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Ep. 44: Oil Beats Coolant, Fight Me
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Join Curt and Jamie as they discuss their week, including topics such as Retrofitting Spinderella, Phase Converters, and Fancier tool options..
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Transcript
Weekly Plans and Workshop Operations
00:00:11
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loan Machinist Podcast, where it's just you, your tools, and the work. What have you got going on this week, Kurt?
00:00:19
Curt
This week, I'm going to talk about how neat oil is better than coolant, um exploring some fancy tools, and why running my style slower is better. ah How about you? What are we going to talk about in your world?
00:00:29
jamie peacock
um um Birth is moving on Thursday. Spinderella is moving tomorrow. And I need a thicker vacuum chuck. But yeah, let's yeah let's get in into it.
00:00:39
Curt
Don't we all?
00:00:41
jamie peacock
So how are you doing this fine day, Kurt?
00:00:44
Curt
I'm doing nice. I'm doing nice. It's raining, cold, borderline snow, and, don't know, inside, it's nice. So, how about you? How is sunny South Africa? I guess you're rolling into spring now.
00:00:54
jamie peacock
It is stupid hot at the moment. like stupid hot and my little tent doesn't help the situation um and the wind the wind is pumping so like i couldn't even open the back door of the workshop to let it breeze through it i had that piece of paper with all my work offsets on it it blew that off the machine today it was magneted on and it just four magnets in the corners yeeted it straight off so yeah the wind is uh windy as hell at the moment
00:01:01
Curt
Oh, I guess.
00:01:21
Curt
I'm surprised I didn't pick up your little hotbox you made and just like Mary Poppins it away.
00:01:27
jamie peacock
Dude, I'm shocked that that thing is still, like, there. I mean, technically, I drove in sparks, like, they're aggly through the pavers. um
00:01:36
Curt
ah
00:01:36
jamie peacock
So it's going to take some force to get them out. But, yeah, I'm surprised
Humor and Personal Stories
00:01:40
jamie peacock
it's still there. I really am.
00:01:43
jamie peacock
But, yeah, the hotbox is, yeah, lots of fun.
00:01:43
Curt
oh i so i wish i I wish I lived closer so I could hang a little sign on it in the night. Like... Jamie's Machine Emporium or something like heinous.
00:01:53
jamie peacock
Dude, don't even joke. My mate, they had a little like, but we call them a lop, like a little thatched fucking thing in his yard. So he ended up breaking it closed because it had like
00:02:03
Curt
Okay.
00:02:06
jamie peacock
really badly built glass windows. So bricked it closed so that he could use it as his workshop. So I was there a few days before. he was buttoning everything up. He was asking about electrical stuff. So i was giving him some advice.
00:02:17
jamie peacock
And then I went down a few days later. Before I left, I got Danica to make a sign. Dave's sex dungeon. Got there. I'm like, go on, I'll have a cup of coffee. Brie goes to make me coffee. I go into this thing on the DB panel cover.
00:02:28
jamie peacock
Dave's sex dungeon. He comes back and I'm just standing there smiling. He's like, what did you do? And then eventually he noticed his girlfriend thought it was hilarious.
00:02:37
Curt
That's awesome.
00:02:38
jamie peacock
Yeah, know. I like adding names to things.
Machine Logistics and Preparations
00:02:42
jamie peacock
Speaking of names to things, we're waiting on Jacob for the logo for Spinderella.
00:02:43
Curt
So Bertha... Oh, shoot, yeah.
00:02:47
jamie peacock
Because, oh, thank you, Patreons, for voting. Spinderella won, courtesy of Jacob.
00:02:52
Curt
That's a good one. That's a good one.
00:02:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I'm waiting for him to send me the artwork so I can do the the buttons. I'm going to engrave Spinderella on there then that is the name of the machine. Like...
00:03:01
Curt
Oh, cool.
00:03:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, so waiting on that idea.
00:03:05
jamie peacock
So you're asking about Bertha.
00:03:05
Curt
So, birth...
00:03:07
Curt
Yeah, she moves on Thursday?
00:03:09
jamie peacock
Yes, rigors are booked.
00:03:09
Curt
i guess at the end of the month. Man, time flies.
00:03:11
jamie peacock
Rigors are booked.
00:03:11
Curt
Okay.
00:03:12
jamie peacock
Dude, don't, yeah.
00:03:12
Curt
Yeah.
00:03:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, I got my VAT bill today. I want to go cry on a corner. um I thought it would be lower than it was because the trailing three months have been the slowest we've been in a while.
00:03:25
jamie peacock
But that also means that we don't buy lots of stuff that we can offset the VAT.
00:03:26
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:03:29
jamie peacock
So yeah, a little annoyed.
00:03:30
Curt
yeah fair
00:03:31
jamie peacock
um
00:03:31
Curt
fair
00:03:32
jamie peacock
Anyway, Bertha, ri trying to get a quote from Riggers, took us like a week and a half. Some guys coming back with... I mean, we are... They're coming with forklift because we want them to use a forklift.
00:03:45
jamie peacock
They're going to... I'm going to have the Emco and... slow wheel on wheels ready to go they're going to come in we're gonna that morning we'll wheel the M car of the way they're going lift the machine put it on skate skate it to the door fork it put it on the truck we're going to wheel the slow wheel out while they do that they're going to fork Spinderella put Spinderella in and then just push it back with pallet jack So it's not like it's a shitload of work.
00:04:11
Curt
OK. Oh, that's
00:04:12
jamie peacock
And then they've got to drive it all of seven kilometers down the road and install it there.
00:04:17
Curt
OK. Yeah.
00:04:17
jamie peacock
So it's not like it's far. We got quotes ranging from like $1,000 down to about $300. three hundred But yeah at that point, we don't trust the operations. Eventually, we got a quote that we're happy with.
00:04:30
jamie peacock
It comes at about $500 for six hours of labor with a three and a ton forklift. So it shouldn't, like the guys seem competent. So I'm fairly, fairly happy to let them do their thing.
00:04:42
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's happening on Thursday, which means I finished a job now about 20 minutes ago on the EMCO. The EMCO is now ready to be pumped out and decommissioned tomorrow, like ahead of schedule.
00:04:52
Curt
Oh, wow.
00:04:54
jamie peacock
Because then I'm like, all but the LK is going to be out of order for a few days.
00:05:00
Curt
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:00
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:01
jamie peacock
I mean, even the LK, I've got a job on there tomorrow because I made um some scrap.
00:05:02
Curt
Exciting.
00:05:07
jamie peacock
I'm going to rerun the job tomorrow. That's three hours of machining. And then that machine is pretty much going to go off and get turned back on probably on Thursday or Friday.
00:05:16
Curt
Nice.
00:05:16
jamie peacock
because there's quite a lot of cleaning to do. So calls coming past on Thursday to help me on on Thursday on Wednesday, to help me prep machines clean, get everything just organized, where just need a little bit of extra brute force power to move things.
00:05:31
jamie peacock
um So we'll get that all prepped. And then yeah Thursday days is going to be exciting. And then Friday, another late lands in my driveway.
00:05:39
Curt
And children probably knocking at your door. i don't know if you have children in your neighborhood that trick or treat.
00:05:44
jamie peacock
ah Oh, no, not the trick-or-treat. martin
00:05:46
Curt
No.
Halloween Traditions and Priorities
00:05:47
jamie peacock
mom No, my nephews, they're in a boomed-off neighborhood, and they'll they go trick-or-treating because they the neighborhood is very family-oriented.
00:05:52
Curt
I
00:05:56
jamie peacock
Trick-or-treat is not a huge thing here, but like in those yeah those kind of neighborhoods, even when I was when i was growing up.
00:05:58
Curt
i was wondering, yeah, if that's.
00:06:02
jamie peacock
um Pennington was an interesting situation. When I was growing up, there were a lot of children. Like, a lot of people moved in the late 80s, early 90s, popped out a couple kids, were raising their kids in a nice little town.
00:06:16
jamie peacock
Then all the kids left and the parents all became swingers. um Like, no not even kidding.
00:06:20
Curt
Right on.
00:06:21
jamie peacock
The one pub you go and you can throw your keys in a bowl. Like, straight up.
00:06:24
Curt
Oh.
00:06:24
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, the parents got bored. All the kids left. um But growing up, there were there was a or there were a lot of children similar age to us.
00:06:28
Curt
I guess.
00:06:32
jamie peacock
So a couple years, we did trick-or-treating around the neighborhood.
00:06:36
Curt
Hmm.
00:06:36
jamie peacock
But it's not it's not a huge thing, yeah. So, yeah, that we don't... I know my nephews will go because of where they live. They're in, ah like, a closed-door neighborhood. Whereas where we are...
00:06:45
Curt
Hmm. Cool.
00:06:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, someone comes, I'll shoot them.
00:06:49
Curt
Fair, fair, fair.
00:06:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, what are you coming in begging for?
00:06:51
Curt
Note to self. Yeah. ah Don't trick or treat at Jamie's house.
00:06:52
jamie peacock
Go away. Yeah. No, like, we don't even bother buying candy and stuff because we know we're not going to see any any kids.
00:07:00
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:07:01
jamie peacock
um I might just throw some stuff at my neighbor's kid. my as kid
00:07:05
Curt
No fair. That's nice. Yeah.
00:07:06
jamie peacock
I went to help me rewire his DB board the other day to add a smart switch, and it was Diwali.
00:07:07
Curt
Cool. Mm
00:07:14
jamie peacock
think last week we were going record it. was Diwali. So this was like the day after or sometime after I went there, and his seven-year-old's like, no, no, here, gives me a pack of those little things you throw in their park.
00:07:16
Curt
hmm.
00:07:24
jamie peacock
So I spent the next, I think I went through like five bags of them. I just kept throwing them at the kid, getting him to explode on him. But he was having so much fun. I was throwing things at each other. um But yeah, it's like those are the only kids I really interact with in the neighborhood.
00:07:24
Curt
I love those.
00:07:38
jamie peacock
Like most of the people yeah keep to themselves.
00:07:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:07:40
jamie peacock
It's quite nice.
00:07:40
Curt
Yeah. That's good.
00:07:42
jamie peacock
But yeah, I assume you're going to have people beating your door down for sweets.
00:07:42
Curt
That's nice too. Yeah.
00:07:48
Curt
Yeah, I mean, we have, we have something like a, there's a kind of a boom of little kids in this neighborhood again. So for sure. um But like, there's a neighborhood a few miles kind of south of mine that's really popular. Like it's kind of a little fancy-pancy.
00:08:01
Curt
um But everyone goes there to trick-or-treat.
00:08:01
jamie peacock
Ah, yes.
00:08:02
Curt
And the people will have like 2,000 kids, 3,000 kids per household.
00:08:06
jamie peacock
Jeez.
00:08:07
Curt
So it's in it's just like, it's it's beautiful.
00:08:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's insane.
00:08:09
Curt
Like they decorate it really nice, but it's just like, that's savage.
00:08:10
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:08:12
Curt
Like people are like,
00:08:13
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:08:14
Curt
spending you know a ton of cash just to feed children so hey it's cool i'm glad i'm glad that exists but yeah it's yeah i drive the through there sometimes just because it's it's a trip seeing how much people decorate and then it's kind of like a neighborhood thing they all feed on each other it's it's cool yeah so
00:08:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, just, yeah. Just to give kids diabetes. Yeah.
00:08:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:08:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, we've got a couple of places like that that do it with the Christmas decorations around here. A couple houses that go just overboard.
00:08:34
Curt
yeah mm-hmm
00:08:35
jamie peacock
But there you are. I was discussing that with my one customer today, one of my mates. He sent me some tool steel work and I phoned him. like, hey, we've got a problem. Your slots, I can't slot them deep enough.
00:08:46
jamie peacock
The T-slot cutter I have will only go in five mils and you need a 5.5. Well, you go in two and a half miles and you need 2.6. He's like, I don't stress about it. And he was saying one of his friends whose lathe operates at a company came to visit and pitched up in a car.
00:09:01
jamie peacock
He's like, dude, you could have, you you're literally driving a car that costs more than your house. Like, what is wrong with you?
00:09:06
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:09:07
jamie peacock
And i was like, no, people get driveway ornaments. It's insane. Like they'll stretch themselves to the nth degree to get, just to be better than their neighbor.
00:09:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:09:16
Curt
Totally. Yeah.
00:09:17
jamie peacock
And I'm like, nah, could not be bothered.
00:09:17
Curt
and
00:09:20
Curt
Yeah, i I'm with you. I like, yeah, don't
00:09:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:09:24
Curt
There's certain things I want, but a fancy car is not one of them.
00:09:24
jamie peacock
ah No, my car's paid off. and Like, will just keep driving. Even the new Land Rover we're getting, that's 2010 2009.
00:09:35
jamie peacock
It's my brother-in-law's old one. We're getting it for a steal. It's still a nice car. It still drives well. That's fine. That's all I need. i need a functional vehicle. I don't need the latest car to try and impress my neighbors.
00:09:44
Curt
Yep.
00:09:46
jamie peacock
100%.
00:09:48
Curt
That's my driveway ornament. That that thing costs as much of ah as ah as a decent sports car.
00:09:49
jamie peacock
hundred cent
00:09:51
Curt
so And it makes parts.
00:09:52
jamie peacock
yeah Likewise. That one's the same.
00:09:54
Curt
It's way better. 100%.
00:09:55
jamie peacock
yeah not Yeah. i'd rather have I'd rather have another machine than a car.
00:10:01
Curt
hundred percent Yep, absolutely.
00:10:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:03
Curt
I'd rather have all machines and no car, but that doesn't work out.
00:10:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, no. Unfortunately, you do need an automobile.
00:10:09
Curt
Yeah, it helps. It helps.
00:10:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I don't know which topic I want to ask you about now.
Optimizing Machine Efficiency
00:10:15
Curt
yeah pick Yeah, pick.
00:10:15
jamie peacock
um
00:10:16
Curt
Pick whatever you like.
00:10:16
jamie peacock
Yeah. Life's great when machines behave themselves because i'm kind of curious.
00:10:21
Curt
It is so nice. Like, the style and the fourth just all running together. So nice. Like, for the longest time, I've been running the ISO grip pens on the little Kurt, and it works totally fine.
00:10:32
jamie peacock
yep
00:10:32
Curt
Like,
00:10:33
Curt
It's just a tool change, a tool change, a tool change, a tool change. And you don't realize how much that wears away at your soul until you don't have to do it.
00:10:40
jamie peacock
yep yep you've got a really nice hammer it's really easy to hit the nail now
00:10:42
Curt
And I put a part in. I use the nice MPG to align it because I have everything is clocked. So i have to align it and then I hit go and then I walk away and then I come back and it's done. And I pull out of the machine and I. Yeah.
00:10:56
Curt
ah And you know what? I don't comp it. It cuts the exact same all day. I'm not like checking every second part to be like, oh, it's moving this way now. Oh, it's moving this way.
00:11:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:03
Curt
it's just like part, part, part, part.
00:11:05
jamie peacock
Dude, that is how I feel about the LK.
00:11:06
Curt
It's lovely.
00:11:09
jamie peacock
like More so now. Like, I've gotten much more into using in-controller compensation and tool diameter comp. And it's like, oh you want to hit exact size? Not a problem. We'll just hit exact size.
00:11:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:22
jamie peacock
Like, it's just so easy.
00:11:22
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:11:24
jamie peacock
It's, yeah, I love it. Like, you don't even have to try.
00:11:26
Curt
Well, especially like, the work I'm putting through it is almost purely visual work. The only reason i comp it is visually.
00:11:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:33
Curt
Like when Chamfer start looking wonky, I just comp it. But like this one, I'm like, oh yeah, you're within, you know, sub 10th. I'm like, or not sub 10th, but like sub thou. I'm like, I don't care. Keep going.
00:11:43
Curt
Like just crank parse through it. So yeah, that's been so nice. I just, yeah. I didn't realize how much of a drain that was on me just to like be constantly tool change. Cause I'm like, oh it's a tool change and whatever.
00:11:53
Curt
I get to walk away, but you can never pull it.
00:11:54
jamie peacock
yeah you're always thinking do i have to go do something there yeah i know exactly i know exactly that feeling like i mean the emco ran 200 pins today so they're still pins like i set it up i just had to go and let it run i was short of material because some illiterate was allowed to order material um i needed two lengths of six and one length of ten and i ordered two lengths of ten and one length of six
00:11:54
Curt
You never pull your mind away from it. It's always on your brain. So.
00:12:00
Curt
Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah so
00:12:04
Curt
yeah.
00:12:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:12:19
jamie peacock
So I made 100 pins, and i'm like, well, shit, I need 300.
00:12:19
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:21
jamie peacock
Ordered material on Thursday on Wednesday when I realized, and it arrived today. The truck didn't make it on Friday. I'm like, really? That's inconvenient, but those are now done.
00:12:33
jamie peacock
And that machine, so yeah, that machine I added. No, I didn't add anything. I added stuff to other machines. We were discussing the faulty earths using Wago connectors like a week or two ago.
00:12:48
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:12:48
jamie peacock
And yeah, the new VFD in Bertha caused the EMCO's spindle servo drive to throw an IGBT or MGIGM, whatever it is, the fucking thingy, either the switchy switchy thing, ah through an error twice.
00:13:03
jamie peacock
And then I fixed the earthing on Bertha and then the problem went away. Yeah. So like EMI is a real thing because I see you've got, we both have some EMI filter things in our goggle boxes.
00:13:09
Curt
Interesting. interesting
00:13:14
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:13:15
jamie peacock
I'm going like full hog on the Spinderella. this
Handling Electromagnetic Interference
00:13:20
jamie peacock
There's EMI line filters on both of the servos and on the a spindle VFD, as well as on all the all four auxiliary VFDs, and then a DC inline line filter on my 5-volt line to prevent spikes going to the controller.
00:13:39
Curt
but Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent yeah,
00:13:40
jamie peacock
And then also, always put flyback diodes on your solenoids. Always. It's not actually optional. Because the Emco was fine right up until it wasn't.
00:13:49
Curt
yeah
00:13:53
jamie peacock
You would clamp the spindle in it with throw our limits of chillon. And I'm like, what the hell? Eventually, I'm like, okay, hang on. I don't think I put flybacks. Added flybacks, problem went away like instantly.
00:14:04
jamie peacock
So yeah, machine wiring can be slight challenge sometimes.
00:14:05
Curt
yeah
00:14:10
Curt
Yeah, no, I agree. especially Especially those inductive loads, those are the fun ones.
00:14:13
jamie peacock
yeah
00:14:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm not. like Actually, I'm going to go to our local electronics place and see if I can buy a small 220 to 110 transformer because I only need about 0.6 of an amp.
00:14:26
jamie peacock
And I don't want to put the transformer back in because I'm worried about inrush on that when I turn the machine on.
00:14:31
Curt
yeah
00:14:34
jamie peacock
How many amps are we pulling with that The VFDs? Like everything's just going to be sucking down power and potentially pop the brake. So I'm just trying to be a little bit sensible about what I do.
00:14:47
jamie peacock
Because the only thing I need 110 for is for the heat exchanger on the door.
00:14:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:47
Curt
yeah ah heat Oh, it's got a like ah ah chiller or whatever.
00:14:55
jamie peacock
Oh, it's a heat pipe heat exchanger. So it's got a fan on the inside that blows air over a radiator and heat pipes, and then an external fan that blows air past the radiator and heat pipes, and they separate it
00:14:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:07
jamie peacock
So it's just a heatpo heat pipe heat exchanger.
00:15:07
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:15:09
jamie peacock
So you don't have to get dirty air into your machine.
00:15:09
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:15:12
Curt
Yeah, that's, I love that. Like that the style came with that and i was like, what? but This is, every machine should have.
00:15:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:17
jamie peacock
Exactly.
00:15:17
Curt
This is just so smart because then you can seal cabinet.
00:15:19
Curt
you don't have to have a bunch of dust blowing in there.
00:15:19
jamie peacock
Exactly.
00:15:20
Curt
Yeah, it's great idea.
00:15:21
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I'm going to do a bit more sealing on my cabinet still.
00:15:22
Curt
That's cool.
00:15:25
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, that Spinderella has been lots of fun over the last little while.
00:15:30
Curt
Yeah, I've been watching you.
00:15:30
jamie peacock
My arms, dude, my arms are like broken out in a rash from the disgustingness in that machine.
00:15:31
Curt
I've been watching you progress on it. Uh-oh.
00:15:38
jamie peacock
Like my arms and my hands are fucking, they they finished from cleaning the machine. Because obviously I don't wear bitch mittens. Yeah. But yeah, I got it clean, got the servos in ah It will move tomorrow. The axes will be moving tomorrow. I'm short of a little bit of Irving wire, so I'm going to go pick that up in the morning.
00:15:55
jamie peacock
And then I can hook them up and I can actually make the axes jog. I'm also short of the new lube lines.
00:15:58
Curt
Cool.
00:16:00
jamie peacock
That should arrive tomorrow as well. and then the axes can move go you saw my story with the spindle encoder got that sorted out yep using the fanook cable what a freaking ball egg literally had the encoder the cover of the encoder plug the cable and strip two strip to twist the twisted pair multimeter beep beep till beeps okay split the two wires beep figure out which one it is crimp a connector cut the other one off did that for all the all the signals and whatnot so
00:16:06
Curt
Yeah, yeah. That's cool, yeah.
00:16:29
jamie peacock
And yeah, it's working. And I reinstalled it today. So yeah, we're getting there. Like there's there's fewer and fewer things every day that need to be dealt with.
00:16:37
Curt
Yeah, no, I'm impressed with the progress you're making. I was like, oh, you're chunking through that. I mean, a lathe isn't crazy complicated, but yeah, you have but say you have some motivation to get it done.
00:16:42
jamie peacock
Well, I have ah have a bit of a deadline.
00:16:47
Curt
Like, yeah, starving.
00:16:47
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:16:48
jamie peacock
Like i was I was busy sorting out the ah user interface buttons now this afternoon and figuring out what I'm doing there because there's like... ah I've taken to simplifying my user panel. It's basically MPG.
00:16:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:01
jamie peacock
like You would have stop, stop. In this case, there's a collet button to unclamp the collets instead of a foot switch, and then a key to override that to be always open.
00:17:07
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:10
jamie peacock
So if I put a chuck on, then you just flick the key and it stays back. and This one's got chip conveyor and chip conveyor reverse. Chip conveyor is a latching button. Chip conveyor reverse is momentary.
00:17:22
jamie peacock
And then those just run to the VFD and make the VFD do disco things. Then there's a spindle disable and a coolant disable. And obviously an e-stop because I'm not a savage. um
00:17:33
Curt
yeah
00:17:34
jamie peacock
So the spindle, the physical buttons to disable the spindle and disable the coolant. but So if you're doing something you want to pause and like clear shavings or whatever, you can hit pause, turn those off, do your thing without the spindle spinning because the buttons sometimes gray out in LinuxCNC.
00:17:52
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:52
jamie peacock
Yeah, which is really frustrating when you want to just click it and you fucking can't turn the spindle off.
00:17:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:58
jamie peacock
So you've got your hooker, your plan C, and you're trying to hook the shavings loose. And yeah, so I'm putting all those fun things in while i'm while I'm doing this. Like this machine's got by far the most dumb shit in it that I've done in the machine. Well, I've got a power off relay in there, a delay off relay.
00:18:18
jamie peacock
little timer board. So we we did discuss yeah this was for the hydraulic pump and the the oiler.
00:18:20
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:18:26
Curt
Right, yeah, it doesn't mean.
00:18:26
jamie peacock
So they will turn up. They don't turn off instantly as you hit the e-stop because that seems irresponsible. But if you leave the machine standing with the e-stop pressed for a while or you don't release the e-stop, they will stay off until that e-stop releases.
00:18:41
Curt
Yeah. No, it makes sense.
00:18:42
jamie peacock
But, yeah, getting all that, all those freaking systems, because there's no drawings.
00:18:42
Curt
you
00:18:45
jamie peacock
Why would there be drawings? And all the wires are blue. So you have to go in there with a multimeter.
00:18:51
Curt
You like that, though. Don't you like just one color of wire? Didn't you tell me that's how you wire?
00:18:54
jamie peacock
Well, yeah, then ask the but then I have to buy one color of wire, don't I?
00:18:58
jamie peacock
No, that's how the CE standard is.
00:18:58
Curt
Exactly.
00:19:04
Curt
Yeah. i
00:19:04
jamie peacock
It's meant to be that you cannot assume anything. You have to measure. And I'm like, that's fucking a stupid. Like, I've color-coded my 5 volts is red and black.
00:19:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:13
jamie peacock
There's like three 12-volt things. I'll probably color-code those as well.
00:19:17
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:17
jamie peacock
All the, like, the MPG, the knobs, all that shit, I just use different color wires because it's easier. That's thinner wires, so,
00:19:24
Curt
I know even when I did the hard inch, I color coded the wires, but then I didn't like now when I do like any kind of checks on it whatever, I'm like, did I color code?
00:19:31
jamie peacock
yeah. Yeah.
00:19:32
Curt
Do I write like, did I do it? And then I don't trust myself. So I ended up, I ended up checking them anyways, but still it's like, it's like, Oh, I was smart and I did color code these.
00:19:35
jamie peacock
yeah you end up going with a meter
00:19:40
Curt
It's like, Oh, or did you just run out and change one wire? So I try not to do that, but yeah.
00:19:44
jamie peacock
yeah but it happens like i've got this yeah there's a lot of wires that are going through to that front user interface holy cow i mean we've got four vfds that four vfds just for accessories so it's coolant vfd there's um spindle fan vfd or spindle motor fan vfd um
00:19:46
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:55
Curt
Right.
00:20:03
jamie peacock
Chip conveyor VFT. And what's the other one?
00:20:08
jamie peacock
Oh, hydraulics VFT. I knew there was another one. But like the hydraulics VFT just turns gets on the signal when you release the e-stop and just turns on and powers up and stays on.
00:20:16
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:20:16
jamie peacock
There's nothing nothing fancy there that's on the
00:20:17
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
Tool Preferences and Machining Techniques
00:20:19
jamie peacock
on delay.
00:20:19
jamie peacock
And I've put the new oiler in because I don't like the oiler that's in the machine. So I'll put my own one in. And I won't put it in a stupid fucking place because this one's in a little cabinet at the bottom.
00:20:25
Curt
Cool.
00:20:29
jamie peacock
I'm like, no, put it somewhere where I can see the bloody thing.
00:20:32
jamie peacock
So that I, yeah, like, don't make it difficult to top the oil up, because then guess what? You don't top the oil up.
00:20:33
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:20:39
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, with any maintenance thing, make it simple.
00:20:40
jamie peacock
But yeah, the way, yeah, the way covers are back on for the most part, short of the Z-axis way cover, because I'm waiting on new oil lines.
00:20:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:49
jamie peacock
But yeah, the machine's making amazing progress. Hopefully we'll be at a place that I can run it before it goes in the garage, but I don't think so.
00:20:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:59
jamie peacock
ah think i'll I think I'll be buttoning it up over the weekend.
00:21:03
Curt
Yeah. Well, I mean, you're married to it at this point, so yeah.
00:21:05
jamie peacock
that's well yeah no it's it's fucking happening whether i wanted to and still need to get a chuck adapter because my one got returned and i got refunded for it so need to order another one from china land because that's two weeks out so because it would be nice to actually have a chuck to be able to hold round things not just collets for now the the most pressing things are collet work so it's fine but yeah i would like to have the more fancy this
00:21:15
Curt
Right.
00:21:18
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:26
Curt
Hmm. Okay.
00:21:31
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:31
jamie peacock
So yeah, anyway, um what's a why are you running your sales slower?
00:21:32
Curt
Cool, Google.
00:21:37
Curt
ah So going with the same like logic as you is, i like for the most part, the if you if I have the rapid speed like cranked to the max, it's impressive.
00:21:49
Curt
But like when you look at the total cycle time, even on long like hour plus parts, it's like, oh, it's changing it by four minutes or something.
00:21:49
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:21:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:21:57
Curt
like it's It's insignificant, and it's just like... it just, everything is just moving so much faster. And i'm like, I'm just going to, so I have ah yeah there's a button on the control or you have it probably too, where you just have like feed override.
00:22:07
jamie peacock
a so 50% yeah 50%
00:22:10
Curt
Yeah, and you can set it by parameter to like whatever you want. So I can be like, I want to run it at 80% or I want to run it at 60% or 20%.
00:22:13
jamie peacock
oh cool
00:22:17
Curt
And I use it for proving out. I have it set like at 20%.
00:22:20
jamie peacock
okay yeah it's fine yeah you yes
00:22:21
Curt
I just toggle it when I run programs. and I'm like, whatever. Now you you tool change a little slower. You move around a little slower. But like everything is just... like I was having issues with the tool change. I think I told you when it would wrap it up and I would like blow past my...
00:22:33
Curt
art hit the limit or something anyways running it just a little slower never had a problem in like the last two weeks of solid running so i'm like i'm just gonna do that like everything is happier and i'm not i'm not saving i'm coming maybe i'm losing six minutes a day like just like sure yeah
00:22:42
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:22:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, it's worth, I mean, I run at 50% generally. Today I ran a job at 100%, that's because had to drill a single hole in 100 pieces. So, ah yeah. Like load bar hit go. and need to make a speed handle because my stupid foldy vass handle was annoying me.
00:23:04
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, had some stuff I made come back because they had a failure on Saturday night. They deployed a drone and the carbon tube came out. They came to land and crashed because the one leg was missing.
00:23:20
jamie peacock
So it's something we've discussed in the past.
00:23:20
Curt
Ooh.
00:23:20
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:22
jamie peacock
I'm like, no, send them back to me. I'll poke a hole through. I'll give you a screw. You glue the carbon tube and you take a drill. You just chase that hole and then screw a M2.2x5 self-tapper into that, that it's key. It can't come out.
00:23:35
jamie peacock
um
00:23:36
Curt
yeah
00:23:36
jamie peacock
So I modified all 100 of them from that they just ordered. like I think I delivered them last week. So they sent them back quickly and I sorted them out for them.
00:23:44
Curt
Yeah, there's a perfect example where you want rapid because you're probably half your program is just rapid. So it's like that's where it makes sense.
00:23:48
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, the drill, the whole cycle was like eight seconds.
00:23:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:52
Curt
Yeah.
00:23:52
jamie peacock
So yeah, if you go, it becomes a 15 second cycle. So yeah, you want to blow through it as fast as possible.
00:23:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:00
jamie peacock
and
00:24:00
Curt
Yeah, baby.
00:24:01
jamie peacock
But yeah, no, no, definitely running things a little bit slower is not the worst idea in the world. Like super fast is super impressive, but does it need to be doing that?
00:24:06
Curt
No, and every... Yeah.
00:24:09
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, and if it's... Exactly. if it's sort like There's some parts where I'm doing a ton of surfacing where it's like, yeah I want my rapids at max because 20% of the the motion is rapid.
00:24:16
jamie peacock
yeah
00:24:19
Curt
But when like when it's 1%, I don't care. Run it slower.
00:24:22
jamie peacock
yeah no
00:24:22
Curt
Make everything happier. It's like way less strain.
00:24:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, actually actually want to pull away covers on um my Z-axis and just check everything under there. sounded a bit funny when I wrapped it up today.
00:24:29
Curt
Hmm.
00:24:32
jamie peacock
So I think it's preventive maintenance time.
00:24:32
Curt
How...
00:24:35
Curt
um
00:24:35
jamie peacock
Just make sure everything is getting lube.
00:24:36
Curt
how
00:24:38
Curt
How was your, um, i see you see the the stupid blisk job is done and gone forever. Cause I saw your, I saw your stories on that laced with hate. So how's that been?
00:24:48
jamie peacock
It left today.
00:24:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:49
jamie peacock
i didn't drill one of the holes because fuck that. um It required me to spend like another another couple hundred dollars on tooling and I'm just like, fuck this. No. I didn't see it in the drawing. Sorry.
00:24:59
jamie peacock
I'm just, I'm not interested. It requires 10 diameter extension to hold a two millimeter tool to interpolate a 2.1 ball. I'm just like, no. Just just fucking no.
00:25:11
jamie peacock
And then, yeah, the cast to the guy was like, no, it's just invoice me. So I invoiced him $1,000 for them, which is way more than he's getting paid, but I don't care.
00:25:17
Curt
Nice.
00:25:19
jamie peacock
That was five days of my life.
00:25:23
Curt
Ugh, yeah, brutal.
00:25:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, like literally five full days on that job. So fuck that. I don't feel that bad about invoicing him because that it's literally a quarter of my month that I spent on that job.
00:25:27
Curt
Ugh.
00:25:33
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:33
jamie peacock
Like if I work reasonable hours, which I don't, but not the point. um So yeah, he got you the parts today and they are gone. i had to make a setup where had to put a 45 degree hole into a piece stainless.
00:25:46
jamie peacock
So I laser cut a little triangle and fucking balanced it and eyeballed the position and fucking drilled it. Good enough. Like we're not getting the order, so i don't really care.
00:25:58
Curt
Yeah, yeah,
00:25:59
jamie peacock
Like, we know we're not getting the order. So, yeah. I don't like letting shit leave my workshop. So, they were done to the best of my abilities until I lost interest. um
00:26:08
Curt
yeah.
00:26:09
jamie peacock
Like, the surfacing is better than it was on the previous batch. Like, my surface finishes and everything. So, they there were nicer parts, just like that one hole.
00:26:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:16
jamie peacock
I just that could not be bothered. No, it, yeah, it was great.
00:26:19
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:21
jamie peacock
I can't even just buy the things I need locally. It's a case of bringing in from China and I'm just, no, I'm not having that sit around for another two weeks.
00:26:31
Curt
Yeah, wouldn't be different if he was all about like being like, oh, no sweat. We'll we'll cover it. We'll make it like, let's make it so, but they're not so.
00:26:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, I'm not interested in that fucking job at all ever again. But yeah, I was running Toolsteel today and then I broke a tool. And apparently I didn't touch it off when I replaced it.
00:26:49
Curt
Oh, that's less fun.
00:26:51
jamie peacock
So an hour and a half later, I discovered that I scrapped the part.
00:26:55
Curt
Oh, no, it was close enough that. it Oh, no, that's that's even worse.
00:26:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it was comma two, the tool was comma two of a millimeter longer. So I finished the part, I left onion skin, I smack it out of the onion skin, debur everything, grab the verner, but that slot looks like it's not in the middle.
00:27:11
jamie peacock
Measure? Shit. What the hell? Like, it's only comma two thicker than it should be. We meant to have comma two aside for grinding. And yeah, then I went and retouched off the tool and realized what I had done.
00:27:22
Curt
Oh, that sucks.
00:27:23
jamie peacock
That was after like two and a hours of machining on that part. But it's fine. That's tomorrow's endeavor. Luckily, well, kind of luckily, I had to buy a piece of gauge plate big enough to make two of them. because that's the smallest piece we could buy so at least I have material I'll set it up on the vacuum chuck tomorrow and just vacuum it down and run it but yeah my vacuum chuck is not flat
00:27:35
Curt
OK.
00:27:43
Curt
Oh, bummer.
00:27:47
Curt
Oh, no.
00:27:48
jamie peacock
yes from when I machined it last time to now it is not flat had to re-skim it it varied by about comma one five of a millimeter well I mean we it's only it's only 20 millimeters thick
00:27:51
Curt
Yeah. Oh, it moved?
00:27:58
Curt
Interesting. Because that says a big sss.
00:28:05
Curt
Still.
00:28:05
jamie peacock
So it's less than an inch thick and it's 400 by 400 millimeters.
00:28:11
Curt
Oh, OK. It's bigger than i thought. OK.
00:28:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's it's not small.
00:28:12
Curt
Yeah. OK.
00:28:14
jamie peacock
So it warped a little bit.
00:28:14
Curt
OK.
00:28:15
jamie peacock
So I skimmed it again and it seems, to well, it's flat now. I'll take it out and put it back in and see if it's still flat after. And then I might just suck it up and buy like a two inch chunk and make a solid one.
00:28:29
jamie peacock
But I need the vacuum chuck to make the vacuum chuck. because how else you hold the chunk of material to do the up one but yeah that's i need to just make a thicker one i think so i've been been tool stealing or tool stealing all day and yeah the machine does tool steal well if you use smaller tools so everything goes with a six mil six millimeter uh corn cob i like them because when they wear out they just break and the machine doesn't give a shit and just
00:28:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:34
Curt
Right, right.
00:28:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:49
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:28:57
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's not an issue. Whereas like a 10 millimeter, it wears out and then it becomes really rough. So I just use sixes and when they break, they break and i'll put a new one in. And then forget to touch it off and sc scrap a pot.
00:29:07
Curt
Yeah.
00:29:10
jamie peacock
highly skilled.
00:29:10
Curt
yeah
00:29:11
jamie peacock
Now, the tool that broke today had had done a fair amount of machining. I machined a bunch of the re-roller rollers that I make over the weekend. And that process, I saying to Danica, used to be cut it in the bandsaw, put it in the lathe, bore the bore, put it in the mill, mill the keyway into the bore and mill the side reliefs, then back into the lathe and turn the ODI.
00:29:33
jamie peacock
But it was a chattery mess on the ODI because, yeah, it was on or ob, it was really sketch. Now, It's one up in the mill. I do the bore with the key, deburr that, and then it goes and two onto a fixture, bolts in, and I do the OD one time.
00:29:49
jamie peacock
Machine the adaptive it out, and then machine the OD, and I hold a better tolerance on the mill than I held on Bertha.
00:29:56
Curt
Nice. Nice.
00:29:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, not good I've got the process dialed now. I knocked out seven of them, and then I ran out of bandsaw blades. I don't think I've bought a bandsaw blade in a year and a half.
00:30:07
Curt
Oh, wow.
00:30:08
jamie peacock
No, there's a reason. We did a job where we made like 6,000 T-nuts. with ah So we bought flat steel flat bar, cut it. So Danica was sitting at the saw with the stopper, just pneumatic clamp, ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk.
00:30:20
Curt
Oh.
00:30:22
jamie peacock
And after about 600 or 700 parts, the saw, the cut would go from like 20 seconds to a minute. So then we'd swap the blade and she would carry on. So I had like a row of blades. And yeah, they're all finished now.
00:30:35
jamie peacock
I broke the last two over the weekend. So i should get blades tomorrow, Wednesday from my tooling guys. Sent the chicken mail um our message.
00:30:41
Curt
Yeah,
00:30:42
jamie peacock
I'm like, hey, I need bandsaw blades. I don't know what size they are. i used to order them. I need those ones.
00:30:47
Curt
yeah, yeah.
00:30:48
jamie peacock
Like, look it up, please.
00:30:49
Curt
yeah
00:30:50
jamie peacock
um Because um i think I mean, I've been buying portaband bandsaw blades from them lately. I haven't been buying for the bandsaw for like a year and a half because I had a whole freaking pile that were just mildly blunt.
00:31:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:01
jamie peacock
They were still perfectly fine if you weren't in a rush.
00:31:05
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:31:06
jamie peacock
ah So, are you running where are you planning on running Neat Oil?
00:31:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:11
Curt
I mean, I'm not, I was going to run the style on it, but it's the one thing I'm noticing now, like from the little Kurt to the, to the style and yeah, mind you, uh, like SFM change. Like I can push, I can actually push SFM on the style now.
00:31:25
jamie peacock
yeah
00:31:25
Curt
Um,
00:31:27
Curt
but I like cook tools like at probably, uh, 50 times the speed at which the little, like the little Kurt would, it could run for you years on certain parts. Cause it's just like, that you look at the SFM and it's like, Oh, it's 40 SFM in titanium.
00:31:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:31:41
Curt
It's like it's, and it that's blowing the straight oil on the cut. And it's like, yeah, it's going to, it's going to cut forever like that. Cause it's not even, so now I'm, now that I'm pushing the tool at you know, whatever, 250
00:31:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:31:51
Curt
um they wear out like way faster, like a batch.
00:31:54
jamie peacock
Well, yeah.
00:31:54
Curt
And I'm like, Oh, these tools are, cut I mean, they're hours and hours and hours in the cut, um which is a trade-off I don't mind making.
00:32:00
jamie peacock
Well, that's...
00:32:01
Curt
So
00:32:02
jamie peacock
Yeah. Well, that's the tool steel I've been doing. our turn my speed down, like my spindle up here. um I've got a sheet there says maximum 6,900.
00:32:08
Curt
yeah.
00:32:11
jamie peacock
And then one ah like another set of settings for different materials. I ended up at 4,200, and that thing just runs. Yeah, it's a little bit slower, not because your feed per tooth is still the same, but just let it run.
00:32:23
jamie peacock
ah If you're not blowing it up, just let it run.
00:32:24
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Well, then,
00:32:27
jamie peacock
I let run, and I did other stuff today. I did a bunch of quoting while the machine was running.
00:32:30
Curt
yeah
00:32:32
jamie peacock
like If it's running, I can hear. It's running, I hear. If the tool's going to break, so i just let it do its thing. mean yeah Speed isn't everything.
00:32:39
Curt
well yeah Yeah, and then ah i mean that leads ah directly into my little next point of like, I'm definitely going to now look at fancier tools. Because like in the past, I'm like, oh, it doesn't matter. Like an uncoded tool, like whatever.
00:32:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:50
Curt
It's going to last me months. And now they last me hours, which makes sense. They're going through titanium, and I'm pushing them basically as hard as I can.
00:32:55
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:57
Curt
um Well, not as hard as I can. As hard as I can to the surface finish I want. um And then soon as they get dull, like it's hilarious. like I totally understand. I think Grimsmo talked about it. I think everyone's talked about this at some point. of like You get to a point where...
00:33:09
Curt
like first you're swapping tools because you're breaking them then you're swapping tools because you're like they're worn out so bad that like you can visually look at that and like how is that even cutting and then you get to the point where you're just swapping out tools because like the surface finish drops but if you looked at the tool like even if i look under it like under a loop i'm like this tool looks fine but you swap in a brand new tool and you're like oh it's night and day difference this this is going to save me heaps on finishing so you're like yeah it's it looks perfect but it's a garbage tool now like i could give this to a hobby machinist and they'd love it because it's
00:33:23
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:33:28
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:33:33
jamie peacock
Yeah. that's I was about to bring that up because I know back the day Grimsmo got a box of tools from someone and they were like, he's like, these things are still perfectly fine because he was running his X2 or his Tormach and yeah, like for a hobbyist, they're perfectly fine.
00:33:44
Curt
totally yep
00:33:48
Curt
yep and i and i saved a handful for that for just like playing around or something but like i of sudden my handful starts to grow bigger and i'm like okay well like i'm never going to use this and why am i storing it and tools are not the expensive part of my world so i'm like
00:33:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:34:00
jamie peacock
Well,
00:34:03
jamie peacock
Yeah. Well, no that's what I do with the the remnants on a lot of the jobs I do. Like, I'll keep remnants. Like, oh, if I know someone with a machine, maybe they want some remnants. And eventually, I'm just like, put it in a bucket and get rid of it because it's just taking up space.
00:34:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:16
jamie peacock
I'm not going to use it if need to make parts, I'm just going to grab a new bar of material.
00:34:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:20
jamie peacock
I'm not going to go run remnants unless I absolutely have to.
00:34:20
Curt
Yep.
00:34:23
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, it's... Yeah, it's an interesting one. ah Speaking of tools and fancy finishes, have you seen what EJ is getting out of those Frasier tools?
00:34:30
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:34:34
Curt
Yes, that's what pushed me to think about Frasier a lot more.
00:34:35
jamie peacock
Dude.
00:34:37
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, i was going to say, ah maybe you should try some of those.
00:34:41
jamie peacock
Because, yeah, he's getting some amazing finishes honors on those lures.
00:34:41
Curt
100%. Yeah, absolutely.
00:34:46
Curt
Yep.
00:34:48
jamie peacock
But yeah, he's busy making a I want to call it not a fifth axis, but yeah, the trunnion set up a design for the anchor points.
00:34:56
Curt
Cool. Cool.
00:34:57
jamie peacock
He's busy machining all the pieces for that currently because i we're chatting.
00:35:00
Curt
Cool.
00:35:01
jamie peacock
He sent me pictures of it this morning. ah jo Speaking of EJ, EJ is one of our Patreons.
00:35:04
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:08
jamie peacock
The Patreons make the wheels on the podcast go round and round.
00:35:09
Curt
Ooh.
00:35:12
jamie peacock
Special shout out to our top tier patrons, JadedBenchmark20, Luke from Fabtastic, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing and 18 other companies, EJ from Nocturnal Welding, Jason S and the Aussie Machinist.
00:35:25
jamie peacock
Thank you guys for making the podcast wheels go round and round and trying to make us not sleep on the streets of Chicago.
00:35:33
jamie peacock
Because IMTS is a thing, apparently.
00:35:34
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:35
jamie peacock
um
00:35:37
Curt
yeah
00:35:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, we are planning to be there. But yeah, ah the podcast listeners also get access to the after show where Kurt and I talk about super secret things and I tend to be a little bit more unhinged and whatnot.
00:35:48
jamie peacock
um Also get shouted by my wife because she actually listens to that whole thing to make sure I'm not totally unhinged. ah But yeah, the Patreons get access to that, and they get to vote on things like the names of my new machines, namely Spinderella.
00:36:01
jamie peacock
But yeah, go check out the Patreon, and also thelearnmachinists.com is the website where you can find the companion guide and some bonus content. But anyway, back to the podcast.
Podcast Recommendations and Listener Interaction
00:36:12
Curt
Back to the podcast.
00:36:13
jamie peacock
Yes. Oh, speaking of podcasts, are you a sci-fi fan?
00:36:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:17
jamie peacock
I would assume so.
00:36:19
Curt
Very much so. Yeah.
00:36:20
jamie peacock
Okay. ah Joe Rogan podcast.
00:36:23
Curt
Okay.
00:36:25
jamie peacock
Katie Sackhoff was on there.
00:36:28
Curt
Oh, I didn't, I didn't know that.
00:36:29
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:36:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:30
jamie peacock
Like today or yesterday. Dude, really good listen. Really, really good listen.
00:36:34
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:35
jamie peacock
Yeah, yeah. No, no. Worth listening to. ah Yeah, I don't normally recommend them, but like, the only reason I'm still subscribed to is for when cool people come on like that.
00:36:45
Curt
Interesting. Yeah, i don't I don't typically listen to his stuff.
00:36:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, really.
00:36:48
Curt
He got a little too bro-y on me, but there's some guests that i I really like following.
00:36:50
jamie peacock
Yeah. i
00:36:52
Curt
so Interesting.
00:36:52
jamie peacock
that's the only reason he's still in my Spotify feed is for when he's got a guest I'm interested in.
00:36:58
Curt
Totally. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:36:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, so that was really, really good.
00:37:03
Curt
Oh, you are you you sent me ah why is was it the I think the latest Chips and Tips podcast, um you were saying it's really good.
00:37:03
jamie peacock
I listened to it today.
00:37:11
Curt
I should pull it up so I can actually...
00:37:12
jamie peacock
Yes. I
00:37:14
Curt
Who was that? ah Give me a second.
00:37:17
jamie peacock
can't remember who it was.
00:37:17
Curt
um I'll pull it up here.
00:37:19
jamie peacock
Okay, because...
00:37:19
Curt
Chips and tips. Toolpath. This is with ah ah Alex Rossner.
00:37:25
jamie peacock
Yes, I think so.
00:37:26
Curt
So bad it's good.
00:37:27
jamie peacock
Yes, dude.
00:37:27
Curt
Oh, that was like... That's like... doesn and you If you've got to be a nerd, but man, that was a nerdy good podcast.
00:37:32
jamie peacock
Yeah,
00:37:33
jamie peacock
that was such a good podcast.
00:37:33
Curt
I'm not even...
00:37:34
Curt
I think I'm... Three quarters way through. Yeah. Anyways, thank you. ah Thank you, ah master ah Master Alex, and for the ah for the lovely the lovely interview.
00:37:44
Curt
That was so was very good.
00:37:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, no that was a that was a really, really good episode.
00:37:45
Curt
I enjoyed it. I mean, and obviously, yeah, yeah. i ah
00:37:50
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:37:52
Curt
I mean, and Justin for interviewing him, but yeah, it was it was they like they got deep into the weeds about stuff and I was like, ooh, this is perfect content.
00:37:52
jamie peacock
But yeah, there's some... yeah
00:37:58
jamie peacock
properly yeah no no that's right up early yeah dadica seems to think we might be slightly just slightly it's a spectrum everyone's on it ah um oh yes today i ran into an issue with cycle 832
00:37:59
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:09
Curt
Everyone's on. it's a It's called a spectrum. It's called a spectrum for a reason. Exactly. Yeah.
00:38:21
Curt
Oh, okay. Tell me more.
00:38:22
jamie peacock
And I don't know why I need to actually go investigate. It was, my Fusion was outputting a semi-finish, which should be correct because I made my post post the correct shit.
00:38:29
Curt
Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:38:34
jamie peacock
But it was like, doesn't recognize the word. I don't know if I've just never posted a semi-finish before.
00:38:38
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:41
jamie peacock
um Normally it's either roughing or finishing. I need to go investigate.
00:38:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:46
jamie peacock
But yeah, was doing it today with my my adaptive toolpath. It was run trying to run as a semi finish side in automatic mode and yeah it was being super weird.
00:38:50
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:56
Curt
Weird.
00:38:57
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm not sure why, but I thought I'd just mention it.
00:38:57
Curt
Weird, weird.
00:39:01
jamie peacock
and It was being being creepy. And I eventually just overrode it and told it to do it as a finish boss because I was not I was impatient.
00:39:04
Curt
Hmm.
00:39:08
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:10
jamie peacock
Like it's not going fast. It's doing all of 400 millimeters a minute. So it's not going to make a difference if I run it in fast mode or smoothing or no smoothing or anything.
00:39:20
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:20
jamie peacock
Apparently, I put things in my doc twice. I'm very, very skilled.
00:39:24
Curt
I want extra, extra important.
00:39:27
jamie peacock
um Yeah, so I see you spoke to Phase Perfect.
00:39:33
Curt
I did. Yeah. i So I was i just kind of going down this road of style or not style. Well, I mean, technically style, but I'm looking at Swiss machines and then looking at the power I have here and the power I'll eventually need and how I want to generate said power.
00:39:49
Curt
um So I have the option of like I have a I think the the phase converter I have here 10 horsepower, which is kind of misleading in digital phase converter line because
00:39:56
jamie peacock
a fucking stupid number, yeah, but...
00:39:58
Curt
Because, yeah, it's 10 horsepower, but it puts out way more than 10 horsepower. worth the power Like, you can put out about 15 horsepower continuously. um But I think they're pulling...
00:40:05
jamie peacock
But I assume that's... Yeah, but that that also starts using your motors as the donkey motor. Like, to balance the phases. So, like, I know mine, I can run...
00:40:16
jamie peacock
ah think it's one seven and a half kilowatt motor or two, four kilowatt motors. If you start them not together or like six, three horsepower motors or six, three, three kilowatt motors, because it starts to use the motor as it's, top mines and mine's a dumb phase converter, starts to, every motor you add to the system adds capacity because it's another motor generating your third phase.
00:40:39
Curt
Right
00:40:44
Curt
I see yeah, I'm not sure how that works because I mean the spec sheet says like what its max output is and if you just work the watts like it's in watts everything should just be watts we don't need horsepower anyways
00:40:44
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:49
jamie peacock
yeah Yeah. No shit. Horsepower is, yeah. It's made up.
00:40:54
Curt
because I'm just back. I'm just converting everything. And I think with it is, I think it's 10 horsepower considering ah horrible, like inductive heavy draw load, like a 10 horsepower motor is probably going to draw like 15 to 20 horsepower when it boots up.
00:41:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:06
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:07
Curt
So I think that's how they size them. um And then anyways, so so i was like, well, either I use this phase converter.
00:41:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:12
jamie peacock
How many, sorry, yeah how many watts is your phase converted?
00:41:13
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:15
jamie peacock
Or how many kilowatts?
00:41:17
Curt
It is, um I have to pull up the map. It's 60 amps at 220 volts, which is the input and the efficiency is like 98%.
00:41:26
jamie peacock
Yeah, okay, 13 kilowatts.
00:41:27
Curt
Or, sorry, 80 amps. 80 amps.
00:41:31
jamie peacock
80 amps. So 16 kilowatts.
00:41:33
Curt
It's, yeah, it's, yeah, that's what figured about, 15.
00:41:34
jamie peacock
17, yeah.
00:41:37
Curt
Yeah, so just like make everything kilowatts.
00:41:38
jamie peacock
That's cute.
00:41:41
Curt
Yeah, and like, I don't know why. Besides point, um so...
00:41:44
jamie peacock
Yeah, mine's a 22.
00:41:47
Curt
That's beefy. Yeah, that's a lot.
00:41:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's the only one I can get locally.
00:41:50
Curt
Sure, yeah.
00:41:50
jamie peacock
Like, they don't sell a smaller one, so...
00:41:51
Curt
that's hard to That's hard to feed, too. That's going to pull like 100 amps plus.
00:41:54
jamie peacock
Yeah, my generator hates its life. It pulls like 120 amps on startup.
00:41:57
Curt
Weird. Yeah, that's lot of juice.
00:41:59
jamie peacock
It doesn't like it. Once it's started, it's okay. um My concern is will it start on a 60 amp circuit? Because that is what Carl has got in his house.
00:42:11
jamie peacock
And we may be rigging his machine for three phases.
00:42:12
Curt
ah
00:42:14
Curt
problem I mean, it depends. i don't know what the logic is, but a lot of those have like... Okay.
00:42:19
jamie peacock
This has fuck all logic.
00:42:19
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:20
jamie peacock
It's contactor.
00:42:21
Curt
okay
00:42:21
jamie peacock
Push butts until it's spinning and then let go.
00:42:22
Curt
ah
00:42:24
jamie peacock
ah But we might just swap his breaker for a D-curve breaker so it can handle that inrush and then still trip if it's...
00:42:25
Curt
ah
00:42:30
Curt
yeah
00:42:31
jamie peacock
So yeah, we might just swap him for a D-curve. um
00:42:34
Curt
yeah
00:42:35
jamie peacock
to handle it because you also don't want the phase converter going through your earth leakage or your gfcr because the back emf trips it i know this i learned this the hard way would be milling something spindle would slow down and the fucking power would trip yeah i learned that one quick quickly yeah
00:42:43
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:50
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. and Well, and that was, so I so i basically sent Phase Perfect an email because I'm like, well, I can either sell this one and put like a 20 in here and then that would give me enough capacity.
00:43:00
Curt
And then I would run that to a separate breaker and I would have a three phase breaker and then I could run multiple machines off it.
00:43:01
jamie peacock
yes
00:43:05
Curt
Or I can just buy another of the exact same and run another machine, which I kind of like because it gives me redundancy.
00:43:08
jamie peacock
yeah redundancy not 100% yeah
00:43:10
Curt
If one dies, I can just, it's, you know, an hour to flip over wiring and boom, I'm up in business again.
00:43:14
jamie peacock
yeah
00:43:15
Curt
um So I talked to face perfect. Cause I'm like i wonder, cause I know they backfeed like EMI down the the supply line. Like, I wonder if that's going to piss off another unit if I have
Power Systems and Machine Installations
00:43:23
Curt
attached. So I sent him email and they called me like 10 minutes later. He's like, Hey, can you chat for a minute? I was like, yeah, of course. um So i was talking with one of the tech guys there, which was super, he was super knowledgeable. And he's like, yeah, he's like, they're not going any issue. Like he's like, I know the high frequency noise you're talking about that they backfeed.
00:43:36
Curt
He's like, they're not going to have any issue with it.
00:43:36
jamie peacock
yeah
00:43:38
Curt
He's like, I don't know of many things that do have issues. Apparently plasma TVs can have issues. I've just heard that. i've
00:43:44
jamie peacock
Yeah, and exactly.
00:43:44
Curt
But who has a plasma TV nowadays? um um But he did say that if you want, he's like, there's a really good EMI filter. I'm like, oh yeah I know. I'm like, you got to sell it. It's like 700 bucks. He's like, no, no, no, no. no He's like, there's an even better one. Not a better one, but he's like, there's a cheaper one.
00:43:57
Curt
And it's made by Delta. I'll link in the show notes. And it's just a surge protector.
00:44:00
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:44:02
Curt
You put it on your supply line. He's like, and it'll completely kill your back fed high frequency.
00:44:03
jamie peacock
yeah
00:44:06
Curt
He's like and then you won't notice it anywhere else in your house. And it's like 50 bucks.
00:44:09
jamie peacock
So that's that's something I learned on Bertha. So when I...
00:44:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:44:16
jamie peacock
Was Bertha? yeah Yeah, I learned it at some point. But anyway, when I did the Slowio, the VFD I bought just so happened to have an EMR filter in it.
00:44:28
Curt
Okay.
00:44:29
jamie peacock
So it was never an issue. And then did Bertha and was having endless shit. Encode account runaways, and flashing screen, like just endless shit.
00:44:40
jamie peacock
Turns out you need to put a freaking EMR filter in and then all that goes away. Obviously, there's still but best practices like don't run your freaking signal wires next to your power wires.
00:44:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:44:48
jamie peacock
Like, obvious shit like that but that's why like now the the good way has got yeah emr filters coming out the wazoo and it's going to have really good grounding to make sure that that's that they actually sync the emr to ground because i don't think the don't think my laser has an emr filter and that's half the problem with that bloody machine is that it doesn't have yeah emr filtering on it but it still cuts fine so i don't don't really care
00:44:49
Curt
Totally.
00:45:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:09
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:12
jamie peacock
But yeah, I mean, I just spent, I think on all the MR filters I built i bought, it was about $85. No, it's not a
00:45:20
Curt
Oh, that's, yeah, that's nothing. Yeah.
00:45:22
jamie peacock
shitload of money, but yeah, it's fucking it's what I paid for.
00:45:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:27
jamie peacock
was the buy on that machine? It was a decent section of the budget, of like the electronics budget.
00:45:31
Curt
yeah well that makes i mean that's and that's the problem as you go down like if you're in the diy world or if you're in the cheap like commercial electronic industrial electronic cheap stuff they're gonna skimp on all the filtering because as long as they can just squeak under like legislation of like the minimum requirement they'll be happy with it and then and you plug it in you're like hey why does my you know whatever computer screen buzz funny when my whatever's on it's like well that's why because it's
00:45:49
jamie peacock
yeah
00:45:56
jamie peacock
Well, that was the issue we ran into when I changed over birthed it to the raspberry par it was more susceptible to noise so every time you turn the coolant pump on and off the contacts opening and closing because it's a 220 volt pump would make the screen flash so i moved i moved the relay into the other side of the thing and added a inline emr filter and a bunch of other stuff to just try and mitigate issues that we were having especially with that new vfd the the ima is fucking wild on that thing
00:46:10
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:13
Curt
yeah
00:46:28
jamie peacock
But that's what you get when you pay like $50 for a 2.2 kilowatt VFD. Yeah.
00:46:34
Curt
It reminds me of my old day job where I ran a big router, and ah it was the router world is totally fucked. It was running Mach 3 as the control, and this was like a $100,000 router. um So a that's a problem point, and then B, it was so...
00:46:49
Curt
sensitive to EMI because a windows and then it had like an ethernet cable because it's like just the dumbest ways so like you and like I know electronics I'm decent so I'm like well let's improve the grounding let's improve the shielding and the problem is we're machining a lot of plastic which when you're pulling like solids through a vacuum hose you do you generate a lot of static like the thing would shock you like you would not believe
00:46:55
jamie peacock
yeah
00:47:05
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:47:10
Curt
um So anyways, it got to the point where I was like, I was wrapping things in like foil and grounding. I'm like, I look Howard Hughes, a hundred percent. Like I was borderline ready to wrap myself. Cause I'm like, what? And it took me probably a year to finally figure out what the issues were. um And it it was slightly due to the grounding. and It was slightly due to the fact that Mach 3 was installed twice on that system and it was causing all kinds of fucking weird problems.
00:47:30
Curt
But Besides, it's just like, yeah, it drove me nuts. And it's just crazy how much just a little bit of little signal problem came. And there was like an issue of like, it'll just stop the spindle mid cut. So then I would like explode.
00:47:40
jamie peacock
Oh, it breaks the tool.
00:47:41
Curt
the but it was just, oh, it was so annoying.
00:47:41
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:47:43
jamie peacock
Well, there was ah on PFG Live, someone on there, someone put a question about converting a manual lathe to CNC. So they put it into the DIY machines, the score channels.
00:47:43
Curt
It was so annoying.
00:47:58
jamie peacock
popped in there today. I'm like, hey busy with the retrofit of a lathe. If you any questions, please hit me up.
00:48:03
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:04
jamie peacock
Yeah. Like, if you want the the easy, expensive route, go for a Maso. If you want the more complicated, cheaper route, go for Lightning CNC. Avoid Mach 3 and 4 like the plague.
00:48:17
jamie peacock
Now, they are not an acceptable CNC controller. um But yeah, like a Maso is really nice if you want to quickly set something up that's pretty straightforward. Although now they allow Lua scripting and they've got a pro version coming up that will let you do a whole bunch of other automation stuff.
00:48:26
Curt
ye
00:48:37
Curt
Interesting.
00:48:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, because that that's why i steered away from it, because I like my pot counting macros and my stuff like that.
00:48:42
Curt
Totally, yeah.
00:48:43
jamie peacock
It's also fucking expensive, but yeah, I like my, I like to be able to make my machine do whatever the hell I want it to do. Like, oh, I want another seven M codes.
00:48:50
Curt
I'm with you.
00:48:51
jamie peacock
Cool, not a problem. And I just make a list of custom M codes.
00:48:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:55
jamie peacock
Although I'm running out of IO on Spinderella.
00:48:56
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:00
jamie peacock
Quite quickly.
00:49:01
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, so anyways.
00:49:03
jamie peacock
But yeah.
00:49:04
Curt
Oh, and to finish off the phase perfect talk, um yeah, there's there's caps you have to replace in there, but they also have a finite lifespan, and I didn't really understand that.
00:49:05
jamie peacock
but yeah Yes, yes.
00:49:12
Curt
um But yeah, the guy said, he said, typically, he's like, people will see about a seven-year lifespan out of any unit you buy before it just gets too cost prohibitive to repair.
00:49:12
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:49:22
Curt
um he's like But he's like, that can also be up to 16 years, depending on your like if your power coming in is clean, and if it's in an environment that isn't just getting caked with dust, and yada, yada, yada.
00:49:22
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:49:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:49:31
jamie peacock
So you you've got a digital phase converter.
00:49:31
Curt
He's like, we have...
00:49:33
Curt
ah Correct.
00:49:36
jamie peacock
Okay, so it doesn't have a pony motor running on the floor.
00:49:39
Curt
Nope. No, it just, it just, you turn it on and just, it, it uses, yeah it's basically just taking your signal and
00:49:45
jamie peacock
It's a VFD.
00:49:47
Curt
It's a fancy VFT with a bunch of smoothing.
00:49:48
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:49:49
Curt
And yeah, it's, yeah it's, it's silent.
00:49:50
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:49:51
Curt
I love it. And like you said, the, like the idle current is like seven watt, or I think it's like 60 Watts when it's not operating, like when it's not put and it just pushes what it needs.
00:49:52
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:49:58
jamie peacock
Oh, nice. Yeah.
00:49:59
Curt
And it's, ah it's got like, you know, it doesn't make any noise except like, so it's lovely.
00:50:03
jamie peacock
Yeah, mine does. Mine goes oh and also pulls about a kilowatt when it's idling.
00:50:10
Curt
Okay. That's a lot of juice. Yeah.
00:50:11
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's a lot of juice. so And 100 amps to start. um But it also...
00:50:16
Curt
Yeah.
00:50:16
jamie peacock
My one's got a transformer in it. So mine actually... We put in 220 volts and we get out 380 volts three phase. And then there's a transformer on the LK that drops it back to 220.
00:50:26
Curt
this is Yeah, ah yeah, I know.
00:50:29
jamie peacock
Fucking annoying. But yeah, um but I wasn't going to rewire the LK. I was just like, fucking leave it Let it be. um
00:50:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:50:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, Carl, so... Thursday, machine swap place. Friday, Carl's leather arrives, which we cannot find any proper documentation on. So we can't really do anything until it's here.
00:50:47
jamie peacock
So he went and and looked at the, he went and stripped covers and stuff, found the spindle motor. It is a 3.7 kilowatt, 375 volt, three-phase servo motor.
00:51:00
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:51:02
jamie peacock
like, well, fuck. It's not, we're not going to be able to rewire it to 220 volts.
00:51:04
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:51:07
jamie peacock
So we're now looking at potentially using my phase converter to get his machine up and running. Then he can buy own phase converter to run his machine. That way we can rig it at 380 volts because the server drives are still good and the VFD is still good.
00:51:21
jamie peacock
The controller lost its parameters. So if I can find manuals, because we couldn't get part numbers on these drives when because couldn't get into the back cabinets. So when it arrives, we'll try to find manuals, get manuals, see how we can control the drives, whether it's analog and encoder feedback or step direction, whatever, and then make our choices for Linux CNC cards appropriately.
00:51:43
jamie peacock
And hopefully we can just salvage all the electronics and all we have to do is put a controller.
00:51:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:47
jamie peacock
Because...
00:51:48
Curt
that'd be That'd be worth putting a few days into, yeah, for sure.
00:51:50
jamie peacock
Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's either we're going to spend, what's it's about $1,500 for a phase converter, or it's $1,500 for new servos and e spindle motor and drive. So let's see if we can salvage.
00:52:03
jamie peacock
Although we're not entirely sure there is actually a coolant pump in the machine
00:52:04
Curt
Totally.
00:52:08
Curt
Yeah, that's easy fix, though.
00:52:09
jamie peacock
machine. Oh yeah, 100%. It was running brass for a local tap manufacturer.
00:52:11
Curt
Yeah. Mm. Oh, yeah, could say maybe not, yeah.
00:52:14
jamie peacock
Like, sink taps. It actually has a two-jaw chuck, which is kind of cool.
00:52:19
jamie peacock
Like two-jaw hydraulic chuck. Yeah, well, they were holding castings for taps.
00:52:19
Curt
Oh, cute.
00:52:23
Curt
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:24
jamie peacock
So yeah, like, so we're going to pull that off. I think we're going to pull the hydraulics off as well. so we're going to pull the spindle tube out, pull the hydraulic system off the back. That way we can store it. If we ever want to put it back, we can put it back.
00:52:35
jamie peacock
But he's going to put a manual chuck for now because of budgetary reasons.
00:52:38
Curt
mm-hmm.
00:52:39
jamie peacock
Like, I mean, buying hydraulic chuck is not an insignificant amount of money to get a decent one. So, and he's trying to do it on a little bit of a budget.
00:52:45
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, and if you're not going to make use of it, yeah. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:52:51
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I need to try to find a A2-5 spindle adapter for my machine because I need to put a chuck on my machine at some point.
00:53:01
Curt
Don't want to remake it all like you had to do for the Emco.
00:53:01
jamie peacock
Because...
00:53:07
jamie peacock
and So the collar chuck on there fine. I've remade the nose. I get it back tomorrow, I think, from Heat Treats. So that that's fine. Collar chuck is sorted. It's the manual, like just a manual three-jaw chuck that I need to adapt.
00:53:17
Curt
Oh, right, right, right.
00:53:18
jamie peacock
So, yeah, that's the that's the tricky bit.
00:53:18
Curt
Okay. um
00:53:20
jamie peacock
Although this machine has got very similar travels to ah to Bertha, but it's much smaller.
00:53:27
Curt
Hmm. but That's nice.
00:53:27
jamie peacock
Like pretty much the same X and pretty much the same Z. It's kind of cool. um Also, I think I know why they thought the parameters were gone on the drive on the Finuc system.
00:53:39
Curt
What is that?
00:53:40
jamie peacock
So I opened, I was fixing or rewiring the limit switches and stuff. So I had the limit switch off of the X axis. Because when i spoke to the I was like, no, they tried to home the machine and it just rammed into the one end stop.
00:53:53
jamie peacock
So was like, oh, okay.
00:53:54
Curt
Okay. Oh.
00:53:55
jamie peacock
um So I had the limit switch. I opened the limit switch to check the condition, like clean it a little bit. so um Put the multimeter. And I'm like, click, click. Okay, beep. It's beeping.
00:54:07
jamie peacock
That's not where the wires were. The wires were across the middle terminals. Middle terminals are bridged. So I think somebody worked on it. and put the wires back in the wrong place. So it was seeing it was seeing that the limits which wasn't pressed, the homes which wasn't pressed, and just fucking ramming.
00:54:25
Curt
Right.
00:54:25
jamie peacock
So I think that might have been all that was actually wrong with the machine.
00:54:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:29
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:30
jamie peacock
But good, good luck tracing that down.
00:54:31
Curt
How? Yeah.
00:54:32
jamie peacock
Like,
00:54:33
Curt
Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:34
jamie peacock
Yeah, but yeah, I happened upon it when I was unfucking the machine.
00:54:34
Curt
You happened upon it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:38
jamie peacock
But yeah, the Finuk stuff arrived today, got paid for it on Thursday.
Workshop Organization and Inventory Management
00:54:43
jamie peacock
So that shipped out on Friday and got myself like $500 for the whole Finuk control system.
00:54:49
Curt
Sick. That's awesome.
00:54:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, recouped a quarter of the cost of the machine from selling off the stuff.
00:54:52
Curt
Yeah, ah you probably made somebody very happy that needed it. Yeah.
00:54:56
jamie peacock
Well, the guy's like, he's got a couple of customers who have this, he'll sell it on to them. I'm like, sweet. He was all these like, yo, he doesn't know if it's working or not. i'm like, dude, It's $500. Roll the dice. I know what these parts are worth.
00:55:07
Curt
Yeah, totally.
00:55:07
jamie peacock
The machine was powered on and working.
00:55:08
Curt
Yep.
00:55:09
jamie peacock
Just not homing.
00:55:10
Curt
Yep.
00:55:11
jamie peacock
and Like, just fucking roll the dice. And yeah, eventually, bit the bulletin. Sold it. Well, bought the stuff. So yeah, that's now gone. ah now i have space in my entrance hall. Kind of. I still have a workbench in my entrance hall.
00:55:23
jamie peacock
Then I need to cut shorter to go into my packaging room. But ah just I just haven't been bothered to do that. I need to actually do it because it's in the middle of my entrance hall.
00:55:33
Curt
Yeah. Oh, boy.
00:55:34
jamie peacock
Although it being there annoys my mother-in-law, so might just leave it there for a bit longer.
00:55:39
jamie peacock
Not petty at all.
00:55:41
Curt
No, exactly. Yeah.
00:55:43
jamie peacock
No, at all. But yeah, I need sort of my packing room because I assemble re-rollers up here, and I kind of want to put limbins on the wall downstairs, all their pieces, that when it comes, when like, okay, can we get a batch of re-rollers to assemble?
00:55:56
jamie peacock
Do I have all the fasteners I need? Yes or no? Can look and just know that I've got everything I need to assemble, because every time I go to assemble, I'm short something. which is really annoying. Because yeah the I was chatting with my customer, he's like, he'll order 10 of them and then eight will sit on the shelf for like six or seven months.
00:56:13
jamie peacock
And then all of a sudden in one weekend, eight of them will be gone and he'll be out of stock.
00:56:17
Curt
Yeah,
00:56:18
jamie peacock
It's like, yeah. So I'm pushing him for another, he's ordered another five. I'm like, make 10, don't fuck around. I'm going to make 10 of everything anyway when I run parts.
00:56:25
Curt
yeah.
00:56:27
jamie peacock
Because I'm set up, I just run the extra parts, put them on the shelf. Because I know they will sell. But yeah, was there over the weekend.
00:56:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:34
jamie peacock
I got a bunch of custom mag bases to do for them. And gauges and stuff. Double Alpha used to have an aluminum gauge. And then they went to 3D printed carbon filled plastic as their gauge. And he's like, no, it's shit. He wants aluminum ones.
00:56:49
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:56:50
jamie peacock
It's literally just a gauge to make sure your magazine isn't too long.
00:56:50
Curt
Fair, fair.
00:56:53
jamie peacock
because there's a standard magazine length for the different divisions like random random shit anyway so what have you been goggling
00:57:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:03
Curt
Cool. Well.
00:57:07
Curt
I think we've been goggling some of the same same stuff.
00:57:12
jamie peacock
yes by the looks of it yeah
00:57:12
Curt
so ah nice Yeah, which is kind of hilarious. We didn't plan it. um ah So I was goggling a speed test because i was i just I kind of forgot when I had some of the my network here changed over.
00:57:29
Curt
just... ah services whatever they could lower my bill anyways i forgot that they upped me um to a different speed um and i was just i was perusing steam and i came across a good steam sale so i bought a game and then just hit download and just also noticed i'm like whoa like i was at like a gigabit per second download and i was like that is i'm like oh right i forgot it and then i just yeah it just made me remember that we live in the future like i wouldn't i'd put well i would
00:57:34
jamie peacock
yeah
00:57:37
jamie peacock
ah
00:57:45
jamie peacock
yeah
00:57:54
jamie peacock
we 100% live in the future. There was something I wanted to tell you that I was like, no, we live in the future because you always say that. And there was something i was doing this week. I'm like, we live in the future. But I can't remember what it was now.
00:58:06
Curt
We forget, like I remember sitting on my old laptop, 28.8K modem, downloading a song, we'll say, but and just waiting, watching the the percentage.
00:58:13
jamie peacock
Yes, sure.
00:58:17
Curt
You're like, okay, this is going to take another 42 minutes and it's an 8 meg file or whatever. And you're just like, okay, well, we can wait it out.
00:58:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, dude.
00:58:24
Curt
And like now it's like 50 gigs in minutes. You're like, that is bonkers.
00:58:28
jamie peacock
It's insane.
00:58:29
Curt
So, yeah.
00:58:29
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, it's absolutely silly. I remember using my cell phone as a hotspot to download stuff, like, because we didn't have internet on our PCs, because we had three network, like Pentium 3s that we used to LAN on, and then we had, my mom had her computer that and had internet.
00:58:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:47
jamie peacock
So then, like, there, I'd go sit there and read Instructables, which was, I forget about Instructables every now and again.
00:58:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:53
jamie peacock
ah you Oh, by the way, your guy's podcast was really good.
00:58:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:56
jamie peacock
I listened to it twice.
00:58:57
Curt
Oh, thanks, dude. Thank you. Yeah, that was a lot of fun to chat with Dylan.
00:58:58
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, dude, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
00:59:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, listened to it, saw it on YouTube first, I listened to it there, and then it came up on my Spotify, and I was busy, and I played, I'm like, hey, fuck it, this is actually really enjoyable the second time.
00:59:01
Curt
Thanks, man.
00:59:01
Curt
was fun.
00:59:09
Curt
Oh, cool. I appreciate it. Yeah.
00:59:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I thoroughly enjoyed it, yeah.
00:59:11
Curt
Oh, likewise. Hearing each other's backstories is fun. I don't know.
00:59:15
jamie peacock
It is, it really is.
00:59:15
Curt
It's interesting.
00:59:16
jamie peacock
I think, yeah, I think we need to arrange a guest that we can arrest for their backstory, which, yes, which we have been chatting about offline, so we'll leave that for surprise.
00:59:21
Curt
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
00:59:25
jamie peacock
Uh, I'm kind of curious as to what is a Sabatrooper.
Tech and Internet Upgrades
00:59:30
Curt
Oh, yeah. Okay. okay um So Cyber Troopers Virtual On, like kind of a niche video game. But in the past, that was my, like when I went, there was a video game or arcade by my house called Wizard's Castle. And I would go there like on some lunch hours and I would play this Cyber Troopers Virtual On. it's a It's like a mech fighting game.
00:59:46
Curt
like my favorite arcade game. If I come across a cabinet, I will buy it. I almost don't care how much it is. I will buy it because I won.
00:59:51
jamie peacock
yeah
00:59:52
Curt
It's so bad. Anyways, I have the emulator on my little um Raspberry or the Retroid.
00:59:56
jamie peacock
You're retro idea.
00:59:56
Curt
So I've been pissed around with that. It's just a lot of fun. So yeah, I've just been... i Googled that because I couldn't figure out some of the controls and because they were a dual stick game.
01:00:03
jamie peacock
Oh, okay.
01:00:04
Curt
So i'm trying to remap it to... Anyways, I'm looking up some NVIDIA broadcast stuff.
01:00:08
jamie peacock
Oh, God, no!
01:00:10
Curt
Oh, I forgot to turn it on. I can turn it on so that my eyes always look at you, and it is the most terrifying thing that I have ever seen.
01:00:15
jamie peacock
Oh, no!
01:00:18
Curt
It changes my eyes to like green, and it looks ah it just looks like a demon has possessed me in the creepiest way possible.
01:00:18
jamie peacock
oh no
01:00:24
Curt
And it also looks like I want to jump your bones. It is the...
01:00:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:28
Curt
horrible horrible do not yeah cannot uh cannot say it's a good thing but also lets me do fun ai backgrounds anyways i'm just pissed around with that while waiting for this uh the surge protector or the surge things and then uh uh revapoint the 3d scanner company reached out to me to be an influencer so i've been i've been chatting with them seeing what i they look like they got some pretty cool units so see where that goes yeah how about you
01:00:31
jamie peacock
OK.
01:00:38
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
01:00:43
jamie peacock
OK. Yeah. See you get yourself a free one. um Yeah, I was Googling speed test because upgraded my fiber yesterday, and it's now slower.
01:00:58
Curt
Ooh. o
01:01:00
jamie peacock
It's great. so um
01:01:01
Curt
proper
01:01:01
jamie peacock
The up speed is faster, but the down speed is slower, so i need to shout at them. There's a new episode of South Park coming out on the 29th. um the last episode was also just a freaking total banger been googling the Retroid 5 because the RG557 is no longer in stock locally googling for Nook encoders because I wanted to know what signals to expect and then EMI filters because I was looking for alternatives from where I bought them But yeah, anyway, we've got them from Mantec and yeah, it's fine. You just buy shit from there. When you want proper like electronic stuff, you buy from Mantec.
01:01:37
jamie peacock
But what you do is you buy online and you have them, no Kurt, no, turn it off.
01:01:42
Curt
You like my eyes?
01:01:42
jamie peacock
ah
01:01:43
Curt
wow.
01:01:44
jamie peacock
It's creepy as hell. ah You have Mantec deliver it and it takes two or three days and it's literally quicker than going there in person. Like they are incredibly, they like their service is fucking shit.
01:01:52
Curt
ah wow
01:01:56
jamie peacock
So I sent Danica. Because loving husband.
01:01:58
Curt
Fair.
01:01:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, make her do the things. But yeah, anyway, that's what's in the goggle box.
01:02:02
Curt
Oh, boy.
01:02:03
jamie peacock
So what are you up to now other than using your creepy ARRs?
01:02:04
Curt
Cool.
01:02:07
Curt
Well, I can also change the background to like this lovely pink couch.
01:02:09
jamie peacock
Oh, fancy.
01:02:12
Curt
Or ah we can be business people.
01:02:12
jamie peacock
Is that being accelerated? very businessy. Is that being accelerated or processed on your graphics card?
01:02:18
Curt
I believe so, yeah. Yeah, it's directly to the card, so it's pretty quick.
01:02:19
jamie peacock
Okay. Okay.
01:02:21
Curt
But it's just like, why why would I want this?
01:02:22
jamie peacock
Yeah, we've got, we have some PC things to discuss in the after show.
01:02:27
Curt
Ooh.
01:02:28
jamie peacock
We need to make an after show section here.
01:02:30
Curt
Yeah, we should do that because then we always get totally sidetracked and start ranting about whatever.
01:02:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:02:35
Curt
um
01:02:36
jamie peacock
Yep, that's exactly what's going to happen this week too.
Creative Production Activities
01:02:39
jamie peacock
um So yeah, what are you, ah where can people find your stuff?
01:02:39
Curt
Nice.
01:02:40
Curt
Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. ConfoundedMachine.com. I know I've recently got quite a few emails, people asking about um A, when pen sales are coming out. I'm doing a big drop right before Halloween here. So this week, by the time you're listening to this, probably, I don't know, like a Wednesday-ish, I'll have an email going out. I'm going to do big lotto sale. And then I'm shooting to reopen lotteries right around the new year. I think I'll have the list pared back down enough where I can open it again.
01:03:10
Curt
So, yeah, but that's, that's, uh, but yeah, right now, can find machine.com. How about you? How are you, Mr. Jamie? Where can people find your cool things?
01:03:15
jamie peacock
You can find my cool things at jspickeng.com. You can find the Frame Lock utility knife, the fancy t-shirts, and the Anchor Point.
01:03:27
jamie peacock
um Yeah, Anchor Point. I've been running ads on Instagram, so if you see one, good go check it out. Maybe you'll be interested in getting yourself a cost-effective zero-point system. um You can also find me at jspec underscore engineering on Instagram, where you can follow the day-to-day happenings of the shop.
01:03:45
jamie peacock
And you can find the podcast at theloanemachinists.com, where there's some bonus content, a link to the Loan Machinist-related swag and merch, and a link to the Patreon, I believe.
01:03:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, so what are you up to today, Kurt? I see you busy trying to fix my my documents.
01:04:04
Curt
It's my OCD, OCD kicking in.
01:04:05
jamie peacock
Yeah, don't worry.
01:04:06
Curt
i was just like, Oh, you're better.
01:04:06
jamie peacock
I had to speak. I was hoping you would take longer.
01:04:10
Curt
You're better at it than I am.
01:04:10
jamie peacock
There we go. I'm a professional-ish.
01:04:11
Curt
Um,
01:04:14
jamie peacock
Ah, fuck.
01:04:16
Curt
um ah ah of Today, ah all production is done now, which is lovely. So now it's just final fit up and cleaning and packaging and all that jazz. And I think I'm going to roll the dice on the CUSMA and hope the border upholds it and ship all my products without pre-charging people the like 35 or 45 or 105, wherever the percentage is for tariffs these days.
01:04:37
jamie peacock
whatever random
01:04:38
Curt
whatever yeah whatever numbers show up on the dice the morning he rolls them um so anyways i think i'll take a chance on that because it should all clear all my tests have cleared so worse come to worse i go to finalize the shipping and it tells me that it's not right and i can reach out to the customers crazy annoying but i don't think that'll be the problem so anyways that's what i'm doing this week just final finishing um ah but how about you how about you other than sleeping
01:05:00
jamie peacock
um tomorrow morning early morning chatting to john and then i need to uh While I'm chatting to them, I'm going to be machining a piece tool steel, and then I need to start decommissioning and cleaning and prepping for Thursday because that's going to come quickly.
01:05:13
Curt
Ooh, right, right, right, yeah.
01:05:15
jamie peacock
So I want to get that those parts done in the morning, try get out to ACDC, which is our electronic or electrical store, buy some earthing wire, and yeah um there yeah.
01:05:22
Curt
Heh, sick. Heh heh heh heh.
01:05:26
jamie peacock
There's a bunch of odds and ends I need to finish up the wiring on Spinderella. So I've got the list. like I need to go buy some... 0.75 wire for running all the power to the like million VFDs all that kind of shit I just need to go and pick up the odds and ends so that I can climb in and get that done because I would really like that machine to at least be moving in X and Z before it moves into the garage but if not if yeah I know it's going to do it like I know how much force those motors have because I overpowered one of them ah it'll be fine it'll definitely be fine and if it isn't I'll turn the power up until it is fine
01:05:50
Curt
Yeah, cut down the stress a bit, yeah.
01:06:00
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:03
jamie peacock
um No, like the machine moves pretty freely. It could do with some lube. So I actually put whey oil on the whey's and just ran the bed back and forth by hand to just get a bit of oil in there. But yeah, that's my plan for tomorrow.
01:06:14
jamie peacock
And then, yeah.
01:06:14
Curt
Cool.
01:06:16
jamie peacock
Anyway, thank you everybody for listening. We will see you next week. Same time-ish. Actually, no. Yeah, same time because Danica schedules it. but Yeah, we'll see you guys next week.
01:06:29
jamie peacock
And yeah, have a good one.
01:06:32
Curt
Take care, all.