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S1 E19 - Charlie Hall - Paranormal Writer/Researcher, Medium, Haunted Magazine Ambassador, Horror Writer/Filmer
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In this week's fun episode we talk about 'Hashtag' Zombie Hickey, which resulted from Charlie's appearance in the short movie Arty Politics.
Up next we speak about her involvement in the short story Lake on the Cabin, where she was the Production Assistant, and had its premier screening at Horrorcon in Sheffield UK.
We then shift pace, and talk about her experiences as a medium, Dunluce Castle, Bonamargy and the Crumlin Road Gaol, all in Ireland, UK.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to SIPA Paranormal Chronicles
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles.
Meet Charlie 'Zombie Hickey' Hall
00:00:17
Lee Hatfield
Today i am delighted to have Charlie Hall. However, she's not called Charlie Hall anymore. It's Charlie hashtag zombie hickey Hall, but we'll get to that in a minute.
Charlie's Paranormal and Film Career
00:00:28
Lee Hatfield
ah Charlie is a paranormal writer, researcher, medium. She's the ambassador for Haunted magazine in the UK. She's a horror writer and she's a filmer and she does all that kind of stuff that we're going to talk to.
00:00:41
Lee Hatfield
So hashtag, I mean, zombie.
00:00:41
Charlie
Yes.
00:00:42
Lee Hatfield
No, I mean, Charlie, welcome.
00:00:43
Charlie
good Hello. Yeah. Thank you very much for for inviting me on Yeah.
00:00:48
Lee Hatfield
See, you didn't know was going to do that, did you?
00:00:51
Charlie
No, I didn't. Everyone's talking about my hickey at the minute.
00:00:53
Lee Hatfield
this
00:00:54
Charlie
My zombie hickey.
00:00:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:00:55
Charlie
Thank
00:00:56
Lee Hatfield
So thank you for joining us today. and
00:00:59
Charlie
you.
00:01:00
Lee Hatfield
We know that we've that you've about had another podcast with a good very good friend of mine called Joe. And as you guys did it, hi, Joe.
00:01:06
Charlie
Yeah.
00:01:07
Lee Hatfield
Let's speak to Joe. So let's talk about your new name.
Acting in 'Party Politics'
00:01:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, everyone's calling you Zombie Hickey. So let's please go with why are you called now so now called Zombie Hickey?
00:01:16
Charlie
yeah
00:01:22
Charlie
Well, this was me and a local film crew. We recently made a film called Party Politics. and It's just a short film. And it's all about, well, my character in it. I was a police officer turned zombie.
00:01:36
Charlie
And it was really funny because when they first asked me to do the film, I was kind of like, hmm, a police officer. And as soon as they said, you're going to be a zombie, I was so excited. I was like, yes, I'm going to do it, definitely.
00:01:46
Charlie
But the makeup artist, I mean, she was fantastic. And she did, everybody had all these of, you know, bites all on her necks and and on ah ah just sort of all around here. And they really looked like hickeys, though.
00:02:00
Charlie
Everyone said they looked like hickeys, even though they had the the blood coming out and everything else. So that's why people start calling me that. but
00:02:07
Lee Hatfield
I really think that you should start like a fan group or get some t-shirts with zombie hickey on it.
00:02:12
Charlie
Yes.
00:02:12
Lee Hatfield
And then it would be a side, it would be a sideline.
00:02:13
Charlie
za me
00:02:16
Lee Hatfield
So we know we've mentioned zombie hickey and yeah everyone's like getting on that bandwagon and call you that instead of Charlie.
Premiere of 'Lake on the Cabin'
00:02:24
Charlie
yeah
00:02:24
Lee Hatfield
But, Last weekend, you attended HorrorCon UK in Sheffield, which for all all those that don't know, it's a HorrorCon and it's in Sheffield.
00:02:30
Charlie
yeah
00:02:35
Charlie
yeah
00:02:36
Lee Hatfield
So you actually premiered a new movie as well.
00:02:41
Charlie
Yes, so that is film by director, Jim Carter, producer, Owen Rees, Stain, Lake on the Cabin. It is a really wicked short psychological horror that I got invited on to be production assistant.
00:02:55
Charlie
Last week we were absolutely ecstatic. when we found out that we'd been selected for the HorrorCon UK, which is a big festival up there, really big event, and it was their 10th anniversary as well.
00:03:06
Charlie
But the the film itself, it's about a lady who is an artist. She goes to a cabin and she's sort struggling with mental health and with what's real, what's not real.
00:03:16
Charlie
And when she gets to the cabin though, it's kind of like, is there something else there as well? So it's a really good, fun film and I enjoyed my time on that so much.
00:03:26
Lee Hatfield
Now, I've heard a little whisper that you've got a bit of a story about a mannequin.
00:03:31
Charlie
Yes. oh you know It absolutely made my time on the filming because and we do we had a mannequin in the film. She was one of the main parts in it, actually. And at one point, the director, he said, I really want to you know go for a bigger scene in the film, like a bigger shot. And he said, because where we were, we had this just beautiful, beautiful big wooden cabin you know by a lake that we had hired for the shoot.
00:03:56
Charlie
And he said, well, I want a picture of the mannequin over the other side of the lake. And we're like, what? This is a big lake. And so me and the producer, we literally, half and half of this mannequin, carrying it along. And bearing in mind, this was winter. It was January. It was freezing cold. And we're oh my goodness.
00:04:14
Charlie
And we got over the bridge, not realizing
Film's Festival Journey
00:04:16
Charlie
the whole other side was thick, knee-deep mud. And of course, we weren't exactly prepared. We were in like little trainers and not kind of, you know, winter appropriate.
00:04:26
Charlie
And as both of us are hanging on to this mannequin, I got completely stuck in the mud. And I'm standing, I'm going, oh my God, I can't move. was like, don't we're going drop her. And literally the two of us ended up trying to pull each other out of the mud. It was just like something out of a comedy show.
00:04:39
Charlie
But we got around with the other side in the end and the shot is absolutely killer. It's a wicked shot, but yeah, we we nearly lost the mannequin in the process. so
00:04:47
Lee Hatfield
Oh, no. Yeah. And I think, as as my friend Joe said, see save the mannequin. The actors are expendable.
00:04:53
Charlie
Yes.
00:04:55
Lee Hatfield
so So we will this lake on the cabin be ah ah available for members of the public to watch? or Yeah.
00:05:04
Charlie
Yeah. I mean, at the moment, because it's going through the festival circuit, you know, it's going through the the events, it's not available at the minute. But after the festival, then we will upload it online.
00:05:16
Charlie
It will be put online. And we are at the moment working on a So, yes.
00:05:22
Lee Hatfield
Oh, excited.
00:05:24
Charlie
Yeah, so we're really excited. We want to do something, you know, more with that because it's had such a great response so far as well. And we're so grateful, you know, to the festivals. And as said, HorrorCon was fantastic. All the costumes there, you should see it.
00:05:34
Lee Hatfield
So, oh, I was going to ask you about that.
00:05:35
Charlie
All the people dressed up. Oh, it's amazing.
00:05:38
Lee Hatfield
So let's go into horror con because I was going to ask you if the mannequin does autographs and selfies.
00:05:39
Charlie
Yes. Mm. Mm.
00:05:44
Lee Hatfield
But less let's go on to the horror con.
00:05:44
Charlie
Mm.
00:05:46
Lee Hatfield
So for somebody that doesn't know what horror con is, but I can guess by the title.
00:05:46
Charlie
yes
00:05:52
Lee Hatfield
What went on there? What yeah what kind of things could you do? Could you see?
00:05:56
Charlie
Yeah, I mean there was all sorts of stalls, you know, people selling horror books, horror films, ah amazing ornaments, pictures, posters, like everything horror, everything horror you could buy there. But for me, because I haven't been to such a big horror event like that one, oh I love the costumes, people really went over and above, you know, Freddie Krueger walking around and and Captain Howdy and zombies and oh it was just fantastic.
00:06:22
Charlie
I absolutely loved looking at them all. i was like, can have a picture of Picture of Picture please?
00:06:28
Lee Hatfield
because it It's really funny because I'm i'm involved with Comic Cons in over this side of the pond and we get so many different costumes.
00:06:33
Charlie
Maybe same.
00:06:35
Lee Hatfield
And I think one of the best I ever saw, not quite horror, but it kind of is, is we saw husband and wife dressed in business suits, white shirt, black ties.
00:06:39
Charlie
Yeah.
00:06:47
Lee Hatfield
And whenever they saw a Batman, they used to throw themselves to the floor and put out a little sign saying Batman's parents.
00:06:47
Charlie
yeah
00:06:56
Lee Hatfield
Which was like absolutely really cool. But you see so many different like costumes at these events. yeah These people must take months and months and months making these costumes.
00:07:04
Charlie
Yeah.
00:07:07
Charlie
Yeah.
00:07:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and like last year we had Robert England, Freddy Krueger, and the Nightmare on Elm Street cast in Montreal, and everyone was bringing like the the yeah the gloves for for Robert to sign, and of course a lot of these are made out of metal, so doing the job I got do, it's like, can I have that?
00:07:13
Charlie
o
00:07:17
Charlie
We're
00:07:22
Charlie
fine, yeah.
00:07:27
Lee Hatfield
Thank you very much. You can have it back after the sign.
00:07:28
Charlie
but she yeah Oh, no.
00:07:30
Lee Hatfield
But is that is that the first time you've been to Horicon?
00:07:34
Charlie
Yeah, it is. i mean I've been to some of the smaller Comic Cons, but not Horicon like that. yeah That was a new experience for me.
00:07:40
Lee Hatfield
So, okay, so is it the same thing like a normal convention where you have celebrities from the the world of horror?
00:07:42
Charlie
It was brilliant.
00:07:49
Charlie
Yeah. Yeah. So they do. Whereas, you know, in some of the smaller events, everything's all in the one place with this one, because there were also some higher profile actors and people there, they kind of had that separate to the main event. And then you had your actual film room where all the, you know, films were screened. And and I was very fortunate because I got to meet with the Nicholas Vince from Hellraiser.
00:08:09
Charlie
So was really excited.
00:08:09
Lee Hatfield
Oh, that's really cool.
00:08:10
Charlie
Yeah. Really nice guy. Yeah.
00:08:12
Lee Hatfield
So were you there as media, for example, because you were part of Lake on the Cabin? Were you there as an attendee? Were you signing books? Or what was your role at HorrorCon?
00:08:25
Charlie
Yeah. I mean, we were literally just there because our film was screening. we got invited to to come along for that. then it was, it's just the perfect place to, you know, catch up with some of my horror friends and horror filmers and meet new people and find out a lot more about the industry. And yeah.
00:08:41
Lee Hatfield
That sounds really cool. Okay, so let's yeah that's all the stuff that's been happening over the last few weeks.
Charlie's Paranormal Experiences Begin
00:08:46
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:08:47
Charlie
Yeah.
00:08:47
Lee Hatfield
We have to mention the lake on the cabin. We have to member sorry we have to mention Zombie Hickey. So you've had a pretty much involved life with the paranormal.
00:08:58
Lee Hatfield
So can you start off with some of your earlier experiences with the paranormal and how you got involved to the person that you are now?
00:08:59
Charlie
Yeah.
00:09:08
Charlie
Yeah. I mean, from a very young age, used to see and hear things that other people couldn't. i used to know things, like I would just meet people and I'd know something about them. And I mean, not my mum told me that when I was about, I think, three or four years old, her and my stepfather heard me in a room, like laughing hysterically.
00:09:29
Charlie
And they sort went in the room to see what was happening. And my mum said, I was rolling around on the floor, you know, like this, just giggling hysterically. There's no one else in the room. And then apparently they asked me what was happening and what was I doing? And I said, the man, mummy, the man's tickling me.
00:09:43
Charlie
And of course, they're horrified. There's nobody there. And then she sort of said, to you know, asked me to describe the man and how I felt. And my mum does believe that the man I described was her father who passed away when she was 13th.
00:09:56
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:09:57
Charlie
Yeah, and ever since then, i mean, I started to sort of, it was worse in my teen years. My teen years, it got really quite heightened. know, I started getting really vivid dreams and I'd wake up in the night seeing spirit.
00:10:10
Charlie
would hear it all the time. I'd know when it was around and I didn't really know what to do. so i So, you know, joined a spiritual circle just to try and work out what it was and and how I could live with it and deal with it. And then from there, I started doing mediumship.
00:10:26
Charlie
I started giving readings in spiritualist centres and to friends. and My mum is a medium as well, so she actually goes on stage with me. Sometimes we we give linked readings together.
00:10:37
Lee Hatfield
Oh, cool. So one thing that I'm always curious about, they must of there must have been a time in your life where you...
00:10:41
Charlie
yeah
00:10:46
Lee Hatfield
stopped thinking it was going to it was something strange that maybe only happened to you or happened yet you weren't sure if it was happening to other people.
Balancing Music and Paranormal Abilities
00:10:55
Charlie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:55
Lee Hatfield
So was there a turning point in your life where you accepted what it was and and rather than kind of turned away from it, you actually exe it accepted it, embraced it and moved forward with it?
00:11:09
Charlie
yeah In my teens, when it got, you know, it really got quite sort of heavy and prominent and all the time, I did struggle with it. And i did, I sort as i said, went to the spiritualist churches, started to find out more.
00:11:24
Charlie
And then I guess I just kind of accepted from then, this is just part of me and this is what I can do. And my mum does it as well. I did kind of move away from it a little while in the, you know, in my later teens because my music career then took over and I did that full time.
00:11:39
Charlie
it was always there. So no matter where I was, what I was doing, even if I didn't fully focus on it, always like, you know, sometimes if I've been out and about and even just with strangers, I can sometimes see spirits standing behind them.
00:11:53
Charlie
or around them. So it was just there. But i just didn't actually connect with it more until later on after my music career again. And I went fully back into it.
00:12:00
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:12:01
Charlie
Fully back into it.
00:12:02
Lee Hatfield
And we we can talk about your music career in ah in in a little while because we know that you've got a little bit of a famous father. But we'll talk about that in a few minutes. But I want to cape keep on with your mediumship right now.
00:12:15
Charlie
Yeah.
00:12:15
Lee Hatfield
So for somebody that admits that as far as they're aware, I don't have any abilities, when you experience a spirit,
00:12:26
Charlie
Yeah.
00:12:26
Lee Hatfield
yeah How do you see it or how do you feel? How do you hear? yeah
00:12:30
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:31
Lee Hatfield
Can you differentiate between a human and a spirit or do they look similar? Can you kind of give me the insight on that, please?
00:12:37
Charlie
Yeah.
00:12:39
Charlie
The only way I can kind of describe it, because it is it's is quite hard to describe actually, is like say when I'm looking with my my actual eyes, you know, how we see normally. it's almost like I see inside my mind here, it's an overlay, like another screen over the top of it.
00:12:57
Charlie
So I'll be looking at someone and then I'll see almost like a silhouette of someone else behind them. Or it comes through, like if I said to you now, what did you do yesterday lunchtime?
00:13:09
Charlie
And then you know the way in your mind then you think and see that vision of, I don't know, where you were and in the coffee shop at lunchtime. That is then how I see the information,
00:13:19
Charlie
from the spirit or about the people in their lives, it then comes through in like pictures, like a memory. It's strange though, because like when I'm on platform, I never know how spirit are going to come through because sometimes I just sense them and then I hear things.
00:13:35
Charlie
But again, even with the hearing, when I say hearing, it's not like I actually hear it all the time in my physical ways, like I do sometimes. But again, it's like it's in your head and I just hear it. And then eventually I start to get the visions as well.
00:13:48
Charlie
So it's quite complex and hard to explain, but yeah.
00:13:52
Lee Hatfield
and it's And I find that really fascinating because I've asked a couple of different mediums exactly the same question.
00:13:54
Charlie
Yeah.
00:13:59
Charlie
boom
00:13:59
Lee Hatfield
And that answer is different every single time.
00:14:02
Charlie
Yeah.
00:14:02
Lee Hatfield
And it's really cool that you get different perspectives of how they hear, see, et cetera. Just for the record, yesterday lunchtime, was sat in the lunchroom in the office watching zombies because we want we're going through The Walking Dead at lunchtime.
00:14:09
Charlie
Hmm.
00:14:14
Charlie
yeah
00:14:18
Lee Hatfield
So we're back to zombies and hickeys, but...
00:14:18
Charlie
Oh yay!
00:14:21
Charlie
but
00:14:23
Lee Hatfield
So how did you get into writing? Because you you mentioned that you have yeah you had a bit of a musical career. So that's before we go into the writing, and let's get start about your musical career. So how did you get into the musical career? And did you think you were going to be famous and on top of the pops every week?
00:14:43
Charlie
Well, I've always, when I was a child, I just was always drawn to creative things, whether it was writing, music. I used to sing in choirs, you know, all my favourite sort of pop stars at the time and rock stars. I used to just, you know, learn their songs, sing them, play them on guitar.
00:14:59
Charlie
And then I joined my first band as a guitarist when I was 14, I think. And I just loved it so much. I was like, this is what I want to do. I lived and breathed music and...
00:15:11
Charlie
It was nice because I actually sort of in my lyrics and in in the music that I wrote, took out it was an expression of all my feelings and everything. So it actually helped me through life as well. But then I eventually joined a girl rock group called The Suffragettes.
00:15:26
Charlie
And yeah, we got signed to a subsidiary of Sony and we went to America, did our album over there and toured the UK lots and played with some really cool bands. And it was very good fun.
00:15:38
Charlie
Very good fun, Rose.
00:15:39
Lee Hatfield
And did you did you think that this is a career for me, this is how my life is going to go forward?
00:15:45
Charlie
Yeah, I mean, i wanted to do music and I hoped I was going to do music. And then, you know, the universe just took me on a different path afterwards. But no, it was great, especially in America. Loved America.
00:15:57
Lee Hatfield
So would I be writing in thinking that you had some inside influence from your music career due to who your father is?
00:16:06
Charlie
Well, do you know, the funny thing is, I didn't actually meet my father until I was a teenager. I knew of him. I'd heard about it because my dad, Clive Culbertson, was in Van Morrison.
00:16:17
Charlie
And funny enough, it's really bizarre because we never knew each other and we lived in completely different places. But we both play bass. We're both writers. We're both, you know, singers.
00:16:29
Charlie
I'm a medium. He's a mystic. And so we were exactly like each other. And when I did meet him, it was great because I was going through my music career.
00:16:33
Lee Hatfield
that is
00:16:38
Charlie
He was advising me with, you know, everything I was doing. And he's now a producer, so he's got a recording studio. So, you know, I'm able to go over there and record when I want to and when I need to. So it's really good fun.
00:16:48
Charlie
And it's nice working with him as well, you know, putting both of our different musical influences.
00:16:51
Lee Hatfield
But is it the case of, like, Charlie, you need to do that song again? Yes, Dad.
00:16:58
Charlie
Well, it's funny because we we think quite similarly. And I remember when I did my last EP over there, he was like, darling, I think you need to add another wee harmony. So, and i'll be like, yeah. And then we had another one on top and he was like, yep, that works, darling. You know, so we really bounced up each other and it worked.
00:17:15
Charlie
But yeah, his knowledge and what he is way beyond mine on the tech side of music. So ah ah yeah, it's been really good working over there with him.
00:17:22
Lee Hatfield
that That sounds like a complete blast. So yeah you started off being in a girl band, girl rock band, and then all of a sudden, your career path took a dog's leg and you went into to a different direction.
00:17:25
Charlie
Yeah.
00:17:30
Charlie
yeah
00:17:39
Charlie
Yeah.
00:17:40
Lee Hatfield
So...
00:17:41
Charlie
Well, I think after the music, I sort of just pondered on a while about what I was going to do and where I was going to go. and Again, I'd gone back to writing. I started writing some short stories. And then and did actually head back to the mediumship and the spirit work.
00:17:56
Charlie
But this time I got more and more into the more paranormal investigation side of it.
Writing About Paranormal Investigations
00:18:00
Charlie
I was doing both. i was you know carrying out investigations around the UK. I've done a lot of in ireland Northern Ireland.
00:18:07
Charlie
And i ended up just, you know, contacting a few magazines and obviously contacted Haunted. And yeah, I started writing for them in, actually it was during COVID.
00:18:19
Charlie
Started writing for them and then I had some horror fiction published as well. And I just loved it so much and I wanted to write about my experiences because people ask me a lot about where I've been, I've experienced, you know, paranormally.
00:18:33
Charlie
And I thought, well, I love writing. I love the paranormal the mediumship. Why not do both together?
00:18:39
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Sounds like a great plan.
00:18:40
Charlie
Oh,
00:18:41
Lee Hatfield
So can you remember your very first paranormal investigation you went on?
00:18:47
Charlie
my very first investigation.
00:18:52
Charlie
Do you know, I've been on so many, I can't even remember the first one because I've been so many places.
00:18:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:18:57
Charlie
It probably would have been...
00:19:02
Charlie
some of the Northern Irish ones. actually can't remember my first one. I've done that many, I can't remember.
00:19:08
Lee Hatfield
i'm i'm I'm so glad that I've caught you out on that one.
00:19:13
Charlie
Yeah. Because I always, wherever I go, in fairness, wherever I go, and even if it's not like an actual official paranormal investigation, i.e. with all the gear and all the equipment, Everywhere I go, i can't help but do a mediumistic sweep.
00:19:26
Charlie
So it will be, every you know, even if it's just down into a new town or if I go to a church, like a nice church or some ruins or anywhere, I always tune in.
00:19:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:35
Charlie
Yeah.
00:19:36
Lee Hatfield
Because it's really interesting because, as I mentioned, but my friend Joe, we went to a ah ah jail about... an hour and a half away.
00:19:45
Charlie
Yeah.
00:19:46
Lee Hatfield
And we had a medium with us. It's the first time I've ever worked with a medium. And she's going, and this place was like ground floor, first floor.
00:19:49
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:19:53
Lee Hatfield
And she went, there's a third floor to this. And I went, no, no, there isn't. There never has been. It's always been just the two levels.
00:19:58
Charlie
Yeah.
00:19:59
Lee Hatfield
She went, no, there's a third floor. And I'm going, there isn't. There is not a third floor. And at the very end, she says, yeah is there anything that I don't know? And I said, well,
00:20:11
Lee Hatfield
And this was like in the deepest of winter. So you go outside, you've got like two foot of snow.
00:20:13
Charlie
Yep.
00:20:15
Charlie
Oh God.
00:20:15
Lee Hatfield
So we couldn't really go out into the courtyard, but that's where they used to hang people.
00:20:21
Charlie
Oh.
00:20:21
Lee Hatfield
And there was three graves and the in the courtyard that because of the snow, she didn't really pick up on because she never walked over that area.
00:20:26
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:20:31
Charlie
Yeah.
00:20:32
Lee Hatfield
And I said, oh, there's three people buried. And she went... Where? I went, in the courtyard. And she went, there's your third floor.
00:20:37
Charlie
Oh my goodness.
00:20:38
Lee Hatfield
There's your there's your third level.
00:20:40
Charlie
Yeah.
00:20:40
Lee Hatfield
And because sensing the bodies lower than ground level, in her mind's eye, she was picking up that there was three levels to this building.
00:20:52
Charlie
Yeah, something else there.
00:20:54
Charlie
Incredible.
00:20:54
Lee Hatfield
and yeah And I thoroughly enjoyed working with her because I like to call myself a skeptic with an open mind.
00:21:00
Lee Hatfield
So if you come on on an investigation with us, I'm going to keep information from you deliberately because I want to see what the connection is.
00:21:00
Charlie
Yeah.
00:21:07
Charlie
Oh yeah.
00:21:10
Charlie
What I can pick up on.
00:21:11
Lee Hatfield
So if somebody got hung by the name of yeah Peter and then you come up with, oh, this this guy, Peter, then I can put a connection to it and that's better evidence.
00:21:21
Charlie
Yeah. Oh, definitely.
00:21:23
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah. So is that the kind?
00:21:25
Charlie
And I do that as well.
00:21:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, you do you do exactly the same.
00:21:29
Charlie
Yeah. So if i know every medium says this, but we, you know, I do like with, any place I go to, I'll know that somebody said, Oh, this place is possibly haunted or this is a cool place, but I don't look anything up.
00:21:41
Charlie
I don't find out about it because I like to just go in and sense whatever, you know, I can feel and what I can see.
Experiences at Crumlin Road Jail
00:21:48
Charlie
And, uh, it's strange because as a, cause I pick it up in normal everyday life as well.
00:21:54
Charlie
It's just kind of there wherever we go into. I mean, you're talking about jails. there was We actually went to the Crumlin jail in Northern Ireland.
00:22:05
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:22:05
Charlie
That's in Belfast. And I mean, that was intense. I mean, always when you go to somewhere that's got more of a negative past and a negative history, I get super sensitive, like I feel a lot more. And I remember in the Crumlin jail when I got into the reception area,
00:22:20
Charlie
I straight away felt like I was surrounded by a lot of people. I sort of stood and I was kind of like, oh, you know, this feels a bit uncomfortable here. But I went with it. And then all of a sudden I saw a group of male spirits all sat together, sort of looking at each other and chatting.
00:22:36
Charlie
And it was really strange. And I moved on then into the, they've got like an underground tunnel, which leads from the jail into the courthouse across the street.
00:22:47
Charlie
And like you said, because I don't look up the story and I'm walking along with my mum and a spirit girl, a little girl to my left side, she came past and she looked at me and giggled and ran off a ahead.
00:22:59
Charlie
I was like, oh, my goodness, there's a child down here. And my mum saw her as well. And she's like, oh, yeah, I can see the child. And I thought, that's really strange. Why is there a child in the jail? And literally, I asked the little girl in my mind just what her name was.
00:23:14
Charlie
Now, I actually heard it as Annabelle. And literally, a few minutes later, the tour guide, who had gone on up ahead, he turned around and he said, is well known, we have the ghost of a wee girl in here called Isabel.
00:23:26
Charlie
And course, me and my mum have gone, And everyone looked at us, of course, and then we had to explain. And we told them, and he was like, my goodness, you can see her. You know, what does she look like? And... When we came sort of out of there, and i mean I don't know if you sort of felt any vibes when you go into the actual wings of the jail, how it you know obviously you know it has soaked up a lot of many years of negativity in there.
00:23:48
Charlie
And one of the wings on the top floor, I was walked in on the ground floor, and there was a male energy pacing back and forth up on the upper floor. And all I felt in here was aggression. It was awful, like really ah ah you know aggressive, hate.
00:24:04
Charlie
anger and I was like oh my goodness I kind of looked up and I thought I need to get out of here because it suddenly felt like I don't know the energy was trying to attach with me somehow and I remember my mum she was kind of she's sensitive she was like you're okay what's happening and I described and the only way i can explain it is like it felt all of a sudden that all his negative emotion and feeling went like straight down to me and it was awful and get me out get me out get me out and i had to then just get out just to you know cleanse myself and and get that negativity away again so i do pick up intensely on things wherever i am yeah
00:24:43
Lee Hatfield
So this is where I'm going to start getting really curious now because yeah you said that you walked into a room and you saw a group of male spirits.
00:24:48
Charlie
yeah
00:24:55
Lee Hatfield
Because I'm not influenced in that kind of ability, do they see you the same time as what you see them?
00:24:56
Charlie
it
00:25:00
Charlie
Yeah.
00:25:05
Lee Hatfield
So yeah if you're if you're walking down the road, and there's a bunch of guys sat on a bench or a wall, they they may go, look you look at this girl walking past.
00:25:16
Charlie
Yeah.
00:25:16
Lee Hatfield
So do you kind of get the same kind of, what's the word I'm looking for, the same kind of feeling, or do you actually see spirits doing the same thing, like, oh, this girl can see us, this girl can hear us?
00:25:31
Lee Hatfield
Do you kind of get that?
00:25:33
Charlie
It's really strange because I was actually talking to someone about this recently, about how all of this works, because you know like everyone else I'm exploring, i don't have the answers and I'm curious about all of it myself. and Sometimes, like with that experience at the jail, now when I looked at them and I saw them in front of me in the corner,
00:25:52
Charlie
I then got the feeling because they looked up, I get the feeling then that they are looking at me and they know I can see them same with the guy in the wing. But then other times when I connect with spirit or I'm giving you know a message, it's more like I'm actually watching something play out something from the past or a situation.
00:26:10
Lee Hatfield
like
00:26:11
Charlie
So it's different depending on what I'm connecting with and where I am because it can sort of play out in different ways. But when I know that they sense or or whatever it is the energy senses me too, I feel it and I know either by how they look at me or how I always get a feeling in my gut or my chest.
00:26:30
Charlie
Yeah, it's a strange one. Strange one.
00:26:34
Lee Hatfield
So you've been to Cumberland Road jail with your mum.
00:26:39
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:26:39
Lee Hatfield
you You was experiencing that. Was your mum experiencing something different at the same time? Or was you experiencing similar kind of events that were happening? So yeah how do you two work together when you go to something like that jail?
00:26:49
Charlie
Yeah.
00:26:53
Charlie
Yeah, normally, I mean, at the jail, she did, because she senses more than she sees, whereas I see and hear as well. So she sensed the child go past as soon as I had said, oh my goodness, you know, and I felt the child and saw the child go past. With her, she has more of a knowing, like a sense and a knowing, whereas mine's more audible, visible, I do feel it as well.
00:27:17
Charlie
So it's strange, because sometimes she'll see something or I'll see something, but then we can both actually go hang on and then tune into it. So even if I don't see straight away the same thing or energy she's talking to, we can tune into it with each other and then connect to the same thing.
00:27:35
Lee Hatfield
but
00:27:35
Charlie
So
00:27:35
Lee Hatfield
So because you and your mother, let's say you're kind of connected on the on the medium level, can you kind of sense things are happening in each other's lives at the same time?
00:27:40
Charlie
not yeah
00:27:46
Lee Hatfield
Or sort of like, you know, like Charlie's having a really bad day, I better a phone her up because i know she's upset about something. Is it that kind of sense or is it something completely different?
00:27:55
Charlie
Yeah.
00:27:58
Charlie
Well, we do get that as well, because my mum and I are really close. So we do pick up on each other just in our normal lives. Like I'll sort of, you know, she'll feel one day, oh, you know, getting a funny feeling about, you know, sure, I'll give her a ring and and I get the same thing. So we do...
00:28:13
Charlie
pick up on that and we do get it with some of our family members as well like especially mum she is very in tune with the family she will pick up on if someone's ill if something's wrong like our family across you know across an island she'll pick up a lot more remotely like that than myself yeah
00:28:32
Lee Hatfield
OK, so how many times have you been to the Crumlin Road Jail?
00:28:33
Charlie
it
00:28:36
Charlie
i've been there twice
00:28:38
Lee Hatfield
And for both times, did you, how did how did both visits differentiate between the two? So the first time you went, you saw the group of men and you saw the guy on the on the upper level.
00:28:50
Charlie
Yeah.
00:28:52
Lee Hatfield
Was that, that was the first time?
00:28:53
Charlie
Yeah, I got most of it on the first time actually, the first time I went.
00:28:58
Lee Hatfield
So what did anything different happen or anything more sinister or more, what's the word, more like noticeable happen on the second time?
00:29:04
Charlie
Yeah.
00:29:09
Charlie
Yeah. Ironically, got less on the second time when I went. i could still, funny enough, in that foyer, the the entrance bit where I said the reception, I sensed the same thing of feeling very, very like crowded in there with lots of people and there was hardly any of us in there.
00:29:27
Charlie
Now, I felt that there was somebody behind us following us down in the the tunnel. But, well, I say luckily, I didn't, you know, sense the man in the upper cell this time when I had that really intense experience.
00:29:42
Charlie
So I don't know whether that's because I just picked up on everything going there the first time that maybe I didn't sense as much. But, yeah, I didn't get as much at all the second time. a
00:29:53
Lee Hatfield
So when you go to these locations, do you prepare yourself before you go in? Like, do you say a little prayer? Do you cleanse yourself? yeah Do you do you do a strict practice before you go into any of these locations?
00:30:07
Charlie
I'll be honest, I used to meditate every time before I carried out any kind of mediumistic practice. know, before I went on platform, I would have a little mantra and thing that I used to do.
00:30:21
Charlie
But I started to realize that you don't always, for me personally, I don't always need to do that because I thought I needed to do some kind of, you know, talk or meditation beforehand. But I find that it just happens anyway.
00:30:34
Charlie
But I do just for my own peace of mind as well. When I finish, you know, an investigation or being in somewhere, especially it's somewhere like that, I do say, you know, like a a little mantra. I say thank you to spirit. And I obviously say, you know, this is my time now.
00:30:51
Charlie
we can talk again another time and i do switch off i do try to switch off from it afterwards
00:30:57
Lee Hatfield
And you mentioned about switching off and I've spoken to a ah medium before about having that ability to switch it on and off.
00:31:08
Lee Hatfield
And she described it like a like an old fashioned radio where you can click it on and click it off. Do you have the same kind of ability or does it bleed into your everyday life?
00:31:21
Charlie
It does occasionally just naturally happen. Like there was one time I was out with my sister-in-law and she introduced me to one of her friends, a lady I'd never met before.
00:31:33
Charlie
And we're sitting in a coffee shop and all of a sudden, like, I didn't even intend to tune into any of this. was chatting to the lady and this spirit dog ran under the table. I'm sort looking, I kept looking like this, like literally like this.
00:31:47
Charlie
And in the next minute I saw a lady standing behind her that looked like, do you remember Mar Larkin from the Darling Birds of May?
00:31:54
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.
00:31:55
Charlie
She kind of looked like that, you know, like her. And I thought, what's going on? And in the end, my, my mum was there and she said, you're seeing someone, aren't you? was like, and that's the thing though. I know not to sort of talk to some people about it when I don't think they would like it or, or,
00:32:12
Charlie
just a pet, I get a feel for the situation, whether I can talk about it or not, because some people don't like talking about that stuff, but I knew with this lady I could, and I spoke to her, and funny enough, I described the pet and the relative, and she was like, oh my got that spot on, that's my nan, and she had a dog, and it was funny, because we both turned around and i said the dog's name, and and know i said, oh, the dog, I heard the name Polly, and she was like, oh my God, that was her dog's name, and you know, so sometimes it does just happen when I'm out, I try not to, like sometimes if it does happen, and I'm in the middle of my normal life situation, and I'm kind of like,
00:32:43
Charlie
not now, come back, i'll speak to you later, or you know, that that will happen. But I e when I go into somewhere historical or I'm actually going into you know somewhere that's got paranormal history then I actually do open myself up and let whatever happen happen I know they say you shouldn't do that but I personally I've done it for so many years I feel comfortable with that and plus in the name of research I just love to experience everything and liking our normal everyday lives unfortunately good and bad and you know the balance
00:33:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:33:15
Charlie
does come together and that's why i say to people it's the same personally for me with my mediumship and paranormal work is that I just experience all of it and you know see what happens.
Discussion on Spirit Animals
00:33:28
Lee Hatfield
And I like it how you mentioned about spirit animals. So as a medium, you see spirits when you want to and sometimes when you don't.
00:33:35
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:33:40
Charlie
yeah
00:33:41
Lee Hatfield
What about spirit animals? So, you dogs, cats. what yeah Do you see those as frequent or are spirit animals not such a big like ability, so to speak?
00:33:55
Charlie
Yeah, I don't see them nearly as much as I do with the actual spirit people, shall we say, or energies. Just occasionally, especially if I'm talking to and energy, like I'm giving a message and they did have pets, then sometimes I can see the pets they had or I hear the names of them. But I yeah generally don't see them as much at all.
00:34:19
Lee Hatfield
okay
00:34:19
Charlie
Yeah.
00:34:20
Lee Hatfield
So, okay, let's change change the tactics now. We're going to talk about one of your articles that you've that you've written, and I know that you've corrected me on this, so I'm going to try and say correctly this time, Dunluce Castle.
00:34:23
Charlie
Mm-hmm.
00:34:27
Charlie
Yes.
00:34:30
Charlie
hey
00:34:34
Charlie
Dunluce Castle, yes!
00:34:35
Lee Hatfield
Is that...? Yay, I said it right!
00:34:37
Charlie
what
00:34:37
Lee Hatfield
Yay! think it was Dunluck earlier. Dunluck. Yeah.
00:34:41
Charlie
Dunluck, yes!
00:34:41
Lee Hatfield
So that's that's something that's quite passionate to you, Dunluce Castle.
00:34:45
Charlie
Yeah. yeah
00:34:46
Lee Hatfield
So...
00:34:47
Charlie
Dunloose is absolutely beautiful. and it's Unfortunately, because it's on the top of ah ah a cliff, a massive big cliff in Northern Ireland, it some of it has started to to crumble. and it's It was used as one of the filming sites for Game of Thrones.
00:35:03
Charlie
and
00:35:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow
00:35:04
Charlie
I don't know what it is about this castle. Like my my family will tell you, ever since I was tiny, I felt drawn to the place. Even as a child, my aunt would say, you know, every time we drove past, be like, I need to go to the castle, I need to go to the castle.
00:35:16
Charlie
And when i i mean, I've been in it lots of times and there's a weird familiarity that I feel in there. I can't explain it. And I used to have dreams about the place as well.
00:35:27
Charlie
I used to dream that I was flying over, because it's a ruin now. I used to dream about flying over the top of it. And then I used to see people falling backwards. like and into the sea, it was really strange.
00:35:39
Charlie
Now, one of the things about this castle is, I mean, there is, I found out after when I got older, there is a story, but it is not known if it's true for sure, that apparently many years ago, part of the kitchen area, actually, because it's literally on the cliff edge, fell off into the sea.
00:35:56
Lee Hatfield
like
00:35:57
Charlie
And unfortunately, lots of the serving staff, are you know, fell into the ocean and lost their lives.
00:36:03
Lee Hatfield
And that would explain the falling.
00:36:04
Charlie
Yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure because that story is not confirmed, but I used to, when I was young, dream about flying over this. And I love it there because like with all of the sort Northern Irish you know places and tales, the folkloric stories of it go on for generations, but they all started with real historical stories and just get passed on. And people still tell the stories now to their kids.
00:36:28
Charlie
And Dunloose is... the famous story of lived in the castle with her father, the chieftain, and she fell in love with the yeah son of her daddy's foal. And of course, he didn't want her to be with him. She got locked in the tower.
00:36:43
Charlie
And she, according to the historical legend, she used to wail with tears because she couldn't see the love of her life. And one evening he went and broke her out of the tower and they went down into, like underneath the castle, there's a beautiful, beautiful cave known as the Mermaid's Cave.
00:37:02
Charlie
And he took her down there, took her in a sail, a little rowboat, sorry, to take her away. And unfortunately a storm hit and they were smashed against the rocks in the boat and they both lost their lives. and The sad thing is she there's many, many, many reports of her wailing in the castle, like still being heard from the crime. But also she's now known as the Banshee of Dunloose Castle. And obviously, you know, Banshee, the word itself is actually known as Queen of the Fairies.
00:37:33
Charlie
And they say that, you know, Banshees always came to foretell death. And they've now placed that story with her, you know, sad story of the cars run. People still see her on the rocks.
00:37:45
Charlie
She's been seen many a time. And yeah.
00:37:48
Lee Hatfield
Now, yeah, I know that yeah the the common stories about Banshees is like you just said, yeah yeah they are the tellers of death, so to speak, and they will pull sailors yeah into the water.
00:37:56
Charlie
i
00:38:00
Lee Hatfield
and
00:38:00
Charlie
Yes.
00:38:00
Lee Hatfield
So would you actually term her as a Banshee or would you just kind of call her as a whaling like woman who's forlorn in love?
00:38:12
Charlie
Yeah. I mean, they're so in the story, you know, in the past stories, it was just, I guess, associated with her because of her trauma. And she used to wail in the tower like a banshee. People heard it all the time.
00:38:26
Charlie
but What they do say is that where, unfortunately for her, her body was never recovered when the boat, unfortunately, you know capsized. And therefore, they one of the stories I'd heard over there was that they feel because she was denied a Christian burial that they said that's why she's on the cliff and why she still wails.
00:38:47
Charlie
So I'm not sure for definite, but that's the story that people, that's what they say. And they believe that she you know is the banshee of the castle.
00:38:55
Lee Hatfield
And I know that you've said that Dungloos Castle yeah is very close to your heart.
00:39:01
Charlie
and
00:39:01
Lee Hatfield
Is there any like other investigations or stories or experiences that have happened while you've been there? Because you've you've been there more than once, correct?
00:39:12
Charlie
I've been there quite a few times. Yeah.
00:39:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So is there any other experiences that you can but come to mind that that you can talk about?
00:39:21
Charlie
Yeah, at Dunluce for me, it was mainly the dreams I had and a feeling of, I know sounds kind of bizarre, but sometimes I kind of felt I knew where some of the rooms were in the castle.
00:39:32
Charlie
It was really strange. Like I'm talking when I was young.
00:39:35
Lee Hatfield
like deja vu or
00:39:35
Charlie
kind of, yeah, it was just like i it seemed familiar and I'd be like, oh, I need to go to that room there. I have to go over there. Like I knew what they were and why they were there. It was really, really strange, but it was mainly just a knowing and a feeling and the dreams for me with that place.
00:39:52
Charlie
And as even my family members, you know, all thought it was just bizarre the way I was so drawn to it. I never knew exactly why. yeah
00:40:01
Lee Hatfield
Do you think it's possible that you may have been there in a previous life and that's why you're drawn to it?
00:40:09
Charlie
Yeah. I mean, it's possible. It's possible. I don't know for sure. I mean, it would be amazing if I was. i'd I would love to be connected with there.
00:40:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:18
Charlie
You know, and there's a couple of places over there that I feel quite connected to. And the funny thing is, when I looked at the histories and the backstories, some of these places where I felt familiarity are actually linked by the same families and spirits.
00:40:33
Charlie
So that's really interesting.
00:40:33
Lee Hatfield
Right. Yeah, because like yeah you mentioned that you you feel like you've been there before and you kind of knew where some of the rooms was.
00:40:35
Charlie
That's
00:40:42
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, the fact that you've got a passion for the place and you kind of have that deja vu feeling, you yeah, it would kind of make sense.
00:40:48
Charlie
And the dreams, yeah.
00:40:52
Charlie
o
00:40:53
Lee Hatfield
if you If you want to go down that road, it would make sense that yeah you've been there in a past life and you're just reliving what's happened in the past and you're going back because you love it so much.
Interest in Past Life Regression
00:41:04
Charlie
Yeah, I did think about having a regression to sort of, you know, within my Irish heritage, have some kind of regression just to see what happened and what came out of that.
00:41:09
Lee Hatfield
Do it. Do it.
00:41:13
Charlie
I think that that would be really interesting. Yeah.
00:41:15
Lee Hatfield
we need We need to do that, and we'll do that. that's We'll have a road trip to Ireland, and we'll crack on.
00:41:18
Charlie
Yeah. Yeah. no
00:41:21
Lee Hatfield
So I know you've got another love of your life. and
00:41:24
Charlie
Oh, yes.
00:41:24
Lee Hatfield
It's not a guy. It's actually Bonamage Friary.
00:41:29
Charlie
Bonamagi is my baby.
00:41:31
Lee Hatfield
Oh, see, I've said it wrong. See, I know I wasn't going to get every name correct.
00:41:33
Charlie
why over No, no. Well, funny enough, linking to what I was just saying about other places connected, the Bonamagi Friary is in Ballycastle.
00:41:45
Charlie
And again, the strange thing with that was my my dad and I, we were just, you know, like we do, we drive through the country on road trips, just look for places. And we happened to stumble across this ruin one day.
00:41:56
Charlie
And we both kind of said, oh, that looks really great. And he said, yeah, you know, let's stop. And we went in there. And it's just, you know, again, a ruin. And there's loads of...
00:42:07
Charlie
if people are willing to spend the time to explore. There's some really unusual graves in there, headstones with strange angels, masonic, all sorts in there. And again, I felt really familiar. And i was like, well what's going on here? You know, don't understand. And we're walking around.
00:42:26
Charlie
And he we found this really strange headstone in there, right at the and what would have been the entrance to the fiery. And when I went away and researched this place and I looked into it, it's actually linked to Dunloose Castle.
00:42:43
Charlie
Yeah. So the people, the McQuillan clan who used to, this is, we're talking like in the 1500s, that used to have Dunloose.
00:42:44
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:42:54
Charlie
then also were part of the Bonamagi friary and their families used to go there to pray and then I believe the clan took it over. And the Macdonalds, who took over Dunluce, again also took over Bonamagi.
00:43:08
Charlie
And, I mean, the main story of this place is it's about Julia McQuillan. So, you know, I said about the unusual headstone by the entrance to the church.
00:43:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:43:17
Charlie
I mean, there never used to be hardly anything on Bonham Agui. mean, I researched for a long time and I've been back and forth there several times because I just feel like something lures me there, like I'm drawn to the place, like I've been there before, same as Dunloose.
00:43:32
Charlie
Anyway, Julia McQuillan was a lady who went there. She's known as the black nun. And I mean, they're not too sure why she was called that. I think she was a bit reclusive. They said, you know, her image was, you know, she was quite sort dark and spooky, that kind of thing.
00:43:48
Charlie
But she was also a prophetess. And she used to have visions. She had a second sight. And from the information that I found, there was, you know, seven main visions and prophecies that she had, you know, said to people and talked about.
00:44:06
Charlie
just touch upon a couple of them, is like one she used to see ships without sails, sailing across the harbour in Northern Ireland, like hundreds hundreds of years before steamships were even made, she described them. She also said a very prominent vision about a local river where the water would one run red.
00:44:29
Charlie
And years later, people have associated that with a story, unfortunately, of a local mill worker who fell into the river and unfortunately passed away because they got dragged into the water wheel and the river ran red. And I think the one that's most prominent is she gave a very specific prophecy about a priest who was going to die before mass at a local place called Pan's Rocks.
00:44:59
Charlie
And then in 1940s, I believe, there was a father, James McCann, a red-haired priest, she said a red-haired priest, actually before mass, went over to pan's Pan's caves and Pan's rocks, where it's by the sea, to swim before going to mass. And unfortunately, there is actually a hidden whirlpool over there in in Pan's rocks, under the cave.
00:45:24
Charlie
And he got pulled into that and he passed away. So people have associated all her stories have actually matched up with certain occurrences that have happened in that area over time. Yeah.
00:45:34
Lee Hatfield
That is crazy. how I can see why there's so much attraction because, know, I think everybody, if they see ruins of some sort, always like to go and have a wander around and just to see what they can find.
00:45:50
Charlie
Yeah.
00:45:52
Lee Hatfield
And I know you've got many, many, many more stories. because yeah we've spoken offline, funnily enough. And, yeah, I'd love to talk about more of these, but we are coming to the end.
00:46:04
Charlie
yeah
00:46:04
Lee Hatfield
So this is your three minutes of fame.
00:46:09
Lee Hatfield
I'd like you to, if people but want to read your books, I'd like you to tell me about your books. I'd like you to tell me what's what's coming up for Charlie Zombie Hickey Hall and and when the T-shirts are coming out.
00:46:18
Charlie
ye
00:46:22
Charlie
no no obviously I am know writing in Haunted magazine, so I've got a feature coming out in June and then I've got one ready to roll for September.
00:46:33
Charlie
Book wise, I've got of my horror fiction stories is out in the Laid to Unrest anthology, a horror anthology at the moment. which is on Red Cape Publishing.
00:46:45
Charlie
And, yeah, I'm just working on films. So we're just still going to the as it going through the festival circuit with Lake on the cabin. And we are actually working on a bigger film as well.
00:46:58
Charlie
And hopefully our Party Politics, the zombie film, should be out later in the year as well. So lots of writing, lots of filming and keeping busy.
00:47:08
Lee Hatfield
And that's the main thing, right?
00:47:10
Charlie
Yeah, I love it.
00:47:11
Lee Hatfield
Charlie, it's been an absolute pleasure. Like I said, I could talk to you all day and we'll make will make my friend Joe jealous because my podcast and lasted longer than his podcast.
00:47:13
Charlie
Oh, thank you. Thank you so
00:47:23
Charlie
much.
00:47:23
Charlie
Yeah, I guess. Bye.
00:47:23
Lee Hatfield
But let's not go.
00:47:25
Lee Hatfield
But seriously, Charlie, it's been an absolute pleasure and I look forward to talking to you again very soon. Thanks for your time.
00:47:30
Charlie
oh
00:47:31
Lee Hatfield
Take care.
00:47:31
Charlie
and do thank you so much yeah
00:47:31
Lee Hatfield
Okay, bye-bye.
00:47:33
Charlie
again bye