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S1 E27 Lisa Lamrock - Author - Doppelganger or Not?
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In this week’s episode, I tackle a totally different subject, Talking to Lisa Lamrock about Doppelgangers.
What are Doppelgangers, can they be connected to your starsign?
What’s the difference between a Doppelgänger and a Twin Stranger?
Are Multidimensional Universes or Astral projection, two of the causes of Doppelgangers?
Did you know that Abraham Lincoln and Queen Elizabeth I allegedly saw Doppelgangers?
And finally, we talk about the Switzerland Study, and how is Neurological studies connected to the research into Doppelgangers.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Lisa Lamrock and Paranormal Exploration
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Today I am delighted to have Lisa Lamrock. We've had a discussion about her name.
00:00:24
Lee Hatfield
I think I've got the name right. ah Lisa is an author, a researcher and an investigator.
00:00:26
Lisa
Yes.
00:00:29
Lee Hatfield
Lisa, welcome.
00:00:31
Lisa
Thank you. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Good to meet you.
00:00:34
Lee Hatfield
Hey, you too. And I love having people that have got different stories to talk about. There's so many. If you Google like the word paranormal, there's so many subcategories.
00:00:46
Lee Hatfield
So to get someone like you that talks about something different than what loads of other people normally talk to, it's going to be really cool.
00:00:46
Lisa
Yeah.
00:00:54
Lee Hatfield
So.
00:00:55
Lisa
Yeah.
00:00:55
Lee Hatfield
Let's crack on. So if you could just give us a little bit of information about yourself before we ah ah start giving you some really difficult questions.
00:00:57
Lisa
what
00:01:05
Lisa
Before you slam me, Well, I don't know.
00:01:07
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:01:09
Lisa
There's not much. I've been investigating for a while. i guess my 20s, I'm 45-ish now. So, a while. Yeah.
00:01:17
Lee Hatfield
Ish.
00:01:18
Lisa
Gotta add the ish in there.
00:01:18
Lee Hatfield
Ish.
00:01:21
Lisa
Nurse, mom, have a little dog, a little... tiny, tiny dog. don't know, not much, not much. don't know. I work, eat, sleep, same thing on repeat.
00:01:32
Lisa
I do love investigating time.
00:01:33
Lee Hatfield
OK.
Lisa's Early Paranormal Experiences and Doppelganger Fascination
00:01:35
Lisa
and like you said that, well, so going back, I guess my first kind of experience was I was young. I was under, under nine. i was trying to think how old I was. was probably like four or five and seeing siblings that I didn't know existed.
00:01:48
Lisa
And then that just kind of shot me in that direction. So I, my father had children prior to me. i didn't know about, just didn't know they existed, that we weren't told about this.
00:02:00
Lee Hatfield
okay
00:02:00
Lisa
And they had, they died in a house fire when I was little.
00:02:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:02:04
Lisa
And, before my two siblings were born and, uh, I would see him playing in the house as as a little one, me and my brother, both actually. And, uh, it wasn't until some years later I found out like had siblings and like, oh, okay.
00:02:19
Lisa
Like that makes sense now. And then, you know, i just kind of suppressed that. And then it was like years later that, you know, a specific group started kind of coming to the forefront and everybody was like, okay, like this isn't such a crazy thing.
00:02:31
Lisa
And then I started kind of going on into it and you know, you start with the bigger groups and work your way down to see your own group and stuff.
00:02:32
Lee Hatfield
so
00:02:39
Lee Hatfield
So this brings me nicely into my first question. So if you were seeing your deceased siblings when you were young, at what point did you realise that what you were seeing wasn't of this world, so to speak?
00:02:50
Lisa
with them.
00:02:55
Lisa
Well, it was, it was weird because I would lay like in my parents' bed and like I'd hide under the covers. I'd see them going up and down the halls and in and out of the bedroom. And it was two boys and a girl, which is you know exactly what they were. and I just, I didn't, at the time, i't I don't know. I don't know how I even made sense of that, but I didn't tell anybody except my brother at the time.
00:03:14
Lisa
And of course he was like, yeah, I see it too. I see him too. And then it was just like, you don't talk about it. So it gets left, left a alone. And then, you know, as I started investigating with the bigger groups is when I first came across the topic of doppelgangers, I really had never even heard of it before. I was in my twenties and it was, it was a house out in,
00:03:37
Lisa
It's at Gainesville, up near North Texas, where I was investigating. And they had this picture of this doppelganger where, you know, they had taken the picture. The person was in the picture. The person was in the doorframe, but they weren't really in the doorframe at the time the picture was taken. They were downstairs and not even present.
00:03:55
Lisa
So it's, you know, they're like, you know, that was kind of the running thing. Everybody was like, wow, look at this. I mean, this is like a true like doppelganger. And then I, you know, you start looking it up and researching it and you're like, okay. And then, then it was years later, i was thinking about writing something and, oh, we did a, I did a podcast on different types of apparitions.
00:04:15
Lisa
And the one that I was discussing was doppelgangers. And then I was like, okay, I gotta, I gotta put something down. I gotta start looking into this more. And that kind of fearheaded the book and got things moving in that direction.
00:04:29
Lee Hatfield
Jessica, already I'm kind of like, okay, I'm speechless now already. This is not good for me to be speechless this early into the podcast. It doesn't normally happen.
00:04:36
Lisa
it
00:04:37
Lee Hatfield
So when you started getting that interest and for the benefit of the people that are listening, can you give me a textbook definition of what a doppelganger is, please?
00:04:54
Lisa
Well, see, everybody everybody has their own view on that, their own, you know, if you look at the old German definition, obviously it's a walking double. But some people, I mean, some people see it as this fleeting image that you just kind of, you see and you may or may not have interaction, but you're not really communicating.
00:05:12
Lisa
Some people see it as like a living, breathing person that you're hanging out with, talking to, having a beer with. you know So everybody has a different view on that opinion on
Paranormal Investigations and Residential Case Dangers
00:05:21
Lisa
that. Mine is more of the fleeting image, just on the different cases that I've, you know, different people i've talked to with their experiences. And mean, everybody's going to have a different take on that, but they have done research on, I, I touch it on the book. i don't know if you've got to read about Tim Sector, one of the guys that did the research on the,
00:05:39
Lisa
twins, twin strangers. So everybody supposedly has up to like seven twin strangers, you know, that they, you know, look just like you, you you do the 2d, 3d imaging, the 2d is going to be up to 95%, you know, the same and 3d, of course it knocks it down a little bit, but even with the 2d, I mean, you get above 90%. That's the same as a like true twin that you're born with.
00:06:04
Lisa
So, I mean, and you know, he found these couples that were having the same, same like hobbies, the same jobs, the same appetite, you know, the same, same everything in their living situation.
00:06:17
Lisa
So a lot of people, you know, are they just seeing their twin stranger or someone else's twin stranger, you know, and that's not even factoring in, you know, the situation and, you know, like, yeah like one of the cases was on, um, graveyard and and native American graveyard.
00:06:34
Lisa
Well, you know, is that, You know, there's other other factors there, yeah which I get into the book.
00:06:39
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah. So if I ever see my twin stranger, I'm going to send him to my work and I'm going to take a few days off.
00:06:47
Lisa
Right?
00:06:47
Lee Hatfield
think I think that would be absolutely ideal.
00:06:48
Lisa
Yeah. I got something for you to do. Hey, he should yeah have the same interest, right? Yeah.
00:06:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah exactly. Exactly. So when was it in your life that you started to get the interest in paranormal investigation and then join your first yeah first group?
00:07:08
Lisa
late 20s probably mid to late 20s was wrapping up college and I just I don't know I just started joining larger groups and that's when I ran into that first case of doppelgangers and then eventually went into a smaller group of you know three four people and and then eventually led to my own group and but then you know with moving you kind of things move you you move around and I haven't been in a group in several years now but just attending events I wrote that book and Well, that's it.
00:07:38
Lisa
I was doing residential cases and quit that. I was more investigating more for myself and, you know, with some partners, some friends, other investigators. you the residential cases get a little dangerous. I had a guy that, you know, pulled out a gun, as schizophrenic.
00:07:55
Lisa
You know, that was my last residential case.
00:07:57
Lee Hatfield
I give up now. That was crazy. give up now that was crazy
00:08:02
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you... he was He was doing a lot of satanic worshiping. And, you know, I had this priest call me out. And he's like, I want you to investigate before I do anything further.
00:08:14
Lisa
And I mean, there was books flying off the shelf. There was no doubt there was stuff going on. But this guy was not taking his medicine. and you're just going to end up back in the same situation. and then when that happened, I was like, you know, I'm not coming back. I'm good.
00:08:28
Lisa
I'm good.
00:08:29
Lee Hatfield
but
00:08:29
Lisa
and That priest, I was like, you go back out there. That's your business. But washing my hands.
00:08:33
Lee Hatfield
the thing is the thing is when a priest asks you to go to a property that's when you've got problems right it's sort of like okay uh yeah i think you probably need an exorcist or somebody
00:08:40
Lisa
Yeah. yeah
00:08:46
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. That's what he was going to do. And I was just like, yeah, I'm not having part of this. No, not with this.
00:08:51
Lee Hatfield
yeah so
00:08:52
Lisa
This is too dangerous.
00:08:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure. For sure. You've got to think about your safety. So were there any significant cases that you investigated that like always stick in your mind?
00:09:06
Lisa
Yeah, I think Yorktown Memorial is probably one of the top ones for me. it's an It's an old hospital that was run by nuns. The doctors, it was out in the middle of nowhere. It's in South Texas. It's ah it's a wonderful place to investigate.
00:09:21
Lisa
Love the place. Really hard to get into. the The doctors practiced into their late 90s because there wasn't that many in the area.
00:09:30
Lisa
So there was a lot of deaths associated with that. Doctor errors, you know, just with age. So there was a
Doppelganger Research, Book Insights, and Misconceptions
00:09:35
Lisa
lot deaths there. And then there was like a reported murder there as well. And it it has a lot of activity. And I, you know, I, there, there were little areas set up where people were doing negative worshiping there. You can see just where people, there was, you know, holes in the facility where they were, they were breaking in and getting in and doing stuff they shouldn't.
00:09:55
Lisa
So. I've, I, when I went the last time that the energy just threw the roof, I could say like every battery we had died. Like you would plug in your flashlights dead.
00:10:06
Lisa
We had to go outside to plug them in and then come back in. We went through three sets in the flash in the flashlight. The camera's all dead.
00:10:12
Lee Hatfield
i
00:10:13
Lisa
had a friend that went there to investigate car battery dead. We just, everything just, just dead and it scratching like crazy. They scratch at that place.
00:10:24
Lisa
I got scratched. Two other investigators got scratched. Three of us, three out of five of us during that visit. So it's it's pretty active, very active.
00:10:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:10:32
Lisa
You feel like they're just all over you. just,
00:10:35
Lee Hatfield
And it is that still active to this day?
00:10:38
Lisa
yeah, that's you can still investigate there. And i think, trying to year I went. It was a few years ago, but um don't see it changing any.
00:10:48
Lisa
I've been a few times and it's not been any different.
00:10:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because it's interesting that you mention about scratches because when you speak to people that are not as knowledgeable about the paranormal as, yeah let's say, you and I, for example, and they automatically think that when they get scratched, it's it's of a benevolent energy.
00:11:12
Lisa
Yeah.
00:11:13
Lee Hatfield
But the way that I always look look at things as well is, If I try to speak to you and to call to you and you're not hearing me because I'm a spirit, the next logical action for me is to reach out to you to try to go, hi Lisa, Lisa, I'm here.
00:11:23
Lisa
Yeah.
00:11:29
Lisa
Right.
00:11:31
Lee Hatfield
And that could actually involve physical contact. So just because somebody's got scratched, I don't always think it's benevolent.
00:11:35
Lisa
Mm-hmm.
00:11:41
Lee Hatfield
It could just be the next step.
00:11:41
Lisa
Yeah. I'm trying to get attention.
00:11:44
Lisa
And then you can feel it with the energy. I mean, you just feel like they are literally all over you. I mean, and I had a friend there at one, one of the investigations that was immediate. He's like, Lisa, come over here. Like he is, there was some guy like rubbing my head. He's like, he's rubbing your head, like over here, not over there.
00:11:44
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, exactly.
00:12:03
Lisa
But, you know, it also being run by nuns, supposedly they say that, you know, they're against tattoos and that's one thing that just fires them up. And, and like my friend, he was scratched across his, he had a gay pride tattoo and, you know, scratches right across it. Now coincidence. I don't know who knows.
00:12:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and and that's the difficult thing to try and prove.
00:12:24
Lisa
Yeah.
00:12:24
Lee Hatfield
yeah Because everybody knows that being involved with the paranormal environment, it's all about trying to prove something.
00:12:33
Lisa
who
00:12:34
Lee Hatfield
i I recently had had ah had an incident in and New York State where I'm laid in bed, something sat on the bed, and then I opened my eyes. I'd been in bed like two minutes, and I saw something white go past.
00:12:47
Lee Hatfield
But that's a personal experience for me.
00:12:49
Lisa
wow
00:12:50
Lee Hatfield
You weren't there, so you don't know what I saw, and I can't tell anybody else what I saw because I'm the only one that saw it.
00:12:58
Lisa
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:59
Lee Hatfield
So it's very difficult for people to...
00:13:01
Lisa
But you know, And I kind of love those though. I mean, yeah, I know we're, we're trying to help each other out and gain research and everything the same time. I mean, personal experiences for me, I love it.
00:13:12
Lisa
I mean, it's for me, growth for me, you know.
00:13:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
00:13:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah Okay, so let's dig a little bit deeper into your book. And I've got a case, doppelganger or not, case by case.
00:13:26
Lee Hatfield
So what made you decide to write this book?
00:13:31
Lisa
Yeah, I mean, the the topic, that the fact that like when I was researching it, you just don't find a lot on the topic. I mean,
Doppelganger Theories and Psychological Connections
00:13:38
Lisa
just like you said, some of these topics, people don't really hit on it. I'm like, you know, I want to figure out more. Like, you know, I may not find a ton, but let me see how many people have experienced this and put it to paper. i mean...
00:13:49
Lisa
It doesn't have to be some huge, massive thing or, you know, just how many cases can I get that are, you know, seem like, you know, trustworthy, honest people. And, you know, when I put it out there, I didn't say, hey, i'm going to write a book who has cases.
00:14:04
Lisa
I just said, hey, i'm I'm interested in people that have had these cases and got kind sort gathering the information and then said, hey, would you be OK if I compose the book? I need a release signed. And went about it that way. That way there was not this preconceived notion that, you know, if I tell her my information, I'm going to book.
00:14:21
Lisa
And I mean, I went from people across the whole U.S. to Scotland. I mean, everywhere as far as stories and people didn't, it wasn't just a U.S. thing.
00:14:31
Lisa
mean, young, old, male, female, left-handed, right-handed. I mean, I checked everything, you know, what what do you do for your career? I mean, you know, looked at all, because wanted to see commonalities too.
00:14:41
Lisa
Is there any kind of commonalities?
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:44
Lisa
But yeah, I mean, we...
00:14:45
Lee Hatfield
Because one thing that I've also looked into is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, because you're more of an expert than what I am, because you've written a book on it and I haven't.
00:14:54
Lisa
don't know.
00:14:57
Lee Hatfield
But a doppelganger does not have to be an entity per se. It can but it can just be like an EVP or it can just be like ah but yeah a voice that you hear.
00:15:11
Lee Hatfield
yeah they can They can duplicate your voice. Is that what I'd be right in saying that?
00:15:16
Lisa
You know, I've never had that experience. I've not had a case like that. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'd never even thought about that. I mean, I've i' looked at pets, obviously pets, people, is it fleeting, not fleeting, but voices I've never heard anybody say, Hey, ah ah you know, there was a recording that sounded like me.
00:15:32
Lisa
That's, you know, my doppelganger, but I mean, don't see why you couldn't, you know?
00:15:37
Lee Hatfield
So am I starting giving you information for book two?
00:15:42
Lisa
Yeah.
00:15:42
Lee Hatfield
There we go. So let's start it together.
00:15:44
Lisa
Actually, I have a completely different topic. It's a, that I'm i'm really wanting to do, but it, it takes a lot with these books. I mean, that one, it was it was over two years. just have to be in the mood and you can't just, I don't know.
00:15:55
Lisa
I don't, I can't just sit there and just write, but cell memory, cell memory and transplant patients and how that that memory, as far as, know, you may gain a heart or something from somebody and all of a sudden you have the cravings that they had when they were living, you know, that kind stuff.
00:16:11
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man, you've got me thinking about that now.
00:16:14
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because they could.
00:16:15
Lisa
It's just very interesting to me.
00:16:16
Lee Hatfield
like
00:16:17
Lisa
i don't know.
00:16:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:18
Lisa
net and the problem is, you know, i was, I was thinking, okay, multiple cases. And it was like, nah, just, just focus on one case, one case, one good solid case. But I, and I want both sides, you know, both families, you know, in on it.
00:16:31
Lisa
So it's, it's a lot. I'm like, do want to take that on? Not take that on.
00:16:37
Lisa
Yeah. That would be the next one though.
00:16:37
Lee Hatfield
I that would that would be really cool to be fair.
00:16:38
Lisa
If,
00:16:41
Lisa
and And then you have the medical, the HIPAA issues here where, you know, privacy issues and that makes it difficult.
00:16:41
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:16:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:49
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so i know that your book involves approximately 19 to 20 cases.
00:16:57
Lisa
Yeah.
00:16:57
Lee Hatfield
Are there any that that really stand out to you that you want to talk about tonight?
00:17:02
Lisa
Um, you know, touching on like that first one, Tim Shepard, being the graveyard. I mean, there, there is a chapter where list like all, like a bunch of other things that could be like in his case, he was in the the native American graveyard. Well, is it a skinwalker?
00:17:18
Lisa
You know, is somebody just shaping themselves, you know? Um, that was somebody following them around the graveyard. It wasn't like a fleeting image. So. i mean, you got to look at things like that. I mean, it's, it's really hard to say. It's like, get your mind going in different directions.
00:17:35
Lisa
chapter two was James Jack. He was a bus, going to get on a bus. And I mean, the person was wearing the same clothing, everything. It just, he had glass. If I recall correctly, he had glasses on and he didn't glasses until years later.
00:17:52
Lisa
And I was like, okay, is this is like some kind of time warp kind of thing. Like it was, I mean, identical. So, you know, I mean, there's just so many like variants there. You're like, and may it makes your mind go crazy.
00:18:05
Lisa
Now, ah go ahead.
00:18:06
Lee Hatfield
So, So, go on, carry on.
00:18:08
Lisa
I was going to say, Star in chapter three, Star was actually at Yorktown when she saw her doppelganger, Yorktown Memorial Hospital, with me, actually.
00:18:09
Lee Hatfield
Oh, okay.
00:18:19
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:18:20
Lisa
Yeah.
00:18:21
Lee Hatfield
So when you're interviewing these people, how do you differentiate between what they're saying is absolute gospel compared to they may be sort of like, well, if I tell her this and then I make this bit up.
00:18:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Do you have like a technique that you can say, well, I'm going to include this part of the story, but I'm not going to include that because I've got a little bit of doubt about this kind of.
00:18:53
Lisa
Yeah, that's a hard one because you you don't know. i mean, that's why I started with like, I'm researching this.
00:18:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:00
Lisa
I kind of want to know your stories. Didn't mention the book until I got all these different stories, then brought that up so that there's not that, you know, okay, well, I just want get in this book or whatever, you know, so that that's the only technique or thing that I did. mean, you kind of have, and then some of these people I do know, as far as like star, I know she's, you know, she's an old old law enforcement, um, enforcement,
00:19:22
Lisa
you know their credibility you know okay yeah she's she's not gonna be making this up and like i was there when that one happened but you know i mean some of these you you don't know and it and it turns out i don't know if you saw in the book there was two people that knew each other and didn't know they were in in the book did you see that
00:19:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah,
00:19:38
Lee Hatfield
yeah well, I was reading a few cases, but yeah please enlighten me.
00:19:41
Lisa
yeah so it
00:19:42
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:19:43
Lisa
Yeah, it turned out that two of them knew each other and one of them saw it because it involved the other person and both of them wanted to be confidential. Oh, let me tell you, they were not happy.
00:19:56
Lisa
They wanted to know who each other was. And I'm like, y'all asked for confidentiality. cons Consents are signed. I'm sorry. I'm not going release that.
00:20:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:05
Lisa
But yeah, two of them actually didn't know of each other. There was, you you'll notice it. i mean, there's only like three people that didn't want their name released because of, you know, obvious reasons. But yeah, that was interesting.
00:20:16
Lee Hatfield
that that's That's crazy. So, yeah. So how long did it take you to completely get all these stories and then but what? yeah Because obviously you said that you you didn't tell anybody that you were going to write a book.
00:20:31
Lisa
Oh yeah.
00:20:32
Lee Hatfield
So how long how long did it take you to collate all this information?
00:20:35
Lisa
No, it took probably over a year just to start collecting the stories along and then start composing it and then getting permission and then consent. I mean, it took a year just for consent, just to get a simple, a simple form signed and sent back. You know, I mean, that took forever. i mean, I was sending prepaid envelopes and still taking forever. So yeah, that just is what it is. I'm sure.
00:20:58
Lisa
And we were doing it with 20 people, you know, or however many, I don't remember how many were in this thing here.
00:21:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:05
Lisa
But yeah, i mean, uh, yeah, about 16, 17, 18 people. I don't know whatever it was. Yeah. It's a lot. It's enough to get, you know, one or two people to return a consent form, but you do that. Yeah.
00:21:19
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure. So did you did you find that there was a similarity between multiple stories of people that didn't even know each other?
00:21:20
Lisa
can and
00:21:30
Lee Hatfield
Or, yeah, like with regard to a doppelganger? Or was each case completely individual, apart from the two that metdic that knew each other?
00:21:42
Lisa
Yeah, there was a few zodiac signs that were prominent. ah prominent. ah It was, let me look because I don't remember off the top of my head. It was Virgo. We had four Virgos and four Tauruses. That's eight out of the eight of the cases. So that was a little bit more prominent. Yeah.
00:22:03
Lisa
Because, you know, one thing I looked at with that was, you know, how they say like killers, you know, are a specific zodiac sign. Like, is there any correlations? I was like, let me check that out. Check out everybody's zodiac sign. And yeah i don't know about being being killers, but, you know, these people, you know, and then, you know, and and then are they right-handed, left-handed? And then what side of the brain is used and stuff?
00:22:29
Lisa
Instruments, that kind of stuff. I just have noted also, you know, the the places that were noted to have huge cases of doppelgangers being Waverly Hills Sanitarium in Kentucky there and Trans-Allegheny in West Virginia.
00:22:48
Lisa
um um oh another commonality was near-death experiences. a lot of these people had near-death experiences. didn't think
00:22:56
Lee Hatfield
OK, spill the beans. You're intrigued now.
00:23:00
Lisa
yeah Well, you know, it's funny because I had a friend that was actually going to start writing on that topic. i can I don't know if they ever did or not, but, know, they say that in near-death experiences open you up, you know.
00:23:11
Lisa
Yeah.
00:23:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:23:12
Lee Hatfield
Well, I did interview a guy, and I released the episode about a month ago, who was actually on the TV show Project Afterlife, and he was actually interviewing people that had DNA experiences, people that died in car wrecks and then yeah came back after like 20 minutes and stuff like that.
00:23:31
Lisa
Yeah.
00:23:31
Lee Hatfield
So you can kind of understand that there's, after somebody has something like that, they come back for a reason, whatever that reason is. So their life could then become spiritual, if you like.
00:23:47
Lisa
yeah yeah
00:23:48
Lee Hatfield
So for these things to actually happen then, it would kind of like add up and make sense. That kind of,
00:23:59
Lisa
Absolutely. And as far as the right hand, left hand, you know, it's hard to say because, you know, right handed is more prominent, but 13 of the people were right handed out of the, you know, 18 cases or whatever. So all but like five.
00:24:12
Lisa
I don't know if there's any correlation there, but it was just worth, you know, noting like just another factor in there.
00:24:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:24:18
Lisa
And, you know, I asked them all about smells. Did they have any weird smells during these situations? You know, was there any rotten smells? I'd smell anything, anything different or out of the ordinary. wasn't. And,
00:24:28
Lisa
You know people always have that misconception that it's a bad omen. Well, did anything happen with any of these people? No, none of them. There were no deaths. There was nothing that followed. There was nothing. There was only one person. And he, that was a self-doing kind of thing. Had nothing to do with anything.
00:24:46
Lisa
But no, out of all the cases, there was, there was no bad, you know, there's not a bad omen, you know?
00:24:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and that that kind of led, and you've kind of answered my next question, where, know, was there any any negative experiences compared to to good experiences?
00:24:52
Lisa
Yeah.
00:25:02
Lee Hatfield
But you kind of just answered that.
00:25:04
Lisa
Yeah, no, no, not at all. Yeah.
00:25:08
Lee Hatfield
so So I noticed that there's a couple of them, or one in particular, called Warrens. Debbie Mitchell Warren.
00:25:19
Lee Hatfield
Any relation to the Warrens from the investigators, do you know? Did you actually find... look into that at all?
00:25:25
Lisa
Oh,
00:25:27
Lee Hatfield
case Chapter 8, case of Debbie Mitchell Warren. I'm just curious to see if she's related to the Warrens, the investigators.
00:25:36
Lisa
Oh, no, no, She's not. Yeah.
00:25:37
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:25:38
Lisa
Okay. Yeah. I was like, Warren's what? Yeah, no, no, she's not.
00:25:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:25:41
Lisa
I'm sure
00:25:42
Lee Hatfield
That would
Doppelganger Case Variations and Historical Accounts
00:25:43
Lee Hatfield
have been pretty... Yeah. So was most of your investigating or research related to twin strangers or actual doppelganger spirits?
00:25:43
Lisa
she would love that, but no.
00:25:59
Lisa
so To me, they were all more, either, you know, something else going on or a doppelganger type case. I don't, I don't know. know, there was one that could have been more like a twin stranger. Like there was one where he was, at a bar having a drink literally and, um, and,
00:26:15
Lisa
that it was like their twin stranger that they were having a drink with and hung out with and stuff. And I'm like, okay, that that could have been, I mean it was a living, breathing person. So there there was a case or two where I'm like okay, that I could see where that would be just a twin stranger.
00:26:28
Lisa
But otherwise, I mean, you know, is it is it a PK thing? Is it a skinwalker thing? Is it, you know, a crisis apparition? I mean, there's just a variety of options there.
00:26:38
Lisa
don't think all of were true doppelgangers. I think the most true one, in my opinion, would have been stars. Just, and I guess part of that is having been there and knowing who all was in that building and that she had seen him and he wasn't there. He was down in a different area. and so knowing ah ah for me, I mean, it's like, okay, well, what else could it have been?
00:27:00
Lisa
you know, it wasn't native territory. It wasn't like, I don't think it was a deja vu thing. It wasn't a near death thing. don't think it was the time warp. I mean, You know just kind of ruling out, like, with the situation, looking at everything.
00:27:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So did you actually look at it? I know you mentioned like, yeah, a time warp or time travel, but yeah, you have time slips as well.
00:27:24
Lisa
Yeah.
00:27:25
Lee Hatfield
So did you actually look into that aspect of it?
00:27:28
Lisa
I don't think I did as far as time slips. I think I only did just, like, time warp type. Time warp travel kind of. And of course, demons, of course. You got to throw that in there.
00:27:42
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:27:44
Lisa
Psychic projection. attention I added attention seeking. You know, got to add that.
00:27:49
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
00:27:50
Lisa
Got add that in there.
00:27:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:27:52
Lisa
But no, I did not.
00:27:56
Lee Hatfield
So was there also any could any similarities between location? Like, yeah, whether it was America, or u k or
00:28:04
Lisa
Look.
00:28:08
Lisa
Yeah, I mean, I i mean, obviously, they're they're higher. Like I mentioned, Trans-Allegheny and Waverly. and I don't know if that's because there was more activity there, larger locations and all these deaths.
00:28:24
Lisa
And that's why we're seeing more Sufflegangers. I don't know. don't know why certain locations just have these large numbers, you know. That's the only question.
00:28:34
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, it's it's weird because i yeah and i mentioned about the voicing earlier and the only why the only reason why I mentioned that, I was watching a show the other night and it was Expedition X with Josh Gates and two of them were about a quarter of a mile away from the third.
00:28:50
Lisa
Yeah, loved
00:28:57
Lee Hatfield
He called out and he heard the girl respond to him. And there was a history of doppelgangers in that area. And when they played the recording back, the voice sounded exactly like hers, but she was busy puking up about quarter of a mile away.
00:29:06
Lisa
it.
00:29:14
Lisa
Yeah.
00:29:15
Lee Hatfield
so And that's kind of why I mentioned that. so
00:29:18
Lisa
I wonder, like, you know, sometimes when you're investigating a place, you get these whispers and these EVPs that's just, it's almost like they're mimicking or mocking or copying you, you know?
00:29:30
Lisa
wonder if it's something just like that, even. Yeah,
00:29:35
Lee Hatfield
See, I've got your brain thinking now, aren't I'm glad you're talking to me now.
00:29:37
Lisa
yeah. yeah
00:29:40
Lisa
we just
00:29:41
Lee Hatfield
So, and yeah, absolutely.
00:29:41
Lisa
We could just troubleshoot this all day. Yeah.
00:29:44
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah oh ah haven't been working today. I've been trying to figure out really difficult questions to ask you.
00:29:49
Lisa
Oh, we can pass on difficult.
00:29:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah So,
00:29:54
Lee Hatfield
I haven't finished yet. So, what chapter 17, Holly Aldridge, you mentioned that she's a Wiccan.
00:29:56
Lisa
Oh, no.
00:30:04
Lee Hatfield
So did any of the other cases have any kind of background like Wiccan or anything like that, that you can connect?
00:30:15
Lisa
Yeah. No, I mean, half of them were investigators. I mean, so obviously they're going to have their hands and stuff. I don't think any of them were shamans.
00:30:27
Lisa
and As far as Wiccan, it would have just been her. a lot of them were said you know they were sensitive, empathic. But that was really it.
00:30:38
Lisa
Yeah, but i just want to make sure I had a variety. But yeah, I definitely asked them backgrounds and all that.
00:30:43
Lee Hatfield
What
00:30:43
Lisa
No,
Future Projects and Personal Beliefs on Doppelgangers
00:30:43
Lee Hatfield
about people that have medium abilities?
00:30:44
Lisa
none
00:30:46
Lee Hatfield
yeah what about people that have medium abilities were and
00:30:50
Lisa
no none of them just straight said, you know, I, a psychic medium or have history that I'm aware of. Um, just felt empathic, like, Hey, I feel things, see things, you know, kind of, you know, like,
00:31:02
Lee Hatfield
Because I know it's quite common for people to, when they go to an investigation, they can go into a room and the the room feels heavy or they they sense something.
00:31:10
Lisa
yeah.
00:31:13
Lee Hatfield
So when people are experiencing these doppelgangers, was there any similarities of the the sensations that they were feeling?
00:31:24
Lisa
not not like a specific sensation that they all had in common just being freaked out I think was probably the top one like one of them you know walked in and saw um the mother, I believe it was, if I recall correctly, was washing dishes and they said they, they just looked like hell, like they, like death and walked on past like, okay, whatever. I'm going to keep on going and go get past the laundry room and they're, she's in there doing laundry and then turned around and not at the kitchen sink anymore.
00:31:56
Lisa
So, you know, some were just really freaked out by their experiences. so understandably so,
00:32:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure.
00:32:04
Lisa
but not like a, not any other specific sensation.
00:32:10
Lee Hatfield
So what is your personal belief? Like, yeah if I come up to you and say, I've just seen my wife in the kitchen, but then I went down into the basement and she's doing the laundry.
00:32:25
Lee Hatfield
sort like, what's your personal thoughts on what could be happening? yeah Obviously, you've done research into doppelgangers, but yeah.
00:32:31
Lisa
but
00:32:33
Lisa
To me, that sounds like a clear-cut doppelganger case. like The sink and the other, i mean two different places. and There wasn't really a conversation carried on, but there was a full-figure apparition.
00:32:45
Lisa
i mean it to me, it sounds clear-cut. I can't couldn't really think of any other reason he would see that or nothing else really seems to fit. But I'm not an expert. I'm just gathering the information and trying to make sense of it.
00:32:55
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:32:58
Lee Hatfield
You know more than me, so you are an expert. I'm just going to leave it there. but Did reincarnation come into this at all? know you mentioned near-death experiences.
00:33:08
Lisa
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I did list that as one of the possibilities. you Reincarnation is just such a wild thing. And how does that play into it, if anything? And mean, it's wild. You get these kids that, you know, they'll say, oh, yeah, I remember this whole previous life. And they can go into details and remember the city and everything. And they're like nine years old.
00:33:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:32
Lisa
How can you dispute that? You really can't. I mean, no kid's going to come up with all this information.
00:33:38
Lee Hatfield
no
00:33:38
Lisa
Oh,
00:33:39
Lee Hatfield
No. One of my favourite ones is a ah ah three-year-old that was reenacting the life of a pilot in World War II, and his parents were really religious.
00:33:46
Lisa
wow.
00:33:49
Lee Hatfield
ah ah yeah and They were trying to make a ah religious approach of what it was, and in the end, they found out that where this guy was a pilot on a warship,
00:34:01
Lee Hatfield
And they went to the warship and he's actually naming people. has it and he's never yeah And he's never met them.
00:34:05
Lisa
Yeah, think so this kid just knew the name of the ship and the name of everything and they just,
00:34:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. They're like, how?
Closing Thoughts and Future Engagements
00:34:13
Lee Hatfield
How? How?
00:34:15
Lisa
and yeah, well, there's just no explanation.
00:34:17
Lee Hatfield
So next let's touch on the D word, demonic. Do you think there's demonic connections between what's happening and doppelgangers?
00:34:29
Lisa
I don't think there's a connection at all. I mean, I think you sometimes, you know, there could be a mistaken case and it could be something demonic, mimicking, mocking, whatever. But I mean, I think those are far and few between anyways, myself.
00:34:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:34:42
Lisa
I don't believe in many of those cases. I think it's just, you know, pissed off person or whatever. But i I mean, yeah, I don't think it's, there's any correlation at all.
00:34:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I love it how people like like to use the D word far too often. And you go you do realize that like 1%, 1% is kind of real blow.
00:35:03
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:35:04
Lee Hatfield
And then some of the cases in the past where the family or the clergy have been done for like like neglect of the individual and stuff like that. There was one case in the Europe.
00:35:15
Lisa
There's only one case that I've ever suspected, and that would have been the schizophrenic that was doing satanic worshiping because he was actively doing everything possible to worship the devil. You know what I mean? and And not taking his meds and all this. and And there was activity. I don't know if it was like a PK kind of thing or if it was negative, you know, because I didn't spend a whole lot of time there. I you know went one day and I was like, yeah.
00:35:39
Lisa
But so that's a case where like, okay, that could have been.
00:35:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:45
Lisa
but I don't have enough to know for sure.
00:35:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:48
Lee Hatfield
So funnily enough, I did do a ah ah small case on a small course online on demonology. just because. And one thing that I found was really interesting is when you're talking to a schizophrenic, they hear voices from both sides.
00:36:07
Lee Hatfield
Whereas if it's a suspected demonic, you only hear voices from one side. It's like the the devil and the angel kind of thing on your shoulders, which I thought that was very interesting.
00:36:17
Lisa
Yeah.
00:36:20
Lisa
Oh, there's a really good movie.
00:36:21
Lee Hatfield
So...
00:36:22
Lisa
I'll have to find it and send it to you about a schizophrenic. Gosh, somebody turned me on to it and you see him fighting, actively fighting his goodness, bad.
00:36:32
Lisa
And he's, you know, throwing things and crazy.
00:36:34
Lee Hatfield
Oh, that'd be cool.
00:36:36
Lisa
Yeah.
00:36:36
Lee Hatfield
Okay. I know you've made some points in this book and you've kind of put explanations. And this one, i can't wait for you to answer this one. Multidimensional universe.
00:36:48
Lee Hatfield
What do you, yeah. How do you think that's connected?
00:36:49
Lisa
Well,
00:36:52
Lisa
you know, I, I struggle with that one. Cause it's like, you know, they say there's these different dimensions and, you know, i don't know how I feel about it, but I did list it.
00:37:05
Lisa
It's like, you know, with astral travel too, people say, yeah, you're going to this other dimension. I mean, i don't know. What are your thoughts on it?
00:37:16
Lisa
Let's hear your expertise.
00:37:17
Lee Hatfield
Well, that's the...
00:37:17
Lisa
Cause the
00:37:19
Lee Hatfield
Oh, thanks. Put me on the spot.
00:37:20
Lisa
Yeah.
00:37:21
Lee Hatfield
you You remember, I'm asking you the questions, okay? That's a very good question because, yeah, a lot of people go, yeah is our un universe just like a ah ah dot on somebody's nail and all this kind of stuff?
00:37:37
Lee Hatfield
Do multidimensional universes exist? it would explain some things, like it would explain doppelgangers, if you think about it from a scientific point of view.
00:37:45
Lisa
yeah
00:37:49
Lee Hatfield
And the fact that Some people are so naive to think that we are the only living spirits on one little ball in one universe when you've got so many different universes.
00:38:02
Lisa
yeah
00:38:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah You can start talking about UFOs and all that kind of stuff. So dimensional, it's a possibility. But like you say, if you're a decent researcher, you've got to get your evidence. You just can't go, oh that's a good idea. I'm going to go with that.
00:38:21
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah. That's one that's really hard to prove or disprove.
00:38:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:38:26
Lisa
Like, you know, that it's a possibility, but you know,
00:38:31
Lee Hatfield
And that's the fun thing about doing what we do.
00:38:32
Lisa
What's that, I don't want to brain fart here, but the the files, that
00:38:41
Lisa
the files that you can go up, that store when you meditate.
00:38:46
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:47
Lisa
I
00:38:50
Lee Hatfield
Come on, Lisa. Come on. Think, think, think, think.
00:38:51
Lisa
know. It's like, this is an A. I want to say Akashi, Akashi record.
00:38:56
Lee Hatfield
okay
00:38:57
Lisa
And i I do believe in that, you know, but I mean, so, and that's kind of similar, you know.
00:39:01
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:39:05
Lee Hatfield
But I think yeah something like what we're discussing tonight, yeah you start with something like this and then it just opens up a whole can of worms and you can just go into, well, this it could be this, could be this, could be this, could be this.
00:39:19
Lee Hatfield
And you just can't get an answer. Okay, so let's talk about a few famous people. I know you mentioned Abraham Lincoln at the bit and beginning. So let's kind of go into him and what experience he had.
00:39:33
Lisa
Yeah, I mean, here's a he's a cool one. I mean, I i like him. I've always liked Abraham, though. You know, back when you're in school and you learn about presidents. Yeah,
00:39:43
Lee Hatfield
so i mean I'm from England. We didn't do that.
00:39:45
Lisa
yeah, yeah. yeah
00:39:46
Lee Hatfield
we you We did kings and queens instead.
00:39:48
Lisa
On honest Abe is what they called him.
00:39:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:39:50
Lisa
Good old honest Abe. but Yeah. I mean, he said he saw his own doppelganger and he had, he was laying down, looked in a mirror and then he went running to, to, he saw two faces and they say that he, he ran to grab his wife and and tell her. And by the time he got back, it was gone. you know, there was, there was a lot of report about her doing stuff in, in the, ah ah in the white house there, you know, at,
00:40:16
Lisa
Let me see what I got noted here. It's been a hot second.
00:40:22
Lisa
I know he saw it a second time, too. He told a close friend, and his friend had documented it a journal. But what was it his wife? think she was doing Ouija boards or something in the White House.
00:40:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that probably doesn't help.
00:40:37
Lisa
I'm going look at it. No. abraham lincoln's wife so i mean that it wasn't just him his his wife was doing stuff too i don't know if you'll come up easily or not but i remember that
00:40:56
Lee Hatfield
Probably not. Just because you need it to, it won't. You know that.
00:40:59
Lisa
yeah yeah i know i love it yeah but
00:40:59
Lee Hatfield
That's what technology is all about.
00:41:05
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so let's come back to him if you if you can find something. But somebody closer to home for me, Queen Elizabeth the first
00:41:10
Lisa
a Oh, we'll clean up with Elizabeth. Yeah, we can go with her.
00:41:13
Lee Hatfield
yes sir
00:41:15
Lisa
She was said to be level-headed and charismatic. Can't talk tonight. Yeah, but she she said, seeing hers sprawled out, her doppelganger in her bed, like a ah ah corpse, she's described it.
00:41:30
Lisa
So that's quite interesting. Some of these people I don't know. There's like a Sir Frederick Karn-Rosch. He's in the British Parliament. I don't know all these people. You may know him. He's from 1906.
00:41:46
Lee Hatfield
bit before my time, but thanks.
00:41:47
Lisa
Yeah, right.
00:41:50
Lee Hatfield
What are you trying to say?
00:41:52
Lisa
Well, Catherine the Great is before your time, but she also, she's
00:41:57
Lee Hatfield
went to school with her. What are you talking about?
00:42:00
Lisa
Right. She was reportedly told by servants that she was seen sitting on the throne when she was laying in her bed by several people, several servants in her case.
00:42:11
Lee Hatfield
You do realise that the throne in the UK means toilet. it
00:42:18
Lisa
Meet me. What?
00:42:19
Lee Hatfield
It means toilet. You do realise. I'm going to sit on the throne.
00:42:22
Lisa
and
00:42:23
Lee Hatfield
and it move
00:42:26
Lisa
Oh, gosh.
00:42:26
Lee Hatfield
let's go
00:42:27
Lisa
It's not that kind of throne, huh
00:42:27
Lee Hatfield
just Okay.
00:42:29
Lisa
You guys and y'all's words.
00:42:30
Lee Hatfield
okay We like twisting words. It's what we do.
00:42:34
Lisa
You do. You do.
00:42:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:42:36
Lisa
And then of course, pet doppelgangers. I mean, yeah and just like voices, you know, you're like, well, what about voices? Well, and it stands to reason there could be pet ones too. There was people reporting to see cats and cat doppelgangers.
00:42:49
Lisa
So I guess anything's possible.
00:42:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's like I said, yeah this it just opens up a whole new, a whole big can of worms, to be fair, doesn't it?
00:43:00
Lisa
i Now you got me thinking about the whole voice thing though now. I'm like, I wonder how many cases there are with that.
00:43:08
Lee Hatfield
I think it's more than what you actually realise.
00:43:10
Lisa
Probably so. Yeah.
00:43:11
Lee Hatfield
Because, yeah even with modern-day communication, radios, walkie-talkies, cell phones, stuff like that, i think But trying to prove that you heard it and trying to prove that it sounded like an individual's voice, that's something that you've really got to try and work out.
00:43:32
Lisa
But if you put it on EVP, though, or on you know on a recording, i mean that's gold. mean just But then to prove that it's not that person. i mean, if you've got witnesses around.
00:43:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So we are coming to towards the end of it. And I'll like some of the subjects that we've spoken about, it really does get your mind thinking about what actually is a doppelganger.
00:43:55
Lisa
Yeah.
00:43:55
Lee Hatfield
But talk to me about the Switzerland study.
00:44:00
Lisa
Ooh. Switzerland.
00:44:03
Lee Hatfield
Without looking at your book.
00:44:04
Lisa
Yeah. you You're going to make refresh my memory here. No, there was, there was some scientists back in 2006. They were using some kind of electrical stimulation, the temporal temporal parietal lobe of the brain. Um, Um, and it has to do with schizophrenics where I'm getting notifications here.
00:44:25
Lisa
and,
00:44:33
Lisa
So they were they were doing that stimulation to see if they can reproduce them seeing and feeling their double. So they're saying it has to do with the part of the brain. so that one I don't recall the entire thing.
00:44:48
Lisa
oh speaking of which, Dr. Chuck Kennedy, he was doing studies on eeg with EEGs. Are you familiar with that? That has to do with the brain as well and the paranormal in the same correlation.
00:45:01
Lisa
So he's a good one to look up. He's a medium. He actually recently passed.
00:45:05
Lee Hatfield
That would
00:45:06
Lisa
But he's listed in that same Switzerland study down further.
00:45:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah that'll be interesting to actually realize when you're interviewing these people, as if if you can have them attached to like an EEG or a lie detector even and so yeah to find out if it what's really going on.
00:45:21
Lisa
look Yeah.
00:45:27
Lee Hatfield
Because with an EEG, you might find.
00:45:27
Lisa
That's what he did. So he took people, hooked them up to the EEG, and then took them on investigations and had them investigate and see what their brain was mapping and doing and did that with very prominent mediums.
00:45:36
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:45:43
Lisa
He did it with a lot of people, but known mediums as well. And at the same time, he was checking like their EKG, their blood sugars. He saw blood sugars dipping during these periods.
00:45:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:45:53
Lisa
So he was seeing different correlations. pretty interesting i don't i don't recall all of the 18 switzerland study that's a good one to look up as well as that twin stranger one at the beginning of the book i don't remember all the all the details it's been a minute since i've looked at that but i do remember on twin stranger one not just the 2d and the 3d but they also they were doing dna stuff
00:45:57
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah.
00:46:17
Lisa
And I remember that being interesting. I don't remember the details of that, but I remember thinking that's something didn't put in the book because I didn't want to spill everything into the book, but it's definitely worth going in.
00:46:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah. You've always got to leave yourself space for ah ah a book too, just in case, just in case.
00:46:33
Lisa
yeah Yeah. Book two with DNA and the voices.
00:46:36
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:39
Lisa
know
00:46:40
Lee Hatfield
And then just just put Lee said, and like just in brackets, so I'll get a name in your book.
00:46:45
Lisa
Thank you, Lee.
00:46:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So one final question. if you I know we've kind of touched on it already, but if you could categorically point to one single cause that causes doppelgangers, and know we've spoken about a few different causes, what would be your most prominent cause to go to?
00:47:13
Lisa
that's That's a really good question. You know, I'm not sure because
00:47:20
Lisa
there's all these different situations and scenarios that they're happening in. I mean, yeah, you got the commonalities of, you know, being right-handed and certain signs that are seeing it, but why is it occurring in those situations?
00:47:33
Lisa
Is it and an interdimensional thing where they're coming from that? You know, I don't know. I'm not sure the exact cause.
00:47:41
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, because because um I'm just going to finish with one point. and You mentioned about all these different things and yeah how it could affect the mind. And I know you've got a medical background. so have i I. was a paramedic for 13 years.
00:47:55
Lisa
That's right.
00:47:56
Lee Hatfield
And when I went to a a walk-in centre, we got a guy that had a head injury. And he was a known epileptic.
00:48:09
Lee Hatfield
So the nursing staff are going, oh, he's had an epileptic seizure. He's just coming around, blah, blah, blah. So when I get him in the ambulance and i start talking to him, he went, I didn't have an epileptic seizure.
00:48:23
Lee Hatfield
Oh, it's all right. Well, it says here that you did. He goes, no, I didn't. I went, well, how could you be so sure? He went, i I didn't see my guide, a guy dressed in top hat and tails.
00:48:34
Lee Hatfield
Whenever I see him, I know I'm going to have a seizure. So I lay down, I let my seizure happen, and then I recover. He says, but for this one, I don't know what happened. It wasn't a seizure, and I wasn't postictal.
00:48:49
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, huh, how am I going to explain that to the nurses at the hospital?
00:48:54
Lisa
yeah This one wasn't a seizure. he didn't see a spirit guide at this one.
00:48:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. So, know, the brain can and does do things that we don't understand.
00:49:06
Lisa
Right.
00:49:07
Lee Hatfield
So how much of this is physical existence compared to something that your brain is is forming in front of you that you think is a ah ah replica of yourself or somebody that you know
00:49:25
Lisa
Yeah. Yeah. How much is a physical apparition versus in the head?
00:49:29
Lee Hatfield
exactly so that's something really ponder really reallyly finishing with something that you can ponder on now book two
00:49:30
Lisa
Psychological. Yeah.
00:49:37
Lisa
Oh, absolutely. now you're going to have going crazy all night thinking on this.
00:49:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So when you don't sleep tonight, just...
00:49:44
Lisa
I'll be thinking you. I'll be like, maybe you, Lee.
00:49:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so be mess I'll be getting all these messages in the morning. just so like you You ass.
00:49:52
Lisa
It could be this.
00:49:52
Lee Hatfield
You ass. You kept me awake all night.
00:49:53
Lisa
It could be that.
00:49:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:49:55
Lisa
Yeah.
00:49:55
Lee Hatfield
Lisa, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. We've had some really good like examples of what a doppelganger can be. i've I've put your brain at work, which I think is absolutely lovely. Yay. Yay.
00:50:08
Lisa
Cannot be a twin stranger.
00:50:10
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, yes. Yeah, well, I don't think you and got this.
00:50:11
Lisa
that I know.
00:50:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, i don't think you and i but
00:50:13
Lisa
Other than that, it's a possibility.
00:50:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah yeah. You and I are never going to be twin strangers. just I'm just saying. just to But again, it's been absolute but an absolute pleasure talking to you. I thank you for your time.
00:50:27
Lee Hatfield
and
00:50:27
Lisa
Yeah, it was good talking to you. Thanks.
00:50:29
Lee Hatfield
When you write your second book, you have to come back.
00:50:31
Lisa
Oh, absolutely.
00:50:33
Lee Hatfield
Okay, thanks so much. Take care.
00:50:35
Lisa
Bye. bye