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SIPA Paranormal Chronicles S1 E11 - Cyn Shrader Hill
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In this week's episode we have great fun talking with Cyn Shrader Hill.
A Self-published Author/Editor/Publisher, and the founder of Elk Valley Paranormal, in Lincoln County Tennessee.
We talk about everything that is EVP's or Electronic Voice Phenomena.
Cyn has helped other paranormal teams as well as law enforcement officers with EVP analysis.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Sin Schrader-Hill
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles and today I am delighted to have with me an author, an editor and publisher, Sin Schrader-Hill.
00:00:26
Lee Hatfield
I hope I said that correct, Sin, but welcome.
00:00:29
Cyn Shrader Hill
Thank you so much for having me. I've been looking forward to this, and I appreciate you.
00:00:35
Lee Hatfield
You are most welcome. And like I the objective of the exercise is to get as many different people on as many different subjects as we can. So the fact that what we're going to be talking about tonight, and I'm not going to give away any any spoilers, I think it's going to really help some of the listeners moving forward.
Sin's Background and Paranormal Journey Begins
00:00:55
Lee Hatfield
So before we go into the reason why we're here, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself, please, just for the listeners?
00:01:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
Sure. I am from Southern Middle Tennessee. I swore when I was 18, I was never coming back yet. Here I am back in Southern Middle Tennessee in the same County.
00:01:14
Cyn Shrader Hill
So I live about 15 minutes from where I was born and yeah yes, so there's, there's stories there.
00:01:19
Lee Hatfield
Au revoir.
00:01:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
And I am late to get to the game as for paranormal investigating. I knew I wanted be on a team. I knew I wanted a team.
00:01:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
I just didn't know how to go about it. And I was very interested in all of the shows that were on the TV. I found out after getting into it, paranormal investigating is night lot not like the shows on TV.
00:01:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
ha ha. Ha ha.
00:01:52
Lee Hatfield
You're not long there.
00:01:53
Cyn Shrader Hill
Ha ha. I have enjoyed it, though, and i just I've only been investigating since 2013. I've been to many, many, many haunted locations since I was 12 years old.
00:02:12
Cyn Shrader Hill
and loved every minute of it.
Exploring Haunted Locations and Investigations
00:02:15
Cyn Shrader Hill
I love to be scared. I love horror movies. I just, I loved it. My favorite bedtime story was, we lived in my grandmother's house growing up.
00:02:25
Cyn Shrader Hill
My mom, dad, and three kids, and my grandmother.
00:02:26
Lee Hatfield
<unk> for her
00:02:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
I had to sleep with my grandmother. And every night I would bother her to tell me my bedtime story. And she'd say, I just told you last night. And I'd say, please please, please, please, please tell it to me again. And and I would not shut up until she did.
00:02:44
Cyn Shrader Hill
But it was about my great uncle that got scared one night on his way home in the late, in the early, early nineteen hundreds on horseback. ended boo.
00:02:56
Cyn Shrader Hill
and it always ended in boom Now go to bed. So I've been, I've been liking that jump scare since I was little.
00:03:04
Lee Hatfield
she
00:03:05
Cyn Shrader Hill
And i finally got investigating when I was twenty in 2013. A team taught me how, and the next year formed Elk Valley Paranormal. And here I am.
00:03:16
Lee Hatfield
And you mentioned something really important then about a team taught you what to do, because there's so many teams out there that just go, right, we're going to go and hunt for ghosts.
00:03:22
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:03:28
Cyn Shrader Hill
now
00:03:28
Lee Hatfield
And for pete the people to call themselves ghost hunters actually annoys me, because obviously we're paranormal investigators, and there's a big difference between the two. 100%.
00:03:40
Cyn Shrader Hill
And researchers. So I've i've become a researcher as well.
00:03:42
Lee Hatfield
hundred percent
00:03:45
Cyn Shrader Hill
i didn't know that in the beginning. I didn't know. that you should try and get history of a location and history of the families in that location and the property and you know so many things that you need to know before you go and some places are actually dangerous if you don't know anything about them so it's just
00:04:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And
Teaching Cleansing and Safe Spaces During the Pandemic
00:04:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah, I'm the same as you. I'm a big, I love my history. I had a third great grandfather that fought in Waterloo and and stuff like that. So I love my history. So I'm exactly the same as you where I will go and get as much research done on the property and on the families before we investigate. Because if and if a name pops up yeah and it's relevant, it proves something.
00:04:35
Cyn Shrader Hill
and Exactly right. Exactly right. And you never know, you know, a lot of, what we get, we always have a questionnaire for a person to fill out before we come to the house.
00:04:49
Cyn Shrader Hill
And when 2020 hit, we actually started doing zoom calls to talk to people. And what I did mostly 2020, in twenty twenty And ON has been teaching people how to cleanse their homes and lighten up their space and make themselves safe, you know, by by either meditating or prayers or
00:05:07
Lee Hatfield
you
00:05:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
you know, whatever that person believes in to to add to their army, really, of protection.
00:05:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:05:26
Cyn Shrader Hill
So that's very important to be safe going into something.
00:05:28
Lee Hatfield
light over
00:05:32
Cyn Shrader Hill
And I never knew any of this.
00:05:32
Lee Hatfield
check because the link
00:05:34
Cyn Shrader Hill
I just wanted to go and and be at all these haunted locations and be scared and and have things jump out at me.
00:05:38
Lee Hatfield
other
00:05:41
Cyn Shrader Hill
But, you know, that just, that really doesn't happen. it's not like It's not like the haunted houses on Halloween.
00:05:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, i no, it's not. No, exactly.
00:05:49
Cyn Shrader Hill
but
00:05:50
Lee Hatfield
and And a lot of people do yeah do think that it's exactly like TV where you get a spirit, you get a demon, you get entities like every week. But most of the time, it's eight hours of sat in the dark talking to yourself.
00:06:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:06:04
Cyn Shrader Hill
Exactly. Trying to get any response.
00:06:07
Lee Hatfield
don Yeah.
00:06:07
Cyn Shrader Hill
You can get a knock on the wall or whisper or maybe they'll pull my hair or, you know, anything like that.
00:06:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:06:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
But a lot of times we get nothing.
00:06:18
Lee Hatfield
a yeah no no voice serious Yeah, exactly.
00:06:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
we We sit for hours and get nothing. And it's, you know, it doesn't stop us going back, though.
00:06:27
Lee Hatfield
And no, it doesn't. You're right. And just it was quite funny as well. Not only do you attend the location and go through the six or eight hours, but then you sit at home reviewing all the evidence.
00:06:42
Lee Hatfield
So you're going through it again and again. So that's that eight hours can 24, 36 hours by the time you're finished.
00:06:46
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:06:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
Depending on how many pieces of equipment you have and are using, yes.
Transition to Writing and Publishing Paranormal Stories
00:06:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
So you might have three recorders going, four cameras. I mean, you know, i just have, i when I started, I was using one recorder and box, and had a camera, just a regular snap and shoot camera.
00:07:12
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:07:13
Cyn Shrader Hill
And then I got a video camera and, you know, just added as I went that first starting out, what I found over the years is when I go somewhere, i want had to be protected and be in the right mindset before I go in, have my recorder and a flashlight and I'm good.
00:07:36
Lee Hatfield
so
00:07:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, the bed the bare minimum.
00:07:41
Cyn Shrader Hill
I'm good.
00:07:43
Lee Hatfield
And like I know in the last year, me and my colleague have probably spent between six and 10 grand on cameras and audio equipment and yeah gadgets to play with.
00:07:44
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:07:57
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, sort like, what else can you spend your money on? Beer? yeah
00:08:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right. But it's a very expensive hobby.
00:08:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:08:05
Lee Hatfield
It is, and people don't realize that.
00:08:06
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:07
Lee Hatfield
So from from creating...
00:08:07
Cyn Shrader Hill
And.
00:08:12
Lee Hatfield
EVP, the group or the the team, how did that transcend into you becoming an author?
00:08:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
I actually started editing for my friend who is a psychic medium. He has become my very best friend. And...
00:08:33
Cyn Shrader Hill
he had He was working on books. We had both sent in a couple of stories for Till Gray's book, Shades of Angels.
00:08:39
Lee Hatfield
if
00:08:43
Cyn Shrader Hill
I believe that was the one. i have a picture, a photo, in one of her books and then four stories in another one. And that's really how I got started.
00:08:54
Lee Hatfield
i think do when you
00:08:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
i I just was writing short stories of things that had happened to me, my team, my friends, things they were telling me. And a I was working on Mark's book editing and he asked me, when are you going to get your book out?
00:09:12
Cyn Shrader Hill
I hadn't even talked to him about my book, but he's a psychic medium.
00:09:15
Lee Hatfield
you know
00:09:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
So i think he kind of knew, but I said, I just, I don't know.
00:09:20
Lee Hatfield
I guess so.
00:09:22
Cyn Shrader Hill
i'm I'm really, I'm not sure. He goes, it's time. Get yours out there. And so he gave me the little kick I needed. but
00:09:30
Lee Hatfield
should
00:09:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
the book I was wanting to get out, I didn't know how to do it. So I put out short stories of my investigations that have happened around this area, mostly in this county.
00:09:45
Cyn Shrader Hill
So out of 23 stories, 18 of them are in this county.
00:09:45
Lee Hatfield
side of door pu and god
00:09:50
Lee Hatfield
Oh cool.
00:09:50
Cyn Shrader Hill
And from what I've experienced.
00:09:52
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:09:53
Cyn Shrader Hill
My bedtime is story is in it.
00:09:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:09:56
Cyn Shrader Hill
You know, just different things like that.
00:09:57
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:09:57
Cyn Shrader Hill
My co-founder and one of the girls on my team had a couple of stories in it and we just went from there.
00:10:00
Lee Hatfield
the chart
00:10:06
Cyn Shrader Hill
My second book was a fiction because we just wanted to get a fiction book out there, but that's the only fiction book I have. My third book was supposed to be my first one.
00:10:16
Lee Hatfield
right
00:10:16
Cyn Shrader Hill
And i finally figured out what I wanted to do.
00:10:19
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:10:20
Cyn Shrader Hill
So it was all of the audio I had caught at the my favorite investigations over the years.
00:10:30
Lee Hatfield
seven
00:10:31
Cyn Shrader Hill
And again, this is only since 2013. So it's not like it's a hundred years of voices.
00:10:34
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:10:38
Cyn Shrader Hill
It's just a very short time. But they were the most important to me. And I put them in the book, wrote stories, had a chapter on each location and the EVPs I'd gotten.
00:10:44
Lee Hatfield
take on one
00:10:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
And then the person reading the book or Kindle can
Delving into Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVPs)
00:10:54
Lee Hatfield
like
00:10:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
go to elkvalleyparanormal.com to the evidence section and actually listen to all of the EVPs that are in that book.
00:10:59
Lee Hatfield
me
00:11:04
Lee Hatfield
That's pretty cool. And that kind of brings us nicely onto why we're here tonight, because you're going to enlighten us all about EVPs. So for anybody that doesn't know, electric so voice phenomena.
00:11:18
Lee Hatfield
So what made you want to specialize in EVPs?
00:11:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
My cousin, now this is before I was on a team. My cousin was having a little problem in her art studio and she got a team to come down from Menville, which is about hour and a half to two hours away from us.
00:11:33
Lee Hatfield
no She's good girl. She's a good girl. That's more.
00:11:41
Cyn Shrader Hill
and I found out after the fact and I got the same team to come down and investigate my mom and dad's old store because I'd lost my dad in,
00:11:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
2001, the same month of 9-11, so the 27th of September. And i was a daddy's girl. So over the years, I was looking for signs from him and just would not get them, would not. And I think I wanted them so badly that I just was trying too hard.
00:12:20
Cyn Shrader Hill
They came and investigated the old store. My husband had cleaned it out. The utilities had been off for a couple of years and nothing was on.
00:12:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:12:33
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:12:33
Cyn Shrader Hill
So this old building was from the 1800s. Street level now was actually second story then.
00:12:47
Cyn Shrader Hill
So their the what was our basement when my mom and dad had the store was first level in the late 1800s. It was a turkey slaughterhouse then.
00:12:58
Lee Hatfield
should do
00:12:59
Cyn Shrader Hill
And the vats were still down in the basement and hooks and all that kind of thing for the turkeys. this This area used to have a big turkey day.
00:13:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
And there's a picture of the Lincoln County Turkey Day where there's hundreds and hundreds of these birds on the square.
00:13:12
Lee Hatfield
black can tell
00:13:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
and it's just crazy how many that there were around this area. So turkey slaughterhouse. Over the years, it became an ice cream factory, a Red Cross building, you know furniture store, just different things.
00:13:30
Lee Hatfield
no
00:13:34
Cyn Shrader Hill
And then my mom and dad owned it for the auto parts. And after dad died, mom and my sister tried to keep it open for two or three years and then had to close it.
00:13:45
Cyn Shrader Hill
So everything was shut off. And then and the team came in and they got two EVPs. I was basically the trigger object that just stood and asked my dad questions.
00:13:55
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:13:59
Cyn Shrader Hill
and didn't get anything, but they heard this strange, holy mackerel, which nobody in my family ever used, but it was one of those terms that you've heard, like maybe back in the 30s, 40s, 50s, somewhere along in there. So possibly it was from the old ice cream factory. not and I'm not sure.
00:14:20
Lee Hatfield
right
00:14:20
Cyn Shrader Hill
Not sure at all. And the other EVP they got was from the basement, and it was turkeys clucking.
00:14:26
Lee Hatfield
idea what
00:14:29
Cyn Shrader Hill
So i we had turkey ghosts, whether they were probably, you know, on their worst day ever.
00:14:30
Lee Hatfield
Oh wow.
00:14:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:37
Cyn Shrader Hill
And they're clucking and probably screaming clucking. I don't know, but I probably would have been if I was turkey in a slaughterhouse.
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:14:46
Cyn Shrader Hill
So I was just yeah I was caught right then.
00:14:47
Lee Hatfield
nothing said those
00:14:52
Cyn Shrader Hill
I had to find the voices. And so that became what I really wanted to do. And the first piece of equipment after I got my little recorder was a spirit box.
00:15:05
Cyn Shrader Hill
And for some reason, it was, i could hear the voices coming across the spirit box a little easier than the rest of the team.
00:15:16
Lee Hatfield
make
00:15:16
Cyn Shrader Hill
So it just became what I love to do.
00:15:20
Lee Hatfield
And that's that's really cool, because it's it's the team that I'm currently with, like Super. We've only been been together for just over a year. And I've had three really cool EVPs in that time period. and Two of them was in the same so same cell of a jail three months apart.
00:15:43
Lee Hatfield
First time I was by myself. Second time I was with the other two guys. Both times didn't hear it with your... with the ears, you only heard it afterwards.
00:15:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
Perfect.
00:15:56
Lee Hatfield
And for the first one, I'd got an audio and a camera. For the second one, I'd got my audio device, a camera and a body camera.
00:16:06
Lee Hatfield
So when I first hoed it heard it on the video, I went to the other two devices and it was on all three devices.
00:16:15
Cyn Shrader Hill
perfect
00:16:16
Lee Hatfield
And that was actually, that was really weird. And the third one's actually a video that I've got of walking through it's now an office, but it used to be a store. And I'm walking past the table. And then i just hear a And i like I've got the body cam on so you can see me moving around.
00:16:35
Lee Hatfield
Nobody near me. It wasn't anything electrical. And on both the the last two occasions, I've got a friend who specializes in audio, sent it to him, and they came back and go, okay, these these waves here are your voice.
00:16:50
Lee Hatfield
This is the noise you hear you heard.
Advice for New Investigators on EVPs
00:16:53
Lee Hatfield
Two completely separate. So this was not you.
00:16:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
Nice.
00:16:57
Lee Hatfield
And it's like I was so impressed the fact that I'd that i'd got that evidence and that and the other guys hadn't, which was really funny.
00:17:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes. Okay.
00:17:04
Lee Hatfield
i'd kept I tell them every available opportunity. but but to And that's one of the reasons why say to people that you have to check every single second of your audio, your video, yeah and whatever other recording devices you've got.
00:17:25
Cyn Shrader Hill
That's right.
00:17:26
Lee Hatfield
So if you had to give a brand new investigator one piece of advice with regard to EVPs, what would you give them?
00:17:36
Lee Hatfield
What would you say to them?
00:17:38
Cyn Shrader Hill
I would say if you're really wanting to catch an audio voice, just get a little digital recorder, to take it on investigations,
00:17:53
Cyn Shrader Hill
And while you're asking questions, just ask whatever you can think of. Have other people around you ask whatever they can think of.
00:18:00
Lee Hatfield
but take
00:18:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
Just don't whisper when you are talking because that can actually sound like a spirit voice. So no whispering.
00:18:13
Cyn Shrader Hill
If somebody burps, farts, you know, whatever, claim it. Say, I did that. I'm sorry. And because that can sound like a growl. which you would think somebody's going to say, Oh, that's a demon. You are around a demon. No, my stomach growled.
00:18:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:18:31
Cyn Shrader Hill
So, you know, just claim it, claim every noise. If you shuffle your feet or hit something, claim that say, Oh, that was me. And that way, when you're listening later,
00:18:44
Cyn Shrader Hill
and you hear a strange noise, and then there's a, oh, that was blah, blah, blah. You know you can throw that out and move on in your audio.
00:18:54
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. a like i say And that's exactly what I do. So if we go into a jail, yeah because the jail is now now a museum, it's still got air conditioning, it's still got heating.
00:19:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, there's probably a busy road nearby. So as soon as you can eliminate those from your investigation, and if you start doing a few investigations, you know what heating sounds like. You know what air conditioning sounds like.
00:19:22
Lee Hatfield
You know what a car sounds like. And you're looking for the weird and bizarre either voices or sounds. Yeah. either either voices or or sounds And that's what people don't realize, I think.
00:19:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
who i think I think one of the most thrilling things is you can hear footsteps coming towards you or going away or overhead or whatever.
00:19:47
Cyn Shrader Hill
And you might be sitting next to a teammate still and know that there's no one else around you.
00:19:51
Lee Hatfield
but
00:19:57
Cyn Shrader Hill
And, but you still have to try to look and find out is someone sneaking in?
00:19:58
Lee Hatfield
and chair
00:20:01
Lee Hatfield
enjoy
00:20:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
is someone coming up the hallway or whatever? But, but catching footsteps, I think is one of the thrilling things. And it's just, there's so many ways that spirit can try to get your attention.
00:20:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. like
00:20:18
Cyn Shrader Hill
You know, through electrical means, they can flicker lights, they can come through different things. electronics. They can just manipulate sounds, honestly.
00:20:30
Lee Hatfield
you
00:20:32
Cyn Shrader Hill
And that that's a tough one to get used to because if someone, like say you have to crumple up a plastic bag, get rid of it, throw it away, that sound, they can actually manipulate into words.
00:20:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
And their voice is hidden by something you're doing.
00:21:00
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:21:01
Cyn Shrader Hill
And so that's what I found later on. You know, not in the beginning.
00:21:06
Lee Hatfield
it
00:21:06
Cyn Shrader Hill
I didn't find that at all in the beginning. But i I started realizing that they can use sound. They can use vibration. They can use frequency. Any energy they can use.
00:21:23
Cyn Shrader Hill
to manipulate into communicating somehow.
00:21:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and one thing that we find is quite successful is is doing the Estus method, and we do it with different people. And once you know how to set up the ghost box or your spirit box, whatever you're using, and you tell people, yeah here if you hear something, tell us.
00:21:52
Lee Hatfield
And then we've got somebody else like documenting that and writing it down. We was at a recent investigation where we found that there was somebody dealing with contraband and stuff like that from like 200 years ago.
00:22:05
Lee Hatfield
And we actually got a name and they knew that people were doing that in the area, but they never have ever had a name.
00:22:13
Cyn Shrader Hill
Wow.
00:22:15
Lee Hatfield
So that was that was really cool.
00:22:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah.
00:22:17
Lee Hatfield
But what what do you think when people like try and debunk it and say it's power power of suggestion or if it's auditory pareidolia?
00:22:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
i think that everyone should try to debunk everything whatever you can to try to figure out if it was something that can be explained.
00:22:47
Cyn Shrader Hill
So you ought, you want that. You want to be scrutinized. And I know it hurts sometimes because you might think, I know exactly what they're saying.
00:22:55
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:23:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
Well, somebody comes in and says that, listen, you know, there's a, there's a couple of clips out that they're saying It's the same, and I cannot i cannot remember where I saw this, but there's a clip out, and it says, if you if you hear word,
00:23:22
Cyn Shrader Hill
this word you know, and then you listen to the EVP and you hear that word. And then it says, or do you hear this word? And you listen to the same EVP again and you hear that second word and you're like, whoa, how is that possible?
00:23:39
Lee Hatfield
so
00:23:42
Cyn Shrader Hill
So, you know, what, what I have found on my EVPs are what I have heard. and Anyone can listen to my EVPs.
00:23:57
Cyn Shrader Hill
They might hear something different, and that's okay. That's okay. it's This is not an exact science. The only EVPs that are really, really hard to debunk are the Class A's.
00:24:08
Lee Hatfield
be
00:24:11
Lee Hatfield
and see
00:24:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
So if if you've got a a true Class a and it is a clear get out, that's hard to say. Oh, that's not get out. That's, you know, they were just saying Kalamazoo, you know.
00:24:32
Cyn Shrader Hill
No, they were saying get out. And it was specifically when I first walked into the building. Of course they didn't want me there. Get out. And so... you've You've got to try to figure out, is that exactly what I'm hearing?
00:24:49
Cyn Shrader Hill
And when you get to the point of, yes, that's what I'm standing by, and you get a couple of people to listen, if they're close, then, you know, that's one thing.
00:24:52
Lee Hatfield
yeah like
00:25:01
Cyn Shrader Hill
You're still you're always going to have skeptics.
00:25:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
00:25:04
Cyn Shrader Hill
Always.
00:25:04
Lee Hatfield
And one thing that we always do as a team is if we're doing some reviewing, if we hear anything, we will take a snippet of that audio, send it to the group chat, and we don't go, can you hear Shader Hill, for example.
00:25:19
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right.
00:25:22
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:25:22
Lee Hatfield
We will say, what do you hear?
00:25:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
What do you hear? Yes.
00:25:26
Lee Hatfield
Yes. And one thing that I always like telling people as well is if you do hear EVPs, It has to be kind of relevant to the investigation.
00:25:39
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:25:39
Lee Hatfield
So a perfect example is, and I use this on quite a few of previous podcasts, yeah if it's Monday and you ask them what day of the week it is and they come back with Monday or any other day of the week, but it's still relevant. It's it's relevant to the question you've just asked.
00:25:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right.
00:25:55
Lee Hatfield
Whereas if you ask what date is and they come back with beefcake or Tennessee, it's not really relevant. Still something to note. However, it's not relevant to the questioning that you're going on to at that precise time.
00:26:09
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right. And if you get an answer that is not relevant to what you just asked, possibly that's residual.
00:26:19
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. So. like The question I want to come out with next is if you are recording, do you do the ask a few questions and then play it back? Or do you just keep your recorder going?
00:26:37
Lee Hatfield
Because like some people do different things. i'm What I do, if I'm doing a solo, for example, I will let my tape my tape recorder tell us how old I am.
00:26:48
Cyn Shrader Hill
Mm-hmm.
00:26:48
Lee Hatfield
my My digital recorder, my tape recorder, for that duration so if it's 20 minutes it's 20 minutes whereas some of the other team members will ask two or three questions stop it and then play it back to see if you get anything but you can't always hear it with the with the plain ears it's not until you get your headset on that you can hear stuff so do you have a preference in in what you do
00:27:14
Cyn Shrader Hill
I use both methods. i When I first started out, I was taping everything.
00:27:17
Lee Hatfield
feel
00:27:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
So if we were there for six hours, I had six hours of tape to go over when I got home. If we were there overnight, I had 12 hours or whatever.
00:27:32
Cyn Shrader Hill
And it got to be a little monotonous. So what I found was... I would go to one room, do a little session, stop that, go to the next area of the location, do another EVP session there.
00:27:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
Now what I do is a combination. So i might have one recorder going the entire time, no matter what.
00:27:57
Lee Hatfield
be
00:28:02
Lee Hatfield
up
00:28:03
Cyn Shrader Hill
I do a burst session on the others, which I might, I don't like to do more than a minute,
00:28:08
Lee Hatfield
i mean things producer the
00:28:12
Cyn Shrader Hill
of the question and answer and just play it back right there.
00:28:13
Lee Hatfield
<unk>
00:28:15
Cyn Shrader Hill
And just to see if I'm getting anything, but the other one is going the entire time.
00:28:20
Lee Hatfield
just Yeah, because I say, yeah, out of the three EVPs that I've had, two of them I never even heard. And what makes it more interesting is that they're actually quite loud as well.
00:28:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah.
00:28:37
Lee Hatfield
And the fact that you didn't hear them with your ears, but you hear them on the audio devices and the loud, that's like that can be like really weird.
00:28:46
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yes.
00:28:46
Lee Hatfield
Because yeah why didn't you hit why didn't you hear it yeah at that precise time?
00:28:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, they can also pick who they want it to be heard by.
00:28:56
Lee Hatfield
only to
00:28:58
Cyn Shrader Hill
You can have three people in the same room close together with digital recorders going at the same time and one person gets an EVP.
00:28:58
Lee Hatfield
motion
00:29:02
Lee Hatfield
this guy
00:29:09
Lee Hatfield
be
00:29:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
And yeah why? They just pick something.
00:29:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And that was that was exactly what happened in my for my second EVP. We was in the cell. It got like the metal tables that you see in in jails on the on the right. On the left was like five or six cells.
00:29:27
Lee Hatfield
I've got one of my colleagues was talking in the middle. He was about 15, 20 feet away from me. The guy at the end wasn't saying anything, but both of them were recording.
00:29:39
Lee Hatfield
I was walking around. I went into the corridor, looked down the corridor, turned around to come back in again, and then just heard a whaa! Yeah, this was when I was doing and doing the reviewing.
00:29:52
Lee Hatfield
And I did it twice. But i was actually, like said, I didn't hear anything at the time. The air conditioning, i know for a fact, had been turned off.
00:30:04
Lee Hatfield
The other two guys didn't hear it. And it wasn't until I said, guys, I think I've got some.
00:30:06
Cyn Shrader Hill
yeah.
00:30:09
Lee Hatfield
at This was like a day or so later. And they went, when was that? So I said, well, yeah, it's when Walter was sat there and Logan was sat there. And you remember remember when I walked out and came back in again? They went, yeah, i went, that's when it happened.
00:30:23
Lee Hatfield
And like, yeah, both of them checked their audio and the record is not a thing and was only like 20 at the furthest. Well, the closest person was like 20 feet away.
00:30:34
Cyn Shrader Hill
yeah yeah
00:30:36
Lee Hatfield
So it's really cool.
00:30:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
and And maybe, maybe you had gotten too close to one of the spirit's areas. and he either liked it or he did not.
00:30:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. so And it's really weird because three months previous when we was in the same location, I went off walking by myself in exactly the same cell area.
00:31:00
Lee Hatfield
And it was like it got like a corridor of 20, 30 feet. So you can hear someone coming. And then you turn left into this particular area. I was asking for someone to make a sign, make a sound. And I said words to the effect of I would very much appreciate that.
00:31:15
Lee Hatfield
And straight after I finished my sentence, I heard a double breath. and its And that was like in exactly the same cell. So that was really cool that I had two different, completely two different EVPs in the same location three months apart.
00:31:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
It could be too that your energy matches energy that that spirit is used to
00:31:38
Lee Hatfield
thirteen
00:31:40
Cyn Shrader Hill
So whether or not you know it was a family member or a friend or whatever, but for some reason your frequency matches what he
00:31:41
Lee Hatfield
so you can
00:31:45
Lee Hatfield
two percent
00:31:48
Lee Hatfield
come
00:31:55
Cyn Shrader Hill
can relate to and possibly your other colleagues aren't on that same frequency.
00:31:57
Lee Hatfield
<unk> something
00:32:03
Cyn Shrader Hill
I mean, it all comes down to energy.
00:32:03
Lee Hatfield
yeah and
Impact of Energy and Frequency on EVP Captures
00:32:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And what's really funny is that particular area of that jail is called the Hells Angels Wing.
00:32:13
Cyn Shrader Hill
Wow.
00:32:13
Lee Hatfield
So that makes it that makes it even more sort of like curious about, you know, were they trying to communicate?
00:32:18
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah.
00:32:19
Lee Hatfield
But this this prison is in Cornwall in Ontario. There's a lot of activity. People get activity all over the jail, but other people go there and get nothing.
00:32:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
yeah
00:32:31
Lee Hatfield
So it's really strange, like you said. So it has to be kind of related to the activity.
00:32:35
Cyn Shrader Hill
who
00:32:36
Lee Hatfield
So you've mentioned the the get out EVP a while ago. But would you say that you've got your favorites that when people ask you about evt EVPs, you always come out and go, oh, I did like I've got my favorites.
00:32:51
Lee Hatfield
Do you have any favorites that you tell people all the time?
00:32:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
I do. I do. i We had this one particular residential that we did and I am sensitive so I can tell when something's around me even though I can't see it all the time I've only seen five or six spirits I I just I haven't seen a lot I don't i see but I can hear better and feel
00:33:00
Lee Hatfield
catholic army came that was the only first
00:33:15
Lee Hatfield
fifty for
00:33:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
So I knew something was around me and I was just taking pictures before we actually started the investigation.
00:33:23
Lee Hatfield
just the
00:33:28
Lee Hatfield
like say one seven
00:33:29
Cyn Shrader Hill
And I said, i know someone is here with me.
00:33:31
Lee Hatfield
so
00:33:32
Cyn Shrader Hill
I'm just taking pictures. Come with me in the next to the next room. And I took pictures in there and I said, you're still with me. Come with me and took pictures in the next room.
00:33:43
Cyn Shrader Hill
About the third time I said that now I did not hear this live.
00:33:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:33:47
Cyn Shrader Hill
And most of what I catch, I do not hear live.
Memorable Investigations and Humorous Encounters
00:33:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
But when I got home, I found the EVP was this little curmudgeon-y little old man.
00:33:56
Lee Hatfield
have two yeah this is
00:34:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
He was just done with me.
00:34:01
Lee Hatfield
unfortunate
00:34:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
he was done.
00:34:03
Lee Hatfield
you know
00:34:03
Cyn Shrader Hill
But after about the third time I said, come with me, he says, I've got a better idea than to follow you around all night.
00:34:06
Lee Hatfield
for your sister a
00:34:13
Lee Hatfield
have to get and cross look at the two versions
00:34:21
Lee Hatfield
What? what
00:34:25
Lee Hatfield
You must have obviously paid him off.
00:34:27
Cyn Shrader Hill
i
00:34:27
Lee Hatfield
Definitely. Yeah.
00:34:28
Cyn Shrader Hill
I, you know, and he was just done with me.
00:34:33
Lee Hatfield
how
00:34:33
Cyn Shrader Hill
He was done. But i was i was telling him to come with me and he was doing it.
00:34:36
Lee Hatfield
me with review tonight and it's a cool prize.
00:34:40
Lee Hatfield
the last one gets the limit
00:34:41
Cyn Shrader Hill
You know, i I saw the strangest thing I've ever seen is this black cloudy...
00:34:44
Lee Hatfield
john september pretty much yeah
00:34:50
Lee Hatfield
you have to figure out the clean you're losing
00:34:50
Cyn Shrader Hill
thing with eyes floating over me.
00:34:52
Lee Hatfield
to keep
00:34:54
Cyn Shrader Hill
and I was looking and i I usually see things in reflection instead of straight on.
00:34:55
Lee Hatfield
some up
00:35:00
Cyn Shrader Hill
I've only seen a couple of spirits straight on.
00:35:01
Lee Hatfield
<unk>re trying to be sta
00:35:06
Cyn Shrader Hill
It's almost like my brain is telling me you're not ready to see them.
00:35:07
Lee Hatfield
hyperfiche for you know a hidden word great super
00:35:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
You're not ready. So, you know, maybe, maybe I'm not, but I really would like to
00:35:13
Lee Hatfield
some
00:35:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
But I see things in reflection like mirrors, a black TV screen, a shiny desk. I was sitting at the shiny desk and this thing floated over me.
00:35:26
Lee Hatfield
but but you have to do it instantly on a time.
00:35:29
Cyn Shrader Hill
And stopped what I was doing.
00:35:31
Lee Hatfield
If you're too slow, you have to go ahead.
00:35:33
Cyn Shrader Hill
And I had my my recorder going.
00:35:35
Lee Hatfield
James is the
00:35:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
And i said, I think I saw something.
00:35:42
Lee Hatfield
middle of the night.
00:35:42
Cyn Shrader Hill
But I don't know. it was it was the weirdest looking thing, like a cloud with eyes. A black cloud with eyes.
00:35:48
Lee Hatfield
for
00:35:49
Cyn Shrader Hill
And I looked up, and of course I didn't see it.
00:35:50
Lee Hatfield
be here za
00:35:53
Cyn Shrader Hill
But I was looking all around, and the EVP I got later was, it was me!
00:35:56
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:35:59
Cyn Shrader Hill
e
00:36:02
Lee Hatfield
That's cool.
00:36:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah. So it was, they had a actually, this was at an old business in town and they're still in business. The, the place was built back in the 1800s and added on.
00:36:14
Cyn Shrader Hill
And, they've been haunted for a long, long time.
00:36:14
Lee Hatfield
uber
00:36:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:36:18
Cyn Shrader Hill
And it's a trickster in there that likes to scare the customers or the workers. And, i i wanted to find that particular spirit for them.
00:36:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
This spirit is so blatant that they caught it on camera crawling up into a desk desk chair. And it turns and looks directly at the camera.
00:36:44
Lee Hatfield
Take some water in a little bit.
00:36:44
Cyn Shrader Hill
It knows where the cameras are. It knows when the people come to work. It knows when a customer comes in. It knows. They caught footsteps. They caught it as a shadow figure. They caught it as a wisp of smoke.
00:36:58
Cyn Shrader Hill
They caught it as a static-y. On the camera, they caught a static-y thing with eyes. And I saw the cloud with eyes.
00:37:09
Cyn Shrader Hill
So it just appears in different... ways and it was there i actually turned my recorder on before i ever stepped inside so he was there the entire time i stepped in until we left and when i got up from that desk to go into another part of the business
00:37:29
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Wow.
00:37:36
Cyn Shrader Hill
I said, I'm going to the kitchen area where my husband and my high school friend who who worked at the place and his son were sitting.
00:37:42
Lee Hatfield
so
00:37:45
Lee Hatfield
a
00:37:46
Cyn Shrader Hill
And this this entity said, where are we going?
00:37:50
Lee Hatfield
thank you
00:37:52
Cyn Shrader Hill
And i said, you know, I didn't hear that again. And I said, I'm going to the kitchen. And while I'm walking down the hallway toward the kitchen, this thing goes, we're running, It's just, you never know what you're going to come up with.
00:37:59
Lee Hatfield
capital
00:38:08
Lee Hatfield
That's awesome.
00:38:15
Cyn Shrader Hill
You never know.
Role of Skepticism and Ethical Practices in Paranormal Investigation
00:38:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and i I do think that in this day and age, people are far too quick to deep debunk stuff like that. Because I know when we started working together as a team, we were getting audio and it's like, what's that? Well, it could be this. And we like we'd just brush it off.
00:38:34
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right. Right.
00:38:34
Lee Hatfield
Where now we've realised, when we've sort of slowed down, took taken a back step, and we're listening to things, we are actually hearing...
00:38:35
Cyn Shrader Hill
Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
Lee Hatfield
what we think are whispers or what we think are words. And it's really weird because people go, well, yeah, do you think it's a ghost? And we go, we we never, ever say it's a ghost.
00:38:59
Lee Hatfield
We always say, we put it on the unexplained pile.
00:38:59
Cyn Shrader Hill
right
00:39:03
Lee Hatfield
We have two piles, explained, car going past air conditioning, as I mentioned earlier, and this is unexplained.
00:39:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
Yeah.
00:39:10
Lee Hatfield
And there's only so many... tests, audio tests and that kind of stuff that you can do professionally before you go, okay, I've done all my tests. I've got no idea what that was. so That's going to stay on the unexplained pile.
00:39:22
Cyn Shrader Hill
Right. Right. And that's in your could be paranormal pile.
00:39:27
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, exactly.
00:39:27
Cyn Shrader Hill
So, cause we, we, we don't, we don't know who exactly
00:39:32
Lee Hatfield
say
00:39:35
Cyn Shrader Hill
That was speaking. You know, if f we're having a seance, say we're at a seance and we hear great aunt Ruth come through and say she wants her tea whatever.
00:39:50
Lee Hatfield
whatever
00:39:50
Cyn Shrader Hill
Is it great aunt Ruth or is it a mimic?
00:39:51
Lee Hatfield
great
00:39:55
Lee Hatfield
That's it. You just don't know.
00:39:57
Cyn Shrader Hill
And you don't.
00:39:57
Lee Hatfield
Okay. So being the founder of Elk Valley Paranormal, and I think it's really funny that the initials are EVP, which we we've been talking about tonight. That's a coincidence, of it obviously.
00:40:10
Lee Hatfield
What would you say has been your most favorite investigation in the time that you've been investigating?
00:40:17
Cyn Shrader Hill
Oh, my most favorite. i've We've had a lot of investigations at the old hospital here and gotten a lot of evidence from that place.
00:40:22
Lee Hatfield
cause i knew they were going to forty
00:40:30
Cyn Shrader Hill
that I guess that's the one I've had the most at. Favorite? ah i've I'm going to have to say Birdcage Theater is my favorite place I've been that's haunted.
00:40:46
Cyn Shrader Hill
But i did not I was not investigating.
00:40:49
Lee Hatfield
coming
00:40:50
Cyn Shrader Hill
I was just walking through and you know how when you walk through somewhere how things feel differently. you know you Some's heavy, some are You know, there's a shift in energy somehow.
00:41:02
Cyn Shrader Hill
All of a sudden, something's dark or darker and you can't quite breathe as well. Or, you know, that was my favorite place to be because I just love that whole story.
00:41:13
Cyn Shrader Hill
Tombstone, when Val Kilmer played Doc, I just and that was that was one of my favorite movies.
00:41:16
Lee Hatfield
we could
00:41:22
Lee Hatfield
are
00:41:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
And so to actually go out there and be in that area was fun.
00:41:24
Lee Hatfield
and
00:41:30
Lee Hatfield
That's cool. Okay, so we're basically coming towards the end of the podcast. So I'm going to now hand it over to you for any final words that you would like to tell us.
00:41:40
Cyn Shrader Hill
and Okay.
00:41:41
Lee Hatfield
Put you on the spot.
00:41:43
Cyn Shrader Hill
No, that's fine. That's fine. Just be open when you're going in to investigate. Be respectful because you're actually going into, even if the building is abandoned, that was someone's place of existence at one time, whether they live there, whether they work there or whatever.
00:41:56
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:42:03
Lee Hatfield
friend that <unk>
00:42:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
But be respectful because it's still their place.
00:42:13
Lee Hatfield
they could do
00:42:14
Cyn Shrader Hill
And you wouldn't want someone just barging into your home saying, anyone here?
00:42:17
Lee Hatfield
something something asking miss
00:42:21
Cyn Shrader Hill
So be respectful.
00:42:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
Be safe. Protect yourself at all costs in whatever your belief system is.
00:42:28
Lee Hatfield
revenueu you
00:42:34
Cyn Shrader Hill
And it doesn't hurt to have extras. such as crystals and taking a little bit of rock salt or throwing a little salt in your shower, white light yourself, meditate, any ah any of the above, prayers.
00:42:39
Lee Hatfield
it's all that you years
00:42:44
Lee Hatfield
should how do
00:42:49
Lee Hatfield
tonight peter you
00:42:51
Cyn Shrader Hill
It doesn't matter. It's whatever you are most comfortable doing. But do it do it every time.
00:43:00
Lee Hatfield
this
00:43:01
Cyn Shrader Hill
When you're speaking with spirit, the very most important thing ever is to close your session.
00:43:04
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:43:10
Cyn Shrader Hill
So if you're speaking on a spirit box or you're just asking questions on recorder, always say I am either, thank you for speaking with us.
00:43:24
Cyn Shrader Hill
We're done now. Goodbye.
Conclusion and Invitation for Future Discussions
00:43:26
Lee Hatfield
it's amazing
00:43:26
Cyn Shrader Hill
or you know, whatever, but make sure you close any session. And that can be with a Ouija board. if you, if you're safe with a Ouija board, spirit box, whatever, however you're talking with spirit, copper rods, pendulum, or just speaking out into the room, protect yourself in the session.
00:43:43
Lee Hatfield
Thank each aonina
00:43:49
Cyn Shrader Hill
Say thank you. Goodbye.
00:43:53
Lee Hatfield
That's really funny because as you were going through that, I'm going, yep I do that. I do that. I do that. I do that. One of the things that I that i do, I actually apologize.
00:44:05
Lee Hatfield
say Because if it's a popular location, I go, look, I know people come each week. I know people always ask the same questions. and And I apologize all the time. but It's really, really funny.
00:44:16
Cyn Shrader Hill
but it's But it's nice to do that.
00:44:19
Lee Hatfield
It is. it is it but It just means that you've been respectful. Okay, then, Sin. Well, thank you for chatting. It's been very enlightening. So for the listeners, she did promise s Sin did promise that she was going to wear a ball gown and tiara.
00:44:34
Lee Hatfield
However, her excuse was that she had lost it. So I'm not going to hold that against her on this occasion. But if there's a any other time that you fancy coming back and chatting about something else, you're most welcome to come back.
00:44:50
Lee Hatfield
And I'm sure the listeners will enjoy it as much as what I have done tonight.
00:44:53
Cyn Shrader Hill
I would love, i would love to come back and talk about anything you would like to talk about.
00:44:55
Lee Hatfield
Awesome.
00:44:58
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, that sounds like a plan.
00:44:59
Cyn Shrader Hill
Let's do it.
00:45:02
Lee Hatfield
Okay, I appreciate it. Thanks very much. Take care.
00:45:04
Cyn Shrader Hill
Thank you.
00:45:05
Lee Hatfield
Bye-bye.