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S1 E23 - Austin Lawrence - Paranormal Investigator, Author, Film Maker and creator of the Dead Chronicles
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In this week’s fun episode Austin and I talk about growing up with movies such as IT and the 6th Sense.
We talk about Austin visiting Waverley Hills and Prospect Place, Spirits presenting themselves when the cameras are not recording and putting paranormal equipment to the test.
We discuss Austin’s two books, The Taylor Mill horror and Hell’s Carnival, and then move on to the Dead Chronicles.
Austin talks about the real stories of Ida Gunkel from the Randolph County Asylum, Indiana, and the Reverend Jim Jones.
We finish off with the Stagecoach Inn, Kentucky, why is Frank being left out of the investigation, Paranormal Investigators coming back to join in on hauntings, and seeing 11:11 on the clock
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight I am more than delighted to have Austin Lawrence with me. but Austin is a paranormal investigator, an author and a filmmaker. ah Austin, welcome to the show.
00:00:29
Austin Lawrence
Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Austin's Background and Early Influences
00:00:31
Lee Hatfield
yeah So, were you actually born in Ohio?
00:00:36
Austin Lawrence
Yes. Yes.
00:00:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:00:38
Austin Lawrence
Still live in the same town.
00:00:38
Lee Hatfield
So... Oh, man. How has it changed to see during your growth? Has it changed much or is it still the same wordy?
00:00:47
Austin Lawrence
I haven't seen a whole lot of change. Some of the colleges are building up, so we're getting some of that gentrification going. We have a Chipotle now. That's something we never knew existed before. So...
00:00:59
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow, that's pretty cool. Okay, so I want to start right at the very beginning. So how did Austin Lawrence get involved with the paranormal? what What was your first sort of like stepping stone?
00:01:14
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, i mean I've always been pulled into the direction of the weird. When I was probably like five or six years old, my favorite movies were it It's just Sixth Sense came out and I was obsessed with it as a kid growing up.
00:01:30
Austin Lawrence
And then every Halloween, you always got the the shows that came on where it was like the most haunted and stuff like that. And I just got so obsessed with it. So I started researching very, very young age.
00:01:43
Austin Lawrence
And it wasn't until the first season of Ghost Hunters actually came out where I was like, wait, I can go out and do this. This is a thing that people do. Okay, let me do that.
00:01:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's really cool because I could kind of say the same kind of thing because in the UK, because I've i've only been in Canada for 12 years, we had a show called Most Haunted.
00:02:05
Austin Lawrence
Yes, yes. that's That's one of the ones I remember watching.
00:02:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:08
Austin Lawrence
that It was always on like ABC or something like that during Halloween, and I loved it.
00:02:13
Lee Hatfield
That's it, yeah. And I was like, avid follower. And it's weird how, looking back to what it is now, because you can still get it reruns and stuff like that, to the equipment that they used or didn't use, per se, to what we actually have now.
00:02:22
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:02:29
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:02:29
Lee Hatfield
it's like it's It's as different to chalk and cheese.
00:02:33
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, it's crazy how the field has evolved over the years, that's for sure.
00:02:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. So are you still an active investigator?
Paranormal Journey and Notable Investigations
00:02:42
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, absolutely. now I'm working on filming for my show and I'm gone every month up until October now. So I'm traveling all over.
00:02:55
Lee Hatfield
So when you started yeah getting really involved and you decided that you were either going to join paranormal investigation team or you were going to create your own, how did that kind of like plan out?
00:03:11
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, it's it's kind of a funny story. I actually didn't know anyone anywhere that was really involved in this stuff. Now, back when I was in high school, I used to play in a band, and I ended up hosting a concert.
00:03:25
Austin Lawrence
And I found this random band from West Virginia. And I haven't heard any their music, but i was like, I need to try to get these guys to come out. So they drove like four hours, came out, played the show with us, and then drove back home and went to school the next day.
00:03:38
Austin Lawrence
And I'd become good friends with the vocalist of that band who was super into the paranormal. And he just happened to live in Point Pleasant. Home of the Mothman, you know? So we started talking back and forth and then all of a sudden I'm driving down to Point Pleasant every week and we're going out we're investigating together because that's the only person who I ever met who was like serious about this.
00:04:00
Austin Lawrence
So that's kind of where it all started and started kicking off.
00:04:04
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy. Like I say, i used to love watching him Most Haunted, but one of the things that really kicked it off for me, and I've told this story quite a few times on previous podcasts, I was in the emergency services in the UK and I was a paramedic.
00:04:20
Austin Lawrence
Oh, wow. Okay.
00:04:21
Lee Hatfield
And i I had a new colleague with me because my current colleague was sick. We got called to a cardiac arrest. So we're doing all the CPR and that stuff. And this guy just casually looks across at me and says, yeah, they they the patient spirit tells you that you can stop.
00:04:37
Lee Hatfield
I'm okay. uh sorry what yeah anyway yeah the the patient's spirit stood behind you and he's watching you and he says that he's yeah it's his time's come and he's not coming back it was like dude you can't tell me that in the middle of a cardiac arrest and i went with all due respect could you tell the patient that yeah i've got my my job to do and by protocol i've got to carry on
00:04:39
Austin Lawrence
What? Right?
00:04:59
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:05:01
Lee Hatfield
So he went, oh, no, yeah the ghost says it's all good. And afterwards, and but yeah this guy didn't make it. And we were back on the vehicle. Afterwards, I went, dude, you don't tell me that you're a medium in the middle of a cardiac arrest.
00:05:15
Lee Hatfield
It's like, well, yeah.
00:05:17
Austin Lawrence
Yes. That's something pretty heavy to drop it in an already heavy situation.
00:05:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:05:21
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:05:22
Lee Hatfield
That's right. It's sort of like you start stop and go, did I just hear right? So, yeah.
00:05:26
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:05:27
Lee Hatfield
So yes I always tell like people that story and it's like it's one of my best stories to tell. So being a paranormal investigator, can you recall some of your significant investigations before you started creating the Dead the dead dead Chronicles?
00:05:46
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, so, well, my very first one ever was Waverly Hills. So that was a way to, like, just kind of just jump off the bridge and go right to it, you know?
00:05:51
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:05:54
Austin Lawrence
And that was absolutely phenomenal. I love Waverly Hills. um um After that, the big one that we had was probably Prospect Place Mansion in Trimway, Ohio.
00:06:06
Austin Lawrence
Still one of my favorite places of all times. Really amazing location. And from there on, it's just like... Every location has its own little unique thing that just really sticks with you after you leave, you know?
00:06:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I know we I mentioned it slightly before we came on came on air, but at the weekend I was ah in a small place in New York State called Casanovia, and they've got a hotel called they the Bray Lock Inn.
00:06:39
Austin Lawrence
Okay.
00:06:39
Lee Hatfield
And it's a nice little town, nice little like hotel. Well, it's not a smaller hotel, it's a big one. And I experienced my first apparition this last weekend.
00:06:48
Austin Lawrence
Wow.
00:06:50
Lee Hatfield
I was just laying down in bed. just shut my eyes after doing an investigation about 1.30 in the morning. And I felt a weight sit on my bed. And it's one of these really old four poster beds.
00:07:02
Austin Lawrence
Okay.
00:07:03
Lee Hatfield
and i'm And I'm thinking, okay, yeah it's probably the the old blankets that are settling. But then it it did it again. And I thought, no, this is not open behind. I've just got this white apparition going past.
00:07:17
Lee Hatfield
And I'm like, did I just see that?
00:07:19
Austin Lawrence
That's amazing.
00:07:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And like yeah that thanks to this place, and it's like it's a hidden gem. It really is. If ever you get a chance to go to New York State, highly recommend it because this has got some really cool stories.
00:07:34
Austin Lawrence
No, that's great. And it's always, it's always such an honor when you get to experience stuff like that.
00:07:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:40
Austin Lawrence
You know, they're willing to spend their energy to come out for you.
00:07:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:45
Austin Lawrence
And it's just, it's, it's something that you can't even begin to describe.
00:07:49
Lee Hatfield
That's right. ah ah we We actually kind of found that if these spirits are intelligent, what they have a habit of doing is doing stuff when you're not recording.
00:07:56
Austin Lawrence
Mm hmm.
00:08:01
Austin Lawrence
Yes, absolutely.
00:08:03
Lee Hatfield
Yes. So we had like a cupboard open a cupboard door open. And we're like, all three of us like, what? Yeah, that cup door just opened. And we we closed it. We put the latch back on. We banged it. We jumped up and down. And we could not get it to unlatch and to open.
00:08:20
Austin Lawrence
hmm.
00:08:20
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, thanks, guys. None of us have got cameras on. ah ah It's just like, well, damn.
00:08:25
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:08:27
Lee Hatfield
So talking, still talking about your investigating field, are you like one of the ah ah tech guy that's got all the gadgets or do you keep things basic?
00:08:39
Austin Lawrence
So I am tech nerd, but i keep things basic when it comes to investigating. So I love my cameras. I love, I have an EDI meter that I love. And I'll pull out audio recorders. I'll use tape recorders.
00:08:58
Austin Lawrence
And I'm pretty bare bones when it comes to things.
00:09:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because it's quite funny because you see quite a few TV shows that use all the stuff that people say that you shouldn't use.
00:09:07
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:09:12
Lee Hatfield
But there ah we have a TV show, Haunted Discoveries, over here, where these guys yeah these guys do things like really professional.
00:09:18
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:22
Lee Hatfield
And I always try to to where walk in the same path that they walk in.
00:09:23
Austin Lawrence
Yep.
00:09:28
Austin Lawrence
Absolutely.
Approach to Paranormal Equipment and Evidence
00:09:28
Lee Hatfield
And if we if we do use particular pieces of equipment, we put it to the test. Like a K2 meter or a RENPOD, we will put it to the test.
00:09:35
Austin Lawrence
Yep.
00:09:38
Austin Lawrence
yep
00:09:39
Lee Hatfield
So we go like, okay, you've got a radio, yeah you walkie-talkie, oh, yeah, it activates it. And we actually found that a RENPOD would be activated by unplugging and plugging in a fan.
00:09:51
Austin Lawrence
Absolutely.
00:09:51
Lee Hatfield
because of the because of the power surge. So we do have yeah some of the toys and gadgets, but we always put them to the test. And if we can say, well, yeah, this is a piece of crap, then we don't use it anymore.
00:10:02
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:10:04
Lee Hatfield
and it's yeah And unfortunately, you get a lot of people that look at things and go, that's nice and shiny. I'm going to buy one of them.
00:10:11
Austin Lawrence
yes
00:10:12
Lee Hatfield
and And they don't care if they get proper evidence with it. But I always try to stay on the straight and narrow and follow these guys because, like say, what they do, they do things, as I call it, the right way.
00:10:26
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, absolutely. And it's it's it's strange. I've actually, I'm so lucky to be really good friends with those guys, especially Brandon.
00:10:33
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:10:34
Austin Lawrence
And this, a couple of months ago, I got to spend about two ah or a week on set with them filming for a couple of their episodes. And Brandon has been such an asset for me in so many different avenues.
00:10:42
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man.
00:10:47
Austin Lawrence
And if I ever capture anything before it goes into a video, I send it to him and I say, prove this wrong. Yeah. You know, and when it comes to equipment, I always talk to him when it comes to theories because they just blow my mind with the stuff that they do.
00:10:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. 100%.
00:11:00
Lee Hatfield
hundred percent
00:11:01
Austin Lawrence
It's absolutely incredible.
00:11:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and i I've got a similar guy and who lives in in Canada. If I get any audio, if I get any video, I will send it to him and he will analyze it even down as far as doing like the voice waves and stuff like that.
00:11:11
Austin Lawrence
hmm.
00:11:18
Austin Lawrence
Yes, yes. The spectrographic and stuff.
00:11:19
Lee Hatfield
and
00:11:20
Austin Lawrence
Yep.
00:11:20
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. And he'll go, this is you, this is the noise, this that noise is not you and stuff like that.
00:11:24
Austin Lawrence
who
00:11:27
Lee Hatfield
And when people find out that that's how we operate, They know that we're taking this seriously rather than than just a fly-by-night group that, like, oh, let's go out and find something spooky.
00:11:39
Austin Lawrence
Yeah.
00:11:39
Lee Hatfield
And I think that's important with investigating.
00:11:41
Austin Lawrence
No, I totally agree. Because if we if we take in all this other equipment stuff, we could prove that you know an outhouse is haunted easily. But what does that do for us? What that do for the field? does that do for anything? you know So I'm totally right there with you. And Brandon and you know his crew have been a huge inspiration on how I really operate and move forward. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:12:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because this guy that I use, he's actually got a company that does paranormal courses. And he asked me to teach him a paranormal equipment course.
00:12:19
Lee Hatfield
So the first week you go through your audio and your video. The second week was the diagnostics. So like, yeah, you try field kind of kind of thing and your EDI.
00:12:29
Austin Lawrence
Uh-huh.
00:12:30
Lee Hatfield
The third week was the the pseudo equipment. So your REM pod, your cat balls, all that. And then the fourth week was the old fashioned stuff. So like the Ouija board, dowsing rods, pendulum. And i ah yeah and actually i actually I actually break things down into like, okay, guys, this is a REM pod.
00:12:40
Austin Lawrence
Wow.
00:12:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah It's good for playing with. And in the right circumstances, you can use it to your benefit. However, there are times when it can be affected by yeah alternative sources, electricity, cell phones, radios.
00:12:52
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:13:00
Lee Hatfield
And like the guys that actually were on my first course, my students, they were blown away because as I was completely honest about how good or how crap something was.
00:13:09
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:13:10
Lee Hatfield
and they And they really did appreciate that. And I tried i tried to ah ah tried to tell people, like yeah this is what you need to do.
00:13:13
Austin Lawrence
don't
00:13:17
Lee Hatfield
so don't Don't play with gadgets that are not going to get any evidence.
00:13:22
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, no, that's that's really cool. And I'm glad that there's people out there doing it because there's a lot of things. Even I moved to a wireless DVR camera system and I was at a location and i was picking up these strange noises.
00:13:39
Austin Lawrence
And I reached out to Brandon. like, Brandon, what is this? And he said, is there a radio tower nearby? i was like, yeah, but these aren't recording wirelessly. They're recording straight to an SD card.
00:13:50
Austin Lawrence
And he said, it doesn't matter. Those can actually pick up radio frequencies. I'm like, there's no way. Like, that is so insane.
00:13:55
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:13:57
Austin Lawrence
And it just, like, I was so excited to be able to debunk that because that's so crazy. have never thought that a radio tower can interfere with a camera and imprint sounds onto it you know there's so many things out there absolutely absolutely
00:14:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. oh That's it. And I think with that aspect, we are both lucky to have these kind of individuals that are prepared to help us and that we can fall back on if there's something that we don't understand or that we're not fully clear on what's happening.
00:14:29
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so moving along, you decided to write a couple of books. So did the idea of the books come first or did the idea of the Dead Chronicles come first?
Writing and Documenting Paranormal Experiences
00:14:42
Austin Lawrence
So the books came first. The first one was about a case that went on. oh it's been probably about 10 years now. was the worst case I'd ever bet on. And that was something that I'd actually written that book, I think, 15 times and threw it away.
00:14:58
Austin Lawrence
Just because the claims in that book are claims that I've heard and I thought people were crazy for saying that this stuff could happen. And I was worried that if I put this out there that, you know, I would be destroyed.
00:15:13
Austin Lawrence
And, you know, people would be like, oh, no, he's not reliable because he said this, this and this. But eventually I put that out. And then it was a few years later where i had put out my second book. It was a combination of some night a reoccurring nightmare I had since a child and then dealing with a kind of traumatic event where dealing in your line of work, we had a man who was crushed to death and we were tasked to try to save him and
00:15:45
Austin Lawrence
There was no saving him. So we had continue performing CPR knowing it was helpless and just that whole situation. I'm i'm not a person to be in the medical field. I stay away from that.
00:15:56
Austin Lawrence
I don't do well with that stuff.
00:15:57
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:15:58
Austin Lawrence
So to kind of deal with that, I wrote it all into one book. And then eventually the dead Chronicles kind of happened.
00:16:08
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so let's talk about Taylor Mill.
00:16:13
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:16:13
Lee Hatfield
That's correct.
00:16:14
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:16:14
Lee Hatfield
So you you've just mentioned like how it came about by personal experiences.
00:16:14
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:16:21
Lee Hatfield
So how did that turn into writing down notes and then turn into your first book?
00:16:30
Austin Lawrence
Well, that, so that was a little bit later. I'd been investigating for by about two or three years at that point. And, you know, like I said, we started out at Waverly Hills and we were trying to go for your bigger locations that would have more activity. So we weren't totally green to investigating, you know, you're never a professional, you're never an expert, but We weren't totally new to the field.
00:16:55
Austin Lawrence
And we just happened decide to go to Bobby Mackey's to investigate. And then they offered us this place to stay. I'm like, okay, cool. And the things that we experienced inside that home and the claims that the owner had were so horrific that they stuck with us for the longest time.
00:17:14
Austin Lawrence
And that was the only place in my entire life where I was totally convinced I was going to die inside that home.
00:17:14
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:17:20
Austin Lawrence
It was that bad. And so that stuck with me for months afterwards, you know, between nightmares. And then I was followed by something that would watch me sleep at night.
00:17:32
Austin Lawrence
And I actually got a picture of it just standing next to my bed. And, you know, I started having an activity around my house. So, you know, i always say, you know, like people talk about, you know, hey, I'm getting out of the paranormal field.
00:17:44
Austin Lawrence
And it's like, man, I would have never had that opportunity. You know, I couldn't stop thinking about this or this location or anything because it was now my life.
00:17:55
Austin Lawrence
I'm stuck. It's here. so what are you going to do? just decided to start riding.
00:18:02
Lee Hatfield
Wow. and And that's actually really interesting because when I first came to Canada, I wanted to get into the workforce as quickly as I could. But obviously, when I was i was on the visitors feet to start off with.
00:18:13
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:18:15
Lee Hatfield
So when I finally got a job, I started off as a as a security guard.
00:18:15
Austin Lawrence
Yep. isnt
00:18:21
Lee Hatfield
And literally, all I was doing was sitting at a desk checking ID cards.
00:18:22
Austin Lawrence
du
00:18:27
Lee Hatfield
So I had an electronic book with me, started to read books on fire departments and paramedics and stuff. And every time that I wrote a story, oh, read a story, sorry, I would write down notes of stories that I remembered from when I was in the job.
00:18:45
Austin Lawrence
Oh, cool.
00:18:46
Lee Hatfield
And then so started writing down notes and then those notes ended up to be short stories.
00:18:52
Austin Lawrence
Mm hmm.
00:18:53
Lee Hatfield
And I'm one of these people where it's like, yeah, I probably don't think it's good enough, but I've probably got a good, I don't know, 60, 70 stories now. Yeah.
00:19:04
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, it's just, it's been sat on me on my computer for so yeah for the longest time thinking, yeah, I might do something with it one day, but yeah, like imposter syndrome kind of thing.
00:19:12
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:19:15
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:19:15
Lee Hatfield
but it's like But how do how did you personally feel when you started to write about this and did you ever think that you'd get it published?
00:19:27
Austin Lawrence
i I really didn't know that I was ever going to get it published. i also didn't really know what I was doing. Because like I said, I ended up doing it like 15 times. So I kind of had the idea of it.
00:19:41
Austin Lawrence
But I can't say that It's, uh, it didn't make me feel any better about the situation. That's for sure. If anything, it introduced more anxiety knowing, oh God, people are going to read this and think I'm crazy.
00:19:53
Austin Lawrence
Uh, so yeah, it was just very, very interesting until some people just finally convinced me you got to put this out because there's other people out there who are thinking the same thing who might be going through the same situation.
00:19:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. for sure
00:20:08
Austin Lawrence
And, you know, for them to know that they're not alone, that's why you need to put this out there. So there for a second, I felt a little bit better about putting it out.
00:20:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah And what was the response when it was published?
00:20:22
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, there honestly wasn't too much negativity thrown my way. The only negativity was that someone one said it was too religious, which I don't know what that it means. so Yeah.
00:20:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:36
Austin Lawrence
there's There's like a priest in there because there wasn't the actual story. But there were some people who reached out and they're like, oh wow, this is crazy. I've experienced this. I've experienced this.
00:20:46
Austin Lawrence
And that did make me feel better about, you know, once again, letting people know. Because it's interesting when I talk to the owner, because originally it was it was him, his wife, and his daughter.
00:20:58
Austin Lawrence
And he was having all the experiences. and his wife and his daughter wasn't really having many experiences. And i asked him, I said, did you ever think there was a moment where you were going insane?
00:21:12
Austin Lawrence
And he said, yeah, he was like, I was actually going to go to a hospital and get myself evaluated. And, it wasn't until his wife and daughter started having experiences. They realized, okay, I'm not crazy.
00:21:26
Austin Lawrence
So
00:21:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:27
Austin Lawrence
for people to know that they're not insane, they're not losing their mind that this stuff does happen. think that's important, you know,
00:21:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And I think it also yeah means that, like you said a few minutes ago, People know that they're not alone.
Randolph County Asylum and Ida Gunkel's Story
00:21:44
Austin Lawrence
right? Absolutely.
00:21:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah For you you to experience that and to put it into black and white and then for people to reach out and go, can I speak to you? Because i've I've had this happen and I want to know that I'm not going crazy.
00:21:58
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:21:59
Lee Hatfield
And I think that's that's important. So moving on to the Dead Chronicles, where did that where did that seed of of thought come from?
00:22:05
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:22:10
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, so originally i had filmed at a location a couple years back, ah Randolph County Asylum in Winchester, Indiana. And i filmed there with another group, and we got some pretty compelling evidence. And after that, I was like, right, on to the next location. you know And i got asked to go back, and I'm like I feel like I got what I needed there.
00:22:34
Austin Lawrence
I'm good. i want to move on to the next place, next place, next place. And so it wasn't until about a year ago that I had returned because some good friends of mine who have a podcast, they were doing an event out at the asylum.
00:22:49
Austin Lawrence
And I was like, I'll go out there just to see them and, you know, hang out with them. So I did. and something just clicked with me again. and it's all surrounding the story of this woman named Ida Gunkel.
00:23:03
Austin Lawrence
And she was a resident there who ended up with neurosyphilis and she was a good person by all accounts. but the problem was, is that this started to eat away at her brain. She started, you know, watering out into the field, into the highway, doing all kinds of dangerous stuff at night.
00:23:24
Austin Lawrence
And so the asylum was actually a poor farm. It wasn't a mental asylum. It was asylum because it was a safe place for people to go. And they didn't know what to do with her. Her family didn't want her put in a mental asylum because back then it's not a good place to be, you know.
00:23:38
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:23:40
Austin Lawrence
So they decided to walk her down in the basement during nighttime and then let her out during daytime. And One night she had asked for a broom to clean up and they were like, yeah, great. She's, you know, she's getting better. She wants to clean her room. Perfect.
00:23:55
Austin Lawrence
So they gave her a broom and what she had done was she had put it through the exposed piping, above her bed uh, tore up her mattress and end up hanging herself.
00:24:08
Austin Lawrence
And yeah, it's very, very graphic.
00:24:08
Lee Hatfield
jeez yeah
00:24:11
Austin Lawrence
And as i went and, you start hearing these stories about her that just doesn't make sense about how she was this crazy evil woman who, you know, then you start going on these, that night there was a public investigation, people going down there. Oh, how'd it feel when you killed yourself?
00:24:31
Austin Lawrence
You know, stuff like that. And I'm just like, wait a second, this, this isn't right.
00:24:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:24:35
Austin Lawrence
And then the thing, so I started going back to the asylum more and more. And the moment, that I realized I was going to do this was there was a group there and they were going to stay there overnight.
00:24:48
Austin Lawrence
And one of the women was a self-proclaimed psychic medium. And so her group went off on the tour and she said, i don't need to go. I know everything. And so I sat in the room with her and she started telling me about how Ida was this horrible, horrible woman who was killing people, who was doing this, who was doing that.
00:24:59
Lee Hatfield
so
00:25:08
Austin Lawrence
And I was literally shaking. I was so mad. I was like, I'm not about to fight a 60 year old woman. So going to go in this other room. So I sat down in the other room and I picked up a book and I started looking at it and I heard the door to the basement open and close and And i was like, oh, it must be the group. Okay.
00:25:24
Austin Lawrence
And then I'm looking down at my book and I see right over the top of the book, this apparition walk into the room and just stand there looking at me. And I look up and it's just gone.
00:25:37
Austin Lawrence
And I could just feel this immense sadness just overtake the entire room. And I was like, okay, I hear you. We're going to set this stuff straight. We're going to start this series specifically To try to set everything straight at all these locations.
00:25:53
Austin Lawrence
To try to tell people's actual stories. To re-humanize. You know, these spirits.
00:26:00
Lee Hatfield
That is crazy. So have you actually been back there since?
00:26:05
Austin Lawrence
Yes, I've been back there many, many, many times.
00:26:09
Lee Hatfield
history the Is the atmosphere still the same or does it do you think it's changed after you've kind of told her story, so to speak?
00:26:17
Austin Lawrence
It is honestly 1 million percent change. And it changed for a couple of reasons, I think. Number one, there were claims of all these graves, these mass graves on the property, and no one knew where they were.
00:26:29
Austin Lawrence
So I actually raised money and brought ah ah good friend of mine, Billy Wilkerson, out from Kentucky. He drove like eight hours. And what he does is he does ground penetrating radar to find lost graves.
00:26:41
Austin Lawrence
And then he'll repair lost gravestones and stuff like that.
00:26:41
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow, cool.
00:26:44
Austin Lawrence
And we ended up finding over 250 graves. Some of those were mass graves with hundreds of bodies. Some of them were double graves where it was like mother and child, they believe.
00:26:56
Austin Lawrence
And after that, I noticed that things started getting but little bit different there. They started interacting with me a lot more. It's like I had earned their respect.
00:27:08
Austin Lawrence
then after we started telling Ida story, you know, her room, people would go on a tour there, not even knowing the history and they walk out bawling and they'd be I don't know why, but I am crying. Like, okay, well, we'll tell you the story about that room. And it was always a really sad, dark place after we finished.
00:27:27
Austin Lawrence
It's not that way anymore. And one of the interesting things is that one time i was walking,
00:27:30
Lee Hatfield
what
00:27:34
Austin Lawrence
down the hallway with one of the guides out there. And we were going to go to the specific room. And as we walked past, we both look in her room and it's one of those things where now at the asylum, you'll see stuff and it's just normal.
00:27:48
Austin Lawrence
So we get to the room and she turns me she was like, did you see, it you saw that? Right. And I said, yeah. And she said, there was a man and he was sitting in a chair right next to her bed with kind of his head down in his hands, just like waiting for her.
00:28:05
Austin Lawrence
And they always said that she was trapped in that room because of the depression, because of, you know, the suicide and everything else. And to me, that was confirmation that, you know, we have this man there waiting for her return, that she's no longer stuck there, you know?
00:28:22
Lee Hatfield
That is unbelievable. And one thing that I like about doing podcasts are those kind of stories that you've just mentioned, because my jaw just goes like, oh.
00:28:35
Lee Hatfield
Because it's really hard to put yourself in that position yeah fun from her perspective and from your perspective, because you've definitely, if it's possible,
00:28:44
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:28:49
Lee Hatfield
put that spirit at rest or at ease, so to speak. And that's your doing is nobody else's. It's just your doing. So that must make you feel ah won't I don't want to use the word proud. But yeah, have a good feeling about yourself that you've actually been able to put to put her at ease.
00:29:10
Lee Hatfield
Does that make sense?
00:29:11
Austin Lawrence
No, yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. mean, I am still a big skeptic, so I will never say that spirits or ghosts or anything actually 100% exist. But if that's the case, you know, that does make me feel better. But even if that isn't necessarily the case, you know, this goes beyond to where now other people can hear her story and relate to her.
00:29:34
Austin Lawrence
And apply it to their own life. And every single location has that.
00:29:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:39
Austin Lawrence
And it's this way where we can all seek kind of this mental health, thing together throughout all these locations, all these stories, all these places, and you know have place people that you can relate to and you can learn from.
00:29:54
Austin Lawrence
Because, for example, in Ida's case, about a year later, we had a treatment for syphilis, and she might have been completely okay after that. you know She might have been cured from her disease, but she decided to take her life just before that happened.
00:30:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:30:08
Austin Lawrence
There was a light at the end of the tunnel, and
00:30:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:30:12
Austin Lawrence
To me, that's powerful. That's a powerful story for people to know and hear if you're out there struggling, that you know there is light just down the road.
00:30:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and like being being a paramedic for for such a long time, ah ah I can relate. I've seen people at their worst. Yeah.
00:30:28
Austin Lawrence
Absolutely.
00:30:28
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, I've had two or three patients that... I've got them into hospital and yeah they're they're thanking me for saving their lives.
00:30:39
Lee Hatfield
And there's nothing more that a human but a human person can say to you that makes you feel any better.
00:30:46
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:30:48
Lee Hatfield
It's like, thank you for saving my life. And it's sort of like it it blows you away some of the time. yeah I will admit it does bring you to tears as well.
00:30:56
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, absolutely. That's and insanely powerful. And, you know, we can take this paranormal field and do things like that instead of just being worried about who gets the most views, who catches the craziest evidence.
00:31:00
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Paranormal Narratives and Mental Health
00:31:09
Austin Lawrence
You know, we can apply these things And it it gets a little little dodgy sometimes. like I just put out an episode where i investigated the yeah the boyhood church of Reverend Jim Jones. and But you know you can take that and detail his childhood to adulthood, what had happened to him, why he became this way, and really raise...
00:31:37
Austin Lawrence
once again, this mental health awareness so that people can navigate lives better. And if we're not living to help other people live a better and more comfortable, loving life, then what is the point, right?
00:31:52
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Exactly. And i I did kind of see something on your on your Facebook about Jimmy Jones. I didn't know who he was, like come in from coming from England.
00:32:02
Austin Lawrence
wow.
00:32:04
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:32:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, we've probably got serial killers in the UK that you've never heard of.
00:32:08
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:32:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so actually did a bit of Googling to find out who he was. And it's like, wow, this guy had a crazy life. he yeah He certainly did.
00:32:21
Lee Hatfield
And i it's interesting that yeah you're able to put the pieces together of his entire life, not what just made him a bad person in the public eye.
00:32:34
Austin Lawrence
Exactly. Exactly. Because even these bad people, we can still learn so much from them. You know, that's why we have history classes. That's why we study things like Nazi Germany and stuff like that. It's not it's because we can learn from them so that these things don't happen again. And if they start happening, we can be like, wait a second.
00:32:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure.
Plans for 'The Dead Chronicles' and Location Serendipity
00:32:57
Lee Hatfield
So you've how many stories are in the Dead Chronicles? um Is it five? i I think I read five episodes.
00:33:04
Austin Lawrence
So the the pilot season is going to be four episodes.
00:33:08
Lee Hatfield
Okay, four.
00:33:09
Austin Lawrence
Right now I'm working on the first official season, which is going completely different from... Well, not necessarily completely different, but it's go be way different from what is uploaded now. It's to lot more put together and everything. um That first season was something that I put out just to be like...
00:33:26
Austin Lawrence
okay, what is it going to take to do this? And what can I do with what I have and what do I need? So we're just going to throw something out there, see how some of the elements work out with people, just kind of, you know, little taste test. Let's see what think about this so that now we can start the real work.
00:33:43
Austin Lawrence
So this season that I'm working on will be 12 episodes, 12 different locations, like five or six different states. um It's going to be exciting.
00:33:54
Lee Hatfield
Is there anything that you can share about those right yet, or is it still in the secret stage?
00:33:59
Austin Lawrence
No, I mean, it's it's going to be the most interesting set of locations. For example, i just we just got back not too long ago from the Euro Shrine, which is a shrine in Bristol, Tennessee, where they allow everyone to come in and worship. So at any given time, you will have Satanists, witches, necromancers, Christians, voodoo, hoodoo, all in this place practicing at once.
00:34:27
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:34:28
Austin Lawrence
So that's going to be a wild, wild episode. I'm really excited for that one. But it's going from that to some old historical places. I'm going to be going to Stagecoach Inn here not too long, is a really cool place where they would actually stay in Kentucky because this area in Kentucky was the only place where dueling was legal.
00:34:51
Austin Lawrence
So they would travel from states away to come duel each other, and they would stay at this hotel. oh
00:34:57
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man, it's crazy.
00:34:58
Austin Lawrence
Then we'll have stuff like nursing homes, jails. I mean, it's just such a hodgepodge of locations. It's going to be really interesting, really exciting.
00:35:08
Lee Hatfield
yeah So how how do you pick these locations? is it your personal choice or is there somebody else that goes, I think you should go here?
00:35:18
Austin Lawrence
These locations always find me. I start out trying to trying to pick locations, but that never really works out. It always seems like all these locations come to you.
00:35:30
Austin Lawrence
Either someone's like, hey, I know this place, or you should check out this place. And i don't think that i picked out first I picked out one of the locations, I believe, for this season, and that's it. The rest just fell into my lap.
00:35:47
Lee Hatfield
And it's i find that i really interesting because I was talking to some girls from BC that have had a TV show on T&E. And when they were when they were picked up by the TV company, it was kind of like they kind of had some input into yeah where they went. But overall, it was like, why? We have these locations.
00:36:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah Where do you want to go? pick yeah And you had to pick a certain number.
00:36:14
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:36:15
Lee Hatfield
So do you get get suggested locations that you think, no, I'm not going to go there?
00:36:22
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, I mean, quite a bit. But so one of the things that I like to do, one of the things that this season is going to be about is that I'm going to have a researcher and I'm going into these places 1 million percent blind. I don't know the history. I don't know the claims. I know nothing.
00:36:41
Austin Lawrence
because that, if you know those things, it can really affect the way you investigate. And when you're reviewing evidence like EVPs, you can be like, oh, I think it said this based off of something that you have already built into your head. so what we'll, what I'll be doing is going in there blind to everything.
00:36:59
Austin Lawrence
And then at the end, i will sit down with the researcher, show my evidence and say, does this line up to the claims in the history of the place? So i it's tough for me to really turn down many locations because i don't want to know anything at all.
00:37:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. And i I can see kind of both sides of the coin because, yes, you go into a location not knowing anything, but you know that other people have experienced something, but you don't know what.
00:37:23
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm.
00:37:33
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:37:34
Lee Hatfield
But then I also look at it in the positive. So, yeah, but you've just kind of put the mockers on that by saying, if you know that there was a John living here and John died and then you hear an EVP,
00:37:48
Lee Hatfield
and you get John, it would have to be 100% clear. Because if you hear something that sounds like John, but you're not 100%, your brain's just going to go, no, that said John.
00:37:52
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:37:59
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:38:00
Lee Hatfield
and And it kind of it contaminates your mind for doing for doing genuine investigations.
00:38:06
Austin Lawrence
Yeah, I agree. And like you said, if if you know they say there's a spirit named John here, then everyone's coming in. and And over in the corner is Frank like, what the hell? What about me? what what Why does no one want to talk to me?
00:38:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:38:17
Austin Lawrence
John's not even here right now.
00:38:19
Lee Hatfield
but yeah
00:38:19
Austin Lawrence
You know, so So I like the fact that, you know, I've always gone against the grain when it comes to investigating. If they tell me this is the hottest spot you need to go here, I'm like, okay, what's the opposite place?
00:38:31
Austin Lawrence
Because if this is the hottest spot, everyone's going there draining it of everything.
00:38:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:35
Austin Lawrence
Let me go somewhere completely different. Let me ask for someone completely else, you know. this has given me that opportunity to really do that.
00:38:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And that also brings us yeah full circle to what we were talking about at the beginning about yeah people that just go there for yeah the shits and giggles, so to speak.
00:38:54
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:38:55
Lee Hatfield
And sort like, okay, is there anybody here that wants to talk to me? And like all the spirits are going, oh, God, yeah, I've had enough of this crap. Yeah.
00:39:05
Austin Lawrence
One of my favorite thoughts, though, always say is that, you know, if if when we pass away, we're allowed to go wherever we want. I want to go back to these places like Waverly Hills and stuff like that and see if I can see it in their time in their timeline. Right.
00:39:19
Austin Lawrence
So how many times do we go into these locations and it's these old paranormal investigators just messing with us? Oh, look at these idiots.
00:39:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:27
Austin Lawrence
They don't know what they're doing. Let's mess with them.
00:39:29
Lee Hatfield
That's Yeah. ah said That's it. And it would be, hey, Frank, go and go and throw a stone over there and get they'll get them chasing that corner.
00:39:35
Austin Lawrence
who Right, exactly. We'll do something over here.
00:39:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And and like that was one thing about this ah ah location that I went to at the weekend. Like I could say, it's a really nice hotel, absolutely beautiful hotel.
00:39:51
Lee Hatfield
And there's a door at the bottom of the stairs. and it's been boarded up for like 40 to 50 years, they've had they've had two i instances where people have been coming downstairs looking for the owner or whatever, see that there's a party going on or a black tie dinner, thinking that they're underdressed, they don't go in the room, they leave and carry on, find the owner, say, oh, I thought you might be at the party, and they go, what party?
00:40:06
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:40:22
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:40:23
Lee Hatfield
And and like this door, I say, it has not been open for 40, 50 years, but two guests recently, well, not recently, but in the last few years, have seen parties going on through that door.
00:40:33
Austin Lawrence
right
00:40:35
Lee Hatfield
And like you say, yeah that would be a genuine hotspot, as are the two bedrooms that we stayed in. Hence, one of them was where I i saw an apparition.
00:40:45
Austin Lawrence
yeah
00:40:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And did yeah did I see it? Only I experienced it. No cameras recording. So it's only my personal experience that I can talk about. I can't talk about other things that happened.
00:40:58
Austin Lawrence
Right.
00:40:59
Lee Hatfield
And that's the thing about the paranormal. Most of the time, it's personal experience. And that's the kind of thing that kind of puts a mocker on it a little bit because because only one person experienced it.
00:41:12
Lee Hatfield
It's your word against mine kind of thing.
00:41:13
Austin Lawrence
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:41:16
Lee Hatfield
And the fact that you can go forward and put these stories out there, like it makes people open up for, as we've already mentioned, and,
00:41:27
Lee Hatfield
yeah people are more willing to to talk about these experiences that they're not going crazy. yeah It's people like you and me.
00:41:33
Austin Lawrence
right
00:41:35
Lee Hatfield
Because i we tell we always tell people that we go out to help people.
Experiences and Phenomena at Blackford County Jail
00:41:39
Austin Lawrence
yes mm-hmm
00:41:39
Lee Hatfield
So we will look for black mold, we'll look for EMF, we will look for rodents and all that kind of stuff before we even consider anything paranormal.
00:41:50
Lee Hatfield
So once you've done that checklet once you've done the checklist,
00:41:50
Austin Lawrence
right
00:41:53
Lee Hatfield
then you can kind of which switch hats and then start looking, well, is this a for paranormal existence? And then move forward from there. So I'd love to be in a position that you can do, like to go to all these locations and actually make a product at the end of the day. Because I think that would be really cool. And so I am slightly envious of what you're currently doing.
00:42:17
Lee Hatfield
i'll be I'll be getting your autograph later. Yeah.
00:42:19
Austin Lawrence
I don't know about all that, but yeah, it's, it's, it's amazing. It's just, ah ah it's a lot of work, but it's, it's well worth it. Just to be able to be inside of some of these locations is astonishing.
00:42:33
Lee Hatfield
so one thing that I'd like to talk about before we yeah we have to go unfortunately is I think I I'm not quite sure if i' read it or heard on one of the other podcasts it's the old Blackford County Jail so can you tell us about that
00:42:46
Austin Lawrence
Yes.
00:42:51
Austin Lawrence
Yeah. So I just put out the video from that jail not too long ago. That place is incredible. That is a place that I had visited o about 11 years ago, I believe, and had some absolutely insane experiences. One of the crazy experiences, we're talking about how you know people think You know, if I say this, I'm going to be crazy.
00:43:15
Austin Lawrence
This is one of the experiences that I never really share. So when we had got there, oddly enough, the owner of the jail is the same owner of the asylum and everything else. So we got to meet up 10 years later. i'm like, oh, yeah, I remember you.
00:43:29
Austin Lawrence
And he still remembered these stories. But one of the craziest, probably the crazy experience I had was when we were down in the basement. They've got like this dungeon type thing going on. I don't know. It's it's it's creepy. It's weird.
00:43:42
Austin Lawrence
And me and my partner were walking down the hallway and I look over and I see this small gnome-like figure just standing there. And then I look directly at it and it darts off into the room.
00:43:56
Austin Lawrence
And I go and i I go into this room and there's at the time it was all rubble. There was nowhere you could go. And I saw this thing standing probably about two feet high. And my partner asked me, what did you see? What did see? What did see? And i'm like, nothing.
00:44:09
Austin Lawrence
And he finally gets out of me. And we actually stayed there for three nights. So for the next two nights, he was just making fun of me nonstop. So on the third night, we had the owner, Dan, take us through on a tour because back then I said, we don't want to know the history. We don't know want to want to know the hauntings. Let's do it on the third night and see if we experience, you know, whatever.
00:44:30
Austin Lawrence
And so we were down in that basement and he was giving us some stories. He was like, oh yeah. He's like, there's one other thing down here. Like what? He was like, this guy captured a gnome down here on film.
00:44:43
Austin Lawrence
And my partner just looked at me and his jaw just dropped.
00:44:47
Austin Lawrence
And so going back 10 years later to film again, everyone has these stories now. Everyone has seen these things out there. And it's so crazy. But even the more crazy experience that had there that still sticks with me, still annoys the crap out of me, was we were there.
00:45:07
Austin Lawrence
We were in the kitchen. were getting ready to start investigating. The owner was over in his office. We hear this. Well, first, my buddy says 1111. Make a wish. I was like, man, I hope we catch something crazy tonight.
00:45:17
Austin Lawrence
Then we hear this loud thud. It's just thud, thud. And we're like, what the heck? So we get up, we start walking around, and the owner's like, grab some cameras. There's something going on.
00:45:28
Austin Lawrence
And We go up the stairs because it was a jailer's residence and a jail connected together. So we go up the stairs of jailer's residence and the owner's like, that clock's working. It hasn't worked in like two to three months now because it's not balanced. It's one of old clocks. We had to get the weights balanced in or else they wouldn't work.
00:45:46
Austin Lawrence
were like... That's strange. He was like, yeah, and that painting fell on top of it. So this painting just had like the the wire just ripped and it falls down on top of this clock and it starts the clock. And what time is it? It's 1111 on the clock, the exact second that it is in real life. And I'm just like, what is going on?
00:46:02
Austin Lawrence
I still don't know. It still bugs me to this day.
00:46:07
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man, that is strange. and It's really funny that you mentioned about the time because at the weekend, one of our guys was doing a solo investigation and we were looking on the NBR watching him.
00:46:24
Lee Hatfield
And my colleague said, how how long is it before we finish? and And we do have Ovilus 5, but obviously, yeah we don't take it as gospel.
00:46:34
Austin Lawrence
Oh.
00:46:35
Lee Hatfield
what And before we either of us looked at the stopwatch, because we're doing it for 30 minutes, the Ovilus comes before nine minutes. And we looked down at the stopwatch, and it was like eight minutes and 22 seconds left
00:46:49
Austin Lawrence
Oh, it's for Oli.
00:46:51
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, hang on a minute. Yes, with the Ovilus, you don't take every word as gospel, you and you don't you don't fit the word into what the investigation.
00:46:57
Austin Lawrence
Mm hmm.
00:47:01
Lee Hatfield
the we
00:47:01
Austin Lawrence
Right, right, right.
00:47:02
Lee Hatfield
It's the other way around. But for that to come out with that and that precise time, yeah like what are what are the odds? What are the chances? it's It was right really bizarre.
00:47:11
Austin Lawrence
That's awesome.
00:47:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. OK, so Austin, we are coming towards the end of the podcast, unfortunately. i could talk to you all night.
Future Plans and Conclusion
00:47:19
Lee Hatfield
and But what what's on the horizon for Austin Lawrence? What have you got planned for the future?
00:47:25
Austin Lawrence
So we're going to continue your filming. Like I said, season one, it will be out probably next year and there will actually be a book with it. season we'll have a book and the plans for the book is it's going to have the history of every single location, all of our notes on the locations, the hotspots, everything you'll want to know, all the stories, death certificates, all that stuff thrown in there so that people can also pick it up and, um, and,
00:47:50
Austin Lawrence
you know, learn about some new locations and if they want to go investigate, there's your guide and, uh, have fun.
00:47:57
Lee Hatfield
That will be pretty cool. When when are you expecting it to to actually come out into the public domain?
00:48:03
Austin Lawrence
Uh, sometime before 2030. I,
00:48:09
Austin Lawrence
i
00:48:09
Lee Hatfield
Okay. Okay.
00:48:10
Austin Lawrence
I can't say for certain because we're looking at 12 episodes and I am the, you know, I'm, I'm the, i the the cinematographer, the videographer, the editor, the sound design, everything. So it's one man doing everything from reviewing evidence to putting it together. So there's no telling. And I work a full-time job. so
00:48:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, i it's it's it's one of those scenarios where your full-time job's getting in the way of your part-time career.
00:48:38
Austin Lawrence
Exactly. Yes.
00:48:40
Lee Hatfield
i mean
00:48:40
Austin Lawrence
Yes. That's what I'm running into now. So we'll see.
00:48:42
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:48:44
Austin Lawrence
Hopefully soon.
00:48:45
Lee Hatfield
man. Okay, I'm looking forward to that. So, Austin, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to talk to you You've had some really amazing and fantastic stories. I wish you well, and hopefully your first season comes out before 2030.
00:48:58
Lee Hatfield
twenty thirty
00:49:01
Lee Hatfield
I'll come on back and keep keep pushing you to ignore the full-time job.
00:49:03
Austin Lawrence
a
00:49:06
Lee Hatfield
Let's do this.
00:49:08
Austin Lawrence
Right, right, right.
00:49:08
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah But my friend, I absolutely thank you for your time. It's been an absolute pleasure.
00:49:14
Austin Lawrence
Oh, no.
00:49:14
Lee Hatfield
And thank you very much.
00:49:15
Austin Lawrence
Thank you. it's It's been a pleasure and an honor.
00:49:17
Lee Hatfield
That's it.
00:49:18
Austin Lawrence
Thank you.
00:49:19
Lee Hatfield
Take care, my friend.
00:49:20
Austin Lawrence
You too.