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Ep. 47: Probe It Till It Works
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Join Curt and Jamie as they dive into a week of machining mayhem, including the saga of the impossible tool stick-out, eight-sided geometry gymnastics, and a near-miss crash that proves physics always wins.
They also get into probe repeatability experiments, neighbor-induced noise paranoia, hand-crafted chamfers, and the eternal battle between fancy 3D toolpaths and good old common sense.
It’s another episode of chatter, chaos, and questionable overhangs — held together by coffee, carbide, and pure stubbornness.
Links Discussed:
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- electronic lead screw: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009697369216.html
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:00
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loan Machinist, where it's just you, your tools and the work. Kurt, what you got going on this week?
Weekly Topics Overview
00:00:06
Curt
This week I'm going to talk about how Master Jamie makes me design better, some local AI updates, and running Linux on Windows. How about you? What are you going to talk about
00:00:15
jamie peacock
Nice.
Machining Challenges and Solutions
00:00:16
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, I got a one day retrofit that we did. um We've got coolant causing finger aids and fancy multi body workflow and toolpath.
00:00:24
Curt
about?
00:00:26
jamie peacock
So yeah, let's jump into it. How are you doing this morning, Kurt?
00:00:29
Curt
Ooh.
00:00:31
Curt
I'm doing ah fantastic on this.
00:00:32
jamie peacock
Oh, sorry, this evening.
00:00:33
Curt
Yeah, evening yeah it's a flip-flop now.
00:00:34
jamie peacock
Yesterday.
00:00:36
Curt
Yeah, it's it's morning for you and evening for me.
00:00:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:00:38
Curt
We're recording backwards.
00:00:40
jamie peacock
Yeah, you're also in the past.
00:00:41
Curt
But yeah you're yeah, you're in the in the future.
00:00:44
jamie peacock
Yeah. I'm in the tomorrow.
00:00:46
Curt
yeah Yeah, no, it's yeah it's going good. no Just nice nice to I don't know, nice to be here.
00:00:51
jamie peacock
same Same shit, different day.
00:00:53
Curt
Same shit, different, yeah, weekends, nothing crazy going on today. Spent the week out of my folks, or the day out my folks, so yeah, how about you?
00:00:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, fair enough.
00:00:59
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
00:00:59
Curt
what's up What's up in your,
Weather Impact on Work
00:01:01
Curt
what's up for you today?
00:01:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's Sunday, so I get to work. um Cars coming past to machine some parts and work well water to work his lathe, but there's severe weather warnings for the whole of South Africa currently.
00:01:11
jamie peacock
There's a tro ah tropical storm that's low pressure that's now sitting over Joburg. So they're expecting 100 millimeters of rain in the next 24
00:01:20
Curt
oh
00:01:21
jamie peacock
Like it's it's torrential like so it's been drizzling it's it's not raining properly im out the window.
00:01:21
Curt
that's enough yeah
00:01:26
jamie peacock
But it's been drizzling all night and yeah, it's gonna bucket down today. So I don't think we're going to get to work on the on the lathe. But yeah, he's got some parts he needs to be the machine for him. So he'll come through I'll make him load them.
00:01:38
Curt
nice how's I was gonna say how how's that going yeah
00:01:38
jamie peacock
ah Yeah. But yeah, that that kind of leads into my first topic, the one day retrofits.
00:01:45
jamie peacock
Dude, I hate call. and We've run into one problem so far. So on Friday, he came through and we started to put the controller in and start pulling wire and figuring shit out.
00:01:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, the machine moves, spindle runs. The only thing that doesn't work is the encoder. ah And that's because I need to pull it.
00:02:05
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:02:06
jamie peacock
It's a differential signaling. I need to just pull a ground and then it'll work.
00:02:11
Curt
Oh, wow. Okay, well, that makes it super easy.
00:02:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, one day. The tree's figured out the signal, the yeah ah notebook. I live is full of magic through the manuals at it and then just pin out for this pin out for that.
00:02:20
Curt
Yeah.
00:02:22
jamie peacock
The only problem is there is no manual for the for the server drives. So the manuals I can find so just breaking my shirt. yeah um The manuals I could find for the KND drives is for the SD100, SD200s. There's no manuals for the SD300s.
00:02:41
jamie peacock
And obviously he has the SD300s. So in the in the controller manual, I ended up asking it what the pinouts were.
00:02:44
Curt
Okay.
00:02:50
jamie peacock
And then
Design and Machining Improvements
00:02:51
jamie peacock
just color of coding wise and figuring shit out till it works. ah Feeding five volt signals on a five volt signal doesn't work.
00:02:54
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:02:56
jamie peacock
Well, guess what? Then we'll go to 24 volt, but it works on five volts. Because also the on the back of the control unit, a little sticker saying PC5V VD24V. So so you're signaling for pulse and and you're enabling what not a 24 volt so i got that all hooked up that's all now working the machine is super quiet super smooth i got it doing uh 11.9999 meters per minute can't go as fast as the good way um i made it one one millimeter slower per minute
00:03:32
jamie peacock
But yeah, super, super smooth, super like quiet and move so nicely. And then we turn the spindle on. And it doesn't have a separate spindle encoder.
00:03:39
Curt
Okay.
00:03:41
jamie peacock
It's got a server for the spindle and a timing belt. so So it's loud as fuck at 2000 RPM because timing belts.
00:03:46
Curt
okay Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:49
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's running. it but Yeah, got that dialed, got the relays hooked up. Everything was reasonably well labeled. So just fished around, found the wires. Okay, Carl, I'm pulling this wire. Pull it back at the front.
00:04:01
jamie peacock
So pulling the wire, I guess I figure out which wire it is. But he's colorblind. So I've got to go to the back, look at what color wires are. Come to the front, strip the wires, see what colors they are. Then I'm hey, Carl. Oh, no, wait, they're all gray. Go back to the back, check the color.
00:04:13
Curt
no
00:04:13
jamie peacock
Because we've got and one in one of the wires, there's blue, turquoise, and baby blue.
00:04:19
jamie peacock
So I'm like, I know it's a blue wire, but which flavor of blue?
00:04:19
Curt
OK, so he's hosed.
00:04:20
Curt
Yeah.
00:04:23
jamie peacock
But yeah, basically all of his functionality is done. Coolant pumps running, oil is running. and I haven't really disconnected. only thing I did was moved. So KM4 turns on the servos. KM1 turns on the spindle.
00:04:37
jamie peacock
KM1 wasn't coming on. So I fished the wire out and plugged it in with KM4. So when you turn the machine on, they both turn on.
00:04:45
Curt
Hmm.
00:04:45
jamie peacock
Like there obviously was some logic in there that wasn't being met and I just could not be bothered to figure it out.
00:04:46
Curt
Nice.
00:04:50
jamie peacock
so So yeah, it's, it's, oh dude.
00:04:52
Curt
That sounds like a minimal amount of problems for like a full-on retrofit.
00:04:57
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's been super smooth. Like literally it'll be, it'll be done as soon as I got the encoder working. We're going to try pull it ground. If can get that to work, then the retrofit will be done this week. If I can't, then I'm going to order a board from China land.
00:05:09
jamie peacock
And we'll just have to wait for that to come in to go from differential to single ended signals. And then when that lands, we can fit it
Efficient Machining Processes
00:05:18
jamie peacock
at his workshop so the machine can go like you can run without an encoder.
00:05:20
Curt
Nice. Totally. Yeah, exactly. That's awesome.
00:05:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, so yeah, it's it's basically done, which is cool.
00:05:27
Curt
Yeah,
00:05:28
jamie peacock
like It went really well and the machine is so it's so smooth and so quiet because the ball screws are quite small as well. So it's not this 32 mil ball screws spinning at like 3000 RPM.
00:05:39
jamie peacock
It's like a 20 mil ball screw. So it's not that you know the ball screw noise on an old machine it goes fast.
00:05:44
jamie peacock
It doesn't have that because they small ball screws.
00:05:45
Curt
yeah, yeah.
00:05:45
Curt
Totally. Oh, that's cool. That's nice. Right.
00:05:48
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's got 240 millimeters of X travel. So like, decent amounts.
00:05:54
Curt
Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah,
00:05:56
jamie peacock
ah we Oh, wait, we haven't done the limit switches yet. That that's the one other thing we've got to do. But that's quick. That's fish the wires through and connect them to the controller until it has home switches. And then ah we're not going to do limits, we're just doing homes.
00:06:08
jamie peacock
So once it homes, it's software limits. And on Linux, you can see that's good enough. fuck
00:06:13
jamie peacock
It'll do the trick.
00:06:13
Curt
yeah. Yeah, I see.
00:06:15
Curt
I don't run i don't run like any kind of limits other than software, and it's it's good.
00:06:17
jamie peacock
Yes. Speaking of your lathe, guess what I've been watching?
00:06:24
Curt
ah The concrete lab story?
00:06:26
jamie peacock
No, the Hardinge.
00:06:29
Curt
Oh, that whole retrofit project.
00:06:30
jamie peacock
I went back and rewatched because that was around the same time i was doing Bertha.
00:06:34
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:06:34
jamie peacock
I think it was a little bit it was a little bit after I did Bertha.
00:06:35
Curt
Okay.
00:06:37
jamie peacock
I was doing Bertha around the same time Rotary S&P started his machine.
00:06:42
jamie peacock
his What does he have?
00:06:42
Curt
Okay.
00:06:42
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:43
jamie peacock
He's got a Hardinge as well. No.
00:06:46
Curt
No, he has a...
00:06:46
jamie peacock
What does his machine have?
00:06:47
Curt
um I can't remember now. I can't remember.
00:06:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, anyway, he's got, yeah, I started at the same time as then I finished two weeks later and he's still working on this. um But yeah, it's interesting to watch you go through the through the machine like and your videos on it.
00:07:02
jamie peacock
I was thoroughly enjoying it this week.
00:07:03
Curt
Yeah.
00:07:04
jamie peacock
Old school Kurt videos.
00:07:04
Curt
I felt,
AI and Technology Innovations
00:07:06
Curt
I felt bad going through the hard inch and just like taking out just like handfuls of like clockwork. I'm like, this has to be like, this probably cost $5,000 when this thing was made.
00:07:15
Curt
And I'm like, I'm just throwing it out. Cause I'm like, we don't need this anymore.
00:07:18
jamie peacock
Yep.
00:07:19
Curt
Like we don't, it's still like, I'm just, I'm just like, these are beautifully machined gears. Don't need It was just like, just like so much.
00:07:24
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:07:26
Curt
i was like, I feel so bad.
00:07:28
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, there was a lot of fancy stuff in your machine. Like, it's...
00:07:32
Curt
Well, it was just like plain like DC motors and then just a crazy amount of clockwork.
00:07:35
jamie peacock
Yeah. And resolvers.
00:07:38
Curt
Yeah, it resolvers exactly to make it all work.
00:07:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:07:40
Curt
And it it was very precise, but I was like, feel so bad just gutting all this and direct coupling a servo. It's like, it's better, but I'm like, like wow.
00:07:46
jamie peacock
Yeah,
00:07:49
Curt
I'm like, this probably cost someone a lot of money and a lot of design and like, whatever.
00:07:49
jamie peacock
no, that's...
00:07:54
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, that's but yeah, I mean, I mean, thoroughly enjoying your older videos, like your the confounded Chronicles.
00:07:58
Curt
Oh, thanks, man.
00:08:01
Curt
Yeah, those were fun.
00:08:01
jamie peacock
And I enjoyed and used to do weekly content. It was great.
00:08:05
Curt
Oh, man. I love i i so so like it, though.
00:08:05
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's a lot of efforts. That's the thing. Like, I get why. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
00:08:09
Curt
Yeah. it's It's so much fun.
00:08:10
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's what I do on Instagram.
00:08:13
jamie peacock
Throw shit on Instagram. It's easier.
00:08:13
Curt
yeah
00:08:16
Curt
Yeah, I mean, it's just not as long lived.
00:08:16
jamie peacock
Much easier.
00:08:19
Curt
It is nice to have like a something that is going to like be there for a while.
00:08:21
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:08:23
Curt
and know i try to like I do back up like all my Instagram videos just for my own personal. like
00:08:28
jamie peacock
yes
00:08:29
Curt
So you know maybe one day when I'm 80 and I'm bored, I can like go back and just like view my life through video, which would be kind of cool. But yeah.
00:08:36
jamie peacock
yeah ah i've got mine archiving for the last few months but sometimes it doesn't it's a bit weird um the archiving to my phone then i've got the video if i want to share it with someone not through instagram yeah because but yeah i realized i didn't have ah any pictures on instagram of the harbor on my machine the four anchor points
00:08:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:08:47
Curt
Right. Yeah. Yeah, totally.
00:08:54
Curt
Oh, yeah, i saw that. Yeah, saw that today.
00:08:55
jamie peacock
So yeah yesterday i had had a customer come past.
00:08:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:08:58
jamie peacock
So I pulled the vases off quick to show them and then I was like, okay, time take a picture quickly, and then put the vases back on and carry on working. um Because I had a request for some pictures of it. And now I have a request for coins that I need to work through for a few anchor points that are going to into a lag table.
00:09:11
Curt
Mm-mm-mm. Mm-mm.
00:09:13
jamie peacock
So there's potentially some issues with that because I machine the the backside of the Langstads go, then I bolt through those onto an anchor point. So in theory, there's a stack up of like 10 microns here, 10 microns there.
00:09:29
jamie peacock
So in theory, that pin position is not necessarily perfectly aligned to the Langstads, which isn't an issue if you're machining your pallets, but he wants to span them.
00:09:40
jamie peacock
So I need to just have a chat to him about the best way to go about that.
00:09:41
Curt
Right.
00:09:43
jamie peacock
Like if you're gonna make a a big palette that goes across all of them, I would suggest you only use two pins, the rest of clearance, you're to need to probe with that pinners and probe with other pinners to get their relationship.
00:09:54
Curt
Right. Yeah, I see what you mean.
00:09:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it's just like it's a small tolerance stack ups that start becoming major issues when you want to span like eight of the frickin things.
00:09:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:10:04
Curt
yeah No doubt.
00:10:05
jamie peacock
Because on my setup, I've got a ah setting plate where all the holes are tight.
00:10:05
Curt
No doubt.
00:10:10
jamie peacock
So I put all the anchor points onto that and then I drop that onto the mooring plates and it can move around because the mooring plates, the bosses are loose. And then you start tightening down, you indicate the but the tramming plates and that sets everything s square and spaced.
00:10:29
jamie peacock
And then you tighten it all down.
00:10:29
Curt
right Yeah, I like it.
00:10:29
jamie peacock
So yeah, there's lots of fun shenanigans involved. But yeah, so... What's going on in your side of the world?
00:10:40
Curt
I spent way too much time ah last night finalizing the design for that click pen. Just when we talked about it last week in the after show, and you're like, this is you should do this.
00:10:46
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:10:49
Curt
And I had like kind of a weird undercut, and I'm like, yeah, you're right.
00:10:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:53
Curt
I should get rid of that undercut, because then it would make it way easier to machine. So i was like, all I'm leaving that
Software and System Setups
00:10:59
Curt
undercut in there is to try to get a little deeper in the pocket. I'm like, I can sacrifice the eighth inch that I would gain to make it infinitely easier to machine.
00:11:04
jamie peacock
Well...
00:11:07
jamie peacock
You can also make the collar shorter.
00:11:10
Curt
And that's what I'm doing too. Yeah, I'm doing both.
00:11:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:11
Curt
I'm making the college shorter. And then, so I'm only losing, literally I'm losing, I don't know, like 50 thou after now I've redesigned it. And I was like,
00:11:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:19
Curt
It's just like, that's, that's like the value of this podcast is just talking to somebody else and being like, Oh, why are you doing that? like, yeah, you're right.
00:11:24
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:24
Curt
This makes it infinite. Like it's so much more difficult to machine it that way when I can do it another way. And I'm deliberately designing this pen so I can make more of them. I don't want to make my life more difficult.
00:11:32
jamie peacock
Lots of them, yeah.
00:11:33
Curt
Yeah. So anyways, i I was up to like, I mean, I fell asleep with my little rats and I woke up in the middle the night and then I spent till like five in the morning just sitting, drawing infusion.
00:11:34
jamie peacock
No, 100%.
00:11:42
Curt
Cause I was like, I want this done and I need, I want it done for the new year. That's my goal is to have like, have one done.
00:11:45
jamie peacock
Yes. Okay.
00:11:47
Curt
And so, yeah. I spent copious amount of time on that, which was lovely. it is so um um So I think I'm going to slowly start machining the actual mechanism because I can do that without having to do any fourth axis work.
00:11:59
jamie peacock
okay
00:12:00
Curt
And then ah and we talk, I was like ranting about like, not ranting, I was talking last week about how like fourth axis fusion is like, i'm like, oh, it's like rather expensive for the manufacturing extension. Like the second, like I finished the design, I'm like, okay, I need the, I'm like, I need the extension.
00:12:15
Curt
I'm like, oh, it's actually not that expensive. Like just the way my brain shifted when I'm like, now I have to machine and I'm going to be doing eight
00:12:20
jamie peacock
Yeah, when you need it, yeah.
00:12:21
Curt
Yeah, I'm going be doing a ton of revisions on that code. So I'm like, well I'm not going to buy the credit because I'm like, I better look at the price. So I looked at the price for the credit option I was talking about, and it costs 500 bucks, which buys me 10 days of access anytime I want to use in a year, which, okay, so call it 50 bucks a day.
00:12:29
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:12:36
jamie peacock
Okay. That's... What is the extension cost for the year?
00:12:40
Curt
Um, The extension except itself costs like, I'm sorry, I'm putting these in Canadian dollars, just reduce it by a little bit.
00:12:48
jamie peacock
Oh, that's fine. Don't worry.
00:12:49
Curt
um um The extension for the entire year is like 20, like 2,400 bucks or something like that.
00:12:57
jamie peacock
Oh, yeah, makes.
00:12:58
Curt
So significantly more, but then you have 365 day access to it.
00:13:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, instead of 50 days for the same amount of you buying credits.
00:13:02
Curt
and And you, well, also didn't realize I could just buy a month of it. I didn't know I could buy the extension for a month. So for 250 bucks, I can buy it for a month.
00:13:10
jamie peacock
Oh, cool.
00:13:13
Curt
So i'm like, oh, that's 100% worth it for me.
00:13:14
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:16
Curt
And then Fusion also lets you buy a year and then they um let you align the ah start dates so that you can, so I can just buy the rest of the year now of that extension and it discounts it because my my year for Fusion starts in September.
00:13:16
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:24
jamie peacock
OK.
00:13:28
jamie peacock
Oh, nice. Okay. Yes.
00:13:31
Curt
So it cuts off a couple months. Anyways, I was just like, oh, this is not at all an issue.
00:13:33
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:13:35
Curt
Like this is way better than I thought.
00:13:37
jamie peacock
yukaz ma Yeah, my Fusion's coming up now on the 2nd of December.
00:13:37
Curt
So, yeah.
00:13:41
jamie peacock
i've got to pay for Fusion. But I got price locked last year, so was still getting it for like, I think it's $500 or $450 or something. I still get it really cheap.
00:13:52
jamie peacock
It's like, yeah.
00:13:52
Curt
I try to do that whenever it's a deal. I try to get the three years.
00:13:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:55
Curt
Yeah, for sure.
00:13:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, so well, ah it was last year, if you subscribed, you got it, whatever you paid, then is locked for three years.
00:13:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:04
jamie peacock
Yeah, but I'm yeah, I am actively working on justifying toolpath at this point. I can tell you now it saved me over an hour yesterday.
00:14:10
Curt
Ah, yeah.
00:14:13
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:13
jamie peacock
And not not an hour of me clicking an hour of me fucking around trying not to click because I would have procrastinated.
00:14:14
Curt
That's awesome.
00:14:20
jamie peacock
Whereas now I can just send it to the ball, pull it back down, add a couple operations manually and hit go.
00:14:25
Curt
Okay, so you only need to save, you only need to save like now another 59 hours to make it fully pay for itself?
00:14:25
jamie peacock
So yeah, it's...
00:14:29
jamie peacock
Yes. Well, yeah, we're we're getting there.
00:14:30
Curt
Okay, sick.
00:14:32
jamie peacock
we've We're 58 hours a away to Justify.
00:14:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:34
jamie peacock
No, that's the thing, like, I know, like, I had the part, i'm like, oh, this going so annoying to program.
00:14:34
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:38
jamie peacock
this Twice this week, or three times this week. Like, i don't I don't want to program it, because it's just, I've got to go through and click, click, click, click. So I'll go find something else to do, and I'm like, hang on, just push it to Toolbox. Bring it back down, and then add the slithering source stuff, because I was doing a bunch of one-and-done stuff.
00:14:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:53
jamie peacock
So yeah, like... it's very, yeah it's yeah saving me a lot of time in that I don't go and meander around and try find reasons not to program it.
00:15:03
Curt
Totally.
00:15:03
jamie peacock
And it's doing a pretty good job.
00:15:03
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:06
Curt
yeah well i mean just speaking of programming like i was racking my brain like trying to keep these clips off the fourth axis and then like at one point yesterday night morning whatever you want to call it my weird fugue state of programming i was like why don't i just like start running them on the fourth because it would make life so much easier and i'm like once that becomes annoying i can always move it i can always change it i'm like i can just start with that and then it's
00:15:07
jamie peacock
But yeah, well,
00:15:14
jamie peacock
yeah.
00:15:27
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:15:34
Curt
if I get real crafty, I might be able to do it as a one and done job.
00:15:37
jamie peacock
the fourth, yeah.
00:15:38
Curt
And I was like, on the fourth. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, I can only hold one at a time, but I'm like, it's like, it's just removing that barrier of like, okay, well then I have to build soft jaws and i have to build, you know, this other set of soft jaws to hold it in this orientation and all that.
00:15:44
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yes.
00:15:49
Curt
And like, just to, just to
Manufacturing Techniques and Tools
00:15:51
Curt
line up for production that might not even exist with that design. Like maybe I'll have to change something. So like, just don't be stupid. Put it on on the fourth machine, a handful and see if it work.
00:15:59
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, 100%. Like, yeah, it's the mental inertia with programming parts and new parts. It's just getting it getting to doing it like, in your mind, it's a huge ordeal.
00:15:59
Curt
So it's like, ah,
00:16:11
jamie peacock
In reality, it's not like, yeah, ah but I batched out a bunch of parts this week.
00:16:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:15
jamie peacock
It's like, it's a huge thing to program. In reality, I've got the part modeled in five minutes in the machine. Like I've got to go find a piece of material to machine it out of like, Oh, no, it's terrible.
00:16:22
Curt
Yeah, totally.
00:16:27
jamie peacock
a dog ah was made I was made fun of on the the community call on Toolpath for spending 10 minutes programming slithing sores. They're like, just put on the belt sand. I'm like, no, it comes off the machine, done.
00:16:28
Curt
Yeah, no, exactly.
00:16:40
jamie peacock
So i programmed, I machined the part from the top with...
00:16:44
Curt
yeah
00:16:44
jamie peacock
toolpath like I actually took a few things over to do it exactly I want then I drew a sketch on the bottom mirror sorry mirrored it the bar pullers arms I wanted undercuts and like comma two of a mill so I ran those two tool parts then I slipped the back off then the part comes all finished and there's a little step in everything I get quite creative with the slitting saws right up until I explode them
00:17:03
Curt
Yeah. i'm I'm on Jamie's side for that. i think that's the west the best way to do it. Slitting saw is, yeah, yeah.
00:17:12
jamie peacock
Dude, one and done like, so yesterday i was making parts for the good way making the way cover mounts.
00:17:15
Curt
Right.
00:17:20
jamie peacock
And those as well ah that I came up with a workflow for the toolpath to path will not let you send a setup that has two bodies of it. So I just mirrored the body because I need a left and a right and try to push as an error. I'm like, Okay, cool.
00:17:36
jamie peacock
modeled a web at across the bottom that's 0.8 thick and like 0.2 wide. Then it machines down to the bottom of that.
00:17:41
Curt
right
00:17:43
jamie peacock
Then I just programmed the slitting saw off the bottom of that web and it slits it off.
00:17:47
jamie peacock
And then I forgot to comp the, to put enough passes on the one side and ended up exploding my slitting saw because I was taking a three millimeter cut at stupid fast.
00:17:48
Curt
Nice.
00:17:48
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:17:57
jamie peacock
So yeah, that took me half an hour to get it off the arbor because when it explodes, it tightens the arbor more.
00:17:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:05
Curt
Oh, right. Yeah.
00:18:06
jamie peacock
Yes. And the Arbor slips in my ER32 collet that it's in. So I ended up putting a wrench on it and hitting it with a block of aluminium so it shock the nut loose. Eventually got it loose.
00:18:17
Curt
Right.
00:18:17
jamie peacock
And then putting I've got three spares because I always have spares. Got that retouched off and then ya ran ran another batch those parts.
00:18:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:25
jamie peacock
And yeah, that weigh cover will be on today. I've got to make some little um plastic spaces to go behind it so that the weigh cover... the piece of aluminium angle the way cover slots in and then there's a block of alley behind of plastic behind it that touches the um the table so it can't flex it's a little janky the shit i'm pulling there but yeah that way cover will be on today and then that'll be done yeah slithing saws my friend like uh so let me just take that off quickly um
00:18:44
Curt
OK. Hmm.
00:18:56
jamie peacock
uh the dutchman squeeze box guys came past yesterday so they phoned me on tuesday i'm like hey can we come past on saturday i've made parts for the one guy the last batch of pins i made half went to the one guy half went to his friend and he's like guy he wants to bring his friend through you need some parts made wants to come see the shop and chat to i'm like no problem yeah they came and dropped off 3 000 parts worth of orders and then want me to make sample screws for another 2 000 brass screws So I was chatting to them and the guy's like, yeah, he's got a little lathe. He makes the the buttons and he can, it took him three weeks to make 250 buttons.
00:19:32
jamie peacock
And he was like, so the guy I've been doing work for a while, he, the new guy was like, no, you're wasting your money.
00:19:32
Curt
Okay.
00:19:37
jamie peacock
Why don't you need to make the stuff yourself? And then he realized, wait, have someone who's good at it make it, and you can make your product you actually sell. So yeah he's, they want a thousand of the buttons, a thousand little plates, and another thousand little plates, and then 2000 screws.
00:19:52
jamie peacock
So I'm like, not a problem.
00:19:52
Curt
That's enough. Yeah.
00:19:53
jamie peacock
The plates are my favorite because i put a piece of brass uprights on the vase and then hit go and I come back in 26 minutes and there's 36 parts at the back of the machine.
00:20:03
Curt
so Oh, nice. OK, that's sick.
00:20:04
jamie peacock
yeah but Yeah.
00:20:05
Curt
That's good. Yeah.
00:20:06
jamie peacock
So it's a mill, chamfer, drill, backside chamfer, slitting saw, drop down, next one. And just fucking shits parts out. I did a thousand of them for a while ago, like a year ago, did a thousand of them.
00:20:14
Curt
Cool.
00:20:18
jamie peacock
And that took, I think, just over a day to machine them.
00:20:19
Curt
Nice.
00:20:22
Curt
Nice. And it's all brass, you said?
00:20:23
jamie peacock
It's all brass. It's literally just let the machine run. It's easy easy work.
00:20:27
Curt
Yeah. you
00:20:28
jamie peacock
And then that's the shit I want.
00:20:29
Curt
I see your tool.
00:20:29
jamie peacock
I want small, like small simple parts. That's the kind of work I'm looking for.
00:20:34
Curt
Yeah, and your tools are mint.
00:20:34
jamie peacock
I don't want to do...
00:20:35
Curt
Like, yeah, you're going to be.
00:20:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:20:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, going run them all, and my tool's not going even noticed that it's been doing anything. I think last time I rigid tapped a thousand holes with the hand tap. that I ground the end of all.
00:20:46
Curt
Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:47
jamie peacock
I'll probably buy a thread mill, although, i don't know, I'm probably going to just put tool break detect on that and just make sure it doesn't break and just let it run again because it worked. So if it worked, don't fuck with it.
00:20:55
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:00
jamie peacock
So that that's going to be fun. That's that's this week. They're like, send a quote, so we give you money. So I need to just check if I have brass today, and then I'll send them a quote and be like, cool, let's go. going to make your thousand plates.
00:21:00
Curt
and I'm with you on that.
00:21:10
jamie peacock
I'll be ready end of the week because I've got, I think, 200 pieces of aluminum arriving this week as well for different jobs.
00:21:12
Curt
Cool. Wow.
00:21:16
Curt
Wow.
00:21:17
jamie peacock
Like 200 little blocks is like 20 of this and 50 of this and then like 30 of the mag bases I make I'm just making stock again because I'm flat out of stock. So last time I bought 60 pieces, made 30 put them on the shelf, got an order for 30.
00:21:30
jamie peacock
Made the other 30, got another order and now I'm shit out of stock. So while I'm not getting orders, let me make more stock because they take all of six minutes to machine. may as well just spend half a day machining them and putting them on the shelf.
00:21:44
jamie peacock
because they do slowly move here.
00:21:45
Curt
Yeah, no, totally.
00:21:47
jamie peacock
Oh yeah, it's raining properly now. Jeez, just look at my cameras. There's water running in front of the one.
00:21:51
Curt
See, I can't.
00:21:52
jamie peacock
It's great.
00:21:53
Curt
can't quite hear it yet, so we're good.
00:21:53
jamie peacock
Oh no, you won't hear it. No, no, we've got tiles. You don't hear it on the roof tiles.
00:21:58
Curt
Oh, fair.
00:21:58
jamie peacock
It's really got to be beating down for the roof tiles to hear.
00:21:59
Curt
Okay. Yeah.
00:22:02
jamie peacock
But yeah, you know so Dutchman's Squeezebox. So there's actually, there's a tool part. I've got ah really stupid part, the buttons. So it's a turned component with a cross-drilled hole, but it's countersunk on both sides, or countersunk on both sides.
00:22:15
jamie peacock
So when you push the button, the pin that's in it can clear.
00:22:16
Curt
Okay.
00:22:20
Curt
Okay. Yeah.
00:22:21
jamie peacock
And I don't want to load the parts in the machine lots of times.
00:22:22
Curt
I get,
00:22:24
Curt
Okay.
00:22:25
jamie peacock
So I'm thinking Lollipop Cutter.
00:22:25
Curt
I think I know where this is going. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. hundred percent
00:22:29
jamie peacock
or chamfer mille yeah so then i can hold i can make a palette that i stick like freaking 20 other things out the side on each side and then just come in and i think it'll work i'm gonna make some samples and see just getting a lollipop cutter here is a bit of a problem so i'm gonna see if i can get a uh i might actually just try it with a big thread more
00:22:30
Curt
100%.
00:22:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:22:49
jamie peacock
like as a proof of concept and then I can order the exact size tool I need from China and wait for it to come and said to them because we're discussing the screws of my glist and I'll make sample screws but if we're going to go into production you're looking at probably a month for uh fixturing because I need to buy a whole bunch of four millimeter m4 martybarts and there's no way I'm buying them from martybarts I can get uh 40 of them for the price of eight
00:22:50
Curt
Totally. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:10
Curt
Yeah, fair. ah
00:23:14
Curt
Yeah, yeah, I get that.
00:23:14
jamie peacock
if I buy from from the Oriental so yeah I will be getting them from there either that or making own which I have been known to do
00:23:19
Curt
Yeah, I know.
00:23:25
Curt
Yeah, I have so many little things where i'm like, oh, I need a lollipop cutter. And same thing, I just like, oh I'll use a thread mill.
00:23:30
jamie peacock
yeah
00:23:31
Curt
Like, it'll work. But I was like, ah yeah, I need to get my hand on a few of those because they're so useful for that kind of stuff.
00:23:34
jamie peacock
So I know Hitek machine tools locally, they're the Mazak dealers. I've spoken to Chris then. He's like, oh, no, he will straight
3D Scanning and Video Projects
00:23:41
jamie peacock
up. He has them custom made locally. So if I need one, I must just shout, it's not cheap, but I can get one now because they do a bunch of fancy shit on the Mazaks.
00:23:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:48
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, it's a amazing.
00:23:49
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:50
jamie peacock
but They are really nice machines. My old boss's son just bought a or just ordered a Mazak lathe. for turning ball screws. He's he's a THK agent. and So they want to bring machining of ball screws in house.
00:24:03
jamie peacock
And he reckons five months lead time.
00:24:07
Curt
who yeah
00:24:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:24:09
Curt
yeah
00:24:09
jamie peacock
So I was chatting to about collared systems and whatnot. Because you get the like the Royal systems, but there's a better one that's not round. It's actually hexagonal or octagonal. And they they claim two microns run out.
00:24:20
Curt
Mm.
00:24:23
Curt
Whoa.
00:24:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I was like, dude, that that would be what I would go if I was doing ball screws, because it's standard sizes.
00:24:24
Curt
That's tight.
00:24:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:29
jamie peacock
You can change over in 20 seconds, and you've got really good concentricity and really good really good clamping for what you want to do. I mean, you're machining freaking thread and whatnot on the end. Like, it's not complicated.
00:24:42
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:24:42
jamie peacock
But yeah, that was a very interesting conversation when I was chatting to him about that.
00:24:47
Curt
Hmm.
00:24:47
jamie peacock
So yeah, how's your 3D scanner, Mr. Influencer?
00:24:53
Curt
It's actually pretty freaking cool. Um, I didn't, the, the last 3d scanner I messed with was like, uh, 2011, 2010.
00:25:02
jamie peacock
Oh wow, okay, yeah.
00:25:03
Curt
one eat ten So like that was my last, and that was like lots of DIY solutions.
00:25:05
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:25:08
Curt
Um, lots of very expensive software.
00:25:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:10
Curt
Nothing was dedicated, like structured light scanning just came out and that was still a lot of money for the software. And so I, anyways, I messed with this one and, uh, It's pretty, it's a, the Metro Y pro is pretty, pretty cool.
00:25:21
Curt
It's pretty, it's, I, I had like, I, I kind of assumed he would do a lot more than it can do. It's good. I don't think it'll work for my purposes, but for like bringing a model into CAD where then you can draw proper features off of,
00:25:36
jamie peacock
yeah
00:25:36
Curt
ah especially if it's organic like if you had to if you had to cad model something organic a hundred percent the way to go if you can access it with calipers gauges literally anything else way easier that way yeah if it's geometric shapes not a chance you would scan it and be time ahead but yeah if you want to copy like a car bumper like i get why all the car guys have them because i'm like oh this is infinitely easier like
00:25:46
jamie peacock
it's easier to just draw you can scan it and pick up where all the mounting points are and shit yeah
00:26:02
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:26:02
jamie peacock
but
00:26:03
Curt
Stuff that you would be very difficult to like hand measure and get accurate results. Like, yeah, it's, it's pretty cool. And they do like, it does like feature recognition. So you don't even have have have marker dots. Like it'll just, and and understand the move.
00:26:13
jamie peacock
Oh, nice. Yeah.
00:26:15
Curt
They're pretty cool. They're pretty cool.
00:26:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:17
Curt
So yeah, I've been pissing
00:26:18
jamie peacock
Now, I played with them my mate Roger's one, and we scanned the boat. And we scanned a few odds in and ends. um And, yeah, if you like, we actually took a rag and threw a crumpled up rag in the boat because it was too smooth.
00:26:29
Curt
Yep.
00:26:30
jamie peacock
And then it scans that and you just chop it out and you're done. But it's got enough texture that it can map that texture. It's, ah it's really cool.
00:26:36
Curt
Totally. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:37
jamie peacock
Like I've got the model of the boat. I'm not going to use it because I need to make a fricking plywood insert. Like it's not really worth the time to go and model over it.
00:26:44
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:45
jamie peacock
Like I'll just, there's some techniques I know to make that do what I want. Oh, wow. The monsoon has arrived.
00:26:53
jamie peacock
It's a bucketing down currently.
00:26:54
Curt
Yeah, so... I had some plans of like what I was going to use it for because like obviously there's a deal like they want me to shoot a video in order to keep it.
00:26:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:02
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:27:03
Curt
um And the video I wanted to do, it's not going to pair well with it. So I'm kind of I'm going to do something different now. But I wanted to scan a very well, i wanted to scan a part that's like literally like a four millimeter diameter pin that was like 15 millimeters long.
00:27:11
jamie peacock
gonna scan your workshop instead.
00:27:17
jamie peacock
Oh, geez.
00:27:19
Curt
And they're I'm like just warning you like I know that's going to be at the limit of your system. And it would work, but it's kind of it's kind of like one of those things of like, why? Like, why why are you doing this?
00:27:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:28
Curt
And like anywhere that watched the video, if you had any kind of knowledge, you'd be like, what's the point? So I kind of want to shoot a video that's like actually usable, like useful information.
00:27:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:37
Curt
So, yeah.
00:27:37
jamie peacock
They're useful to someone other than no 100%. hundred cent
00:27:40
Curt
Useful other than just being like, this is just content I'm putting out to satisfy a contract.
00:27:44
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:27:45
Curt
Like, I kind of want to put something out where people are like, oh that's a cool use case. And...
00:27:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:50
Curt
they'll also gain access to that content so i'm like well of course i'm gonna put my product into it because then like i get free mark it works both ways like there's so yeah i've been kind of thinking about that for bit but yeah it's cool it's cool who would have thought technology would evolve in like you know 15 odd years yeah
00:27:55
jamie peacock
100%. Yes.
00:28:01
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:05
jamie peacock
Dude, technology is crazy at this point. Like, yeah, the 3D scanning, 3D printing, all that stuff is just going so quickly. It's terrifying. I mean, that the machine behind me is five years old, four five years old now.
00:28:17
jamie peacock
It's so outdated. It's hilarious. Like you look at the the new bamboos, they're pulling bearing press fits off of the printer without trying. You model it to size, it comes off that size because there's so many of them in the wild and they've figured so much of the, like, yeah, they've got contour compensation, all sorts of fancy shit on the back end that the average user is never going to play with.
00:28:25
Curt
Yeah. totally.
00:28:40
jamie peacock
They're just going to print a thing and it's going to be right.
00:28:40
Curt
yeah
00:28:40
Curt
yeah totally
00:28:42
jamie peacock
And that's just through the, through scale, they've managed to achieve that.
00:28:48
Curt
Well, and and that was like, speaking of like technology and software and advancing, that was my main thing. Like with 3D scanning, I'm like, it's pointless because it dumps you a model that you're like, okay, sweet. Now I have this humongous mesh model.
00:28:59
Curt
Like, what am I going to do with it?
00:29:00
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:00
Curt
I have to patch it. I have to, and the software was so lacking. It's like, I have this holy mesh that I can't use for anything.
00:29:04
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:06
Curt
And now the software is like, oh, it's like there's like a one click like fusion i'm like this is not gonna work and i click it and it's like oh it's like 99 perfect i was like that's impressive like that that brought it from useful or like a trinket to like something useful so yeah
00:29:15
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, theys like that's the thing. Yeah. yeah
00:29:21
jamie peacock
Yeah, but that's again, having the the scale to be able to just throw resources behind it and develop the the stuff like that when you tried it last time, it was a bunch of guys, oh, this thing exists.
00:29:28
Curt
yeah yeah
00:29:32
jamie peacock
Let's try jankily make it ourselves in our spare time.
00:29:33
Curt
she
00:29:35
jamie peacock
Like, dude, that that was Hackaday and Instructables back in the the early 2010s.
00:29:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:29:41
jamie peacock
That's what it was. Guys like,
Industry Meetups and Networking
00:29:43
jamie peacock
I saw this thing.
00:29:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:29:44
jamie peacock
I've made my own copy of it It's really shit, but technically it works.
00:29:48
Curt
Yeah. No, totally.
00:29:49
jamie peacock
and yeah that technically it works and that that's what instructional and hackaday and all those places were in the in the early 2010s yeah
00:29:49
Curt
Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:29:58
Curt
oh yeah I was like, yeah, take this mesh and bring it into mesh mixer and now have a PhD knowledge of the software.
00:30:01
jamie peacock
yeah
00:30:03
Curt
Cause this can take you eight hours to figure out how to make this.
00:30:06
jamie peacock
yes and then autodesk are going to change the ur for you yeah no it's
00:30:06
Curt
It's like, Oh my God.
00:30:10
Curt
Yeah, exactly. Just like, oh, this is so much effort. Yeah.
00:30:14
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, it does it used to be way, way too much effort.
00:30:15
Curt
Technology is cool.
00:30:16
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's amazing how that stuff has just gotten easier and easier. But that's again with scale, like
00:30:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:30:23
jamie peacock
scale makes things easier. Even like fusion, you look at when fusion was introduced when was 2013 2014. And how that changed programming of CNC pods, because now you've got this large user base using it because it was free.
00:30:30
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:39
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:30:39
jamie peacock
And then it evolved and evolved and evolved and evolved. And it's just gotten better and better over time. And then yeah they move buttons. And now I'm angry.
00:30:47
Curt
Well, like 3D printing came out and like you had to be a wizard to be printing your own products because you had to have good CAD knowledge.
00:30:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, dude,
00:30:54
Curt
You had to know how to output it as an STL. You had to know how to run a slicer properly in the and the right orientation.
00:30:57
jamie peacock
in the right orientation because you couldn't reorient. Dude, that used to kill me when I start when i built my first printer. I was using Slice3R and you had to bring it in the right orientation.
00:31:10
Curt
right. Sick.
00:31:11
jamie peacock
Then I went to Cura because I could move the orientation because every dickhead on Thingiverse would output it in the wrong freaking orientation. Like, yeah, you used to have but have to have a shitload of knowledge of it.
00:31:20
Curt
Totally, yeah.
00:31:24
jamie peacock
Now you push it, to say easy mode print, and it's done. Like, but again, scale.
00:31:28
Curt
Yep.
00:31:30
Curt
Absolutely, yeah.
00:31:31
jamie peacock
And that's why, like, because yeah now you buy a printer, not because you want a hobby, because you want to print shit.
00:31:36
Curt
Absolutely. So now if they can just do that with 2D printers, I'll be all for it.
00:31:37
jamie peacock
Like, I actually need to order socks for mine.
00:31:41
jamie peacock
and That would be great, yeah.
00:31:43
Curt
boom
00:31:43
jamie peacock
Basically, HP needs just die.
00:31:43
Curt
They can make paper printers?
00:31:45
jamie peacock
Dude, my mother-in-law has an HP printer.
00:31:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:49
jamie peacock
It won't scan because she put a non-genuine ink cartridge in once.
00:31:53
Curt
right? Like, what are we doing?
00:31:54
jamie peacock
It's like, what the hell?
00:31:55
Curt
What are we doing?
00:31:55
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, like there will be nothing HP in my house ever. I'm not interested in touching their stuff. They they are anti-consumer as hell. My favorite is they their call center.
00:32:06
jamie peacock
Puts you on hold for 15 minutes before it'll put you through to somebody in an attempt to get you to fix the problem yourself. Like, literally, if you phone the HP helpline, you will wait 15 minutes.
00:32:13
Curt
i Yeah.
00:32:17
jamie peacock
Regardless of how busy they are. They just put you on a hold to try and get you to fix it yourself.
00:32:21
Curt
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:32:22
jamie peacock
It's insane. Like, yeah, absolutely insane.
00:32:24
Curt
I remember when we bought an office printer and I remember setting it up and it asked me, it's like, do you want to put in your address so I can auto order my own ink? I was like, no, that sounds like a horrible idea.
00:32:35
jamie peacock
Yeah, I know.
00:32:36
Curt
Like I'm going to keep a pistol next to you. And if you make weird noises, like that's the amount of leash I'm giving you.
00:32:39
jamie peacock
yeah
00:32:42
Curt
That's it.
00:32:42
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, no, fucking hell.
00:32:44
Curt
So yeah. Hmm.
00:32:46
jamie peacock
I must say the Epson ink tanks are really good. and The ink's cheap. Danica's printed probably 10,000 pages through our one. um
00:32:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:54
jamie peacock
if She does bookbinding and she'll literally print a whole frickin' book on the printer.
00:32:59
Curt
Yeah,
00:32:59
jamie peacock
And then I've got a little black and white laser printer and that thing ah feel nothing to print a 500 page manual. the Because now when I bought them originally, you couldn't get knockoff cartridges.
00:33:07
Curt
yeah yeah
00:33:11
jamie peacock
And the cartridge cost twice as much as the printer. Now you get knockoff ones. The printer only like $40. And you put a knockoff cartridge and you can print like 2,000 or 3,000 pages through it on a single cartridge.
00:33:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:25
jamie peacock
good It's great.
00:33:25
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:26
jamie peacock
I just need to be able to print stuff in the workshop.
00:33:29
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:29
jamie peacock
Because admin and shit.
00:33:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:31
jamie peacock
But yeah, before we continue, we have Patreons. And they make the wheels on the podcast go round and round. Thank you to all of our Patreons who get the fancy after show. um Thank you to Jade from Benchmark20, Luke from Fantastic, eat AJ from Subtract Manufacturing and 22 other companies, EJ from Nocturnal Welding, Jason S and the Aussie Machinist.
00:33:51
jamie peacock
And yes, that number keeps going up.
00:33:54
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, the money from the Patreon is going towards IMTS next year, where we're going to kidnap Kurt and go over Joel. Also, we will be doing a Monday meetup, because if I manage to get Kurt to go there, I'm not going there as bar machine. So I'm going there. For me, it's just making sure that I can see what's new and amazing in the world and not fall behind.
00:33:54
Curt
Oh.
00:34:14
jamie peacock
So yeah, if anyone wants to meet up on the Monday and have someone to walk around the show with, I'll be there on the Monday, and we'll do a meetup. But yeah, we'll solicit somebody for a booth that we can do the meetup in.
00:34:21
Curt
so
00:34:25
Curt
Or just meet in the bathroom.
00:34:25
jamie peacock
But yeah. Yes, we'll meet in the Hall C.
00:34:31
Curt
ah
00:34:32
jamie peacock
We'll let you know about where the meetup's going to be. But yeah, I'm going to do Monday meetup because I'm not there to buy a machine. So I'm there just look at what's cool and make some contacts.
00:34:42
jamie peacock
Like Danica and I are actually chatting about the last year's trip and how that has actually led to a bunch of interesting stuff. Like we can tangibly say it was worth going there now.
00:34:54
Curt
That's cool. That's good.
00:34:54
jamie peacock
Because it wasn't exactly the cheapest trip to fly out to the US and stay there for a week.
00:34:55
Curt
That's good.
00:34:59
jamie peacock
But yeah, definitely worth the money. Like just for the networking alone, it's worth it.
00:35:05
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. No, I could see value in that for sure.
00:35:07
jamie peacock
And I get free entry into IMTS because I'm a foreigner.
00:35:12
jamie peacock
Yes. So Danik has already signed us both up.
00:35:13
Curt
I wonder if I do. know
00:35:15
jamie peacock
You'd also be a foreigner. um
00:35:16
Curt
I guess, yeah.
00:35:17
jamie peacock
Yeah, we've both signed up already for IMTS 2026. Good.
00:35:21
Curt
Yeah. I mean, they probably won't let me back into Canada unless I'm to be off to some prison, but either way, at least I get in for free.
00:35:25
jamie peacock
ah You can just swim across the lake. You'll be fine. It's like a half skip and a jump.
00:35:29
Curt
Yeah. It's a cold lake. It's a big cold lake.
00:35:32
jamie peacock
I'll bring you a dry suit.
00:35:36
Curt
Bring me your boat.
00:35:36
jamie peacock
We'll build you a cardboard canoe and you can paddle.
00:35:39
Curt
Perfect. Yeah.
00:35:40
jamie peacock
Yeah, there we go. oh
00:35:43
Curt
So what's your, or yeah, whatever you want.
00:35:43
jamie peacock
So what? Oh, yeah, go for it. No, no, go for it.
00:35:47
Curt
I said, what's your awesome anno?
00:35:50
jamie peacock
I don't know if you saw that. Oh, yeah, you did see it. You liked it. The Hulk, and know for the for the gang blocks.
00:35:54
Curt
o Yes.
00:35:55
jamie peacock
Yeah. So I put a poll out, but I limited it to three hours.
00:35:56
Curt
Yes.
00:35:58
jamie peacock
i was going to anodize it that afternoon and then didn't feel like it. But yeah, ah gave options to the Instagram community and green came back. And then that green, oh my word, on the 7075, it's so deep and light.
00:36:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's beautiful.
00:36:12
Curt
Yeah, it's really vibrant.
00:36:12
jamie peacock
It's like a beautiful deep green. Yeah. And then the purple bar puller. So it's Hulk.
00:36:17
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:18
jamie peacock
So those, I don't have bolts.
00:36:18
Curt
It's cool.
00:36:20
jamie peacock
I need M8x90 cap screws. And the hardware store up the road didn't have, so I'll have to go on Monday to the industrial supply place and just go pick up some bolts. And then I can bolt them to the table, boring head in the spindle, bore the bores out, and then I'm ready to run parts.
00:36:36
Curt
Cool. That's good.
00:36:37
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:37
Curt
That's awesome.
00:36:37
jamie peacock
Like running production parts on there. I've started putting covers on. I'm sorting out the last way cover. So machine will be buttoned up and running parts this week.
00:36:46
Curt
That's cool. I like the weight covers on that machine too.
00:36:46
jamie peacock
It's going to be
00:36:48
Curt
They're like the, I think like star Swiss lades have the same one.
00:36:51
jamie peacock
Oh yeah, on the front.
00:36:51
Curt
They're kind of like, yeah, I like that one.
00:36:52
jamie peacock
Yes, I bought that from China land because that cover was missing.
00:36:55
Curt
Oh, cool.
00:36:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I just bought that one cover and I'm busy attaching that that's the way i cover that I still have to attach.
00:36:56
Curt
Oh,
00:37:00
Curt
I like those. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, they're cool.
00:37:02
Curt
Like little aluminum slats.
00:37:02
jamie peacock
That shit will still get under them, but you can just flip it up and clean.
00:37:03
Curt
but but Yeah.
00:37:06
jamie peacock
That's fine. Like um there was a cover on the end of the box ways that I left off. So if shit gets in there, it can drain out because it had a cover on both ends. So it would fill up with freaking coolant.
00:37:16
Curt
Yeah, it's dumb. Yeah.
00:37:16
jamie peacock
That's kind of stupid. So just left the cover off. Optimize the design.
00:37:20
Curt
Yeah.
00:37:20
jamie peacock
Saving weight. um
00:37:22
Curt
Perfect.
00:37:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, even Carl's MPG saved weight. It had six screws. I put two back in. It's not going to fall apart. Also, the screws were not the OEM screws. They were cut off with a bolt cutter and then just forced in. So getting them out was a bit of an issue.
00:37:36
jamie peacock
So we'll swap them for decent ones. Yeah, but that anode, and then also anode some anchor points that are leaving on Monday. actually need to have a chat to the people they're going to.
00:37:43
Curt
oh cool.
00:37:45
jamie peacock
um Some custom branded ones that are going out as samples because I wasn't happy with the surface finish. There were three that I wasn't happy with the surface finish when I machined them, and then I changed end mills. And then the other nine I'm happy with.
00:37:57
jamie peacock
So those three d got samplized and trying to get some goodwill at one of the places.
00:38:01
Curt
a
00:38:03
jamie peacock
So...
00:38:04
Curt
Nice. Nice.
00:38:05
jamie peacock
I'm sure they'll show up on Instagram in the next week or so.
00:38:06
Curt
i
00:38:09
Curt
That's awesome. And i I also hate that when you change a tool and you're like, oh no, that's all it was. And you're like, god damn, I guess these are all the same. I've played that game so many times.
00:38:17
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it's my long 12 mil.
00:38:18
Curt
I'm like, well, I'm going garbage these.
00:38:21
jamie peacock
And the problem is i use it every now and again.
00:38:22
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:23
jamie peacock
Like that tool actually got taken out and put away. But I'd used it a little bit, so it wasn't cutting nicely. So I put a fresh one in and beautiful. So now I need to order another three of those from China Land so that I have spares for the next and or the next batch of anchor points, which yeah may be coming up rather quickly.
00:38:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:39
jamie peacock
I need to send out a quote for basically the rest of what I have in stock.
00:38:39
Curt
Cool.
00:38:40
Curt
Good. That's awesome.
00:38:44
Curt
Cool.
00:38:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, so we'll see.
00:38:45
Curt
Cool.
00:38:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I need to chat to them and get that all buttoned up. And then I'll have to run another batch, which will be cool. I'm kind of thinking I should, yeah, we'll see. I might just order the material and do it in the beginning of January when things are a little bit quiet.
00:38:58
jamie peacock
um Just rock out the next batch of anchor points that I've got stock again of like another probably 10 or 20 units.
00:38:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:05
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:39:06
jamie peacock
So yeah, I've got the ano at this point pretty freaking dialed. Like my process is pretty dialed.
00:39:11
Curt
Yeah, I'd say so.
00:39:12
jamie peacock
The only issue issue I have is consistency of color. And that comes down to a multitude of factors factors.
00:39:16
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:39:18
jamie peacock
There's pH, there's amount of dissolved aluminium in your acid, there's a whole bunch of factors. So it is what it is. There's expect variation in the color.
00:39:29
Curt
Yeah, but
Advanced AI and Automation
00:39:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, like, ah I don't have enough currents to get black black. So it's dark gray.
00:39:30
Curt
i think I think most people kind of, yeah.
00:39:36
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:37
jamie peacock
Like on my ankle bodies, it looks yeah.
00:39:37
Curt
It looks good. I saw that dark gray. Yeah, it looks it looks really good.
00:39:39
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:39:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:40
jamie peacock
Yeah. And I don't know those that's your kind of your kind of choice.
00:39:40
Curt
was like, ooh.
00:39:42
jamie peacock
I know that.
00:39:44
Curt
Oh, was like, ooh, those are pretty. I'm like, is this is making me...
00:39:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:39:47
Curt
I am, as I'm designing this stupid pen, I'm not i'm not making the same mistake again.
00:39:50
jamie peacock
Does
00:39:52
Curt
I'm like, every single part, I'm like, it has to fit on a palette or else I'm not interested because I'm like, I'm not playing this stupid game of SoftJaws anymore.
00:39:56
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:39:59
Curt
Like, it makes me want to walk into traffic.
00:40:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, 100%.
00:40:02
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:03
jamie peacock
Yeah, I would, yeah, we'll we'll chat about that after about how you plan on laying that.
00:40:04
Curt
Yep.
00:40:08
jamie peacock
I plan on laying out all your pieces of material what material using all the shit I'm kind of curious.
00:40:13
Curt
Yeah, it's basically what you told me. It's nothing rocket surgery. Just like, yeah, it's going to be much, much easier than the stupid way I was doing it.
00:40:19
jamie peacock
yeah well yeah we'll have a look after the after the thing uh yeah so how's your local ar going
00:40:20
Curt
But live and learn.
00:40:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:27
Curt
Uh, great. It's, uh, and horrible simultaneously. It's like, the problem is like, I'm also very interested in this just like as a technical interesting, like to me, it's just like, it's crazy interesting.
00:40:35
jamie peacock
yes yeah
00:40:38
Curt
If I had no use out of this, I would still do it. Like it's really fun. Um, but it works oddly well. um it The more I learn about AI, the more I realize I know nothing about AI, and the more I realize we are so far away from AGI, and then the more I also realize we are so stupidly close to AGI. It's like a weird thing where it's like you can view it from so many different angles,
00:40:59
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:41:00
Curt
um But anyways, for people following along, I'm using Olama, which is like one of the greatest open source like AI kind of things. And I'm coupling it with another piece of software called Anything LLM, which is also open source.
00:41:13
Curt
And it lets you run locally on your system. depending on how much ah graphics RAM you have, you can run different models on your system. And then by using anything LLM, it lets you couple what they call agents.
00:41:26
Curt
And agents let you do fancy things like, because if it's a local system, it can't access the internet. But an agent will let you be like, hey, can you search the internet for whatever news on when asteroid to hit the Earth?
00:41:38
Curt
And it'll go, okay. And then it'll search the web and it'll come back with your answer. So you're not... running on the cloud you're still running locally but have access to anyways and you can do things like can you write me an email like you can interact with your software can you save this to my desktop like that kind of stuff i want to do where it's not just like i don't i don't need a friend to chat to i mean it kind of like i kind of like having a friend chat to but um that's where you come in i don't need ai to do that um but yeah so anyways it's really cool the one thing i wanted to do and i i kind of sent you an image for it is i started uh downloading all the transcriptions for our podcasts
00:41:43
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:58
jamie peacock
Yes. You don't need a robot for that.
00:42:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:12
Curt
and plop it in as a basically long-term memory so I could search it. But that's not the way i work AI works.
00:42:18
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:42:19
Curt
It uses vectorized memory and it like chunks data so you can't like you can't scrub through a billion-page document be like, how many times did I say the word poop or whatever?
00:42:23
jamie peacock
Uh.
00:42:28
jamie peacock
Yeah. Psychopath, because apparently we say that a lot.
00:42:29
Curt
And it goes, you said it. Or psychopathic, yeah. Like, it doesn't do that. That's not how ai works because that's not how the memory is stored.
00:42:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:36
Curt
And it's just like learning how the memory is stored. It's been interesting. Yeah, it's I've been um been having a lot of fun with it.
00:42:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:43
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:42:43
Curt
it's It's made me realize ah why. Like, I looked at the, so a lot of these models are kind of like compressed models. AI is basically just chains of numbers in boxes, if you want to think of it that way.
00:42:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:42:54
Curt
And these numbers are like 32-bit floating numbers, like enormously long numbers.
00:42:54
jamie peacock
Yeah. Oh
00:42:58
Curt
And you have an enormous amount of them. And you have to store it only in video RAM. You can't store it in RAM. It has to be in video RAM to run these models. Yeah. So like if you want to run like the, there's not data on it because that they don't release this, but if you want to run like the latest chat GPT model, like what they're running in the cloud, you're probably looking at something around like,
00:43:17
jamie peacock
yeah
00:43:19
Curt
probably between 400 and 800 gigabytes of VRAM that you need to just run them on.
00:43:22
jamie peacock
oh wow Yeah.
00:43:26
Curt
Like DeepSeek, you can download DeepSeek, the full model, and it's, I 440 gigabytes of RAM to run it if you want to run it in its full form.
00:43:32
jamie peacock
Jeez. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah.
00:43:35
Curt
So it's like, good luck. Like, you the biggest graphic cards I found nowadays are like, and there is dedicated hardware that runs these things, whatever, dedicated chipsets.
00:43:41
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:43:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:43
jamie peacock
A6, y'all.
00:43:45
Curt
And like, so yeah, anyways, so like I have 16 gigabytes to play with, which lets you run some pretty amazing models still. um
00:43:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:43:53
Curt
Yeah, it's been it's been a ton of fun just geeking out on that. i just, I don't know. I've been... just I see why people are like, chat like all these things like AI uses so much bandwidth because I'm like, oh, I get it now.
00:44:02
jamie peacock
yeah yeah pinzels nice
00:44:05
Curt
I understand why because it's, it pins like as soon as I do ah ah like a query on my system, it pins my graphics card and it's just like, oh, that's cool. It's using everything it can handle to crunch the numbers and yeah, it's pretty slick.
00:44:18
jamie peacock
do you follow michael reeves did you see him gaslighting the the short Hawaiian dude gaslighting chat gpt
00:44:18
Curt
So.
00:44:21
Curt
Mm-hmm. Yeah, the little like,
00:44:29
Curt
I don't know if I did. No, I might be thinking of a different guy, but anyways.
00:44:31
jamie peacock
Okay, so there's, I'm gonna make sure there's a link in the document. I'll find it. I'll find and I'll send you the link. But basically, if you're using the API to talk to chat GPT, you you know the video?
00:44:42
Curt
Yes, yes.
00:44:43
jamie peacock
Yeah, yeah. Where he basically adds responses in and it just loses its mind.
00:44:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:44:49
Curt
Oh, well, that also brings me up to another point of like anybody who's paying for chat GPT as like as a subscription service. It's like it's the total wrong way to do it.
00:44:56
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:44:57
Curt
Like you can run these local models, but you can also tie into the cloud and then you can pay chat GPT in a token base.
00:45:05
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:45:05
Curt
That's how all these APIs work.
00:45:05
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:07
Curt
So you can basically ask it like pretend you were another company that's using chat to run your your local AI, which a ton of people do like. we're whatever company and we'll take your podcast and transcode or whatever. And they're just using a backend, but they're using an API access, which means you only pay for the tokens that you use.
00:45:23
Curt
So instead of paying like 20 or 30 bucks a month, just pay per token. And you like, if you don't use much, you don't pay much. If you use a bunch, you pay a bunch. And like, that's the way to pay for these AIs nowadays, not to like, just give them a blanket cash, just pay for what you use.
00:45:31
jamie peacock
yeah
00:45:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:45:36
Curt
and But it you gotta be a dork to set it up.
00:45:37
jamie peacock
No, 100%. noop
00:45:39
Curt
So yeah.
00:45:40
jamie peacock
Yeah. So yeah I will, I'll find the thing and then I'll, I'll give it to you. Cause it's fricking, it's hilarious that he's a gaslighter.
00:45:45
Curt
Cool. Cool.
00:45:48
jamie peacock
Basically how, how do you recommend I stop drinking or something? And then he, it gives him a whole bunch of suggestions. oh How do I stop smoking? Sorry. gives him a bunch of suggestions. Then he adds in another one, do hard drugs.
00:45:59
jamie peacock
And then he asks it to please elaborate on that.
00:46:00
Curt
Right.
00:46:02
jamie peacock
But now it hasn't given him the answer, but the way it works is it sends your whole chat back through the, when you respond, ah at least through the API.
00:46:08
Curt
Yep.
00:46:10
jamie peacock
So yeah, then this thing, like, loses its mind. It's freaking hilarious.
00:46:16
Curt
I love that.
00:46:17
jamie peacock
So I'll make sure we put a link in there in the show notes for it, because it's great. um Yeah. And then I see you are Linux on Windowsing.
00:46:27
Curt
Yeah. Did you know you could do that?
00:46:29
jamie peacock
but Virtual machines.
00:46:29
Curt
I did not.
00:46:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:31
Curt
No. like the ah Like there's a WLS, Windows Linux subsystem.
00:46:37
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:46:38
Curt
So like right now on my computer, I have a little Ubuntu button and I can click it and it opens up
00:46:42
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:44
Curt
Ubuntu right in my windows.
00:46:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:46
Curt
it's And it's not even a Ubuntu, whatever you want.
00:46:47
jamie peacock
Also, you're mispronouncing that.
00:46:51
jamie peacock
Yes, Ubuntu.
00:46:51
Curt
Be fancy.
00:46:52
jamie peacock
Wenj, can I have coffee?
00:46:53
Curt
Anyways.
00:46:56
jamie peacock
Sorry. Top notch podcasting. Kurt, can I pause for a second because I need a cup of coffee.
00:47:01
Curt
Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah, take your time, man.
00:47:02
jamie peacock
Okay, cool.
00:47:05
jamie peacock
Okay, and I'm back with a cup of coffee.
00:47:05
Curt
All right. Yeah.
00:47:07
jamie peacock
So back to Kurt's story.
00:47:08
Curt
Now you're well caffeinated. Yes. So ah yeah, WSL allows you to run, you run just like your Linux distros on Windows, or your yeah your Linux distros on Windows, and it's not running as a virtual machine.
00:47:19
Curt
It's running like the actual distro, which is really cool.
00:47:20
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:47:21
Curt
And they the super creepy thing that kind of melts my mind is you can mix commands. So whatever commands you'd use in like PowerShell on Windows, and then commands you'd use in just Terminal on Linux, you can just like, you can cross-pollinate, which is just like...
00:47:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:47:35
Curt
I was just like, this is this seems wrong on 900 levels.
00:47:35
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:47:38
Curt
So anyways, if you guys want to mess with it, go on your like Windows computer, open up command prompt or whatever it's called, PowerShell, um type WSL space dash dash install. Boom. Hit it and it'll automatically install Ubuntu for you.
00:47:52
Curt
And I don't know if you can use like a GUI, like a GUI. I know if you can...
00:47:58
jamie peacock
Okay. So it's running just the, it's just running the, like the backend side of it.
00:48:02
Curt
Yeah, you know, it might let you actually run the GUI. I don't need it for that. I'm just using it for the...
00:48:06
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:48:07
Curt
But yeah, it's it's creepy how well it works.
00:48:08
jamie peacock
Using it for the for the AR stuff.
00:48:11
Curt
Yeah, because it runs... Everything is so much better on Linux um ah in general.
00:48:12
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah. Yes.
00:48:15
Curt
But for AI stuff, it's just like you can direct pull and just... It's so much so much nicer. Yeah.
00:48:20
jamie peacock
yeah I haven't got around to searching to Linux for my work PC yet.
00:48:25
Curt
I know I kind of want to, but yeah, it's...
00:48:27
jamie peacock
Yes, I'm trying to be a responsible adult.
00:48:29
Curt
The more I... like the
00:48:30
jamie peacock
And it turns out really difficult to buy a frickin small computer case these days.
00:48:36
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:48:37
jamie peacock
Like the the local places doesn't have any of the ones I want anymore.
00:48:37
Curt
Yeah, yeah, fair.
00:48:40
jamie peacock
Like every time I load one in my cart, I come back three days later and stock. It's very, very frustrating.
00:48:45
Curt
i Buy a giant one. That's the way to go.
00:48:47
jamie peacock
No, I want a mini PC in my old workshop. I have a giant one. The giant one's actually coming inside upstairs here for Danica.
00:48:53
Curt
Hmm.
00:48:54
jamie peacock
My, fuck at this point, 14 year old gaming PC is finally going to be retired. um
00:49:00
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:49:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's ah it's a Sempron X6.
00:49:01
Curt
That's up there.
00:49:05
jamie peacock
AMD Sempron X6. Or Phenom X6. Phenom X6.
00:49:09
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:49:09
jamie peacock
It's like, yeah, six cores from when six cores weren't cool.
00:49:10
Curt
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:13
jamie peacock
um It's got like 12 gigs of RAM in it, but yeah one of the RAM sticks is getting dodgy. I have to reseat it like once a week now. So I think that that case, I'm going to play musical PCs and just move a bunch shit around to get us two decent PCs and this gaming PC for our TVs.
00:49:20
Curt
Oh, no.
00:49:26
Curt
Right.
00:49:32
Curt
Right, right, right.
00:49:32
jamie peacock
because I could steal this case, but I kind of want a smaller case.
00:49:32
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:37
jamie peacock
I'm just being pedantic.
00:49:38
Curt
Yeah, fair enough.
00:49:39
jamie peacock
So, playing music.
00:49:39
Curt
Nah, they're cute. I like the little builds too.
00:49:41
jamie peacock
yeah
00:49:41
Curt
They're fun. Yeah.
00:49:42
jamie peacock
Yeah. um ah Yeah. There's a deep cool one that I don't really want. I don't like the case that much, but it's all that's left in the micro and the mini RTX like options
00:49:53
Curt
Well, the stupid part like this, but I'm blaming everything, everything here on my interest in AI is like, oh, I want to build like, I want to buy like the dedicated motherboard so I can run these crazy like VRAM to build it in my basement, build like my own like supercomputer and just like, why?
00:50:07
jamie peacock
does it Does it have to be VRAM or can it run in your RAM?
00:50:09
Curt
i don't know why. Has to be VRAM.
00:50:13
jamie peacock
OK.
00:50:13
Curt
uh no and like the date like the data watching like because some people um like because uh i was like oh i'll use apple because apple has unified memory so you can use the ram as graphics ram i was like perfect i'm gonna buy a bunch of like macs and just link them all together um which people have obviously done i'm not the first one to figure this out and then you start realizing you're limited by in an interconnectable speed like even if you use their
00:50:23
jamie peacock
okay Yeah. OK, yeah.
00:50:35
jamie peacock
Yes, it's sch connect speeds, yeah.
00:50:37
Curt
Even if you use their like Thunderbolt or whatever Apple has that goes faster than your 10 gigabit or whatever you can get through a network cable.
00:50:40
jamie peacock
yeah
00:50:44
Curt
It's still like the limiting factor. It's like the amount of data that these models push through is mind boggling.
00:50:50
jamie peacock
insane or even if you look at them amount the amount of data hdmi 2.1 can push through it's insane like just to your display the amount of data you yeah it's it is an enormous number of gigabytes per second
00:50:50
Curt
Like incredible.
00:50:56
Curt
Oh yeah. i
00:51:02
Curt
It's crazy.
00:51:02
jamie peacock
Because now, like the 2.1 standards pushing through HDR stuff.
00:51:04
Curt
Crazy.
00:51:09
jamie peacock
And yeah, like the amount like a TV, the amount of data that a TV is passing is insane, especially like a fancy TV with local dimming zones, where it's got like 2000 dimming zones, and it's looking at what's on the screen and deciding what the backlight needs to be in that specific zone of the screen.
00:51:23
Curt
right I didn't even think about that.
00:51:23
jamie peacock
It's and the amount of data that's going on like on a high end big TV is nuts.
00:51:30
Curt
Oh, wild.
00:51:31
jamie peacock
yeah I'm sure LTT did a TV where it was um like a 144-inch, some giant TV, a 4K TV or 8K TV with a 1080p resolution on its dimming zones.
00:51:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:45
jamie peacock
So it's effectively a 1080p LED d panel that is dimming your backlight, and then it's got the LCD in front of that.
00:51:46
Curt
oh
00:51:49
Curt
Right.
00:51:53
jamie peacock
Like, it's insane. But yeah, like ah just an HDMI cable, the amount data that can push through is nuts. like when you're doing high bit rate video and stuff like that.
00:51:53
Curt
Wild.
00:52:01
Curt
yeah's Yeah.
00:52:03
jamie peacock
it yeah It's very interesting. Like the amount of data that moves around these days. Because, I mean, isn't there a famous quote from, ah want to say it's from Bill Gates. was like, no, you'll never need more than like 64 kilobytes of memory.
00:52:16
jamie peacock
Yeah, sure, friend.
00:52:16
Curt
Absolutely.
00:52:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:17
jamie peacock
Like, yeah.
00:52:18
Curt
yeah
00:52:18
jamie peacock
i mean, even even the phones these days. It's 120 gigs on there. So in what world do you need that?
00:52:23
Curt
yeah
00:52:24
jamie peacock
But then you go look and you've got 6,000 photos.
00:52:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:28
jamie peacock
And they're all a couple megabytes each.
00:52:29
Curt
Liquid-cooled phones, right? First production model just came out. like it's and We live in the future, folks.
00:52:38
jamie peacock
yeah jeez yeah we are 100% due
00:52:38
Curt
Anyways. I mean, no one's listening anymore. the only There's a two hardcore nerds that are in basements that are listening. We lost everybody in that last 10-minute sprint.
00:52:46
jamie peacock
well yeah yeah but it is interesting to uh to actually discuss the technologies but well yeah
00:52:47
Curt
But... yeah
00:52:55
Curt
Yeah, and then we have we have machines running on two megabytes of memory.
00:53:02
jamie peacock
Well, i mean, I just, I gutted out the Finuc controller on the on the good way. And the amount of, like, the space of the 5 kilowatt is now a 5 kilowatt drive. Like, it's insane.
00:53:12
Curt
ah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:14
jamie peacock
The server amplifier was that big. It's got two little boxes this big. And it's more amperage.
00:53:18
Curt
yeah
00:53:19
jamie peacock
Like, it is insane how far that's come. Granted, that was a 31-year-old machine, which makes me feel old as hell.
00:53:28
jamie peacock
No, it's come a long way. Even if you just look back over the last 20 years or 10 years, how far stuff has come.
00:53:28
Curt
Yeah, it's up there.
00:53:35
Curt
Yeah, yeah, no doubt, right?
00:53:35
jamie peacock
like It's come a long way in a very short span of time. Even we're discussing, was I discussing this? Oh, I was on the Discord chat on Friday.
00:53:47
jamie peacock
Someone was asking about an electronic lead screw. And I'm like, yeah, put a servo. You can buy a 750 watt servo for less money than a 12 Newton meter stepper with power supply.
00:53:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:53:59
jamie peacock
It's literally cheaper to just buy an AC servo now. and Like, that's been the last year or so it's been like that. It's nuts. And then you don't need a power supply. It takes straight single phase in. Like, it makes no sense to go steppers anymore.
00:53:59
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:12
Curt
yeah no Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:54:14
jamie peacock
Like, oh so I was at yesterday.
00:54:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:15
jamie peacock
So yesterday we were playing on Bertha again. um I regret not putting that 3.7 kilowatt VFD on there a long time ago.
00:54:25
jamie peacock
It's a beast. We're running constant surface feed and like all the things.
00:54:25
Curt
Oh, yeah, I think I saw that.
00:54:26
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:29
jamie peacock
ah But he's got a he's got a milling machine. i'm like, dude, just go by step a motor or a servo, whatever. And I'll give you a little thing I've got that will, you can basically set the feed Because you've old manual horizontal mill.
00:54:40
jamie peacock
But he stands there and cranks the thing for an arm. I'm like, dude, let's automate it. Put a wiper motor that you can just set the feed and have it stop. So you can go do something else. Just keep an ear on it and an eye. like If it sounds wrong, go look.
00:54:51
jamie peacock
But you can leave it to run. like You can automate that process a bit. Because he's the only person I've ever seen who's actually used the support arm on his horizontal. And he made himself a line boring thing to cut semicircles and blocks of steel.
00:55:05
Curt
Okay, so you're cranking for years.
00:55:06
jamie peacock
But it takes he makes bending
Practical Machining Tips
00:55:08
jamie peacock
dies.
00:55:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:55:08
jamie peacock
So yeah, it's a fly cutter effectively and it takes forever. um
00:55:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:55:12
jamie peacock
So we're discussing he's the only listens. Hello, Kamesh. um We're discussing automating that yesterday. And then you we ran Bertha we ran some little dimpled think he was a little eight millimeter pipe or tube round bar vendors.
00:55:25
jamie peacock
Then I showed him the workflow to make his his tool parts effectively parametric so you just go into a model change the diameter and it just you go through regenerator generated tool parts by how we constrained everything so we got that sorted made a bunch of those and then we ran 160 diameter chunk of year
00:55:46
Curt
I think I saw that one. Yeah.
00:55:47
jamie peacock
dude it ran like we we were pushing it we stalled the spindle twice. So it was doing a roughing cycle with a grooving tool. We're using a button nose like a round nose grooving tool so that you had less pressure when you engage it and chatter like as you went deeper.
00:56:04
Curt
Mm hmm.
00:56:04
jamie peacock
And then at the end, it was doing some funny shit and it stalled the spindle. So I was like, Okay, cool. Just got to release everything before they check the leads are correct and hit go and we ran the last little bit. But it ran beautifully. But but half a millimeter clearance between the part and the the table of the machine.
00:56:22
jamie peacock
because the tool sits 38.5 millimeters. like I faced the part a little bit, came off, and then just turned the sp spindle off and just jogged to see where it was going to touch.
00:56:22
Curt
o That's getting tight
00:56:30
Curt
tight.
00:56:33
jamie peacock
And it was going to touch at 38.5, 39 mils. The whole job needed to be 39 millimeters.
00:56:36
Curt
who
00:56:39
jamie peacock
So when we faced half a mil off the front, we yeah we made more clearance.
00:56:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:42
jamie peacock
But yeah, it ran and ran beautifully.
00:56:42
Curt
Oh, yeah. Tons room then, yeah.
00:56:45
jamie peacock
like And with that big VFD, it can do 300 RPM and still take a cut.
00:56:50
Curt
Right.
00:56:50
jamie peacock
Like we would 300 RPM was still taking a million and a half each side.
00:56:50
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:56:54
jamie peacock
We weren't exactly cocking on We had to slow the feed a bit, but it ran pretty, pretty well. And I mean, that took us, I think 45 minutes or so to do that part. It was going to take him like three or four hours on this manual because his manual is not super rigid.
00:56:54
Curt
Nice.
00:57:08
jamie peacock
so you would have been grooving it on the manual and it would have just been an unpleasant experience.
00:57:08
Curt
Okay, fair. Yeah.
00:57:13
Curt
Yeah, not to mention your one back, and like one turn wrong of being like, oh, no.
00:57:14
jamie peacock
but
00:57:17
jamie peacock
Yeah, exactly.
00:57:19
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:20
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:57:21
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:57:22
jamie peacock
So he is very happy with Bertha and Bertha does the things. But yeah, it was a little scary when was doing the finished pass and I was like, like okay, cool, it's clearing.
00:57:29
Curt
this oh yeah yeah very yeah yeah
00:57:30
jamie peacock
yeah But yeah, he's not using, he's not paying for fusion. So he's got the, ah everything's an M1 move. Oh, sorry, G1 move. So I was going through and just adding G0s because I was impatient as hell.
00:57:42
jamie peacock
No. Yeah. So he's learning to do that as well. But he's like, no, he's after yesterday, he's he's like, no, he will try and run apart without me. And I'm like, dude, you get stuck, you phone me.
00:57:50
Curt
yeah
00:57:52
jamie peacock
As long as you've tried, it's fine. Like, go try. If you get stuck with the tool parts, phone me. I'll tell you what to push and then you can carry on. ah
00:57:58
Curt
yeah
00:57:59
jamie peacock
Because it's it's just case of repetition and getting comfortable running the machine. And this time we didn't explode the chuck, so he was happy.
00:58:07
Curt
Well, that's that's when you make those like brain connections of when you're forced to like stop, think, and be like, oh, how do i Oh, and that feeling is like the clink, and then and you remember it.
00:58:11
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:58:15
jamie peacock
No, even out I've stood there watched him set the job up.
00:58:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:17
jamie peacock
I'm like, okay, cool set up. Okay, this is why we're doing it in this order. You're touching off the tool. You're setting the job origin. You put the second tool and now you're setting the tool origin in relation to the previous tool because that's all the tool offset is.
00:58:29
jamie peacock
It's in relation to the previous tool. So it's establishing that relationship.
00:58:31
Curt
Totally.
00:58:32
jamie peacock
So explaining all that him, they're like, okay, now you want to take extra half mil off the front. You jog it to minus half mil and set it at zero and the whole job is now shifted. Because you've shifted the job, not the tool. And explaining all that to like, yeah.
00:58:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:45
jamie peacock
Actually, speaking of that, how do you do wear comp and that kind of stuff and dialing in sizes on LinuxCNC? Are you just a like, so say you've cut told it to go 10 millimeters and you mark it and it's 10.1.
00:58:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:58
jamie peacock
How do you adjust it to 10?
00:59:02
Curt
I usually... ah I usually end up dropping my tools before I, like, I don't run a ton of wear. Like, I don't run wear comp on the lathe.
00:59:12
jamie peacock
ye I don't run weird at all either.
00:59:15
Curt
I basically just dial in the tool till until it hits. Like, I'll i'll change the tool offset until I hit exactly where I want.
00:59:18
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah, so you would then just say, okay, say it's 10 millimeter, it's meant to be 10 and it's 10.1. You would jog the tool to 10 and say, hey, tool, you're not at 10.1. Then you offset, you'd reset your tool offset.
00:59:30
Curt
Uh... Uh, yeah, yeah, i'll I'll reset my tool offset, so yeah, whatever the code says, that part comes out exact.
00:59:33
jamie peacock
Yep, effectively. Yep.
00:59:36
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:37
jamie peacock
Yes, okay. Now that's why I do it because i'm I've just got to teach Carl how to do but do it the correct way. So like in my case, ah would the code says it's cut 10 millimeters. so I mark it at 10.1. So I will then call that tool up jog to 10 millimeters and then set the tool offset at 10.1.
00:59:53
jamie peacock
So set is what it actually is and then it'll cut the correct size. its like Okay, now just make sure i'm doing it the same way because I know there is wear there's a whole bunch of other crap in there that I just don't use.
00:59:53
Curt
Yeah, yeah, that's the it, yeah.
00:59:56
Curt
Yeah.
01:00:01
Curt
Yeah, I, yeah, I've used, I use wear, I mean, from last week's question, actually, I do use wear on the, on the mill, obviously, for like pocket fits, because I want to dial it by tenths, and that's when I do use wear.
01:00:07
jamie peacock
Yes, so do I. Yeah.
01:00:13
Curt
But I'll like, I'll do all my machining, and then for one specific finishing pass, I'll call in tool wear, or tool comp, which will then, yeah, yeah, and I just use diameter, like I use the actual tool diameter, I don't use wear, or inverse wear, I just use, yeah, yeah, makes sense in my brain.
01:00:13
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:18
jamie peacock
Exactly. That's what I do as well. And then it shows a little icon to say that it's doing comp. It's really cool. Yeah. Also, yes. Yeah, so do I. Yeah, use tool diameter. I modify the tool diameter.
01:00:31
jamie peacock
So speaking of that, I made some blank palettes. Run the first one, like, oh it's undersized. Okay, cool. Comp the tool, make the tool bigger. Still undersized. The fuck? Make tool bigger. Still undersized.
01:00:41
jamie peacock
What the fuck is going on here? Yeah, went the wrong way.
01:00:43
Curt
yeah
01:00:45
jamie peacock
Took me way longer than I want to admit to figure that shit out.
01:00:45
Curt
I did that. Yeah.
01:00:48
jamie peacock
But yeah, i eventually got the thing cutting.
01:00:49
Curt
Yep.
01:00:50
jamie peacock
Like, I changed the tools. I thought, okay, maybe my tools fucked. No, I'm just an idiot. Because we're talking like 20 microns that it was the wrong size, like not even a thou.
01:00:55
Curt
Dude, I've done the same thing. Yeah.
01:00:59
jamie peacock
um
01:00:59
Curt
Yeah.
01:01:00
jamie peacock
But yeah, eventually, oh wait, fucking idiot, adjust it the other way. And then it cut perfectly and I made like 11 blank pallets.
01:01:08
Curt
if I talk to somebody and they tell me they haven't done that, you're a liar. I don't believe you.
01:01:12
jamie peacock
Dude, I had it for the wire cutter, I had it written down on the wall. It's comp bigger, big yeah, if it's in this in a hole or if it's outside, comp this way, comp that way, because kept getting confused.
01:01:17
Curt
Yeah.
01:01:24
Curt
Yeah.
01:01:24
jamie peacock
Because there you adjusting the gap between the wire and the pot.
01:01:28
Curt
yeah yeah Yeah.
01:01:28
jamie peacock
Yeah, the spark gap. ah Yeah, i and it happens to everybody. and
01:01:34
Curt
yeah
01:01:34
jamie peacock
So this week, um like I'm kind of curious about your late but we'll come back to that.
01:01:35
Curt
I think so. Yeah.
01:01:40
jamie peacock
um And we're talking about my late first, the VFD arrived.
01:01:43
Curt
you Oh cool. Yay.
01:01:45
jamie peacock
Yes.
01:01:45
Curt
Good.
01:01:46
jamie peacock
um The VFD arrived and I took the first cuts using the ah the original tool holding that came with the machine. So I put a button tool in like a Savage because that was the easiest thing to mount.
01:01:54
Curt
Okay.
01:01:57
jamie peacock
so Then I put in a CCMT or CCMT insert. Had to run it backwards just because it's how was all set up. um Yeah, the good way no one told it was taking a cut when it was doing a three millimeter per side.
01:02:12
jamie peacock
at 0.3 feet per rev in steel. It didn't notice.
01:02:14
Curt
o
01:02:16
jamie peacock
Yes. And then the best thing ever happened, i had the chip conveyor running and then I hear raining chips on the back.
01:02:16
Curt
Oh, nice.
01:02:21
jamie peacock
I'm like, it's the best.
01:02:22
Curt
Oh, cute. Yeah, that's nice.
01:02:24
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, it took its first cuts this week and then i needed a braking resistor.
01:02:25
Curt
yeah
01:02:29
jamie peacock
I needed 90 ohm.
01:02:30
Curt
Oh, I saw that. Yeah.
01:02:32
jamie peacock
Yes, I needed a 90 800 watt resistor. cannot find one. So ended up going to the China shop and because I know I've seen stove elements at the China shops, because obviously I could buy a resistor, but it was like $70 odd dollars and I was being cheap.
01:02:37
Curt
yeah
01:02:46
jamie peacock
So went to the China shop and I spent $10 and bought two stove elements that when in series make 84 ohms, which is close enough. And then I made that ugly cage so that I don't electrocute myself and yeah are channeling my inner horse by using stove elements as a breaking resistor.
01:03:02
Curt
I didn't. i was I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, oh. And as soon as you did, I'm like, why didn't I never think? Like, of course, that's just a resistive load. You can 100% use them, and they're dirt cheap.
01:03:10
jamie peacock
yeah yeah super cheap that horse literally do that like might design a nice housing for my mate plasma cutter for me but it's done it's probably never going to be touched again
01:03:12
Curt
Like, especially for these oddball... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:24
Curt
Well, and for the amount of watts, like, yeah, you're going to push a decent amount of watts for a few seconds.
01:03:28
jamie peacock
yeah
01:03:28
Curt
Like, it's the...
01:03:29
jamie peacock
Exactly. The breaking resistors on Bertha used to get hot when I was running production.
01:03:30
Curt
Yeah.
01:03:34
jamie peacock
And so did the ones on the Emco when I used to run a VFD.
01:03:34
Curt
Yeah. right
01:03:40
jamie peacock
I've got some 50 ohms. So I had have four 50 ohm, 200 watts, but it's obviously not enough wattage at that because then I'd have to parallel them. So yeah, I was calculating what ah parallel loads are.
01:03:50
Curt
Yeah.
01:03:52
jamie peacock
I went down the rabbit hole of going, okay, 10 watt resistors in series and parallel make a fucking spiral of bloody resistors because I was trying to come up with a way to do this at a reasonable cost.
01:03:59
Curt
yeah
01:04:02
Curt
but
01:04:04
jamie peacock
But by the time you buy a hundred
01:04:05
Curt
Totally.
Social Media and Personal Reflections
01:04:06
jamie peacock
resistors, you're at the price of buying two elements.
01:04:10
Curt
Well, like what's an element like a thousand watt capable, like 40 ohm, like, like to buy a thousand watt capable resistor is going to be chunky.
01:04:13
jamie peacock
i Yeah, 1,000, 1,200 watts. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:20
jamie peacock
I think the small element was 50 ohms and the big one was like 30-something ohms.
01:04:26
Curt
Right. Yeah. Like that's a smart idea.
01:04:27
jamie peacock
yeah They're two different sizes just to be just to be difficult.
01:04:28
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:30
jamie peacock
um I might still go look around, take my multimeters to the other Chinese shops and just go see if I can find two that are the same size that give me like 45 ohms and then make a nice box for it. But don't know.
01:04:41
jamie peacock
It's one of those things, nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
01:04:44
Curt
ye Yeah, no, exactly.
01:04:45
jamie peacock
ah yeah i can now I can now cook things on the good way.
01:04:50
Curt
I say i want I want to do that, what you did, and pipe out some the big chunky wires to my desk with some elements that I can set my coffee on. So like as long as I'm running the lathe hard enough, my coffee stays warm. It's just like impetus to work.
01:04:59
jamie peacock
There we go.
01:05:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, no. Yeah, and then the I don't know if it was the good way the disgusting coolant in the good way. I think it was a little bit before that. But anyway, I got hand aids my frickin fingers here.
01:05:01
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:15
jamie peacock
The coolant is reacting with my hands. And I'm getting like, I don't know, like frickin hand aids.
01:05:18
Curt
Oh.
01:05:21
jamie peacock
So I'm having to wear bitchwittons when I'm running the mill because the coolant literally burns my fingers.
01:05:22
Curt
Oh.
01:05:27
Curt
Oh, that's not good.
01:05:28
jamie peacock
Even fresh cooling. Fresh cooling is actually even a bit worse. um Like literally, I don't know. I think it's, I was picking up parts out of Bertha's chip bin and I got a couple of cuts on my fingers and I think it started from that.
01:05:37
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:41
jamie peacock
Like it just, it started getting nasty, but yeah, my whole like inside of my finger here, here and here is all just unpleasant.
01:05:41
Curt
Hmm.
01:05:49
jamie peacock
Like yeah, having to put a hand cream and bitch mittens now. So I'm running with those orange gloves, those nice thick orange gloves when I'm in the workshop now.
01:05:49
Curt
Oh,
01:05:53
Curt
that's not a hope.
01:05:58
jamie peacock
which means I can't unlock my stupid ass phone, which is beyond infuriating because if you press sideways, it goes to some background bullshit where it tries to sell you backgrounds and I can't disable that.
01:05:58
Curt
Ah, you're going
01:06:11
jamie peacock
It's a little bit, just a little bit annoying. Like make the UI worse. Let's take the Microsoft approach and fuck shit up. ah Even Instagram changed their UI this week.
01:06:22
jamie peacock
It's horrible.
01:06:24
jamie peacock
it's like sorry, why is messaging in the middle at the bottom?
01:06:25
Curt
yeah
01:06:27
jamie peacock
Is this a messaging app? I thought it was a picture sharing app. ah
01:06:31
Curt
no it's for sharing ai video slop yeah yeah yeah
01:06:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:06:35
jamie peacock
Exactly. It's it's for sharing racist AR video slot. don't know you saw the um one of the US Senate or fucking out politician people's like on Instagram one in three of my things as a racist video i'm like rookie numbers.
01:06:51
jamie peacock
rookie numbers uh no dude like the amount of that comes across on instagram is just yeah that doom scrolling is a problem but also like the instagram community i think is dying a bit because people are realizing they're just doom scrolling so they're uninstalling the app and yeah it's a bit of a bit of an issue but it's fine it'll be fine so what happened your lathe
01:06:58
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:04
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, exactly.
01:07:11
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Yeah, man. ah Nothing really happened in my lathe, but I've always had, like, when I do OD turning, the finish is always really good out at the tailstock end.
01:07:24
Curt
And as I get closer to the headstock, it's just not as nice. um It's still really good, but, ah like, if I could get the finish that I get at the tailstock end at the headstock end, I'd be very happy. Because it's, like, it's it's almost perfect.
01:07:39
Curt
Like, it's almost the where I could just take it off be, like, and sell it. Like, I'm very happy with it for what that lathe cost me.
01:07:43
jamie peacock
Yeah. Joel.
01:07:45
Curt
Anyways, I started thinking about it, and I think it's because I'm using, obviously, auto-feed. And I think if there's any undulation in the in the auto-feed screw... it would it's going to translate into the carriage.
01:07:57
Curt
As I'm farther away from that fixed point of that screw, the screw can obviously wiggle more. So the further away from the headstock I am, where there's less support, it's going to influence the carriage less.
01:08:04
jamie peacock
yeah
01:08:08
Curt
So I should get a better cut. And as I get closer to the headstock, where that screw has more force to basically vibrate the carriage, and it's a uniform pattern that I see. um i don't
01:08:17
jamie peacock
is Okay, ifs so is it not the other way around? Is it not that the screw is whipping on the back end? Because when you further, it your carriage is closer to the middle of the screw. So when you get close to the tellsock to the headstock, there's more floppy doodle on the
01:08:28
Curt
Right? Yeah,
01:08:35
Curt
yeah. I mean, i means to it's a beefy screw. it's ah
01:08:38
jamie peacock
and the other end.
01:08:38
Curt
And it's...
01:08:39
jamie peacock
the other thing it could be is your screw is not straight.
01:08:44
Curt
Oh, very unlikely. Yeah, very likely.
01:08:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:08:46
Curt
Yeah, yeah
01:08:46
jamie peacock
So as you're getting closer, it's getting tighter and tighter.
01:08:47
Curt
Yeah.
01:08:49
jamie peacock
And when you arch it, the screw's got more space flex.
01:08:50
Curt
Yeah.
01:08:52
Curt
Very likely. um And actually, I ended up, I forgot how I came across this. I came across this in a Reddit search and someone referenced a cloud 42 video and he has almost the identical problem also on a, you know, benchtop.
01:09:07
Curt
I mean, mine's little bit bigger in a benchtop, but same Delio.
01:09:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:09:09
Curt
um And I looked at it and he basically found out that his, his cross slide was, um, it just wasn't machined well. It was machined well, and they're bigger and heavier enough that that wasn't influencing, but as he got closer to the headstock, he noticed a lot more movement.
01:09:25
Curt
So i was like, I'm going to, he basically, you could just feel or gauge it and make sure that your dovetails are where they should be. um But I think that might actually be part of the problem.
01:09:30
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:09:31
Curt
And it's minute, like it's incredibly small. Like we're probably talking less than a thou, but you can see it in a nice finish. um
01:09:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, I have a I have a bad solution for you.
01:09:39
Curt
um Only not like I can only see it on a finishing pass, like a low, if it's, What's your bad solution?
01:09:46
jamie peacock
Take the lead screw out and put a ball screw in and feed it from the back end and let the front end float and electronic lead screw.
01:09:49
Curt
Dude, don't. Don't. Don't.
01:09:52
jamie peacock
come good Let's do it.
01:09:54
Curt
Don't push me. Like, I've already thought about that. I'm like, if I have to fix it, like, if that's if that's the fix for it, that's exactly where I'm going with it is. Yeah, 100%. The only problem it.
01:10:03
jamie peacock
Dude, ah because the thing is, so what what you could do there is you could put ah one of these.
01:10:05
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:10
jamie peacock
don't like describing it. i have pictures today. One of these dinguses.
01:10:14
Curt
Oh.
01:10:16
jamie peacock
that your motor and your ball screw couple to sticking out, not the headstock side, the tailstock side of your machine, and have your ball screw just stick out and float.
01:10:19
Curt
Right.
01:10:23
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:25
jamie peacock
That way, obviously, you won't have it aligned, but then it can pick up any of the slop that there is and put the motor sticking out the tailstock side of your machine.
01:10:29
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:32
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:35
jamie peacock
And then an electronic lead screw comes to the dog side, Kurt. know a guy.
01:10:35
Curt
It's not a bad idea, and
01:10:38
Curt
Don't push me. I've already thought about it.
01:10:40
jamie peacock
ah know guy.
01:10:40
Curt
I've already thought I can sink the servo right into the casting so it wouldn't even stick out. I could timing belt it right to the screw. Yeah, it would not be difficult.
01:10:48
jamie peacock
um yes come come to the dark side then it can kick itself out yes
01:10:49
Curt
so Yeah. And then, of course, I'm going to put a ball screw on the other axes because I'm doing one, as well do the other one. Yeah, and then i' my then I have a CNC wave again.
01:11:00
Curt
Yeah, no. I'm going to try to see if the carriage is wiggly first.
01:11:02
jamie peacock
it yeah i would say it might be worthwhile just cracking your um
01:11:05
Curt
That's much less effort.
01:11:13
jamie peacock
your, where the where the lead screw mounts on the headstock side, just loosen the bolt there and just let try to find its center and then you'll be good there.
01:11:18
Curt
Yeah, I thought of that. Yeah.
01:11:22
Curt
Yeah.
01:11:27
jamie peacock
Also, Kurt, have a look at that quickly.
01:11:31
Curt
Don't. Don't send me. On the podcast. Google it. Google it.
01:11:37
jamie peacock
Just to mess with the link.
01:11:39
Curt
and Nice. Yeah. So that's a full threading kit on AliExpress for like
01:11:45
jamie peacock
Aliexpress, it's in the links.
01:11:47
Curt
That's crazy. That's crazy how cheap some of this stuff is. Like, yeah, mind you, it's only a stepper and a encoder.
01:11:50
jamie peacock
Yep.
01:11:54
jamie peacock
A stepper and an encoder with a little bit of dedicated hardware, like...
01:11:54
Curt
and
01:11:57
Curt
But still, it's like 200 bucks Canadian shipped to my door.
01:11:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:12:00
jamie peacock
Obviously, you want a bigger stepper than that, or you want servo.
01:12:00
Curt
Another 300 bucks all done.
01:12:03
Curt
ah Yeah, I'll put a servo on it. But still, but still, it's just incredible what's available nowadays.
01:12:08
jamie peacock
Yeah, but you're looking at your lathe in the background, I'd say just loosen that block on the end with your carriage all the way forward and tighten it.
01:12:13
Curt
Yeah.
01:12:14
jamie peacock
Just see if that makes the problem go away. Because if that's sitting a little bit high or a little bit low, it'll influence the stiffness of your carriage. So it'll either be lifting your carriage up or pulling it down and making it a bit harder to feed.
01:12:24
Curt
Absolutely.
01:12:28
Curt
I know what I'm doing later.
01:12:29
jamie peacock
And that's, yeah, that's not hard to quickly see if that fixes it.
01:12:29
Curt
Yeah.
01:12:33
jamie peacock
because I'm assuming the top one is the screw and the bottom one is the keyed shaft for the feed drive.
01:12:34
Curt
That's it's literally two.
01:12:35
Curt
Yeah. ah Yeah.
01:12:40
jamie peacock
Or what is yours?
01:12:41
Curt
Yeah. Well, yeah.
01:12:42
jamie peacock
your yeah Yeah, you have three there.
01:12:44
Curt
Yeah, it's three, but yeah.
01:12:46
jamie peacock
The bottom one is your on-off.
01:12:49
Curt
Bottom is on off.
01:12:50
jamie peacock
Then it's got a keyed shaft, which would drive a gear which drives your feed.
01:12:50
Curt
and
01:12:54
jamie peacock
And then the top one is the lead screw, which drives your threading.
01:12:58
Curt
yeah Yeah, that I never use, but yeah.
01:12:59
jamie peacock
So yeah, but that could be influencing if any of those are offset off center heart that would influence it.
01:13:01
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:06
Curt
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, run it right to the headstock and loosen them all and tighten them all back up.
01:13:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, just let it try find it find its center and see if that fixes it.
01:13:10
Curt
That's smart idea.
01:13:14
jamie peacock
Maybe it's an easy fix.
01:13:15
Curt
Yeah. That might even be, because that's way easier than taking the carriage part and trying to lap it to get it to fit.
01:13:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:13:19
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
01:13:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:13:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:13:21
Curt
That's true.
01:13:21
Curt
See, this is why we have this conversation. Shit like this is brings 100% value. Not that I don't mind.
01:13:27
jamie peacock
yeah
01:13:27
Curt
Like, I do, like, just, yeah, sometimes, yeah.
01:13:29
jamie peacock
No, that's the thing.
01:13:29
Curt
I appreciate it.
01:13:30
jamie peacock
It it lets you bounce ideas off other people and get told you told easier solutions sometimes. Like, that's why I listen to our podcast.
01:13:36
Curt
Absolutely. yeah
01:13:37
jamie peacock
Because also, like, chatting like this sometimes it won't go into the melon. And then when i listen to it, it's like oh, shit, that's what he said.
01:13:42
Curt
Yep.
01:13:44
jamie peacock
And then, yeah, that's why listen our own podcast.
01:13:45
Curt
Oh, many times i go on a walk and I listen to our narcissistic talk of me listening to me. And then I'm like, that's what Jamie, sorry for hitting my desk people.
01:13:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:13:54
Curt
I know it's annoying on the microphone. And I'm like, that's what Jamie meant. And then this is like, yeah, I didn't get that when you told it to me, but when i re-listened to it, I'm like, oh, I was completely, yeah.
01:13:57
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:14:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, but I mean, that is that is partially the point of the podcast is to bounce ideas and ah weekly check in and whatnot. so Because we both spend a lot of time ourselves in our workshops.
01:14:12
Curt
Totally.
01:14:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, unfortunately, i' still have to see customers.
01:14:14
Curt
So everybody listening to our podcast, listen to it twice to give us more views.
01:14:17
jamie peacock
Yes, that that's exactly it.
01:14:17
Curt
And it'll it'll benefit your life.
01:14:19
jamie peacock
So
01:14:19
Curt
I guarantee it. It'll 100% guarantee it'll be better.
01:14:26
Curt
Anyway.
01:14:27
jamie peacock
what have you been googling this week, Kurt?
01:14:31
Curt
Oh, the Google box. So I googled the Konami code because i i i was pretty sure I remembered.
01:14:32
jamie peacock
the Google box.
01:14:39
Curt
It's been a long time since I punched it in. Um, cause there was a little, ah like a video game controller in like the little baby aisle at toy store. And it was like modeled after the Nintendo controller.
01:14:48
jamie peacock
ah
01:14:50
Curt
And I'm like, And I know some of them, they they do put in the... Like if you enter the Konami code, it'll make a funny sound. So i I entered it a bunch. and I didn't hear it do anything different. So I was like, okay, well, maybe it's not that cool.
01:15:02
Curt
Anyway, and then a bunch of AI stuff. And then I was using Whisper to do some audio transcoding, which apparently that's the same program Zencaster uses. And someone set me hip to Parakeet by NVIDIA, which is just like miles faster.
01:15:12
jamie peacock
Oh,
01:15:17
Curt
So pissed around with that.
01:15:18
jamie peacock
OK.
01:15:18
Curt
And then...
01:15:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, sorry. Speaking of that, if you want the transcripts, just ask Danica, and she'll send them to you.
01:15:23
Curt
I appreciate it. Yeah, I didn't realize that Zencaster had it. I didn't want to bug you either. And then i I don't think it's going to um think it's goingnna work for my purposes anyway.
01:15:27
jamie peacock
Oh.
01:15:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:15:29
Curt
So ah it's probably moot.
01:15:32
Curt
And then a stupid dangerous thing I should never ever Google is best VR headsets. Because now that I have a PC that can run basically anything, i was like, well, now want to buy like a VR.
01:15:44
jamie peacock
Dude, I played on a Quest 2. My mates had a Quest 2 and I wanted one after that.
01:15:44
Curt
So bad idea.
01:15:48
Curt
Okay.
01:15:49
jamie peacock
Just to play Beat Saber.
01:15:50
Curt
Dude. Yeah, of sure, Beat Saber. That's exactly why you want it.
01:15:52
jamie peacock
Beat Saber? Dude, Beat Saber with wrist weights. There's a workout. Fucking one time.
01:15:58
Curt
yeah no doubt.
01:15:58
jamie peacock
have fun while I live.
01:15:58
Curt
Beat Saber is a sick game.
01:15:59
jamie peacock
That was what I wanted it for, but yeah.
01:16:00
Curt
Yeah.
01:16:01
jamie peacock
I don't want to walk into shit. Like, oh, dude, I was shocked how good it was. Like, didn't get motion sick at all.
01:16:06
Curt
Yeah.
01:16:07
jamie peacock
It did mapping pretty frickin' well. We were on a balcony in the middle of the mountains in a cabin, and it was tracking, like, everything well in the dark. Like, i was um I was amazed by it.
01:16:18
jamie peacock
And that wasn't tethered to a PC.
01:16:18
Curt
It's... yeah
01:16:19
jamie peacock
That was all on board.
01:16:21
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:22
Curt
i yeah it's
01:16:23
jamie peacock
Like, it's insane.
01:16:24
Curt
It's incredible what they can do.
01:16:25
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:25
Curt
yeah
01:16:26
jamie peacock
you know Yeah, really, really crazy. But yeah, I've been ah i've been googling speed test because we've had some network issues, which I'm now figuring out on our home network.
01:16:30
Curt
ah What's in?
01:16:37
jamie peacock
um
01:16:37
Curt
Hmm.
01:16:38
jamie peacock
Being look up homes law to calculate parallel and series resistance, looking at dars and sealers and stuff on casual because there's a local localish guy who wants to build an O set up and wants me to sell him some of my stuff because he doesn't want to import from the US.
01:16:52
jamie peacock
And then looking at roto tanks tanks, um which is a brand that makes water storage tanks because want to put 180 liter water storage tank in the garage for RO water and then a 240 liter outside for dumping the wastewater from the RO.
01:17:10
jamie peacock
Instead of down the drain, I can dump it into a tank and the crazy lady can use it to water the garden. So at least then, yeah, the mother-in-law.
01:17:16
Curt
Yeah.
01:17:18
jamie peacock
um And then also, like, in worst case scenario, I've got 180 liters of water that I can drink if i need to because the neighborhood, they've turned the water pressure up lately.
01:17:30
jamie peacock
So all the pipes are now fucking out. So they can pay their friends to fix it. And then it'll be good for another two or three years. And then they'll turn the pressure up again. Like, you you can literally watch it. If you drive neighborhood neighborhood, you'll see that all the roads are dug up now.
01:17:41
Curt
Oh,
01:17:42
jamie peacock
And then in three or four months time, the next neighborhood, all the roads are dug up, they turn the water pressure up to break all the pipes so their friends can fix them. Like you'll see in a neighborhood, you'll just see all the pipe, all the joints start breaking.
01:17:50
Curt
boy.
01:17:53
jamie peacock
And they'll dig up the roads and fix them. And then the next neighborhood and then the next neighborhood and they just roll through on like a three yearly cycle through all the neighborhoods so that their friends can make a buck. Africa, it's the best.
01:18:06
Curt
buts
01:18:06
jamie peacock
Yeah. So where can people find you and your stuff, Kurt?
01:18:09
Curt
um
01:18:12
Curt
uh confounded machine.com and uh yeah all the all the wares are there all the data all the media stuff is there and there's a link to the podcast and the merch store where you can buy that kind of stuff too what'd you what'd you do oh
01:18:24
jamie peacock
Nice. ah Yeah. and i sorry I can hear a beep. My electricity meter is beeping at me because there's less than 10 units left because we are page.
01:18:30
Curt
oh tick tock
01:18:32
jamie peacock
Yeah. um Yeah, now i got a few hours until it's going to run out. um Yeah, you can find us at jspeceng.com for the website where you can find the Anchor Point, the Fluck, and the merch store.
01:18:45
jamie peacock
TheLoneMachinists.com is the podcast's website where you can find some bonus content, to the companion guide, and a link to the merch store where there's a bunch of shirts and things. And you can find me at jspec underscore engineering on Instagram where I generally post the day-to-day shenanigans that are happening in my workshop.
01:19:05
jamie peacock
Yeah. what are you What are you up to tomorrow, Kurt? It's Sunday, so I assume you're going to just have a nap.
01:19:05
Curt
Nice, nice, nice.
01:19:11
Curt
Yeah, but probably going to just chill out. I'll do ton. Take the little people out, hang out with them, then back to the grind on Monday.
01:19:15
jamie peacock
Nice.
01:19:19
Curt
And we're recording early, so then Monday is a regular day for me, which is, yeah, that'll be different.
01:19:21
jamie peacock
Yes. Yes, because my wife is inconvenient.
01:19:26
Curt
There's no issue in this latest.
01:19:27
jamie peacock
She's making me go join a mountaineering club on Monday night. That's why we're recording her.
01:19:31
Curt
Ooh.
01:19:33
jamie peacock
Yay.
01:19:33
Curt
Kilimanjaro.
01:19:33
jamie peacock
Yay. We get a discount if we register as a married couple. So we're registering as a married couple.
01:19:38
Curt
Oh.
01:19:39
jamie peacock
Yeah. Fun times.
01:19:40
Curt
but do you have to What are you up to today?
01:19:42
jamie peacock
Today i am going to go and...
01:19:44
Curt
On the Lord's Day.
01:19:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, sure. I'm going to go for the wakeover. a good way. And I think Cole's coming past to machine some stuff.
01:19:50
Curt
yeah
01:19:53
jamie peacock
something else I needed to do. All he's sort of a quote for some anchor points. And yeah, in a faff around and just, I might start running those brass pieces. I need you the quote for that. But I don't know what the material costs.
01:20:04
jamie peacock
But I know that the previous quote was correct, including material, but I think I have material on hand. So I'm going to go scrounge around and see what material I have. And if I need to buy material to make 2000 little plates,
01:20:16
jamie peacock
that's going to be like a whole day and a half. So at the production, it's going to be great. Yeah, I want to get those quotes done because then those guys pay and I can get cracking on that job and squeeze it in now before my aluminium arrives on Wednesday.
01:20:28
jamie peacock
Because I think I'm only going to get it by Wednesday. So I want to try and knock all this stuff out quickly early in the week. And then I need to figure out I might just try to make a sample Dutchman squeeze box button.
01:20:40
jamie peacock
so that I can figure out the drilling but yeah i don't know we'll see how the day unfolds kind of in a bit of a chilled mood today i don't really feel like working but we'll go work anyway if I can who gets days off that'd be ridiculous so yeah I quit my 9 to 5 to get a 24 7 yeah now you've got a pretty good work-life balance I'm kind of jealous
01:20:53
Curt
yeah exactly.
01:20:58
Curt
Yup, exactly.
01:21:04
Curt
Yeah, it's forced, but it's, I'm not complaining.
01:21:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, it needs that.
01:21:07
Curt
It's nice.
01:21:08
jamie peacock
That's my goal for next year is Danica is working from February.
01:21:08
Curt
Yeah.
01:21:11
jamie peacock
So she'll be out all day when she gets home. and I'm going to need to stop working and spend time with her. So I'm going to try and get my work life balance a little bit better next year.
01:21:17
Curt
It's a good idea.
01:21:20
jamie peacock
She's working five days a week in mid-rand, which is like an hour and a half drive in the morning. um
01:21:27
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:27
jamie peacock
And then yeah when she gets back, she's going to want to spend time with me. And I would like to actually get some semblance of a work life balance.
01:21:35
Curt
It's good because one day you'll wake up and you'll be old and you'll die.
01:21:35
jamie peacock
Although
01:21:37
jamie peacock
Exactly. Although having a job in each hand is balanced.
01:21:42
Curt
Yeah, that is balanced. Yeah. Oh,
01:21:45
jamie peacock
It's balanced. Yeah, because next year is going to be a bit silly because Danica's got a full time job and then also doing stuff on the side and editing our podcast and whatnot.
01:21:47
Curt
yeah
01:21:53
jamie peacock
So we may actually need to release a day later than we're currently releasing. So record on our normal time, but release a day later so that she has time to get it all edited in the evening.
01:22:01
Curt
oh
01:22:03
jamie peacock
I know. Horrid.
01:22:04
jamie peacock
It means we have to listen to it on a Wednesday.
01:22:04
Curt
so
01:22:05
Curt
Yeah.
01:22:06
jamie peacock
That's just weird.
01:22:09
Curt
Yeah, no no sweat.
01:22:09
jamie peacock
But anyway, thank you everybody for listening. And patrons, we'll see you in the after show where we don't know what we're talking about. It'll be great fun.
01:22:18
Curt
But it'll be cool.
01:22:19
jamie peacock
I'm sure it'll be cool.
01:22:19
Curt
Take care.
01:22:20
jamie peacock
It's always cool. It's Kurtz and I. It's always cool.
01:22:22
Curt
Absolutely. Take care all.
01:22:23
jamie peacock
Yeah. Sweet.
01:22:25
Curt
take care all