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Midweek Crossover x Daily Arsenal
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This is your Midweek Crossover where we team up with Josh from the Daily Arsenal podcast to preview Wednesday night's clash at the Gtech. We discuss injury issues for both sides, hopes and expectations for this game and the season as a whole, and the returning David Raya.
Host: Daniel Toppin (Daily Brentford)
Josh Vince (Daily Arsenal)
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Crossover Episode with Brentford and Arsenal Podcast Hosts
00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to the listeners of both the Daily Brentford and the Daily Arsenal Podcast as we get together ahead of our meeting at the GTEC on Wednesday evening to complete the first round of Premier League Games this season. That means I am joined by Josh from the Daily Arsenal Podcast. How are we feeling ahead of it, mate?
00:00:29
Josh Vince - Arsenal
you know what? Not feeling too bad. it's been It's been a weird couple of months being an Arsenal fan. I imagine being a Brentford fan as well. it And the Christmas period is just so chaotic. so And it actually, do you know what? Looking at the fixtures, it's not going to get any calmer. So I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to New Year's Day sitting there very hungover watching a great game of football.
00:00:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah it's it's strange isn't it because um obviously most teams played on Boxing Day and again on Sunday whereas we've both Brentford and Arsenal have had a Friday game day after Boxing Day and then for some reason we're not playing until Wednesday. ah Unlike obviously most of the other teams in the league but No, it's a very good time of year, I guess, um unless all your players get injured.
00:01:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
We just happened to Brentford a couple of years in a row now around this time of year, but we'll come to that in a minute, I'm sure.
00:01:20
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Mm.
00:01:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:01:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
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How is Brentford Adapting Without Ivan Tony?
00:01:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
So let's get into it then. In part one of the podcast we hand over to our visitors on Wednesday night and to Josh for all the Arsenal fans out there to get the lowdown on Brentford ahead of the game. So with that in mind, what have you got for me?
00:01:54
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Well, thank you very much for handing over. i'm I've been looking forward to this one all day. um I guess with Brentford, there's a lot of different things sort of like to to focus on. I think the big one that this season, a lot of people were thinking about, and I imagine you've talked about it a lot already, but I'd love to get your opinion. Losing Ivan Tony in the summer was enormous. you know There's no getting away from that. He was a phenomenal player for you.
00:02:18
Josh Vince - Arsenal
And I was wondering if Whissa and Nwemo would step up. It appears they have done. How are you feeling about your front options at the moment?
00:02:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, well, I guess it was a, it was a, um, slow loss of Ivan Tony because we knew that we were losing him for a long time.
00:02:35
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Hmm.
00:02:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
He was banned for a long time. So we technically did lose him for quite a while anyway, before we actually lost him. So at the start of last season, we only really had with Surin and Bumo.
00:02:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Obviously now we've got Igor Tiago, um, who is more of an Ivan Tony profile player in terms of his size, his ability to hold hold up the ball, et cetera. Um, but.
00:02:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Even last season, especially the start of last season, when we started without Tony, I think it's definitely a different frontline without him. But in some ways, it is a little bit more dynamic with the likes of Whissa and Abumo, you know, rotating positions.
00:03:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
If we go with a front three, you've got the likes of Kevin Shada or Keen Lewis Potter in the past. um who's come in and and and they can all rotate and it's so much more fluid perhaps from three. In terms of Whissa in particular, I've always preferred him playing down the middle and the fact that Ivan Tony's gone allows him to play down the middle because I think as a finisher,
00:03:15
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:03:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
he's probably the best finisher we have and his goal record per 90 minutes even when Ivan Tony was around is remarkable and it's only the fact that he wasn't playing all the time when Ivan Tony was around um that we didn't see as much from him perhaps so I wasn't too worried about it actually and went and when Tiago came in as our club record signing unfortunately he got injured in pre-season he only played a couple of games off the bench and he started one game in early December and now he's injured again ah so we haven't seen too much of him yet but an initial signs of him when he is fit is he does give us that option to go a bit longer
00:04:09
Josh Vince - Arsenal
hot
00:04:17
Josh Vince - Arsenal
The.
Impact of Igor Tiago and Brentford's Home vs. Away Performance
00:04:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
he can hold it up, which would normally be helpful, particularly against sides like Arsenal, sides that are seen to be a lot, you know, technically better than Brentford. Obviously, we won't have that option against you guys on Wednesday. But, yeah, he offers something different. And I guess that's what we're looking for in each of the front players. They all offer something different. They all offer their own threat. And I think that makes for quite a well-rounded front line, really. So, yeah, in terms of losing Ivan Tony, I think,
00:04:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was a long time in coming. We knew we we knew it was coming. um We, you know, had a practice run of playing without him when he was out for nine months anyway of the band. So um I can't say I'm too shocked that we have still managed to score goals, particularly at home and so far this season. So I think, you know, Brian and Bremo as well, he's linked with a host of top clubs um most of the time as well. So, you know, we we know his ability as well, and he's just improved every year.
00:05:18
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He certainly has been. I mean, he's been linked with us quite heavily. I know that much. I was even reading it this morning, just that, and when you know, immediately an arsenal link because we apparently need a number nine.
00:05:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:28
Josh Vince - Arsenal
ah It's funny.
00:05:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, though he he he's more of a right-sided attacker. And when when I think of Arsenal, obviously, you've got Pekaya Saka.
00:05:33
Josh Vince - Arsenal
No.
00:05:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Brian Abumo is not going to be going to Arsenal to overthrow him. So i just ah that that link does confuse me a bit. i would I've always thought you know, maybe when Salah leaves Liverpool, maybe that's an option for Brian, you know, or Newcastle, I know have been interested in him as well. And obviously they've got Gordon on the left, but no one really stand out on the right. So I get, I can understand those links, but I think the Arsenal links with Brian and Bumo does, does confuse me a little bit because he's not, enough he's not an out and out number nine. He doesn't normally play number nine.
00:06:08
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I mean we had the Kaio Slacker but we'll get on to that a little bit later.
00:06:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh dear, not you guys as well.
00:06:12
Josh Vince - Arsenal
um Well, it's been happening everywhere, isn't it? I was just looking, I mean, a big, one of the big stories of the season is your home record. You mentioned scoring at home. The home record for you has been astonishing. I'm just looking now, I can see what, one, two draws and a loss. So you've dropped what, five points at home all season. That's remarkable form.
00:06:35
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Um, do you sort of lay it down to the manager? Obviously, Thomas Franks seems to have done an incredible job with you. I mean, what you came up in, came up in 2021, right from the championship and what finished 13th, 9th and 16th.
00:06:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:06:49
Josh Vince - Arsenal
It was a little bit squeaky button time last season, but he just seems to be a constant source of really good quality football, Thomas Frank. Are the fans still happy with him or is there sort of like aspirations to be pushing on a little bit further now?
00:07:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely. We're happy with him. I mean, I i personally never thought Brentford would get to the Premier League and he's the man that's taken us here.
00:07:10
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:07:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
And, you know, even now you see every season, the teams that come up typically struggle. All three went down last year. All three are currently in the bottom three this year. So it can't be underestimated how hard it is just to make that jump.
00:07:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it it seems like Brentford now have made that jump. We are quite comfortable. We would love a season in Europe. We don't want to necessarily end up like a palace, maybe, who will race 13th or 14th, but never quite have been able ah yet anyway to make to make the jump to Europe.
00:07:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
we We would love to do that. But I'm not in a rush to do that.
00:07:44
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Hmm. Hmm.
00:07:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah you know If it happens one year, it happens. And obviously, I want i want it to happen. But we have pressed on. A couple of years ago, when we came ninth, we were only a point of villa who got um into the Europa League, I think.
00:07:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
So you know it it was very, very tight.
00:07:58
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:08:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
um in In terms of our home record, I mean, by contrast our away record, we only have two points away from home this season. and
Thomas Frank's Leadership and Brentford's Premier League Ambitions
00:08:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah i think I think a lot of that is down to who we've played.
00:08:07
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Okay.
00:08:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think if you look at those, especially the the first five or six home games, you've got Southampton, you've got Ipswich, you know you've got Leicester, you've got Wolves, you've got Palace.
00:08:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've beaten all of them at home and we haven't played any of them away yet.
00:08:25
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:08:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I think to a certain extent, you can explain the difference in the home and away form by by looking at that.
00:08:32
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Oh, yeah, I see what you mean, actually.
00:08:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:08:35
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. You're away games in order. Well, what Liverpool city Spurs United Fulham ever.
00:08:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:08:43
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Oh, bloody hell. Aston Villa, Chelsea, Newcastle and bright. Okay. Yeah. Nope. Fair enough. Yep. You make a very good point.
00:08:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, so I do think, I mean, most teams home form is slightly better than their away form, but I do think it will even out slightly.
00:08:55
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:08:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
00:08:57
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:08:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hopefully from now because obviously we face you guys on Wednesday night. I think we've got Liverpool City um in January at home.
00:09:05
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:09:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Yeah, away on Saturday we have Southampton and then obviously our way fixes now start to resemble the the start we had at home. So I'm hoping we'll start to get some points on the road now and I'd love it if we still get points at home.
00:09:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I think I think to an extent it's down to the games we've had and I think the way that Thomas Frank is trying to evolve our style, especially this year, is we are trying to play a bit more football again.
00:09:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like we did in the championship.
00:09:33
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:09:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
In in the championship, we are probably one of the best sides to watch in terms of our style of play. I think we are trying to go back towards that, more playing out from the back, probably as a result of not having Ivan Tony and also no Tiago, um especially against the teams that we feel that we can compete with against those lower teams.
00:09:48
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:09:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that has worked for us. we have um We have been playing like that and we have scored lots of goals. We've also conceded quite a few goals. We've only kept two clean sheets. So ah I think that's part of just the progression in our style.
00:10:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Whereas in the past, we've perhaps been a bit more effective sometimes against the better teams, but not not beating the teams around us because we played maybe more long ball towards Ivan Toni, maybe more a mixed style.
00:10:10
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:10:18
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I do have to say um I live in Manchester and I know a lot of city fans. Obviously they've been through the ringer a little bit recently, which has been horrible to watch. I don't know how we've all coped. um But they all say that the game on the 14th of January, you know, um away at Brentford for them.
00:10:38
Josh Vince - Arsenal
is one that they are really scared of, genuinely. like The home form has got a lot of teams scared, and I'm not gonna lie, me a little bit as well. So probably the last question I've got for you really then is what were sort of like your predictions and aspirations for Brentford coming into this season? Because realistically, I think Brentford, again, like you say, they're a comfortable team. I probably had them a little bit lower than where they are at the moment now, but I don't know, what are you, 11th at the moment? I think it is.
00:11:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
We were 11th then Tottenham played yesterday and knocked us down to 12th, but you know, we've got a game in hand on them.
00:11:08
Josh Vince - Arsenal
You aren't, ugh.
00:11:12
Josh Vince - Arsenal
You have got a game in hand on them.
00:11:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Give us a point and we'll go above your rivals again.
00:11:14
Josh Vince - Arsenal
And and it spurs, they'll spurs it up.
00:11:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Don't worry. if
00:11:19
Josh Vince - Arsenal
But being 12, really strong position by Christmas time, let's be honest, isn't it?
00:11:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, I guess after last season, which was the first season of the three that we had in the Premier League where we never We never spent a weekend in the relegation zone. We've still never been in the relegation zone, but we were a little bit closer at times in that second half of the season than we perhaps would have liked. I think that was mainly down to injuries, which set in around this time last year. I hate to say it looks like it's kind of happening again. um The expectations this year were that
00:11:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm quite comfortable and I think when people are fit, when our best players are fit, I think that we can be a mid-table side. I think we're too good to go down when our best players are fit because they proved it now over three or four years.
00:12:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, it doesn't necessarily surprise me that we are where we are, yet we've still played even the whole of this season without our first choice.
00:12:11
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Mm-hmm.
00:12:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fullbacks, Rico, Henry and Aaron Hickey, they've been out for over a year each now.
00:12:20
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Wow.
00:12:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've not really looked at replacing them. Keen Lewis Potter has been playing at left back, who's really an attacking player. um so I think we've done well.
00:12:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
I would have liked us to have prioritized the League Cup a bit more. I think the most angry podcast I've ever done on the Daily Brantford Channel was when we lost the quarterfinal against Newcastle and we rested Brian and Boomer.
00:12:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
We rested Nathan Collins. We rested Dam's guard.
00:12:48
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:12:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's probably the best player this season. ah And my thoughts are just why we are 10th or 12th in the Premier League. If we're not going to go for it now, why not? And there was every chance, you know, we we could have you know, at least given Newcastle a better game. We had just beaten them in the league a week before that with all those players playing. It just angered to me a little bit that we didn't give that a go. and Given that we do look quite stable and obviously the gap to the bottom and three is is quite large, particularly at the rate of the rate in which they pick up points, which isn't isn't very quickly um these days. So, yeah, but that that's the only thing I'm disappointed with. But in terms of where we are in the league, um'm I'm pretty happy.
00:13:28
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Still got the FA Cup. I mean, what, you got Plymouth in two weeks time, I think it is.
00:13:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, yes, we do. Yeah, we'll probably wrestle our players then as well, because we've got, I think, City three days later.
00:13:36
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I promise last question because we did actually mention it before and I've just remembered again, how big a loss is Mark Flecken?
00:13:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, it's it's strange because the second choice is Hakon Woudenmarsen, who's not very well known.
00:13:50
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Mm hmm.
00:13:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
We signed him from, I think he came from a club in Iceland. He's Icelandic. We signed him from there in the summer, or it might be last January, actually, um but he's not really played.
00:13:55
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yep
00:14:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's played a couple of games in the Carabao Cup against lower league opposition, so he wasn't really tested too much on those games because they were games that we generally dominated. um He's Iceland's number one, so the only time I've really seen him was when he kept a clean sheet against England before the before the Euros um in England's warm-up game.
00:14:19
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yep. My word is item number one, age 23.
00:14:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:14:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, well, I can't think of many other Icelandic goalkeepers, if I'm honest.
00:14:26
Josh Vince - Arsenal
That's true, yeah.
00:14:29
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Runnison, we had a lad, Runnison. He was, he was, yeah.
00:14:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, Vardemarsk was definitely playing that day against England anyway. um But um yeah, even against Brighton, I think Brighton's best bet of the game came when Flecken was in goal.
00:14:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then when um when the change was made, I thought we came into the game much more and we protected him quite well.
00:14:42
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:14:47
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Mm.
00:14:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it's a little bit of an unknown, I think. We haven't seen him tested too much. And I think against Arsenal, he will be tested. It's particularly from set pieces.
00:14:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm a little bit worried about you know, maybe Arsenal getting on top of him at set pieces, targeting him a little bit, given that, you know, he is young and he's, you know, he'll be playing his second Premier League game.
00:15:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yeah, I guess we'll see is the answer to that question. It depends on how he copes.
00:15:15
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:15:18
Josh Vince - Arsenal
No, it'll certainly be interesting. That's probably all I have for you. Bring it on.
00:15:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
No worries.
00:15:25
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Bring it on.
00:15:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, we'll we'll we'll go to the break now and then the tables will be turned in part two.
00:15:41
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00:16:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to part two of your midweek crossover episode ahead of Brentford versus Arsenal at the GTEC on Wednesday. So in part two the tables will be turned and it is my turn to pose the all-important questions to Josh ahead of the big game.
00:16:32
Josh Vince - Arsenal
bring it on let's do
00:16:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
So then I guess this is something that you've been speaking about very, very recently.
Arsenal's Challenges: Creativity, Injuries, and Bukayo Saka's Playtime
00:16:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
But the big news coming out of Arsenal recently is the injury to Pacaya Saka.
00:16:42
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:16:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
I know you've had to do it already this season by adjusting things of our Odegard. And I know there's also some noise on the outside, in the media, et cetera, that Arsenal perhaps are not as effective in open play as maybe they should be, even with Pacaya Saka in the team at times.
00:16:57
Josh Vince - Arsenal
bring it on.
00:16:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
So how are Arsenal looking at resolving this problem?
00:17:02
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Let's do this. That is an outstandingly good question. I'll be honest, as an Arsenal fan, I don't think I have the answer for you. um It's been a weird season in terms of creativity and creating chances. Like you say, we lost Martin Erdegaard for a long time earlier in the season. He was out for about two months, the truth be told, in the end. I think it might have even been three.
00:17:25
Josh Vince - Arsenal
and In that time, we were sort of crowned stokanal FC, you know, going long balls and relying very, very heavily on set pieces. um joe ah I thought it was quite, it was quite a fun comparison and Tony Pulis apparently was more than happy to be linked with, ah you know, a pretty decent asshole side at the moment.
00:17:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not a bad thing. We've we've been called similar probably in the last few years, the way we've been playing.
00:17:49
Josh Vince - Arsenal
it It feels very weird to be so downbeat when your team's in third place. like it it's it's a weird dichotomy especially doing these crossovers i've loved doing these crossovers because it's sort of like talking to people from all the different clubs but i think inevitably as english football fans we're very pessimistic about our football clubs i don't know if you feel the same about that do you
00:18:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's different. I get i guess Brentford have different expectations. So I'm i'm very proud and happy of where we are. um And and i never I never actually thought we'd get to where we are currently. But in terms of game by game, you know the slightest injury crisis worries me. I don't think you know i worry about the second choice players. um And obviously, I'm going to worry ahead of a game against a team like Arsenal, because in all reality, Arsenal should win this game. And I don't think that's just the pessimistic Brentford fans saying that.
00:18:41
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah, I mean, Saka, as you asked, is a huge miss. We did lose him for a couple of games um earlier in the season. Trossard went over to that right-hand side, and for the listeners of the Daily Arsenal podcast, you'll know it's a spies Leandro Trossard.
00:18:55
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I just can't stand him. I don't know what it is about his face, the way he plays football, anything.
00:19:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
scored the winner the other night, didn't he?
00:19:03
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah, I know, but ah doesn't mean you gotta like the man. I mean, what, 17 matches played for us, four goal involvement for someone who's meant to be our best finisher. Not good enough in my opinion, but yeah. um Saka on the right hand side of the problem that we've and we've been saying on the Daily Arsenal podcast all season, um he has not stopped playing football for about three years. He has been started in almost every single Arsenal game for the last two years. He's a constant starter for England. We're in European competitions now because Arteta's got us back to that competitive level. He is still 23.
00:19:46
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He's 23 and he's played an obscene amount of games for us. And don't get me wrong, he's probably one of the best in his position in the world. So we definitely over rely on him. But as Arsenal, we desperately need cover because I do worry a little bit about the amount that we're exposing young players to playing too much regular football. And he's definitely one of them. So how are we going to do without him? It's going to be difficult because You're not bad defensively by any means. You conceded a lot of goals, but I think we'll have to be we'll have to rely on our set pieces again. Gabrielle Hatrick, that's what it's going to be. Gabrielle Hatrick in corners.
00:20:26
Josh Vince - Arsenal
ah
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Probably, we'll come on to it, but we have a lot of and a lot of injuries in defence. We'll come on to it in the third part of the house. but um The next question I want to ask, is is there a sense of disappointment asked? I think you might suggest there is, um given your current position, after that after the fact that you were second best of city for the last two years, and then the year that they go off the boil,
00:20:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
It seems that Liverpool are the ones that have taken the most initiative and obviously they' they've opened up a bit of a lead on
Arsenal's Title Contention and Player Performances
00:20:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
you guys now. So is there a sense of disappointment um considering that?
00:21:03
Josh Vince - Arsenal
you put that so succinctly that is that's kind of I was literally talking to a friend the other day as exactly the point I was making we've been so close for two years pushing them so far we were two points off them last year two points off the untouchable Manchester City but considering when our tetta came in and we were seventh and eighth we were nowhere really near europe we were really struggling to find any sort of form any sort of identity after the vanger years like everything felt a bit adrift city were just this paragon that you would look at and go maybe one day but realistically never and then to be so close for two years it is so frustrating i can't tell you it's so bloody annoying to have come so close but i do also understand it
00:21:53
Josh Vince - Arsenal
because a lot of people are saying, oh, you've've you've signed like three or four left backs this summer. We didn't, we actually shipped a lot of players out of the club. So we got down to a bare bones squad and it's a squad that's been there for a long time and a lot of them are tired. And I think honestly, it's what we're seeing all over the Premier League, especially especially with the big clubs with players playing a lot of international football. I mean, you look at City, they've still got phenomenal players, but they are exhausted. And the injury problems that we're picking up, you've got massive injury problems at the back. We've had injury problems in all our creative areas, which has shown a complete lack of depth. so And Liverpool have just
00:22:35
Josh Vince - Arsenal
have been unbelievably lucky in the sense of no injuries, city have fallen off, and Mohammed Saleh is intent on getting the best possible contract from the Saudi Pro League that he possibly can, so has decided to go on an absolute tear and just eviscerate the entire Premier League. I mean, they've still only lost one game, and that was to Forrest, who was second! Forrest is second! What? It's a fun year, but it's a frustrating year is my answer, I'll be honest with you.
00:23:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, when when you put on that, Liverpool are doing exceptionally well.
00:23:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
um If that was City in that position, perhaps you would not be maybe as frustrated because you would think that they're still what they always have been. And, you know, you guys are just, you know, a little bit off them again.
00:23:07
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:23:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
but um that Let's go to the next question because this this one's a much softer question and it's a much nicer question for both both sets of fans actually.
00:23:26
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. What did it feel?
00:23:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
I want to talk a little bit about David Rare because obviously he came ah he came from Brentford.
00:23:31
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I love that.
00:23:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's very popular still amongst Brentford fans and I expect him to get a really good reception on Wednesday. Obviously this is the first time that he is playing against Brentford because last season he was only on loan at Arsenal and Ramsdale had to play the games against Brentford. I know when he initially joined Arsenal there were some questions about whether Arsenal even needed him given that Ramsdale wasn't doing terribly.
00:23:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
um I think some Arsenal fans might have been unsure of him, but from what I can see, Arsenal's fans view has now changed and they're on board with it.
00:24:01
Josh Vince - Arsenal
No. No.
00:24:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
So how do you feel about David Rare and how how do Arsenal fans feel about him?
00:24:14
Josh Vince - Arsenal
It was really weird, let's be honest. like I think, as you just alluded to, when the news came out, Arsenal signing David Ryer, you know, Brentford's number one on loan after Ramsdale had had, frankly, let you say, an astonishing season. He'd been brilliant. I think he won save of the year for the save against Madison yeah and with that free kick. He was exceptional and he was loved by the fans. A lot of us sort of looked at it as a,
00:24:44
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He's it was around that time. Everyone was using the finest margins. That was it. It was all about the little margins, those little things that can get you just over the line. And we caught we kind of bought into it a little bit. But realistically, um having looked a little bit closer at the two goalkeepers, Raya is an improvement. He is definitely improvement on Ramsdale as much as I loved Ramsdale. And I kind of wish we could have kept him around. But he's too good not to be a first team goalkeeper.
00:25:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Probably too good for Southampton too if I'm honest.
00:25:13
Josh Vince - Arsenal
ah
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
but yeah
00:25:16
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He is, yes. He definitely is too good for Southampton. Do you know, I could have seen him realistically at more of a palace, possibly. Actually, even at Brentford, you know.
00:25:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah i mean The thing is with him at Southampton, I'm guessing he'll be looking to move on if and when they get relegated.
00:25:30
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Hmm.
00:25:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
so you know For some stability I guess it would be better for him to be at a club you know with better chance of staying up.
00:25:38
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah, but David Wright, when he came in, I'd be honest, I hadn't really paid that much attention to him previously. Like I knew he was good and I knew that Brentford rated him pretty highly, but 28 year old goalkeeper at the time, decent save percentage, you know, decent XG against. It was like, all right, fine. He's a good second choice. But I have to say in the last two years, he has seriously impressed all of us.
00:26:03
Josh Vince - Arsenal
ah His abilities play out from the back, his calmness under pressure, and it's his goalkeeping technique. I don't know how to describe it. Sporadic and scary, but in a fun way. Like he's very theatrical with his saves.
00:26:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, he he was always prone to the odd mistake.
00:26:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
A very high profile one as well in the playoff final against Fulham the year before we came up.
00:26:23
Josh Vince - Arsenal
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00:26:28
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:26:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
when we lost that one, he let in a free kick from miles out. I think he was standing a bit too far out from his goal, expecting the cross. But um yeah, he he's always had a mistake in him, but yeah, brilliant with his feet.
00:26:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think that's what stands him out um in terms of playing out. And he helped us so much in our first year in the Premier League, you know, the the the link between him and Ivan Tony, he was able to, you know,
00:26:47
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:26:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
put it on a sixpence for him and then if we get players around Ivan Tony then we could get forward and we get forward quickly and score goals and yeah it was great to have him he's probably the best keeper that we've probably ever had um certainly got on to the the best things that any Brentford player has probably ever gone on to that I can remember. um So yeah, I do expect him to get a good reception. I think with Fleckert as well, I think he's grown. He's grown um in terms of Brentford fans' estimations. He got a lot of criticism when he first came in, obviously he had a big, um big shoes to fill. um But again, Fleckert ability with his feet as well.
00:27:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
is very very good so I think we we we clearly looked at getting that replacement in you know to try and get a similar sort of style of keeper in but you know although rare might be slightly better I don't think we really could have done much better with Flecken if we want someone of that type coming in.
00:27:46
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Vekon's very solid. He's very, very solid. but I really like him as a coke. But one thing I will say about the Raya transfer, though, I was surprised how cheap we got him. Honestly.
00:27:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think contract issues, I think he must might have only had 12 or 18 months left.
00:28:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
He wouldn't sign again. same it Same with Ivan Tony.
00:28:00
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Right.
00:28:02
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:28:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think we ended up getting a bit more for Ivan Tony, purely because he went to Saudi and they were willing to pay a bit more.
00:28:07
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:28:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, I think he was one of those who you know was a bit reluctant. He probably knew that bigger clubs were in for him.
00:28:15
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:28:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Bit reluctant to sign a new deal. and we We wanted to make money from it. So um and so instead of ah letting him go for nothing, we thought we'd...
00:28:23
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Is that quite a consistent problem?
00:28:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Not really. I mean the next one to go probably would be Brian and Bummo but he does have two or three years left still so he still has value at the moment.
00:28:34
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
We we we traditionally won't let it get down to that to that long. um I think again Ivan Tony would have left the summer before um if it wasn't for the band um and in which case again he would have had more value um because he he would have had an extra year on his contract but obviously there's nothing we can do
00:28:48
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah about the band and everything happened behind that. yeah So let's have another break then and then we'll go into part three where we'll give our all-important predictions.
00:29:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:29:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
So then welcome to part three of your midweek crossover episode where we give out all important predictions. However, before we do that, how do you think the game will be won or lost from your perspective on Wednesday night?
Brentford's Defensive Struggles and Offensive Threats
00:30:03
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Genoa, this is one of the harder ones for me to predict. um Partly because I know you said beforehand your home form has a lot to do with the teams that you've played, but you've also looked resilient. You've looked very resilient and we are struggling creatively without Saka because the thing is we have heard a guard back now.
00:30:21
Josh Vince - Arsenal
But the key creative energy comes from the link-up play between him, Saka and Timber on the right hand side. The three of them create such intricate triangles and sort of openings of space which are just magnificent. They're what overwhelms teams.
00:30:36
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Without Saka, he's such a key part in it. The others can't match up to that. So I think, I hate to say it, because I'm just falling into the into the stereotype, I think set pieces are gonna be huge in this game. I think Martinelli will be bombing down that left-hand side, trying to get any corner that he can, and it will be Big Gabs and Mikel Marino in there trying to win set pieces. What about yourself, from more of a Brentford perspective?
00:31:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, just first, on on the set pieces, I wonder how much Brentford know about that and how he works, because obviously your set piece coach started off at Brentford. So I wonder whether we know any of his secrets.
00:31:14
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Did he? Nick, I never started with you guys.
00:31:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and and the City one did, and the Chelsea one did. ah we were We were one of the first on the scene with these set piece coaches, you see.
00:31:25
Josh Vince - Arsenal
o Okay. Oh.
00:31:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we've been we've been working on the kickoffs this year, and the long throws we're quite good at.
00:31:32
Josh Vince - Arsenal
You'll kick off the terrifying. I don't understand your character.
00:31:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
right
00:31:37
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I remember seeing them at the start of the scene just being like, oh god, Brentford are here to play. Honestly, I'm not.
00:31:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, so so we've done it a few more times as well after the opposition has scored, but it's not pointed out then because it's you know it's a 31st minute goal or whatever. It doesn't look anything special, but it often comes you know a minute after after you score.
00:31:50
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:31:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
So don't score on Wednesday or we'll have a kickoff.
00:31:56
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Oh.
00:31:59
Josh Vince - Arsenal
The thing is, I can like absolutely, in fact, I think you did it last season. I think you ripped us apart in one minute and got ahead last season possibly, or the season before.
00:32:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah The last season, the only goal we scored, I think the home game last season was 0-0 for ages and then Havert scored at the end.
00:32:13
Josh Vince - Arsenal
That was
00:32:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
and then the away game at the Emirates, Ramsdale made a mistake just before half-time, and you guys won 2-1 still.
00:32:23
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah. Yeah.
00:32:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Havertz, again, I believe, um so we just need to stop him, I think.
00:32:27
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Pink eye. that
00:32:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, how do I think it's going to go? Now, with set pieces and stuff, Brentford have always been quite innovative, and I think that's something that's helped us as well, settling into the Premier League.
00:32:35
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:32:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
um This game, in particular, it's it's these injuries. I mean, I expect to see Wada Marston in goal, who is untested,
00:32:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
to be honest, centre back. Our only senior centre back is Nathan Collins. So Ethan Pinnock's injured, Seth Vandenberg who he bought from Liverpool, he could be back but he has been injured and there's every chance that he won't be back in time.
00:32:46
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:32:51
Josh Vince - Arsenal
What? Yeah.
00:33:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Ben Mee got injured in the Brighton game on Friday as well so he's out.
00:33:05
Josh Vince - Arsenal
oh no how big is he like in times of sort of like you know strength and
00:33:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Christopher Iyer who would also play centre back, he's injured, he's often injured but he's injured again.
00:33:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I expect Nathan Collins that said a back and it might be um a young South Korean kid called Kim Ji Soo who came on for Ben Mee on Friday against Brighton. So he might have his first Premier League start alongside Nathan Collins. um
00:33:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not very, not not not not very. I think he could do with a bit of bulking out. um He's only 19.
00:33:38
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. Oh, God, that's a rough name to come in.
00:33:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it will be a bit of a baptism of fire. So him and Valerie Morrison, you know, untested, very young.
00:33:45
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:33:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think this is a great game for them to come into, if I'm really honest. um Nathan Collins will be looking for him to kind of keep a hold of the back line.
00:33:51
Josh Vince - Arsenal
right
00:33:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Mads Rostev will play it right back, who is okay. probably a championship player if I'm really honest but you know he he fills in and he's not usually injured so that's a positive I guess obviously Aaron Hickey and Rico Henry yeah Aaron Hickey and Rico Henry have been out for a long time now and we haven't done enough simply to replace them so Lewis Potter will be a left back again I suspect who is actually an attacker he's actually done okay there to be honest but
00:34:09
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah, he does the job last. Yeah.
00:34:23
Josh Vince - Arsenal
My word, you really are struggling, aren't you?
00:34:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
if you If you consider that as a four, that is very makeshift and what we often like to do against the big six is we like to play a back five, but I just don't know who you'd put in a back five considering we've only got one set of back as it is.
00:34:40
Josh Vince - Arsenal
wow okay well that changes my perspective slightly on the game in that case but goodness that is brutal all of those defensive injuries yeah
00:34:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, we'll have Norgard and Janelle probably in in front of that. back four or five, and I think they'll be even more important than ever um going into this one, because you know they've got the experience.
00:35:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Norguard's a captain. you know They are quite solid. They are quite good, defensive midfielders. And we need them to be, I think, because I think we'll be sitting in a low block for a lot of this one, and they'll need to get some of the younger ones through the game if that they are to line up.
00:35:14
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:35:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, in terms of going forward, I think we can hurt any team. I think Brian and boom, oh, yeah. And with, uh, make our dams guard for me has been our best player this season. He has grown so much.
00:35:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, it's just in terms of creativity, putting it on a plate from a boomer and with, uh, Shana, if he's playing, he's very quick. Um, Kevin Shada, perhaps not technically got the ability of the others, but he is very, very quick.
00:35:40
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
um and and Young too. I expect if we go with back four that that would be the front four I guess. and So I think we can hurt anyone. It does worry me as well though that you know we struggled, we ran out of ideas a little bit against Forest who have a good back line and I think Arsenal as well with Gabrielle and Saliba, good back line.
00:36:00
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Well, this is what I was going to bring up next. There's going to be a really, really interesting battle. Like you say, in Bumo is going to be on the right hand side, most likely for you guys with wizard down the middle.
00:36:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, unless you play a back five, and in which case he'll be in a front two, and I think we'd want to play a back five in this one, but I just don't know how it'd work with personnel.
00:36:15
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. Well, if you do go for the three instead and have them on the right, The left back option for Arsenal is a little bit up for debate at the moment, you could say. wea've We did buy two left backs in the summer, but all of them got injured at once. So we have been playing a youngster there for the last couple of games, Miles Lewis Skelly, who is actually a midfielder by trade. He's a, realistically, he's a realis degrees an attacking midfielder, but he's been fitting in it at left back for us.
00:36:49
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He is very, very good, but, and I mean, he played it in the Champions League as well, like he played against Monaco, he started in the Champions League. He's played some big games already, but you might be coming up against Riccardo Calafiori if he's back from injury.
00:37:04
Josh Vince - Arsenal
And that, I think, him against Mbemo, if that's on the right-hand side, that'll be a fascinating battle to watch. Really interesting.
00:37:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, well, I mean, if we're going to criticize Buma at all, I think there there are certain games where he doesn't have an impact and he doesn't really get involved, particularly games where we maybe don't create as much and he maybe has less chances.
00:37:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, sometimes he'll do a thing where he kind of cuts in, puts a bit of a cross in, but it hits the first man.
00:37:28
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:37:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think When you're not creating as many chances as we sometimes do at home, you need to make the most of those times when you get on the ball in those positions. so you know ah We'll need him to be at it. we I think we'll need to score to even get anything out of the game um on Wednesday because I don't back out of the fence to keep them out.
00:37:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so it will be interesting. I think the other thing we could see is maybe in Buma right wing back if we do find three.
00:37:52
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah. Oh.
00:37:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, Rossev can then tuck in as a third center back and then Collins and then Vandenberg. If he is back, that wouldn't be a terrible center back free then.
00:38:05
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Ooh, that'll be interesting now.
00:38:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
and And I could see him playing at wing back because we don't have anyone else simply to play there. And Thomas Frank tends to put a winger there if um If we haven't got anything else and it'd be interesting to see how that works.
00:38:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think he'd have to be disciplined defensively, but obviously it would allow him to get forward still. Hopefully when when we do try and break.
00:38:22
Josh Vince - Arsenal
That would be really interesting with Saka out and Marino being our offensive eight who's not been doing an awful lot for us recently. So that would be a really, that'd probably be quite a small way to start to be honest. Like that would really nullify us. If it's a back five, this Arsenal could be in real trouble.
00:38:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think we perhaps need to, it's just it's just the the issues with personnel. um Anyway, let's get on to score predictions time, what you're going for.
00:38:45
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:38:50
Josh Vince - Arsenal
do you know what I've had about three different ones because of the things that we've discussed I think with your defensive problems it does sound like you're going to struggle to put a back five out and that massively been benefits us if it's against a back five it'll be a draw because we will struggle to score and I would go one all if it's back four I know this is such a workaround sort of like wishy-washy if it isn't if it's a back four
00:39:21
Josh Vince - Arsenal
2-1 Arsenal with Haverts and, go on, Gabrielle Martinelli on the score sheet for Arsenal and I can see Whissa getting in behind a mistake of Saliba's.
00:39:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Wow, okay.
00:39:38
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:39:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Havertz again. God scored scored in both games against us last season.
00:39:40
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Haverts again. 60 minutes on the drain.
00:39:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:39:44
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I don't think so, baby.
00:39:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
and ah see ah See, I'm quite pessimistic and I was going to go for 3-1 Arsenal. I just think defensively, I just think we won't cope very well defensively.
00:39:55
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Great.
00:39:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think even at our best this season with Ethan Pinnock in the back line alongside Collins,
00:40:02
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:40:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
We have still had a 5-3, we've had a 4-3, we've had a 4-2. We are still conceding goals, even against teams in and around us.
00:40:15
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:40:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
and And although we will try and set up a bit more defensively here, and ideally in about 5, I just think with the personnel, I just think it will be a bit of a struggle.
00:40:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
The only thing that gives me some hope is that Arsenal aren't scoring as three leaders, perhaps like Liverpool. If we're playing Liverpool, I would be very, very worried about how that front three or four would attack us.
00:40:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think the best I can hope for is that we do just get a lot of numbers back there, even if they're some of the young players, and we can just limit the space that you get into.
00:40:45
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:40:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we need to rely on our keeper to make some saves. He might do. I mean he he I don't think he's a bad keeper but how good he is is is a rule unknown at the moment but I think more likely than not you'll put us under a lot of pressure and you probably will get a few but I will back us a score at the other end as well so I won't i won't be too pessimistic.
00:40:58
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:41:08
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:41:20
Josh Vince - Arsenal
I definitely think you'll score. I i genuinely do. like we A lot of people have talked about us having the best defense in the league. We've got the best centre back partnership in the league without a shadow of a doubt.
00:41:30
Josh Vince - Arsenal
But they also have they have mistakes in them and they've been a little bit on and off this season. So you'll definitely score. I could definitely see you scoring. It'll be the three or four goals in the game, you'd imagine.
00:41:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I'll go and boom over Brentford, um cutting in off the right to, um yeah, obviously whoever plays at left back for Arsenal will either be Louis Skelly, who's obviously a very young player, or Califiori, who's been a bit injured, so I'll back and boom over to take advantage, maybe a bit of rustiness there.
00:41:45
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Mm-hmm.
00:41:52
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:42:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then for Arsenal, I think Gabrielle will score from a set piece against Valdemarsson. I think you'll put pressure on Valdemarsson who's inexperienced at this level, even the centre back if GC plays, also inexperienced at this level, I think you will be able to manipulate the situation so that you know one or both of those are struggling as the ball's coming in.
00:42:12
Josh Vince - Arsenal
a
00:42:28
Josh Vince - Arsenal
yeah
00:42:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then Gabriel, I think, will will get to the ball first and and do what he does.
00:42:31
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Yeah.
00:42:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I think you'll get one goal from that situation. I've got to go Havertz because he always seems to score against Brentford it seems.
Match Predictions and Hopes for Brentford vs. Arsenal
00:42:41
Josh Vince - Arsenal
He does. He does. What can I say?
00:42:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah and Further, I was struggling with a bit. We'll give it to Odegard. We'll give it to Odegard because he's a very good player.
00:42:51
Josh Vince - Arsenal
Why not? Everyone likes me.
00:42:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Why not? But that that will do then for today's episode. I do hope I'm wrong with those predictions. But thank you for listening to the Daily Brentford and the Daily Arsenal crossover episode.
00:43:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
We hope you've enjoyed today's episode. And once again, we'd be extremely grateful for your support as this will enable us to get bigger and better moving forwards. Daily Brentford can be found on X Instagram and TikTok under the handle at GSP and Brentford and Daily Arsenal I believe is under the handle at GSP and Gunners.
00:43:21
Josh Vince - Arsenal
It is under GSPN gun, is yes.
00:43:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
it is yeah We'll be back again tomorrow and I'm sure the Daily Arsenal podcast will be as well where we'll have a more in-depth look ahead to Wednesday night's game. Until then from myself and Josh, thank you for being with us.