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S1 E25 Chris Moore UFO Investigator
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In this week’s episode I am delighted to speak with Chris Moore, UFO Investigator
Chris and I start off talking about Project Blue Book, HG Wells, War of the Worlds and Jules Verne.
Chris then explains about what evidence makes a good UFO siting, we decided we both want a DAP Camera, and what is the most likely explanation for UFO’s.
We finish off with discussing the Galileo Project, Conspiracy theories and is there life on other planets
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Chris Moore and His UFO Journey
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight I'm delighted to have with me Chris Moore, who is a UFO investigator.
00:00:23
Lee Hatfield
Chris, welcome, good evening.
00:00:25
Chris Moore
Well, thank you, Leah. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm absolutely thrilled. This is going to
00:00:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and let's not tell anybody about the technical issues that we've had for the last 45 minutes.
00:00:34
Chris Moore
be fun. That's right.
00:00:36
Chris Moore
No, we just logged in. It was flawless.
00:00:36
Lee Hatfield
They don't want to know about that.
00:00:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so Chris, if you want to just start off just by yeah telling us a little bit about yourself and how you got interested in UFOs, and then we'll take it from there.
00:00:53
Chris Moore
Yeah, well, I've been interested in UFOs. I'll go that way because I've been interested in that since I was small. I can't remember the beginnings of it all. I remember as a kid, family sitting around telling stories at campfires.
00:01:06
Chris Moore
My grandma and my dad and mom used to always like watching for satellites when we were camping in Ontario. So I remember always hearing stories around the fire and hearing stories around the yeah where the parties and get-togethers.
00:01:18
Chris Moore
I was always interested in it. I remember in... It must have late 70s. They had a TV show that was sort of based on Project Blue Book. and I remember I would make my mom let me watch it every Sunday night, but it gave me nightmares. I was terrified of what the show showed, but I had to watch every week.
00:01:35
Chris Moore
So I was always interested.
From Intelligence to UFO Investigation
00:01:37
Chris Moore
and at My local ah public library, i grew up in a little town about an hour outside Toronto, and my little public library had a very small sort of paranormal ah ah section, occult and paranormal they had.
00:01:47
Chris Moore
And i read every single book in there over and over. It's to the point where when they updated their catalog, they gave me their old books because no one else, I was renewing them more than anyone else ever read them.
00:01:58
Chris Moore
So I had all their old books.
00:01:58
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:02:00
Chris Moore
So i was always interested in it. But you know as as life went on and had to find a career, I started working in investigations. I worked as an intelligence officer for CSIS.
00:02:11
Chris Moore
And then I moved to the provincial government in Alberta, where I worked as as a human rights investigator. And now I work in education, and I'm about to move on to consumer investigations, actually. So I've been always working as sort of an investigation side of things.
00:02:24
Chris Moore
And I just kind of you know followed along the the UFO world sort of from a distance and kind of didn't really watch it too much or pay attention too much. And then we my wife and I moved out to the country in 2018 to an acreage outside Edmonton, about an hour outside Edmonton. And we started, you know, we could see the sky a lot more than we could in in town.
00:02:45
Chris Moore
And we started almost immediately seeing things out here. And i started started remembering all the things as a kid that I had read, was interested in. And sort of parallel to all this, I'd always wanted as a hobby to have sort of a podcast or tell stories. And and I thought, you know, this might be the way to combine the investigation background I had with my interest in this sort of stuff.
00:03:05
Chris Moore
And so I started kind of putting together a little little sort of podcast about that. So kind of came into it kind of from two different angles at the same time, I guess.
00:03:14
Lee Hatfield
Right. And yeah I always loved how people have different avenues on how they got interested in it. And yesterday, the wife and I were watching this really hokey 1950s sci-fi movie movie, and it had these UFOs coming in. It's sort of like...
00:03:32
Chris Moore
Yeah. That's
00:03:33
Lee Hatfield
You could tell that they're like three foot off the ground. It's like, yeah, that's not that's not how it is.
00:03:36
Chris Moore
right.
00:03:39
Chris Moore
yeah
00:03:40
Lee Hatfield
So one thing that i vote well one thing that I've always been interested in is like UFOs and the unknown and the paranormal.
Historical Context and Influence of Alien Stories
00:03:50
Lee Hatfield
And I actually did some research, but I already knew the answer, which is really bizarre, on the very first alien story.
00:04:01
Lee Hatfield
to ever to be written.
00:04:03
Chris Moore
Okay.
00:04:04
Lee Hatfield
would you Would you have any idea who wrote that?
00:04:04
Chris Moore
Wow. Wow. Well, depends on, I guess, wow, I guess it depends on what you call an alien story, but there's some very, very old, old ones.
00:04:15
Chris Moore
Like, do you count Ezekiel in the Bible who saw the the wheels in the sky as an account?
00:04:16
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, well, okay.
00:04:20
Chris Moore
There are...
00:04:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, if i say if I say invasion from Mars, that might give you an idea.
00:04:26
Chris Moore
Oh, Vision from the Nerds, the sci-fi story?
00:04:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so HG...
00:04:30
Chris Moore
Oh, H.G. Wells. You're talking about H.G.
00:04:31
Lee Hatfield
what Yeah.
00:04:31
Chris Moore
Wells. Yeah.
00:04:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. well War of the Worlds. And like I'm a big HG Wells fan.
00:04:35
Chris Moore
yeah Oh, yes. ah Okay.
00:04:38
Lee Hatfield
And for that was 1897.
00:04:41
Chris Moore
Yes.
00:04:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, to have the first...
00:04:42
Chris Moore
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:04:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:04:44
Chris Moore
And I think roughly about the same time Jules Verne had the first Men on the Moon, I think.
00:04:45
Lee Hatfield
bit before our time, I have to say.
00:04:50
Lee Hatfield
Yes.
00:04:51
Chris Moore
So it was kind of in the same period.
00:04:52
Lee Hatfield
Yes.
00:04:53
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:04:55
Lee Hatfield
And it's it's interesting that it's...
00:04:55
Chris Moore
And they encountered the Moon dudes.
00:04:58
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, yeah.
Challenges in UFO Sightings and Evidence
00:04:59
Lee Hatfield
And it's interesting that people have, yeah, these stories have grown, there's been more evidence, but there's not really been any concrete clarification.
00:05:11
Chris Moore
no
00:05:12
Lee Hatfield
It's always been, but it could well, it could be this, it could be that, yeah, excel yeah and and that's what's missing, yeah, 100% clarification.
00:05:22
Chris Moore
Yeah, and and I don't know that we're going to ever, ever get 100% clarification. That is exactly what's missing. And this is why I thought like intelligence work fits perfectly into this sort of thing, because intelligence operates in sort of a gray world of probabilities. like The balance of probabilities look like this might be what's going on, whereas like the criminal investigation side, it's like there's a person, they did something, here's the facts.
00:05:45
Chris Moore
the The UFO, UAP thing, it kind of falls into that gray probabilities thing. There are hundreds of sightings every year. i spoke to One of the people I spoke to was Chris Rutkowski, who does the survey, the Canadian UFO survey every year.
00:05:57
Chris Moore
And he was saying, the old the last year there was about 800 sightings in Canada that got reported. Of those, it's almost every year, roughly the same percent, about somewhere between 10 and 8% are not explainable.
00:06:10
Chris Moore
The rest can kind of get explained as stars or shooting stars or Starlink satellites or drones or whatever. But there's always that little fraction that can't be explained. and And it's whether can't explain with what we know now or whether they just can't be explained.
00:06:25
Chris Moore
I don't know. And you always have to live with a little bit of uncertainty in that world. There's always going to be that little bit of uncertainty. Yeah.
00:06:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, i i do I do love it when you go onto some ah you watch some of these TV shows and yeah unexplained caught on camera and people are filming this footage and you're going, yeah, that's the Starlink train.
00:06:47
Lee Hatfield
Like, no.
00:06:49
Chris Moore
That happens a lot.
00:06:49
Lee Hatfield
Because people don't yeah have pi people don't know.
00:06:50
Chris Moore
A lot of them are that.
00:06:53
Lee Hatfield
And it's like it's people like yourself that have to try to
00:06:53
Chris Moore
no That's right.
00:06:58
Lee Hatfield
prove the existence. It's like me doing investigating for ghosts and spirits. There's a lot of stuff that happens that's unexplained, but you can't put your finger on it and prove that particular existence.
00:07:14
Lee Hatfield
And that's what makes it fun.
00:07:14
Chris Moore
Yeah. That's right. That's exactly right. That's what it makes it keeps it a yeah mystery this whole time.
00:07:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:20
Chris Moore
i read I remember years and years ago, and maybe 30 years ago, I read Carl Jung, the psychologist, wrote a book on flying saucers.
00:07:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:28
Chris Moore
Just towards the end of his life, he wrote this book. and and he He summed it up nicely, and I think makes that's what makes it all worth it investigating. He said, this is happening around the world, these these flying saucers back in the 40s and 50s.
00:07:39
Chris Moore
Either it's a real thing and it needs to be investigated, or there's a mass... delusion or something's going on where all over the world people are seeing something in which case it needs to be investigated so on either way something's going on that needs to be investigated so I think it's it's worth looking into no matter what
00:07:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:58
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
Focus on Canadian UFO Research
00:07:59
Lee Hatfield
So are you one of these people that people will contact you and say, I think I've seen a UFO? Or are you the cut the type of person that investigates already recorded incidents?
00:08:16
Chris Moore
It's a bit of both. i'm I'm only at the beginning of the people contacting me sort of stuff. I would like that. Yes, I'd like that very much. I'll just sort of get into that kind of thing. But one of the other people I've spoken to is Christian Stepien, who's the the chief technical officer at the you know the National UFO Reporting Center in the United States.
00:08:34
Chris Moore
and they have no one in Canada looking into any of their Canadian sightings. And so he's been kind of giving me here, don't you go to look at this one? Why don't you go look at this one? So they're fairly new, but they were reported there and they kind of get fed to me to go take a peek at them.
00:08:46
Chris Moore
it's kind of a bit of both. and Some of those older ones, like the big, big famous ones, like Roswell or in Canada, like Shag Harbor or Stefan Moholik in Manitoba in 1967.
00:08:57
Chris Moore
Those are very, very well investigated already. It's kind of, you know, There's a lot of things that people know about them and there's a lot of still a lot of unknowns about those sort of cases. And it doesn't really, it would be me adding to more noise if I looked into those as well.
00:09:10
Chris Moore
But there's certainly a lot going on now, like since just this last Christmas, the whole drone thing that was happening everywhere.
00:09:11
Lee Hatfield
yeah.
00:09:17
Chris Moore
i mean, that was a very interesting moment.
00:09:18
Lee Hatfield
oh yeah.
00:09:19
Chris Moore
So there's certain lot of the things happening now still that are going on that that need new eyes.
00:09:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so I might be telling you something that you don't know.
00:09:31
Chris Moore
it
00:09:32
Lee Hatfield
However, there's a very good finder a friend of mine that lives out in Nova Scotia and is an ex-RCMP officer. And he created a ah ah company, if you like, called PPRI, the Paranormal Phenomena Research and Investigation.
00:09:51
Lee Hatfield
So they do courses on ghosts and poltergeists, and they have a guy called Chris Stiles.
00:09:58
Chris Moore
Thank you.
00:09:58
Lee Hatfield
I don't know if you met him. He investigates the Shag Cove incident. But what PPRI have done recently, they've created a ah ah unit, if you like, called the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Unit mandate.
00:10:14
Lee Hatfield
And they actually are investigating UFOs in Canada. Have you actually heard of them?
00:10:20
Chris Moore
I have heard of them, actually, and I watched your interview with with the the head of the that program just the other day on YouTube. So I do know them, and actually, Andrew, who's their guy who's in charge of their UAP division, I'm speaking to him.
00:10:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:10:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:10:34
Chris Moore
was supposed to speak to him last week, and it didn't happen, so I'm going to be speaking to him in the next week or so. And he's an interesting fellow. He was in the military out here in the prairies and and caught a few things on radar that are of interest.
00:10:45
Chris Moore
um So yeah, I do know them very well. Yeah, I don't know them know them, but but I certainly have heard of them.
00:10:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah See?
00:10:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. It just proves how much of a very small world it is.
00:10:53
Chris Moore
ah you know it's
00:10:54
Lee Hatfield
So like, yeah, I know them, you know them, and then we know them.
00:10:55
Chris Moore
It is a very small world. yeah and that looks in a small world it's It's a very
00:10:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure. Okay.
Podcast Growth and Audience Interest
00:11:00
Chris Moore
friendly world.
00:11:00
Chris Moore
because because i can tell you Before I started this, i was just because I wanted to do something and I wanted something I could do from my basement without having to go anywhere, I did ah i started a history podcast on rock music. and so i like was following but First season's the 50s, second season will be the 60s, Elvis and Hal, just bit by bit.
00:11:18
Chris Moore
And I contacted a lot of Canadian producers, DJs, musicians, and no one wants to talk to me. No one will talk to you because, you know, who are you? You're just some guy. But in this world, everyone wants to talk. Everyone's open to sharing. And and and really, that's how things get.
00:11:33
Chris Moore
That's how knowledge is spread. It's the openness and the sharing of it. It's not hoarding things. It's keeping open open channels with everyone. And this world, it's very, very open. Everyone is so friendly and so accommodating. It's it's amazed to me.
00:11:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, i I couldn't agree more because I started this podcast in February and I was thinking, how am I going to get all this content? We're now starting June.
00:11:57
Lee Hatfield
on I've released episode 17, I believe. This month, I've got another 11 interviews and I've got enough content to last me until October already.
00:12:10
Chris Moore
That's incredible.
00:12:11
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, yeah, people are just coming out the woodwork.
00:12:11
Chris Moore
it's true
00:12:14
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, i I started off going biweekly and I'm now going weekly because I've got that much content.
00:12:21
Chris Moore
That's amazing.
00:12:21
Chris Moore
yeah
00:12:21
Lee Hatfield
And it's ridiculous.
00:12:22
Lee Hatfield
It's crazy. So I'll definitely yeah put you in touch with a few people.
00:12:25
Chris Moore
and
00:12:28
Chris Moore
Fantastic, I would really appreciate that.
00:12:29
Lee Hatfield
Most definitely.
00:12:30
Chris Moore
Yeah, I was amazed by how quickly people were getting back to me that I was like, oh, I'll never hear from these people. Like I said, the rock world, and this was about a year ago now, year and a bit, I just one night said, I started emailing Geddy Lee's agent and Alanis Morissette's agent and DJs and producers and a few, I talked to a few and it really interesting discussions, but most just never heard from ever again.
00:12:53
Chris Moore
And then this, almost everyone I've sent out an email to, I've spoken to.
00:12:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:12:56
Chris Moore
It's been incredible.
00:12:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, like I've got a guy who's, a in fact, it's two people that have actually encountered alien abductions.
00:13:06
Chris Moore
Oh, interesting.
00:13:06
Lee Hatfield
So I've not actually interviewed them yet, but that's going to be extremely good fun and interesting.
00:13:15
Chris Moore
Yeah, I've never spoken to anyone who's gone through that sort of thing.
00:13:16
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah.
00:13:18
Chris Moore
and That is interesting.
00:13:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and and i I was just talking about UFOs and then he came out with. The time that I got abducted, I'm like, I'm sorry, what? So that's going to be another interview, so that'll be really exciting.
Evaluating UFO Evidence and Detection Gadgets
00:13:33
Lee Hatfield
So if somebody reaches out to you or you come across a ah ah potential sighting, what kind of evidence do you consider when you're investigating UFOs?
00:13:47
Chris Moore
Yeah, you know, photos are always great, course, but but it's a funny thing. The way everyone has a camera on their phones, and the cameras are very good on our phones these days, but they're not good at taking pictures of lights in the sky.
00:13:58
Chris Moore
They just don't turn out. they They're shaky, or you can't see them, or people always zoom in and you can't see anything but blur. So they're not great photographs. Usually panned out photos. Like if you can see the skylines, you can get some kind of scale. That's nice.
00:14:10
Chris Moore
other than that, if other people are witnessed, it seems like a lot of sightings, and then this I'm going back to the Canadian UFO survey here, but a lot of sightings are individuals on their own, not very often backed up by anyone else.
00:14:21
Chris Moore
So if there's someone else around who sees it, that's always good. Some people who have the you know the sort of the wherewithal think, okay, what direction am I looking? What time is it? That helps as well to kind of narrow and pinpoint things down. Those sorts of things are always good.
00:14:33
Chris Moore
But most of the time, it's just sort of pay attention when you're looking. Like, how high do you think it was? Hold your hand. Was it three fingers above the horizon or six fingers? little Little things that i just kind of help. It can help it narrow narrow down. was it Was it a plane? Was it a drone? Was it a but balloon?
00:14:48
Chris Moore
sorts of things kind of help.
00:14:50
Lee Hatfield
Cool. So do you have like a go-to UFO bag, yeah investigation bag? So with all your gadgets and your cameras or toys or whatever in?
00:15:02
Lee Hatfield
LAUGHTER
00:15:02
Chris Moore
I wish I could say yes, that'd be so cool, but I don't. it's just Same stuff I use every day. It'll be my phone, which has, I have a ah little GIS program so I can use like mapping to make notes on, it's it's an actually an engineering program for free, like an open source engineering program, but I use it for this sort of thing where, okay, well, I'm standing here looking this direction and it has real-world satellite imagery I can put notes on, almost like a Google Maps for your phone that you use yourself.
00:15:28
Chris Moore
I use that. I have all the usual programs and apps that everyone has, like the flight trackers, you can see, okay, what planes are going on, the Heavens Above, so you can see what are the constellations at this time, or star systems or whatever.
00:15:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:15:40
Chris Moore
Lots of satellite tracking programs because there's so much junk floating around up there that could be easily misidentified as you know something anomalous.
00:15:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:15:50
Chris Moore
Yeah, the usual stuff.
00:15:50
Lee Hatfield
i
00:15:51
Chris Moore
I wish I had something cool, but I don't.
00:15:53
Lee Hatfield
Well, i did see one TV show that I think it was called Adapt Camera, which basically scans the skies. And if it sees something, it will go, this is an aircraft.
00:16:04
Lee Hatfield
This is a drone.
00:16:06
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:16:06
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, this is this is unidentified. I want one of them. But they're about, well, the wife looked into it and they're a couple of thousand dollars.
00:16:10
Chris Moore
Yes.
00:16:14
Lee Hatfield
So it's like, maybe for Christmas, but what not like just now.
00:16:18
Chris Moore
No, unfortunately, my budget doesn't allow for that kind of thing.
00:16:21
Chris Moore
to I am actually, yeah and that's someone else I'm speaking to in the States, the UFO or UAP DAP guys who who make them. I'm speaking to them.
00:16:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:29
Chris Moore
He's put me in touch with some people in Canada who have them. A couple of them reached out. They're still hesitant of whether they want to talk or not because a lot of them have their own personal stories of things they've experienced and they're not sure if they want to share yet or not.
00:16:40
Chris Moore
But I'm working on a couple of them. I'm more interested in just their experience with the the the device. Like, how does it work? have has it Has it been a lot of misidentifications or how does that was it all how does that whole thing work?
00:16:51
Chris Moore
Because they look really neat.
00:16:52
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, so if you get the chance to get a DAPT camera, get me one too, okay?
00:16:56
Chris Moore
Okay, I'll work on it.
00:16:56
Lee Hatfield
That's that's the deal.
00:16:57
Chris Moore
You bet. Okay, you bet.
00:16:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. yeah so yeah
00:16:59
Chris Moore
i I was wondering how hard it would be to make one. you know i was looking at them and thinking, okay, there's a few devices here, but our phones have most of the apps that you can use to identify things. I was wondering how hard it would be to make one, but powering it is the issue.
00:17:12
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so, i'll ah ah yeah, oh if I give you a week, I expect you to do some homework and come back to me and let me know how doable this is.
00:17:21
Chris Moore
it'll be It'll be me in a chair with my phone is what it'll be.
00:17:22
Lee Hatfield
So,
00:17:23
Chris Moore
That's right.
00:17:24
Lee Hatfield
yeah that and that chair rotates as well so you can go around in circles.
00:17:25
Chris Moore
Yeah, that's right. That's right. right
00:17:30
Lee Hatfield
yeah So we i know you've spoken about drones, you've spoken about Chinese lanterns, but in your personal opinion, what do you think is the most likely explanation for unidentified flying objects if they're not of alien in nature?
Common Misidentifications in UFO Sightings
00:17:50
Chris Moore
Sure. Yeah, I would say, it's funny enough, but lately drones seem to be a big thing, like personal hobby drones. They're everywhere. I live, like I said, an hour outside the city of the country, and every now and then I see one flying over, and I don't know who the heck out here has one.
00:18:01
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:18:04
Chris Moore
People, I guess farmers may use it to patrol their fields. I don't know. But they're everywhere. They're everywhere. So they are very common. And you also mentioned the Starlink thing. A lot of people are seeing them and not knowing what they are.
00:18:16
Chris Moore
Whether it's the train itself right after launch before they sort of slowly disperse, or I guess this newest thing that people are kind of aware of are the ones that are sort of in geosynchronous orbit catch the sun every now and then and flare up. So you see like a bright flare.
00:18:30
Chris Moore
and since there's so many, I lost count of how many Starlink satellites are up there now. There'll be a lot of these little flares happening, I guess, all over the place.
00:18:37
Chris Moore
You or you have to see that at the right time. But so they're going to be out there too. Yeah, so I think those those drones, Starlink, are probably the two biggest things right now that a lot of people are seeing and not understanding what they're seeing.
00:18:37
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah.
00:18:50
Chris Moore
Especially drones because they flap, they they move, they buzz around, they flash.
00:18:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because...
00:18:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. Because I've got a friend that lives out, because I'm i'm in Ottawa, so I've got a friend who lives just outside in the sticks and you go into his garden and he's a big UFO spotter. He's ah ah he's big into his astronomy and he's showing me all the constellations.
00:19:12
Lee Hatfield
And then one night we did actually see skyly yeah the train going past and it's like it was so obvious and it was so cool to see because you don't see them all the time.
00:19:21
Chris Moore
yeah Yeah. I remember the first time seeing when I had just come home from the, I work in the city and I had just come home, the sun was just going down and I saw a satellite going overhead and out here where I am, they always go on the same path.
00:19:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:34
Chris Moore
It's always sort of, sort of Southwest to Northeast here. They fly over that way almost every single time. And I saw the first time ever seeing it, saw a satellite, it was really bright satellite. then one like a few seconds behind it. there's another one that's funny it's the same path then another one another one and it took me a minute to realize oh I read about these and then since then I see the the cheat trains in a little bunch and I see them as they slowly spread out so I see them quite often here but one that speak if someone's seeing them we have some horses here so every fall we don't have enough land to grow hay so we have hay delivered and every fall this farmer guy brings them and he comes after hours and brings it at night
00:20:07
Chris Moore
And I was telling him, well I think that there's a starling going over a train sometimes right about now. and he goes, what's that? I said, oh, what's these satellites? Well, look, they are now. he looked up and he could not believe his eyes. There's little, you know, you do the train of lights, like like a little bus going across the sky.
00:20:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:21
Chris Moore
He couldn't believe it. And if I hadn't told him what it was, he wouldn't have known. He would have lost his mind.
00:20:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And that's it.
00:20:28
Chris Moore
So, yeah, they are pretty impressive.
00:20:28
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, i do I do find that some people are completely oblivious to technology. Yeah, okay, they know who Elon Musk is. They know what SpaceX is.
00:20:41
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:20:42
Lee Hatfield
But when they see something like that in the sky, it's like, what the hell is that?
00:20:46
Chris Moore
That's right.
00:20:47
Lee Hatfield
And they've got no idea.
00:20:47
Chris Moore
That's exactly right.
Conspiracy Theories and Government Involvement
00:20:48
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:20:49
Lee Hatfield
So talking about SpaceX and stuff, I know at the at the beginning of the year, they kind they had like an open government agreement discussion, shall we say.
00:21:03
Lee Hatfield
And I remember one of the comments was, know, can you confirm the existence of alien life? And this guy actually blatantly came out and said, i cannot answer that question.
00:21:16
Lee Hatfield
What does that kind of mean to you?
00:21:20
Chris Moore
Yeah, it's it's the funny thing about the UFO, UAP world is you can fall down into it very quickly and lose all touch with reality. and Like, oh my God, this oh my God, they're covering this up. Oh, they're using the technology for this.
00:21:32
Chris Moore
And then you pull back for a second and you start looking at who's saying it and where they're getting their information from. Sometimes, and that's specific in these specific instances, the stories can kind of go back to the same origins. Like they didn't see it themselves, but someone told them about it and who told them about Well, someone who read this article. And it always goes back to the same kind of beginnings, which are themselves are questionable. So I don't know.
00:21:55
Chris Moore
When I see these hearings, I sometimes wonder, okay, what is really happening here? Because I don't know that we're getting anything solid. We're kind of getting rehashed old stories, repackaged and brought it back again. Now, that being said,
00:22:08
Chris Moore
I don't know. I don't know. I go back and forth on this. and It happens like like everything else in the UFO world. It's one of one thing or it's one of the other thing, but both are interesting. So do I like we do we do i believe the government is hiding things?
00:22:22
Chris Moore
Yeah, like they hide all kinds of things. Sometimes not deliberately. Sometimes just the way bureaucracies work, you don't even know what you don't know sometimes and things are just buried in there. And when it comes to the United States government and the UFO situation,
00:22:34
Chris Moore
i I don't know. Oftentimes i get a sense that if they are covering up, it's more covering up their own ignorance of things than anything else because they would cause such panic if people knew that these things are intruding in our airspace, things are flying around our nuclear sites or other ships, and we don't know what they are.
00:22:51
Chris Moore
So instead we'll downplay it.
00:22:52
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:22:54
Chris Moore
At the same time, there's there's I'll go back for a second here. There's an old line I remember from a Ian Fleming, James Bond book I read way back when I was kid. I think Goldfinger. And it was, if it happens once, it's happenstance. If it happens twice, it's coincidence. But if it happens three times, it's enemy action.
00:23:10
Chris Moore
And there been so many times over the years in the UFO world, with the military, where, oh, all the reports got lost or all the communications were deleted, even though they're not supposed to be. And it keeps happening.
00:23:20
Chris Moore
Happens too many times to be an accident or a one-off. So start thinking, okay, what's going on here?
00:23:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:23:26
Chris Moore
So yeah, I don't know that they have technology because if they did, why aren't they using it? Like if these countries have the access, to why aren't they using it to, you know, why is our economy in such a bad shape when we could have all these things that they could, they could even sell and make a lot of money. I don't know.
00:23:42
Chris Moore
ah ah It seems like there's there's, it's not being used if they had it. at the same time, why is there such an active coverup? And it seems like there is. So it's, yeah, I go both ways. so You don't know.
00:23:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:23:54
Lee Hatfield
Okay, yeah. yeah cause And that's really weird because yeah yeah you mentioned about yeah potential for cover-ups and things, but yeah do they have something but they don't know what they've got?
00:24:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that could be one of the things as well. And then you mentioned about technology, but then people think that the stealth aircraft is alien technology.
00:24:23
Lee Hatfield
So,
00:24:23
Chris Moore
Yeah, and I certainly heard that. And certainly back when when the the bomber and then the fighter came out back in whatever that was, the 90s, I guess, late 90s, maybe. everyone Everyone said those were the triangles that people were seeing all this time. It was testing of those.
00:24:36
Chris Moore
But they seem to be testing them in strange places, if that is true, like Belgium and... you know over over cities and okay, well why are you testing them where everyone can see you testing it? That's not very secret.
00:24:47
Chris Moore
So I have heard that sort of thing as well. like I always hear things like, well, the Russians have exact same information that the Americans have and the same access. They've also been in contact with aliens, with alien technology, at but the same time, like they they're struggling in whatever they're trying to do in Ukraine. Like, why aren't they...
00:25:04
Chris Moore
or why did they Or why did they struggle in Afghanistan? or why They could have done more and they didn't. So why not? Why hold back? I don't know.
00:25:15
Chris Moore
I'm more inclined to think, and this only comes from my own working in the government, you can't keep secrets.
00:25:16
Lee Hatfield
You should be.
00:25:21
Chris Moore
You can't. it just
00:25:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:25:23
Chris Moore
it
00:25:24
Lee Hatfield
So one thing that I always used to find really funny was the definition of a UFO.
Defining UFOs and Future Research Approaches
00:25:32
Lee Hatfield
So people are like, OK, if you don't know what it is, it's unidentified.
00:25:38
Lee Hatfield
If it's in the sky, it's flying. If it's on the land, it's not flying. So then you just got an know from the UFO because, yeah okay, you recognize it, you take that away.
00:25:49
Lee Hatfield
It's flying, but it's landed. You take that away. So you've now got an object.
00:25:53
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:25:53
Lee Hatfield
So what would be your definition of a stereotypical UFO or an unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP? Yeah.
00:26:04
Chris Moore
yeah For me, the the the UAP, particularly because of the anomalous part, it has to be different than what normally gets seen. And certainly certainly and the the biggest, most generic version, yeah, it could be anything anything, a light object, anything moving around in the sky, and we don't know what it is.
00:26:20
Chris Moore
The anomalous part kind of adds to it, but it's out of the ordinary as well. So for me, it's got to be something like moving at angles or at speeds that, you know something floating the wind shouldn't be moving. and that inquires a little bit more investigation than simply seeing it. So the most generic level is just seeing something that you're right, you don't know what it is.
00:26:38
Chris Moore
I think it takes a little bit more to that, though.
00:26:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:26:40
Chris Moore
It has to be something that's acting or behaving in ways that... either look like they're controlled or are not in our own possible physics at the moment. Like we can't move at those angles or those speeds, or we can't go to the horizon and back or up to 80,000 feet and down in a second, things like that, that are just outside of what we can practically do with our own technology right now.
00:27:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah And I think a perfect example of that is the TikTok video. yeah Two professionals in an aircraft seeing something at whatever thousand feet they were at, they couldn't identify it, and it was doing things outside of normal phenomena.
00:27:23
Chris Moore
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:24
Lee Hatfield
So perfect example.
00:27:26
Chris Moore
Yeah. and And actually, that's also a good example of of where what's important to me in the whole process as well, which is the witnesses. And I know Witness testimony is never trustworthy, as we know in criminal from watching Law and Order or whatever. We always tell you, can't trust witnesses, but they're a big part of this. Obviously, humans are a big part of the story of what we're what's going on, of what we see and how we interpret it.
00:27:46
Chris Moore
And in those cases, it's particularly important. I've read all the Metabunk website where they debunk those sightings and say, here's what it is. It's a jet at a distance. But we're talking about professional pilots who are trained to identify those sorts of things in a blink.
00:28:00
Chris Moore
You got to trust their own witness testimony that they have seen something that's not what normally they would see. They would know a plane. You would think they would know a plane signature.
00:28:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:28:10
Chris Moore
This wasn't that. So the witness testimony as well is important to think in those cases.
00:28:12
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:28:14
Chris Moore
But yeah, that the Tic Tac is a great one. I think is it the Tic Tac or the Go Fast, the one that goes in the water and out again. Or that's the one in Puerto Rico, the Aqua Dia one in Puerto Rico.
00:28:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:28:25
Chris Moore
the the The water part really fascinating to me because now that I think, when they start talking about these submerged objects that they've also seen been seeing, I started thinking about all the stories from like Unsolved Mysteries as a kid and onwards, and there are a lot of water-based things. Now that think about it, in the ocean or the Great Lakes or or or a lot of round water bodies, there's a lot of water-based things.
00:28:45
Chris Moore
So I think that's interesting as well.
00:28:49
Lee Hatfield
And you've just actually taken away one of my next kind of questions about USOs, unidentified submersible objects. That was never used to be a thing in modern day like language.
00:29:03
Lee Hatfield
But now it's used as often as what UFO and UAP are.
00:29:07
Chris Moore
Definitely, definitely. I think it's Richard Dolan is a historian of the UFO world and he just has ah and he's done some amazing books in the past and i a brand new one just came out only about the submerged object phenomenon because it's it is fascinating too.
00:29:20
Chris Moore
And think about the the big famous one in Canada is the Shag Harbor one that went into the ocean and everyone thought, it crashed.
00:29:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:25
Chris Moore
But Maybe it didn't. Maybe if we were thinking about submerged things, maybe there's something submerged that's going on.
00:29:28
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:31
Chris Moore
But yeah, the water thing is fascinating to me as well. And I don't know why. Well, I think I do know why actually, and it has to do with a lot of the things is that our our detection equipment has also improved dramatically over the last few decades. And we are more aware of, we're monitoring oceans for let' sea level rise, for storms brewing. And so we're monitoring things a lot more closely, even outside the military than we had before.
00:29:54
Chris Moore
So I think we're starting to to see a lot more. Same with the aerial phenomenon. After that Chinese balloon incident, I think NORAD has stepped up their their monitoring abilities and now they're picking up a lot more than they ever did before because we fine tuning our monitoring of the skies. And so I think over time, our own detection equipment is also improving, so we're seeing more.
00:30:17
Lee Hatfield
I completely lost for words now. ah That was a great answer. It completely threw me. So what do you what do you think the future holds for UFO research? like Because obviously the government are doing their bit, and if we can believe them, yay or nay, there's a lot more reporting because people have the technology right in their pocket now.
00:30:37
Chris Moore
yeah
00:30:37
Lee Hatfield
So what do you think the future holds for concrete UFO research?
00:30:42
Chris Moore
Well, I definitely think that the citizen-based approach is very good. there's I talked to a fellow named Alejandro Rojas, who's a writer in the United States, who's done some shows and also does an ongoing blog and newsletters. And he's also part of the Enigma app, that app, the yeah private company, they made an app for people to post videos.
00:31:00
Chris Moore
People can make comments. It's almost like Reddit for UFOs. And so that's kind of a handy. I have it on in mine and i look at all the times, it updates me all the time. says someone in your area has seen something and it tells you where and when and you can go look. And the community based thing is really helpful.
00:31:16
Chris Moore
People reporting and people also, you know, debunking, I guess, is also, i guess the way to say it is also helpful. People could say, oh, here, here, and actually, that's, I've seen many of those where someone reports a scott a spiral in the sky says, well, that's because a rocket launch happened over North America and it's wandered over Europe and it's out of control.
00:31:31
Chris Moore
Those kinds of things are very important. So I think the the community-based science is going to be good. Also things like the Galileo Project at Harvard, which is run by Avi Loeb, who's the head of the astrophysics department there.
00:31:42
Chris Moore
And it brings in like hardcore scientists to look at extraterrestrial phenomenon. And it was the Oumuamua comet or whatever that was that triggered him to to look into this stuff.
00:31:54
Chris Moore
But they're looking at all kinds of things. And so I think it's like a serious a scientific look at things is also helping things a lot because before it was always you know ridiculed and it was always like ah pushed aside to get like actual serious scientists writing papers about it and spreading a bit of a knowledge base about it also helps from the more academic side of things.
00:32:12
Chris Moore
In terms of the government, I think, you know, I would like to say yes, they have so much, especially the American military has so much money, they could find things, but I don't know, they they burn their bridges so so often.
00:32:22
Chris Moore
I don't know if we'd ever trust anything they ever say.
00:32:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:32:25
Chris Moore
Everything's always either psyop or it's a cover up or a trick or some sort. So I don't know if we'd ever believe anything that they say.
00:32:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and And that's the problem nowadays. There's so many conspiracy theories and there's so much that people bring out with with AI, for example.
00:32:45
Chris Moore
Oh, gosh.
00:32:45
Lee Hatfield
So, you the good old fashioned Polaroid camera,
00:32:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's perfect evidence. But if someone shows you a video, you've got no way of knowing that it's been tampered with or if it's AI created.
00:32:59
Chris Moore
Yeah, not not as a general user you don't.
00:32:59
Lee Hatfield
And that's, that's caught.
00:33:02
Chris Moore
Yeah, people with their good, you know fantastic editing equipment and background in that area could, but I couldn't.
00:33:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:33:07
Chris Moore
You're right, and we wouldn't, you know. And the AI thing, you're right. it's so If you just happen to cruise onto YouTube and look at any kind of shorts or any videos posted, so much of it just AI generated, and it looks amazing, but then you think, wow, that's amazing.
00:33:19
Chris Moore
Why is no one reported on this in the news? Because, well, it's not real.
00:33:21
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:33:22
Chris Moore
The AI thing is is kind of polluting things a lot, you know.
00:33:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, oh, for sure. And you can say the same in the paranormal world as well. There's so many pictures and videos nowadays. And I call myself a skeptic with with an open mind.
00:33:40
Lee Hatfield
And even I will go, if that door is closing by itself, I want to see what's behind the door. because you only kind of get a snippet of the the video or yeah something that's that's not right.
00:33:45
Chris Moore
Sure.
00:33:51
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:33:52
Lee Hatfield
And yeah even if you want to talk about cryptids, me and the wife have a running joke where, oh my god, there's something over there. Quick, set the camera to blurry. and it's
00:34:03
Chris Moore
That's right.
00:34:04
Chris Moore
That's right.
00:34:04
Lee Hatfield
Because with all this technology, why is everything so blurry?
00:34:08
Lee Hatfield
just does not make any sense.
00:34:10
Chris Moore
It always is. I know one of my favorite comedians is a guy out of Montreal named Ryan George, and he had one of his little skits he made was about aliens and like crop circles. Like we should make circles. That'll show those humans. And so, but we should also appear, but only in front of people with some standard cameras. Yeah.
00:34:26
Chris Moore
That's
00:34:26
Lee Hatfield
See, the that's the answer. That's exactly what we're going to do. So one thing that I've noticed talking to you, you've got some books over your right shoulder.
00:34:30
Chris Moore
right.
00:34:36
Lee Hatfield
So I'm going to ask you some questions. And if you have a book on this subject, I want you to point it out to me.
00:34:43
Chris Moore
Okay, there's a couple other bookcases over here, so I don't know if i can see them all.
00:34:43
Lee Hatfield
sha okay tca Okay, do you have a book on Shag Harbour?
00:34:46
Chris Moore
Okay.
Chris Moore's Favorite Investigations and Cases
00:34:51
Chris Moore
I don't have a book on Shea Harbor. I have an electronic one. I have Kobo with a ton of books in it, and I have some on there, but no physical book on it. No.
00:34:58
Lee Hatfield
i' I was about to tell you to leave then.
00:35:01
Chris Moore
Oh.
00:35:01
Lee Hatfield
but yeah What about Roswell?
00:35:05
Chris Moore
gosh, I did. i don't see it here. I have a bunch of my garage as well. So so I was a PhD student in literature. And so I had books and books and books. And I moved so often that got so annoying to all my family to have to carry all these boxes that I put them in storage. And I bring i rotate them every now and then.
00:35:22
Chris Moore
So it's in there somewhere. I had that one.
00:35:24
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah Okay, so oh I've got whole list, but i won't i won't I won't do that because all we'll see is the back of your head for the next five minutes.
00:35:29
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:35:31
Chris Moore
That's right. I got me looking around.
00:35:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so the fact that you've been doing this for quite a long time, are there any favourite like investigations or favourite incidents that you use uses it as ah ah as a go back to because it's your favourite?
00:35:33
Chris Moore
Yeah.
00:35:50
Chris Moore
Yeah, it's funny. the Well, those three big military ones that came out in 2017 when the New York Times article came out, those three were like world changing for everyone because it led to the the Pentagon admitting, yeah, we've been buzzed by many things. We don't know what they are. So those three are big ones in the u for me in the UFO world.
00:36:08
Chris Moore
The Stefan Mahalik one in Manitoba from 1967 is also an interesting one because you know his clothes were burned, he had radiation burns, and and he never ever said it was aliens. He was certain it was some kind of Apollo related test by the Americans and never thought it was aliens.
00:36:24
Chris Moore
That was a big one as well. And you can still go there. You can still see the site. It's just outside of Winnipeg. So that's another big one. have one of, well, think it's the phone I'm using for my phone. I have as a screenshot of my my my phone, a photograph taken by a police chief in Belgium back in the, i think it was late 80s. He took a photo of a black triangle that was flying overhead. And it's one of the clearest photos I've ever seen of of an object in the sky. and it's a big black triangle with three red whatever they are, jet engines, whatever underneath at each point.
00:36:55
Chris Moore
And it's swiveling as it goes over top of him. And he's grabbed a quick photo of And it's an amazing photo. So I find that one very, very interesting as well. That whole series of events inside of Brussels. But there's so many. ah There's so many that are are big.
00:37:11
Lee Hatfield
So they're the famous ones. I know you've mentioned a couple about when you was a child, but are there any that the ones that you've seen or experienced that, again, are your go to that if people ask you about it, I remember when this happened?
00:37:29
Chris Moore
Sure. Well, personal ones, definitely personal ones. My my wife and I still, I have a video recording of one of them. And we were out feeding the horses. It was like a January night. this wasn' Being in Northern Alberta, it was like minus 33 Celsius. It was so cold.
00:37:44
Chris Moore
So we ran out quickly together to feed the horses. And I had been just telling her that I've been seeing these weird flashes in the sky at night. And ah she had never seen him, didn't really believe me. And as we were talking over our house, all a sudden appeared this light.
00:37:56
Chris Moore
And it would pulse and then flash and then zigzag over one direction doing the same thing and then back and then up and then gone for a bit then back again. And she was like, she couldn't believe it. And we recorded it and we're like, you can hear it was so cold. we sound very slow, but we're like oh my God, that's so weird. Look at that. Oh.
00:38:11
Chris Moore
And that stands out for both. We still talk to her this day about that night when we saw those things. And ever since then, we see them occasionally and we always say, oh, they're back. Oh, there they are. Like we always talk about them and we see them around.
00:38:24
Chris Moore
And then about, gosh, a year ago, I was walking my dogs about sunset and I saw this three lights in a triangle flying way off from north to south, way off to the east of me.
00:38:35
Chris Moore
And As was watching, thought, well, that's strange. I never see three. If it was a satellite, they're in a weird triangle pattern. I never see three together like that. Maybe Starleaf satellites have slowly fallen apart and two of them, they's still i don't know, maybe they're together. They never go in that orbit when I see them.
00:38:50
Chris Moore
And then one of them took a right degree and took off in another direction. And I was like, what is that? And that one, I remember the feeling for days were sitting like, what did I see? That was so bizarre. So it personally, those ones stand out to me get only because I was personally there and saw them.
00:39:05
Chris Moore
Some those big ones though, like the Phoenix lights back in the 90s, those things just blow my mind, because tens of thousands of people saw it.
00:39:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:39:13
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And like you say, there can't be mass delirium for tens of thousands of people to see them.
00:39:18
Chris Moore
No. Yeah, that one's amazing, because some people thought they saw a shape behind it, some people just saw the lights, but they were there for hours, and they were and the whole city saw it.
00:39:21
Lee Hatfield
So...
00:39:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And one thing that I like about being alive in this time period is back in the day, if you mentioned that you as a UFO investigator or yeah i was a paranormal investigator, you would get called nerd, weird, and ah ah lot a lot other more, know, dewogatory comments.
00:39:55
Lee Hatfield
But nowadays, it's getting more and more popular, like we've already mentioned. And the fact that we've got the technology to look at different solar systems and yeah go into thousands and thousands of light years away for us to be the only living species on one planet in one solar system, we've got to be extremely naive
00:40:29
Lee Hatfield
to think that we are the only planet in thousands and millions of other stars and planets in thousands of thousands of solar systems.
00:40:37
Chris Moore
For sure. Definitely not.
00:40:39
Lee Hatfield
what's your What's your opinion on that?
00:40:41
Chris Moore
Definitely not. There's no chance of it whatsoever. there Whether they're here or not, I don't know, but there definitely has to be life elsewhere. Definitely. It's not saudi not even mathematically possible to be. It's almost an infinite number of of planets out there.
00:40:54
Chris Moore
just It's not possible that one out of the infinite is the one.
00:40:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:58
Chris Moore
Yeah, it's not it's not possible. And there may be in our own solar system, maybe very rudimentary life on Europa or on moons of Jupiter or something that we don't know about, you know, but but no, definitely not.
00:41:08
Chris Moore
Now, whether they're coming here or not, I don't know. Certainly the physics of the universe, as we understand now, would make that very difficult, but I'm sure 100 years into physics, you know, we're we're only like a hundred some years into any kind of advanced technology really.
00:41:22
Chris Moore
was only like 1905 when Einstein came up with relativity. Like we're barely into anything understanding this universe. So who knows what things we haven't quite understood or gotten to yet that is out there.
00:41:33
Lee Hatfield
That's right. And there could be a planet out there that's us in a thousand years' time that has that technology.
00:41:42
Chris Moore
Cool, easily, yeah. There's so many older stars than our star that could be systems around those stars that are much, much older than us by millions of years.
00:41:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. questions
00:41:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So we are coming towards the end of this, unfortunately, but I've got two key questions left.
00:41:55
Chris Moore
Sure.
00:41:56
Lee Hatfield
So and this is this is brought us nicely into this next question. So if the government were to publicly release a complete record of a UFO investigation, how do you think that would impact society?
00:42:10
Chris Moore
You know, Hmm, that's a good question. i think a while back, like like ah maybe a couple decades ago, it might have been a shock to everyone, but I don't know so much now.
00:42:21
Chris Moore
We have been, and this is where popular entertainment has kind of helped a lot, like Close Encounters, X-Files, things like that have kind of, blurred lines a bit for people where science fiction particularly has helped a lot, like prepare people's minds for possible alternate realities than what we've been living in.
00:42:38
Chris Moore
So I think it won't be as big a shock as as maybe it would have been two generations ago. you know i think I think now it's more of a, oh, okay. That might make sense.
00:42:48
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:42:49
Chris Moore
you know And I think only of our own world.
00:42:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:42:51
Chris Moore
We're discovering that you know octopus is a smart animal. Smarter than we maybe as smart as us. We don't know. We're discovering like bees communicate. Trees communicate. We're discovering things about our own world that things aren't as...
00:43:03
Chris Moore
We aren't the pinnacle of everything. That other creatures are way below us. there are They're complicated and intelligent creatures on this planet beyond humans. So it it won't be quite so, I think, shocking to discover that there's something else.
00:43:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I know like in and yeah movies and TV shows, there's either been the aliens that have come here and coexisted, or there's been the ones like in Independence Day that just want to come and pillage the planet and move on to the next planet.
00:43:35
Chris Moore
That's right.
00:43:36
Lee Hatfield
So it's interesting how like Hollywood and all the other different film companies have got this persona of what ah alien invasion or a UFO invasion would be like.
00:43:50
Lee Hatfield
So yeah if something did happen in reality, how different would it be?
00:43:56
Chris Moore
yeah Yeah, you know what, my favorite film about aliens coming to Earth is Arrival. know if you've ever seen Arrival, and it's so different than the usual one. And it's all about a linguist trying to, and there are these giants, sort of cephalopod creatures that speak with ink, and and they and they but they speak, their language involves time, and by learning it, she starts experiencing time a little different.
00:44:16
Chris Moore
And it's so alien and different, unlike most movies where they're just sort of people, or like Star Trek, where they're just sort they're all kind of, everyone's kind of human-like in space.
00:44:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:26
Chris Moore
it's it's They're very different and it kind of helps set up a different kind of set. well this could be like It could be so it' be like talking to dolphins. like It could be very, very different than just someone landing and talking to some waving.
00:44:36
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:44:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So funny you just mentioned that. So my ah final question, and this actually came about after speaking to a ah Bigfoot investigator. So if you were lucky enough to experience a real,
00:44:55
Lee Hatfield
UFO landing and then to encounter aliens of however they exist in there and their lifetime, would you announce it to the world or would you keep it to yourself?
00:45:10
Chris Moore
Yeah, I would announce it. The whole thing is about sharing. And I get also that inevitably it'll become part of the lore, like, oh, that guy lied about the aliens or whatever. it becomes It all kind of gets subsumed and attacked and ripped apart or whatever. But yeah, I would.
00:45:25
Chris Moore
I'm reminded of that the film Contact with Jodie Foster at the end, and no one believed her that she had gone off into seeing all these things. And they said, was just, you're only gone for a few seconds. Like, what are you talking about? But they're, yeah, no, that she did see it, and she did share it. And it kind of starts...
00:45:38
Chris Moore
you You know, the old theory of chaos theory that the butterfly wings can cause a hurricane on the other side of the planet. just takes a little bit, a little bit to move the whole thing.
00:45:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because the reason why I asked this Bigfoot investigator and the answer that he came, he would not release it to the public, or if he did, he would give a false location because his objective is to research these creatures, and if he found that they did exist, he wouldn't want to jeopardize those that that species, which makes perfect sense to me.
00:46:12
Chris Moore
Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
00:46:16
Chris Moore
You know how humans are. they We would destroy that habitat in a minute. We'd be trampling down, going into film.
00:46:16
Lee Hatfield
But I suppose...
00:46:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
00:46:20
Chris Moore
Yeah, that's true.
00:46:22
Lee Hatfield
But yeah slightly different from UFOs and aliens because they can just basically jump back in their ship and go, okay, see you.
00:46:30
Chris Moore
Yeah, I'm pretty confident they can handle themselves.
00:46:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and you wouldn't be able to.
00:46:32
Chris Moore
yeah Yeah. I'm sure if they can do all this and come here, they can handle themselves and around us, I would hope.
00:46:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Exactly. exactly Right, Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. Yeah, we finally got here after after all the imaginary technical issues that we had.
00:46:42
Chris Moore
Yes, thank you so much. really enjoyed
00:46:47
Chris Moore
it.
00:46:49
Chris Moore
It was the government trying to close this down. That's what that was.
00:46:49
Lee Hatfield
I would love to talk to you some more.
00:46:53
Lee Hatfield
Tell no one, tell no one. but Like I say, it's been an absolute pleasure. i thank you for your time and hopefully we can talk again later. Well, I'm coming to your podcast very soon, so hopefully.
00:47:01
Chris Moore
Yes, thank you. Yes, you'll be on mine soon. You're right. That's exactly right.
00:47:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:47:04
Chris Moore
Thank you.
00:47:05
Lee Hatfield
Okay, my friend. Thanks very much. Take care. Bye-bye.
00:47:07
Chris Moore
Okay, have good night.
00:47:09
Lee Hatfield
You too.