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S1 E22 - Tommy Cullum, Lets Get Freaky Podcast

S1 E22 · SIPA Paranormal Chronicles
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In this week’s episode I had great fun talking to Tommy Cullum, host of the Let’s Get Freaky Podcast.

Tommy and I talk about fearing the dark, living in haunted houses, and experiencing Shakespearean ghosts.

We then talk about the potential doppelganger of his mother, ignoring UFO buildings in the sky and saying ‘Wow’ a lot.

We finish off by talking about, fairies, Cryptids and the does the UK have bigfoot

Come and join us two Brits, when we talk about everything paranormal

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Transcript

Intro

Introduction and Meet Tommy Cullen

00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Today I'm delighted to be talking to some funny talking Brit guy called Tommy Cullen, who is famous for the Let's Get Freaky podcast.
00:00:27
Lee Hatfield
Tommy, welcome to the show my friend.
00:00:29
Tommy Cullum
Thank you very much for having me, man. Awesome to be here. Thank you very much, sir.
00:00:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So Tommy is, at like I said, a fellow podcaster like myself, and we're going to be talking about all kinds of paranormal stuff. So Tommy, be before we get into your podcast and what you talk about, tell me a little bit about yourself, including what's on the back of that baseball cap.
00:00:53
Tommy Cullum
Oh, no. I knew you wasn't going to like it. but So I'll start. I'm from the UK. I'm from Essex, which is right near London in the UK. Now I live in Dorset, which is just on the south coast of the UK. And I started a podcast about coming up to three years ago now called Let's Get Freaky. And it's basically it's all...
00:01:17
Tommy Cullum
all aspects of the paranormal ghosts

Haunted House Experiences

00:01:19
Tommy Cullum
cryptids ufos everything strange even a little bit of conspiracy as well i've always been fascinated by the subjects of of higher strangeness and i've had experiences myself from from a very young age which i'm sure we'll get into and it's sort of in my mind i know this stuff is real and i know the possibilities are endless so i find it also fascinating and i just get cool guests on who normally share their experiences Or, you know, we go down some rabbit holes and stuff like that, but it's mainly like paranormal experiences. so
00:01:48
Tommy Cullum
And yeah, man, I just love it. I'm just fascinated by everything strange.
00:01:52
Lee Hatfield
That's absolutely awesome. And just for the record, it is what time is it in the UK, Tommy?
00:01:58
Tommy Cullum
The time right now 1.35 a.m., quite strange. which quite a a strange
00:02:02
Lee Hatfield
So ah so this is how this is how crazy some UK people are, hence why I moved to Canada.
00:02:08
Tommy Cullum
yeah well i felt said to you with what I found it strange like hearing your accent talk back to me at this time, because this is the time I normally record the podcast. Normally. I record all through the day, but it's normally this time because I'm normally talking to people in the US or Canada.
00:02:32
Tommy Cullum
cool.
00:02:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. um mean
00:02:33
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:02:33
Lee Hatfield
um At least we don't have to get a translator in this time.
00:02:36
Tommy Cullum
na na No, no, no, no.
00:02:36
Lee Hatfield
So we're good. We're good.
00:02:39
Tommy Cullum
and And the hat I'm wearing, I know you you it's not your Boston, but it's the Boston Red Sox, my baseball team.
00:02:39
Lee Hatfield
So.
00:02:46
Tommy Cullum
I know, apologise, I'm sorry.
00:02:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. but Let's not talk about that.
00:02:50
Tommy Cullum
No, we won't go down there.
00:02:52
Lee Hatfield
it But in our fairness, they do suck this year. So that's pretty cool.
00:02:56
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:58
Lee Hatfield
Okay, my friend. So how did your paranormal trip start? Tell us about that.
00:03:05
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, well, I've always been... i was always one of those weird kids. that was scared of the dark from from day one since I can remember. i always felt like there was something in my room, like most kids do. You know, we we feel like there's something in our room. We get scared.
00:03:19
Tommy Cullum
And I was always, like, getting in bed with my mum and dad through the night if I ever woke up and it was dark. I was just a very scared kid. And to be honest, east I still am scared of the dark now. So if i'm if I'm at home and the wife's out or, you know, I'm in my room on my own in the dark, I have to have, like, a light on or or the telly on or I'm playing a podcast because I can't just...
00:03:39
Tommy Cullum
can't just be in the dark. I can't relax in the dark, basically, probably because of what I've experienced. So I grew up in ah in a haunted house. What I would say was a haunted house. A lot of strange activity used to go on there. Your very yeah typical haunting stuff.
00:03:54
Tommy Cullum
You'd hear people walking around at night, weird noises, weird vibes sometimes, like you feel like

UFO Sighting at 14

00:04:00
Tommy Cullum
something's watching you. um Things used to go missing and and the whole family felt it. So me and my brother, we we felt this.
00:04:07
Tommy Cullum
My mum and dad, that they they had experiences and felt it as well. And it wasn't until we sort of left that house, we moved out when I was 12, that really we sort of opened up as a family.
00:04:18
Tommy Cullum
and instead I know me and my brother was quite young. I was 12. He was three years younger than me. So they didn't want to talk to us about ghosts and stuff like that anyway. But it wasn't until we got a little bit older that my mum and dad were like...
00:04:26
Lee Hatfield
Sure.
00:04:29
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, there there was something strange about that house. And I remember when we left the house, my dad was like, I'm so glad we got out of there. You know, I'm so glad because there was something. We had good times in the house. i Don't get it wrong. It wasn't always negative and and strange, but there was something there. There was a prince there.
00:04:47
Tommy Cullum
and And I had an experience when I was around the age of 10. And it was sort of like my first, I had some weird experiences as a kid where like, you know, you wake up during the night and you see something and stuff like that. And, but never something like definitive until this moment.
00:05:02
Tommy Cullum
So me and my brother shared a room and we had bunk beds and I was on the top bunk. And as I said, if I, if I woke up during the night and all the lights are off, I would panic, get in bed with my mum and dad straight away.
00:05:16
Tommy Cullum
And at this point, you know, I'm 10 years old and they' they've had enough of this. So whenever I did this, it was like, no, you're going back to your room and I'd be crying and stuff. And, you know, didn't want to do that. But, you know, I started to do that.
00:05:30
Tommy Cullum
Well, on this particular night, there was one night where I woke up. And all the lights were off in the bedroom. And me and my brother, like we we had Fred Flintstone curtains. ah stet We had these Fred Flintstone, Barney Rubble and Fred Flintstone.
00:05:43
Tommy Cullum
And like you'd wake up and you'd see their faces because like the street lights would come in and it would light up the curtains. And we had

Mysterious Woman and Strange Occurrences

00:05:49
Tommy Cullum
like, I don't know why, I think there was there was a stage where the Flintstones kind of came back and we had all Flintstone stuff. I think like the first movie came out or something. And and at the time it was quite a big thing and me and my brother loved it. But anyway...
00:06:01
Tommy Cullum
So we had we had Fred Flintstone curtains, but the light was coming in from the streetlights outside. And I've i've woken up, and me and my brother had like a desk that was sort of in the corner of the room.
00:06:13
Tommy Cullum
And I woke up, and I sort of looked down at the desk, and there was just a man sitting there at the desk, a full-bodied man, just like no just like me and you are right now, just a solid form man.
00:06:21
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:06:28
Tommy Cullum
And I just screamed. till Obviously, I've seen...
00:06:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. but I'm real. I'm real. I'm okay.
00:06:31
Tommy Cullum
yeah yeah, yeah, you're real, I'm real.
00:06:32
Lee Hatfield
I'm real.
00:06:33
Tommy Cullum
And this dude looked, I think we're real, and this dude looked real. like He was solid. And I just remember, obviously, screaming. Now, that the weird thing was, is this this guy, he he he looked like he wasn't he wasn't from our era.
00:06:48
Tommy Cullum
you know He was like... He had like long brown hair. he has like a little beard. he had like this brown suit on and brown, but I could see him very clearly, very detailed. And he looked like William Shakespeare. That was like the look that this guy, when I, at that time, that was what I put this experience to. I always thought that whenever I saw a picture of William Shakespeare, I was always thought this man. And ah it was, I don't think it was William Shakespeare. It might've been, don't know why it was haunting my house, you know, but he looked, he looked like that.
00:07:17
Lee Hatfield
just
00:07:18
Tommy Cullum
I've panicked and i'm screamed because I'm not thinking even ghost at this time. You know I'm thinking there's there's a man sitting there in my room and he was sort of sitting there with his is his head in his face, sort of looking up in my direction, but he didn't move at all.
00:07:33
Tommy Cullum
Like he didn't he didn't blink as far as I'm aware, you know, didn't speak, didn't didn't didn't move. You know, as far as I'm aware, I didn't see him move at all. But I've screamed and my mum's come in the room My brother stayed asleep somehow because I was quite emotional and crying and stuff. And I'm like, mom, there's a man in my room. And this guy's not disappeared or anything. He's just, he's still there.
00:07:56
Tommy Cullum
And my mom's kind of trying to calm me down. And she's gone over to where he was. And I don't know if she's, if she's gone through him or anything like that, but she's come back to the bed and she's like, there's no one there. You need to calm down. And I'm like, I want to get in your room. like I was, I was just like a mess.
00:08:11
Tommy Cullum
But my mum's kind of got a little bit angry with me. And she'll hear this interview and she'll say sorry again. Because every time I talk about this, she said sorry. And I'm like, you got to say sorry anymore. It's okay.
00:08:24
Tommy Cullum
It's why I'm here today. you know It's put me in this position because it's you know it was my big experience as a kid. and But anyway, so she says sorry. But at the time, she made me stay in the room. So I couldn't, I was just like stuck. I've got to go under my covers.
00:08:38
Tommy Cullum
So it's exactly what I did. I went under the covers and I just was like, I just remember sweating and just like being so scared. And she'd gone out the room now and I'm i'm looking and this guy was still there.
00:08:49
Tommy Cullum
Like he's not disappeared. He's not, you know, he's not moved at all as far as I'm aware, you know, and this went on all night. So all night I was like crying, sweating, just laying in my bed and And somehow I fell asleep that night, even though I kept looking and, and you know, I wasn't, I don't know how I fell asleep and it woke up next morning. You know, I've looked straight away. I remember, you know, obviously he wasn't there anymore. He was gone.
00:09:14
Tommy Cullum
I did have other experiences in that house and saw some other things, but that was the last time I'd ever saw whatever that man was. And for me, I was just, that that was the moment that, cause I knew that wasn't a dream. You know, I knew i was seeing something.
00:09:29
Tommy Cullum
You know, that was, I've woke up during the night and seen things as as a kid, as was saying, I don't know, but you know, if that's just a kid's imagination or what this, this guy was, as it was real. You know, I was seeing it and yeah, very strange man. But that was a big, big moment for me.

Rationalizing the Paranormal

00:09:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's really weird that you say about being scared of the dark, because I would not say that I'm scared of the dark. However, I will say that I'm always cautious of the dark.
00:09:58
Lee Hatfield
And even when I go on an investigation, I'm 60 this year. and I don't look it. I'm like, 30.
00:10:03
Tommy Cullum
You don't look it, man.
00:10:04
Lee Hatfield
look 35. Thanks.
00:10:04
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:10:05
Lee Hatfield
look thirty five thanks
00:10:06
Tommy Cullum
You do.
00:10:08
Lee Hatfield
But I still will not have my back against a doorway, a window, or any kind of entrance or exit. i want I have to have my my back against a solid wall, even when I'm doing investigations.
00:10:18
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:10:23
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, I've never been, like to say, as far as I know, I've never and been paranoid of the the dark or anything like that.
00:10:32
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:10:32
Lee Hatfield
But I always do it. So I always look look and find a position. I'm standing over there.
00:10:37
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. yeah It's just, it's just like, sorry, man.
00:10:40
Lee Hatfield
and this Come on. Sorry. Yeah.
00:10:42
Tommy Cullum
was going to say, it's just like, it's just like a natural fear.
00:10:43
Lee Hatfield
tell
00:10:44
Tommy Cullum
I think some of us have, like obviously a lot of us are scared of the dark, especially when we're kids. And I don't know if that goes back to obviously, I don't know. It's, it's in us that bad things can be in the dark that we can't see obviously, but that's, I don't know if because of the experiences I've had, it's sort of that's carried on, man.
00:11:01
Tommy Cullum
And I can never rest in the dark.
00:11:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah But it's it's really weird because yeah if this guy wasn't moving but he was looking at you, if you knew then what you knew now, would you say that it was a residual haunting or an intelligent haunting?
00:11:17
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, that's a good question, man. And it's a thing that I've sort of gone over in my head. And the the more I do the podcast and tell people this, like obviously, like yourself, they'll come up with you know a different idea of what this could be.
00:11:29
Tommy Cullum
I will say that he's like... Obviously, there was no lights on, but I could see colour, which is kind of a weird thing. like i could see that he had a brown suit on. So I'm not saying he was glowing, because he wasn't glowing, but it was like kind of like, possibly, that that you sort of say he was sitting there during the day, and you took that image and put it put it there at night, it still looked hey it wasn't glowing.
00:11:55
Tommy Cullum
It's very hard to explain, but I could see colour in his face and stuff, and and colour in the suit.
00:11:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:00
Tommy Cullum
So...
00:12:01
Lee Hatfield
And he it's really weird because, like I said to you you um Facebook today that i I was coming back from the US.
00:12:08
Tommy Cullum
Oh,
00:12:09
Lee Hatfield
and were having And we're doing an investigation in this like this like Scottish inn in a place called Casanovia, New York State. Fantastic location.
00:12:20
Lee Hatfield
It's got bars in the basement. I'll send you some of the pictures later to show you. And it's got some amazing features. It's a Scottish bar. You get a whiskey when you walk through the door. Fabulous.
00:12:30
Tommy Cullum
oh wow.
00:12:30
Tommy Cullum
Wow.
00:12:30
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, but I was talking with my colleagues and like, the thing is, if you experience something or I experience something, it's a personal experience.
00:12:43
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:44
Lee Hatfield
I can't take that away from you. You can't take it away from me. We know what happened. Can we prove it? No. And the perfect example, we finished about 1.30, 2 a.m. m this morning because we did Saturday night and Sunday night.
00:13:04
Lee Hatfield
I just got into bed. I turned the lights off. Curtains were closed, so it was black. And it's in the old-fashioned four-poster bed with the blankets, not the duvet.
00:13:16
Lee Hatfield
And sometimes when you're just settling down in bed, you feel like the blankets kind of settle. And you don't think anything of it. And that happened about two or three minutes after I'd closed my eyes.
00:13:30
Lee Hatfield
didnt think and But then I got a more solid light

Starting the Paranormal Podcast

00:13:34
Lee Hatfield
as though someone was sitting on the bed. It's like... I opened my eyes and for a split second, I just saw this white, like ah like a white sheet.
00:13:44
Lee Hatfield
Not a white sheet, but it's like just a whiteness go across for a split second and then it disappeared.
00:13:48
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:13:51
Lee Hatfield
And I'm like, did I imagine that?
00:13:54
Tommy Cullum
yeah
00:13:55
Lee Hatfield
And was like, but we were staying in one of the, I was, well, there there was three of us. The two guys were in one room. I was in the other, in the two most haunted rooms of this hotel. And earlier on, on the Saturday, we had a cupboard door open that can't open unless you lift the latch.
00:14:16
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, well, crap. So, yeah, I don't know if I imagined it. Like, yeah you knew you knew you were seeing a guy sat at the table.
00:14:24
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:14:26
Lee Hatfield
But this white white thing that shut, did I imagine it? I don't think I did because I was still awake because I hadn't settled down long enough.
00:14:33
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:14:34
Lee Hatfield
But can I explain it? No, but it was a personal experience to me.
00:14:37
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:14:39
Lee Hatfield
Like yours was a personal experience. Your brother was still asleep. So it's a really weird that most of the paranormal experiences are of personal experience, not of like mass hysteria, loads of people seeing the same thing.
00:14:52
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:14:57
Lee Hatfield
That's important for people when they talk about, p well, talk about paranormal activity, I think.
00:15:03
Tommy Cullum
100%.
00:15:03
Tommy Cullum
And you can doubt yourself like when you have these experiences. you're like you can but Especially when i started let's get when I started doing Let's Get a Freaky podcast.
00:15:07
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:15:11
Tommy Cullum
Because I've got this thing. i feel like when you look into the paranormal and explore it, it looks back. And you... used you whether it's because you're open to it and and and youre you're you're thinking about it or whatever, there seems to be once you've look once you start really looking into it, you're going to experience stuff.
00:15:29
Tommy Cullum
And I noticed a big uptick of of of things happening once I started Let's Get Freaky podcast, I've had experiences throughout my life and, you know, it has always always really scared me and it still does scare me, but I noticed things happening around me once I'd started the podcast as well.
00:15:43
Tommy Cullum
And I was like, is this because, you know, you're thinking about it all the time and like maybe you manifest it in your mind, which is possible as well, I guess. But I don't know, man, there's I've had too much stuff that's happened that I know it's not imagination or, you know, but you can doubt yourself for sure.
00:16:00
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. But you now know that I'm going to ask about some of these other experiences.
00:16:05
Tommy Cullum
Oh man, it's been there's been a lot. it's but so so i was so
00:16:09
Lee Hatfield
okay I'll make a list. I'll make a list.
00:16:10
Tommy Cullum
keep that yeah So in in that same room as well, I'll tell you, my brother did have an experience as well. He actually, he saw, he woke up one night and my brother's lot more sceptical than I am. You know, even though he's had quite a few experiences and I've even had an experience with him as well, which was UFO related. We'll get into that later if you want.
00:16:32
Tommy Cullum
but a he so But he's still very sceptical. And that's great. that's why I think you should be sceptical to an extent. he He woke up one night in the same room. Now, he's three years younger than me, so he would have been, i think, around 7'6 when this happened.
00:16:46
Tommy Cullum
But he saw two red eyes, and they started just floating towards him. And then they disappeared. And obviously that's scared that scared him a lot, you know, obviously as a kid.
00:16:59
Tommy Cullum
And that was his experience of what he saw in the house. But he also did experience like the the weird vibes and stuff that we all we all did as well.
00:17:07
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:17:07
Tommy Cullum
But in that same house as well, and but this was after I'd saw the guy. And this was this was a weird one because it was during the day. You know, i wasn't I wasn't in that, you know, at nighttime scared mode. You know, it was during the day.
00:17:21
Tommy Cullum
i was in my mum and dad's bedroom. And they had like a mirror in their room, mirrors in their room. And I was sort of like, I can't remember what I was doing, but i was like in in front of their mirror dancing and stuff, just being silly.
00:17:33
Tommy Cullum
And my mum and dad had like an ensuite bathroom in their bedroom. And I remember I was in the mirror and I saw this lady, blonde, naked lady in the corner of my eye.
00:17:46
Tommy Cullum
But I think I sort of saw her in the mirror first and I've turned to look and I've seen

Guest Stories and Bigfoot Encounters

00:17:50
Tommy Cullum
this blonde, naked lady walking in into the bathroom. Now I saw this and at the time. I just thought it was my mum because she was blonde and she would sometimes walk around the house and naked. know, it wasn't the most strangest thing.
00:18:04
Tommy Cullum
So I just thought it was my mum. So I've seen this lady walking and I've gone, mum started talking to her and and I've followed her into the bathroom and got into the bathroom. and I'm talking away and there was nothing in there. and I was like, well,
00:18:19
Tommy Cullum
I was just so confused as I've just seen my mum walk past. And I just remember running downstairs. My mum was in the kitchen, fully clothed. And I was like, mum, was you? Obviously she wasn't.
00:18:29
Tommy Cullum
i was like, mum, was you in the bathroom? that Did you just walk past me?
00:18:32
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:18:32
Tommy Cullum
She was like, no, no. lud and And that was another thing that i saw. that I can't explain. But yeah, man, so very it was a very strange house. i didn't like being on my own in there. Like, I remember one time my, my, my, I was off sick from school and you could, you could see from the back, one of the back windows, you could see the school and my mum was like,
00:18:55
Tommy Cullum
She probably shouldn't have me, but she she went, you stay looking out the window and you'll see me walk around and, you know, I won't be long and I'm going to pick up your little brother. And I'm like, okay, cool. And I just remember sitting by the window, just terrified because was on my own in the house. And obviously i can't remember exactly how old I was, probably around 10 as well, 11, 10.
00:19:12
Tommy Cullum
eleven ten But I was petrified of just being in this in the house. It was very strange, man.
00:19:19
Lee Hatfield
ah ah Now, now that you're from Essex, but I'll still call you a grown up. won I won't hold that against you. i Are you aware of any paranormal activity occurring in that house after you left?
00:19:37
Tommy Cullum
No. And i would i would love to i'd love to talk to the people that moved in. And i possibly one day I can go back. you know It's not too far from where my my family still live now. So I could go back and check it out.
00:19:49
Tommy Cullum
I'd love to know. i would love to know. I'm sure they do. I mean... I'm sure they do, but yeah, I don't know. The the house itself wasn't like an old house. I don't know exactly how old it how old it was when we moved in, but it wasn't like a super old house.
00:19:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:03
Tommy Cullum
But it was right next to, or half a mile away, was a graveyard.
00:20:08
Lee Hatfield
right
00:20:08
Tommy Cullum
So there could have been something coming in. You know, I described it to someone, what I saw, and they said it, I can't remember who it was, but they said it sounds like like a highwayman. and and And obviously the the the the history of highwaymen in that area was was huge at the time.
00:20:25
Tommy Cullum
It could have been someone like that.
00:20:26
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:20:28
Tommy Cullum
that We know that the the house, the the lady that we bought the house off we found out that her husband died, we believe, in the house. we're not one hundred percent sure of that, but we, we, we found that out and we believe he was a doctor and his office was directly underneath our bedroom.
00:20:45
Tommy Cullum
Don't know if that was him. I don't know if he dressed up like William Shakespeare on the weekend and, and that, you know, possibly, but yeah, I don't know, butd I'd love to find out if the people living there now experienced stuff.
00:20:52
Lee Hatfield
Very nice.
00:20:57
Tommy Cullum
I'm sure they do, but, let's go.
00:20:58
Lee Hatfield
oh That sounds like a road trip to me, buddy.
00:21:02
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:21:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah Okay. let's put it Okay. So after you had those experiences at home, at what point in your life did you decide that, I've not been scared enough as a kid, I'm going to continue my paranormal adventure, and I'm going to start a podcast about the paranormal?
00:21:05
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:21:16
Tommy Cullum
yeah
00:21:20
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, i've as ah i've I was always still fascinated by it, like forever. i Even though it scared me so much, like i'd still I still had this fascination. I'd still watch Most Haunted, you know, and those sort of shows. And I'd i'd love i'd love watching them.
00:21:38
Tommy Cullum
And I'd love going to like spooky places, which there's loads in the UK. I know there is in Canada as well. But it wasn't until... So I had a UFO experience when I was...
00:21:49
Tommy Cullum
fourteen was quite strange. you want to go there? Because that was probably the next big thing that I can remember.
00:21:55
Lee Hatfield
Go it.
00:21:55
Lee Hatfield
Do it, dude.
00:21:56
Tommy Cullum
So it was it was a summer's day, remember. It was beautiful summer's day. And this is this is quite strange because it was quite a big moment. I'll explain why it was strange. but So we're all me, my brother, and and a few other friends were playing football in the street or soccer for US and Canada.
00:22:11
Lee Hatfield
No, it's football. i'm um I'm from the UK, dude.
00:22:13
Tommy Cullum
It is iss football.
00:22:14
Lee Hatfield
It's football.
00:22:14
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, is football. 100%, man.
00:22:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:17
Tommy Cullum
So we was playing football as we always did. and in And we was literally right outside our house. We had like a, we was in a cul-de-sac. So it was a safe place to play football. And we were all were all just playing. I can't remember what friends were there, but it was me and my brother because we was always playing with different kids and stuff. and

UK Paranormal Scene and Skepticism

00:22:34
Tommy Cullum
But we one of us stopped and said, like, what is that in the sky? Yeah.
00:22:38
Tommy Cullum
Now, this is kind of like UFOs have always been a thing, but this was this is going back. So I was 14. So this is going back. I'm trying to do quick maths. Over 20 years now. um'm forty seven I'm 37.
00:22:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:50
Tommy Cullum
I'm 37 now. This is going back. And, you know, UFOs wasn't like the talking point that it is now. Like, UFOlogy now is huge. But it was obviously UFOs have always been a big subject. But we looked up and there was this...
00:23:07
Tommy Cullum
it was just basically, it sounds so wild, but it was like a futuristic building that you would see in Dubai. And imagine just picking that up and just putting it like really up high in the sky, but we could see it.
00:23:21
Tommy Cullum
And it was like, it was just floating. It was just floating. And we was like watching this thing, like trying to work out what it was like, is it a balloon? You know, i mean, we was watching it for five, 10 minutes, whatever it was, and it didn't move.
00:23:34
Tommy Cullum
So don't think it was a balloon and and it it was like orangey silver colour and it was just this really weird shape and we're watching it we couldn't work out what it was you know it was it was like nothing any any of us had seen and what really bugs me is that we just started playing ah football again. nearly said soccer.
00:23:53
Tommy Cullum
we started playing we so play We started playing football again, and we never saw this thing disappear. As far as I'm aware, like none of my friends, even my brother, we didn't talk about it. it just was This memory was put to the back of our mind. But it was such an incredible thing to see you know when I look back.
00:24:10
Tommy Cullum
And now if I saw something like that, I would watch it for days to try and work out what it was.
00:24:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:24:16
Tommy Cullum
Obviously we've all got phones now so we can camera it. And at the time, i think I had a Nokia brick, you know, the Nokia brick that we all had back in the day, which, yeah which had snake on it.
00:24:24
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:29
Tommy Cullum
And that was about it, which was a great game.
00:24:31
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:24:31
Tommy Cullum
But that's all, that's all I had when I was 14. So we didn't, I couldn't obviously take a picture of this thing or whatever, but it was an incredible thing to see, but the memory wasn't, It wasn't gone, but when I started Let's Get Freaky Podcast, I kind of write down all the things I'd experienced throughout my life that I could remember.
00:24:48
Tommy Cullum
and And this memory didn't come back, and it's very strange. And I was on Paranormal Heart Podcast with Cat Wald, and it was the first time I'd done any, like, I'd been a guest on a show.
00:25:00
Tommy Cullum
And I'm kind of sharing my experiences, and this memory popped into my mind, and I was like, I'm going to tell her. You know, I don't know if if I'm going crazy, but I remember this happening. And I told her what had happened.
00:25:11
Tommy Cullum
and And my brother listened to the podcast like a couple of days after it came out. and And he rung me up and he said, bruv, what was that thing we saw that day? I remember it.
00:25:22
Tommy Cullum
I remember seeing it. And I was like, Oh, I'm so glad you've remembered that. And I'm just not like going crazy and just, you know, making up some memory. Like we both had this memory and and we both never talked about it after it.
00:25:36
Tommy Cullum
And that's very strange. I find, I'm just so glad that he remembered seeing this thing as well.
00:25:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:25:42
Tommy Cullum
You know, Hmm.
00:25:43
Lee Hatfield
and i I think that's really important. The fact that multiple people saw the same thing because a lot a lot of events that occur within the paranormal as i said earlier is a solo vision or solo whatever it's yeah one person experiences it or sees it but if multiple people see it you've got more validation that what you saw is something weird
00:26:12
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:14
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, and then of like, you can talk about it or or not as the case may be, because football is more important.
00:26:20
Tommy Cullum
Well, it is, yeah.
00:26:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:26:22
Tommy Cullum
But like that still really bugs me that we didn't sort of watch it and
00:26:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.

Interconnectedness of Paranormal Phenomena

00:26:26
Tommy Cullum
see it fly off or disappear.
00:26:26
Lee Hatfield
and
00:26:27
Tommy Cullum
or
00:26:28
Lee Hatfield
But it's a typical British thing, because I remember being on on holiday in Greece many moons ago, and i'm I'm with my partner at the time. And there was an earthquake at like 6.30, 7 o'clock in the morning.
00:26:40
Lee Hatfield
Typical Brit thing. She goes, what's that? And I went, it' sof it's an earthquake. Go back to sleep.
00:26:47
Lee Hatfield
But it's just like, yeah, OK, typical Brit thing. We'll be fine.
00:26:51
Tommy Cullum
we're not in danger we're not in danger we are
00:26:53
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, yeah. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. So you decided to do the let's freak your podcast and you said you've been doing it for three years.
00:27:03
Lee Hatfield
Do you say that?
00:27:03
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, it's coming up to three years at the end of June. So three years ago, I put my first episode out. I still don't really know what I'm doing, to be honest, but I love doing it, man.
00:27:14
Tommy Cullum
Meeting people like you and and you know, i have these wild conversations every most nights and stuff. And it's just it's just great, man. It's great. And I love hearing people's experiences and trying to, because we don't really know what's going on with a paranormal, you know.
00:27:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:27:28
Tommy Cullum
Some people have got some good ideas, you know,
00:27:28
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:27:30
Tommy Cullum
but we don't We don't really have the answers yet. Obviously, the more we talk about it, and I think we're getting to a point now where people are more open to discuss this stuff. And I think that that's really cool. like You'll meet someone who you work with or whoever, you'll meet someone.
00:27:45
Tommy Cullum
And then I'm sure you do this as well. The first thing you'll ask is, have they had any paranormal experiences? Because we're really into this stuff. Yeah.
00:27:52
Lee Hatfield
yeah exactly.
00:27:52
Tommy Cullum
You know, sometimes they'll a lot of the time some people will go, no, no, but there was this one time and they'll tell you this wild story.
00:27:53
Lee Hatfield
Yes.
00:27:59
Tommy Cullum
And I find it so interesting that most people have had some sort of experience.
00:28:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:04
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And I've actually got my license plate actually says I'd rather be ghost hunting. So it's like, but yeah, it's, but it's really weird because when I first started this podcast and I only started end of February, so um um but yeah, people say, people say that I'm really good at talking and I talk a lot.
00:28:09
Tommy Cullum
yeah
00:28:19
Tommy Cullum
Oh, wow.
00:28:23
Lee Hatfield
So if anybody should do it, it should be me.
00:28:24
Tommy Cullum
You are, man.
00:28:26
Lee Hatfield
Oh, thanks. Yeah. Cheers. Yeah. And when I decided that I was going to do a paranormal podcast, I thought the easiest thing to do is Google the word paranormal, see what comes up.
00:28:38
Lee Hatfield
And people think it's just ghosts and spirits. But when you do that, and it comes up with ghosts, spirits, UFOs, cryptids, demonology, like, yeah, there is.
00:28:48
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:28:49
Lee Hatfield
I decided that I was not going to just focus on ghosts or spiritual experiences. I

Conclusion and Future Discussions

00:28:55
Lee Hatfield
was going to cover ghosts. everything within the paranormal and try and get as many different people to talk to.
00:29:03
Lee Hatfield
And I've spoken to some really cool people and I've made some really good yeah friends, especially for people like yourself in the UK. yeah Even though you do support the wrong football team, but yeah,
00:29:15
Tommy Cullum
I apologize, man.
00:29:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah as you should.
00:29:18
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:29:20
Lee Hatfield
But the fact that people have got some fantastic stories. I was talking to Kate Ray, don't know if you know her, the yeah specializes in non-human entities and fairies.
00:29:31
Tommy Cullum
and
00:29:32
Lee Hatfield
I'm releasing her podcast this week.
00:29:34
Tommy Cullum
Awesome.
00:29:34
Lee Hatfield
And like to talk about fairies...
00:29:37
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:29:37
Lee Hatfield
And I'm just like, I released one a couple of weeks ago talking about near-death experiences.
00:29:40
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:29:46
Lee Hatfield
and so And it's like for somebody to stop me stop me talking and for me to have a wide open mouth, I'm like, this is a good person to talk to.
00:29:57
Lee Hatfield
Very, really cool.
00:29:57
Tommy Cullum
for sure I've got this thing and and I try it not to do it I really do and and people have commented on like on on my my social medias and stuff I say wow quite a lot when I talk to people I go wow and I don't I don't mean to do that I really don't it's like a natural thing that someone will tell me something incredible and I'm like
00:30:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:30:19
Tommy Cullum
And I say it a lot and I try not to. I'm like, oh, people are going to bored of you saying wow all the time. But just, it's so amazing, man. And it's funny.
00:30:26
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:30:26
Tommy Cullum
It's funny you say about fairies as well. I had an experience very recently. I know it sounds wild, but I just don't know where to put this one. And it literally happened.
00:30:38
Tommy Cullum
It's got to be a couple of months ago now. lose I lose track of time. But it was this, this, this. It's going to sound wild. But it was like, I just. So around this sort of time, I just finished recording the podcast.
00:30:49
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. and I'd switch off, and I can't, i don't know about you, but I can't go straight to bed after talking and and doing this. I can't. i have to wind down, watch something, have a cup of tea maybe, you know, and chill out.
00:31:01
Tommy Cullum
But it was around four or five o'clock in the morning, And and i i was like, i I really should go to bed, you know, or I'm going to struggle in the morning getting up. and And I went into my room and was pitch black and I've gone over to the bed and the wife's in bed and two of my kids are in the bed as well, you know.
00:31:21
Tommy Cullum
And I was like, I can't i can't wake them up. You know, they're going to school. They're getting up to school at half six. I can't get them up now. So I'm just going to set up a camp on the floor and I'll sleep there till they go and then I'll get in bed.
00:31:32
Tommy Cullum
But so I'm laying there, I've set up a little bed and I'm wide awake. So I'm not tired or anything and I'm just laying there in the dark, but I'm fine because they're in there. So I'm not, so I'm not scared now because they're there.
00:31:45
Tommy Cullum
And this, so the size of a pen say, and it was like a golden light and it just, it came into the room and it sort of flew around the room, this light. Right. And I've looked at this and I've gone straight in my mind. I've gone, I've just seen a fairy.
00:32:01
Tommy Cullum
And I know that sounds crazy. and and I'm not saying this definitely was a ferrier. I don't know what it was, but that was just my first thought. You know it didn't look like an orb or anything like that. It looked just like a gold light, like a little Tinkerbell, right? To me.
00:32:15
Tommy Cullum
so I know that sounds wild. and And so straight away, I'm like, OK, you know, no one's going to believe that I've just seen a fairy. Let's do me try and debunk this. So I picked up i had my phone next to me and that was off. But I picked it up to try and see if the phone light would make ah ah similar kind of light.
00:32:33
Tommy Cullum
No, it wasn't that it wasn't a car light because, you know, we've got quite thick curtains and. The light doesn't get through and not many cars drive past where I live at night. So you never, you never see car lights basically. So it wasn't that.
00:32:47
Tommy Cullum
And I was like, I just, i can't work out what this gold light was, but I followed it fly around the room. And and in my mind, i was like I've just seen a ferry. Now I talk to people all the time have these experiences.
00:32:58
Tommy Cullum
So it is in my mind, this stuff But the only thing I can think of, like a logical explanation is that I had an issue in my eye, you know, and I've seen something, but I don't think it was that because I feel like I would see that more often if that was the case.
00:33:12
Tommy Cullum
But yeah it's very strange, man. And that was quite recent.
00:33:14
Tommy Cullum
That was like last a couple of months ago.
00:33:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:33:19
Lee Hatfield
And that's the that's the interest interesting thing about the paranormal, because you have to try to debunk it more than what you have to convince people that it was real.
00:33:33
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:33:34
Lee Hatfield
And we were recorded, like, I'm a firm believer in when people start talking about orbs, I'm always going, OK, it's dust. It's a bug.
00:33:46
Lee Hatfield
It's whatever. Until this weekend, in one of the in one of the hotel rooms, we were doing some personal like exercises.
00:34:00
Lee Hatfield
Two of us are watching the the NVR system. And this guy's in a room by himself. The fact that us two are in the bathroom is completely irrelevant. And we saw this spiraling orb, and it was big.
00:34:17
Tommy Cullum
uh
00:34:19
Lee Hatfield
It's like, what the hell was that? And you could just see it spiral down. And it we're not quite sure if it was one or if it was two that were very close together.
00:34:32
Lee Hatfield
So we waited until he'd finished his experiment, told him about it, went back to the NVR. played it back.
00:34:44
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, what the hell was it? yeah It wasn't a bug. It wasn't ah but a piece of dust because it was far too big. And then we're looking at the ceiling and it's got like like, you know how they get this like plaster on the ceiling, but it's not, it looked like it's so infinite unfinished plaster.
00:35:00
Lee Hatfield
It was like that. Okay. Was it a flake that had fla had fallen down? Well, if that was the case, it would be on the chair. It would be on the floor. And there was absolutely nothing. And it's like, what the hell did we see?
00:35:14
Lee Hatfield
We knew we saw something because we got it caught on camera. but it wasn't an orb in the normal sense of the word because it was far too big. It was it was huge.
00:35:24
Tommy Cullum
Interesting.
00:35:25
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, so it's like, what the actual hell did we see?
00:35:25
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:35:30
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, man.
00:35:31
Lee Hatfield
And like we're we're extremely, there's three of us core members of the team, but we do have other other members as well. And we are firm skeptics with open minds.
00:35:41
Lee Hatfield
If we see something, we will try and debunk the shit out of it as as far as possible.
00:35:46
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:35:49
Lee Hatfield
But the the there comes a certain time when you can't debunk it any further.
00:35:54
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, 100%.
00:35:55
Lee Hatfield
You've just got to... But we don't then go, well, that was a ghost or that was a fairy. or We just go, we've got a pile here that's called unexplained.
00:36:04
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:36:05
Lee Hatfield
And we put things on the unexplained pile.
00:36:07
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:36:08
Lee Hatfield
And it's sort of like, yeah. So yeah the weird things that I've explained about what happened this weekend. a slight and and what So
00:36:15
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, yeah, man.
00:36:19
Lee Hatfield
you must have experienced or spoken to people that have had similar experiences to what you and I have had.
00:36:26
Tommy Cullum
Oh, for sure.
00:36:26
Lee Hatfield
do you want to share some of those expert ors for those stories and people that you've interviewed?
00:36:31
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah, i've I've interviewed a lot of people now, man, and I find it fascinating how a lot of these experience collaborate with each other, you know. then And what's another thing that I find interesting as well is when you talk to someone that's had like a cryptid encounter.
00:36:46
Tommy Cullum
or someone that's, you know, got a ghost in their house, or, you know even someone that's seeing UFOs and stuff, a lot of the time, the experiences are very similar. They're just a different, you know, it's just in a different location or, you know, and these things, they really seem to be connected somehow. And I find that very interesting.
00:37:04
Tommy Cullum
But man, there's been it's been a lot. There's been a lot. I find personally, I love cryptids. You know, I've only got a few encounters that could possibly, and I say personal experiences with possible, I can't say it's definitely a cryptid experience that I've had, but I find talking to people that have had cryptid experiences,
00:37:26
Tommy Cullum
unbelievable. I love it. I love it, man. Especially Bigfoot. You know, when I hear Bigfoot stories, it was another big reason why started Let's Get Freaky, just so I could talk to people that seen Bigfoot. And I've talked to many people now that I feel like you get a sense as well with people that, you know, you you can trust that they've seen whatever they've seen.
00:37:45
Tommy Cullum
I'm trying to think of of, do you want like my favourite experiences that I've heard or...
00:37:51
Lee Hatfield
Go for it, dude. This is all about you.
00:37:53
Tommy Cullum
Oh, no.
00:37:53
Lee Hatfield
i'm only the host.
00:37:56
Tommy Cullum
I'm trying to think there's been so many good ones man there's been so many good ones yeah
00:38:03
Lee Hatfield
Nothing like putting you on the spot, but come on.
00:38:04
Tommy Cullum
yeah no yeah
00:38:05
Lee Hatfield
I'm waiting.
00:38:06
Tommy Cullum
I spoke to oh someone last week, and I'm i'm so bad at forgetting names. John Baranchuk. Oh, sorry, man. Sorry, John, if you're listening.
00:38:17
Tommy Cullum
he He's incredible incredible ah Bigfoot researcher. He told me an experience. like i'm I'm fascinated that, because obviously in therypted world it's the the big argument are these things, flesh and blood.
00:38:32
Tommy Cullum
are they supernatural? And I'm sort of in the middle, but I'd like to think that there are creatures out there that are like flesh and blood that we just haven't caught up with yet or we just can't.
00:38:42
Tommy Cullum
And I think that is very possible. But he was he was he was a I can't remember what part of the USA was in, but it was on a Bigfoot investigation.
00:38:53
Tommy Cullum
And he so said he was with other people as well. Other people saw this as well, but he was seeing like, what they believe to be around 20 sets of eyes. shine.
00:39:04
Tommy Cullum
quite high up or about six foot tall, I think they were. And for me, that was like amazing that he seemed possibly like a family of, of Sasquatch. say You know, that was a good one.
00:39:17
Tommy Cullum
Very recently. that There's been loads, man. There's been so many.
00:39:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's okay.
00:39:20
Tommy Cullum
I'm sorry. Yeah.
00:39:22
Lee Hatfield
It's okay. And it' like it's what's really cool. One of the very first episodes that I was released, well, that I recorded, I should say, not released, Bigfoot investigator that is from New Jersey.
00:39:37
Lee Hatfield
And I asked him a question that put him on the spot. And that question was, feel free to use this next time you speak to a cryptid investigator. If you categorically could prove the existence of a Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whatever you want to call it, would you announce it to the world or would you keep it quiet?
00:40:00
Tommy Cullum
a good question, man. I think...
00:40:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and what you You answer and then I'll tell you what he said.
00:40:06
Tommy Cullum
I think I'd be a hypocrite if I said I'd keep it quiet because I do a paranormal podcast and I'm basically doing that to to share the knowledge. So I would, I would, yeah, I'd put it out there. A hundred percent, man. A hundred percent. oh I would, I think people should know, you know.
00:40:21
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:40:22
Lee Hatfield
But the thing is, he said the complete opposite because he spends a lot of his life looking for this creature and trying to prove that it exists.
00:40:33
Lee Hatfield
If he could prove that, then every man and his dog would turn up at that low location.
00:40:39
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, true.
00:40:40
Lee Hatfield
They would destroy their habitat.
00:40:41
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:40:42
Lee Hatfield
If they caught one, what would they do with it?
00:40:45
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:40:45
Lee Hatfield
So the fact that he would...
00:40:46
Tommy Cullum
Humans tend to destroy things.
00:40:49
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. The fact that he wants to protect that species, he would not reveal that location.
00:40:52
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:40:56
Lee Hatfield
he but He might tell people about it, but he wouldn't say where.
00:40:57
Tommy Cullum
Oh, sorry. Oh, the location. Sorry, man. Yeah, no, no.
00:41:00
Lee Hatfield
that necessarily Yeah, but even so, yeah.
00:41:01
Tommy Cullum
So, yeah, I agree with that. And and i was taught I've talked to many people that are in highly, highly active Sasquatch locations or, you know, claim to be in these locations where there's a lot of sightings and they get a lot of a lot of activity, Bigfoot activity.
00:41:18
Tommy Cullum
And a lot of the times, you're right, they won't say what that location is. And it's for the same reason normally that that it's it's protecting areas.
00:41:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:25
Tommy Cullum
You know, i've talked I've talked to people, especially in the US, like that. I've talked to people that say they know families that have these creatures outside their homes and they like interact with them and stuff. Now that that kind of blows my mind.
00:41:39
Tommy Cullum
But again, I'm not in that position. So it's hard for me to say, no, that's not.
00:41:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:42
Tommy Cullum
how How can that be? You know, you'd have pictures and it'd be out there.
00:41:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:45
Tommy Cullum
You can't say that because it's a personal, it's it's personal to that family, you know, and and so it's very difficult.
00:41:50
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:41:52
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:41:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah And one thing that I find interesting, yeah if you mention the word cryptid, sometimes you may have to explain what that is. But once you do, it's always Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Loch Ness, kind of that the favorites.
00:42:13
Lee Hatfield
But I know that you've done podcasts on other cryptids like the Dogman and stuff like that.
00:42:17
Tommy Cullum
Yes, yes.
00:42:19
Lee Hatfield
So can you tell me a bit about that?
00:42:21
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, man. And the dog man seems to be a growing topic as well.
00:42:24
Lee Hatfield
It does it does you right.
00:42:25
Tommy Cullum
Now, in my mind, I'm like, is it possible that these things are just another type of Bigfoot? You know, I think i think it's it's down to the witness, you know.
00:42:36
Tommy Cullum
what have they seen? But there does seem to be a lot of people. And I've spoke to many people that claim to have seen ah ah six foot tall canine creature, you know, it looks like an Alsatian, but it's standing up.
00:42:49
Tommy Cullum
I spoke to a lady last week. I put an episode out last week and it was called dog man gives chase. And that's because where she lived in Texas, yeah she was When she was very young, she saw one of these creatures in her forest.
00:43:03
Tommy Cullum
And at the time, she said she didn't know what this this thing was, but she described it as like a canine bipedal creature. and And her house was was filled with...
00:43:14
Tommy Cullum
weird going on, you know, spooky stuff. And she was actually living on I believe it was a Native American burial ground, something, you know, cursed land, as she called it, you know.
00:43:26
Tommy Cullum
So there was a lot of high strangeness going on in the area she was in. She witnessed one of these creatures when she was very young. And then again, when she was a little bit older and she was driving one night, she saw one of these creatures and it chased her car.
00:43:40
Tommy Cullum
and and and she And she said, she like obviously, she's driving and this thing is keeping up with the car, but she eventually lost it.
00:43:41
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:43:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:49
Tommy Cullum
And she didn't know, again, she didn't know what this thing was. And she said that she listened to Let's Get Freaky and he heard other people describe these things and was like, that's what I saw. So she got in touch and very kindly came on the show and shared her experience.
00:44:02
Tommy Cullum
It's very hard for people to share these experiences because unless you've had them,
00:44:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:44:07
Tommy Cullum
You know, a lot of people are like, oh, no, there's no dog man on, you know, there's no Bigfoot. But, you know, there's a lot of evidence to support these things. And and it's it's very hard for people that have not experienced anything to say, you know, they believe it. But we do.
00:44:23
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. And that's it. But yeah, until you get concrete evidence, yeah you have to have an open mind.
00:44:30
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:44:33
Lee Hatfield
You can't just say that does not exist.
00:44:37
Tommy Cullum
hundred percent
00:44:38
Lee Hatfield
i and i had a friend uh when i told him ah that that i did this and i do paranormal investigation he's going yeah so it's all complete bull and i went oh so what evidence do you have to to uh to prove that fact he went you are i'm like well you must have some evidence he went oh no it's just crap and i went OK, and i opened up and I said, look, we are investigators.
00:45:07
Lee Hatfield
So our job is to try to prove it.
00:45:09
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm.
00:45:10
Lee Hatfield
If we can debunk it, we will. But if we can't debunk it, then we can't explain what it is. And if I get any audio, if I forget a video, I will send it to a friend of mine who's got some whiz kids that deal with audio and video.
00:45:29
Lee Hatfield
And they'll come back and go, yeah, audio wasn't tampered with. Video wasn't tampered with. yeah And they do the wavelength thing, the voice. It goes, yeah, it wasn't your voice. It was something, yeah, different different tone of voice. And like you get that evidence as well to go.
00:45:45
Lee Hatfield
So then go, right, this is the evidence. And they go, yeah. I've got no answer for that.
00:45:51
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:52
Lee Hatfield
but i i love it when I can put people on the spot and go, I've got this evidence that I can't believe what it is. I'm not saying it's a ghost or whatever, but it's the same for cryptids and UFOs and stuff.
00:46:01
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm. 100% man. find I find a lot of people that dismiss the paranormal. and And I feel like those people are normally people that like want to be in control of every situation.
00:46:13
Tommy Cullum
And obviously, with as as you know, and I know, that you can't control when you're going to have a weird paranormal experience. This stuff just seems to happen of nowhere. know, you can't control the paranormal. So once...
00:46:24
Tommy Cullum
I feel like that's largely what I've experienced with people that are like dismissive of this sort of thing is that they're like, they they're very much people that are like in control of their lives. You know, they don't want any, any of this paranormal stuff that could scare them through the night, you know?
00:46:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:40
Tommy Cullum
And I get that.
00:46:40
Lee Hatfield
and And there's always two other sorts of people. Those that deny it exists potentially have had something happen that they can't explain.
00:46:51
Tommy Cullum
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:46:52
Lee Hatfield
Or they're just the, know, the I don't believe anything unless it's black and white in front of me, end of story. Yeah, like, you know, people go, i don't believe in UFOs.
00:47:02
Tommy Cullum
yeah
00:47:05
Lee Hatfield
I don't believe in aliens. Okay, so what you're telling me is the size of our universe, we're only one universe out of X amount of other universes.
00:47:18
Lee Hatfield
Are you telling me that we're the only humanoid universe like species out of all these like millions and millions of planets, you're telling me that we're the only one.
00:47:28
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:29
Lee Hatfield
It's impossible. You'd be naive to think that.
00:47:32
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. And so many people, are I'm sure you have as well, seen things in the sky that you can't explain.
00:47:33
Lee Hatfield
with
00:47:38
Tommy Cullum
Like so many people, like most people have seen something, you know, was it a satellite and then it started moving in a crazy direction?
00:47:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:47:46
Tommy Cullum
You know, there's so much out there. Like if you're constantly looking up, going to see some weird stuff.
00:47:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's it.
00:47:51
Tommy Cullum
That's for sure, man.
00:47:52
Lee Hatfield
And one of the most popular ones right now is the SpaceX SkyTrain.
00:47:57
Tommy Cullum
Yes.
00:47:57
Lee Hatfield
So once the space yeah the rocket takes off, they launch the satellites for the first 24 hours or whatever. they all cal ah We've seen that at a friend's house out in the sticks.
00:48:09
Lee Hatfield
It looks really cool. But if you don't know about SpaceX and you don't know about the satellites, you're going to think that's a UFO.
00:48:15
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:48:16
Lee Hatfield
Technically, it is a UFO. It's unidentified, it's flying, and it's an object.
00:48:21
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:48:22
Lee Hatfield
It's as simple as that. But my wife I wanted that camera. I'm not sure if you know what one of them is, but it scans the skies and anything it picks up, it's like, this is a drone, this is a bird, this is an aircraft.
00:48:37
Lee Hatfield
I don't know what that is. but i want I want one of them, but they're stupid stupidly expensive.
00:48:40
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, man.
00:48:43
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, I bet. I want one though. That sounds cool.
00:48:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:48:46
Lee Hatfield
Okay. You speak to your wife, I'll speak to mine and then we'll use it.
00:48:48
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So tell us ah ah tell me some more stories about, know, if you had to pick a top five out of all your episodes, you've, I know.
00:48:55
Tommy Cullum
yeah Oh, that's a difficult one, man. That's very difficult.
00:49:01
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:49:02
Tommy Cullum
i i find... oh it' so good good qua
00:49:11
Tommy Cullum
They're all, I've loved it. Everyone I talked to, I loved them all, man. I've loved every episode. Even like episodes that you would say, oh, that's, you know, that's probably not that scary. But it's not just about scary, you know.
00:49:22
Tommy Cullum
It's about just just real experiences.
00:49:23
Lee Hatfield
No, it's not.
00:49:24
Tommy Cullum
And, you know, sometimes it's the small things that people describe that are like really amazing, you know, like those little details. I had, let me just remind myself of some episodes, man.
00:49:38
Lee Hatfield
Because you're getting old and your memory's going, but okay.
00:49:40
Tommy Cullum
yeah Oh man, you know, I had an episode very recently. Um, Um, Oh, where is it, man? I forget the names of them as well.
00:49:52
Lee Hatfield
Are you sure you're a podcast host?
00:49:53
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, I know, man. I'm sorry. I am terrible with names and stuff. ahric ah Eric Mentel. Have you heard of Eric Mentel?
00:50:00
Lee Hatfield
I have not.
00:50:00
Tommy Cullum
He was on very recently. He was on twice very recently, actually. And we had an episode called The Beast of Bray Road, which is a very famous cryptid in the US.
00:50:06
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. yeah Yeah.
00:50:09
Tommy Cullum
and And he had an experience.
00:50:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:10
Tommy Cullum
And, and you know, he's an investigator, paranormal investigator, that looks into, like like you do, all the aspects of the paranormal. And he was in... ah where is The Beast of Bray Road? That is in...
00:50:23
Lee Hatfield
No pressure.
00:50:24
Tommy Cullum
where's Where's Green Bay Packers based? Oh my gosh. How's this, the name?
00:50:29
Lee Hatfield
and know that's ah ah that's That's a funny spot that I don't follow.
00:50:33
Tommy Cullum
Milwaukee. Is it Milwaukee? No, no. Oh my gosh. Where's my brain gone tonight? Anyway, he he was there. He was in the area where the Beast of Bray Road is sited.
00:50:44
Lee Hatfield
Wisconsin. wisconsin
00:50:44
Tommy Cullum
Wisconsin. that How have I forgot that, man? Anyway, yeah, Wisconsin. and And he had an experience where he he he heard, they they were hearing like strange growling and stuff, and they were filming in the sort of area that it's seen.
00:50:58
Tommy Cullum
And I think he saw the eye shine of of, you know, a tall bipedal creature. And he caught this on camera as well. It's on his YouTube channel. that That was a cool one very recently.
00:51:08
Tommy Cullum
And he also said as well that he sort of like had a... like a town meeting where he invited people to come in because so many people have seen this thing. and And he said, it was just amazing to hear like all these people sharing their experiences.
00:51:23
Tommy Cullum
And i've I've talked to someone else as well that was in the same area that doesn't think he something ah ah yeah I think he's quite a sceptical guy. and And he said something ran at him in the in the bushes, in the forest that he was in, in that area.
00:51:38
Tommy Cullum
And I was like, man, I think you saw the Beast of Bray Road. And he was like, no, it wasn't that. It wasn't that. He doesn't know what it was, but he said it was like a big thing like running at him. I was like, that's the Beast of Bray Road, man.
00:51:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:51:48
Tommy Cullum
I jumped to the paranormal. I talked to Paul Stobbs on the show recently and he had an incredible Bigfoot encounter in the UK. And that now you know that's that's a touchy one as well.
00:51:58
Lee Hatfield
Oh, what?
00:51:59
Tommy Cullum
But a lot of people have seen Bigfoot in the UK. There's a lot of reports coming out now where people are are talking out. For me, I kind of think that if they're here in the UK, there might be a more of a supernatural element to them because, you know,
00:52:14
Tommy Cullum
eight foot tall, seven foot tall, you know, in the UK, you feel like you'd there'd be a lot more sightings if they were there, but so many people are seeing a man. And this guy, like, like I said before, you, you get a knowing that they're, they're telling you the truth, you know, and, and his experience, he was in Scumful, or near Scumful, up North in the UK.
00:52:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:35
Tommy Cullum
And he was a DJ and he was driving home. It wasn't Paul Stobbs. Oh, that was someone else. Let me get his name. Cause I, I,
00:52:43
Lee Hatfield
You're going to insult him now, aren't you?
00:52:45
Tommy Cullum
I know and i can't do that because he's such a cool dude, man.
00:52:46
Lee Hatfield
Why is it?
00:52:50
Tommy Cullum
let me just get the name quickly. Come on, Tommy.
00:52:53
Lee Hatfield
you want press pause?
00:52:55
Tommy Cullum
Uh, yeah, should, I should have it here. Yeah. If you don't mind, man. And then oh I've got it I've got it.
00:53:01
Lee Hatfield
What
00:53:02
Tommy Cullum
Steve Dinsdale. Sorry. Sorry, Steve.
00:53:04
Lee Hatfield
are they?
00:53:05
Tommy Cullum
I am so bad with names. I forget my own kids names to be fair. You know,
00:53:11
Lee Hatfield
What are your kids called?
00:53:13
Tommy Cullum
Amy, Ruby and Freddie. And had to really think about it. is
00:53:19
Tommy Cullum
I forget their ages and their names.
00:53:21
Tommy Cullum
yeah, so Steve saw this. So he's driving home after doing, he was a DJ at the time and it was in 1994 this happened and he was driving home from a set from then and he said it was like a quiet road and he saw something in the road walk across this giant bipedal hairy.
00:53:38
Tommy Cullum
Now he doesn't actually give give it the name Bigfoot. He doesn't know what this was and now I find that interesting as well. like he He explained it to me and and I said, that sounds like a Bigfoot. And he's like, yeah, it does fit the description of a Bigfoot. I don't want to say it's definitely that though, but that is what I saw.
00:53:55
Tommy Cullum
And I think, I believe it was carrying like a rabbit or something as well. And he saw this thing and and hes he said, he's like, he stopped and he's got a great look at this thing and the car light shining on it.
00:53:58
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:54:05
Tommy Cullum
And he said he could actually see like the condensation coming out from its breathing. And for me, I was like, wow, that's, that is incredible.
00:54:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:54:13
Tommy Cullum
And you know, I just know, i just, I ah know he's telling the truth, you know, I don't, he saw that.
00:54:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:18
Tommy Cullum
and And yeah, yeah, that was, that was a very recent one as well, but it's been so many, man.
00:54:23
Lee Hatfield
Cause one thing, yeah.
00:54:24
Tommy Cullum
Yes.
00:54:24
Lee Hatfield
Cause one thing that I found is that in the UK doesn't tend to be big for orientation. It tends to be big cat.
00:54:34
Tommy Cullum
Yes.
00:54:35
Lee Hatfield
There's a lot of it on the darkness moors and stuff like that. Whereas over here, it tends to be bipedal, yeah six, seven foot tall, like humanoid creatures.
00:54:48
Lee Hatfield
and it so yeah But yeah even the moss man or the dog man, again, bipedal humanoid of origin. So it's very difficult. to explain, A, what you saw, unless you've black and white in front of you, obviously colour.
00:55:05
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:55:05
Lee Hatfield
But it's very difficult to actually do that because nine nine times out of 10, it's during the nighttime hours. yeah If you're in the woods, you've got a lot of trees, a lot of branches obscuring your view.
00:55:18
Lee Hatfield
And what always makes me and the wife really laugh is when you watch some of these TV shows and they put this footage on and it's it's a case of, quick, put your camera to blurry.
00:55:30
Lee Hatfield
Because
00:55:34
Lee Hatfield
some of them are so poor quality. And it's like, yeah, in this day and age, you've got 4K on your phones and stuff like that.
00:55:36
Tommy Cullum
Yeah.
00:55:41
Tommy Cullum
one
00:55:41
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely no reason to have really bad quality.
00:55:44
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. Yeah. I will say though, and this, this happened, this is not paranormal, but this happened in the new forest a couple of months ago as well. And, and me, my wife, and my kids were walking through the forest and we came across three dears.
00:55:58
Tommy Cullum
And they were like beautiful deers, like antlers and stuff, and they were really cool. And one of them was white. I've never seen a white deer in the world before. It's really cool thing to see.
00:56:07
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:56:08
Tommy Cullum
And I was like, of yeah, I've got to get a picture of this.
00:56:08
Lee Hatfield
I'll wait, then. Yeah.
00:56:11
Tommy Cullum
And I've literally got got my phone out and they were all gone. And I was like, that that for me sort of shows you, like, if if you saw, like, a Bigfoot or a Dogman, like, to get a picture of these, like they normally most people will tell you when they see these things, it lasts for, like, two seconds.
00:56:28
Tommy Cullum
You know, it's normally across the road or, you know, you see it and in it it's gone, you know.
00:56:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:56:34
Tommy Cullum
and And for me, I think that's why there's not many... you know, cause I also had an experience with my mother-in-law. This, this is going back. So I was in my late sort of twenties when this, out I think I was around 27, something like that when this happened.
00:56:48
Tommy Cullum
So it was a little while ago. We were in a block of flats. We were on the fourth floor of of of a small block of flats and we were on the fourth floor. And again, it was a beautiful summer's day, but really nice day, very clear sky.
00:57:02
Tommy Cullum
And me and my mother-in-law were sort of standing at the at the window looking out of the flat. And there was like a little forested area across the road. And we're we're just talking and all of a sudden three objects came out of the forest.
00:57:15
Tommy Cullum
And that very strange. They weren't really that big. They were like the size of like a basketball, say, and there was like three of them. And they were sort of moving around each other in sort of a triangular sort of fashion, but they weren't actually touching. They weren't connected. They were just three different objects.
00:57:33
Tommy Cullum
And they were like constantly changing shape. Like they were never the same shape. They were constantly changing. They were like, you know, you know, in the Terminator when he's melting and he's like that silver.
00:57:43
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah.
00:57:43
Tommy Cullum
It was it was like that.
00:57:44
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:57:45
Tommy Cullum
like That's what it looked like. The three of them. And they were like constantly changing shape.
00:57:48
Lee Hatfield
well
00:57:49
Tommy Cullum
Me and my mother and I are watching this and we're going, what the heck is that? what are they? You know? And, and we, we had a great look and they were like right in front of us and they were just sort of floating around and just going up.
00:57:59
Tommy Cullum
What are they balloons? You know, what, what, what just trying to work out what they are. And honestly, it was, it was such a weird thing to see. And all of a sudden that they got so high up in the sky and we followed them the whole way and they went flash, flash, flash, and just shut off. All three of them shut off.
00:58:14
Tommy Cullum
and and me and my mother-in-law were like, wow, that's incredible. You know, and when we're at family parties now, we talk about that all the time and people are like, really, did you see that? You know, or was that, they were balloons.
00:58:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:24
Tommy Cullum
They sound like they're balloons. Like, no, they definitely weren't balloons. You know, they, and the way they shot off was like nothing I'd seen. but the thing that's annoying, I had my iPhone in my pocket at the time, so I could have got a picture of it or a video and I didn't.
00:58:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And that's the problem. Sorry.
00:58:39
Tommy Cullum
And i was, I didn't even think of that at the time, you know, and then that,
00:58:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Cause it's like, what is it?
00:58:44
Tommy Cullum
Yeah, yeah,
00:58:45
Lee Hatfield
And it's it's really like interesting like that you say that because, like like you say, you see something, I've got to get, oh, it's gone.
00:58:54
Tommy Cullum
yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah
00:58:55
Lee Hatfield
That's it. Yeah.
00:58:56
Tommy Cullum
So when I see a weird light in the sky now, I tend to not grab my phone, but want to keep my eye on it until, you know.
00:58:57
Lee Hatfield
so
00:59:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's it. And funnily enough, the fact that I mentioned about this cupboard, this cupboard door opening, we've actually decided that as soon as we arrive on scene at any investigation, the first thing we're going to do is put body cams on before we do anything else, because we've noticed that there's things that we're missing because we're not set up correctly.
00:59:23
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so we are coming to the end, unfortunately.
00:59:25
Tommy Cullum
Oh no, I've got more experiences, man.
00:59:27
Lee Hatfield
I could talk to you. Hi. Good. This is what happens when we do part two.
00:59:32
Tommy Cullum
this Yeah, I'll come back hundred percent. I'd love to come back.
00:59:35
Lee Hatfield
Awesome. Awesome. So what would you say is your favorite paranormal topic?
00:59:43
Tommy Cullum
That's great question. It changes every day, to be honest. You know, I'm into different things all the time. And my opinion of the paranormal changes every day as well. It really does. Bigfoot and cryptids, I think, is probably my favorite.
00:59:56
Tommy Cullum
You know, I just find it so fascinating, man. And I love the idea that there's creatures out there that we can't explain yet in our oceans, in our forests, in our skies. And, yeah, I'd say cryptids is my favorite at the moment.
01:00:08
Tommy Cullum
But I love it all. I love UFOs and ghosts.
01:00:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah and that's it and I yeah I would say that originally it was Ghosts and Spirits because I'm a big historian as well I love my family tree and I love obviously like all this behind me is from TV episode Sharp so Napoleon Wars that is yes
01:00:26
Tommy Cullum
Yeah. it' Is that a Home Alone house in the background there?
01:00:31
Tommy Cullum
Oh, Home Alone is my favourite, all-time favourite film.
01:00:34
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:00:35
Tommy Cullum
Loved that, man.
01:00:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And I've also got my Doctor Who, then I've got my Ghost Shelf. But, like, these are all sharp characters.
01:00:42
Tommy Cullum
Wow, yeah.
01:00:43
Lee Hatfield
But, yeah, but like I say, I used to think that, you ghosts and spirits, but now I'm getting really intrigued with Skinwalkers and that kind of cryptid.
01:00:56
Lee Hatfield
Like, the UFOs, yeah, I kind of like talking about them. I've never experienced one, but probably until I do, then my it will probably change.
01:01:09
Lee Hatfield
But I think right now, like ghosts and spirits and anything to do with hauntings, whether it's residual or yeah intelligent or poltergeist, whatever, I think that's what that's that's my focus right now.
01:01:23
Lee Hatfield
But like i say, I just love talking about all these different stories. Like you say, your cryptids, your UFOs, you weren't even touched on demonology.
01:01:31
Tommy Cullum
Oh, man, yeah, yeah.
01:01:32
Lee Hatfield
i've got i've got I've got an exorcist coming kind in a few weeks' time, so we'll talk about that later.
01:01:37
Tommy Cullum
Man, awesome stuff, man.
01:01:39
Lee Hatfield
Anyway, and my friend. Yeah. Tommy, it's been an absolute pleasure. It's stupid o'clock in the morning in the UK.
01:01:46
Tommy Cullum
That's okay. I live on US time, basically, so... Yeah,
01:01:49
Lee Hatfield
Oh, um um right. I'll call you tomorrow at this time and see if you're still awake.
01:01:54
Tommy Cullum
no, definitely will be.
01:01:55
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Okay, my friend. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks for your time. And there will definitely be a part two.
01:02:02
Tommy Cullum
Let's go. Thank you very much, brother. Thank you.
01:02:03
Lee Hatfield
like seven Take care, my friend. Bye-bye.

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