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Philip Kinsella, Psychic Medium, UFO researcher and Author.
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In this week's episode Phil and I talk about the Roswell Incident and Area 51.
We discuss the Rendlesham forest Incident in the UK, as well as Alien Abduction, Aliens examining Dentures, War of the Worlds, Unidentified submersible Objects (USO’s) and much more
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Philip Kinsella and Paranormal Interests
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Today, I am delighted to have Philip Kinsella with me. He's a psychic medium, UFO researcher and author.
00:00:25
Lee Hatfield
So welcome, Philip.
00:00:27
Philip Kinsella
Hello, Lee, and thank you very much for having me on board. It's an honour. Thank you so much.
00:00:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I know it we've been communicating quite a bit, and that's really good to have the fact that yeah both of us are on the same page or exactly when when we're going to meet up. So that's always a good thing.
00:00:42
Philip Kinsella
Yes, yeah, and I think it's interesting. I think the diverse range of subjects that we're covering, and you'll find with me and, you know, and many others, we're very grounded, very down to earth. And I think it's fascinating, not just to dealing with the UFO side of investigations, abductions.
00:01:00
Philip Kinsella
I'm also into the cryptids and psychic phenomena, consciousness, which fascinates me as well, because I do believe that there is a lot to be found within the... subject matter of consciousness and something unfortunately our system that we serve does not want to acknowledge and so certainly with varied topics and I've always wondered why that was the case and you know why why there's not and any acknowledgement of life after death or conscious survival or UFOs or indeed our genesis and certainly this point within my evolution as we call it
00:01:37
Philip Kinsella
like many others, I wanted the truth.
Fear and Societal Conditioning in Paranormal Acknowledgment
00:01:39
Philip Kinsella
I didn't want the fairy tale version. I wanted the raw details of what what we're actually dealing with and and why such subject matters have been you know condensed hour or indeed hidden.
00:01:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and I think that's, you you're right in what you say, and I think it may be due to the fact that people are scared of the unknown. They don't want to admit something's happening just in case it's true and this thing comes reality.
00:02:00
Philip Kinsella
Yeah.
00:02:05
Lee Hatfield
And I think that's probably got a lot to do with why people don't acknowledge the fact that these subjects kind of exist, so to speak.
00:02:13
Philip Kinsella
Yeah, even more harder because of the way that humanity has been conditioned, consciously conditioned and programmed. And I think that is half the problem.
The Roswell UFO Incident and Personal UFO Experiences
00:02:24
Philip Kinsella
Giving a simple example, you know, we all know of the famous Roswell, New Mexico UFO crashing in 1947. I think that's one of the most famous UFO cases of all time.
00:02:35
Philip Kinsella
And now steeped in so much controversy and, you know, legend, there's no way of differentiating between fact or fiction. But nevertheless, I myself believe something quite incredible happened there.
00:02:48
Philip Kinsella
And if the army, the Roswell army back then had admitted that they had been in possession of a flying disc as opposed to a secret mogul weather balloon so secret that they weren't even out looking for it, and must add there.
00:03:02
Philip Kinsella
then the things today would probably have been a lot different. But and this is why I think people being scared, of course, naturally, and I agree with you there, Lee, because I also believe that much of this phenomena, we're just seeing, you know, small parts of it.
00:03:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:03:21
Philip Kinsella
know, when you start investigating into varied topics, you begin to realise that there's a lot more involved and I agree with you that much of which the public will not accept or even understand for that matter.
00:03:34
Philip Kinsella
So, you know, i agree with what you're saying there most definitely.
00:03:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So I'm going to, speak well, we're going to speak more about Roswell a little bit later, but can you tell me how you first got involved with paranormal UFO research and yeah all those kinds of lines that kind of basically formed your career?
00:03:55
Philip Kinsella
Well, I had no wish to become an author of UFO books or an investigator. But what happened was that when I was young, I have an identical twin brother.
00:04:07
Philip Kinsella
My twin brother and I had been subjected to the sighting in broad daylight of what we would term a UFO with our maternal grandmother, but we didn't even consider it was a UFO back then. is in 1982. And in the and in Tatchbrook Road, Fulton in Middlesex. My grandparents lived in a big house, three-story high house. We used to spend our summer vacations there.
00:04:28
Philip Kinsella
And on a summer evening, clear summer evening, this silver all presented itself to us, right over us, which was the size of a football, and no markings on it, silver, and it hung over our grandmother's head.
00:04:43
Philip Kinsella
And, you know, positioned roughly where the second floor windows were. And we were astounded. of course, again, stating that we didn't think this was a UFO because UFOs, we understood, were much larger.
00:04:56
Philip Kinsella
But yeah, but Foo Fight has now come to mind.
00:04:57
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
00:05:00
Philip Kinsella
you know it's ah yeah and And so you know when we asked her you know what it was, she merely said, oh, look, the fairies have come to take a closer look at us.
00:05:11
Philip Kinsella
And we knew that she was covering something more. And then the object moved up higher to the third floor windows. and then went over the house. And that was the
Alien Abductions and Psychic Experiences
00:05:20
Philip Kinsella
beginning of it. And it wasn't until some years later in 1989, when we had moved to the village of Master Mortain, when I had what people would term as an abduction, an alien abduction.
00:05:35
Philip Kinsella
And it's far too long and far too winded for me to go through here. But let's just say the whole unfolding drama of that made me realise that UFOs, because I then started to take myself to the library after that event with my grandmother to try and do some research.
00:05:45
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:05:50
Philip Kinsella
were very few books on UFOs then, in the central libraries then. And most of it was about Roswell and some other bits and pieces. But it was the abduction that occurred that changed my whole concept of reality. And I then spent years trying to work out how this is possible.
00:06:07
Philip Kinsella
Was this a part of my consciousness reenacting something? Was this an alien abduction? Or was this something else? But the experiences were raw and they had left physical marks on me.
00:06:19
Philip Kinsella
And there was another researcher, Pierre Sebec, who, when I had relayed the abduction to him and he put it all together, he found similarities between what had happened and the early part of that evening with me and my brother before the onslaught of the abduction and with what happened with one of the greys, what the grey did afterwards.
00:06:41
Philip Kinsella
So I was also interested in how it was I was able to go through solid wars through the abduction.
00:06:42
Lee Hatfield
think say what is spice.
00:06:46
Philip Kinsella
And this then led me forward into theoretical dynamics in terms of theory work of what we may be dealing with. So the UFOs have played a large part of my life.
00:06:59
Philip Kinsella
The last drama, and I will say drama, unfolded with proof, little proof there, and witnesses, even from the Isles of Scilly, was on the 9th of April 2016 with the emergence of three massive circular objects which were in triangular formation, which we observed. I mean, that's been written about and examined.
00:07:19
Philip Kinsella
So the psychic department really occurred and when my maternal grandmother had passed with cancer. She actually communicated with me through here the actual time that she passed over and that led me to go and see a medium so i'm like thinking to myself well there's the guy that's had these ufo experiences and now my goodness me is talking to the dead i thought my reputation such as it it was would go down the pan i think it was for me is interesting trying to explore these uh multi-complexed phenomenas
00:07:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:54
Philip Kinsella
and also trying to bridge the gap between one to the other because I think there are there are connections to be made there. So in a nutshell, that's how I got involved with it.
00:08:02
Lee Hatfield
So having these experiences when you were younger, did you ever think to yourself that it was just, yeah, yeah I know you mentioned that there was other witnesses, but did you ever think that, you know, am I going crazy?
00:08:18
Lee Hatfield
am i Am I losing my my my sense?
00:08:19
Philip Kinsella
Oh, yes. Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, when you see something like the silver orb that, you know, they were reported back in World War II as Foo Fighters.
00:08:32
Philip Kinsella
course, that didn't even cross my mind. Although as a child, we were stunned because when you are presented with a phenomenon or rather it presents itself to you, your concept of reality changes and and you kind of like get to the point where you're thinking, well, oh is there something wrong with us? Are are we wired differently?
00:08:51
Philip Kinsella
You know, you get these conditions that most people have. will say you have the record when I had a small stroke some years ago now, and the doctor told me what I'd had, but it didn't seem to register in my head.
00:09:04
Philip Kinsella
I remember going through that process of trying to work out what that was and how how that had presented itself to me, even though there were not really that many physical you know effects to it, because people tend to think that when you've had a stroke, you know there should be some outward sign for that, but it was all in here.
00:09:24
Philip Kinsella
know So when the onslaught of the abduction happened in 1989, sure, I thought I was going mad, sure, I broke down, and sure, I had a hard time dealing with it, but I think one of with me, one of the things I wanted to discover was its reality.
00:09:37
Philip Kinsella
and what they were, where they came from, why they did what they did. I still don't have those answers. But it certainly propelled me and pushed me to looking and going further down the rabbit hole.
00:09:49
Philip Kinsella
But I will tell you, did it assist me in expanding that consciousness? Did it did it do something to me? I couldn't tell you. But all I know is that it it did me a favour in the sense that had I not had that experience back then,
00:10:02
Philip Kinsella
I would still be going around the wheel of the nine to five job and believing everything our system tells us and not questioning anything. So yes, um did think at one point that my sanity had to be questioned.
00:10:14
Philip Kinsella
And I think that that is that said for many other people, unless of course there's those people that have their love and light experiences every night of the week. Believe you me, I've met some of them.
00:10:26
Philip Kinsella
I don't buy into all of that because when the phenomena interacts with you, on a personal level of integration or conscious integration, it is overwhelming to the senses, literally.
00:10:37
Philip Kinsella
So yes, yeah.
00:10:39
Lee Hatfield
yeah because it's it's really interesting that you mentioned about the the stroke because i was a paramedic for like 12, 13 years in the UK before I came to Canada. And I went to a guy who allegedly had a epileptic seizure.
00:10:54
Philip Kinsella
Hmm.
00:10:55
Lee Hatfield
And when I'm traveling with him to the hospital, I'm just obviously taking all the or the patient details. And he went, I didn't have an epileptic seizure. And I went, well, that's what it's recorded as. He went, no, because the guy with the white hat and the top ah ah yeah the top hat and tails wasn't there.
00:11:11
Lee Hatfield
And I'm saying, excuse me.
00:11:12
Philip Kinsella
hmm
00:11:13
Lee Hatfield
He goes, yeah, whenever I have an epileptic seizure, this guy appears in front of me and tells me that I need to lay down because i I'm about to have a seizure. He goes, and he didn't appear today. So in my thoughts, I'd never had an epileptic seizure.
00:11:26
Philip Kinsella
i understand i understand what you're where you're coming from absolutely yeah
00:11:26
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, yeah. And they're like, how can I put that in my patient report form? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Research on Roswell and Area 51 Secrecy
00:11:35
Philip Kinsella
and yes yes
00:11:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah So the fact that we've got on the subject of UFOs, and I've told people time and time again that they would be extremely naive to think that we are the only people in this vast, vast, vast universe.
00:11:53
Lee Hatfield
So one of the the most iconic incidents, and we've already touched on already, is the Roswell crash. So yeah for those that don't know, New Mexico, 1947. So was it at what point with into your research did you start looking into the Roswell crash?
00:12:14
Philip Kinsella
Very early actually. I think I was still 13 and I remember going to the library and doing it on a Saturday morning and then coming back about lunchtime and doing a project on it. and i don't To some people that would seem very strange for any 13 year old today but that's exactly what I did. My twin brother came along with me and he worked on a project on computers and robots and I was doing UFO and Loch Ness Monster research.
00:12:41
Philip Kinsella
yeah Yeah, absolutely. yeah i remember I can still see the the the blue folder that I had with the lined notepaper inside and I thought I'd struck gold when I walked in there and I was reading about the Roswell case.
00:12:54
Philip Kinsella
And I think I have one of the the original books that I had, not the one from the library, but the original publication somewhere in my library of that book. And of course, i don't know why I felt propelled. And you'll find this with people who have had UFO encounters, even what we would call alien intrusions, which we're still trying to work out on a theoretical level.
00:13:16
Philip Kinsella
My speciality, although no expert, are the greys, because they were the ones that, you know, that had and had a profound effect upon me. But certainly you'll find that you have this obsession and it reminded me of the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind where one of the characters is like, you know, making the mountain out of potato mash and then makes it out of clay.
00:13:38
Philip Kinsella
I wasn't that obsessive. But the question was always there. And I think that when you are touched by this singularity, seems to be an overall effect that you know you you can't leave it alone.
00:13:51
Philip Kinsella
And I think the reason for that is that system again tells us that there are no such things as UFOs. There are no such things as aliens. And if there's any life out there, it's too far away for us to worry about.
00:14:03
Philip Kinsella
And especially coming into the subject of life after death, of course, the system that we serve prefers faith because faith has no conviction whatsoever in terms of physical proof.
00:14:15
Philip Kinsella
And also with creation, with our creation, which is interesting. that that those are the primary three areas that I've been centering my my investigations upon.
00:14:25
Philip Kinsella
And it just seems crazy, right, that you know these this phenomena is still occurring, whether or not be a near-death experience that someone has, or a UFO encounter, or indeed ah an experience with a dogman, or or a Sasquatch, or you know looking at a creation. You'll find that there is never any clarity.
00:14:45
Philip Kinsella
Never. it's always left in the balance. And a lot of researchers, good researchers and investigators such as yourself, and many, many, i'm and i'm a I'm a minority, you know, we're trying to dig and chip away at the truth of what's really going on here.
00:15:00
Philip Kinsella
But, you know, it's like trying to get through a silent war, you know, it's crazy. But it fascinates me. And I think on a personal level, The Roswell case case that I actually looked into. I think that is the same for many other ufologists, if that's what you want to call us, because it's the crowning glory of UFO research. You've got to know what the Roswell case is all about. you know
00:15:28
Lee Hatfield
that Yeah, and I totally agree. sort of like yeah If you call yourself a UFO researcher, UFOlogist, and someone mentions Roswell and you go, oh, what's that? It's sort of like, okay, that's it, you're done.
00:15:41
Philip Kinsella
Mind you, there's been a few things that i have forgotten under pressure on a radio. i think one chap asked me about, you know, D-U-M-B-S. And I like kind of like, you know, I lost it. It's like, I didn't know. i color it And then afterwards I thought, oh, you idiot.
00:15:57
Philip Kinsella
So sometimes it we can be forgiven that there's so much in here trying to sprout out. But, yeah, it happens to all of all of the best of us sometimes, you know, so.
00:16:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. but Yeah.
00:16:06
Philip Kinsella
That's
00:16:07
Lee Hatfield
I think that's the same thing as walking into the kitchen and forgetting what you go into the kitchen for. yeah
00:16:12
Philip Kinsella
It's happened to all of us. Hmm.
00:16:12
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah.
00:16:14
Lee Hatfield
So the Roswell can be closely connected because of the locality to Area 51.
00:16:22
Philip Kinsella
Yeah.
00:16:23
Lee Hatfield
So we know, know, we've seen like Independence Day when they say that there's UFOs at Area 51. What's your take on that?
00:16:33
Lee Hatfield
Do you agree with that or do you disagree?
00:16:36
Philip Kinsella
Well, there's no way of knowing. I mean, you know, if you take the evidence as it stands, which is hardly anything, it's all hearsay. And let's just put this out there right now.
00:16:46
Philip Kinsella
Every single time that, you know, we are all seemingly close to some kind of revelation, it never comes to fruition. I do believe myself personally that Area 51 perhaps houses probably very deep underground and so finely secure that no one will be able to get access to it. They have alien technology. They probably have ah hardware, if that's what we want to call it, or the magic. But, you know, it's hard to say. But I do believe that, you know, these crafts, if that's what we want to call them, these UFOs have been downed or deliberately downed by the military establishment.
00:17:24
Philip Kinsella
and That much is, I but do believe, is correct. Unless, of course, if these crafts are coming down, which, you know, is quite suspect, really.
00:17:50
Philip Kinsella
still alive for a short period of time, You know, the technology that we understand from that, and especially from, you know, people like Lieutenant Colonel Philip J. Corso, Colonel Philip J. Corso, who wrote a book, The Day After Roswell.
00:18:05
Philip Kinsella
You know, what's interesting about this, Lee, is the fact that the technology that they had salvaged was just enough for us to kind of like get our heads round on a material level, as it were.
00:18:20
Philip Kinsella
Now that to me is highly suspect unless of course the intelligences behind this wanted or laid forth this trap for us to to find this material and then start to work it out for ourselves.
00:18:35
Philip Kinsella
So, you know, one wonders whether or not these or a group of these entities have their own agenda, and especially with regards to the acceleration of our human species, which is interesting.
00:18:48
Philip Kinsella
So, you know, that that is quite suspect. know, if they are as alien as we imagine, then believe that we'll still be scratching our heads to try and work out technology involved.
00:18:58
Philip Kinsella
so you know that opens up another area of of speculation but i wonder whether or most of these entities or these beings are not assisting i don't believe that they're assisting i think they are perhaps steering us into a level of our own evolution perhaps for their own means and look what's happening now if you look at the greys they seem to be you know are not able to reproduce, they have no personality, they seem to be some kind of cloned or AI construct.
00:19:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:30
Philip Kinsella
I'm not going to go down that road with the AI construct because, you know, people argue and tell you what they are. We don't know. We do not know.
00:19:36
Lee Hatfield
ye
00:19:36
Philip Kinsella
But, and this is why my research back in 1996, from 1989, theorised about what the greys could possibly represent in terms of their genus and why they're interested in us as a species that can reproduce. But,
00:19:53
Philip Kinsella
Look at us now and our species. We have accelerated quite quickly. And we are now, know, they're talking about transhumanism and individuality.
00:20:04
Philip Kinsella
All these things that's slowly being a bit of a problem because the system that we serve knows that individually we can be dangerous.
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:20:15
Philip Kinsella
gray seem to operate as a one hive mind consciousness there are no secrets but humans harbor secrets we all do you know oh oh he's got a secret i'm not talking about that i'm saying that we all have our own minds we think differently so i think that this is the this is the sad way that the humanity is being steered forward into a mechanical construct and i believe that that also endangers the very spirit or people call it the soul of what we represent on that level.
00:20:43
Philip Kinsella
So, know, it's highly speculative, but going back to the UFO yes issue and, you know, they crash. I don't doubt the military have brought them down. Oh, you bet your bottom dollar they have.
00:20:56
Philip Kinsella
But some of them may have come down on their own, you know, whether or not they are, as Jack Vallee has stated, a gift or a trap, you know, so we don't know. But but it's it's funny that they don't seem to crash in,
00:21:10
Philip Kinsella
ah ah hugely populated areas it's always somewhere quite remote normally near a military facility or you know out in the desert somewhere where it's hard to find it's just kind of like you know that's kind of suspect in some way I mean you know we we have aircraft we have ah ah craft aircrafts that sadly god love them do come down but the pilots will do everything they can to ensure that the aircraft or whatever it is is steered away from populated areas
00:21:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Speculations on the Nature of Extraterrestrial Beings
00:21:38
Philip Kinsella
in their last attempt as they come down. But it's just highly suspect with these so-called UFOs.
00:21:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because my first kind of interest in aliens and UFOs was but I was in my late teens and I i came across ah War of the Worlds.
00:21:57
Philip Kinsella
Oh, yes.
00:21:58
Lee Hatfield
HG Wells and then the musical version.
00:21:58
Philip Kinsella
Yeah.
00:22:00
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, I've got loads and loads of copies of different versions. And it always makes me kind of smile or grimace when when you see the movies that people make into yeah about UFOs and aliens, how most of them have humanoid characteristics.
00:22:19
Lee Hatfield
It's like, we've got no idea what's out there. So how could you say that, yeah. x y and z is going to come and land on our small little planet and be in the same shape as what we are it's like it's just crazy
00:22:31
Philip Kinsella
Yes, I think that H.G. Wells was a genius. And by the way, I do love Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds with the narrator Richard Burton.
00:22:39
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:22:40
Philip Kinsella
I do have the varied versions as well, too. But let me put it this way. You know, I believe that within this system, our system, our material system, the Earth, You know, and we have bipedal, we are bipedal, and, you know, this is the way that we that we are. So it's possible that these intelligences have have infiltrated our dimension of reality by somehow adapting bodies, as it were, to integrate in this environment, if temporarily or long term, we don't know.
00:23:09
Philip Kinsella
Or we can possibly take the hypothesis that that they are actually astral projecting themselves and remote influencing ourselves from their dimension of reality that is another question that we have to ask and I've always been open to every form of speculation that you can possibly think of even if there's one that I have contributed towards in terms of the other side and of course the soul and of course the levels of incarnation reincarnation and what would happen if we as a species theoretically cloned but counselled out the spirit and which is interesting
00:23:45
Philip Kinsella
So, you know, that that's another area. And I think a lot of people, they kind of like want to contain the UFO department into a very material box.
00:23:48
Lee Hatfield
Okay, great.
00:23:55
Philip Kinsella
They're coming from, I don't doubt there aren't beings out there on other physical planets, but a lot of what we're discovering is that these beings, whatever they are, wherever they're coming from, could possibly... be interdimensional in nature because this now this then calls into question you know not only the construct of our universe and that we're still trying to work out and but in terms of space travel I'll make you laugh I sat on on on board with some noble laurets and scientists brilliant men absolutely incredible men I was very honored to be you know be on there with them too as one of the speakers
00:24:34
Philip Kinsella
And they were talking about the UFO as though they were physical craft, arguing about propulsion technology. And, you know, these men have to be commended. But i' I was smiling because I'm thinking, well, you know, such minds would have fine would have found alternative ways of getting through to us, wherever that is.
00:24:53
Philip Kinsella
So I think, you know, it's really exciting to be able to, you know, think or at least imagine where these beings come from. and You know, people say, oh, they they in in terms of the classic Betty and Barney Hill, 1961 Abduction in New Hampshire,
00:25:11
Philip Kinsella
and you know when they were abducted by grey-like entities and Kathy Marden the niece we are in touch with her she's a wonderful brilliant researcher but ask yourself this question when Betty and Barney had been abducted and both Betty and Barney had been separated when their examinations were taking place each separately they they believed that there was only one examiner on board the craft Now, one of them tried to come in and prise open Betty's mouth and take a teeth out.
00:25:44
Philip Kinsella
And they were puzzled as to how Barney's teeth came out. And Betty had to explain that he wore dentures. Now, think of this. Think of this. Think of this, right? So, Betty was also shown a star map, which the wonderful and brilliant Marjorie Fish had created from beads to try and find the star system some years later.
00:26:05
Philip Kinsella
They found the sarsis and could possibly be in Zeta Reticuli, where these greys come from. So the question is, this must have been the first time that these greys had abducted a beautiful couple and found that one of them wore dentures.
00:26:20
Philip Kinsella
And I doubt very much if they come all the way from Zeta Reticuli to single them out. For what reason? So you've we've got to ask, we have to ask the question that
00:26:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:26:31
Philip Kinsella
why it is the most bizarre nature of this reality that changes the individual but I don't believe that the visitors as as they're known are all what they appear to be I think there's a lot more behind this and and certainly for Betty and as we understand it she was excited and afterwards she you know she was very much on board with the fact that there are other people out there And so it changes individuals on their own level. Barney, for instance, couldn't deal with it.
00:27:02
Philip Kinsella
Sadly, he could not accept that. And you can understand that. So, you know, we have to look at certain cases and see the bizarre nature of what was going on. And these beings are claiming they're from here or they're from there.
00:27:15
Philip Kinsella
If you go back to the nineteen fifty s and questionable, Betty Barney Hill, absolutely, totally, I believe that happened without question. But going back into the 1950s with the Space Brothers, with certain shady characters that come forward and, you know, were connecting with the Venetians. And we were told there was life on the moon and then on other systems. And then we discovered that there weren't. And, of course, you know, that's very odd.
00:27:42
Philip Kinsella
So, you know, the question is, where are they all hanging out? We're still trying to work that one out. LAUGHTER
00:27:49
Lee Hatfield
yeah that's a that's a very good point because yeah obviously with like uh space travel yeah you can look at a black hole that's like four light years away and it will take you like over a thousand years to get there kind of thing and that kind of like
00:28:03
Philip Kinsella
you got it.
Rendlesham Forest and Underwater Alien Bases
00:28:04
Lee Hatfield
so yeah it's absolutely crazy but we can't not speak about Rendlesham Forest
00:28:05
Philip Kinsella
Yeah, you got it.
00:28:13
Philip Kinsella
Okay, yeah.
00:28:14
Lee Hatfield
yeah The UK version of Waswell.
00:28:16
Philip Kinsella
Yes.
00:28:16
Lee Hatfield
let's Let's call it that. So I believe you've done some research into that as well.
00:28:18
Philip Kinsella
Yeah.
00:28:21
Philip Kinsella
Yes, I spent 10 years researching there. And I'm no expert. But I will tell you that I believe that with each and every one of us, and when we are, you know, tainted or touched by this phenomena, there are certain levels of synchronicity.
00:28:36
Philip Kinsella
Now, what was very strange was that I remembered when I was a young lad and I had picked up the the national newspapers and it said this story about, you know, UFO, you know, crashed in Roswell.
00:28:49
Philip Kinsella
And I remember reading it thinking, wow. And then years later, finding myself in the heart of the Rendlesham mystery as it were meeting and having dinner with Colonel Charles Holt an impeccable character Lieutenant Colonel Carl Solt then of course and and with a few other of the people involved Peter Robbins a dear friend of mine brilliant UFO researcher I'm not going to get involved with the the stuff that happened with him then because you know bless him he's a very honest
00:29:20
Philip Kinsella
An impeccable character is Peter Robbins. But we met him and then of course he told us to go there and we did and that's when our investigation started. And we had some pretty incredible experiences there.
00:29:31
Philip Kinsella
And even meeting the original investigator and i'm an author Brenda Butler in the forest when I made a wish out. And people told me, didn't you know that she lived in Suffolk? No, I didn't.
00:29:42
Philip Kinsella
I didn't know where she was in the world to be honest with you. But we ended up co-authoring a book called Sky Crash Throughout Time. and very different from the book that Brenda Butler, Dot Street and Jenny Randalls had co-authored and was published by Neville Spearman Limited back in 1984 called Skycrash, A Cosmic Conspiracy.
00:30:00
Lee Hatfield
There's no different height to
00:30:01
Philip Kinsella
So Sky Crash Throughout Time was a book that I co-authored with Brenda, but the place itself was and still is a hotspot for bizarre paranormal UFO activity.
00:30:13
Philip Kinsella
And I wondered about these nests, these certain geographical locations around the world and whether or not, you know, what it was that... brought this about as it were. So yeah, I mean, I can't believe that I was involved with that. And, you know, but one of the things you have to be careful of is that, you know, you have to be careful you're not treading on anyone's toes because there are certain people who claim that Rendlesham is their property, that it's their mark. It's where they, you know.
00:30:41
Philip Kinsella
So for me, overstepping that mark was kind of difficult. Like, oh, you know, I'm not an expert. and i'm just ah ah I'm just me. I'm not military anything like that. And you can't possibly have an opinion, Philip, it because you're not part of this.
00:30:52
Lee Hatfield
and all felt that it's insane.
00:30:56
Philip Kinsella
But my argument is that we are all part of it, every single one of us. I don't care who you are, where you come from, whether or not you're rich or poor, famous or not. It matters nothing. It matters not to me. We're all important.
00:31:08
Philip Kinsella
So yes, I got involved with that and had some pretty spectacular experiences.
00:31:14
Lee Hatfield
And that's really cool. And it's really strange that yeah people know that i'm I'm from England originally. So yeah despite having loads of information that I can get from North America, I love going back to the homeland and speaking to people about the UK versions of what there is in North America.
00:31:33
Lee Hatfield
Like say, and the Renishal Forest is ah ah is a perfect example
00:31:37
Philip Kinsella
Oh, yes.
00:31:38
Lee Hatfield
of that of that for sure so we mentioned a few minutes ago like yeah where are these guys hanging out because obviously we don't see them every day what's your theory on uh unidentified submersible objects you know that that there's that there could be alien bases underwater
00:31:45
Philip Kinsella
yeah
00:31:57
Philip Kinsella
Oh, absolutely. I mean, why not? I mean, the thing is, our planet is larger than we think, and most of the landmass isn't actually landmass, it's actually watermass. And there are levels that we can't even reach. We just, you know, people, most people around the world, God love them, think that we've charted every part of the ocean.
00:32:15
Philip Kinsella
We haven't, only a small, very, very small part of it. So my understanding is that these USOs are what we call UFOs or now UAPs. and I think it's interesting because if you have something that is able to travel through space or time, if we use that word lightly, or interdimensionally,
00:32:34
Philip Kinsella
you're going to have a vessel that is kind of protected. So I believe that most of these objects will be able to travel, you know, subterrainly or in the oceans. Why not?
00:32:46
Philip Kinsella
It's interesting because um I I wonder sometimes also whether or not these so-called ETs, and again, I love them. I've always said that, where they were hanging out. That's ah a line that I always use.
00:32:57
Philip Kinsella
You tell me the bar that they're in, we'll go down and have a few drinks and talk about it. I've a sense of humor, you know.
00:33:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:05
Philip Kinsella
you need one in this in this crazy business. And people say it's not crazy. It is crazy in a good way. know, even then you've got to be, you know, like a puppet. No, I'm not. I'm very human. I'm very humanised.
00:33:16
Philip Kinsella
But it's interesting. And I think quite frightening, really, when you think about the fact that, you know, you could be out there in the ocean and you see these things under the water. And a very good friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, another researcher, Paul Sinclair, up from Bempton,
00:33:32
Philip Kinsella
in West Yorkshire. And he's done a lot of research, not just on the dogman or werewolf accounts, but also light phenomena. And these UFOs in the Bempton Sea are seen glowing under the water, as well as in the air, in the sky. And ah ah he calls them USOs as well. So I believe that they could be one of the same.
00:33:52
Philip Kinsella
Indeed, I don't think there's any difference between them because UFOs have been seen to come in and out of the ocean. And I will tell you something of interest here. I had a very good friend many years ago called Pete Castle, and i and he was a buff on UFOs. I mean, he loved them.
00:34:07
Philip Kinsella
Him and his wife used to live in a village up in Woolstead, and my brother and I and our friend Susan, we were known as the Scooby-Doo Gang, the Rendlesham Gang of the Scooby-Doo Gang.
00:34:11
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:34:16
Philip Kinsella
we used to air We used to go up there and sit in their cabin and have coffee and, you know, until in the into the ah late hours of the night, and we'd read about UFOs, psychic phenomena. But he was in the and when he was a young lad and he told me can't remember where it was now but he told me and always believed him because he was in contact with many researchers long before the internet came along he told me that he was on board this navy ship and they had all seen this UFO coming out of the ocean and it came up and it shot them all and then it hovered there for a while it was circular and all these lights around it and then shot off in the blink of an eye and they were all taken down
00:35:00
Philip Kinsella
and they were told not to talk about it. So, you know, that was what I suppose we could consider as a USO then turned UFO, but one of the same thing.
00:35:10
Lee Hatfield
Because i do find it interesting now that quite a few governments, ah especially the USA, have actually started to acknowledge the fact that UFOs
UFO Phenomena Acknowledgment in the UK vs US
00:35:21
Lee Hatfield
exist.
00:35:21
Lee Hatfield
And I know there's been a massive debate where yeah people have been ah being questioned on the fact.
00:35:25
Philip Kinsella
Yeah.
00:35:28
Lee Hatfield
Is there something similar in the UK with regard to government or is it still kind of hush hush?
00:35:34
Philip Kinsella
No, we're making no traction. We're making no grounds here. Let me explain a little bit about that. Now, I have a good friend. Well, we've all got good friends, haven't we i suppose that I suppose to this department of study, you can't help but having them.
00:35:44
Lee Hatfield
you
00:35:46
Philip Kinsella
But thank God we do. Researcher after researcher, someone you can reach out to. but Nigel Ross created New Force, which is the National UFO Reporting Service. And we, well, I had taken upon myself to approach Parliament.
00:36:00
Philip Kinsella
Theresa May, who had been instrumental in the Gary McKinnon case. We all know about that, what happened with Gary McKinnon from the United States of America and the problems that he had got himself into because of accessing sensitive information and seeing information that he wasn't meant to see about UFOs and off-world officers and that type of thing.
00:36:17
Philip Kinsella
So I wrote to her on behalf of Newfords to ask, look, in Parliament, let's all come together. Let's set aside our differences. Let's talk around a table and we can get a team of people together and share information and try and work out what it is that we're dealing with in terms of UFOs.
00:36:36
Philip Kinsella
Now, I know Nick Pope, a lovely man, you know, a gentleman, and for many long years, And he used to work for the Ministry Defence. And I understand that, you know, within his capacity, his work, he's not allowed to talk. You understand it. yeah So we can't blame it all on him, you know.
00:36:53
Philip Kinsella
and But, you know, saying to them, you know, let's come together, let's put our heads together and work out theoretically what it is that we're dealing with and seeing if there's any ways that we can gain or make communication on some level.
00:37:05
Philip Kinsella
That was demonstrated with myself, Ronald and Susan, back on the 8th of June 1998 at Rendlesham with an operation calling Occupants, which came from the idea from Karen Carpenter's song of the same name.
00:37:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:37:18
Philip Kinsella
So I wrote and sent all the details and I got silence back. So what does that tell you? You know, there are a lot of, there are a lot of good people in parliament. Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of good people, but a lot of them are just out for themselves and, you know,
00:37:38
Philip Kinsella
Oh, dare dare I say anything about that. I don't want to knock at the door and then get arrested.
00:37:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So We've mentioned Roswell, we've mentioned Area 51, we've mentioned Rendlesham Forest. Are there any other hotspots in the UK that are prolific for UFO sightings and experiences?
UFO Hotspots and Protection of Encounter Sites
00:38:01
Philip Kinsella
Oh, yes. I mean, I mentioned one of them, which was up in Bempton. and which is where Paul Sinclair lives. And he's very well known within the UFO encrypted circuit because this phenomena seems to not only bring on the appearance of light phenomena, but also the apparitions or the manifestations of what we would call werewolves.
00:38:20
Philip Kinsella
And he's been doing his research there. And we we were up there last year, actually. We spent some time and we caught an image of something quite bizarre and strange that we didn't see while we were there, appeared on camera afterwards that's been analysed as an unknown.
00:38:30
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:38:33
Philip Kinsella
But sure, you've got Glastonbury as well too, which is a hotspot, although more in the mind, body and spirit mind. So I believe that there are certain areas, many areas around the world. But the thing is, one of the things is that most of these areas are like Cordon Off.
00:38:49
Philip Kinsella
You've got Skinwalker Ranch in Utah and a hotspot, you know a nest of a hive of activity, supernatural and UFO activity. And that was all supposedly brought on by curse, by an indigenous tribe.
00:39:03
Philip Kinsella
that created the skinwalker and whether or not the mind as I've argued is powerful enough to manifest a reality that becomes real is another area that we need to that we've been exploring as well spelling creating a spell and why it is the churches then you know condemned anyone who used their mind outside the box and considered them a witch or a sorcerer or a wizard and have them burned or drowned to centralize human programming on a very low level of conscious awareness.
00:39:35
Philip Kinsella
So I believe that, you know, with these certain hotspots, they are great because if you're an investigator, you can go in and you know You know, we will be a little bit jittery, of course, that would naturally. That adds to the excitement.
00:39:47
Philip Kinsella
But I have to say to you that there are hotspots, and not just here in England, but all over the world. But, you know, I believe that most people have do know about them. I think someone also has written several books, especially in America, where you can find these hotspots, literally.
00:40:01
Lee Hatfield
ay Well, we are coming to the end of a fascinating podcast. and like Some of the information you provide has been great. I've got one final question for you.
00:40:13
Lee Hatfield
So a few weeks ago, I interviewed a Sasquatch investigator, a Bigfoot investigator, and he actually said that if he came across a Bigfoot or a Sasquatch investigator,
00:40:27
Lee Hatfield
he would not uh declare the location because his objective in life is to search for bigfoot sasquatch etc and he would not reveal that location because of the threat from others that would come in and destroy the speed yeah destroy the species the location so
00:40:45
Philip Kinsella
Soil it, yes.
00:40:50
Lee Hatfield
I know you've already had your experiences, but if something happened to you tomorrow that would categorically prove the existence of ETs or yeah UFOs, would you keep it to yourself or would you make it public?
00:41:08
Philip Kinsella
That is a very good question. And I do respect the researcher who states for the record that he would keep that area secret. And this is important because, you know, when people do these CE5 initiatives, we did that back in the of June 1998, without realising it was a CE5 that was created a year later by Dr. Stephen Greer. I have nothing to do with the the man himself, but he did create it a year later or gave that title, I believe.
00:41:36
Philip Kinsella
So if you have too many people doing it, it's not going to work because it's something do with the projection of consciousness and you'll get other people's whose minds are not on the same wavelength. It's rather like, as I said before, soiling the grounds, but also soiling the conscious intent.
00:41:49
Philip Kinsella
her It has to be performed on another level entirely of conscious intent, as it were, calling occupants. You know, there was the three of us and we did just that. They weren't occupants, but a ah ah UFO of considerable size.
00:42:03
Philip Kinsella
But it was more of pyramidical shaped device with a circular undercarriage under it. So I agree. i think if that happened to me tomorrow or I was met by this, I have reported everything because people want facts.
00:42:17
Philip Kinsella
They want proof, but proof that we can't bring to the table, whatever that that falls into, whether or not a few photographs that I've taken that are unknowns or little bit of film footage of UFOs that happened on the 9th of April that wasn't my my nieces, again, unknowns, but people don't want to see it. It's like, can't accept it.
00:42:35
Philip Kinsella
You want to keep on with the the fantasy and the fallacy that that they're chasing the shadows, but when there's something presented, they don't want to look at it. But no, I wouldn't. Because if you had found a place within the environment that brought these beings forward or wherever they coming from, you would not want to be contaminated.
00:42:53
Philip Kinsella
That is important. I believe that most definitely. So yes. Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's like it's really weird because being paranormal investigator, yeah if we went into a place and we saw a ghost or spirit blatant right in front of you and you got evidence,
00:43:03
Philip Kinsella
Yes.
00:43:14
Lee Hatfield
it would blow the world apart. it would yeah Every man and his dog would want to come to that location and experience the same thing.
00:43:19
Philip Kinsella
Oh yes, that's fine.
00:43:20
Lee Hatfield
And like you say, it would it would destroy that environment. It would contaminate it.
00:43:25
Philip Kinsella
Yes.
00:43:25
Lee Hatfield
And yeah if I was that spirit, I'd be like, well, no, stop. I'm not doing that again. Because...
00:43:31
Philip Kinsella
Yeah, sacred sites. And this is the thing with a lot of the these ah wonderful portals, as they call them. They must be untainted. And I think of it this is the problem where we're building and building and building.
00:43:41
Philip Kinsella
The energy of that's being changed. Go into the rural locations or are these ah ah you know other geographical areas. that is untainted this is where you find more of the mystery or the phenomena rather than this so i believe that once we start to trash it all the energies are removed and it it dies so it is very important that yes to to keep a place away from contaminated minds and certainly from people trying to you know trample on everything as it were
00:44:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. In this day and age, we know damn well that that would happen.
00:44:14
Philip Kinsella
oh yes absolutely
00:44:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Conclusion and Future Topics with Philip Kinsella
00:44:16
Lee Hatfield
Okay, Philip. It's been absolutely fantastic. There was many more subjects that I wanted to talk to you about. So i would love to have you back on to talk about the the werewolves and yeah yeah the afterlife experiences.
00:44:31
Philip Kinsella
Oh, yes.
00:44:31
Lee Hatfield
So if you want to come back, you'll be most welcome because I've had a thoroughly enjoyable time on this one. But yeah, at the end of the day, I'd like to thank you for your time and hopefully we'll see you on the podcast very soon.
00:44:37
Philip Kinsella
Thank you.
00:44:44
Philip Kinsella
And I will be delighted to come back on board, Lee, to talk more of the mysteries that elude us and continuously astound us. But thank you very much indeed. It's been wonderful.
00:44:54
Lee Hatfield
Perfect. Thanks. Have a great day. Thanks. Bye-bye.
00:44:57
Philip Kinsella
Bye-bye.