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242- 20% of Brits doing Veganuary right now!
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Unbelievable stats from a report released this week. But ditching animal products is apparently still harder to do than ditching booze. As well as this story, Paul, Freedom, Kate & Ant dissect nine other bits of news from the last 7 days in the vegan & animal rights space.
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Enough of the Falafel is a community of people who love keeping on top of the latest news in the world of veganism & animal rights. With the Vegan Week podcast, we aim to keep listeners (& ourselves) informed & up-to-date with the latest developments that affect vegans & non-human animals; giving insight, whilst staying balanced; remaining true to our vegan ethics, whilst constantly seeking to grow & develop.
Each week we look through news stories from the past 7 days in the world of veganism & animal rights.
If you spot any news stories that might catch our fancy, or have an idea for a discussion topic, get in touch via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com.
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This week's stories:
https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/news/oreo-ends-animal-testing-peta-campaign/
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2026-01-18/national/socialAffairs/Bullfighting-organizers-face-investigation-over-alleged-animal-abuse-drugging/2502830
https://www.ewn.co.za/2026/01/14/from-braai-to-beans-veganuary-nudges-south-africans-towards-plant-based-eating
https://www.timeout.com/johannesburg/news/international-chef-sunni-speaks-brings-signature-vegan-oxtail-to-johannesburg-011626
https://www.farminguk.com/news/christmas-shoppers-ditch-turkey-as-lamb-and-dairy-deliver-festive-boost_67859.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/horses-leap-flames-pets-church-spanish-animal-rituals-129305751
https://www.farminguk.com/news/higher-welfare-could-protect-farm-incomes-research-suggests_67864.html
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/news /a-fifth-of-brits-taking-part-in-veganuary/714062.article
https://www.theempathyproject.co.uk/film (a new film being released this month)
https://dogstodaymagazine.co.uk/2026/01/19/charities-launch-new-animal-welfare-evidence-centre/
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Paul, Freedom, Kate & Ant
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Introduction to Hosts and Show Focus
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Hello everyone, if you are looking for animal rights and vegan news, you need to stop looking because you're in the right place. You're here with enough of the falafel. We are the vegan news people and have been for the last three years. I'm Anthony. Joining me for this episode are Kate and Paul and Freedom. But that is enough of the falafel. It is time for Vegan Week.
00:00:23
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter is used for. Brrr! Roaty! Take your flat-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
00:00:35
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Should I call the medium and say, hi, sorry? True education. The younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things.
00:00:47
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What this? What kind of movie is this? It's comedy gold, maybe. Any form of social injustice. with another as long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be all right does veganism give him superpowers
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i cannot fly around the city i don't have laser vision yay hi everybody kate here with welcome to the show it's great that you've joined us thank you so much for being here Hello everyone, this is Paul. Good to connect with you again. Just in case you're a new listener, however, is our new show where we look through last week's vegan and animal rights news, sort of typically about 10 or so stories. And that's different to our vegan talk show, which we delve into, distinguishing more deeply. Hi everyone, this is Freedom, but that's enough of the Falafel show. Let's hear what's going on in the news this week.
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For more details on the upcoming news stories, including links to our original source material, check out our show notes for this episode, available on your podcast player.
Corporate Changes in Animal Testing: Mondelez and Oreo
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Okay, we're going to start off with one of those news stories where I'm a bit conflicted about how to feel because it is reporting good news about something that I didn't know was a bad thing in the first place. I'll be interested to hear listeners and our panel, whether they feel the same. So the headline reads, huge win for rodents. Hooray! As Oreo scraps animal testing funding.
00:02:28
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And I'm reading that going, sorry, Oreo were funding animal testing? So the parent company, if you like, Mondelez International, they've announced this week that they're no longer funding animal testing. animal testing and vegan food and living say that this is following a dedicated campaign ah against that. So there was a long-standing loophole that has now been closed. This loophole previously allowed the conglomerates, so Mondelez International, they also own Cadbury and Ritz amongst other companies. It allowed the conglomerate to bankroll quote nutritional science tests that weren't actually legally required nor were they essential for product safety, but it was funding them. So if you kind of followed the money, technically, if you were buying Oreos that are one of those products that are accidentally vegan, you would kind of be funding in a very small way and unnecessary animal testing. We'd obviously argue that all animal testing is unnecessary. This campaign was led by people for the ethical treatment of animals, otherwise known as PETA,
00:03:41
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63,000 individuals and global entities were pushing this campaign and it seems like this week the horrible stuff has has come to an end. Kate, you've had a look at this one in a bit more detail. Were you aware that this was going on in the first place or were you like me in the dark?
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No, it's just like, oh my goodness, it's yet another thing to have to think about and worry about. I mean, apparently, things like force feeding chocolate to rats and things has been a thing, all sorts of awful things. This this is excellent news. It's really great. And we must celebrate our wins. but Unfortunately, there is still a requirement for certain, I guess, the novel chemicals that they're coming up with in certain food products to be tested for for regulatory approval. So the food industry, they're always looking for new kind of chemicals to cut the cost.
00:04:43
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ah pad stuff out, add artificial flavourings and all that kind of stuff. So I guess ah another reason to avoid like the super duper ultra processed foods, you know, even things like artificial sweeteners, you know, apparently scientists have performed over 12,000 animal experiments. leading to deaths on various animals, including all sorts of animals, including beagles, which we talked about last week. And Danone, it has funded animal testing for baby formula, where scientists, should they surgically insert tubes into baby piglets' stomachs, or intestines rather, I think, to see how easily the formula is digested for human babies. It's Frankenstein, isn't it? It's awful.
00:05:34
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Even some pet food ingredients have been tested for. It's just madness. so my solution is to check out PETA's website. They've got Eat Without Experiments campaign going on. Anything you see on there, just boycott it.
00:05:53
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Eat real food. But even then, we have to worry about the pesticides and fungicides and herbicides that all been tested on animals. Ah! But, you know, we're all doing the best we can in a non-vegan world. So, yeah, that's all really what can say. Yeah, absolutely. And that um yeah that call to action to visit the PETA website is is well worth doing because it does seem like they put a lot of pressure on companies. It wasn't just them. um But this I don't think changes like this would happen without campaigning, would it? so So good on anyone who has got behind that. And it's great to see that also all the people that bothered to sign the petitions and all of that, you know, all of us that do that and think, oh, it's not much no, no point in me signing that petition. Well, yeah, actually, there is a point and we are putting pressure on companies. So that's all great, I think, as well.
00:06:48
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Yeah, absolutely. Keep it up, vegans. Keep it up. Who knows the next positive change that will result from our
The Rise of Veganuary in South Africa
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actions. A positive change that is happening in South Africa has been reported in Eyewitness News this week. This is a South African online publication. They say Veganuary is gaining traction in South Africa with more people cutting back on meat for health.
00:07:13
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cost and environmental reasons as it as retailers expand plant-based options. So the article reckons that about 3% of South Africa's population now identifies as vegan or vegetarian, which it says is a small but growing and highly committed crop. group. Retailers are obviously picking up on this and and expanding ranges that are available for folk. And as I said at the top, in terms of the reasons for it, yes, there can be ethical reasons. Yes, there are health reasons, but the article also mentions price pressures. So beef prices reportedly increasing by about 40% year on year. In terms of the number crunching, beef costs roughly 2.81 rand, per gram of protein compared to about 32 cents per gram of protein for dry beans as well and ah similar price increases for dairy milk and therefore plant-based options are more sustainable financially too. Freedom this is is great news and I think when you've been on the show before you've been commenting that younger generations seem to be taking up plant-based eating and vegan lifestyles so it's great to see this playing out in data and reported in news articles too. Yeah, you know, it's all driven by the Veganuary annual campaign. You know, it's been getting food cold here as the years goes by, you know, and like I said in the last podcast, um the younger generations, they are more, I suppose, and then understanding the implication of non-vegan diet, you know,
00:08:59
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So the internet kind of helps them and exposes the truth to them and also kind of um shows the real brutality as linked to non-vegan cuisines, you know.
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So, and of course that has led to the increasing number of people who want to try vegan cuisines and vegan lifestyle you know and I think at the moment is um more focused on the younger generation and also some of the millennials who are also curious about what vegan rally means and all in line with the new year has just begun so and then on some couldn't try out on call meat feed mondays or try to automate between vegan alternate between meat and plant-based meals so and yeah kudos to the internet also to kind of um give them ideas on different recipes to try out so and yeah as correctly said by the
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article you know there's current price pressures you know increasing in price as on caused by inflation so food commodities like um beef only kept on increasing and then you know this kind of causes on the population to kind of seek um alternative options to try out so and these umcom are are also at the right time when the January campaign comes on into play And then yeah, it's actually helping in that manner too. So the recent, yeah, I'll give kudos to the vegan startups down here.
00:10:44
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who try to you know provide milk alternative you know and also well detailed on how healthy these um milk alternatives you know so at the moment i don't think the dairy industry is kind of dominating so um options like um almond you know butternut and others and also when you have um distinct population that are lactose intolerant so these are kind of creates that demand for Miracle Alternative. So yes, it keeps getting better and then I'm positive that as the years go by, we're getting momentum and are supported by more Vidyan campaigns. Yeah.
00:11:28
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Yeah. Let's, let's see even more of them.
Traditional vs. Plant-Based Christmas Meat Preferences
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That's, that's great. And yeah, thank you for looking at that one, Freedom. Lots of, lots of interesting data in that article, which you can look at if you follow the link in our show notes. Another article that we've have looked at this week, and we're going ask Paul to have a chat about now. It comes from Farming UK and they have been crunching the data too. They've been looking at Christmas shoppers. So ah a month ago, almost to the day of this ah being released, ah people were tucking into their Christmas dinner and but Farming UK have been looking at the trends. Now,
00:12:08
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I don't know what to make of this. We'll hear Paul's take in a moment and listeners, we'd love to hear yours too. The headline is that Christmas shoppers ditched turkey as lamb and dairy deliver festive boosts. So not necessarily a positive thing for animals, but there is a change. It was described as a record-breaking Christmas shop for which is interesting. ah Grocery sales reached a new high of £13.8 billion pounds over Christmas 2025. God, that's mind-boggling, isn't it? Shoppers spent an average of £476 each in supermarkets during the festive month. Don't know whether that surprises me or not. It's certainly a lot. Paul, what did you make of these priorities changing? that They're describing here at turkey being the clear casualty of twenty Christmas 2025. Turkey volume's down 12% year on year. But then then we've got lamb going up by 24.7%.
00:13:08
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Pork going up by 43.7%. Cow's cheese up a little bit. Do we take a positive or or negative read on this, or is it just... arbitrary in a sense from a vegan point of view yeah I sort of read through the article and I think to be honest when I read through it thought why are we picking this one um but that's I think there is stuff in here to pick out just not apparent to start with so the summary I had after reading this was more about okay there's lots of stats and changing in behavior here but ultimately what it comes down to is which
00:13:41
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tortured dead animal or people having killed for them for Christmas. So nothing changes for the animals in that sense. However, as you say, you know, there's, i guess there's a point to the traditional turkey meal being a casualty. No irony in that statement there, if they're being killed less. But yes yeah, it's um still very much a happy, likely carcinogenic Christmas with people having a preference for red meat, it seems, over over things like turkey, um So, you know, ho-ho hospital visits ahead for that. yeah I think, you know, as I say, turkeys might be good news for them. I think we knew before Christmas there's quite a lot of episodes of turkeys and chickens being slaughtered for a bird flu, as I recall. So, I mean, there was probably, I think, a shortage of, more of a shortage of those.
00:14:29
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I don't know even if some of the markets shifted because of that to sort of try and promote the alternative products so that people could get on board with, like, lamb or whatever like that. So, um of course the main thing about this article if people have a look at it is there's no mention at all of any plant-based sales so we've got no real reference point here for what the plant-based sales were like over this period how that worked odd you know if you're going to look at the whole whole sales you know you've got dairy as well and sadly the sales for dairy have been reported as being up as well but you know nothing here about vegan cheese sales nothing about
00:15:04
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plant alternatives, whether that's good or bad in terms of sales. But it's a bit strange to sort of miss it out from the overall picture. Well, there's nothing on arable, is there? I i mean, no on narrow about we you know, if it's Farming UK, you would have thought you'd be talking about all the products that were farmed. And we might not expect the sales of potatoes to change year on year. But ah I don't know. might might be worth mentioning. That's interesting, mission isn't it? Yeah, I mean, you know, you've seen different vegetables coming out. like yeah I think there's a bit of a push on things like purple sprouts and things like that. And it's like, I mean, people will be interested in knowing how those new products, new arable products went as well. But yeah, sadly, this is much a case of depressing increases in the sort of stuff we want to see being sold less. So not a great story from that perspective, unfortunately.
00:15:51
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i'm goingnna yeah I'm very happy to be shot down as naive or pie in the sky or anything here by listeners or or yourself, Paul. But I wondered whether there was a bit of a silver lining to this in that I think one of the obstacles to veganism is ah tradition and culture and things being normal or it being a routine thing or what have you. And so that although we are moving from...
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one animal product to another if this trend is to continue. The fact that turkey doesn't have to be the staple every single year suggests that people might be willing to bring in alternatives. if they're If they're not yet plant-based alternatives, that's a shame. Of course, it's a tragedy for the animals, but I wondered whether that was ah a a sign that, oh, okay, people are willing to try different things.
00:16:52
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I'm not, I'm not sure personally, cause there is specific reference to, you know, the big, the larger cheese. I think it's really depressing actually an extra over half a million cheese buying occasions, whatever that is. So up four and a half percent, um, over the year. And that's sort of being cited as cheese boards being a tradition as part of Christmas as well. So I think from that example there, that sort suggests tradition is still strong. Uh, I totally agree with you though. Turkey being, I guess the most traditional dead animal that served, um,
00:17:22
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I don't know how many people that eat meat even like turkey because a lot of people moan about it being dry. Obviously, we don't have to worry about that sort of thing. But yeah, maybe maybe there is ah a step change from looking outside of one product to other products to then maybe stepping away from meat entirely. Who knows? Be good to see that. Yeah, yeah.
00:17:41
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Well, that's probably enough talk about Christmas, isn't it? Only 334 days to go. Let's move on to a country that we've been talking about quite a bit campaigning against animal abuse recently.
Animal Rights in Traditional Practices: Korea and Spain
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That is Korea. We have got a story from Korea, Jung Ang Daily,
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I don't think we've used their sources before. Bullfighting organizers faced investigation over alleged animal abuse, comma, drugging. I think something's lost a bit in the translation there, but you can get the gist. The government in Korea, I'm assuming this is what we might call South Korea, they have launched an investigation into allegations that bullfighting organisers were drugging bulls to fight through injuries. And this follows allegations raised by the Korean Green Party's Daegu chapter, which claimed that many fighting bulls were forced to compete whilst injured after receiving painkillers or other injuries.
00:18:45
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drugs. Kate, you've looked into this story a bit more for us. I find this interesting that it's the government that's sanctioning this. And again, i said I think I said it the last time we reported a story from Korea. I don't know whether it's my algorithm or whether there just seems to be a wave in Korea at the moment of really pressing down on these animal rights issues. Obviously not a vegan kind country. There's no such thing as a vegan country yet. But the It is great to see like the government pushing through with these things to to try and, I don't know, reach better outcomes for these poor animals.
00:19:24
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Yeah, i've really I couldn't say actually whether they're particularly um doubling down on animal rights things in Korea any better than anywhere else. But just for clarification, this is not like bullfighting in a lot of parts of the world, you know, person on bull, this is bull on bull, bulls being forced to fight each other. And unfortunately, I guess, I suppose, dragging them means that they are going to fight on a lot longer than they would otherwise if they were really hurting and badly injured. It's going to mask all of that and they're going to carry on.
00:20:03
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And so to my mind, it's particularly sort of bloodthirsty and ghoulish to allow this to, well, to, to in you know, force it to happen, to force these poor frightened animals to fight each other Yeah, it's good that ah the government are looking into it. So they're forming an expert committee. and I just wonder who's going to be on it Is it going to be a lot of industry people saying, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It doesn't really happen. Or, you know, who's going to be on it? So under Korean law,
00:20:39
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ah Acts that cause injury to animals through physical or chemical means, including the use of tools or drugs, they can result in two years in prison or, you know, very hefty fines. I can't help thinking so that would include all animal ag, wouldn't it really? But you know. The current law treats acts that injure animals for gambling, advertising, entertainment or amusement as abuse.
00:21:07
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But bullfighting is exempt because, hey, we love that, don't we? So we're just going to let that one ride. Well, it's kind of what we I was saying in the last article that Paul had in terms of foods or animals that people eat at Christmas time as tradition. Like that's why there's this exemption for bullfighting in Korea, isn't there? Because it's traditional. It's is's the act on traditional bullfighting. It's such a ludicrous argument. Isn't it?
00:21:35
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But I guess hopefully there are probably more and more people in Korea that are ah finding this abhorrent. And perhaps this will be, once this is this is obviously becoming widely known, this might be just like the final thing. I suppose they're probably very afraid that and public opinion is going to want to close it down altogether, which is what really needs to happen. but hey, we'll we'll just have to see, won't we? Yeah, well, I mean, who knows? does Sometimes it doesn't take too many scandals for these things to be exposed. We obviously don't like scandals because it it means something horrific is happening. But if something horrific is happening, we'd we'd rather it be reported. So perhaps there could be a critical mass of media exposes on these things. But yeah, well done all the folk campaigning on behalf of animals in Korea and getting them to press because we are taking note of them.
Innovative Vegan Cuisine: Chef Sonny's Oxtail Dish
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Now, our next story is coming from South Africa again. And, the put you know, be honest, is part of the reason we've got freedom on the show, he can give us an insight into a continent in the world with one and a half billion people that me, Kate, Paul, we can't give that insight. So that's partly why we've got this next story. However, I've also included it in the running order because it it involves a plant-based version of a product that I have never heard before.
00:22:57
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being turned into a plant-based version. That is a vegan oxtail. I'm assuming that means oxtail soup. Reading through it, that's kind of, it looks like ah like a broth. There's, I don't know, there's ah a bit of rice going on there too. But yeah, a vegan version of it. Never heard that. Why are we talking about that? Well, international chef Sonny Speaks, that that is their name. I kept reading the article thinking, what is Sonny speaking about? But I think that is her name, Sonny Speaks. um And she has been visiting Johannesburg, specifically this restaurant called The Vegan Chef. and that Follow the link in the show notes. You'll see lots of great publicity photos um and lots of talk about this fantastic vegan restaurant. oxtail freedom it's not um it's not a dish i'd ever come across a vegan version of it had you heard of this before no i have not uh this so recent i think i i should also try go get a test on how it tastes like yeah it's an interesting discovery like when i was um reading through the article and um
00:24:08
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I was trying to... one thing that captured my interest was on how to how she made it and then the ingredients that um could be constituted in it. So think this gives them the vegans down here more options and I am really happy that um she's bringing her recipe down here and also opening a restaurant down here so I'm reading through the article she's trying to give the vegans something that also has a meaty taste you know and also for the non vegans you know something that has a meaty taste for them so and then something that we also be healthy so she she made mention of using onions, pale pepper, fresh herbs
00:24:56
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It's really a recipe I would really have to go try out. You have lemon, there's also rice, there's also stew in it. And then she also uses sugar and it was really interesting. But I think she also revealed um the secret ingredient that um the one that's not originally using the other oxtail that maybe non-vegans would know about. She said it's a beefy taste, I think coming.
00:25:25
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she said that it has the secret ingredient that she uses so i i would commend on the product itself that um she's i'm showing to the world at the moment i think and who knows what more ideas she has down her sleeve and it's really gonna change the overall background that we have down here you know the menu is gonna change and there's a more a new addition to the menu for vegans and non-vegans alive. So I myself have to go get a taste of it. Yeah, yeah. You're looking very enthusiastic for this. I think once we finish recording, I can see you going into the kitchen freedom. That's great. I mean, something that struck me as well is that this is this has not been reported in a vegan publication or anything like that. This is in Time Out magazine, which I don't know if it's the case in South Africa, but like in the UK, that's a pretty big popular publication and that they've seen it fit to report on this. So this isn't a thing that's sort of just quietly happening, like quite a big deal is being made of this. Yeah, I would have to go research more as well. You know, who knows? She could be the first to do this at the moment. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But no, great, great positive story, that one. And it seems like there's some sort of vegan revolution starting in South Africa, which we're very happy to read about. Thank you for that one, Freedom.
00:26:53
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So we'll move on to one last story before we hear Kate, Paul and Freedom's pick of the week. I think we have made reference to this ritual, this tradition in the past, um but it has been reported on ABC News. This week, this is an annual event in Spain where hundreds of people gather to watch horses gallop through flames and also companion animals go to church. This is honouring, I'm sorry to say, St Anthony. It takes place every January. St Anthony the Abbot, the patron saint of domestic animals. And the article talks about, like I say, this evocative and horrifying event image of horses galloping through towering flames and pet owners taking their dogs and cats to church to be blessed with holy water. It describes lots of animals looking quite bemused and not really being sure what's what's going on, which is unsurprising.
00:27:55
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A positive, Paul, is the fact that it, like I say, it's it's not a vegan news source here, but they are fairly early on mentioning the fact that animal rights groups are expressing criticism of this. Nonetheless, it doesn't make positive reading, does it? And it didn't read to me like the kind of tradition that is going to be ending anytime soon. Yeah, it's a real contrast of ah of events here in terms of what's included in the article. Like you say, you've got this really barbaric scene of horses running through flames, which I equate to the sort of running of the bulls type events that so you know we see in in Spain or have seen in Spain versus the kind of almost quite...
00:28:42
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cute and sweet, taking domestic animals to church for blessing. um it It seems maybe that um the patron Saint st Anthony is perhaps ah um a bit mixed in his views on animals.
00:28:54
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I guess it all comes down to, you know we've been talking about tradition earlier on, and this is all about tradition, ultimately. um which I think it was Mark on another show said, traditions just peer pressure from dead people. I quite like that statement, something like that, wasn't it? And yeah, there's no, there is no reason whatsoever to put horses through this other than to create a spectacle and probably support a bit of local community.
00:29:18
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economy, I guess. They've referred to what it was done for historically back in the day, and that was to ironically try and protect the health of animals, um which seems slightly um ironic. And yeah, so it's a load of old bollocks really as to why they're running it. They have said that so were people who, I guess, represent the event saying animals are rarely if ever injured. But again, you know, if the whole thing is about protecting animals, why are you putting them through it anyway? There's all sorts of reference to some of the things that people do to dress up the horses or you know maybe allegedly protect them but some of them are putting on like ribbons and all this sort of stuff which I assume acts as really efficient kindling so doesn't seem like a really great idea yeah it's so pretty horrible um god knows why we do it best to see the back of it as soon as possible I mean, you you mentioned those measures that are being taken to, quote, protect the animals.
00:30:13
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I just question, like, if you truly loved someone, would you do that? Like, would would somebody wrap their child's pear in fire-resistant tape or apply a glaze on their, I don't know, neck? it It mentions applying a glaze on on the animal's mane to prevent them from burning. Like, would you do that to your own child and then make them leap through flames? No, I don't think you would. I don't think you would because you, you, you value them. You respect their right to autonomy and, and consent and choosing these things. It's yeah, it's complete objectification. And if people want to do that themselves, if people want to do that themselves, they quiet yeah run down the streets and jump through flame, that's fine.
00:30:58
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Go for it, mate. And I think that was, for I think, wasn't that what I think if I remember rightly, but, Petter tried to set up with them running of the bulls, didn't they? They tried to get people doing it instead, if I remember rightly, ah many years ago from when I used to read about it. But yeah, people want to do it, fine, go for it, your choice, but don't put don't put animals through it when they've got no choice. Yes, absolutely. I mean, a ah so a slight positive is, like I say, the fact that the animal rights critique is mentioned several times, throughout the article. um I wouldn't say it's front and centre, but perhaps perhaps these are the first steps towards public opinion starting to turn on these things. We can only hope.
00:31:39
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Thank you for that one, Paul. We're going to take a quick break now, listeners. When we get back, and once you've got your cup of tea ready or whatever you are choosing to use your break to do. and We're going to look at picks of the week. We have got one from Farming UK that Kate is going to focus on, which is a bit of a brain twister. Some real positive news from the grocer that Paul is going to focus on with regards to Veganuary. And then Freedom is going to be telling us about a new film that is coming out.
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Okay, Kate, you're going first then. Farming UK has been your source. Higher welfare could protect farm incomes, research suggests. Now, I've got to say, that headline surprised me because I'm pretty sure on this show, we have said before, higher welfare, although we might have the You know, the the discussion about, oh, is it good to be welfarist or abolitionist, yada, yada, yada. If we are at least insisting on higher welfare standards, then it's going to cost farms more, which is going to affect their bottom line. But this seems to be suggesting the opposite. Hmm, isn't intriguing? Thank you so much, Farming UK, for allowing us once again into your dystopian world. Yeah, it's all about the money, Anthony, I'm afraid. Who could have guessed, eh? So i I just, listeners can't see this, I'm just holding up here. This is my mind map to get my brain round this, which it is kind of a reflection of the mess that is my brain, right? So yeah, this is an interesting story, shall we say. um So higher welfare standards for British bacon and eggs could help protect farm incomes.
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ah New research has shown shoppers are willing to pay more for animal welfare information if it's made clear. Well, ha let's hope it's made clear. Welfare influences the purchasing decisions of around two thirds of household food shoppers, apparently. So the findings come as the UK government sets out its new animal welfare strategy for England, which was published last month.
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And they propose significant changes to farm animal welfare standards, but they need evidence, economic evidence, in order to base their decisions on So there's been some research from the University of Reading, and it suggests that welfare improvements could add billions of pounds to the value of income across the pig and egg sectors, provided higher standards are clearly reflected in the marketplace. Apparently, eight in 10 shoppers are wanting welfare scores on food labels. So consumers, so it's part of the the research, consumers said they believed that higher welfare translates to products that are healthier, that was 60% of people, taste better, 64% of people, and are better for the environment, 73% of people.
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And probably the animals are much happier as well. So I would imagine. So basically, marketing has done a great job. Perhaps animal products taste better when people feel less guilty because they think animals have had a slightly nicer life. So farmers are worried because they think higher costs to produce so-called higher welfare animal products will be undercut by foreign competition with low welfare. Isn't that what they always say? Good to get a bit of casual racism in there as well, isn't it? You know, whilst we're exploiting animals, let's just have a dig at foreigners too. And don't forget halal. Yeah, don't forget how well, yeah, yeah. Isn't that what they said, though, in Switzerland as well? That's also what they were worried about because they have got welfare packaging there, haven't they? But this is going to be slightly different, I think. Anyway, so the report surveyed about 3,000 households. on how much they'd be prepared to pay for certain higher welfare measurements, highlighting a few key practices and issues for all the different animals, but only a few, not all the different welfare things. So each farm animal was given a score out of 100 for current practices, right? And then they found out how much people were willing to pay to increase the welfare by just a certain bit. So things like, well, actually, people haven't got a clue either. They weren't really given proper, clear description of what actually happens to those animals anyway. So how they can understand any so-called increase in welfare, I don't know.
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But say switching out colony cages for laying hens, they start off with a dismal score of 31 out of 100. by so taking away the the cages, they are 51 out of 100, which is like, you know, which is still a shit life, in my opinion. And people were willing to pay about twenty p per egg.
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for that which equates to 496 million pounds a year right so getting rid of farrowing crates for pigs at the minute according to the scoring system by reading university they have a a shit life of 27 out 100 in their rating but it would mean that in they would their life would they be 47 out of 100 which is still a less than half decent life isn't it but that would be worth people would be willing to pay 1.4 billion pounds per year and i guess most of that not each no
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Overall, yeah. But i mean, oh dear. Anyway, it's totally ofset a subjective. They haven't asked the animals what they really value or they really hate. And for example, pain relief for lamb castration it only gets to to To give pain relief, it only gets another three points than the higher than the current practice with no pain relief because they deem that castration of lambs has most impact, is relatively short-lived in comparison to the rest of their life. How do we know that? We don't know that, do we? Not really. I mean, that really highlights for me anyway, the biggest issue with this approach is it's so cynical, isn't it? It's basically saying like, if you read the article in full listeners, you will see this. It jumps out a mile. is basically saying, how can we increase the price the most for the smallest get smallest cost? We want to improve the welfare points as much as we can to basically con the public into paying the biggest increase in price for the least squeeze, the least output from us. that that there's There's basically nothing. in there that's saying, well, of course, we'll need to invest in welfare. We will need to improve welfare. This is going to require a significant change. They're not interested in that. It's like, what's the biggest output we can get from the smallest input? And there's a tiny little bit at the end where it's like literally the penultimate sentence where they're talking about a professor from the University of Reading saying that actually livestock diseases
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cost British farmers more than 300 million pounds every year. And actually, if we improved welfare, then we could save that money. That's the only little bit in there that's kind of saying this might actually be better for animals. Everything else is just completely cynical, isn't it? It is. But even that, of course, is linked to money. It's not like, oh, the animals might have a slightly better life. no that doesn't seem to. Yeah, it's it's um yeah it's it's I find it really abhorrent. It's just evidence for just how depraved the whole system is, really. And on my mind map, I've just i've got ah i've got all the different...
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groups here, including the farmers, and i I've just put afraid of they don't want, they do not want the public to really know what is, what's going on, do they? They just don't. They must be so conflicted over this. On the one hand, oh yes, yes, of course we want to support this, and of course we want to be able to give our animals a better life, but they don't really want the public knowing exactly what goes on and just how inherently cruel the whole system is. Well, well and and similar to what i was saying about Paul's last story of of these horses that are jumping through flames, like what score out of 100 would you want for your own child?
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You know, would you say, oh, well, we can improve their their life welfare from a 27 to a 47. Would that be acceptable? You know, yeah you're not really going to want anything less than 100. Yeah. Really, for for someone you really love and respect and honour. So that underlines the motivation, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, if anyone wants to go and have a look and have a look at the report, all the numbers out of 100 are all just appallingly low. And I don't think they want the general public knowing that at all, to be honest. So shame on them. Yes, indeed.
00:42:25
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Indeed. Well, thank you for that one, Kate. And if you've got a moment after we record, you can take a picture of that mind map and I'll put aa i'll put a nice ah link for for listeners in in the show notes. You can see the way that... Spelling mistakes and all. The way that Kate's brain works. That's great. Let's cheer ourselves up then.
00:42:45
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Paul, your pick of the week comes from the grocer. We have featured news from them before. I should point out this is a publication. It's not just a random grocer that we asked. The headline, very clear, a fifth of Brits, that's 20%, taking part in Veganuary.
Veganuary Participation in the UK
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Paul, tell us more because those numbers are much higher than I would have guessed if it was down to me. Yeah. ah So the article kind of focuses on two things, actually. It's looking at Veganuary, Andri, January, and and kind of doing a bit of a comparison between them and then looking at different groups that are taking part in that, which has got some interesting observations that I'll touch on.
00:43:25
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um Of course, with all these sort of things, you find yourself thinking, this is great, but is the true measure really not how many people carry on with this? It's great that they do it for a month, but how many are going to carry on? And do it for the right reasons. That does get explored a little bit later on, but we'll come to that. and Yeah, as you say, of of a thousand people sampled, so, you know, okay set, but not not loads, I suppose. 19% Brits taking part in Veganuary. A third of people...
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are taking part in dry January, which maybe suggests that people are more willing or it's easier for them to give up booze than it is to give up a bit of ah animal slaughter. So, yeah, there's analysis in terms of age groups, which is quite interesting. Probably, as you'd expect, there is more embracing of both items in the sort of younger years It looks like when people get to an age group that I'm not that far away, it's kind of no no hope. And ah they pretty much become stubborn old people that don't want to change their minds. But yeah you know, interesting to sort of you know, where do we focus our social change efforts on? It's quite interesting. a Bit confusion in some of the graphs initially, because it also refers to a no January initiative, which I read later on means
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People are saying I'm not doing either. So that's fair enough. I'm interested whether I'm a no January. Well, or because I don't drink and I'm already vegan. So am I a no January year well or right am am I doing both for January and dry January? You raise a very interesting point because when we break down the people that are doing Veganuary, it's interesting because 15% of people are already vegan. Now, you know, I don't want to make Veganuary look bad or anything like that, but I think that might be, ah I know the phrase over-egging isn't right here, but fifteen if 15% of people are already vegan, can they really be doing Veganuary?
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and I don't think so. I think that is potentially a little bit disingenuous and to sort of say you're doing something you're already doing. Does that count? I don't think so. Yeah. Two thirds of participants said they'd actively chosen plant based diets before, but perhaps hadn't fully embraced them. Yeah.
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You could read that anyway, couldn't you? Really? People that have dabbled and struggled or, yeah, I mean, I don't know. There could be all sorts of variants within there. And then what I think is really interesting, 19% of people starting with ah what's termed as less experience of avoiding meat and animal products. Don't know what that means exactly, but that sounds like yeah you're kind of fledgling vegans potentially in there that are you know probably the really exciting bit to look at. There's also some other stats that are interesting. When you look at the reasons for people embracing Veganuary, there's a couple of weird things in here or maybe disappointing things. I guess probably all of us and maybe most listeners would like to see people...
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trying veganary out of you know the for the animals the the category environmental or ethical reasons which is a bit of a mix anyway i know um only features fourth highest in the reasons you've got things like physical health mental well-being and weight management ahead of that and i imagine if you split up environmental and ethical reasons ethical reasons would come in even lower so that's um a shame however we've said before so many times if people get on board with it because of another reason I'll take that ah it's just that they hopefully latch on to the animal reason and to give them that better chance of longevity interestingly perhaps as well I spotted the the second to last reason but still with a reasonable percentage was saving money because we have this debate about veganism being expensive but actually 23% people
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I've stated it's for so for saving money. So second to last reason, but still 23% seems a reasonable amount to me. So that's that's quite a positive, I think. And then the only other thing I was going to mention there was looks like quite a few people are only setting out from the outset to do it as a short term thing. Quite a lot of people saying, I want to try and see if I can take it further, but I'm not sure. Or yeah, I'm really committed to it. But quite a small number. I think it looks like something about 8% that people are going... I'm only going to do it for the month now.
00:47:42
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Maybe they're just being more realistic or frank, but I think that's quite a positive figure as well because they've kind of set themselves a very time-limited goal. Great that they're doing it for a little period of time, but they're kind of not really committing past that point, which is a shame. I have to say that very last graph, at the at the bottom of the article is the one that gave me the most hope because you've got 41.5% of people saying, I'm doing this mainly for January, but I may keep some changes. But then 36%, so like a third of these people saying, i I'm hoping it becomes a longer term change. Well, that's really positive. Like a quick bit of maths there. If one in five people are doing in for January,
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and one in three of those are hoping it becomes a longer term change, then if my maths is correct, that means one in 15 people in Britain are hoping that veganism can become a long term change. Now, obviously, these are just people ticking box in a quick survey, you know, and we can't extrapolate that across the whole population. But If you were to ask me to guess what that percentage would be, I would i would be saying, or I've given it as a fraction there, haven't I? One in 15. I would imagine that would be a much larger group of people, maybe like one in 50 or one in 100 or something. So if it's one in 15 people, who as of, it was between the 9th and 11th of January this year, saying that they are hoping veganism can become a longer term change.
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that's That's a really good thing. I'm going to say as well what I always say about any kind of study or report on human behaviour relating to veganism. i want to see more of these.
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i love that i love the health studies. Great. That's fab. I think think we got enough. I want to so owner see more of these studies on veganism. people's behaviour, their habits, what's motivating them, what's blocking them.
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I think that's that's going to lead us ah to a really helpful place in the animal rights movement. So philanthropists, that's where I vote your money goes. Thank you for that one, Paul.
00:49:51
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Right. Freedom's been sitting patiently. Thank you,
Documentary on Animal Advocacy and Empathy
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Freedom. You've got some very exciting news for us. I came across this on, I think I follow Juliet Galatly, the founder of Viva. i think I follow her on Facebook or we're friends. i Apologies, young listeners, you're you're getting cross at me going. He said follow, but it should be friend or he's talking about the snap talk in the wrong way there. Sorry. um But anyway, she is on this film, the Empathy Project film, as are several other activists. This is a mid-length documentary which will be released this month. And it is its aim is to uplift and celebrate public concern for animals and to normalise advocacy for animals worldwide. by platforming voices from the movement. It features Dan Richardson, who we have reviewed the film.
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Ah, what's it called? What's it called? Help me out, Kate. You're really good at remembering these things. Food for Thought. Food for Thought. food for thought Yes, we reviewed his Food for Thought. Food for Thought.
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film last year but he is part of this one freedom you've had a look at the uh at the teaser trailer one minute 45 we've got a link in the show notes for listeners who want to do the same what did you make of it and what what do you think of the scope of this film Yeah, these documentary, I got a hint about it since last year, like um even the founder of the M Party project, Bell Jacobs, I was in contact with her last year, so she also had name mention of the Gavazit
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Although she didn't tell me the title. She said that there was a documentary coming up and Here it is you know towards clean down January 20th January So and then when you look through the documentary normally what I'm vegan media usually do try to mirror the violence that goes on behind the scenes or the violence that's been metered out to the animals on how bloody it is we try to make it raw and then work on few tard videos on
00:52:12
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and how it goes on and what happens ah behind the scenes. So, but this particular documentary, you know, kind of takes a different approach because when you see and look at Muslim vegan activities, most of them, they are involved in it partially.
00:52:30
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And most of them, um The reason why they are doing it is not yet like verify, you know, so these are documentary kind of from X-rays what makes people do this, you know Why and what led them to become advocates, you know, why and what led them to become activists, you know, kind of um shows and that is not just about being emotional, you know It's all about being more humane and then also tries to show the shocking violence that um goes on behind the scenes but in a detailed way.
00:53:06
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So the features in the documentary are well known personals in the vegan comedy being one the chair for Alexis Gauthier, Cleve Wesson and Dan Richardson.
00:53:23
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So what I I do know about Jacob so well, but not that much ah because I had I was in contact with house of last year so the Documentary tries to delve deeper, you know kind kind of tries to make it more inspiring on how the the person who's listed in interact with animals you know kind of shows on what motivates them kind of also tries to show and explain what empathy for animals means and then these um try anyone who gets to watch the documentary you will be in their shoes and try to see what it actually also means to be proper advocate and ah activist what it means to be fully
00:54:07
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involved in it. So the documentary showcases the different reasons that led all these advocates to be well involved from climate and ecological ecological protection to animal rights and to also social justice, you know, and it adds a general question of what can we do, are we vegans, even non-vegans to reduce animal suffering on the war today. so It's a well detailed um documentary.
00:54:38
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I do hope that for the audience that um we come across it, it will regard them properly on what it means to be a good advocate, a proper advocate, and not just to... Although the different forms of media that we utilize all make sense, but I like how it kind of gives you the approach of a deeper meaning, you know.
00:55:01
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showing the different courses, the different pathways to which one becomes a full-fledged advocate. It's interesting to to take this approach, isn't it? And it really excites me. You mentioned just then that perhaps the audience, the main audience, might be a vegan audience for this in that we're we're inspiring people or it's hoping to inspire people to become better advocates themselves, which is a bit hard to do if you're not yet vegan. with
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Would your guess be that the primary intended audience for this would be vegans? Or can you, from what you've seen of the film so far, could you see it being something that is as useful for people who aren't yet vegan? For me, i think it addresses those who are vegans, you know, those who are vegans and who would like to be involved in advocacy.
00:56:00
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Kind of details it on a deeper level. So, but for, because it wasn't taking the approach of, you know, showing the brutal images, you know, the bruttographic images that we usually see.
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the brutal graphic videos that we normally see you know which we most times show to the non-vegan kind of um yeah presents to the audience you know people who are already involved and what this means for them how meaningful it means how many employees for them and then the ah different ideologies they have and they which they believe in so um it didn't just draw a panel of appearances of maybe only red um just no if you look at the best different personals there there's a chair and
00:56:53
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There's um others who are in different palm fields, some involved in climate change, ecological, some involved in that ecological projects, some are also involved in some products. So they all gonna come with different ideologies and whatever motivates them and then in whatever sector of advocacy which they could be partaking in.
00:57:20
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Yeah, no, it it looks really exciting. And I will say, I mean, I've only seen the trailer, but like the quality of footage looks really, really excellent to really well produced by the look of it too. So we will, like as, as freedom says, the, uh, the debut screening has happened just a couple of days ago as we were in fact, that's weird. Thursday, January the 20th.
00:57:46
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That's surely not an actual day. That that doesn't make sense because today's Friday the 23rd. Anyway, it's been screened recently um and we can expect more screenings coming soon as well as perhaps streaming options. So we'll keep you up to date listeners as to when you can watch that. And thank you, Freedom, for your comments on that.
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com Okay, we've got time for one last story from this week's news. This comes to us from Dogs Today magazine. No, I've not made that up. That is a real publication. The headline, charities launch new animal welfare evidence centre.
00:59:20
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Yes, it seems like there's going to be an actual place, an Animal Welfare Evidence Centre, an initiative designed to strengthen research into the causes of cruelty and neglect and improve understanding of the UK's relationship with animals. We might be tempted to think as vegans, well, we know all the answers, it's speciesism and to improve understanding why you just all go vegan. But it's probably... more complex than that and indeed the RSPCA, Compassion in World Farming, 4 Paws UK and Humane World for Animals UK they're all collaborating on this bringing together experts from across the sector and the centre aims to provide robust research to support more effective animal welfare policy and practice
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Paul, we could delve into the article even more, but we're just going to quickly breeze across this one. You've had quite an involvement with your local RSPCA centre in the past. What was your initial response to seeing this news?
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Yeah, I think this is more of an sort of ah RSPCA national organisation, which of course is an entirely different charity. The main thing I took from this was it's a positive story. I think this moved by what are certainly in the RSPCA some bigger charities to create a a shared organization that other charities can tap into as well and use those resources can only be a positive thing. And I think that hopefully with some of the kudos that some of these organizations comes with, there's different views about the RSPCA, obviously we've discussed on the show, but they will carry weight with policy and government, which you know is one of the fronts that we need to fight for in terms of making a better world for animals. Yeah, yeah can I can definitely see your argument that actually if if one organisation gets in touch with the government, then that they may listen, ah depending on the organisation. But actually, if there's a if there's a group of you getting in touch, we've we've often seen this, haven't we? You know, big letters signed by 300 organisations or individuals. it can It can make a difference, can't Yeah.
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Kate, I mentioned at the top there that actually is as vegans we might see ourselves as sort of enlightened and we we have the answers to this. that Like when when you see this news of this project, do you think, well, what a waste of time and money like it's it's quite straightforward or or do you do you think this could make some positive changes? ah Yes. i did Well, yes to the first bit, because i just get so frustrated. ah RSPCI had a quick look at their their site and it's still just welfare, welfare, welfare, as far as farmed animals are concerned. We know an awful lot already. when i know i know you need the odd study here and there in order to, inverted commas, prove certain things.
01:02:20
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But honestly, we know so much. And the the worst treatment, the most of animals that are suffering are in farmed animals sector. And really, to me, the money would be far better spent in scrapping factory farming, investing in fermented meat, dairy, and all the rest of it.
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And that is my take. i hope I hope good things come from this, but I just find it, it's kind of, for me, the big the bigger picture. That's my cynical me, I'm afraid. I mean, as I said, we are taking this from Dogs Today magazine. And so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that the two pictures in the article are of dogs. And maybe that coloured my reading of this. Because when you mentioned farming, I was thinking, oh well, I thought this was just about companion animals. But actually, when you read the text, it doesn't necessarily say his companion animal specific. so So then, yeah, researching into why why do we abuse animals? Why do we hurt animals? Yeah. like In a sense, the answer is just, well, because lots of people think that it's okay to eat them. That's kind of it the at the core of these things. But I'm ah ah being a bit hypocritical here or contradictory because not so long ago, a few minutes ago, I was saying I want more research on human behavior and why we do certain things. So...
01:03:46
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Yeah, I perhaps need to be careful. um Freedom, if I can come to you to finish, I know at the very end of the article, it says that RSPCA is currently recruiting a chief of research to lead the work of the Animal Welfare Evidence Centre.
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I'm wondering, like, do you think, i'm I'm asking a bit tongue in cheek, but I'm serious as well, like, from your point of view as a vegan, do you think you could stomach doing research like this, like working out, like, what is it that's, that's leading people to, to do these things to animals? Or would would it be a bit too of a sensitive area? If it's contributing positively to the vegan community, it has to be something to do. you know yeah For me, if it's something that's gonna change the different perspective and the world has at the moment about veganism, it's something I can do as well you know to investigate and know why all these issues.
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