie peacock
Like, I've got another order for Torx Spitz, so I'll have to do another 1,000 aim assists, but I don't know. The other lathe might be here by then. Who knows?
00:38:57
Curt
Yeah.
Workshop Reorganization for Workflow Efficiency
00:38:59
jamie peacock
So, yeah, we'll see.
00:38:59
Curt
Well, I guess you're going to have to play Tetris to get that in anyways, so it's probably nice if you're not running it to the last minute.
00:39:03
jamie peacock
ah Well, yeah, that it's going to run to the last minute.
00:39:05
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:07
jamie peacock
So the guy that I sold it sent me a message on Sunday, hey can you send me some pictures and video of the machine? He's trying to figure out how he's going to fit it, where it's going. So I'm like, cool, here you
00:39:14
Curt
Hmm.
00:39:16
jamie peacock
The back cover, i haven't I've opened twice in four years, ah so you don't need to worry about that. And then you need this area open and this area open.
00:39:22
Curt
Cool.
00:39:23
jamie peacock
I just explained and sent some pictures and stuff so he can figure out where he's putting it. And then we'll see probably in the next two weeks or so, I'll have the machine rigged in and then climb into the electricals, get that sorted out over a week or two, and then have the machine put in place.
00:39:39
jamie peacock
But then there's other question of the EMCO has to come out to get Bertha out. Do I pull the slow EO out as well?
00:39:51
jamie peacock
Put Bertha deep in the workshop, put the good way in, and then put the slow EO by the door, as in you're the next one fucking out.
00:40:01
Curt
oh Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah.
00:40:02
jamie peacock
Because then I don't have to rig all the machines out of the way, or do I commit to having the slow EO for the next little while until I build my new workshop?
00:40:11
Curt
guess it depends what you but you'll get more value out if you get more value out of it as a machine or if you get more value out of it as cash. like
00:40:17
jamie peacock
It's a more sentimental thing, unfortunately.
00:40:20
Curt
Yeah, no, I get that. I get that.
00:40:21
jamie peacock
Like, it's one of those, like, it fucking barely runs, but it's nice to have.
00:40:26
Curt
Yeah. I mean, that's that's reason I will likely never sell mine.
00:40:26
jamie peacock
So we... Yeah.
00:40:29
Curt
It's just sentimental.
00:40:29
jamie peacock
Yeah,
00:40:30
Curt
like ah um'm like I don't care about the cash that I'll get for it. so
00:40:32
jamie peacock
yeah well, that's the thing. I'm not going to get enough cash for it that it's going to justify selling us. um
00:40:37
Curt
Totally. Yeah.
00:40:37
jamie peacock
We're actually picking up, we're hopefully picking up some more just stupid part work this week. So... I've got a rep who goes and does su supply stuff. So sells welding rods and pneumatic fittings and stuff.
00:40:50
jamie peacock
I just do the invoicing because I have ah i have a VAT number. So she was at one of her customers and they're like, oh, no, we need these parts made. So they sent samples. I'm waiting for drawings and they want to come visit me this week.
00:41:03
jamie peacock
potentially pick up making like a thousand or two thousand of these little brass components like simple parts it's literally face it turn the od part it off and then it's got to go in a jig unfortunately to do a cross hole um thousand of each there's two different variants thousand of each a month i'm like sweet sounds good to me might be able to justify replacing the new lathe with a c-axis lathe because yeah unfortunately um
00:41:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:27
Curt
That'd be nice. That'd be nice.
00:41:31
jamie peacock
What's the the guy's smart, smart lathe? They go seven and then 25. I'm like, damn it.
00:41:37
jamie peacock
I need like a 12. And then I would have been happy.
00:41:37
Curt
yeah
00:41:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:41
jamie peacock
Like, because don't want to buy another 25 millimeter lathe.
00:41:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:44
jamie peacock
I have the Emco.
00:41:46
Curt
Yeah. Same, same in their Swiss land. They go from like six mil, which I'm like, Oh, that's too small for me.
00:41:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:51
Curt
But like, I could get by with like, and maybe like a, uh, whatever. Uh,
00:41:56
jamie peacock
A 10.
00:41:58
Curt
A 10 would be okay. be little tight.
00:41:58
jamie peacock
what
00:41:59
Curt
um
00:41:59
jamie peacock
What are your pins?
00:42:00
Curt
But then they go right up to 25. They're essentially three-eighths, yeah. But I have other products that's at least half.
00:42:03
jamie peacock
Yeah, you need like 13.
00:42:05
Curt
And and a 13 would be just cutting it.
00:42:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:07
Curt
so um But anyways, it's not that they're cheap.
00:42:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:10
Curt
They're cheap in that in that regard. So it's like, why not get the extra capacity? You're not going to ah and
00:42:14
jamie peacock
Yeah, 100%. Just the extra capacity comes at extra footprint. That's the only problem with extra capacity.
00:42:20
jamie peacock
So I was looking.
00:42:20
Curt
to...
00:42:20
Curt
That's why I like their little ones so much because I'm like, I can hold that thing.
00:42:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:23
Curt
It's so tiny. Yeah.
00:42:25
jamie peacock
So I was looking at the seven millimeter gang machine. I'm like, it's got a one kilowatt servo. I'm like, yes, that's that's what my spindle on the EMCO is.
00:42:31
Curt
<unk>
00:42:33
jamie peacock
And it works.
00:42:34
Curt
and
00:42:35
jamie peacock
But I wouldn't be able to do half the stuff I do because of all the components I make, only two of them would fit on that machine.
00:42:35
Curt
yeah
00:42:42
jamie peacock
And this kind of makes pointless. So like the 25 with C-axis would be the, or 32 with C-axis would be the the best option there.
00:42:44
Curt
Totally. Yep,
00:42:51
Curt
yep, yep.
00:42:51
jamie peacock
But yeah, keeping eyes open because I mean, worst case, I get the good way in and then then I just retrofit it and sell it to replace with something else.
00:42:51
Curt
No, I agree with that.
00:43:00
Curt
Yeah, well, and especially if you're recouping a ton of the costs on just, like, selling off all the old original parts.
00:43:03
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:43:04
Curt
Like, you...
00:43:05
jamie peacock
Transformer, FNUC parts, like I'm going to probably come out, well, I don't know what the FNUC guys going to offer me for the parts.
00:43:06
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:11
jamie peacock
I'm like, make me an offer.
00:43:12
jamie peacock
ah This is what it is. If I get $500 for it, I'll be happy. I could sell the parts.
00:43:12
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:17
Curt
Right.
00:43:17
jamie peacock
Just the servo amplifier is $1,300 on eBay.
Electrical Drawings for Lathe Retrofit
00:43:23
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:43:24
jamie peacock
So it's like I could go that route and recoup all the money just by selling the parts off loose, but I don't want the admin of that.
00:43:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:31
Curt
I get that, yeah.
00:43:31
jamie peacock
because it's fucking ball like but I mean even once once all said and done with this machine if I turn around and sell it for the same price I sell Bertha for I still make like 30 grand on it so which is like thousand five hundred dollars but I mean the whole yeah yeah yeah
00:43:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:46
Curt
What? Yeah.
00:43:49
Curt
Oh, okay. I was like ah was like, you made a good money on that. Okay, yeah, Rand.
00:43:53
jamie peacock
yeah no all that Yeah, we've got to put it into dollary dues.
00:43:54
Curt
Rand, not cash. Yeah.
00:43:56
jamie peacock
But I mean, as it is, when I sell win ourselves Bertha, or when Bertha gets out of my workshop, I'm ahead by, I want to say like $1,000, $2,000 at this point.
00:44:08
Curt
Sure, yeah, it's a...
00:44:09
jamie peacock
No, because I've optimized the the costing on the the good way quite significantly. Like, okay, i don't actually need a hydraulic chuck.
00:44:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:44:16
jamie peacock
I don't actually need this. Like, find a better option. I mean, shopping options. Seeing what I have in all the boxes of electronic stuff that I have. um Like, I had the Mesa card. I had the Raspberry Pi for it.
00:44:30
jamie peacock
Like, all those things I've had on hand already. So, they don't go into my actual costing currently.
00:44:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:44:37
jamie peacock
But, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
00:44:37
Curt
I know.
00:44:38
jamie peacock
I'm considering making electrical drawings in my downtime now. Do you have any suggestions for good electrical drawing software? Because I cannot find any.
00:44:46
Curt
I mean, aside from Eagle.
00:44:49
jamie peacock
I'm going to use Canva.
00:44:50
Curt
ah Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah.
00:44:54
jamie peacock
It's literally, I just want to predetermine what the labels and things are going to be. So like, okay, cool. The... Spindle cooling motor, because it's getting powered by VFD, needs, I'm going to say, cool, that's UVW1.
00:45:08
jamie peacock
And then UVW2 is for the cooling pump.
00:45:09
Curt
yeah
00:45:11
jamie peacock
UVW3 is for chip conveyor that I can just have all these things pre-labeled that when it comes to wiring it, I find the wire, I slap a label on it, connect it, and it's done. If I ever need to backtrace it, I can backtrace it relatively easily.
00:45:23
jamie peacock
Although I also have a multimeter, so who gives a shit?
00:45:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:26
jamie peacock
Like you just boop, boop, boop until find the thing.
00:45:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:30
jamie peacock
yeah Danica was making fun of me because she listened to with intolerance.
00:45:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:33
jamie peacock
And she was like, yeah, Dylan asked you how you learned all this. And you're like, yeah, I just fucking learned it.
00:45:39
jamie peacock
Like, yeah.
00:45:39
Curt
I mean, yeah.
00:45:41
Curt
If you like it, though, that's kind of like how that's how anybody learns anything. If they're and if they enjoy it, like you just kind of learn by doing it because you like it.
00:45:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:45:49
Curt
So, yeah.
00:45:50
jamie peacock
yeah I think we might be somewhat unique in that manner in that we go down the rabbit holes quite extensively when we enjoy a topic.
00:45:59
Curt
I think we just got lucky and we have interests that pair well with things that can make us money. Like some people are super interested in like video games or whatever.
00:46:03
jamie peacock
yeah yeah make a living doing it yeah oh yeah
00:46:06
Curt
and it's like, that's fine. And you're like a wizard at it, but it's really hard to like make it, make a buck at that. Whereas like, yeah, we like machines and retrofitting electronics. And like that, that area is just ripe with like, like people will always want you to fix shit.
00:46:18
Curt
The world is electronic and mechanical. So if you have interest in that, like you're not going to have difficulty finding things to do.
00:46:23
jamie peacock
well yeah that that's my whole thing oh machines fact just throw a new controller on it like
00:46:28
Curt
Yeah. yeah yeah
00:46:28
jamie peacock
Like, oh, it's mechanically poked too. We'll just fix that while we're at it. Like, that' so don't be scared of machines.
00:46:32
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:33
jamie peacock
But yeah, I understand why people are a little bit scared.
00:46:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:38
jamie peacock
I was actually helping Joshua troubleshoot his turret the other day. Joshua from Firmworks on his one machine.
00:46:43
Curt
ah from gay yeah
00:46:43
jamie peacock
were Yeah, we're trying to troubleshoot while his turret's not turreting. And yeah, going through electrical drawings and stuff. think it on Wednesday. Just trying to get him...
00:46:55
jamie peacock
out of the shit but y'all basically figured out his the turret controller is poked on his machine it's just ah effectively a unboxed vfd because it's just an ac servo or ac motor that runs in one direction and then runs the other way to lock the turret um but yeah don't don't know if he came right joshua let me know if he came right because i know he listens yeah he likes uh
00:47:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:15
Curt
Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. i think i saw i think I saw a brief story of that. Looks like he had enough room to like put like five or six people behind his turret. like He opened the door and was like, that's still big in there.
00:47:23
jamie peacock
so the whole cover opens i'm like that's amazing because the the good way the whole back opens so you can get to the uh x-axis servo which i tried to open to have chip conveyor was in the way and then the whole side opens to get to the spindle side of things it actually opens up really really nicely um because yeah bertha does not
00:47:26
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:45
jamie peacock
at flipping all. um Yeah, like, some people put some really good consideration into how they build machines and make them accessible for maintenance and repairs, which is which is always nice.
00:47:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:57
Curt
No, totally. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:47:59
jamie peacock
ah yeah So I was, if anyone doesn't know, and this is Justin somehow doesn't listen to with intolerance, I was on with intolerance this week.
Podcast Appearance and Reception
00:48:07
jamie peacock
um Apparently a pretty good episode, should probably go check it out.
00:48:10
jamie peacock
Kurt's meant to be on there at some point.
00:48:13
Curt
Yeah, yeah, we just keep getting sick.
00:48:15
jamie peacock
it delayed yeah okay cool well that uh that covers all of oh yes
00:48:16
Curt
It's either I'm sick or Dylan's sick, so guess, yeah, we're not going anywhere. figure it out. Yeah, but... Yeah, no, I liked i like your episode. I was, like i saying, I sent a message to Dylan.
00:48:27
Curt
I'm like, wow, you you kept Jamie on the rails really well. Like, it was an actual, it was a pretty concise podcast. There was a lot of rabbit roads, but, like, the the general theme still went forward, unlike this show, where we go whizzing off into the bushes.
00:48:33
jamie peacock
yeah yeah no he did yeah he did a pretty good job yeah no this is just an adhd show not as bad as parts departments but uh
00:48:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:44
Curt
OK.
00:48:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, i don't know if you listen to parts department.
00:48:48
Curt
No, I haven't, no.
00:48:48
jamie peacock
It regularly devolves into them going into the microphone.
00:48:49
Curt
Or I might have caught one or two.
00:48:55
jamie peacock
It's freaking great. Like chaos. It's awesome. It makes this seem like it's freaking scripted.
00:49:01
jamie peacock
But yeah, really good podcast, parts department. I would recommend guys checking out.
00:49:02
Curt
Nice.
00:49:08
Curt
it's Nice, nice. Yeah.
00:49:10
jamie peacock
Adding a tar, fancy document, and then pressing random buttons.
00:49:12
Curt
Yeah, no sweat.
00:49:13
jamie peacock
So tell me about this, ah what you got from Matt.
00:49:18
Curt
Yeah. So ah Matt at Modern Fuel, dude that makes pens, go check out his work, makes some pretty cool stuff. ah So I was talking to him a little bit about, we just talked randomly um and he bought a new Citizen. I forgot what it I think it's an L16.
00:49:30
Curt
Not an L16C. I don't know. Anyways, ah like a brand new Citizen.
00:49:33
jamie peacock
R61?
00:49:34
Curt
Beautiful machine.
00:49:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:49:35
Curt
I don't think it's R series.
00:49:36
jamie peacock
No, they do L.
00:49:37
Curt
Okay.
00:49:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, they do L.
00:49:38
Curt
Yeah, I can't remember now. Anyways, it might be bigger than 16 mil, but regardless.
00:49:39
jamie peacock
Yeah, okay.
00:49:42
Curt
um So I said, you know what? Like, I'm considering so Swiss. I'm looking at a bunch. You're like, I would love a citizen. um i still I'm still considering that stupid citizen and doing a retrofit. But like, no, don't do it, Kurt.
00:49:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, but it's left-handed.
00:49:52
Curt
I don't care. I don't Anyways. um i So he's like, I'm like, hey man, would you like, would you mind just like turning me a piece of titanium on your Swiss, like a long body?
00:50:03
Curt
I'm like, i don't care. A blem's like, whatever. I'll pay you. I don't care. I'm like, I just want to see what the finishes are coming off your Swiss directly off machine.
00:50:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:50:10
Curt
Don't touch it. Turn it, throw box, send it me. He's like, no sweat, dude. He's like, i happy to do that. So I tried to offer money. Obviously, he wouldn't take it. Just a gentleman of a guy. Not only does he send me ah like ah he doesn't he doesn't have me a bar a titanium or a piece of titanium, he sends to me an entire pen, which was super cool of him. like Completely functional, in a box, everything. He sent me like ah a notebook with it.
Community Support and Samples from Modern Fuel
00:50:29
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:29
Curt
um Yeah, just stand up, dude.
00:50:30
Curt
Won't take any cash for it. um just like This whole and just this whole like ecosystem is always people just wanting to help other people. And like he's my, quote, competitor. um But anyways, I'm
00:50:38
jamie peacock
no
00:50:40
Curt
Yeah. And ah so, yeah, i looked at it and i was I looked at the finishes and I'm like, damn, like they're good. Like they're really good. Like I can get that on the hard inch on a small part, but like a long part, there's just no way.
00:50:50
jamie peacock
yeah
00:50:50
Curt
Cause it just, and I was like, oh, this would kill so much hand finishing time. so i was like, I, I need, I need Swiss. So, I mean, part of this little mechanism I'm working on, this is, I'm secretly calling it my Swiss funder.
00:51:02
Curt
um Just cause it's, it's almost a pure mill part with just really quick lathe parts.
00:51:02
jamie peacock
Nice.
00:51:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:51:07
Curt
So it's like something that I could actually probably produce and sell in bulk.
00:51:10
Curt
um Yeah. So anyways, just definitely seriously considering it a lot more.
00:51:12
jamie peacock
Nice. Going.
00:51:16
Curt
um
00:51:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:51:17
Curt
ah Like Swiss, a Swiss isn't the silver bullet. Like some people are like, Oh, just get a Swiss. Like oh its it's for me, it's not the silver, silver bullet yet.
00:51:21
jamie peacock
No.
00:51:23
Curt
Cause there's still a ton of aspects of like, yeah, even if I had perfect parts, it's still a lot of finishing. I do by hand, but it would,
00:51:30
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:51:31
Curt
It'd be helpful for sure, especially if I could get it running more and and unattained unattended.
00:51:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:51:36
Curt
And that's kind of the whole that's the whole reason you get you get a Swiss.
00:51:38
jamie peacock
Yeah, the whole thing with the Swiss.
00:51:39
Curt
Yeah, as you let it run ah bajillion parts.
00:51:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:51:42
jamie peacock
Well, the problem there is you need a bar feeder.
00:51:42
Curt
um So anyways, this.
00:51:44
jamie peacock
So it becomes a bit of a catch-22 there because your garage, I think, is only so long.
00:51:46
Curt
Yeah. And I. Yeah, when I would get a fairly small bar feeder, I don't think I would get like a 20 foot bar feeder. um I'd probably get because I can buy my titanium in any length.
00:51:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, but even still, a six-foot bar feeder is not exactly short.
00:52:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:03
Curt
Yeah, I mean, but I, I mean, I have, I, when I set this place up, I, I thought that I'm going to put a Swiss in here with a bar feeder. So I've kind of left myself a good, like 20, 20 foot span.
00:52:11
jamie peacock
okay
00:52:13
Curt
And if I needed to, I could get that longer by going into my house. But that's that's whole nother kettle of it.
00:52:17
jamie peacock
you just gotta gotta gotta hold through the
00:52:20
Curt
i have a kid I have a conveniently so placed closet in my house where I could just make a little bookshelf, like a little shelf where you'd put your your boots on the closet and then it would give me an extra like six feet so I could get, you know, a 20 foot bar feeder if I needed to.
00:52:33
Curt
So and not ideal, but it's ah it's a possibility.
00:52:36
jamie peacock
yeah
00:52:36
Curt
And the power requirements are within what I have here. And like, it's that's kind of.
00:52:40
jamie peacock
no yeah
00:52:42
Curt
So anyways, it's just something I'm mulling about.
00:52:42
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's that's the other challenge with working from a garage is power requirements.
00:52:48
Curt
Oh, totally. Yeah, totally. Like I have, I have in this garage, I have 80 amps of like 220 pulled in from my my main panel. I mean, the house is fed with a hundred and I pulled 80 in here.
00:52:55
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:52:58
Curt
Technically I have a hundred pulled in here, but on the books it's 80.
00:52:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, my house mars is also only fed with 100 amps of 220.
00:53:04
Curt
Yeah. So and you convert that to three phase.
00:53:06
jamie peacock
Well, I have unfortunate...
00:53:07
Curt
Yeah.
00:53:08
jamie peacock
Unfortunately, have two 220-volt supply, 100-amp supplies to the property. But I only use one.
00:53:14
Curt
Right.
00:53:15
jamie peacock
My mother no uses the other for nothing. So if I need more power, I'm stealing it from her.
00:53:21
Curt
Well, and I think I can like i think i can i can upgrade to 200 amp service.
00:53:21
jamie peacock
Like...
00:53:24
Curt
That's pretty common in residential areas to go up to 200 amp service.
00:53:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:53:27
Curt
um Any higher, it's this it's not possible. If I had if i like external ah poles, like external power poles, that would be possible, but it's all underground, so it'd just be heinous to pull in three-phase.
00:53:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:53:38
jamie peacock
Yeah. Well, so in South Africa, our houses are fed, every third house is on the same phase of the three-phase line.
00:53:39
Curt
I'd have to pull it right from the ah transformer, and it'd be way too expensive.
00:53:51
jamie peacock
So they'll pull three-phase to everything, and then every they tap every third one.
00:53:51
Curt
Right, yeah,
00:53:56
jamie peacock
um
00:53:56
Curt
yeah.
00:53:57
jamie peacock
So I actually have all three phases in my and my connection panel by the gate.
00:54:02
jamie peacock
but one just spirals and is taped off and then my house is fed by one and the outlaws is fed by another of the phases.
00:54:02
Curt
Oh.
00:54:09
jamie peacock
But if you have them hook up three phase, the monthly connection fee is absolutely insane. So I'm just like, no, not happening.
00:54:09
Curt
Oh, okay, okay.
00:54:17
Curt
Hmm.
00:54:19
jamie peacock
I will carry on with my phase converter and just suck it up with a phase converter.
00:54:26
jamie peacock
Corona Kurt.
00:54:26
Curt
Yeah, like, ah sorry, I swallowed coffee backwards. um
00:54:31
jamie peacock
Oh, you mustn't breathe your coffee.
00:54:33
Curt
I know, i was just too excited, getting all hot and bothered about talking about electrical phasing. Yeah, so, yeah, don't
00:54:38
jamie peacock
Yep. It is very exciting. But yeah, the power power is a huge thing.
00:54:42
Curt
Something.
00:54:44
jamie peacock
like Even the the new lathe retrofit is going to be about double the power consumption of my current setup, if not a little bit more.
00:54:52
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:52
jamie peacock
because we've got 1,500 watts in servos and then 4 kilowatts in spindle plus another 1.5 kilowatts in other crap.
00:54:58
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:02
jamie peacock
So we had like 7 kilowatts, whereas currently it's 2.2 for the spindle, about 800 for the steppers, and maybe another kilowatt over everything else.
00:55:15
jamie peacock
So it's a significantly larger power draw, but that it'll be fine.
00:55:16
Curt
yeah
00:55:21
Curt
Yeah, well, that's why, I mean, when I started this game here, I knew, like, I could buy a decent mill and it wouldn't pull a crap ton of power. And I knew if I was getting a lathe, like another lathe, it would be a Swiss.
00:55:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:55:30
Curt
And those don't draw a ton of power either. And, like, I have no intentions on moving out here. I would move if I had to. But, like, it is so, like, you know, it's so convenient to just be able to, like, be three steps away from your production.
00:55:35
jamie peacock
Yeah, but you don't want to. Yeah.
00:55:41
Curt
Like, literally three steps.
00:55:41
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:55:42
Curt
Like, dook, dook, dook.
00:55:43
jamie peacock
Do you have a power meter at all on your power? Like as in a monitoring?
00:55:49
Curt
I've been meaning to, but it eats up panel space, and my panel's kind of squashed, so was like, eh.
00:55:53
jamie peacock
Fair enough. I added another panel when I hooked in the What did do? It was... Yeah, you know I put another panel in in my... work Oh, and I put the inverter in. I put another panel in my office and I put it in there.
00:56:05
jamie peacock
So I meter the incoming to the entire property um and then it goes to wherever the fuck it needs to go.
00:56:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:13
jamie peacock
And when I did that, I put a meter in and it's interesting to see. Like the LK, if we're in LK, we peak at 14 kilowatts. Like if LK and Bertha and Anodals are running, we'll peak at about 14 kilowatts.
00:56:25
jamie peacock
So we've still got headroom of about six kilowatts.
00:56:30
Curt
I don't know why I didn't just think that I could put a power meter in the panel and put in
Electrical Setup and Power Usage
00:56:35
Curt
the garage. that would I have tons of room in that one.
00:56:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:56:38
Curt
Silly Kurt. um
00:56:39
jamie peacock
Yeah, i just bought a little one that just inductively picks up on the on the neutral leg.
00:56:44
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. be but but
00:56:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, nice that was cheap.
00:56:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:48
jamie peacock
Is my mother-in-law walking around outside?
00:56:48
Curt
yeah I think
00:56:50
jamie peacock
Sorry, I saw a light come on on the cameras.
00:56:52
Curt
I think the most I pull here, the most that the little X5 pulls is it pulls 20 amps of three phase. So that's that's minuscule.
00:56:58
jamie peacock
Uh, yeah.
00:57:00
jamie peacock
It's a 10kVA machine, so yeah, that's about right.
00:57:00
Curt
um
00:57:03
Curt
Yeah, that's on spindle ramp. I've never seen it go above like four amps during running.
00:57:04
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:57:07
Curt
But when the spindle ramps, it hits 20 amps.
00:57:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, my light's dim in the house.
00:57:10
Curt
And when it's been decelerates, yeah.
00:57:12
jamie peacock
Yes, it actively decelerates. My lights in the house
00:57:14
Curt
Yeah.
Machine Operation at Full Rapid
00:57:15
jamie peacock
dim when my machine rapids up and is decelerating the spindle.
00:57:20
jamie peacock
Like the fucking lights dim because 1.8 kilowatt servo going up at 48 meters a minute while the spindle's stopping in like all of three and a half seconds from 12k, it's fucking sucking down juice.
00:57:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:33
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's been running at 100% rapid all day today because I'm impatient.
00:57:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:38
jamie peacock
And I like doing tool brake detect at full rapid. It's quite exciting.
00:57:38
Curt
Nice.
00:57:42
Curt
Yeah,
Recent Google Searches and Research
00:57:43
Curt
yeah. I mean, it can do it.
00:57:43
jamie peacock
yeah I've been running yeah it's very terrifying but yeah if it if it can do it once it'll do it again because it's a good machine so Kurt what have you been googling
00:57:44
Curt
It's a machine, but yeah, for us, it's scary.
00:57:51
Curt
yeah Cool. ah How about um ah but you start you start with the Google box because I have to open mine because I was ill-prepared.
00:58:02
jamie peacock
that's fine my Google box is full of PayPal because we're looking how much my servers cost wordle is at 99 today today
00:58:12
Curt
who
00:58:13
jamie peacock
Tomorrow I'm gonna, yeah, tomorrow I'm gonna crack a hundred. Um, still got the RG, uh, five, five, seven in my, in my thing.
00:58:16
Curt
Triple digits.
00:58:23
jamie peacock
Then I've got the NATO alphabet. Cause we were trying to remember what a P was. It's not penis.
00:58:27
Curt
Ah, yes.
00:58:29
jamie peacock
Um, Why the hell is I was looking up when Fallout season two comes out, looking up the make enough because that released this week. um Looking up conversational programming on Linux TNC because I want to add the conversational module to Bertha before it goes.
00:58:47
Curt
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
00:58:47
jamie peacock
So the guy can program on the controller because there is a there's a module
Workshop Organization and Tool Carts
00:58:51
jamie peacock
for it. I just need to figure out how to get it in there. Then looking up how to do Circuit diagrams for free effectively, looking up the Kitagawa manual for that collared chuck, and then looking up 100-liter water tanks because I want to put a 100-liter tank in the garage, 200-liter alternative 60-liter outside the garage, so when I make RO water, I dump the wastewater into that one outside.
00:59:18
jamie peacock
My mother-in-law can use it to water the garden, and I'm not pumping it down the drain. because my waste ratio is like three to one year, because we've got quite a lot of shits in our water.
00:59:22
Curt
right
00:59:27
jamie peacock
So I want to at least capture that and it can be used for something. And I want to start keeping more, um more RO on hand, because I want to start topping machines off with it.
00:59:38
jamie peacock
um And then was looking up fancy tool cards, because now when I rearrange workshop, want to buy another set of drawers for my lathe tooling.
00:59:50
jamie peacock
because when I rearrange, I'm going to have my mill tooling next to the mill. um I want another cart with my lathe tooling because I'm going rearrange into like a funny shaped cell. Uh, so
Evening Plans and Aftershow Teaser
01:00:00
jamie peacock
I found a fricking Lumo green one.
01:00:03
jamie peacock
So I'm probably going to buy one of those because why not?
01:00:04
Curt
oo
01:00:07
jamie peacock
It'll match the good way.
01:00:09
jamie peacock
But yeah, currently all my lathe stuff's on a table and I want to eat it off the table and put it into a set of drawers and actually have it somewhat organized. Kind of like my milling stuff.
01:00:09
Curt
Cool.
01:00:17
Curt
Yeah.
01:00:18
jamie peacock
But yeah, and then I'm busy, uh, busy painting this evening. But we'll chat about that in the after show. Let me make a note that we don't forget. There we go.
Concerns Over Product Pickup Security
01:00:30
Curt
Painting.
01:00:30
jamie peacock
So that we don't, yes, that we don't forget about it when we go into the after show.
01:00:30
Curt
All right.
01:00:34
jamie peacock
So yeah, what's in your Google box, Kurt?
01:00:36
Curt
ah So my Google box is some of that that new shipping service I'm using. I realized, yeah, I don't want to drop off because they use drop boxes for my location.
01:00:40
jamie peacock
Ah, yes.
01:00:45
Curt
And I don't want to drop off like tens of thousands of dollars in product into a box. um
01:00:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, preferably not.
01:00:49
Curt
But they can, yeah, they can come and pick it up directly from my door, which is awesome cause that's convenient. And the price when I amortize it over like all the orders is just super, super convenient. ah So I'll do that.
01:00:59
jamie peacock
Yeah. Sure.
01:00:59
Curt
And then it's insured directly. As soon as I pick it up, it's immediately in their possession. um And I don't have to. I mean, it is at a Dropbox, but like, how you gonna prove that?
01:01:04
jamie peacock
sure
01:01:06
Curt
Right. So anyways, um looking up that, looking up a bunch of, yeah, RGB stuff for that.
01:01:06
jamie peacock
sure
01:01:11
Curt
I searched,
Finding the Perfect Workout Shorts
01:01:12
Curt
scoured the internet for that controller, finally found it. And then I found these, these dumb shorts came up in my um Instagram. They're just like workout shorts. um Cause I don't know. I like like, I like tight shorts, but I don't want tight shorts because I don't want to be like showing off to the world.
01:01:28
Curt
ah So I found this site, this site. I don't know where it's from. I don't know about their, like, don't sue me if they're not an ethical site or whatever, but it's like S I I R G O we'll it in the show notes.
01:01:40
Curt
And they got some pretty, they got some pretty heinous artwork.
01:01:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:01:43
Curt
Like it's pretty explicit. So like, don't click the link if you're not, if you're not into like some pretty, pretty aggressive artwork, but yeah,
01:01:49
jamie peacock
I'm quite excited for these to load.
01:01:51
Curt
they're like their shirts uh their sweaters uh i'm a big fan i'm a big fan of their shorts they got some pretty heinous ones um so i think gonna buy a few pairs of them because
Clothing Designs and Hidden Features
01:02:00
Curt
a nice tight smartphone pocket so like you run or work out you can keep your phone on you it's not bouncing around but then the shorts are like baggy over that so you're not just you're not wearing a pair of spandex shorts so anyways i'm just kind looking at that gear um no so yeah um yeah that's
01:02:10
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:02:15
jamie peacock
I like that there's a weirdo series.
01:02:18
Curt
that's that's the one i'm looking at the weirdo series they're they're they're pretty heinous they got kind of like uh i won't even say it because i got some they got some really offensive stuff but the cool thing is they're like baggy shorts so that the offensive stuff is on like the spandex portion so that like like if you like lay down to like bench press whatever and your shorts ride up that's when you can see the artwork and then when you stand back up it goes away so it's it's kind of cool i kind of like that so yeah anyways
01:02:19
jamie peacock
ah is that the one you're actually looking at?
01:02:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:02:41
jamie peacock
Oh, yeah, that's quite cool.
01:02:43
Curt
Yeah, so anyways, just a bunch of that.
01:02:43
jamie peacock
waiting for it to load. Come, be this slow thing.
01:02:45
Curt
it seems to be a drag yeah site. Yeah, that was ah basically everything in my Google box that is worth mentioning and me just looking at a bunch of tracking info for product because I'm just excited and I want my um um my stuff.
01:02:54
jamie peacock
OK.
01:02:58
Curt
So that's that.
01:02:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, i'm just I just opened my, oh, nice. OK, I see what you mean. That's fucking cool.
01:03:05
Curt
Yeah, they got some cool stuff. Yeah, they got some nuns.
01:03:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's fucking cool.
01:03:08
Curt
I like some of their nuns stuff
01:03:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
Upcoming Product Sales and Demand
01:03:10
Curt
and some ghosts stuff.
01:03:10
jamie peacock
Yeah,
01:03:12
Curt
We'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that.
01:03:14
jamie peacock
um yeah I was just checking with with tunnel, the status of a shipment that left today.
01:03:20
Curt
yeah, yeah.
01:03:20
jamie peacock
Very keen to see when that when that a arrives, but again we'll hold that for the after show.
01:03:25
Curt
That sounds terrific.
01:03:26
jamie peacock
Yes, I'm baiting everyone for the after show.
01:03:27
Curt
So what?
01:03:28
jamie peacock
ah Cool.
01:03:29
jamie peacock
Where can wi people find your stuff, Kurt?
01:03:29
Curt
So what do you have?
01:03:30
Curt
Oh. ah You can find my stuff at confoundermachine.com and I might actually be able to sell stuff on my site in like the next week or so here, which I'm jazzed for. So if those mechanisms come out, I will send a giant email out and then I'll probably work on a very large batch. I haven't figured out I'm going sell it yet.
01:03:45
Curt
I still think there's going to be enough interest that they're probably going to go quick um if they end up if they end up
Podcast Promotion and Merchandise
01:03:50
Curt
making it to the to that finish line. um I've been and hamstringed in the past, so we'll see how that goes. on But yeah, that's where you can find all my wares.
01:03:57
Curt
How about you, Jamie? Where can people find all your amazing stuff?
01:04:01
jamie peacock
you can find us at jspeckeng.com. There's the Anchor Point. There's the t-shirts. There's This war warranty isn't going to void itself. It's going to be available for another week or so, ah think.
01:04:13
jamie peacock
Was it that one? Yes, i think is's that one. For another week or so, and then it will be taken off the store again. That's to coincide with the With Intolerance episode. um And then, yeah, thank you to everybody who's bought shirts and things because we've had quite a bunch of sales since Within Tolerance came out.
01:04:29
jamie peacock
um
01:04:29
Curt
so nice
01:04:29
jamie peacock
But yeah, you
Daily Tasks and Project Preparation
01:04:30
jamie peacock
can find our shirts and stuff there. you can also find the podcast website at theloanemachinist.com where you will find a companion guide for all the fun and creative words that I use and a bit of bonus content as well.
01:04:40
Curt
yeah
01:04:41
jamie peacock
So the bonus content's great.
01:04:43
Curt
Oh, nice. I hope the intro from today, the one that we had to throw out, I hope there was it was long enough that we could piece that into something.
01:04:50
jamie peacock
It's only like three seconds long, but le we'll see. um Yeah.
01:04:54
Curt
There's only like three words, and that's all that matters.
01:04:57
jamie peacock
What are you up to today, Kurt?
01:05:00
Curt
ah um Today I'm going to work on finishing this thing, making sure it is good for production. then all everything If everything plays nice, already have enough of the other parts made that I can see if it's going to work. And then I'm going to do a large
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
01:05:10
Curt
batch on those.
01:05:11
Curt
um And yeah, i think I think that's all I have of real interest. What are you up to tomorrow?
01:05:18
jamie peacock
Oh no, I'm up to today. I'm going to go paint a wall now.
01:05:19
Curt
Oh, right. Sorry. Yeah, right.
01:05:20
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:05:21
Curt
I forgot you're going back.
01:05:21
jamie peacock
um And go run some parts finished and then going to wake up early tomorrow morning to chat to John and then finish machining those parts as well. So I can go to get them off to anodize tomorrow so they can ruin them.
01:05:32
Curt
Nice. Yeah.
01:05:33
jamie peacock
And then I've got some other parts that need to go to anodize, but they can go later in the week to anodize. It's a bit annoying that I have to drive there twice, but it is what it is. Like, I'll just suck it up.
01:05:41
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:42
jamie peacock
i But yeah, that that's the plan for today and tomorrow.
01:05:47
Curt
Cool.
01:05:47
jamie peacock
Anyway, I think everybody, thank you for for listening.
01:05:48
Curt
Cool.
01:05:50
jamie peacock
I just realized we didn't even get to use our favorite audio, but we'll save it for the after show. Thank you everybody for listening. ah If you enjoyed the podcast, please consider sharing it with someone else you think might enjoy it.
01:06:01
jamie peacock
Or give us a like, subscribe, rate, or whatever it is on your player of choice. And yeah, we'll see you next podcast.
01:06:09
Curt
Take care, all.