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Crossover Friday x Daily Southampton
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This is your Crossover Friday where we preview our clash at St Mary's against bottom of the table Southampton at the weekend. We discuss what has changed for the Saints since Russell Martin's sacking, the possibility of Kyle Walker-Peters making a move to West London, and give our all important predictions ahead of the game.
Host: Greg Elliott (Daily Southampton)
Zak Ingoe-Finch (Daily Southampton)
Daniel Toppin (Daily Brentford)
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Introduction to Daily Southampton and Daily Brentford Podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton and the Daily Brentford from the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and as always I am joined by my wonderful co-host Zach Ingo Finch.
00:00:22
Speaker
How you Zach? Yeah, it's too bad, mate, yourself? Yeah, um um I'm here. I'm here. Not quite, no, but we're getting there.
Brentford's Quest for First Away Win
00:00:29
Speaker
All right. And from our our friends at the Daily Brentford, Daniel, how you doing, mate? You all right? I'm good. I'll be there at the weekend, so hoping for our first away win of the season because we've not won away yet. so Well, we do love to hand those streaks to people. That would be very safe to us. Yeah, it's...
00:00:49
Speaker
It's a bit of an up and down season, I guess, for for both teams. Within segment one, I guess, we'll hand over to to Daniel and ask us some questions about Saints and we'll come back to a much better side of the team in segment two for Brentford. So, Daniel, over to you.
Southampton's Defensive and Scoring Challenges
00:01:07
Speaker
Yes, I guess the first thing I want to know is what's changed under the new manager in terms of style i think you guys look a bit more solid now and less of the silly mistakes at the back perhaps but yeah what's changed are you now harder to play against do you have more hope for more points going forwards i guess under the new manager you want to start quick all right well look it can't get worse
00:01:38
Speaker
Oh good girl the same page. that We look a little bit more solid defensively although we do still concede. We're not conceding in as daft ways as we were previously where we were literally gifting the goals but I mean it was never really, it's always been known that our struggle comes at the top of the pitch.
Managerial Changes and Transfer Market Struggles
00:02:02
Speaker
I think it took until about November for any of our strikers to get on the score sheet in the Premier League and even then it's been flaky at best. But the system has been completely different under Djuric with the little time he's had on the training pitch with the players and
00:02:21
Speaker
I think the biggest concern so far is that he seems to have changed the system and replaced our striker with the only striker we've had who's been almost consistently scoring in Cameron Archer and been putting Toolpool on as the focal point which is fine it does the job it needs to do he's good at holding the ball up but I think we're all eager to see the combination of Toolpool and Cameron Archer and we're hoping that that's going to come into play at some point Right, it's it's only got to be a matter of time. we We would like our strikers to score. Don't care how, it would just be you would be nice. Yeah, the problem is, I think I was saying about it the other week, and one of our the fans of the pod actually corrected me. It was like, oh, like you know he's hued that he's been in for a week and a half. It's like, no, he's been in a week. And you're like, oh, he's barely been here. And I think that's the problem, is we haven't really had a chance. and these's kind of
00:03:16
Speaker
Tested around with different personnel to see who will actually put a game in realized that a lot of the players that weren't being picked weren't being picked for good measure and But i'm hoping he's kind of now we've had a solid week of training We'll actually see some sort of style that he wants to implement because the last couple of games have been very much what they were directly after Russell Martin went, which is the players kind of playing the same, except far more willing to kick it up the field, which was fine up until the game. Like, what was it? Who did we draw against, Greg? That was terrible. It was the most boring game of football I've ever seen.
00:03:56
Speaker
But it was nice because we got a clean cheat, but then obviously like we were just unable to create nothing. And then it's just nice to see us getting more shots, having a bit, having, when we have possession, it feels useful as opposed to like winning the 90% possession stat. And they're like, yeah, look, we won 90% possession. we we We had one shot, but 90% possession. So yeah, so.
00:04:22
Speaker
I think we're looking forward to actually seeing his style be implemented properly because I don't think there's been quite a chance yet.
Managing Relegation and Recruitment Issues
00:04:28
Speaker
Yeah, I guess it's difficult. It's difficult changing anything mid-season as opposed to at the end of the season. It's difficult as well if you haven't done what you felt that you should have done in the transfer market at the start of the season.
00:04:40
Speaker
again it's difficult with this squad of players and it's perhaps maybe even difficult to get players in January if they look at the table and see that you guys got six points and it might be likely that you're playing in the championship next season but is there any hope from your guys points of view that you could do something really special and stay up or is it now just about preparing for next season?
00:05:05
Speaker
I'd say preparing for next season, if I'm totally honest, I think that the fantasy, like, you know, the fantasies in all of us would love us to stay up and do something special. We are much better at breaking records for other teams than for ourselves.
00:05:22
Speaker
you've got an out-of-form striker not scored in 30 games, don't worry, play against Southampton. That sounds overtly negative, but also it's it's just the reality of the situation. they They tried to do that last time round when they realised relegation was essentially inevitable, right? we were We had three managers in a season, and they they tried to kind of f throw the kitchen sink at the January transfer window. And what it resulted in is, you know, the reason that we have big, tall Paul on the match you in our squad now is because he was, ah I think, the fifth choice striker that we purchased on deadline day brought in. And then the manager who is managing him then left. So, you know, I don't think they'll want to make any hasty decisions. It probably cost a lot more money than they are willing to let on to fire Russell Martin and his team.
00:06:10
Speaker
I think we would definitely need to see some outgoings, but I think that they were extremely burnt by some recruitment that was good, i.e. like Matias Fernandez, but a vast majority of the recruitment being let by all of the players from these teams that got relegated last season, what could possibly go wrong? Ben Barrett in Diaz, who is did not was not part of a winning side for the entirety of last season and last year, which has got to be, from a mentality perspective, very upsetting.
00:06:41
Speaker
But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. I don't know how you feel, Greg. I know you kind of have similar thoughts, but probably slightly more optimistic than that. Yeah, I think that I don't think they can be seen to be defeatist in accepting their place for the championship. So I'm fine with the optics of signing a couple of players in in the aim of surviving. But I think it's all about being sensible and not put in the club at risk by doing anything drastic. But I think there'll be some movement and but maybe even one big signing as opposed to a few small ones. But yeah, I think it will mostly be working optics as opposed to actually giving us any hope because it's it's a long, long way away, right?
Karl Walker Peters' Contract Speculations
00:07:31
Speaker
It's a real, real fight. Yeah, okay.
00:07:36
Speaker
I guess I guess it's hard to win any game in the but in the Premier League. I mean, even after a few years, you know, we go through periods where it's hard to find when the next wins coming from sometimes. But yeah, I guess that's how it goes. the The last question I wanted to ask a bit of a wild card question, really. What is Karl Walker Peters contract situation? Because I thought that he was out of contract in the summer. And Brentford are a team who don't have fallbacks because Rico, Henry and Aaron Hickey don't know they're coming in back anytime soon.
00:08:06
Speaker
and I've been kind of suggesting on our podcast that somewhere like him I think he is one of your better players and would do a job at Brentford and he can play on both sides and I thought if he's out of contract maybe we can look at doing something.
00:08:22
Speaker
So what are your thoughts? I am rattled as my thoughts because I spend a vast majority of this type this podcast talking about whenever we get asked the question, and this is a wildcard because the question we always get asked is how amazing is Tyler Diblin? I'm like, yeah, he's great. Please purchase him and leave people like Matty Fernandez and forget that we have Carl Walker Peters.
00:08:41
Speaker
Because for me, he is one of our better players. um A lot of fan base seem to think he's kind of switched off. I don't think that's the case at all. I think he's put in 100% effort. He had offers when we went down that he kind of turned down. He's seeing out the end of his contract. I feel like it's one of those situations where there's probably a contract on the table. I very much doubt he will sign it, especially with the situation now. I think we're probably in the last six months of seeing him. I think he's been probably one of the best servants we've had at the club.
00:09:11
Speaker
in the last couple of years. I think he's probably one of the better prospects. I think he is one of the ones as well that if he was to go from the team, I think that he would fit in very well at any other side because we've had a couple of people that have sort sort thought the grass was greener, right like a Danny Ng situation and then clo club to club to club to club.
00:09:33
Speaker
Even James Ward-Prowse now is sitting on the bench and not even Forrest, where they don't want to send him back ah to West Ham, because apparently that his influence is really good, which is must be lovely for a guy trying to get back into the England squad. But yeah, Carl Walker-Peters is a fantastic player. And from his contact contract situation, yes, it is definitely due to expire in the summer. And I wouldn't be surprised if he is a surprise disappearance in January that upsets everybody, specifically me and on top of that, Greg's sister-in-law.
00:10:03
Speaker
um guess it makes business sense though. If you were to sell him for something now, it would make business sense. that would be why Exactly why I could see him going in January, because from a Sports Republic perspective, we need money. We're going to need money going down.
00:10:18
Speaker
He is probably, I don't know if he's one of the better paid players. He certainly should be in my opinion, but yeah, it's kind of, I don't think that he will resign and I don't blame him for that. And he would get into our team. He would get into our team and he knows ra Rasmus Ankerson of Southampton, X Brentford, good links there. So you never know.
00:10:36
Speaker
What's your space? Yeah, no, I also wouldn't be surprised. And ah I think that the the fact that it's good business is probably what would upset a lot of Saints fans, because good business and good football don't often match.
Brentford's Injury Management and League Position
00:10:49
Speaker
So that seems, I don't think anyone's doubting Sports Republic's business credentials, but there are serious questions about their footballing credentials at the moment. So it's a decision that really could sway the vote that way.
00:11:03
Speaker
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00:11:30
Speaker
If you're ready to tell your story, check out the link in the show description and learn more about Zenkaster. OK, so we've heard plenty on our show about our ah woes and angst from this season. And the last time we talked to you, Daniel, we were we were probably full of joy and hope and optimism coming into the season and then promptly got beat 3-1 by you guys. ah Classic.
00:11:58
Speaker
but It feels like you guys aren't on the best runner form at the moment, but it's hard to to say that, looking up at your points and thinking how much we'd love to be there. So how's it feeling at Brentwood at the moment? You feeling okay? um I mean, we're we're okay in terms of points. I mean, we've got about 10 point gap on the bottom three and that's a big gap when the bottom three don't typically pick up. um it It'll take them a while normally to pick up 10 points of likes of its which and Lester and yourselves. So.
00:12:29
Speaker
we feel okay in terms of our position. If you look at the points you're on and what's needed to probably stay up, you're probably only looking at about another 15 points. And if we don't get that in, you know, half a season, then, you know, I would be a bit concerned. But I say to you guys on the six, yeah i see The problem is is, it's all accurate, all completely fine. it's just If you're looking at staying up, I mean, you guys will know this as well. if you're If you're looking at staying up, you need at least 15 points per half of the season. And even then, you'll be lucky to start with 30. But because we've already got 24, 25, then 15 more for Brentford should be fine. So in terms of staying up, that's great. That's
Impact of Injuries on Brentford's Defense
00:13:12
Speaker
fine. I mean, what I guess Brentford fans want now is we've had we've had one year, two years ago, is only one point off Europe.
00:13:19
Speaker
You know, we want to try and push towards the next level, which is, I appreciate that. It's very difficult, but you know, you've got to aim for something next. You don't want to be the team that, you know, just survives every season because eventually, you know, you probably will just go down.
00:13:32
Speaker
I think the frustration is injuries for the second year running it was around Christmas last year where we lost Rico Henry and he's he's still not returned by the way and Aaron Hickey they're our first choice fullbacks hence why I asked the walker Peter's question but we also lost Brian and Boomer around this time last year he was out for a couple of months obviously last year we had the Ivan Tony ban then Whissa went off to Afghan so we had a lot of injuries and disruption last year and Recently it seems to be happening again happening again so we we don't have fallbacks anyway because I've just said they're still injured from last year but we covered that area okay but then recently you know the likes of Ethan Pinnocks got injured, Christopher Ayers injured again, Vandenberg was injured but he came back last night for the Arsenal game, Flecken even came off against Brighton but again he seems to be okay but
00:14:26
Speaker
There's just a lot of injuries. Igor Tiago, the new signing that we brought in to replace Ivan Toniz, played about two or three times this season, and then got injured again. So he's out. Yeah, so it's ah it's just a bit of a up and down on the injury front. And it's just a shame because I think Brent the fans are thinking that we're not really seeing the full potential of the side. And you know i mean I'm excited by what the full potential could be because you know we are still doing OK. But I do think there's another level that we could get to. And it's just injuries are holding us back a little bit. But apart from that, I think the fixture list has dictated our form a little bit as well. I think
00:15:05
Speaker
you know at the start of the season we had home games and all the all these home wins that we had at the start of the season were against yourselves, they were against Ipswich, they were against Leicester. They were against Palace, they were against Wolves. So, you know, the bottom five or six, essentially, we played them all at home at the beginning of the season. And we, that's where the majority of our points have come from. So more recently, obviously we've had Arsenal at home last night, Forest at home, who are very, very good this season, very defensively solid and and just very difficult to, to even create many chances against. We've been to Chelsea, we've been to Brighton, we got a point in Brighton, but
00:15:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's tough fixes. I mean, our last victory was home to Newcastle, which is a very good win in itself because since then they've won pretty much every game. So I think it's partly down to form as well as the injuries. And yeah, we saw you go in front against Arsenal. And I mean, what's the goal scoring been like if you're struggling with these injuries? is that still sort of fluid and joined together or is that main sort of groupings of players an unfamiliarity been part of the problem? I think the injury front this year is more defensively and obviously we've always lacked the depth of fallback when our first choices are out and then
00:16:25
Speaker
recently, apart from Nathan Collins, every other centre back has been injured at some point in the last few weeks. you know If um something was to happen to either Collins or Vandenberg at the weekend, then the centre back on the bench that would replace them is a 19-year-old from South Korea who's played a few minutes in the Premier League, but only in the last week because of all the injuries we've had. so yeah we we're a bit low at the at the back I think against Arsenal we probably would have played about five if we had a third centre back and we had to go with about four ultimately because because of the of the lack of other availability I mean again against you guys we' so we'll set up with about four anyway it's only really against a big six that we we set up with about five in terms of going forward I think we're still quite fluid and dynamic I think
00:17:18
Speaker
I would have liked someone like Tiago to be available again against the better sides where we need to go a bit longer. And he's like an, an outball, someone who can, you know, go up with the opportunity to set in the back and hopefully just get us up the pitch. But against teams more in and around us, we are trying to play a bit more football again.
00:17:36
Speaker
And if you get it into Dam's guard, I think it's been our best player this season. I think most things that we do well goes
Match Predictions and Team Strengths
00:17:43
Speaker
through him. If, if we can get him on the ball in good positions and then the likes of Brian and Bruma, Johan Whistler and probably Kevin Shada running off of it in all, in all different directions, I'm confident that he'll find them and that we can be dangerous going forwards. Although again, you could say that we've been much more dangerous at home than we have been away this season. But again, I think that's partly down to the fix of this.
00:18:04
Speaker
If you're looking for a centre back, I've heard there's this guy called Jack Stevens, who might be available. No, I'm not sure. I'll take that. No, you've got two red cards this season. But I think you're probably, well, looking, obviously, I know we'll talk store predictions probably a little bit later or after the break, but historically, you've beaten us in the last four games by more than two goals, three of those games being three goals. So, like,
00:18:35
Speaker
i think that you probably will be okay if i'm totally honest that you know what bias i'm showing my negativity that greg gets so upset about yeah it's yeah it's one that it's going to be interesting from our perspective i guess because it's the first time our new manager had a full week on the training bitch but feel like it's cautious optimism all around.
00:18:59
Speaker
ah
00:19:01
Speaker
Okay, ah so as Zach alluded to, after the break we'll come back with our our score predictions and how we think it's going to play out at the weekend. First a message from our partners at Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:19:15
Speaker
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00:19:32
Speaker
Okay, so yeah, before the break, I said the weekend because I still don't know what day it is, but it is on Saturday the game. I've checked, but going down is fine. Off to St Mary's. ah Daniel, you say you'll be at the game, are you you sort of heading down early? or or Yeah I'll head down early, make a day of it. i just see there's like It's like a museum somewhere in Southampton and there's the council of estate you have to walk through before you get to the stadium. You've got the fan zone where you're sitting in what used to be a car park and they've opened the new pub which they spent a lot of money on instead of a striker. You can tell I'm not better. yeah that be It should be good, um it's usually a good atmosphere around St Mary's to be fair.
00:20:19
Speaker
and All right, as the away team, Daniel, through to you first. How do you see it playing out on Saturday? I'm a little bit cautious because it was around this time last year that we went to Sheffield United and it was just a very dull game. We lost 1-0. And if injuries are to have an impact, then it could potentially be something similar, especially I'm a bit more wary with you guys under new management.
00:20:48
Speaker
I think obviously you would have had longer to prepare for this game, given that we played Wednesday night and you've had the week off and obviously it's his first real week on the training ground. And I suspect the first thing he'll want to do is make you guys tough to beat and just more solid. And if that happens and if the game, you know, has minimal chances, then, you know, perhaps you guys can nick it. But the other side of me says that we are playing a little bit differently this season.
00:21:18
Speaker
And we have done better this season against the sides in and around us or below us in the table. I think if we've done worse in any games, it's actually been against the better teams because we are trying to go a bit more toe to toe. And obviously we're still not at the level to do that. So I've got to back us in terms of our attacking strengths. I think Dam's guard is brilliant and Buma and Whissa can be brilliant. And I think.
00:21:44
Speaker
that could just overpower you I think even if you are trying to be quite solid I think that's definitely where our strength is whereas if you were able to take your chances and again like you said with your strikers and your personnel up front it might not be likely But if you are to create chances, and and there there will be chances, I think, in this game for you guys, but I will i will back Brentford, and I will say it'll be a first win on the road this season, and I will go... I'll go 3-1. I think you guys will score. I think you guys will score, and I think you will be tough to break down initially, but I think we have got... what we are We are one of the highest scorers in the Premier League.
00:22:26
Speaker
I think, yeah, I can see us breaking you down with with those three in particular that I've mentioned.
Podcast Wrap-up and Optimistic Predictions
00:22:33
Speaker
We do have a tendency for heads to drop at a certain point, so it's definitely not outside the scope of possibilities, Zach. Feeling positive, heads into the game. So it's a new year, had a week under a new manager.
00:22:46
Speaker
is he going to make us tough to beat? Are we going to scrape a 1-0 win? Are we finally going to see a tall pool goal? Because I think if that happens, the morale across the entire stadium, across the whole of Southampton will be boosted and then we'll sharp shop for the rest of the game and then we'll get a win and he'll get an interview. for you know It'll be incredible. Everyone will be really happy. We'll start to think that we're getting to Europe again as Greg likes to elude all the time.
00:23:13
Speaker
so So yeah, I obviously have a completely other different opinion to that. Just more in line with that. However, I'm going to stick with the one nil for you, Greg. Just this one. It could happen. It could. Really good. All right. I've come armed with a statistic straight off of BBC Sport. Right. Here we go. As a Premier League side, Southampton have won their first league game in three of the last four calendar years, including a 4-1 win over Brentford. So, ah even I'm not deludedly optimistic enough to predict 4-1, but I think, ah I don't see us keeping a clean sheet either, I think a 2-1 win is is what we're in store for. Greg, we still have one of those players that scored, which is absolutely wild, which is Jan Bednarek.
00:24:06
Speaker
There you go, what an insane throwback. But yeah, I'm feeling optimistic. we're We're back at the point of the week where the optimism is built and I'm ready to go down to some Aries and have that crushed out of me for another week. so This is the thing, this is like my secret mate is you just stay miserable forever. And then then then when it does finally happen, you're really happy.
00:24:32
Speaker
OK, well, that is just about all we've got time for. So thank you very much for listening, everyone. Daniel, thanks for joining us. I hope you have a good day out on Saturday, but not too good. And best of luck for the rest of the season. I hope that it becomes very enjoyable for you after Saturday. Thank you. I'll bring Kyle Walker Peters back with me. and You and every other team in the bottom 10, I think.
00:24:58
Speaker
as it Thank you very much. We've been the Daily Southampton and the Daily Brentford from the Global Sports Podcast Network and we will look forward to seeing you next time.