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SIPA Paranormal Chronicles S1E2 - So, You want to find a Ghost? postproduction
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Welcome to Episode two of S.I.P.A. Paranormal Chronicles,
In this episode we discuss all the basics in regard to Ghost Hunting and Paranormal Investigating,
It's not all about gadgets will bells and whistles
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Transcript
Introduction and Humor
00:00:02
Lee Hatfield
Good day, everybody. I won't say good morning because I never know when you're going to listen to it or good afternoon. So hello and welcome to episode two of Super Paranormal Chronicles.
00:00:14
Lee Hatfield
I'm your host, Lee, and joining me once more is the I'm having a blonde moment, Megan, and I don't know what I don't know what day it is, Joe.
00:00:14
Megan andersonc
Oh.
00:00:23
Megan andersonc
Hi.
00:00:28
Jo
hello
00:00:28
Lee Hatfield
You will get you will get to know these two and trust me, They are both hard work in their own right.
00:00:36
Jo
Hello Just shake my hand in that Five more inches.
00:00:36
Lee Hatfield
So, since since last time we spoke, have you done any more snow clearing, Joe?
00:00:44
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, that's just from reports though.
00:00:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:47
Jo
I can't wait to do the driveway
00:00:48
Lee Hatfield
reach Yeah, well, some of us that have private jets. I had to do my own runway this morning. I was very disappointed.
00:00:57
Jo
Oh, poor you in Faith Hill.
00:00:58
Lee Hatfield
All my private staff. Okay, guys.
Paranormal Investigation Introduction
00:01:03
Lee Hatfield
Yes. see see is she Is she still alive?
00:01:04
Jo
She's still popular, right? Faith Hill. She's still a musician, I think.
00:01:11
Jo
Tim McGraw. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
00:01:12
Megan andersonc
I think so.
00:01:13
Jo
Yeah. All right. You and Faith Hill have one.
00:01:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. Megan's got no idea who you're talking about.
00:01:19
Megan andersonc
Yes, I do. I know who they They're country singers.
00:01:23
Lee Hatfield
Who are they, mate?
00:01:26
Jo
Oh, there you go.
00:01:26
Megan andersonc
They're a husband and wife.
00:01:27
Jo
See?
00:01:28
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah. See, you stop me as soon as you said country. It's like, meow.
00:01:33
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:01:36
Lee Hatfield
Something like that. Yep. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. No the country. Okay.
00:01:40
Jo
hello
00:01:40
Megan andersonc
Nope, yep.
00:01:41
Lee Hatfield
Shall we stop talking about country music? Because that's not what we're here for.
00:01:45
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:01:45
Jo
The ghost of Johnny Cash.
00:01:46
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah. Yeah.
00:01:47
Megan andersonc
Yeah. There you go. Make it country.
00:01:51
Lee Hatfield
Can we have a bit of decorum, please? Thank you. So, episode two. So, you want to find a ghost. If you're interested in the paranormal, if you're not part of an investigation team or you don't know if one exists, there are ways that you can go on investigations. So there are places and companies that hold either ghost walks or ghost talks and some places do do public investigations. And what that means is you can turn up at a location, you pay your money and
00:02:28
Lee Hatfield
they will have a selection of gadgets that you can play with. They will have cameras. They will have audio devices. They will have REM pods, which we'll talk about equipment later. They will have all different gadgets that you can use and play with just to get the feel as if you want to be involved in a group. So, what?
Personal Journeys into Paranormal Investigations
00:02:56
Lee Hatfield
Megan, you're part of a group.
00:02:58
Megan andersonc
Yes, I am.
00:02:59
Lee Hatfield
How did you first get involved with a paranormal investigation group?
00:03:06
Megan andersonc
Honestly, I saw on Facebook like an event happening to join a public investigation.
00:03:12
Lee Hatfield
the
00:03:12
Megan andersonc
So me and my best friend decided to buy tickets. And we went and we joined. And we had so much fun. and We got to meet the team that we were asked to join the team.
00:03:23
Megan andersonc
And we were with the team for about a year. And then we decided to make our own team and we, I was with them for about a year and now I've joined your team.
00:03:35
Megan andersonc
And yeah, we basically now I'm like two years in with the team.
00:03:40
Lee Hatfield
and
00:03:41
Jo
Mm.
00:03:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah and funnily enough that's exactly the same for myself because ah as a Valentine's Day present last year
00:03:49
Megan andersonc
Oh.
00:03:49
Lee Hatfield
the wife decided to send me by myself to an investigation. Well, yeah an investigation haunted what kind of thing?
00:03:59
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:03:59
Lee Hatfield
And I actually met up with the two guys that we then then created SIPA. So a year ago, this weekend is when we did the went on the investigation. They bought a couple of gadgets. I was looking for somebody or something to get involved in. Started asking them questions about what gadgets they bought. And a couple of weeks later, we met up in a pub.
00:04:29
Lee Hatfield
And we decided to join forces get together because we'd all got the same amount of of enthusiasm That's one thing that you need tons of you need enthusiasm.
00:04:37
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
Realities of Paranormal Investigations
00:04:39
Jo
Yes.
00:04:39
Lee Hatfield
This is not just a hobby or You know a pastime that you can do on a whim it costs it can cost a lot of money and If you are going to be recording either audio or video, it's not just recording it on the night.
00:04:58
Lee Hatfield
You've got a lot of reviewing to do. You've got to oh you've got to audit there the the audio and the video in real time.
00:05:09
Lee Hatfield
So if you've recorded five hours of video, you're going to have to sit through that five hours of video again.
00:05:16
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:05:18
Lee Hatfield
So there's a lot of dedication. but yeah You need to have a lot, lot, lot of enthusiasm. yeah Otherwise, you're just going to get bored really quickly.
00:05:27
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:05:31
Lee Hatfield
and yeah That kind of brings me on to my first point. If you're going to be a paranormal investigator, you you really do need to be prepared to be bored because it's not all like what you see on TV.
00:05:43
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:05:47
Lee Hatfield
yeah People don't get possessed every week on these investigations. yeah And unfortunately, yeah some of the TV shows do portray what we do with loud bangs, things being thrown, voices coming out of every closet, every cupboard, where in reality, you're sat in a dark room, you've got your camera, you've got your audio device, and you're pretty much talking to yourself.
00:06:17
Lee Hatfield
Joe, have you ever been in that situation where you've been in a dark room talking to yourself and I don't mean you're a hospital ward?
00:06:23
Jo
Oh, not my award. Of course. You described a investigation pretty well. It is a lot of thank God I'm an only child because you're kind of like used to supplying your own entertainment for hours on end.
00:06:39
Jo
And it is a bit isolating at times. It's a bit lonely at times, even with a team there, because they're not on the same location. And afterwards, every minute that passes by in real time you're recording, you know that's another minute you have to then review.
00:06:56
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:06:57
Jo
And that's where the fun starts.
00:06:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and i I think a lot of people don't realize how much work behind the scenes you have to do.
00:07:06
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:07:08
Lee Hatfield
Like, we've still got reviewing to be done from investigations that we did six months ago, because you start doing the reviewing, then you go on another investigation, then you have to download all the stuff that you've recorded.
00:07:24
Lee Hatfield
And then if you think you found someone exciting at that investigation, you concentrate on that one, then you go on another investigation and so on and so on and so on. And it's a never ending story. And you really have got to know what you're doing. Because like I said in the previous episode, there's a lot of people that think they've seen or experienced something when it's not actually the paranormal.
Equipment for Paranormal Investigations
00:07:52
Lee Hatfield
ah yeah And if you're going to go on an investigation, the absolute basics I think you need are a video camera of some description, an audio device, a flashlight, notebook and pen. And that's pretty much all you need to start with. You can go out and buy all this equipment that we'll talk about in another episode and you can spend thousands and thousands.
00:08:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:21
Lee Hatfield
But a lot of it, if it's got the word ghost and hunter in the title, you can probably guarantee that extra dollars have been put on top of that to let people go out and buy stuff that you could probably make if a you were somewhat technically minded.
00:08:40
Jo
the branding of it all.
00:08:42
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, exactly.
00:08:43
Jo
Right.
00:08:44
Lee Hatfield
So yeah you don't need anything that's really like top of the range, you don't need anything that's like got all the bells and whistles. It is basically a video recorder that potentially has IR because otherwise you can't really film in the dark.
00:09:05
Lee Hatfield
A basic audio device, and the audio devices are really good nowadays. You can buy them on certain shopping sites that we won't mention ah for like 30, $40, and they are really good quality.
00:09:17
Lee Hatfield
And obviously, if you're going to be walking about in the dark, you need a good flashlight.
00:09:18
Jo
Right.
Experiences and Skepticism
00:09:23
Lee Hatfield
I remember doing an investigation last year where we was at a mill and there was a little hut about ah two a couple of minute walk away from the main mill, so we sent Megan off by herself to sit in this little hut.
00:09:36
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:09:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, how long were you there for?
00:09:42
Megan andersonc
10 minutes, I wanna say.
00:09:44
Lee Hatfield
10 minutes, so such a wuss. Most people, oh yeah, I spent 10.
00:09:49
Megan andersonc
It was cool when I'm doing the live and people were like, did you hear that voice? And I'm like, no, but now I'm scared there's someone else here.
00:09:57
Lee Hatfield
And it was. It was from the from the road to the mill.
00:10:00
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:10:03
Lee Hatfield
It's about a five minute drive.
00:10:05
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:10:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, you had to do it in your car because it would have taken far too long to actually.
00:10:09
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:10:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And then the hot was off to the right. And that was like a two minute walk from the mill.
00:10:14
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:10:15
Lee Hatfield
And it was like in the woods, it was dark.
00:10:15
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:10:17
Lee Hatfield
There were animal noises. There was a little river like going by the side of it.
00:10:19
Megan andersonc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:24
Lee Hatfield
And it was like it was spooky with a capital S.
00:10:25
Megan andersonc
um So creepy.
00:10:29
Lee Hatfield
So that's why we sent Megan into that little hot by herself.
00:10:32
Jo
Wait, wait, wait. You sent someone by themselves. He just said, don't do this alone.
00:10:35
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:10:38
Jo
First thing. And so he sent Megan by herself into the hut of doom.
00:10:42
Lee Hatfield
what we wait We were a couple of minutes away.
00:10:43
Jo
We're not sure why it's called a hut of doom.
00:10:47
Lee Hatfield
It wasn't like, Megan, go to that house by yourself and we're going home for a coffee.
00:10:47
Jo
hu
00:10:52
Megan andersonc
So if I screamed loud enough, they could hear me to come running.
00:10:55
Megan andersonc
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
00:10:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:55
Lee Hatfield
yeah ah she scream me Yeah, if loud, we'd go, oh.
00:10:56
Jo
They know when to run away.
00:10:59
Megan andersonc
And technically, I was on a live stream and people that were in one of the buildings were watching the live stream.
00:11:05
Lee Hatfield
seven
00:11:06
Megan andersonc
So they would have saw in real time if a bear ate me or something. so
00:11:11
Jo
Yeah, but they were two minutes away. they're Exactly. The bear's going to eat you in the two minutes.
00:11:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, but yeah, yeah you as long as you start CPR within the first three minutes, you're okay.
00:11:16
Megan andersonc
I would have been screwed.
00:11:21
Lee Hatfield
So don't worry about that.
00:11:22
Jo
For the bear?
00:11:23
Lee Hatfield
No, for the human.
00:11:25
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:11:25
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so one thing that you need to be, as a paranormal investigator, you need to be somewhat skeptical. I think everybody would agree with that.
00:11:38
Lee Hatfield
Because there's as I said in the previous episode, there's some things that are that are natural that people can mistake for being paranormal.
00:11:46
Jo
Right.
00:11:48
Lee Hatfield
So as long as you've got a skeptical mind, I think you yeah and you you're actually rational about it. yeah Okay, could that be this?
00:12:00
Lee Hatfield
Could it be that? And you need to go through your rational thinking before you even think that it's paranormal. OK, if you're in a nice little room by yourself in the middle of a woods and you know that the closest person is five minutes away and you hear whispers and you look outside and you don't see anybody, yeah you've got to be logical about it.
00:12:27
Lee Hatfield
yeah Once you've checked that area, is there anybody around me?
00:12:27
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:12:30
Lee Hatfield
No, there isn't. then you've got to think, okay, what can that be? So you've got to have a certain amount of skepticism built in when you go on any investigation. You've got to use common sense.
00:12:48
Lee Hatfield
yeah It's not as common as what people think nowadays, but being a paranormal investigator, yeah rational, sceptic to a certain extent, and you've got to have common sense.
00:12:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:00
Lee Hatfield
Common sense, even the same are words now. So one thing that people think is imperative is to have somebody who is skilled in communicating with the past life.
00:13:15
Lee Hatfield
So a medium. is one really necessary to do an investigation. A lot of people are sceptic on mediums anyway, but if you've got information that the medium does not know about and that medium mentions that particular word or a particular name in her communication then there's got to be some point where you actually go, well, this curt person could be telling the truth. And I'm not saying that there aren't real mediums out there, there are. some of but Some of them have got really good reputations. But you've got to be rational about these things. Most of these locations, a lot of them, unless it's a private home, can be
00:14:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, in the public domain. So you've got to be careful about what information you provide to a medium prior to the event. In an ideal world, if you can bring a medium to an event,
00:14:30
Lee Hatfield
that has no indication of where they're being brought to, yeah blindfold them if you wish if you wish, so they don't know where they are, and then let them do a reading.
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
And I think then you're going to get more positive information and more positive outcomes.
00:14:48
Jo
Right?
00:14:49
Lee Hatfield
Thoughts?
00:14:52
Jo
Oh, I've got poor experiences with mediums. So I'm not exactly the one to ask on this one. It's the histronics of it all. It turned me off the first couple of times. We used to have one for Montreal. We used to have two in Montreal and I'm pretty sure they're just BS. Like the ones we use, I'm not saying mediumship in general. The ones we use were just like, no.
00:15:15
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:15:19
Megan andersonc
I guess I'm the same way. I haven't really been around many of them, but I've heard so stories of like people, clients talking to me about it and some of the stuff that they can say.
00:15:24
Lee Hatfield
what
00:15:30
Megan andersonc
And it's like, how would they know that? I do believe there is some truth to some of them, like not saying all, but I do feel like some people aren't always like, i I also feel like too, they're, there's so much negative around them.
00:15:34
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:15:42
Megan andersonc
I always feel like they're looking for bad things. I do see that in a way, but. Um, yeah, I'm probably not the best.
00:15:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and I think that's that's the problem, yeah. but That's the problem. There's a lot of negativity.
00:15:54
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:15:54
Jo
Right.
00:15:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah But unfortunately, in this day and age, there are people that are in it for the wrong reasons.
00:16:00
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:16:00
Lee Hatfield
If you're in it for the genuine reasons, and if you if you have a medium that
00:16:02
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:16:07
Lee Hatfield
does come out with positive information that you know down well that there's no way that she could have found that online or he could have found that online, then that's going to be more reassuring to the investigation.
00:16:16
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:16:20
Lee Hatfield
So that also brings in the point that you need to have an open mind about everything that you encounter in investigation.
00:16:25
Jo
Yep.
Scientific Approach and Skepticism
00:16:30
Lee Hatfield
Just because you hear a noise does not mean it's of a paranormal nature. So a perfect example at the same location, I believe it was the same night when Megan was thrown into the woods by herself. I was in a different part of the yeah property and I walked into a kitchen. I'd come down some stairs, I turned left and I walked into a dining room rather than a kitchen. And all there was was a table and some chairs. As I walked past between the chair and the table,
00:17:06
Lee Hatfield
I heard that can only be described and I've got the evidence as a kind of noise. I look like someone was trying to get my attention. And I believe I've sent you that audio as well, Joe, so you know what what audio I'm talking about.
00:17:19
Jo
Yeah. ah
00:17:22
Lee Hatfield
And it's all on video and I've got ah I was wearing a body cam. And I stopped dead. I looked immediately round and there was nobody there trying to get my attention. Nobody would have been made that noise to get my attention because they would have called out my name for a start. So I'm kind of looking around. I can't see any reason for that noise.
00:17:47
Lee Hatfield
I try and replicate the noise by brushing past the table, brushing past the chairs. I cannot replicate that noise. And I spoke to a friend of mine who's got a doo-doo deals with audio and ah video professionally. And when it came back to me, they confirmed that the audio wasn't tampered with, the video wasn't tampered with,
00:18:16
Lee Hatfield
yeah it was just one of those they called it a good catch because you cannot describe what it was you cannot explain what it was there's no rational explanation of what it was it wasn't a vehicle it wasn't like footwear squeaking or anything like that it just sounded like it was a human trying to get my attention by going and like I say I know you've you've watched that video and you've
00:18:34
Jo
no No.
00:18:45
Lee Hatfield
Listen to the audio, Joe. So yeah can you really give an explanation of what that was?
00:18:52
Jo
I believe that was, was it the first one you sent me? Was it the first batch?
00:18:54
Lee Hatfield
i Here's the first or the second. like I think it might have been the second.
00:18:57
Jo
Okay.
00:19:00
Jo
Yeah, I broke it down from the video as well as just the audio, and it was something that made a noise print, something that did not but not look like, but you know, sonically look like your footsteps, or when are you bumped into something, it didn't look like anything that you were making yourself.
00:19:26
Jo
and it didn't even look like you're breathing, because we took a picture our picture of it. We took a little bit of a scan of ah your inhales and exhales, and it wasn't that pattern. It was something that you were actually hearing on the event itself, the psst event.
00:19:44
Jo
What it is, I don't know, what it's not, I can say it was not this, it's not that, it's not that, it's not that, it's not that, it's not that.
00:19:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah And yeah, and as a paranormal investigator,
00:19:50
Jo
Most likely not, I should say.
00:19:55
Lee Hatfield
You don't then come out and say, when you've got when you've got it back from somebody who's evaluated it, and when you've got it wasn't A, B, C, D, and E, I cannot explain what it was.
00:20:08
Lee Hatfield
You don't then immediately come out and go, right, that was a ghost.
00:20:12
Jo
right
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
Because we we don't know. We can't say that. for definiteafly We're not the experts. We try to think we are, but we're not. You can't say that was a paranormal activity. So that will always go onto the explain unexplained pile.
00:20:29
Lee Hatfield
Until we get a rational explanation, it will stay on that pile. yeah Is it a ghost? Maybe.
00:20:36
Jo
But.
00:20:36
Lee Hatfield
Can we prove it's a ghost? No.
00:20:38
Jo
No.
00:20:40
Lee Hatfield
unexplained. So that's the kind of thing that you need to have. you need to have a yeah I can rationally explain what this was. It was a smoke alarm that needs a new battery, or it was the yeah oh it was ah humming of a modem, or yeah whatever.
00:20:51
Jo
Right, the chirp.
00:20:54
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:20:59
Lee Hatfield
You can rationally explain. It was an animal outside. It was a car outside. But if you cannot explain it, don't straight away flag it as paranormal. It has to be unexplained because you cannot put your finger on it and say, yes, 100%, that was a ghost.
00:21:19
Jo
ah That's correctly even when I'm saying about the pissed. I don't think it was your boots. I don't think it was your breathing. I can't say for sure. But most likely it's not. And that's why I believe it has to be most likely. I can't say 1000% sure that's not it. It's most likely not. Which leaves the open for doubt.
00:21:49
Jo
Which is scientific. You're supposed to have doubt when you're a scientist. You're not trying to prove really. You say most likely this.
00:21:54
Lee Hatfield
exactly Yeah. So Megan, have you had anything that you can kind of put in that same kind of conversation?
00:22:05
Megan andersonc
of like what to bring to you.
00:22:06
Lee Hatfield
you know
00:22:06
Megan andersonc
know
00:22:08
Lee Hatfield
yeah so yeah have you had Have you heard an electronic voice phenomena that you can't explain?
00:22:16
Megan andersonc
Yes, we were doing an investigation at one of the jails, and we were doing a live stream. And when we all left the building, there were two voices talking the whole time. And when we got back in the room, we were like, shh, and they would stop.
00:22:35
Megan andersonc
But again, we don't know if it's paranormal.
00:22:37
Lee Hatfield
um
00:22:37
Megan andersonc
It could be the internet. It could be the wiring. It could be frequencies. It could be a phone call. But it was really cool how when we got into the room, we could we couldn't hear it because it was on live stream.
00:22:49
Megan andersonc
We only found out when we left the building, checked the live stream, and it's like a full-on conversation. Like it literally sounds like people underwater talking, but when we would, someone would walk into the room, you would hear shh and it would stop.
00:23:02
Megan andersonc
So that's why we would question like, is it a phone call? Because how would they know someone just came into the room? But of course we can't prove it. It could be from the internet, like towers.
00:23:14
Megan andersonc
It could be the old wiring in the jail. It could be many reasons why the live stream could have done it.
00:23:19
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And that's one of the reasons why nine times out of ten on an investigation, we don't take walkie talkies with us.
00:23:30
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:23:30
Lee Hatfield
because there could be misinterpretation if someone's calling you, plus the fact that some of the walkie talkies can activate some of the devices that we use.
00:23:35
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:23:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:40
Megan andersonc
yep
00:23:41
Lee Hatfield
If we if we have our cell phones with us, we insist that everyone puts their phones on airplane mode. Because that's going to take away the Internet factor, so stop any unnecessary noises and like calls coming in.
00:24:01
Lee Hatfield
ah So you've when you go on an investigation, you've got to rule out everything in the natural world that you possibly can, because you're looking for something that's not natural.
00:24:09
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:24:15
Lee Hatfield
So you've got to preempt the investigation, right? We need to make sure that the power's turned off if it's practical to turn the tap turn the power off.
00:24:27
Lee Hatfield
If you've got air conditioning going off on a regular basis, Once you hear that, once you do your review, you can take that kind of take that out of the equation because you know what it is straight away. And if you're doing a question and answer with the audio or if you're recording and you bang into something, mention that you bang into it.
00:24:53
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:24:54
Lee Hatfield
because it's going to have a time stamp. So if you hear a thud and you go, oh, that was my knee against the table, you need to rule out everything natural straight away. If somebody coughs, oh, that was Joe coughing. Somebody sneezes. You need to mention it in the audio so that when you review it, you can rule it out straight away.
00:25:17
Megan andersonc
And it's good too, when people are talking on recorders to introduce themselves, like in the room, so everybody can kind of hear their voice. Cause I know like some investigations, we didn't do that.
00:25:27
Megan andersonc
We're like, Oh my God, who's that? That's not, but it turns out it was someone else.
00:25:30
Jo
Right.
00:25:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, you've got to make sure that everybody like, you know, this is Joe, Megan and Lee.
00:25:31
Megan andersonc
So that's another thing.
00:25:35
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:25:36
Lee Hatfield
We're in the dining room. yeah if that If anybody else walks in, you need to mention that on the recording because then you can help.
00:25:41
Megan andersonc
Yes. Yeah. ye
00:25:44
Lee Hatfield
We've got another voice, but OK, somebody else walked in, but we didn't mention it. So.
00:25:49
Megan andersonc
And once you start thinking like that too, it really changes. Cause like when I first started anything weird, I'm like, Oh my God, this is a ghost. Like I want to believe it so bad. But once you start thinking like this, it kind of breaks it down.
00:26:00
Megan andersonc
Like no, okay, wait, check this, check that. So it helped me when I started investigating for sure.
00:26:04
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. So that kind of brings it on to another point of yeah some essential skills that a paranormal investigator needs to have. You need to be a really good listener. That's kind of like the be all and end all because you've got to be able to listen. A car drove past the air conditioning came on. Joe just walked into the room. You need to be able to listen to the normal sounds of a building before you can say that something is unexplained. During the summer, when you get a really hot summer, buildings will warm up and cool down. So the creaking and and cracks of a building cooling down, it's not paranormal. It's a natural phenomena
00:26:55
Lee Hatfield
of a building getting warm during the day and cooling down in the evening.
00:27:00
Lee Hatfield
One
Physical and Practical Aspects of Investigations
00:27:01
Lee Hatfield
thing that I do find is funny is, at one of my next points, a paranormal investigator needs to keep in good physical shape.
00:27:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:09
Lee Hatfield
Rounds of shape and light. about but you do a lot of You do a lot of physical walking when you're on investigation. you don't kind of You don't kind of stay still in one room.
00:27:17
Megan andersonc
Yup.
00:27:21
Lee Hatfield
if the If the room's got five bedrooms, a kitchen, a dining room, a lounge, a ba a basement, garage, you're going to be walking around in all of those. So you're definitely going to get your steps in for the day. What's the fact?
00:27:34
Lee Hatfield
You've got equipment to carry. It might not be heavy, but some people have. Yeah, bigger cameras, although you have devices that they want to take with them.
00:27:45
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, not necessarily that you have to be in good shape, but you're going to need to know that you're going to be able to carry on for the entire evening.
00:27:57
Jo
Yeah, a lot of standing too.
00:27:57
Megan andersonc
I guess it depends.
00:27:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:59
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:28:01
Lee Hatfield
Definitely a lot of standing and make sure that you bring snacks.
00:28:03
Megan andersonc
I think, I think the craziest walk I did was four kilometer walk to one of the jails we went into.
00:28:05
Jo
Yes.
00:28:06
Lee Hatfield
That's worse. no
00:28:13
Megan andersonc
And that was the craziest walk I've ever done. I'm out of shape. I'll tell you that.
00:28:21
Jo
Four kilometers.
00:28:21
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah.
00:28:22
Jo
to You walked to there?
00:28:23
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:28:23
Jo
You didn't drive there? or you
00:28:24
Megan andersonc
Yes. No, because. We went to Burwash and it's up north and you can only walk it because there's no roads and there's like a river you got to go through.
00:28:33
Jo
Oh geez.
00:28:36
Megan andersonc
He's building the road. um It was the craziest walk of my life. Like it took us three hours to get there and then we stayed overnight and then you had to do it again in the morning.
00:28:44
Jo
Oh wow.
00:28:48
Megan andersonc
So not that every investigation is going to be like that, but but you had to carry everything with you too. so
00:28:57
Lee Hatfield
crazy so yeah exactly so one of the things that that i find very useful is there's many sources online where you can do the courses on paranormal activity like for ghosts or demonology or poltergeist or how to do an effective voice recording or video tips if you can do some of these courses
00:28:57
Megan andersonc
That was a crazy experience.
00:28:57
Jo
That's why we hire interns. Let them carry it.
00:29:00
Megan andersonc
but Yeah.
00:29:23
Jo
Right.
00:29:27
Lee Hatfield
and you get a background knowledge. That definitely helps the investigation because you want you can understand more about what's happening if it may be of a paranormal nature rather than something that's natural. If you've got somebody that wants to join the paranormal team who has got a background in contracting, for example, they're going to know what a building sounds like, air conditioning, heating systems. yeah They're going to know the normal sounds of ah of a building on an everyday basis. So to get some knowledge,
00:30:06
Lee Hatfield
into your team, whether it's the online courses or it's a commercial knowledge background. I think that also helps a team understand ah building a location, a building on a much better level.
00:30:27
Jo
I think so. Also, the proper temperament. I won't mention any names, but we've we've we've all seen the ones where the people just yelling and screaming and vulgarities left and right is like, what are we doing?
00:30:38
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:30:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so if you're hot if you're going searching for a voice phenomena and you ask if there's anybody there and somebody responds, don't scream like a banshee.
00:30:53
Lee Hatfield
Like, that's what you're there for. And if you get it and the ghost is like going, hang on a minute, he asked me, is there anybody there?
00:30:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:02
Lee Hatfield
I responded and he's now screaming. It's like, what the hell?
00:31:08
Lee Hatfield
It's like, come on, guys, yeah. it's yeah you've got to be You've got to be sensible about it.
00:31:15
Jo
Yeah, it's like you came to my house and started swearing at me like, what are you doing?
00:31:15
Lee Hatfield
so
00:31:17
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:31:18
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah it' sorry
00:31:19
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:31:19
Lee Hatfield
ah yeah i'm not yeah I'm not going to do do anything for you because you're being a child.
00:31:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:26
Lee Hatfield
so Like I mentioned earlier, the basics of what you need, yeah it all depends on the budget of the individual.
00:31:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:36
Lee Hatfield
yeah a decent excuse me A decent IR camera can be between $90 and $200. Not everybody can afford it. yeah A good audio device, get a good one for like $30-40. Pen and paper, writing in notes.
00:31:58
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:31:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, there's a good flashlight, good torch is always useful. There's no worse than falling down some stairs and then realizing that you have to call somebody to come and pick you up because you broke your leg. But yeah, it's not all about the bells and whistles like I already mentioned, it's you've got to build your equipment base by what you can afford. You don't have to go out of your way and spend X amount of dollars on equipment that somebody says will pick up ghosts because the chances are it probably won't unless you know how to use it correctly.
00:32:42
Jo
Yeah. And a lot of false positives too.
00:32:45
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, exactly.
00:32:45
Jo
So the more you spend the, you know,
00:32:46
Lee Hatfield
Like I mentioned, Yeah, like I mentioned earlier, yeah some of these devices that you can get, if you press your walkie-talkie next door to the device, the device will go off.
Interacting with Spirits Respectfully
00:32:58
Jo
absolutely.
00:32:58
Lee Hatfield
look And one thing that, you mentioned the word device, some of these investigations that you do, some of the houses are extremely old. So if youre if you want a spirit to respond to you,
00:33:14
Lee Hatfield
I always find that people go go and touch that device on the floor. They're not going to know what device was because a device that word device wasn't created in the 1800s. They're not going to know what what are you talking about? So when I go on an investigation, I always like to say,
00:33:33
Lee Hatfield
yeah touch the green light or touch the box that's on the floor or touch touch the toy. I always try and dumb it down a little bit rather than using, go and touch the REM pod and the ghost sat there going like, Brian, do you know what a REM pod is?
00:33:50
Lee Hatfield
No, I don't. this guy what It wants us to go and touch a REM pod. What the hell's a REM pod?
00:33:55
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:33:56
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, you've got to you've got to make it for the time period. Don't use big words that potentially a spirit's not going to understand. One thing that I think is a really good idea is to research the location before you do the investigation.
00:34:16
Lee Hatfield
I love doing background searches on the locations.
00:34:19
Jo
Right.
00:34:20
Lee Hatfield
On a private investigation in ah in a home, it's not always easy because a house is a house is a house, unless there was something substantial on a land beforehand. But a lot of the old stately homes and buildings, you can pretty much get a lot of really good information.
00:34:37
Lee Hatfield
if you can go If you can get a family line of who lived there, you can find out if people died at the location, yeah and you can get a good family background. So I always like to to research the investigation. And even though we joked about it earlier, about Megan being sent into the woods,
00:34:55
Lee Hatfield
It's never a good area a good idea investigate alone because you yeah you see it on TV where some of these guys go into these abandoned houses.
00:35:01
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:35:06
Lee Hatfield
If they fall and break the leg or even worse, yeah if you have ah if you can't reach the communication, your cell phone or whatever, so've got yeah you could be there for days and it's not going to end in your best interests.
00:35:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:23
Jo
Yeah, I think people forget that Lee right there. They think, Oh, ah I'm not afraid of the ghost.
00:35:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:27
Jo
Sure. You're not afraid of a ghost, but that house is like 3000 years old. You're going to fall through the floor.
00:35:31
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:35:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:35:32
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:35:32
Jo
You need someone to help you out later on.
00:35:34
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And if you and that if that happens and you injure yourself, if there's somebody else there, you can get the emergency services there PDQ pretty damn quick.
00:35:34
Megan andersonc
Exactly.
00:35:34
Jo
God forbid.
00:35:44
Lee Hatfield
But if you're there by yourself, go on.
00:35:45
Megan andersonc
and not Another thing I would say too, because I know a lot of people when they, oh, I want to go investigate all places, they'll break into like abandoned homes and
00:35:54
Jo
The break-in.
00:35:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:56
Megan andersonc
Don't go in and don't do that. Like it's best to get permission also. And when you go into abandoned homes, you do take the risk. and Yeah.
00:36:05
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. yeah you've got You've got to be respectful of the living as well as the dead.
00:36:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:09
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:36:09
Lee Hatfield
So don't break into private property. In this day and age, people carrying firearms, yeah potentially you could get shot.
00:36:16
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:36:19
Jo
Then you can be the ghost.
00:36:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and yeah yeah exactly. then you then Then you can come back and haunt it.
00:36:22
Megan andersonc
You can be a part of the
00:36:22
Jo
I follow one, it's me. Yeah.
00:36:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. But when you're trying to communicate those, especially with the spirits, yeah you see a lot of it on the TV shows where they kind of get aggressive to try and antagonize the spirit.
00:36:37
Lee Hatfield
But I've always find it better that if you're respectful and you mind your manners, you tend to get more responses than if you do by antagonizing.
00:36:46
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:48
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:36:52
Lee Hatfield
And like we've already mentioned, Always, always, always rule out the logical explanations first. If you know it's air conditioning or you know it's a heater, rule out all those normal noises and yeah get used to what noises a building makes. Whether it's cooling down in the evening, electronic noises,
00:37:24
Lee Hatfield
yeah some ah Some of these heating systems are automatic. You can't turn them off. So if you know that there's a heating system that's going to spark into life every half an hour, take that into account when you're trying to communicate.
00:37:36
Jo
Right.
00:37:39
Lee Hatfield
And like I said, always be courteous towards the people that you're trying to communicate with. If you can find out the names, I always like to find out the background. So if I'm looking for a John Smith I will call him by name. That tends to get a good response rather than any negativity. So yeah, it's always good to to really get to know your ghost, find out who you're going to visit. And one thing to remember, at the end of the day, if they still roam
00:38:15
Lee Hatfield
that building along their corridor that's their home you are technically invading their home so that's another reason why to be respectful and one thing that I do find quite funny at times is on some of these TV shows people go berserk when they hear the word demon on any of the devices but logically logically thinking what we're doing
00:38:19
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:38:44
Lee Hatfield
to try and communicate with the dead, they may think is a demonic practice. it's not a case of that there's a demon in that room.
00:38:54
Jo
Yeah. Smart
00:38:55
Lee Hatfield
The spirit might be calling you a demon for doing witchcraft, trying to communicate with the bed, with the dead, not the bed. It's not bedtime yet with the dead.
00:39:06
Lee Hatfield
So yeah. So it's like, it's funny how, yeah oh, it must be a demon. Well, not necessarily. The good chance is the spirit is calling you a demon for using your gadgets and trying to speak to the dead.
Conclusion and Reminders
00:39:21
Lee Hatfield
So guys, any thoughts on wanting to investigate, wanting to find a ghost, anything we can add? Because we we've almost reached the end.
00:39:36
Jo
Meghan, do you?
00:39:36
Megan andersonc
Have fun. Have fun.
00:39:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:39
Megan andersonc
Have fun doing it.
00:39:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, have fun and bring snacks.
00:39:41
Jo
That's really it.
00:39:43
Megan andersonc
Yeah. And bring snacks.
00:39:45
Jo
Hydrate.
00:39:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:39:46
Megan andersonc
Hydrate.
00:39:46
Jo
Drinks as well.
00:39:46
Megan andersonc
Yup.
00:39:47
Jo
And a place to go to bathroom.
00:39:47
Lee Hatfield
hi
00:39:47
Megan andersonc
Yup. Yes.
00:39:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So bring snacks, hydrate,
00:39:56
Lee Hatfield
and don't, yeah. When we say find somewhere that's a bathroom, not the not the nearest tree, because, yeah, because yeah some some flashy blue lights turn up and you end up but in handcuffs. Okay, guys. Well, thank you very much for being in part of episode two.
00:40:20
Megan andersonc
Thank you for having me.
00:40:20
Lee Hatfield
Next week, we're going to actually, well, not next week, the next episode, but depending on when the next episode is, we're going to be actually talking about the pieces of equipment that we can use.
00:40:30
Jo
so
00:40:30
Lee Hatfield
So I'm going to have a few examples of pieces that we can use and pick up and try and cover up the brand names so we're not advertising.
00:40:40
Jo
Pen and paper.
00:40:40
Lee Hatfield
But yeah. Yeah. So here's my pen. Here's my paper. That's all we need.
00:40:45
Jo
Thanks,
00:40:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So again, thank you very much and I'll see you on the next episode.
00:40:50
Jo
thanks everyone. Bye.
00:40:51
Megan andersonc
Bye.
00:40:52
Lee Hatfield
Bye.