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OPE Season 3 Episode 19 No Leap Zone
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! On this episode we look at the good, bad and ugly of the Packers victory over the Houston Texans!
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:29
Speaker
Aloha.
Game Recap: Packers Win Against Texans
00:00:30
Speaker
Welcome back to another episode of the AHANA Packers Edition podcast. The podcast where we're recapping a massive win by the Packers who overcame themselves and themselves to beat the Texans today, 24 to 22. Joe, I don't know if I, I, ah yeah, I don't know who on the Packers still has feet to be shot off at this point, but a win is a win is a win. That was literally the definition of today's game.
00:01:00
Speaker
Well, you said it they kept shooting themselves in the foot for, you know, this Texans team had a lot of people worried because of how good they can be. But really, the only reason they scored points was because of mistakes by the Packers themselves.
Analyzing Packers' Mistakes: A 'Good Bad Team'?
00:01:19
Speaker
So just and just like the equally bad mistakes in the first half, like and there so the first half, of it was like Well, and we'll get into the good on our good, bad and ugly. But yeah, just a quick recap. The first half was just like in inconceivable mistakes. know, the we'll get into it and the interceptions and stuff, but two interceptions by Jordan.
00:01:42
Speaker
then just a total brain-dead punt return sequence that, like you said, it gifted the Texans, you know, 16 other points and stuff, so... Can't keep continuing to happen, but...
00:01:58
Speaker
I tweeted it after the game like I'm still you know seven games into the season I'm still not sure if right now this team is a bad good team or a good bad team and know some people are like what the fuck does that mean but like you know I do think they swing to being more of a bad good team which means that at their core they're a good team but what makes them bad is they keep making mistakes keep having too many penalties and stuff like that but i do think they're more on that side than you know a a wolf in sheep's clothing which is what a good bad team is where it's like you know it's the whole like
00:02:32
Speaker
that bad boyfriend that does enough good things that makes you keep coming back to him kind of thing. Like the 2022 team, you know, to start off the season, I raised a similar question and then you kind of saw the House of Cards fall apart the middle of October on that squad. so You know, as much as some people might say, like, you know, how much of it is real and not. I think one of the good things you have to talk about this team is they have outside of the game against Minnesota and Philadelphia where they really just dug themselves too big of a hole and in each, you know, to different degrees in each game. But.
Packers' Season Standing in NFC North
00:03:05
Speaker
This team has found ways to win and they found many different ways to win, much more stressful than they probably should be but they're five and two and forget how should I lost the tweet but this is the first time that there are three games over 500 this early in the season since or in any season I should say, since the end of the 2021 season so you know, despite all the, but you know, the clenching, the hand wringing, it's a good spot for the team to be in. And what was a pretty, you know, I don't want to say daunting part of the schedule, but, you know, going into it, it's kind of like, okay, like you expect them to win a bunch of these, but also some of these are kind of coin flippy. And so it's good to see them standing five and two and in the thick of the race of what's been a really competitive NFC North so far this season.
00:03:54
Speaker
Well, like I said, when we were doing our prediction for the season, you know, there were half a dozen of games that we were like, I'm not sure about this one. And the Houston game was that because.
Texans: Potential Threats and Mistakes
00:04:11
Speaker
We knew CJ Stroud was an up and coming. We knew D'Amico Ryans was going to have the defense on top. We knew that they have weapons on offense. We you know we knew that they had all this stuff, so it was going to be a rough game. But again, if they wouldn't have shot themselves in the foot,
00:04:34
Speaker
and a few different times. This game could have been a completely different one.
Romeo Dobbs: Emerging Star Receiver
00:04:39
Speaker
I mean, yeah, they're I mean, let's just go ahead and get in a good bad ugly. the We're dancing around it too much. So good. You can go first. What's your what's your first good point for the game?
00:04:55
Speaker
Romeo Dobbs, I think last week was his reawakening this week. It was And I think everybody with a brain knew that could see that even in throughout last year that Jordan preferred Dobbs because he was always his his go-to guy his his guy that If I can't find this read, I can't find this read. I just, I'm going to throw it to Romeo and Romeo is going to get it. And, you know, eight catches on 10 targets for 94 yards. He sadly couldn't get the touchdown, but you know, it is what it is on that. But to come off of, this is week two after the
00:05:43
Speaker
the quote-unquote drama which I still believe is not actually drama temper tantrums or anything like that you know and he's thriving now today was a little bit different than last week where he actually seemed Upbeat more, you know, more so than last week where he, he seemed more demure and laid back and, and kind of melancholy in a way, but this week he, he was aggressive. He was outgoing. He was, you know, everything you want and, and not to drag up the controversy again, but you know, everything you want in a number one receiver.
00:06:25
Speaker
And I always said when that draft happened and they took Watson in the second and they drafted Romeo in the fourth, I said, Watson is your flashy. Dobbs is going to be your your blue collar because Dobbs is going to be the one that goes out there and just works his ass off to make plays, whereas Watson is the guy that you're going to throw deep, you're going to, you know, crisscross him, you're going to do all this stuff with him because he's got the athletic profile. I even away and and this is very loosely because I don't like making comparisons and anybody who's ever listened to me for a long ass time knows I don't make comparisons very often.
00:07:17
Speaker
But I said when he was drafted that Romeo reminded me a lot of of Devontae and just because he he was more the route runner, he you know he wasn't a speed guy. He was the route runner. He was the guy you know the guy that was going to work his way open more than speed his way open. And he was going to catch pretty much anything that was going to be thrown towards his way. And he's doing it and a little bit quicker than what Devontae did.
00:07:48
Speaker
you know We all remember the Devante down years because you know the people wanting Jeff Janis over Devante and Cut and Devante and all that. We didn't really have that with Dobbs. Dobbs stepped in. Day one started making plays.
00:08:05
Speaker
year two really stepped into it. You know, again, he was on a learning curve just because of having love as as, as a first time starter, but now year three, you know, if you believe what I've always said with the, the rule of three, this is a third year. This is the year that he's really taken that step towards being something in the league. So that's my long winded answer on my first good for the week. Yeah. So, and just to follow up on it, like.
00:08:36
Speaker
What today's game showed is what that you and I have both talked about where you can tell Dobbs is the guy that he looks for when it's like chips are down kind of moment in the game.
00:08:50
Speaker
all like All of his catches were big catches today. I know they didn't all go for first downs, but, uh, shoot, the page I'm on, of course. you know, it felt like his first four catches, all oh yeah, there he is. Eight catches, six first downs, and then his last catch didn't get a first down, but it got them five yards closer to the field goal. So,
00:09:14
Speaker
you know in a In a game where every yard counted, it's just you needed all of them. And of his two misses, one of them was the one where the pass got tipped over his head. And then I'm just blanking on the other incompletion that was targeted at him. So just a really efficient day at the office for Dobbs. Yeah, like you said, it would have been nice if you either got a touchdown or got those six more yards to get over 100. But it's a really good day in the office for Dobbs today.
Packers' Defense Performance
00:09:42
Speaker
Another good, my good, it's going to be this defense and I know the Texans are missing Niko Collins and he is a massive part of what they do on offense because he's honestly a mix of Watson and Dobbs where He is their deep threat, but he also does a lot of, like you said about Dobbs, he's a blue collar guy, but he also just does a lot of more wide receiver stuff. He runs slants, runs digs, runs the timing routes, the multi moves. You know, as Watson, he's getting better at those things, but he's more your field tilter. And for the Texans not to have Collins, you can see it's, Stroud is struggling without him some, but
00:10:25
Speaker
Even with without him, I didn't think that we would hold Stroud under 50% passing and under 100 total 100 gross yards passing. Just you know, you can say whatever you want about this defense, and I think it was really good to see them have this kind of day without forcing any turnovers. The first game of the season that they didn't force a turnover. And I think it's really nice to see them have such a productive day.
00:10:54
Speaker
without The help, I don't know, you know what word you want to put with that, but you know, without relying on turnovers to get off the field, it was good to see them force multiple three and outs. The pass rush really played up today. I know this is leaking into like a difference, but you saw the pass rush play up, not just in the ship that Halfly called that was really masterful in terms of crafting up. You know, we talked about it where this Texans O-line, you can confuse them. You can mess up their pass, bro. The McKinney sack is because
00:11:26
Speaker
He stunts Gary over, so the tight end to the side that Gary and McKinney are on. He's looking inside and McKinney just runs right around for the free sack. And while you had those, you also had plays where it was just a straight four man rush and guys were getting pressure. Lucas, I thought had a, I know he had some missed tackles in the run game, but I thought he was creating a lot of good pressure off the edge against Tunsel, which is impressive for a second year player.
00:11:51
Speaker
So good day in the office for the pass rush. And then another great day from Halfly just schemed up, a called and schemed up a really good game. I thought he was a little loose with his coverage early in the game. It felt like that, that I think it was the third drive the Texans had where it felt like they moved ah ah the ball a little too easily.
00:12:14
Speaker
but after that he really just put the clamps in and I know some people are like oh like the Packers defense once again giving up the lead late in the game but I was like this one is different than like the Barry ones especially like the AF the NFC division game you know the but against the 49ers last year where like the offense moved the ball in that game and they scored in that game. This one, the offense didn't really do shit after putting up its 21st point on the game. And the defense was the one constantly giving them the ball gap back, giving them ball back. It was the offense that wasn't doing Jack squat with it. And so, and honestly, I was worried that, you know, when Stroud made that nice plate to roll out, break the pocket and convert that 13 11, I was like, Oh no, like,
00:13:00
Speaker
They're going to make enough plays and they're going to kick the ball with the clock expiring kind of thing. But even that situation, the defense was able to bow its back, show it had a spine and get a stop and get off the field and leave enough time for love to lead us down the field. So really, really good, really encouraging day from the defense so far.
Run Defense Concerns and Adjustments
00:13:22
Speaker
The only negative you could probably point to with this defense is the Joe Mixon, 25 carries, 115 yards, two touchdowns. And I know we should save part of this for our next episode because that's when we do our, do the segment, but I know you pointed it out in one of the group chats that we had and I saw it some other people were seeing it.
00:13:51
Speaker
The defense really took a slide. when Quay went out of the game. Now, the argument can be made, yeah, Eric Wilson made some plays, but think of about how he was doing it. It wasn't out in the open. it was you know They had him running downhill and making them the sack. He's a smaller guy. He's smaller than Quay, so he can he can fit those gaps a little bit better. i This is not to take away from Wilson. They were a hell of a place.
00:14:24
Speaker
but they did take a little bit of a slide towards after Kuei winning. That end of the second quarter. Whether it's they weren't getting those. Yeah, that end of the second quarter and when you could tell the defense was tired at the end of the fourth quarter, it was like there were points in the game where you're like, oh no, like they can't stop. they It was like, oh God, they just somehow can't stop the run at this point. And it's like you said, the the part that I just found really funny is it's like,
00:14:51
Speaker
None of the people who dog quay all the time were talking anything when the Packers couldn't stop the run worth a damn from the moment he got concussed to halftime. And then they started to make noise when, you know, when Wilson gets his two sacks, he has the pass deflection. Oh, like you said, nothing to take away from Wilson. When he was put in positions to make plays, he made plays. Then you have those those people thumping their chest out like he's playing better than then quay does blah, all that kind of crap.
00:15:22
Speaker
And then they all went silent. out And then they all went silent when they started giving up rush yards at the end of the game again. So it's like, which side of the fence are you going to sit on? But like you said, we'll, we can dive into that. Yeah, nothing to take away from Wilson. You know, when, when his number was called, he did make the plays that the team needed him to make. his pass rush was really good. You know, when, when he was lined up to get a hit, he had that one where he just depleted mix in on an inside run, but the Texans did adjust, you know, they started to, they weren't quite traps, but it almost looked like they were running trap runs and they caught Green Bay when we were slanting a little bit and stuff. So, it's, you know, we'll see where it goes from here. Certain people are gonna, and there are people who were saying like, you notice who left the game and the run defense got worse. And then, and then other people were like, Oh look, it's better now. So, so, you know,
00:16:20
Speaker
Some guys are just on hit lists at this point, and you know it's going to take them curing cancer for them to get off those lists. But overall, a good day for the defense. And as much as Mixon did gash us, he only was averaging 4.6 on the ground, which isn't great. But honestly, the way he was running at certain points in this game, you thought he was in the 6-plus yards per carry average and all. so Something to to work out, especially if Quake can't go in Jacksonville. But overall, like you hold you hold an NFL team under 200 total yards of offense. That's a really good day at the office, no matter what.
00:17:03
Speaker
Yeah. And it plays out for the week, kind of makes them wish that they wouldn't have kept Zane Anderson over Christian Welch, huh? There's a couple of those on this roster right now, but, yeah.
Defensive Scheme Shift Impact
00:17:15
Speaker
And I thought, to stay on the defense a little bit, thought the interior D-line guys were pretty active today. I thought Kenny had a really good game. he's starting to, I think what it is is like,
00:17:28
Speaker
He's played so long in the NFL as a two-gapping, you know, hold the point of attack, nose tackle, that this year Halfly's like, put it in forward and go upfield kind of thing and I think Kenny it took him a few weeks because he's like oh my god so much freedom I get to to jump a gap and go kind of thing and then you had so many plays where he's like oh like wait a minute there goes the running back kind of thing and he's kind of like oh no but like this week you saw him like he would get that step upfield throttle it in and then it's like okay like here's some tackles for loss and stuff so it was good to see that from Kenny and
00:18:04
Speaker
Hopefully they can get Wyatt back next week because that would be just a big shot in the arm for this front. I think we ams and that also failed to remember that these guys are getting used to a different scheme. So it always takes a little bit for them to get used to it. Uh, you know, Kenny's been in a three, four since college. UCLA tends to run a three, four, and that's what Kenny's been in.
00:18:29
Speaker
since college. And so, you know, and the big differences in a 4-3 is they get a little bit more freedom than they do in a 3-4. So he's got to change his mindset completely. But yeah, you know,
00:18:48
Speaker
Although I have to say TJ Slayton's best hit came when he was on the sideline. And that was there you know that was hilarious. throughou did that You know, if you're going to run into a guy on the sideline, I don't think I would pick see T.J. Slayton for anything. I know. And I saw some what's he doing there? It's like you're running into his sideline. Could T.J. have moved? Sure.
Sideline Stories and Fan Incidents
00:19:17
Speaker
But I do think that's as clean of a like sending a message play as you can get. Because you can kind of see T.J. did the slide like, oh, I'm watching the play on the the Jumbotron.
00:19:30
Speaker
oh there you are cj like it was pretty cool it was pretty pretty funny how he handled it and you see cj doing the like whoa like aren't you gonna flag that and it was and tj definitely did the like oh was someone there
00:19:48
Speaker
Brian, it wasn't even that bad of a hit and there was more CJ ran into TJ more than anything. And yeah, like you said, could Slayton have moved? Sure. But it's his sideline. Why, you know, why are you going to force, trust me, I'm, I'm a big guy. If I don't have to move, I'm not going to move. And you know, it's the same for Slayton, you know, I ain't going to move.
00:20:16
Speaker
the earth it have to be shaken for me to move so but what else continue on I uh
00:20:29
Speaker
The fan that stopped Joe Mixon from getting his Lambo leap. That, that had to have been some of the best defense that happened all day. Uh, and then I w I want to kind of add onto that, that I can't remember who it was that tweeted at the, or did an article on it saying that that fan would get it ejected. It's like, he didn't get ejected. Did you watch the end of the game where he's clearly in the picture of McManus and the team doing Lambo leaps?
00:20:59
Speaker
I think he's dead. I think he probably just did the like, oh no, go for it, go for it. No, no, go ahead. What were you gonna say? Oh, no, I just read I saw a tweet that said like oh if you read the article It does say that they like let him back in so I wonder if they did the like make sure he's not just pissed drunk and then they're like Okay, and maybe give him the stern like don't push another player again kind of thing and then okay go back to your seat I Know that I think
00:21:33
Speaker
but It was just kind of covering his ass on why that guy ended up there because they're they're pretty well If you're if you get ejected, there's no second chance to it. There's you're you're out They're pretty solid on that that Trust me. I remember going to the one and only time I went to family night I know this is this is gonna be story time with Joe but the one and only time I went to family night and ah We were in line to go into the stadium.
00:22:07
Speaker
Well, as everybody's lining up to get into the stadium, we get word that all their ticket scanners went down, the whole system went down. And so of course there's a mom, a dad, a grandma, and a couple of kids standing in front, a couple of people in front of me and the mom's just having a fit. Why can't we get in? Why aren't they letting us in? The practice starts at this time. Why aren't they letting us in? Blah, blah, blah. So I watch her.
00:22:38
Speaker
march all the way to the front of the line and you can see her having a fit with the ticket takers. Then she comes back and that's when she starts talking about how, oh, well, their system's down. Why don't they have a backup system? Why don't they do this? You know, they, we all got tickets. Why can't we just do this?
00:22:55
Speaker
So then she goes all the way back up front again, bitch and complain. And finally the ticket takers look at the cop that's standing with them and motion him over. And she starts going off on the cop and all of a sudden you just see her finger go right into the cop's chest.
00:23:10
Speaker
And immediately the cuffs come on and she was kicked out, of out before even actually going into the game. So yeah, or into the practice. So yeah, they're pretty strict. If you're out, you're out. There's no coming back in no matter what the excuse is. So I think it was just more that the writer of that article was just covering his ass on that.
00:23:35
Speaker
Now, could they have talked to him? Sure, they could have talked to him, but really, he didn't do overly much to, you know, it's not like he jumped on the field and started wailing on Mixon. I know they said he grabbed his face mask, but OK. Like, you know, and then I saw some tech like they poured beer on him and I'm like. Have you watched any other football games like they've there's definitely been worse ones than that, so.
00:24:04
Speaker
whatever it's it's whatever but like you said well done good sir like making sure and yeah like i put in another thread like let's not act like mixing deserves like the gold carpet in life or anything like that just have to read what he did when he was at Oklahoma. Like, I don't care what like shit. Yeah. So, another good one. i I guarantee that fan will never have to buy a beer in the state of Wisconsin again. Nope. Title Town will have his picture on the good side of things. So yeah. life Don't have to, he's knighted. He is knighted, but,
00:24:41
Speaker
On the good side of things, we'll get into the bad side, but the good side of things, jordan the Jordan love bounce back effect continues to be strong when he makes dumb decisions on the field.
Jordan Love's Bounce Back and Improvements
00:24:51
Speaker
He does come back and make up for it really quickly. And you know, like that's the thing is for, you know, near his interceptions were up to just like horrible, horrible type today. Like they weren't great, but they're coachable. And,
00:25:10
Speaker
The big thing is that, you know, like the touchdown to craft, what is that? That's him from the ball with pace and velocity over the middle of the field. Is it a little bit of a force? Sure. But you've got to, you know, whereas Aaron was like trying to be a surgeon with the football, love is a little bit of the, you can't more of the, you can't make money without risking money of, um, of my mental process and,
00:25:35
Speaker
I think that the main thing is, you see the like short term memory and I know some people are like, Oh, he's going to just make the same mistake, but he's two interceptions today. Weren't the same interception. And yeah obviously you want to see that cleaned up. You don't want to see him continue this streak of whatever straight games with an interception. But, it's good to see that when chips are down, he bounces back. And I think this is his like 12 straight game or not 12, but like,
00:26:02
Speaker
It's somewhere in the vicinity of like 10th with like two touchdown passes or whatever in a row and stuff. So, and 200 passes, so you know, whatever those random yeah ESPN stats are, but it's an impressive st street to keep going on a day where the offense was choppy. So good to see love, like continue to just shovel for and di despite whatever's happening around him.
00:26:23
Speaker
My last, could it have to be Josh Jacobs finally got his first receiving touchdown. That's the and the only comment I have on that sequence is so the floor calls up this brilliant screenplay ad. Who's our who's our commentary today? Was it? Oh, yeah, Roma and that's and Roma like Roma hook was like lamenting that place so hard because he's like,
00:26:51
Speaker
like that's a walking touchdown if Settle isn't there that's a he's like there is nobody touching him blah blah blah and then the very next play it's that you know the they leak they leak Sean Ryan out into the flat and it's that little like kind of swing screenplay and then I was kind of laughing because I was like They, I, there was a bit of like, LaFleur's like, we are this close, we are getting him that receiving touchdown. Even if we have to go for it on fourth and goal kind of thing. It's not that I was just like, they're just going to keep pumping balls to him at this point. And it was just good that they got the touchdown on second down on that one. But yeah, you could just kind of feel it. Like the LaFleur kind of just putting his foot in the ground and saying, we're getting this over with at this point.
00:27:36
Speaker
Well, this isn't the first time this year that they've forced that issue that they were, cause I want to say it was either during, I want to say it was during the Minnesota game that I remember a sequence where they kept trying to get it to Jacob's and on a pass to get him the touchdown. So no matter what they say at the press conference in that they are definitely trying to do it. Now let's just hope it doesn't take as long to get his next one as it did the first one. So.
00:28:07
Speaker
But it was ah ah it was a good play. like you know Like we said, they were pretty much trying to get it to happen. It's still hard to believe that he's in year, whatever it is, and he still had this is his first one. Yeah, five or six, I know. it I can't remember if they declined his fifth year option or if they picked up his fifth year option, but it's hard to imagine that because
00:28:40
Speaker
unless you're a scrub of a running back, you at least have, you know, one in your career. But that just goes to show how bad of a team the Raiders have been. And how? Yeah, so it's good to see. So that's definitely ah that's that's definitely a good. And then,
00:29:04
Speaker
Dan Whelan continues to just be the shining star of the special teams. Like, even on the game-winning kick, he again for the gazillionth time bailed Matt Orzak out again. And, like, and Romo, like, Romo said it so loud, he's like, it's or no, dance was like, oh, it's not a good snap. But Whelan gets it down. And then when they show that when they go over it on the replay, Romo is just like gushing. He's like, he's like, that's not an easy snap to catch. And he gets it down and doesn't disrupt McManus and all that kind of stuff. And those punts that he was hitting because he was punting out of his end zone for what felt like a whole quarter of the game and kept flipping the field position, he almost got
00:29:51
Speaker
Desmond King, but you know, Desmond King went to Iowa, so he's smarter than Jalen Naylor. And he didn't he didn't do what Naylor did three weeks ago and try to field one that was like two feet over and behind his head. But he he saw it you saw him at the last moment be like, oh, no, it's still going. And he like and pulled his hands down at the very last moment. But Whelan just was launching some rockets off of his right foot today. And like I said,
00:30:19
Speaker
save the day getting that football down for McManus on the game winning field goal. So that's my third good for the game is. The rest of the the rest of special teams might be shit, but we have a punter who can also hold for field goals.
00:30:35
Speaker
I think he definitely needs the nickname of like Celtic Cannon. I think we just call him that from now on is the Celtic Cannon. You got to go copyright that already. But yeah,
00:30:48
Speaker
there's There's not much more I can add to it. He's been an absolute boon. It's hard to believe that we've had a hard time getting punters and kickers. And now we've at least got a punter.
00:31:01
Speaker
All right. Let's get into the bad. So, My bad for, my first bad is, I didn't care for Lafleur's play calling for we really most of the second half of this game. Like getting them down the field coming out of, you know, on out of halftime, you know, they get the three and out, force a punt, get the ball back, and then go right down the field and score the the lead taking touchdown. And, you know, Romo was the whole like,
00:31:32
Speaker
third quarter he was or like going into it going into halftime coming out of halftime all he was doing is like this is the best second half team this is the best second half team blah blah blah and as a Packer fan you did kind of feel like oh like they stuffed them again And then they went right down the field and scored you're like this is it They're gonna they're gonna they might put 40 up today because they they've got their shit together They the thing is ready to go and then like the the next drive you have that I think it was the next drive you have that sequence where it's like run run and then on third in one it's like Let's can to a jet sweep and okay at that point you had run two jet sweeps for a net negative yardage and And it's like, at that point, you've got to kind of have it in your head like, maybe it's not the day for that. And I know that part of it is like, the Texans are missing, you know, key players all over their defense, but it's like, the one thing that D'Amico has them is they're a very disciplined unit. It doesn't, and as today shows, it doesn't matter what 11 guys they have out there, all the window, all the misdirection ship, it wasn't working. The way that you beat them was you just
00:32:43
Speaker
You just told Jacobs you told Wilson who didn't have a great day, but just told him pop it into full-wheel drive and go forward kind of thing and I Think the floor got a little too cute with those and I know it's only three plays but those were all three very key plays because Watson's negative yardage one that killed the drive obviously the read one that you know that was on third down and that killed the drive and then the the Melton one and I don't remember exactly which drive that was on, but it you know youd lose yards on a play. I don't know what they were really trying to accomplish there. And then it just felt like they were so disjointed in the second half. And I know part of that is not being able to sustain drives, but also
00:33:32
Speaker
It kind of felt like Leflore was doing more prodding and like experimenting than at that point just sticking to what was really working earlier in the game. so ah ah Like I said, it was like a B-, minus maybe a C+, if I'm really grouchy about it, but it wasn't Leflore's greatest day at the office today.
00:33:52
Speaker
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that. And I'm going to add on to yours with mine. And that's the opposite end of Jordan Love. We had the good part of it where yeah, he had the touchdowns, he had the yards, he had the, the, you know, the ability to the short term memory and stuff like that. But to
00:34:18
Speaker
some of the throws he was making definitely the two interceptions are are kind on him. The even though the Tucker ball was touched down was an amazing throw that was also inches away from being an interception. So
00:34:44
Speaker
He's got to clean some of that up. Yeah. I understand that he's never going to be a Rogers and you can't expect him to be a Rogers, but I also don't want to farve and because far have had too many of the, the heart attack moments. And I don't want to live and die by 50 50 50. You know, is it going to be intercepted? Is it going to be a touchdown? Is it going to be intercepted? Is it going to be a touchdown?
00:35:13
Speaker
So that I would have to say is a bad. Yeah, it didn't bite him in the butt too much today. but it did still cost some points because of the mistakes he made. Yeah, obviously the one intercept and you can't. Oh, I was just going to finish the one intercept and you can't 100% keep on him because it bounced off one guy bounced off a second guy and went into the the third guy's hands. But
00:35:46
Speaker
You got a question is does that throw will get made or does he look for a different outlet? So yeah, yeah so la just On two interceptions there. The main thing is like I said, so in the good side He's not making the same mistake on both of those. So the first one Jalen Petrie beats him into that throw and But my take on it, and this is going off of Rob Damaski always posts those like, you know, those 11 or the 22 man dot the the player tracker thing. And if you watch the tracker one for his first interception, my only critique on it is Petrie Presnap is playing, he's shaded so far inside off of Dobbs that it's like, you have to look at that and think,
00:36:33
Speaker
either he can't cover dobs or he's playing games with you where he's not you know he's gonna do something where he's expecting you to be throwing the inside out the inside the number three wide receiver out because if you just look at alignment he's not inside shoulder of dobs he's like a full player over from inside shoulder of dobs and so to me that's one where you look at it you can kind of bluff call it because if you bluff snap it Petri might you know he might shift over in front of Dobbs or he might step to do what he ended up doing on the play so to me that's one of those words like side adjustment before the snap look at Dobbs first and then you can still you know if
00:37:15
Speaker
Petri does buzz underneath the outside what the outside the of Dobbs' route, then you can come back to Wix and throw the and he's not going to be there to disrupt that pass. And the second one, there's edge pressure and Love feels it a little more than he probably should. And to me, that's one of those where it's not a full-on excuse because you know you still got to be able to make throws under pressure but also you can definitely tell the pressure affected that throw on the second interception but like you said that's for tape that's something to improve on i thought that he had room to fade to his left and step into that throw a little better than he did whereas
00:37:59
Speaker
He kind of just kept rolling. You know, he kept moving backwards in the pocket. Whereas if he's going to his left, you know, not even like running to his left, but just drifted to his left, he's more in rhythm when he steps that way. And then that throw is at least down and you know, maybe it comes up short to Watson, but it's safe.
00:38:16
Speaker
That way because it's short. It's it's down and outside where the you know It's it's not the guy covering Watson. It's the safety coming from death We we ragged on Caitlin Bullitt going into this game But that is the one thing that he's good at is coming from depth when he identifies a bad throw and getting his he has really good ball skills So you you went into the Lions then and you got eaten on that one So like you said got to be better about that My second bad is going to be, oh yeah, go for it. No, I was just going to say, I wanted to, I saw something on Twitter. I don't know how true it is, but if it, and I, like I said, I don't know how true it is. I don't know if they did the math writer or whatever, but if he continues on this pace, he's on pace for like 51 touchdowns and 27 interceptions. Hold on. Let's just check the thing.
00:39:11
Speaker
I think the, I think the touchdowns is a little too, I think they're going just off of, cause yeah, it's weird because, you have to multiply it by, cause he's only played five games. Yeah, that might be right. Actually, hold on. Let me get, get my phone out. You talk. I'm going to do some math. I don't know how right it is, but I'm pretty sure.
00:39:35
Speaker
I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet that somebody had post and I don't remember who it was. So they could have just pulled numbers out of thin air, but it said that he was on pace for 51 touchdowns and 27 interceptions. Well, there is no way I want to see 27 interceptions in a frigging game. So, I mean, in a, in a year. Yeah, I think they, I think they went a little high on it. So he's at 15 and eight right now. I think, think it totaled it up.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah. So it did total it up already. So he's played five games. He's going to play in 15 total in the regular season. So he would be at 45 touchdowns and 24 interceptions.
00:40:17
Speaker
i and Are you really going to want to sit through a season and 24 interceptions? Nope. Like you said, got to be better. Got to be better.
00:40:29
Speaker
He does. He's got to clean it up a little bit. And that's not to say he's a bad quarterback. That's not to say anything like that. It's just, he's still growing, even though he's been in the league a long time. We also got to remember this is only a second year starting. He's missed a couple of games already. He had, he might as well have missed the first game just because of how shitty that first game was and, you know, go from there. So.
00:40:55
Speaker
You know, he's going to continue to grow, but he's just got Tom Clements has got to get in there and say, Jordan, bad. Yep. Just like you said, it's, it's not like it's the kind where he's dropping back to pass and he's throwing it right in the chest of a linebacker. I know he did that like, you know, earlier in the season, but it is more the like it's.
00:41:21
Speaker
dialing it in. It's the finer tuning being a little bit more crisp in his dropbacks. like I said, being a little more, um, intuitive or, but you know, big picture aspect on his pre-snap reads and things like that. So, it's, it's almost there. It's, it's really close like it. Yeah. So we're trending in the right direction. My other bad for today is just tackling and,
00:41:45
Speaker
as much as, you know, we want to ignite the like quay or not war. Really what it came down to in the run defense today is they just couldn't tackle worth a shit for the second quarter. And then the like last part of the fourth quarter, like I said, I thought Lucas had a good game rushing the passer, but he had, he could have had like five tackles for loss today. and like, as and you know, I do think that's a function of like,
00:42:12
Speaker
you're back to playing down and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And the angles are a little different from how you're playing in Barry's defense like defense last year. Just got to get back to the fundamentals. Take your time with Lucas, but he's not the only one. Like I know I just pointed it out because a lot of people are like, Oh my God, it was look but it was like, Lucas would miss it. And then two guys would take bad angles and then Nixon's out the backside of the play kind of thing and stuff. And, it's just,
00:42:41
Speaker
They, they go through these periods where they're one of the better tackling teams. And then you, they go through like a drive or two where you're like, do you guys remember that you have arms attached to your shoulders? And it's like, just do the fundamental shit because if they tackle even average instead of bad on those bad drives where mixing got most of his yards.
00:43:05
Speaker
The Texans might not have broached 150 total yards of offense, which is just wild to think about on a day where, like I said, your offense really scored about, I don't want to say half, but like it scored half as often as it should have, you know, just not necessarily they would have scored four more touchdowns or three more touchdowns and another field goal. But you figure with how well they did move the ball at certain times, they should have scored two to three more times at minimum.
00:43:35
Speaker
But for that not to happen and your defensive, like I said, be constantly in situations where your punter just punted out of your own end zone. You just clean up the tackling and that defensive performance becomes that much better. So it's bad, but again, fixable.
00:43:53
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the good thing about these, the bad says most of them are fixable. And, you know, it just, it it takes a little bit of time. It takes a little bit of work, but it is possible for them to fix it up. Uh, want to just get into ugly at this point. or you gotten I know. I'm thinking that my stuff left is ugly. life this point Yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker
So the last, I can combine my two and that goes back, well, I guess technically three, and that goes to the special teams plays. They let Pierce have a pretty decent run, the Valentine running into the ball, the, the bad snap by Orzic, you know,
00:44:43
Speaker
Luckily, McManus has been around long enough that it didn't affect him too much and Whelan was able to wrangle him. But that also goes back to the issues with Anders and Narveson is how much of it was the process more than the actual kicker. And so, but the Ballantine, he just, he he didn't track the ball. He wasn't aware of where the ball was going.
00:45:13
Speaker
That's something you got to be if you're going to be on special or got to have when you're on special teams as Awareness for things now, obviously you can't be watching the ball the whole time. You're running down the field, but you at least need to know Have a feel of where it is also maybe that should have been something for Jayden to have fair caught and actually secured the ball instead of letting it bounce and I didn't pay attention too closely to the situation. So I don't know if it was just too late in the game to be calling him a fair catch. So or was it was it Jaden or was it Nixon? That was Nixon. So that one that one I have in my ugly because that's just and yeah, so we'll we'll just we'll just both talk about this because we're talking about the same thing to some extent. But so that's an ugly on Nixon for me because, OK,
00:46:08
Speaker
You're right that Valentine needs to have a little bit of little bit more um awareness. eye but okay the reason i put that solely on nixon is because the other gunner from the other side of the field then that you know that was across the field from valentine he's right behind valentine when valentine touches the ball so to me first off like you said nixon's got to catch that ball the sun the sun was behind him on that play he's looking away from the sun catch the fucking ball you are he already called for a fair catch and
00:46:41
Speaker
inexplicably, he's like, no, I'm not going to catch it. And then you can tell he didn't call off ballot. You know, some people were saying like, Valentine's, got but I'm like, I don't think Nixon called him off. And, you know, some people are and they're OK, like.
00:46:58
Speaker
And you've got to be overly demonstrative as the returner, whether it's the double point, whether it's waving your hands like this, like, and you're yelling the whole time, like nixon whatever it was Nixon did not do now. Cause like I said, it would be on, I would be more swayed to being on Valentine if nobody else was there, but him and Nixon. But the fact that the other gunner from the other side of the field was also there tells me that Nixon didn't do enough to wave him off and that's why Valentine's kind of like what you didn't like you can kind of see it when he I think he hears the ball hit the turf when it initially bounces and that's why he kind of like you kind of looks at Nixon then he turns around then he's like you can almost like see his brain going wait he didn't catch it then by the time that he realizes something's up it's hitting his leg and you're just kind of like fuck and stuff but it
00:47:51
Speaker
It's ugly to me because Nixon botched that on two different fronts. Like I said, first off, that's all avoided if you just catch the fucking punt. And second off, if you're gonna, for whatever friggin reason, he decided not to field it. make Even if you got a tactical Valentine and the other gunner, make sure they're not there. But yeah, it was just an inexplicably long day at the Office for Specialty.
00:48:20
Speaker
I put the, Pierce return in ugly too, because it was like they lost lane integrity because one guy hit Pierce and then they were like, Oh, like please kind of over. And then like Pierce is like, Oh, half of the the guys all to my left stopped running. I'm going to keep running. And luckily Valentine and Valentine were able to escort him out of bounds and shit. So
00:48:43
Speaker
It doesn't look good for Basaccia because it's not even like, you know, he's not being creative or he's not, it's the, again, just like tackling, it's the base fundamentals. But the guys that were fucking up today are like your guy, like Nixon is like his dude from Oakland or from the Raiders.
00:49:04
Speaker
read you know like one of the reasons nixon was even out there is that read okay and so some people were like oh he called for a fair catch inside the 10 to me i think it's inside the five is where like the no-go zone is nowadays which reed subsequently did the punt after the nixon muff or the the nixon no field punt but like you know some people are like why is he fair catching it at the eight i was like wheeling showed you he's so good that you know he can get that thing to bounce and you you gotta feel that because you don't want to risk having it kick up and you end up on the two yard line kind of thing and stuff but i just feel like
00:49:44
Speaker
Bisachia is like searching. And instead of being the man with the plan, it feels like he's kind of just taking shots in the dark and his unit is reacting in it in step with that. And we've seen this unit do solid to good things here and there, but all the mistakes are piling up and it is a little bit of that office space being where it's like, what is it you do here?
00:50:12
Speaker
And it's unfortunate because the guys obviously believe in him. They all play really hard for him. But the amount of mental mistakes that this unit makes is just, it's not good. It's flabbergasting and it's bad. It's ugly. It's ugly. So that's where I stand on that side of it. But, yeah, what else stood out is ugly to you today.
00:50:34
Speaker
Well, I just want to touch back with it. The only, and this isn't kind and really making an excuse for Nixon. It just, it's a thought that happened when you were explaining things. I know some of these kickers, you know, like Whelan can do it and and, or these punters can do it. Uh, Tori Taylor was notorious for it at Iowa. And that's another reason why I hated seeing him, seeing him go to the Bears.
00:50:58
Speaker
but they can kick it where it puts a weird knuckle where it's hard for the returner to make that, you know, determine where he's going to make that catch.
00:51:11
Speaker
so The only thing that I can think of with Nixon was when it was coming down, he was so unsure of he if he was going to be able to field it cleanly. the he was But that goes back to your point, you know, he should have been more active and waving others off and But I don't put it solely on him because like I said that also lends to okay Well your gunners need to have a little bit more awareness of where the ball is Because if you're not even sure if your guy caught it or not that tells me you're not aware of what's going on so
00:51:50
Speaker
You know, like I said, that doesn't make any excuses. It's a complete ugly thing. All the special teams really had. Again, I go back to the or sick, you know, was Anders the problem was nervous in the problem, or was it the beginning of the process? That was the problem.
00:52:10
Speaker
i Don't know what the final total was Let's see if I can pull it up real quick Because I know Anders was playing for the 49ers today, and I know he he was doing pretty good, but then I caught that he missed a
00:52:34
Speaker
A PAT.
00:52:37
Speaker
Let's see. I know this is so riveting. Two for two, long of 50, but he did miss the one extra point. So I mean, or long of 55, sorry. So, you know, like I said, does...
00:52:56
Speaker
Can you blame the kicker completely? Obviously he's got to learn to adjust for it. Or is there an issue with the whole process? It can be wheeling wheeling has been frigging magic. They're trying to wheel in some of his, fri these frigging, uh, long snaps. So that's another area where you got to kind of question the Satya's decision-making because you got to believe or sick is another one of his guys.
00:53:24
Speaker
So, you know, what's going on there? As for another ugly, I really don't have anything. oh Maybe Stefan digs. but No, that's just stupid.
00:53:39
Speaker
yeah you You make all of that woofing and then you're like, okay, I know he had the one dig that he caught. That was like a decent game, but really the most impactful p play he had all game was, yeah, five receptions for 23 yards, a long of 17. So that means you had four catches for six yards. Well done, dude. Well done. Um, and his, I thought the biggest impact play he had was aren drawing it after the game. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's just, he's just a head case. Like, you know,
00:54:11
Speaker
And the and that the the more like the younger player that I liken it to is so like, you know, there was the whole like Packers fucked up. They should have drafted ah George Pickens and, you know, like that, you know, they set back the roster by not picking Pickens and stuff. I'm like, OK, you know, everyone makes so much out of the Dobbs thing and all that kind of stuff and blah, blah, blah. Pickens has numerous times made, you know,
00:54:36
Speaker
like I don't know the guy, I don't know the full situation, but I've seen Pittsburgh writers say like, he's made it about himself kind of thing. And, uh, you know, he does like, that was one of the red flags coming out of college for him. And you saw multiple writers say like the Packers would never touch a guy like that. And it's like, yeah, the production is great, but it's like, but what else is happening behind the scenes? And like, you know, in terms of where Pickens stands with Pittsburgh, he is like the guy in the wide receiver room. they You know, they have other players there, but it's Pickens and then there's a drop off to the next guy. Whereas
00:55:14
Speaker
Here it's like, you know, and like I said, like stupid people made this stupid comment about Dobbs where it's like, and like he's the fourth or fifth receiver on this roster. Who's he to make complaints? But like we, you and I have been saying is like, who's the guy that love is like, if I put this up, he's going to catch it. It's Dobbs. And so all that to say, like Diggs is of the same tree where it's like, it's about the show instead of winning the game kind of thing. And,
00:55:43
Speaker
I'm just glad that for the most part the peckers shoved him in a locker and didn't let him get out and you know yeah like I said I thought I put that more in stupid than ugly I I don't care like he can say whatever the fuck he wants this scoreboard like you guys didn't win the game and you had a running backs worth of production as a receiver well done Stefan Diggs you dumbass
00:56:07
Speaker
but the only other ugly I had was this ref crew was just um I don't say they were dumb but they were like they were like very oblivious to how Houston's O-line gets off the ball and so I know a lot of people you know Bears fans, Vikings fans complain about how like Balaga and Bakhtiari would like move before the ball was snapped and stuff like that. But you talk to all the old linemen. Wahl says it all the time. Joe Thomas says it all the time. Whitworth has even said it when he does Thursday Night Football now where the way the refs look at it is like
00:56:49
Speaker
they will give you the benefit of the doubt if you're moving as an aggressive movement close enough to the snap of the ball they are not gonna do unless you're like so obviously going into your drop before the ball is snap they're like it's like the play clock thing where it's like oh like I can't watch the ball or I can't watch the play clock and the quarterback snapping the ball at the same time. So if it's snapped and I if I look up and see zeros, but when I look down, it's snapped. It's like, oh, it was clean kind of thing. Same thing with the offensive tackle is it's like if he like gets in his stance, but the ball is like moving, it's like like it's clean kind of thing. Like, you know, we don't have comed we can we don't have chameleon eyes. We can't look in two different directions at once. But what the Texans were doing and
00:57:35
Speaker
like if you you don't even have to like have all 22 you just watch the broadcasting you just watch their o-line they're like leaning back like this on the snap of the ball and i think every one of those and lucas was the one that was freaking the fuck out because and he was right like even romo was like he's not wrong like the the one where he got called off sides on it's because tonsil is like this and he's like and that's the one that should be called every time because it's like you're not set so it whether you want to say it's a false start or illegal motion or whatever you can't get in your stance and then start to like like london bridge is falling down or something like that and the fact that the refs called it wrong three times on three different edge rushers i'm like come on dude like get your fucking head out of your ass and because i'm like
00:58:30
Speaker
that's one that you cannot miss because it's not the whole like, it's, you know, bang, bang, you know, that it's this slow progressive thing where it's like, you can't fucking miss that call. And for all the other like kind of tiki tack things that they called today, I was like, you keep messing that call up and you can. And like, that's, that's one of those were, I know some people are like, ooh, like,
00:58:58
Speaker
but I'm like that's one of those ones where like if it's replay you should be able to like be like no like he's moving early because you know it's that other guy who moved kind of thing and stuff so yeah that was one that it was just like okay so you're gonna do this all game and you're gonna let him get away with it all game and not you know, it wouldn't it wouldn't irritate me so much if it was just happening. And but the fact that you're calling us for the penalty, that's the part that I have an issue with is like, they're blatantly doing this thing. And then you're calling us for a penalty for reacting to them doing that thing. That's where I have a big issue with it. And it's just another bout of shitty refereeing work by the by the league.
00:59:41
Speaker
Yeah, although I do have to say there was a couple of times and I was watching highlights again before we recorded so I could refresh on some things. Uh, I do have to say there were a couple of times I'm glad they weren't paying attention because on a couple of snaps from Myers, he double clutch the ball where you could see it move And then he would come back up with it. So, you know, they could easily got him for false start on that. Uh, but I agree. You know, like he said, the one with Lucas was completely a joke because the guy was popping out. I don't think it was tonsil though. I think it was, Kenyan green.
01:00:25
Speaker
You're muted. so I'm assuming you agreed with me. Yeah, no, that's the one. Like I said, even Roma was like, he, like before they even made the call, he was like, this should be on the Texans because someone was moving early. And then Roma was like, you could hear the like disdain in his voice when they didn't call it. He was like, Oh,
01:00:45
Speaker
okay they're calling like you you heard that that that like very like yeah okay i guess it's on lucas like is but yeah he saw it all the way was the one interference call in the end zone the one that digs drew that even like
01:01:03
Speaker
Yeah. And Robo was like, that isn't really, there's nothing there. I mean, there was hand fighting, but they were within five yards of each other. And things was finding as much as within five yards. Yeah. And luckily they blew up the next two point conversion. I think it was Evan Williams that just smoked mix it in the backfield anyways. So it ended up being much ado about nothing, but yeah.
01:01:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And that can go to the good side. Evan Williams has really started popping out as a, as a player. So that's good to see. But, so yeah, but I mean, and I keep seeing to have to say this every week, it's just not Packers. Yeah. The reffing crews all over are getting nuts with stuff. I don't know if it's to the point where they're going to have to start doing what the MLB is doing where.
01:02:02
Speaker
They have, you know, I know they already have the New York crew and all that, but I don't know if they need to have them more involved in things because this is getting kind of ridiculous with a lot of the calls that are being made or not made. yeah No, go for it. Keep going. Yeah.
01:02:22
Speaker
No, that that's about all I, cause the only other thing that I can bring up is, and the only other thing that I can bring up is, and I don't even, my games are all, uh, running together. So my mind is mush.
01:02:35
Speaker
I think it was the Iowa game, not this weekend, but one of the Iowa games this year where the field goal was kicked and it went right over the upright and it should have been no good, but they couldn't review it because it's a non-reviewable play. would like I think, like, i I think it was this week because I saw it there. Someone wasn't we this weekend. I know it wasn't this weekend.
01:03:04
Speaker
Oh, okay. But I think it might have been last weekend. Yeah, because I think guys I forget. I think it was Bruce Feldman where it's like he kind of tweeted like, huh? And he like tweeted out what the ref said. And it was something like if the ball goes over the top of the not the crop, but over the top of the um upright, it like can't be determined. or something like that and and so like Felbin like he went on this like two or three tweet thread where he's like so if it does anything else we can look at it but because it did that like replay does it exist like like yeah so yeah yeah and I like we said leave that we cool no like they can't review that no they can't review that it's like
01:03:49
Speaker
then what's good? Right. And yeah, they keep in kind of what you're going back to about the New York reps where it's like they keep touting. This is the referee headquarters and we have 40 guys in this room watching 22 screens and there and I love the progress they've made so far with the like with assistance, changed it to a first downs with this with that. But there are so many times where one of the EMGO blog, one of these University of Michigan podcasts I listened to, they they have this joke where they're like, you can tell when like the referees, when they huddle, and you can tell like five of those six refs are like, that shouldn't be a penalty. We can pick it up, but Kyle over there is like, I'm calling this flag. like and
01:04:38
Speaker
There's so many of those moments where it's like, like you said, even if it is like DPI or something, like New York should like, and it looks so bad when you have the two, the play by play, the color commentator and the rules analyst all coming in and being like, I don't know what they're looking at there.
01:04:57
Speaker
but then yeah it's like New York should have the ability just be like come on guys like this is horrible like did did any of you really see this and stuff so yeah like it they've done a they they honestly have improved like the whole with assistance thing has made a lot of things better but they can still be so much better but we won't and you and I would try to be good about this where we only talk about the referees when it's a win because we don't want to be those people that are like it's all on the refs and not even if we lose a game we're never it's only the refs because it's it never is but especially when they win a game and something sticks out like a sore thumb it is one of those words like okay like you seriously gonna keep getting this wrong the whole game so but other than that like is out
01:05:51
Speaker
Go for it. And I won't call out reps if it's happening on both sides. But if it just seems like one side is consistently getting these horrible calls, then I'll say something about it. But if if they're evenly, you're going to have that. At least that's non bias and it's and's a little bit fair. But it looks like you're having fun over there with family. So we probably should wrap up here pretty quick. So like we said, big game for the Packers. you beat one of the teams like like we said Texans are having issues left and right you know with injuries Nico Collins out half their secondary out but this is still a marquee game on the schedule one of your you know an opponent that has Super Bowl aspirations like the Packers do not necessarily one of the front runners in their conference but
01:06:40
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is expected to go far in the playoffs and you won that game and it's super important because you keep you know you you moved out of the fourth position in the in the in the division uh because Chicago was idle this week and you got help from Detroit because Detroit knocked off Minnesota so you're just a game back from first place in the division and you know that Detroit game in a couple weeks that's going to be really tough but if you can win that you're kind of putting yourself potentially in a driver's seat position because you just keep you just got to keep stacking these wins and this was a big one and I know it took until the 11th hour to get this one but like we both said at the top as frustrating as this game to was to watch because of how sloppy they were at different points
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they still showed the maturity to find a way to pull this thing out and secure a W to keep pace in the NFC North. And that's what good teams do. So if you don't have anything more, we'll do our usual outro. Stop me if anything pops into your mind, because I know that's how things work when you get to our age. But check out our website, ohanapackers.org. Please check out our merch. I know Joe has been putting together some fun and really intricate designs on a bunch of things, support our two drives right now, cancer awareness and shoot we joke, we're trying to not get into NFL's crosshairs by saying their slogan. So military appreciation to keep those two drives going.
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It's victory well recording this Sunday, but this comes out on Tuesday enjoy victory Tuesday victory Sunday night Monday and Tuesday Packers are traveling to Jacksonville which under the previous couple regimes has been just a just a torture train bear for them. So hopefully the Packers get a win and you know, love can get the, the, get the team off to a good start in Jacksonville and get another win under their belt. But until then we'll have our preview episode coming out on Thursday. So until then go pack, go and Aloha.