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Ep. 55: Machining, MacBooks, and Mild Panic
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In this episode of the Loan Machinist Podcast, Jamie and Curt dive into fixing machining problems from opposite sides of the planet, building spindle grippers for unattended automation, and discovering exactly how much force is too much force. Along the way, Jamie accidentally starts a small fire, Curt fights Windows’ refusal to stay awake, and both agree that modern operating systems might just be adware in disguise. Expect deep machining talk, real-world automation lessons, AliExpress economics, and the unexpected debut of the “butt plug driver.”
Links Discussed:
- Canada's lumber may go metric: https://youtu.be/V6HCKamszmw?si=49bLKRiOoZsR5SEz
- mega grip: https://www.maritool.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=mega+grip
- curts tumbler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Y3pJM1VEA
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Transcript
Introduction and Topics Overview
00:00:00
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loan Machinist Podcast, where it's just you, the work, and your machines. What have you got going on today, Kurt?
00:00:07
Curt
Today I'm going to talk about how you fixed my lathe from thousands and thousands of kilometers away, ah how my lottery code is magic, and how windows can sometimes be a pain.
00:00:12
jamie peacock
Skills.
00:00:18
Curt
How about you? What are you going to talk about
00:00:20
jamie peacock
um buying cardboard squares which was quite surprising uh my plans for the spindle gripper that i built and if you buy an nmal only once a year it turns out the price goes up every time you buy it but yeah let's uh let's get into it how are you this fine morning kurt
00:00:35
Curt
Nice. I'm doing better.
Lathe Solutions and Automation
00:00:38
Curt
I'm doing better. i don't know if we're getting better at like, uh, dropping topics to like make people interested or if we're getting worse at it, but your topics have me interested.
00:00:47
jamie peacock
I think it it averages out.
00:00:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:00:49
jamie peacock
I'm very interested in your first topic. Like, I saw that you had updated the doc yesterday.
00:00:52
Curt
Yeah.
00:00:53
jamie peacock
I'm like, oh, no, I'm excited.
00:00:55
Curt
ah
00:00:55
jamie peacock
Like, very excited.
00:00:56
Curt
yeah
00:00:57
jamie peacock
So, yeah, you want to hop into that first topic of yours?
00:00:58
Curt
yeah but
00:01:01
jamie peacock
Because I've been curious for, like, two days now.
00:01:03
Curt
Yeah, you... Excuse me. i was talking about how I was doing, like, OD turning on my lathe, and right near... As I got near the headstock, I would have just, like, a slight change in finish, and it was nothing, like, super critical, but I'm trying to get, like, parts perfect off it, and so you were like, well, why don't you loosen, like, all the basically...
00:01:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:01:19
Curt
floating pillow blocks, whatnot, that hold the advancement screw and see if that reduces the binding or like maybe it's jostling the carriage.
00:01:23
jamie peacock
ah yeah
00:01:26
Curt
So I did that. And yeah, it helped. It didn't fix it perfectly, but it fixed like 75% of it. So yeah.
00:01:33
jamie peacock
okay yeah used to working craftsmanship machines
00:01:34
Curt
So yeah, by I appreciate it. It helped. I would, cause I was going to loosen it. Well, I was going to loosen the other side and I didn't even think I'm like, oh yeah, the headstock side, it might be, it just might be binding up. So yeah, that was a great suggestion. And it probably moved maybe 5 thou, but that's probably all it needed.
00:01:47
Curt
And yeah, much, much better. It's it's noticeable. It's notice. I mean, it's noticeable under a magnifying glass, but ah it did help. It probably reduced my workload by like, I don't know.
00:01:55
jamie peacock
It's quite noticeable.
00:01:57
Curt
Yeah. I mean, it probably knocked off an hour on a batch just in like hand finishing.
00:02:01
jamie peacock
ah that's yeah
00:02:02
Curt
I do. So yeah, it's like, it's not nothing. So, and it took me 10 minutes.
00:02:05
jamie peacock
Every little bit adds up.
00:02:06
Curt
Yeah. yeah so yeah That's how you fix.
00:02:07
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, that's very skilled. i was actually joking today on site with the customer about renting him a mac cardboard cutout so that his machine will always be intimidated and it will always just work.
00:02:20
jamie peacock
ah Because I'll pitch up and things just work. I'm i'm apparently very skilled at that. But which one of my many topics do you want to dive into, Kurt?
00:02:20
Curt
That's awesome.
00:02:29
Curt
h um i am most There's two I'm super interested in, but let's start with, um let's go with the, I want to go with the spindle gripper. That's super interesting.
00:02:42
Curt
Tell us about
00:02:42
jamie peacock
Okay, cool. So my intentions for the year, I've got a lot of stuff that's short cycle time op ones that I don't want to stand at the machine for. So I had a chat to my to my mate Dave who builds the drones.
00:02:56
jamie peacock
He's busy finishing up the first one. His goal is by the end of next month to be making 10 a month. So that means 160 components with like a sub four minute op one cycle.
00:03:07
jamie peacock
And it's up on cycle. ah ah It doesn't need to be loaded super precisely. it I've got millimeters of spare material around the part. um So I'm like, screw that. That needs to run at night.
00:03:19
jamie peacock
So going to implement the spindle gripper.
Maximizing Machine Usage and Efficiency
00:03:22
jamie peacock
And well, that's another one of the, don't know, it's one of the things in my Google box. that i looked so I was looking at gimbal automation.
00:03:31
jamie peacock
And their solutions, their single-op solutions, they don't ship to South Africa. At least their website says, well, doesn't have the option. So I started looking around and SilverCNC do a pneumatic vise for $850 shipped to South Africa.
00:03:42
Curt
okay yeah that's yeah that's cheap
00:03:46
jamie peacock
So pretty freaking cheap. Their model is also a very complete answer for the CAD model today. It's got everything except the actual piston geometry, like all the sliding geometries there. So if i wanted to knock it off, I could.
00:03:57
Curt
oh nice
00:03:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, just going to buy one. The idea is that I'm going to make a um a really big harbor pallet with the vase over one of the anchor points, and then the rest of the area I can stack material and effectively have the spindle gripper load and unload op ones and the idea is to set up a different set of tool holders with tools that are dedicated to these operations that, okay, cool, I'm running this.
00:04:24
jamie peacock
It's five o'clock. I'm running this job. Load the pallets in, connect up the airlines, load all the tools in, hit go, and it just runs. So this week asked you for your for your macros, ah for your tool counting macros so I could see how it was formatted because I was going to write my own one, but then I got chatting to Matt from Blackwell Engineering.
00:04:32
Curt
Okay, yeah.
00:04:41
jamie peacock
We're going chat later in the week about his macros because he's writing... somewhat universal macros and a web you are for for quickly setting up new picking batches and it's all written in macro b so yeah you can have a chat with him and see about trying to run that on the siemens controller
00:04:55
Curt
okay yeah
00:05:02
Curt
Interesting.
00:05:02
jamie peacock
So yeah, but the idea, like 160 parts a month, it's I think that's over four part numbers, that they've all got super short cycle times.
00:05:02
Curt
Yeah, that'd be useful. Yeah.
00:05:12
jamie peacock
So I want that to run in the evening. when I don't want to stand and load a part every two minutes. That's just, it's not fun.
00:05:16
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
00:05:17
jamie peacock
So i want I want the robot to be doing that. So spindle gripping, thinking about macros, built the gripper already, because the grip is the easy part. The macros are the difficult part. And then I took an angle grinder to a tool holder, old EI-11 5-inch gauge that I had that the threads had cracked.
00:05:35
jamie peacock
So I ground it off, put it in the lathe, turned the face down. It was hard, but not that hard. um And then that interfaces with the with the back of the gripper.
00:05:41
Curt
Oh,
00:05:45
jamie peacock
And then also made a small fire. Um, so i was grounded off, um, because my cousin and Carl and Carl came through for lunch on Saturday.
00:05:45
Curt
okay.
00:05:48
Curt
Oh, no.
00:05:54
jamie peacock
He had my grinder. So he brought my grinder through. I ground the thing off and he needed the grinder. we went inside, had a cup of coffee. I was letting them out and I walked into the ocean. like, it's quite smoky in here still. Walk around, there's a piece of smoldering paper towel.
00:06:06
Curt
Oh, no.
00:06:07
jamie peacock
i was like, hmm, cool.
00:06:07
Curt
oh no
00:06:08
jamie peacock
Let's stomp this out. Um, but yeah, the sparks basically set it on fire. So that is why I don't do grinding and welding in my workshop anymore.
00:06:16
Curt
Yeah, it seems like a good reason to. Yeah, for sure.
00:06:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, seems like a valid valid reason to stop doing that kind of shit in my workshop. So yeah, that was exciting. But yeah, that the spindle grip is going to be, i think it's going to be a lot of fun once it's integrated. And it'll take a lot of the the Jamie standing up machine things away.
00:06:32
Curt
Well, it's super cute. Like for people that are listening, it's like maybe fist sized if that.
00:06:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:06:37
Curt
And it's like, it's pretty because it's purple.
00:06:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's tiny. It's a MHZ216S. So it's a knockoff of the SMC little grippers. And they're cheap as beans off of AliExpress.
00:06:49
jamie peacock
I think these were like, if they were $10 each, it was a lot. Like they were super cheap.
00:06:54
Curt
Holy man.
00:06:54
jamie peacock
And you can get bigger ones.
00:06:55
Curt
Wow.
00:06:56
jamie peacock
and yeah So if this doesn't have enough force, I can just remachine this bottom piece and make a different one. Like it's really neither here nor there.
00:07:02
Curt
Right.
00:07:03
jamie peacock
It's not an expensive endeavor.
00:07:06
Curt
Well, that's a perfect application for it too. Like this the super short cycle.
00:07:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:07:10
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:11
jamie peacock
That's it. Like I've got a bunch of stuff, small components, even like the mag bases I make. They're, I think, a six minute or three minute cycle. It's six minutes for two. I'll let that take six minutes for one if it means I can load 20 and walk away and come back to 20 finished parts. The material cost is not significant.
00:07:28
jamie peacock
it If I scrap 20 of them, oh no. ah But the option to walk away is what I'm really after there.
00:07:36
Curt
Totally. Yeah, totally.
00:07:37
jamie peacock
So trying to trying to figure out how I'm going to meet my capacity requirements for the year.
00:07:37
Curt
Oh, sick.
00:07:42
Curt
the
00:07:43
jamie peacock
Because it is a very scary prospect right now.
00:07:48
Curt
Just on that job alone or just like all the other stuff that you have going on?
00:07:50
jamie peacock
No, no, just in general, because I haven't... ah kind of planned my year without taking into account of the recurring production stuff, because it hasn't been super recurring. And now it's recurring.
00:08:01
Curt
Okay.
00:08:02
jamie peacock
So, Yeah. Long fucking days, three machines running all the time, basically. But that also has its own upsides.
00:08:12
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:12
jamie peacock
So like money, yeah, money's great.
00:08:12
Curt
Cash. Yeah. Profit. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:16
jamie peacock
So yeah, like I actually spoke to i spoke to Dylan down at WD Hearn today about, he sent me a brochure for a Sano drill tap machine, also Zappo drill tap machine.
00:08:16
Curt
yeah
00:08:27
jamie peacock
It's a brand out of China that they bring in and they they may they service. So if there's issues, I can speak to them. It's not Sile.
00:08:35
Curt
Sure.
00:08:35
jamie peacock
It's a 600 millimeter drill tap sensor with 21 tools, 48 meter rapids, meets all the, it's double the length of yours.
00:08:44
Curt
yeah ah I know I'm just looking on my table here.
00:08:45
jamie peacock
ah Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:46
Curt
I'm like, oh, that's sizable.
00:08:47
jamie peacock
So it's it's the same as the, it's a robo-drill copy.
00:08:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:08:50
jamie peacock
They're all freaking robo-drill copies. um
00:08:52
Curt
Right.
00:08:52
jamie peacock
So asked him to give me a price on one of those with a Siemens controller. And it claims 15 kVA requirements, except the motors on it are the same size as the motors on the LK.
00:09:05
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:09:05
jamie peacock
The same kilowatt rating on each of the Axies. So I'm like, I think they're just bolstering that number to be on the safe side.
00:09:12
Curt
Yeah, potentially, yeah.
00:09:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, so, yeah, I'm willing to kind of roll the dice, worst case, I pull in a new cable and run it on its own feed. But yeah, so I'm waiting to find out pricing on that, because I think it's going to be significantly cheaper than the LK510, because the LKTC510 was bloody expensive compared to the Sino and the Sile.
00:09:33
Curt
And I mean, you were looking for like ah a little bit more of a compact unit anyways, so.
00:09:34
jamie peacock
Because, yeah.
00:09:38
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's not as compact as I'd like, but also lead time is potentially four to five months.
00:09:44
Curt
Ooh, okay.
00:09:44
jamie peacock
So, well, worst case, three months for them to finish it there, a month on the water and it's here.
00:09:45
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:51
jamie peacock
um Like, that's worst case. It may be a case of they've got one almost finished, just throw a new controller on and and it goes. But we're obviously looking at worst case scenarios.
00:09:57
Curt
All right.
00:09:58
jamie peacock
So, also got to plan out six months in advance for the machine. So, yeah, it was it was an interesting conversation with them today.
00:10:03
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:10:07
Curt
this That's cool. i'm like um'm I'm glad you're getting swamped with work. that's have That's always better than being on the other side of the coin.
00:10:12
jamie peacock
Yeah. Because definitely.
00:10:15
Curt
but
00:10:16
jamie peacock
And yeah, we've also got some other fancy new things coming to coming to the front, like ah the mechanical anchor points.
00:10:26
Curt
I know. i saw your I saw your stories on that. They look super pretty. i'm like you I'm amazed at the speed of what you like get things out. like it's It's rather impressive.
00:10:34
jamie peacock
Well, yeah, that... So that that whole thing was... thought up on the 27th while I was sitting in a car. I figured out the mechanism and we are now two weeks later and I have the first two beta units out.
00:10:48
Curt
Yeah, that's
00:10:49
jamie peacock
But
Product Development and Testing
00:10:50
Curt
quick.
00:10:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:10:50
jamie peacock
I dilly-dallyed a little bit.
00:10:52
jamie peacock
um yeah So there's there's one heading overseas currently for testing and then I've got the one that i'm going to play with and then I've got another one that isn't anodized that I took an impact driver to.
00:11:04
jamie peacock
and tightened it as tight as it would go.
00:11:04
Curt
Oh,
00:11:06
jamie peacock
it Turns out when you put 2,500 pounds of pull force on a BT-30 pull stud, the balls that are used for retention mechanism ding the pull stud quite severely.
00:11:17
Curt
OK. was wondering where the failure point would be or like what it is.
00:11:19
jamie peacock
That's also double the rating of the BT-30 pull stud.
00:11:24
Curt
okay well, fair then.
00:11:25
jamie peacock
Yes, I literally had stuff in case my load cell shot off because it was in my fourth axis.
00:11:25
Curt
and
00:11:29
jamie peacock
That was at 70 newton meters of torque that I got it there with a torque wrench.
00:11:35
Curt
Okay, it's, I mean, it's not like a...
00:11:35
jamie peacock
like you can't You can't actually get it well reasonably. You can't get it to the max load with a normal length Allen wrench with your hand. So the max the max is 14 Newton meters.
00:11:45
Curt
Right, yeah, that makes sense, yeah.
00:11:47
jamie peacock
That'll get you 600 kilograms of holding force. um If you go to the recommended 22... Sorry, say and I'm trying to think what are what I wrote on the freaking thing.
00:11:59
jamie peacock
One moment while I load the thing I engraved this morning that I can't remember. Um...
00:12:04
Curt
yeah
00:12:06
jamie peacock
12 to 20 Newton meters, 20 Newton meters, you can do with the wrench, 40 Newton meters, which is the max, you can't do with a standard Allen key.
00:12:13
jamie peacock
Like you need a fucking bar.
00:12:14
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:12:14
Curt
Well, it's kind of idiot-proof, yeah.
00:12:16
jamie peacock
So and 40 Newton meters, obviously went up to like 70, and then loosened and 70 again, and again, and again, and again, then with the impact driver in an arts and and out and out and out. There's no signs of way on the on the mechanism.
00:12:30
jamie peacock
Like it's smooth as fuck.
00:12:30
Curt
Oh, sick.
00:12:30
Curt
Okay, cool.
00:12:32
jamie peacock
It just smoothed itself out and carried on. So it seems to work pretty well.
00:12:38
Curt
And this is just the aluminum threads in the body, like not helicoiled or anything.
00:12:41
jamie peacock
Yeah, not just, it's M16, like, you can put a shitload of force through there before it's going to fail.
00:12:42
Curt
Sick. Cool. ah Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:47
jamie peacock
But what I did learn is that I need to thread mill those threads so that they are square to the bore.
00:12:48
Curt
Oh,
00:12:52
jamie peacock
Because I hand tapped them with an adjustable wrench because i didn't have a tap wrench. And the one, my one, the threads were skewed. So the grub screw wouldn't go because reduced the front of the grub screw.
00:13:02
jamie peacock
It wouldn't go in.
00:13:04
Curt
ah right, right, right.
00:13:05
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:13:05
Curt
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:06
jamie peacock
Because I was cheap and didn't buy a thread mill because thread mills are expensive. And I'm poor.
00:13:10
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:11
jamie peacock
Like, that's on the list of shit to buy when those go into production.
00:13:11
Curt
yeah
00:13:15
Curt
Yeah, those things can get spendy, but yeah, it's, I mean, sixty like you said, 16 mil, that's a lot of that's a lot of meat, so yeah.
00:13:17
jamie peacock
Yeah. no it's ah It's a 2mm pitch thread.
00:13:20
Curt
Cool. I'm glad that worked out.
00:13:22
jamie peacock
It's like, there's a lot of engagement there. And the thread's engaging on about 16mm of thread.
00:13:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:13:28
jamie peacock
So, it's a 50mm grub screw that I turned down the front of, but it's 16 by 16.
00:13:29
Curt
Okay, okay.
00:13:34
jamie peacock
It's a lot of... You're not going to strip it out anytime soon.
00:13:38
Curt
That's cool. That's cool. I'm glad that worked out well.
00:13:39
jamie peacock
But yeah. I think those are going to go next week to a pre-order like I did for the anchor point just to try and gauge numbers. And then we are we are releasing them in February.
00:13:48
Curt
Yeah, yeah,
00:13:50
jamie peacock
that That is happening. I just want to try and get an idea of how many I need to make.
00:13:56
Curt
Yeah, that's logical.
00:13:57
jamie peacock
They're also at a slightly lower price point because there's less bits and pieces.
00:13:57
Curt
That makes sense.
00:14:01
Curt
Cool. Cool. That's...
00:14:03
jamie peacock
So yeah, more information coming.
00:14:04
Curt
Well, yeah. And that's probably...
00:14:05
jamie peacock
if If you want info, go sign up to the newsletter on our website. Yeah.
00:14:10
Curt
And I think that's going to suit people really well for, like, not having to run another airline to your table and, like, reducing the complexity and the cost a little bit yeah.
00:14:15
jamie peacock
Apparently people are scared of air. Like the more people I speak to, the more i realize people are shit scared of airlines.
00:14:19
Curt
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:14:22
jamie peacock
And I don't really understand it, but whatever.
00:14:25
jamie peacock
It's got more gripping force. So mine's going on the fourth axis for doing things at an angle. And then, yeah, because then you can go from anchor point to anchor point.
00:14:25
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:31
Curt
Right.
00:14:36
jamie peacock
So you machine the end and then machine the sides on the rotary.
00:14:40
Curt
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like a.
00:14:42
jamie peacock
That's at least then the plan.
00:14:44
Curt
like a more sophisticated version of like AJ's not a fourth axis whatever when he had yeah have a bunch of plates mounted.
00:14:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, exactly.
00:14:50
Curt
like Yeah, yeah.
00:14:50
jamie peacock
Well, even if if you wanted to do not ah not a fourth act or not a five axis, you could put an angle plate and put it on an angle plate, and then you can put multiple holes in the bottom and index.
00:14:55
Curt
Or five-axis, yeah.
00:15:01
Curt
Sure. Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:15:01
jamie peacock
Because there's nothing stopping you from putting 20 holes in the bottom of the anchor point and indexing on 18 degree increments.
00:15:08
Curt
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right.
00:15:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, I've literally done that for a job before.
00:15:09
Curt
Yeah,
00:15:13
Curt
yeah.
00:15:13
jamie peacock
So like the yacht where there's a will, there's a way.
00:15:16
Curt
Cool. I'm glad i'mm glad that worked out.
00:15:17
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's yeah that went through that went through really quickly, like actually making them.
00:15:19
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:24
Curt
Yeah, I mean, I kind of assumed you'd have like a few iterations to get it all dialed, but yeah, that's that's awesome.
00:15:30
jamie peacock
Jamie's Yolo engineering. No, it worked worked really, really well. And like the manufacturing process, I'm pretty happy with. It needs to move from the three jaw chuck to collared chucks when I go into production. So I've got to buy all the collared chucks that I need for the good way.
00:15:43
jamie peacock
But that's also, it's neither here nor there.
00:15:44
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:15:45
jamie peacock
Like it's just buy things and then you have them. um
00:15:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:49
jamie peacock
And yeah, like signs of no signs away. was quite impressed.
00:15:53
Curt
Interesting.
00:15:53
jamie peacock
So yeah, and it wasn't like I cycled it once.
00:15:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:56
jamie peacock
I cycled it a good many times.
00:16:00
Curt
Did you see, because you said you have the load cell. did you have the load cell for like the destructive testing?
00:16:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, except I couldn't go hard enough to break the pull stud.
00:16:12
Curt
OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:13
jamie peacock
it There's only so far you can go with it like 70 Newton meters. I wasn't going to push it beyond 70 Newton meters. I mean, that's nearly double the rated torque.
00:16:24
Curt
Right, right.
00:16:24
jamie peacock
So I'm like, that's fine. And then I swapped pull studs to a fresh pull stud.
00:16:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:28
jamie peacock
But yeah, the load cell revealed some interesting things. So according to my my maths, anchor point should have been holding with about 300 kilos of force.
00:16:39
jamie peacock
It's only holding with 150.
00:16:42
Curt
Oh, wow. Okay. Okay.
00:16:43
jamie peacock
Yeah, like but it needs all that. So I ended up, when i when I was setting how much force I could get, I was shimming the inside of the piston to see how much shallower I could make the piston cutouts until it wouldn't unclamp worth like 90 PSR.
00:16:59
jamie peacock
So that was actually the limiting factor.
00:17:00
Curt
OK.
00:17:01
jamie peacock
And then I calculated what the spring compression should be, and that gave me what I thought the clamping force was. It's not. It's only 150 Very consistently kilos, but kilos.
00:17:12
jamie peacock
Like across eight, nine units that are measured, it's a hundred between 148 and 155 kgs of holding force.
00:17:13
Curt
OK. Oh,
00:17:21
Curt
oh wow. OK.
00:17:22
jamie peacock
Yeah, so super consistent.
00:17:23
Curt
OK, that's nice and consistent. Yeah, yeah.
00:17:24
jamie peacock
Yeah. now going into, I'm going to put the load cell in the assembly room. And as part of the assembly process, we just validate that it's holding with the right amount of force.
00:17:35
jamie peacock
And also on the mechanicals, I want to run them up to 600 kgs of force and then back down and then up and back down a few. to Just cycle them a few times just to get them running like smooth out any shit on the end of the grub screw.
00:17:48
jamie peacock
basically just force it smooth.
00:17:48
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:17:50
jamie peacock
And then it becomes so like I noticed the first time I clamped, I got say, on 10 newton meters, I got 200 kilograms. And then I released it. I then pushed it up a bit high when I came back and went to 10 newton meters are getting like 300 kilos.
00:18:04
jamie peacock
So it's just comes down to wearing everything in So I'm just going to speed cycle them a little bit when I assemble them to get them consistent in the range because they all get covered in anti seas and whatnot on the threads.
00:18:08
Curt
Right.
00:18:17
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:18:17
jamie peacock
to just try and prolong them. But yeah, pretty happy with the with the mechanical anchor points and with the testing on the on the the normal anchor points.
00:18:23
Curt
That's awesome.
00:18:27
jamie peacock
i'm like, they work. It's a bit less force than I was hoping, but they work. They've been working for a year and a bit.
00:18:36
Curt
Yeah. one
00:18:36
jamie peacock
No, they've been... How long have they been working for? um It's got to be coming up on nearly two years that I've had an anchor point in my machine.
00:18:46
Curt
Well, and you're machining the whole body of the anchor point on an anchor point, which is, it's a sort of five inch chunk, like a hundred or a hundred mil chunk of aluminum.
00:18:49
jamie peacock
On the anchor point, yeah
00:18:55
jamie peacock
yeah. Yeah, 116 square.
00:18:58
Curt
Yeah. So like, it's not a yeah it's not a tiny piece and you you're hitting it pretty hard.
00:18:58
jamie peacock
About two inches thick. Yeah.
00:19:03
Curt
So yeah.
00:19:04
jamie peacock
As hard as I can, yeah. The anchor point is coming up. It's 22 months that I've had one on my machine.
00:19:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:11
jamie peacock
Since V1, or since V2.
00:19:12
Curt
Interesting. Yeah.
00:19:13
jamie peacock
V1 never actually went to the machine. Since V2 has been 22 months.
00:19:18
Curt
Yeah, so obviously it works.
00:19:18
jamie peacock
aye
00:19:19
Curt
Oh yeah.
00:19:19
jamie peacock
It works like and I know where the limit is and I run right up into it. a that Yeah, ah it's fun. It's a functional product. Let's put it that way. The mechanicals got a lot more holding force. It even sounds different when you skim the bottom.
00:19:34
Curt
Oh yeah.
00:19:35
jamie peacock
It even sounds a bit more rigid.
00:19:35
Curt
Interesting.
00:19:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, because it it is more rigid.
00:19:39
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense, but.
00:19:40
jamie peacock
No, but I had to make I had to print a butt plug driver last night to tighten the butt plug on the bottom. So there's a a threaded cap on the bottom to hold the spring. so there's a single dial spring that when you back the screw off, it goes up and releases.
00:19:55
jamie peacock
So there's a butt plug that screws in there.
00:19:56
Curt
Okay.
00:19:57
jamie peacock
I made a little thing with four pins to drive it. So I just printed it and pressed little aluminum pins into it. But it's called the butt plug driver.
00:20:03
Curt
Oh, nice. yeah
00:20:05
jamie peacock
yeah I'm making new ah new production sheets and it's the part is called the butt plug.
00:20:11
Curt
Nice. Nice.
00:20:13
jamie peacock
But yeah, that it came out it came out really nice. so I'm kind of tempted to just poke some holes on the bottom of it to reduce the weight a little bit. But don't know. We'll see if I if i'm bother doing that. It's going to make anodizing issues.
00:20:25
jamie peacock
So then I've got to make caps.
00:20:26
Curt
Right.
00:20:26
jamie peacock
And do I want to actually make caps as well? Not really.
00:20:30
Curt
Yeah, and how much are you going to reduce weight-wise? like Probably pretty insignificant.
00:20:34
jamie peacock
A bit, but not worth it. i'm gonna I'll weigh my one when I'll bring it inside and just see where it comes in weight-wise compared to the original anchor point.
00:20:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:44
jamie peacock
Because obviously shipping and weight is a is a thing.
00:20:45
Curt
Right.
00:20:48
Curt
Okay, yeah, i okay, I see for that.
00:20:49
jamie peacock
But if it's half a kilo, it's going make no difference.
00:20:50
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:54
Curt
Right, totally, yeah.
00:20:54
jamie peacock
So, yeah. I'm also planning on making a harbor pallet with a single mechanical in the middle. for when I want to do something with high holding force I can hold it between all four anchor points on my table and then have a high holding force anchor point in the middle
00:21:02
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:21:10
Curt
How would you tighten? Oh, I guess if you're not plating the entire span.
00:21:13
jamie peacock
yeah yeah no it would be for holding something small but rigid
00:21:15
Curt
It's like, how do you tighten the middle one?
00:21:19
Curt
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:21:20
jamie peacock
or long driver so i'm actually thinking the mechanicals will probably ship with an eight millimeter hex to um half a quarter inch drive sockets so that people can because i mean america let's be real eight millimeters not a thing uh so i'm thinking i'm going to ship them with a little hexing adapter for a normal wrench like a normal little torque wrench
00:21:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:44
jamie peacock
because those square drives are pretty standard and they're not, it's not expensive to buy a a decent little driver.
00:21:44
Curt
That's like a nice, yeah.
00:21:50
jamie peacock
So i think I might just buy a bunch of those and then ship with them.
00:21:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:53
jamie peacock
Also, the Dyer Spring bought from China Land because I couldn't find it from my local spring guys.
00:21:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:59
jamie peacock
I went to go and just cost out ordering them.
00:22:00
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:22:02
jamie peacock
If I order 19 of them, the shipping $88. If order 20 the shipping $350.
00:22:10
jamie peacock
if i order twenty of them the shipping is three hundred and fifty dollars
00:22:15
Curt
Yeah. Okay.
00:22:15
jamie peacock
I will be doing many orders of 19 die springs at a time.
00:22:17
Curt
put that this yeah Yeah.
00:22:21
jamie peacock
It's just one of those things on AliExpress where you go over some imaginary threshold and the shipping gets silly.
00:22:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:22:27
Curt
Well, it's even ah like when I order from McMaster, I'll put stuff in my carts because they have like a few tiers of when they're changing the box size, obviously, or the weight.
00:22:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:22:34
jamie peacock
Yeah. And
00:22:35
Curt
I know it's not weight because ah the parts I order are like grams. um But anyways, yeah, I keep adding, adding, adding, adding. and I'm like, oh, OK, I can't add anymore because then it doubles the shipping.
00:22:41
jamie peacock
then it
00:22:44
Curt
Like I was reduced by one and good. So.
00:22:46
jamie peacock
I do the same thing when when buying stuff from China land.
00:22:51
Curt
Mm hmm.
00:22:51
jamie peacock
But all um
Tech Frustrations and Solutions
00:22:52
Curt
Oh, that's awesome.
00:22:53
jamie peacock
ah yeah.
00:22:54
jamie peacock
You need to tell me why Windows sucks.
00:22:57
Curt
Okay. um So messing around with like all these ah there's various crypto things and whatever. I'm pissed around with this PC. I was like, okay, I don't want you to go to sleep.
00:23:08
Curt
So I'm like, okay, just I went into the settings and I said, you know, when are you going to go to sleep?
00:23:10
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:12
Curt
I'm like, never, never go to sleep. like, okay. Went about my business. Came back the next morning. I'm like, it's sleeping. Why are you sleeping? So I like, I check again. I'm like, no, all the settings are off. So I'm like, oh, maybe the screensaver. Cause like it's, you know, it's i'm like maybe it's driven by the graphics card.
00:23:24
Curt
then when the graphics card shuts down or something, like I don't know.
00:23:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:23:27
Curt
I'm like, okay, whatever. So I'll disable the screensaver. So it just goes black screen and just leave it as that. I tried again. And like, at night, go to sleep again. I'm like, what are you doing, PC? So I'm like, I checked every possible setting. I'm like, you should never go to sleep. And I don't know why you are. And anyways, I found there's a, actually, it's in my Google box too. um Or maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. Yeah.
00:23:47
jamie peacock
Windows power tools up.
00:23:47
Curt
um window Windows Power Tools, I had no idea this existed. And it has like a bajillion features that should just come standard with Windows that are like incredibly useful. And one is just like, keep awake no matter what.
00:23:58
Curt
like like
00:23:59
jamie peacock
So
00:23:59
Curt
So I used that and it fixed it, but it's just like, why?
00:24:02
jamie peacock
I'm at the point with with Windows that this PC we we're recording on.
00:24:03
Curt
Why?
00:24:07
jamie peacock
Do you know what Microsoft's suggestion is when I want to upgrade to Windows 11, which I have to do to use Fusion?
00:24:14
Curt
What's its ah what's it suggestion?
00:24:15
jamie peacock
He has recommendations to recycle your computer.
00:24:20
Curt
yeah Yeah, exactly.
00:24:21
jamie peacock
The CPU is on the supported fucking list.
00:24:21
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:24
jamie peacock
So I'm getting to yeah and no, literally is, I went and checked.
00:24:24
Curt
No, it's not.
00:24:28
jamie peacock
um So I'm getting to the point now where I'm like, cool, I think I'm just going to buy a MacBook Air and use that for work and move my work PC in here because I need Discord, um Chrome, and Fusion.
00:24:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:41
jamie peacock
That's all I use on a day-to-day basis.
00:24:42
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:43
jamie peacock
So I'm like, fuck that, I'm going buy a Mac. Like, Windows has made it so bad, I'm considering going to a Mac.
00:24:49
Curt
Yeah, no, I get it.
00:24:50
jamie peacock
It's sad. It's a sad day.
00:24:53
Curt
Well, it was, um which kind of leads slightly into my one of my topics of doing the lottery code. So I'm running the new lottery code on my system, which I'm super happy with. I probably put in two days of programming to make it happy, um like two full days.
00:25:09
Curt
um But I was, ah I was asking chat because it's all programmed in Python. um So I was, and I found a way to program better with chat because chat gets really confused.
00:25:14
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:18
Curt
If you put huge code into it, it starts to just like, what is, it's not a, what is that word? ah You were talking about it for toolpath um deterministic where you like, if you put in the same thing, it outputs.
00:25:27
jamie peacock
Yes. Yeah, it needs to give you the same answer, y'all.
00:25:29
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and obviously AIs don't do that. they like you
00:25:33
jamie peacock
No.
00:25:33
Curt
You can ask it the same thing and it'll give you code and change it every time. So when you when you're iterating on the code, it's constantly changing the entire code structure and you're like, this is impossible to debug.
00:25:43
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:45
Curt
So um anyways, I figured out if you did it and like I did it in a multiple scripts, but... having the uh i was asking i'm like oh like because i'm like you can run um like linux commands in windows and and uh so i was i was asking chat i'm like oh i'm like i have like sideloaded like linux should i just run this ah ah as a linux subsystem instead of like through command prompt whatever it's like oh most certainly it's like if you have the ability like don't use windows i'm like i love it when like an ai is like no fucking stay away from that doing linux it's way better yeah
00:26:16
jamie peacock
dude yeah windows windows winds me up to no fucking end at this point like every day do you want to back up to onedrive no i've clicked no and said remind me in a week and the next day do you want to upgrade to onedrive like it's like just off and leave me alone yeah
00:26:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:35
Curt
I just uninstalled all that. I just, I went through when I started this, I just deleted everything I could.
00:26:39
jamie peacock
yeah
00:26:40
Curt
Like I looked at, like I'm going to drive to alter the registry to like get permissions to do this. Cause I'm like, I'm i'm peeling all this away.
00:26:46
jamie peacock
The problem is they're going to do an update, then it'll all be back for you.
00:26:47
Curt
a hundred percent. Yeah, absolutely.
00:26:50
jamie peacock
It's great. Yeah.
00:26:50
Curt
But yeah, whatever.
00:26:51
jamie peacock
Fucking infuriating. It's adware at this point.
00:26:56
Curt
Yeah, yeah, I...
00:26:56
jamie peacock
But, don fucking yeah, the the problem is it the not technically technically savvy people get tricked into clicking shit they shouldn't click. Like clicking, yes, back my stuff up, and the next thing, all your files on your PC are gone.
00:27:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:27:10
jamie peacock
They're on OneDrive and not on your PC anymore. And if you, yeah, then... Yeah, it's dirty.
00:27:17
jamie peacock
The shit they're pulling is dirty. um And if I could go to Linux, I would go to Linux.
00:27:17
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:27:23
Curt
Dude, i'm I'm right in line with you. Yeah, I would 100%.
00:27:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, the problem is flipping fusion.
00:27:28
Curt
The one thing that actually conf confused me is confuses me is, it's like when I started this new PC, I have my programs, but they're not actually installed because it remembers my old build.
00:27:38
Curt
So I open my like program folder and I'm like, oh, cool.
00:27:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:41
Curt
I have Lightburn already on here. And then beside it, it says like install or sync or something. and i'm like, oh, you're not actually on here. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, but I don't want to install that version because it's not correct.
00:27:50
jamie peacock
That was...
00:27:53
Curt
And like, it's just weird. It makes it harder.
00:27:54
jamie peacock
when a When I bought my laptop, it wouldn't let me turn my laptop on without an internet connection. You need to connect to Wi-Fi to initialize your brand new machine you just fucking paid for because you need a Windows account and it can't be get fucked Bill Gates, Bill Gates eat a dick.
00:28:01
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:09
jamie peacock
None of those are available. They've all been used already. I tried. I tried every iteration of that to make my my username and it would not allow it.
00:28:14
Curt
yeah
00:28:18
jamie peacock
They've all been taken. It's like, I'm sorry, I bought this hardware now you're telling me I can't use it until I've signed into your spamware. ah Yeah. It's mildly infuriating.
00:28:30
jamie peacock
Let's put it that way.
00:28:31
Curt
Yeah. done Anyways.
00:28:32
jamie peacock
Like this PC was my gaming PC up until last year. the only reason it isn't my gaming pcna because I don't play games anymore on it. But it's a functional computer. Why would I recycle it?
00:28:42
jamie peacock
Like, why would I replace it?
00:28:42
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:44
jamie peacock
It's not fucked.
Production Planning and Equipment Upgrades
00:28:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:46
jamie peacock
So yeah, it's a little bit a little bit mildly infuriating. It'll get Linux shoved on it and it'll go downstairs for watching TV and playing whatever on the TV.
00:28:55
Curt
Well, I remember like way back in the day when I dropped Linux on systems, that was always like Linux is like on their main page.
00:28:55
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:59
Curt
It's like breathe new life into old hardware. Like it'll, it'll run snappy.
00:29:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:03
Curt
And like, and it was, it was true. Like you'd have an old little, like I had an old laptop and I dropped Linux on it.
00:29:05
jamie peacock
yeah
00:29:08
Curt
i'm like, this thing is like brand new. Like it flies.
00:29:10
jamie peacock
I'm running, I'm running the boon to on an atom that literally could barely run Windows 10. And it runs perfectly fine.
00:29:16
Curt
Totally. Yep.
00:29:17
jamie peacock
I use it for showing a trailer board, that's what did use it for. um And it works perfectly fine. I think I'm actually going to give it to my one customer because he wants to put a PC in his in his garage for pulling up pricing and stuff.
00:29:30
jamie peacock
So i'm like, yeah, just go onto your website on this. And there you go, there's a PC, you don't have to go bow and just have this thing, I'm not going to use it. Yeah, don
00:29:40
jamie peacock
Don't, yeah.
00:29:40
Curt
I know.
00:29:41
jamie peacock
I don't want to put things in e-waste.
00:29:41
Curt
I did the same thing.
00:29:42
Curt
I had a little... I had little Adam that I dropped Kali Linux on and then took it to the coffee shop to freak out my buddy to be like, oh yeah, when you're in a coffee shop and you're using the wifi, I'm like, check this out. And just like automatically pull up everyone's usernames and passwords, you know, as they're typing them in.
00:29:55
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:55
Curt
It's like, yeah, don't, don't do that here.
00:29:57
jamie peacock
Don't do that. if Yeah.
00:29:57
Curt
Don't log into your bank here.
00:29:58
Curt
Like it's not tunneled. Like it's, it's super easy.
00:30:01
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:02
Curt
Anyways, that's neither here nor there. um
00:30:04
jamie peacock
Yeah. The world is a scary place.
00:30:08
Curt
But the lottery code works stupid well.
00:30:10
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:30:10
Curt
So like I got a, I updated my website.
00:30:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, I saw your stories about it.
00:30:14
Curt
Yeah. So I know I talked about a billion times in the past of like, I had to get all the customers to basically re up, which is good because it killed a ton of like, I'm assuming dead accounts, um which was nice.
00:30:16
jamie peacock
It's really cool.
00:30:22
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:25
Curt
And then this time I asked for a ton of information from folks, um not personal information, just like what they were interested in whatnot, which was, I have did that a million years ago. Cause I put basically my like top, like I asked people what styles of pens they like and whatnot.
00:30:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:38
Curt
So I can base lottery systems off that.
00:30:40
Curt
But the really cool thing is I also asked them like what they're interested in. And I have a few products kind of in the mental pipeline and some of the physical pipeline, like this little fidget. um And I was like, you know what? I should gauge interest, you know, to see, to see what's most, what people are most interested in.
00:30:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:53
Curt
And ah yeah, it was like, it's definitely eyeopening to be like, oh, people are not interested in this one thing that I thought they might be and super interested in this thing that I didn't think they'd be in. So yeah, it was,
00:31:04
Curt
I think one of the highest rated ones, it was like exotic materials.
00:31:05
jamie peacock
It's, yeah.
00:31:07
Curt
And I was like, these won't be cheap. Like they're going to be four or $500 plus. And I had massive interest in that.
00:31:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:31:13
Curt
was like, okay, well that's something I'll pursue then.
00:31:14
jamie peacock
Mm, the fuck.
00:31:15
Curt
Yeah. So like.
00:31:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's interesting to see. That's something I've noticed this week with posting the mechanical version. Guys are way more interested in the mechanical version than the pneumatic version.
00:31:27
jamie peacock
Like way, way more interest just because they understand how it works.
00:31:28
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:31
jamie peacock
Titan bolted start, whereas pneumatics, it's full of wizardry.
00:31:33
Curt
Sure.
00:31:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:36
jamie peacock
So I've been very shocked by the by the amount of engagement I've got on the mechanical version.
00:31:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:31:42
jamie peacock
Like a my mind, mechanical, who cares? It's ah it's lame. I want air powered everything. But a lot of people apparently want the mechanical version.
00:31:51
Curt
But that, that goes down to like the base of like every product is like people want the minimum, like minimum amount of effort to implement.
00:31:58
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:31:59
Curt
So like if someone doesn't have air on their table or air in their machine, like it's way easier.
00:32:00
jamie peacock
Fair enough. Yeah.
00:32:03
Curt
Like I get it. Yeah.
00:32:04
jamie peacock
dangle a pipe in and it's done but yeah fair enough i'm not scared of pneumatics i used to build machines like pneumatics do not scare me in the least so i get why there's a bit of a barrier yeah i'm a unique i'm a snowflake
00:32:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:13
Curt
Yeah, but you're different. I mean, I think, i think us, I like, and I'll probably a lot of people that listen to this are are different fish. Like that's, we don't, that's, that's our wheelhouse, but some not so much.
00:32:22
jamie peacock
yeah yeah not no exactly like yeah not everyone is happy to just run airlines everywhere
00:32:26
Curt
So
00:32:31
Curt
yeah.
00:32:32
jamie peacock
ah to um
00:32:33
Curt
Yeah. So
00:32:34
jamie peacock
So I have a question for you.
00:32:37
Curt
yeah, man.
00:32:39
jamie peacock
We spoke a while ago. Did you say you set up a massive controller at work? we Well, we used to work with ATC and everything.
00:32:45
Curt
I did, yeah.
00:32:50
jamie peacock
I know you said you did the QR code scanning story.
00:32:54
Curt
Yeah, it had... um This one didn't have... It was like a wine rack tool changer.
00:33:00
jamie peacock
Yeah, perfect.
00:33:01
Curt
um
00:33:01
jamie peacock
That's what I'm setting up.
00:33:02
Curt
But it was also it was also like 20 feet long and had super slow rapids. So I just opted to basically come up in Zed and manual change because the guys always the cycles are low enough.
00:33:07
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah.
00:33:11
Curt
He was always there. Yeah.
00:33:13
jamie peacock
So we were retrofitting a nine foot long machine, nine by five or nine by four, like just big enough fit a full sheet on.
00:33:19
Curt
OK. Sure.
00:33:23
jamie peacock
So the the ATC rack is actually going to drop down pneumatically so that they can surface the whole bed and then it'll raise when we want to do a tool change, do the tool change, touch off the tool and then drop down again out of the way.
00:33:36
jamie peacock
um But yeah, um I was explaining him that we can use a curere barcode scanner and the guy can, you can have a folder, he opens a folder, shows a picture of where the material goes.
00:33:47
jamie peacock
Then they're saying their plywood varies in thickness. So I'm like, hey, just post code with all the different thicknesses. The guy scans the appropriate thickness, hits go.
00:33:52
Curt
Totally.
00:33:53
jamie peacock
Like we can make it pretty idiot proof.
00:33:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:56
jamie peacock
So yeah, I'm busy.
00:33:57
Curt
Yep.
00:33:57
jamie peacock
I was there today. I got introduced as the wizard. I'm like, yep, I'm definitely a wizard. um We're adding a fourth access to the router as well.
00:34:03
Curt
Nice.
00:34:07
Curt
Oh, cool. Cool.
00:34:07
jamie peacock
But yeah, that should be fun. it's a yeah It's one of those, you're not going to get rich doing retrofits, but it gives me budget to buy shit from places I shouldn't buy shit from while I'm ordering their stuff, like ordering their spindle and their tool holders, just throw a few extra tool holders in for me kind of story.
00:34:27
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:28
jamie peacock
And keen to play with Amasso. I've never played with Amasso. Well, ah I've played with Amasso. I've never installed Amasso. But as far as I understand, it's like a 20-minute setup if you know all your steps per rev and stuff.
00:34:35
Curt
Yeah. It's not difficult. it's it feels It feels like Linux with ah on easy mode.
00:34:41
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:34:44
Curt
like And it's not as obviously not as open, but it's it's not difficult.
00:34:46
jamie peacock
No, very much not.
00:34:47
Curt
You won't have troubles.
00:34:47
jamie peacock
But, yeah, poke through the signals.
00:34:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:50
jamie peacock
It shouldn't take me more than a day to get it set up and running. And, yeah, that's – yeah.
00:34:54
Curt
It's clean. I like their're like their board is nice. like Everything is isolated. Everything is very...
00:34:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:34:59
Curt
it's It's well done.
00:34:59
jamie peacock
Although one thing that is very, the very frustrating thing for me is the logic voltage for the external relay modules is a stupid voltage.
00:35:00
Curt
And if you buy the little add-ons...
00:35:08
jamie peacock
So if you use your own relay modules, you can blow the board.
00:35:12
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:13
jamie peacock
So you've got to use their ones.
00:35:13
Curt
We kind of got stick it out.
00:35:14
jamie peacock
So I was looking at buying locally. There's an agent here for the Masso stuff and I priced it all out. Let me just put this then paralyzer into dollar reduce. um Came to two and a thousand dollars.
00:35:30
jamie peacock
So I then went to Maso.eu. dot a I'm like, I don't mind importing stuff, put it in there. And it came in $1,134 the exact same components.
00:35:30
Curt
OK, yeah.
00:35:43
Curt
Oh, wow. Wow.
00:35:44
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm like, well, I was Australian dollars.
00:35:45
Curt
OK, so yeah.
00:35:47
jamie peacock
I was assuming it was close to US. No, it's like way less.
00:35:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:51
jamie peacock
So I was like, okay go I can't I'll just buy it from Australia then. Like, I'm not paying that much of a premium for it to come locally.
00:35:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:57
jamie peacock
I'm sorry. That's not happening. That meant it opened up a whole lot of budget in the in the project for buying more fun things.
00:36:05
Curt
Oh, cool. That helps.
00:36:07
jamie peacock
Well, I gave them a ballpark figure to do the retrofit with an ATC spindle out of China and a massive controller of like $5,400.
00:36:08
Curt
Yeah, I think.
00:36:16
jamie peacock
And then I was there today and they want do a fourth axis. And I'm like, with that, I'm like, you can keep it the same price and you get a fourth axis we buy the stuff from Australia. Like...
00:36:26
jamie peacock
I have the harmonic drive already.
00:36:26
Curt
Right.
00:36:27
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:28
jamie peacock
I don't have to shell out for it. I've got the servo for it already. I don't have to shell out for it. Like I'm charging you for it, but I have the stuff on hand. So I just pocket the money. It's great. And I get rid of some of the shit in my workshop.
00:36:38
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice, nice.
00:36:42
jamie peacock
Because I have an exorbitant amount of it.
00:36:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:45
jamie peacock
So speaking of not wanting to just throw shit away, continue our conversation from earlier, I was visiting commissioner.
00:36:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:53
jamie peacock
I bought Bertha from me. Also, he's running Bertha all the time now. It's quite fancy. Um,
00:36:57
Curt
Oh, perfect.
00:36:58
jamie peacock
Yeah, I know. He was trying to thread something. He having a bit of an issue. Then I'm like, no, why are you doing threads? It's going in soil. Do like a dog leg with a pin. So he drew it up. And I'm like, no, you need one on the other side as well. He's like, should hard out? Milling the first side's easy. How does he mill the second side? He doesn't have a fourth.
00:37:13
jamie peacock
I'm like, do you want to take the easy way out? He's like, what's the easy way? like, come visit me tomorrow. So he came through and I quickly milled it, indexed 180 on the fourth and milled the other side for him.
00:37:22
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:37:22
jamie peacock
hu Yeah, lazy way. But yeah, he went to actually deliver that. But he's got a job where he's got a thread five millimeter steel rod with a bend on the end.
00:37:33
jamie peacock
He's got a thread 50 millimeters on. So we were going to put it in a drill chuck and then feed it on his on the quill of his drill press down into dinette and then reverse it. And then I'm like, hang on, dude.
00:37:43
Curt
Okay.
00:37:44
jamie peacock
Why don't we just make a machine to do this? This apparently is going to be a high volume job for him. So you bend the things you drill them, then you put them and you just clamp them down. And we have a stepper motor with a die nut holder spinning and you just feed in, hits a limit switch and reverses out.
00:37:58
Curt
Oh, nice. Yeah,
00:37:58
jamie peacock
Yeah. So I was like hang on, I have a seven and a half Newton meter motor that the drivers fuck the motors fine. let's buy a drive and a power supply. See if you can reuse it If you can use reuse the motor, you can have it.
00:38:10
jamie peacock
And if he needs a linear guide, I'm like, I have a linear guide. It's going to go in the bin. Come take it. I don't want to throw it away because I see the value in it, but I just don't want to throw it away. don't need to receive anything for You can fucking have it.
00:38:22
jamie peacock
I just don't, I can't bring myself to throw it away.
00:38:22
Curt
yeah.
00:38:25
jamie peacock
And there's a bunch of shit like that.
00:38:25
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:26
jamie peacock
I can't bring myself to throw it away, but it's still got inherent value. So he's going to build a little Tappy Matron. And then I'll just go there one day and help him with an Arduino and chat GPT and just write some code up that you put the parts in, s slide it in.
00:38:38
jamie peacock
It starts threading. When it gets the end, it reverses and then just pulls out. And you so every time you walk past, you just swap a part because the guys want like 500 a month of these.
00:38:44
Curt
Nice. Nice, nice.
00:38:48
Curt
Okay, yeah, so it's enough to, yeah, warrant.
00:38:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, so making a dedicated machine like out of shit you got laying around, it's not not the end of the world.
00:38:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:55
jamie peacock
Like, cause I'm like, okay, cool.
00:38:56
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:57
jamie peacock
Do you have a piece of square tubing, like four inch square tubing? So yeah, like, cool. Use that as the bottom welder cap on the one end to hold the motor welder, half cap on the other end, fill it with oil. And then you can put a lock line to just flood the die nut with oil and wash all the shavings.
00:39:10
jamie peacock
And then the whole machine's built on a piece of square tubing and you just put on your table and let it run.
00:39:11
Curt
Sure. Yeah,
00:39:15
jamie peacock
So yeah, he's, he's going to be modeling that up tonight and then sending it through for my approval.
00:39:15
Curt
yeah.
00:39:20
jamie peacock
And then like, it's, it's not a complicated project, but you need to think out of the box to get to that solution.
00:39:21
Curt
Yeah,
00:39:26
Curt
yeah, yeah.
00:39:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:39:27
Curt
No.
00:39:29
jamie peacock
That was in my doc.
00:39:29
Curt
That's awesome.
00:39:30
jamie peacock
I don't know where it went. Oh, it's and it's in the other thing. It's in my Google box, searching past class for it.
00:39:37
jamie peacock
So I see I've got lots of things to go. So would you like to pick another one, Kurt, since you only have one left in your topic thing?
00:39:37
Curt
those Nice, nice.
00:39:47
Curt
Oh, yeah, let's see. Let's go with. um but but bla bla So, oh, oh, you're anodizing video. Let's go new anodizing video.
00:39:58
jamie peacock
Okay, so we're waiting for my lovely wife to edit the video for
00:39:58
Curt
What what about that?
Process Improvements and Innovations
00:40:02
jamie peacock
me. um I watched my old anodizing video, which is five years old, which is hilarious. um Going through my anodic, it's one of my higher viewed videos on my YouTube channel.
00:40:13
jamie peacock
ah went I went and watched it. I'm like, okay, there's a bunch of stuff that's changed. So using my new fancy phone rig, I filmed new vit all the clips for the new video, and then Danica is going to be putting it together, basically running through from start to finish my Anno setup and a little bit of an intro with me looking like a knob talking to the camera.
00:40:31
jamie peacock
But yeah, I got my lav mic working and all that stuff, so it it should be a decent quality video. But just basically running over my process for anodizing.
00:40:36
Curt
Nice.
00:40:39
jamie peacock
Because we're getting pretty decent and pretty consistent results now that everything is dialed in.
00:40:45
Curt
Yeah, well, ah that'll be useful. Yeah. so I mean, so I'm sure someone will find using it.
00:40:47
jamie peacock
Yeah. Also, du I've been asked by so many people in the last little while about anodizing. I'm like, I need to shoot an updated video now.
00:40:56
Curt
Yeah, you'll still be asked, but at least you have somewhere to point them to that that they won't watch.
00:40:57
jamie peacock
100%, but then I can point them at the video.
00:40:59
Curt
Yeah, they won't watch it, but let' still ask you questions.
00:41:00
jamie peacock
Yep.
00:41:01
Curt
here
00:41:02
jamie peacock
Yeah. So i also last week, while i was chatting to John, um i was looking into RO system or RO tanks, because I want to put a 180-liter RO tank in my workshop, a 200-liter wastewater tank outside. So when I make RO, the bypass water can be used to water the garden, basically.
00:41:21
Curt
Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:41:21
jamie peacock
um And then i was like, booster pump, all that stuff. And then I was like hang on, buy this tank, I can put it high enough that it'll be fine. and like, how much is a new RO setup? Because my RO setup, when I bought it five-ish years ago, was $250.
00:41:38
jamie peacock
I can buy a brand new RO setup for $94.
00:41:43
jamie peacock
So I'm just going to buy another one and build it to the side, like build this as a freestanding unit with the RO membrane on the side that ah it's all self-contained now.
00:41:45
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:52
jamie peacock
um
00:41:52
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I've been shopping for roto-molded tanks for in the workshop. because i want to have RO on hand.
00:41:57
Curt
m
00:41:58
jamie peacock
Because also then if we have a water outage or whatever, I've got water that I can drink.
00:42:04
Curt
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:04
jamie peacock
and And not a small amount. Like basically for what I paid for my RO filter set last time, I can buy the two tanks, the electronics and an RO filter.
00:42:14
Curt
Hmm.
00:42:15
jamie peacock
and build a whole new setup.
00:42:15
Curt
Hmm. Yeah.
00:42:16
jamie peacock
Because I'm going to put ah four pickups on the tank, or three pickups on the tank. So low level, which needs to change a color of a light or something and just tell me, hey, your water level's low. There's only like 50 liters left.
00:42:29
jamie peacock
And then the everything's OK level, and then the oh fuck, turn it off level.
00:42:36
Curt
Right, right.
00:42:36
jamie peacock
So I can just leave the RO system on. If it gets to turn it off level, it turns the solenoid off, the non-solenoid. Then I go turn the valve off. just so I can leave it to run and not have to think about it.
00:42:46
Curt
Right, right, right.
00:42:49
jamie peacock
And then I know it's fully topped off and I can i can monitor the the levels.
00:42:54
Curt
Yeah, yeah. No, that makes sense.
00:42:56
jamie peacock
So I'm planning on also doing that. um But that entails me rearranging the workshop a little bit more.
00:43:03
jamie peacock
Again.
00:43:04
Curt
Fun.
00:43:04
jamie peacock
Yeah, I like rearranging. It's fun.
00:43:07
Curt
Yeah, but you got so much space.
00:43:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, so there's space for days.
00:43:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:11
jamie peacock
I'm not actually sure that the new machine plans will actually fit in there, but just build a new workshop.
00:43:12
Curt
yeah
00:43:16
jamie peacock
It'll be fine.
00:43:17
Curt
Just keep going outside down your driveway.
00:43:21
jamie peacock
Well, problem my driveway does this. It's a downhill. It's a bit of a problem. um
00:43:25
Curt
Oh.
00:43:25
jamie peacock
The new shop is going to be just above road level. So it's a nice gentle uphill into the into the garl go onto to the workshop for moving machines in and out, that it's not a struggle with my little forklift.
00:43:32
Curt
Hmm. Okay.
00:43:36
jamie peacock
Because I will be getting a forklift, even though my wife, she, damn it. I forgot she runs us through ChatGPT to look for clips, and she searches for the word forklift every week to make sure I'm not promising that I'm going buy a forklift. Last time I said i was going to buy a forklift and not sell it, she gave me shit about it when she was editing the podcast.
00:43:53
Curt
um just wonder I'm going to bring it up in every podcast now.
00:43:53
jamie peacock
Yeah. but Yeah. So she she doesn't want me to get a forklift. She doesn't see the need for I'm like, lady, I will make a need for this. Don't you worry.
00:44:04
Curt
Yeah, yeah,
00:44:05
jamie peacock
I will make a need. um So you've seen my, wait, hang on. which Which anchor point do you have? You've still got, okay, you've got the fancy origami one. the The new packaging.
00:44:15
Curt
yes yeah yeah yeah
00:44:17
jamie peacock
I needed to make more packaging. So I like do our boxes for I think 36 rand a box and I get six anchor points, little cages out of each box.
00:44:28
jamie peacock
I'm like, it's got funny crease lines in the wrong places. Let me just see if I can buy cardboard squares the right size. Turns out i can buy them for six rand each cost me less to buy squares.
00:44:35
Curt
Oh,
00:44:38
jamie peacock
I get less wastage. I load square hit go. It cuts one out load square hit go cuts one out. So i was cut I think none of them this morning quickly. But yeah, turns out you can just order cardboard squares to the size you want.
00:44:51
Curt
and for the folks listening, you said six Rand, which is about one 20th of a dollar.
00:44:57
jamie peacock
Yeah, somewhere around there.
00:44:57
Curt
Or sorry, are the the conversion is about one one to 20. So six isn't like...
00:45:01
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, well, no, it's about 1 to 16 currently.
00:45:04
Curt
Okay, either way.
00:45:05
jamie peacock
It's very stressful for me selling things in dollars.
00:45:05
Curt
Either way. that's
00:45:09
Curt
It's pennies for a cardstock sheet.
00:45:10
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, ah I'll tell you now. Rand dollar is, so for six rand 37 cents.
00:45:17
Curt
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
00:45:19
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's cheap as beans. So turns out you can just buy pre-sized material out of cardboard for next to nothing.
00:45:22
Curt
Awesome.
00:45:27
jamie peacock
And then it makes makes a lot less wastage. That's the main thing.
00:45:33
Curt
was a That was honestly when I was working on my old job, I was telling my boss that a cool side business would be because we would buy so much sheet goods of like acrylic and like composite like signboards and like PVC and HTP.
00:45:47
Curt
I'm like, and we had so much scrap. I'm like, if all and like'm like I organize all our cuts, I'm like, we could probably get a few square feet of like, you know, 12 by 12 inch squares. I'm like, we should just cut them.
00:45:56
jamie peacock
Uh, yeah.
00:45:57
Curt
put them in big and just sell them on like Amazon for like a five pack of HTTP half inch.
00:45:57
jamie peacock
And sell them, yeah.
00:46:01
Curt
Like, cause people will buy them. Cause you like the average shop guy doesn't know like, where do you go and get, and you have to buy four by eight sheet of it.
00:46:03
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:07
Curt
I'm like, we could probably sell a ton of these. It just wasn't worth our, wasn't worth our time.
00:46:09
jamie peacock
Yeah. No, no, it's not worth your time.
00:46:11
Curt
But yeah. which
00:46:12
jamie peacock
Yeah. So like now and I want to see package. I'm like, okay, let me look into this way easier workflow. Also my laser cuts nicely now that it has a new power supply.
00:46:18
Curt
Cool.
00:46:20
jamie peacock
I stripped the old power supply to just see if maybe I could see something that exploded.
00:46:23
Curt
Right.
00:46:24
jamie peacock
Would you like to know what the problem was?
00:46:25
Curt
Yeah. Yes.
00:46:28
jamie peacock
Dust. There was so much dust and shit inside there that I think it was, it was adjusting the resistance of some of the resistors.
00:46:30
Curt
Oh, really?
00:46:37
Curt
Wow.
00:46:38
jamie peacock
So it got turfed anyway.
00:46:39
Curt
OK.
00:46:40
jamie peacock
I wanted to use the housing for upgrading the grinder. Ended up just printing a cover for the power splur. um But yeah, the laser's up and running again. and does It's still, I'm having to run at like 70% power, so the tube is definitely poked.
00:46:53
jamie peacock
But it still works for now.
00:46:53
Curt
OK.
00:46:54
jamie peacock
So the tube replacement can wait for a little bit.
00:46:57
Curt
Cool. Okay, well, I'm glad that fixed it.
00:46:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, I upgraded the grinder because I've been grinding anchor point pads because apparently that's the thing I need to do.
00:47:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:05
jamie peacock
um So I finally took the power sp supply out of the tupperware it was in, laying on my workbench, and mounted it to the column of the machine and put a cover over it.
00:47:16
jamie peacock
and put it on, ah I put on some two by fours just so that it would s sit level and wouldn't rock because the inertia of the table and the shift of mass was causing it to rock. So I just put it on blocks and got it that it's not moving anymore. And it grinds really, really well.
00:47:31
jamie peacock
And now I'm going to make it CNC.
00:47:34
Curt
Okay. what's Because you had it you had it automated to go back and forth, and you would just crank it.
00:47:36
jamie peacock
Because it takes me about, I had it automated, yeah, left and right.
00:47:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:42
jamie peacock
um My plan is now to go CNC on it.
00:47:45
Curt
Okay.
00:47:46
jamie peacock
because it takes me about 10 minutes to grind a pad and I don't want to stand there and do that.
00:47:51
Curt
yeah Yeah, fair. Okay, fair.
00:47:52
jamie peacock
So I want to basically um dust off the top of it, mark it, set the Z heart and say go and it can just grind itself down and set increments.
00:48:02
Curt
Oh, okay, okay.
00:48:03
jamie peacock
to the finish size up like full like literally i just touch off i'll grind the first thing manually or i'll grind a section manually mark the heart and then three pads in a row should be the same then i dress the stone and go again so yeah i have i have some sketchy workarounds to make that work for what i want to do um but yeah i've also bought my the guy bought bertha has the same surface grinder
00:48:03
Curt
So full, like... XYZ, which is weird. Yeah.
00:48:20
Curt
Okay. Yeah.
00:48:29
jamie peacock
And he mentioned to me a while ago, he's looking at maybe selling it. The Dutchman Squeezebox guys were here on the weekend and they want to start making their own reeds and they need to grind shim stock. to very specific thicknesses. So like you need a surface grinder.
00:48:44
jamie peacock
So I've sold them commercial surface grinder, taking the magnet off his grinder, putting it on my grinder, because these guys bought a smaller magnet for what they need to do. So playing musical magnets and things, and then going to make all the brackets because they want to CNC theirs.
00:48:54
Curt
Okay.
00:48:59
jamie peacock
So I'm going to make all the brackets to mount the motors, and then they'll handle their own CNC stuff. I'll handle my CNC stuff, but all the brackets are the same for the two machines.
00:49:08
Curt
Cool.
00:49:08
jamie peacock
Yeah, so.
00:49:09
Curt
I mean, works out then, yeah.
00:49:11
jamie peacock
Investing in things I probably shouldn't, but I like fanciness. Like, yeah.
00:49:15
Curt
Well, and you have the issue too of like getting equipment is not like, it's different in your neck of the woods.
00:49:22
jamie peacock
I can go a surface grinder tomorrow. There's like 10 places can go buy one. They're big, they're heavy, and cool, I've got a giant travel, and I need to make a fixture, and I can do eight or nine of the things at a time, but it's going to cost me 10x what it's going to cost me to automate that machine.
00:49:27
Curt
Okay. Sure.
00:49:37
jamie peacock
to go buy a new surface grinder.
00:49:38
Curt
Fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
00:49:39
jamie peacock
So for now, we will do it this way. And then maybe, maybe in the future, look at doing either five at a time or buying a different grinder.
00:49:42
Curt
yeah.
00:49:48
jamie peacock
Because I mean, that is always an option, buy your way out of your problems.
00:49:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:50
jamie peacock
But currently, I don't have the space to do that.
00:49:52
Curt
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:49:55
jamie peacock
Or the money to do it. Like, yeah.
00:49:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:58
jamie peacock
Don't have the money yet. Mechanical anchor point sales.
00:50:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:50:03
jamie peacock
Like, yeah. So that's, and then,
00:50:05
Curt
Yeah.
00:50:07
jamie peacock
I broke my end mill yesterday. My expensive rougher that's moved more than a ton of material in the almost year that I've had it.
00:50:12
Curt
Okay. Yeah.
00:50:18
jamie peacock
I've had it for 10 months. It's moved close on a ton of material. And yeah, this the little fucking thing, the first vote the first one I made, broke it.
00:50:28
Curt
Nice.
00:50:28
jamie peacock
I didn't clamp it nicely in Op 2 and it rocked and snapped the 10mm NMIL.
00:50:28
Curt
Nice.
00:50:33
jamie peacock
The price went from... it's like Okay, everyone's going to laugh at me now because I'm going tell you how expensive this NMIL is and bitch that it's expensive. It went from $124 to $178.
00:50:40
Curt
yeah
00:50:45
jamie peacock
It's
00:50:47
Curt
that's That's a sharp increase. Yeah. That's sharp increase.
00:50:49
jamie peacock
a fucking significant increase. But yeah, I'm going to pick one up tomorrow because I need it. They have one in stock at the local...
00:50:55
Curt
What's so special about it?
00:50:56
jamie peacock
ah No idea. It's an HMV NMIL and it works really well, so I will just pay money for it.
00:51:02
Curt
Sure. Yeah. I if you've got a ton of material out of it, yeah.
00:51:02
jamie peacock
i have risk I have recipes that run it to 99% spindle load continuously. So um like I looked, I could buy one from China for effectively the same cutter um for $35.
00:51:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:18
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:19
jamie peacock
But I've got to wait two weeks if I need another one.
00:51:20
Curt
But.
00:51:22
jamie peacock
I'll just go buy the one that I like. Because they'll order a replacement and they'll have one in stock for me if I need it.
00:51:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:27
jamie peacock
um Yeah. And it always breaks in stupid little jobs.
00:51:32
Curt
Yeah, of course.
00:51:32
jamie peacock
it never jump It never breaks like when you're doing proper legitimate jobs and not stupid little things.
00:51:32
Curt
Yeah, it's...
00:51:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:40
jamie peacock
So yeah luckily i had a I've got an 8mm version of it that I bought from China.
00:51:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:44
jamie peacock
So I just threw that in the machine and finished up what I was doing. But yeah, i was a little bit annoyed because think I might have fucked the collet up that it was in.
00:51:48
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:51:52
Curt
Ooh.
00:51:53
jamie peacock
But I think it's...
00:51:53
Curt
I just... Like an E...
00:51:54
jamie peacock
Yeah, just an ER.
00:51:54
Curt
ER. Okay.
00:51:56
jamie peacock
But I think it's going to go into my shunk hydraulic when I get the new one.
00:51:57
Curt
okay
00:52:01
Curt
Oh, okay. Well, that'd be, I mean, if you're getting that kind of life out of it, go nuts.
00:52:02
jamie peacock
My... Yeah.
00:52:05
Curt
yeah
00:52:05
jamie peacock
Well, I can only imagine what the life's going to be like if it's actually running true.
00:52:09
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:10
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:52:10
Curt
yeah
00:52:10
jamie peacock
And hydraulics damp a little bit. So I think this year is going to be a couple more hydraulic holders and definitely be a bunch more ER and DC holders in the workshop.
00:52:20
Curt
Yeah. yeah Fair.
00:52:22
jamie peacock
And if Maritool would ever list their MegaGrip stuff, I might decide to go that route.
00:52:22
Curt
That makes sense.
00:52:27
Curt
Yeah. That's kind of interesting stuff too. So. Hmm.
00:52:29
jamie peacock
Dude, like their price on their holders is $150 a I'll pay that. Like, I don't know what their collets going to cost.
00:52:35
Curt
m
00:52:37
jamie peacock
I think they said it would be up this week.
00:52:40
Curt
Cool. Yeah, I'll keep an eye on that because I'm interested too.
00:52:41
jamie peacock
yeah i'm gonna go look right now while i play this lovely jingle
00:52:49
Curt
on the podcast. then
00:52:56
jamie peacock
damn it it's not here yet so tell me about your your last one there i'm assuming it's referring to the book
00:53:04
Curt
Yeah, totally. ah Someone actually... Actually, I think a few people mentioned it to me. Just in our last podcast when we were talking about machines and efficiencies and stuff like that and how I was saying, like, yeah, like, I want to buy a Swiss, but at the same time, right now, if I had a Swiss, it would just i would just...
00:53:16
Curt
It would just bury me in parts that I can't finish fast enough.
00:53:18
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:20
Curt
Like, it just... I have to... I have to clean up my other end of the world of just like cleaning, anodizing, assembly, packaging, like the other, the other 50% of the work that ah making pens currently takes me. And like, anyways, people to just commented, I forgot who was exactly. It might've been actually Norman.
00:53:37
Curt
Um, he commented and was like, oh, like, yeah, like that is just something that people don't think about um in their in their own world of like, just being like, even like when I worked at my, like my old job, we had so many, like, it took me years to get ah like my, my area in that was just basically handling the ah big CNC routers and getting like our production,
00:53:59
Curt
to a point where it was consistent. So like the machine would initially run for like a week straight and then sit idle for a week, which is like, okay, well that's dumb.
00:54:07
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:08
Curt
Like it should be running the whole time. So you can just, and it took ah forever to finally get a flow that worked. I mean, we were a skeleton crew. We were startup. So there wasn't a lot of us, but. Like to get everything dialed to be like, okay, let's cut this slower.
00:54:21
Curt
Let's double the machine time on this specific part to take out all the stupid things that I to have to come back and like watch over just so that it can run unattended. Like dumb things that you don't think about were like, like, yeah, we could have had two machines and it would have solved the problem, but it also would have, it was dumb.
00:54:37
jamie peacock
made more, yeah made different problems like that.
00:54:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:39
jamie peacock
That's thing. It's you can, if you get your machine running efficiently, even what you with what you've got there, you can make yourself more parts than you could ever hope to finish in a month.
00:54:40
Curt
yeah
00:54:51
jamie peacock
Like the finishing is your current bottleneck, not the machining.
00:54:51
Curt
Well, totally.
00:54:55
Curt
Well, and the, I mean, that was actually the part of the the lottery code that I built too, is now like I, and the reason I spent so much extra time on this is it, my lottery is it' a form and then it goes into Google Sheets.
Community Engagement and Content Updates
00:55:06
Curt
So the actual like scripts I run go and they download the Google Sheets, like they use an API to go into Google, download it, bring it locally, do all the math.
00:55:09
jamie peacock
Yes. Yeah.
00:55:14
Curt
Cause I'm doing a shit ton of math on it. highlight people, break up the emails into like separate like CVS files that I can import into my like auto emailer and then save it all and then re-upload it back to Drive um with one click, which is like, so I just, I basically be like, I want, and it does at the same time, it does like checking for like email duplicates and like all kinds of weird ways that people try to enter multiple emails. And like, it just,
00:55:37
Curt
The stuff that I didn't realize would be like, oh, that that adds an extra you know hour or two hours to my workflow that I don't even consider. Because you're like, okay, now I just take these emails and I copy and I paste them here.
00:55:44
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:55:47
Curt
It's like well, why don't I just get this to automatically do it? and like
00:55:50
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:55:50
Curt
It's just less chance of error and just...
00:55:50
jamie peacock
Get it order magic.
00:55:52
Curt
Yeah, it's just like... And that's the thing I hate doing the most. I'm thinking i'm sure me and you are the same, is like admin stuff. Like just boring, stupid stuff that can be automated so easily in this day and age.
00:55:58
jamie peacock
Admin's the worst.
00:56:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:56:03
Curt
You know it's hard to automate? Machining things. Like... It's it's hard to automate picking up XYZ part and, you know, checking it for burrs. And like that part is much more difficult to automate than sending emails.
00:56:13
jamie peacock
That's... Yeah.
00:56:16
jamie peacock
Exactly, like automated. Well, that's why yeah I like Toolbox. But before I shout them out again, we need to shout out our Patreons because we're 15 minutes in and we haven't shouted them out.
00:56:24
jamie peacock
So the Patreons make the wheels on the train go round and round.
00:56:24
Curt
Ooh.
00:56:25
Curt
Ooh.
00:56:28
jamie peacock
We've decided we are train enthusiasts now. So choo choo.
00:56:31
Curt
yeah
00:56:32
jamie peacock
Yeah, big thank you to all the Patreons who helped make the wheels on the train round and round.
00:56:33
Curt
if you
00:56:37
jamie peacock
was just watching Kurt choke to death. um But yeah, special thanks to all the top tier Patreons. Jade from Benchmark20, Luke from Fabtastic, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing and 29 other companies, EJ from Octurnal Welding, Jason S, the Aussie Machinist, Christian Olson, Charles Watt, Carl from Cursed Machine, Matt from Offworld Gear, and Alex B. Thank you all. You are making it possible for us to not sleep on the street when we go to IMTS next year.
00:57:05
jamie peacock
Oh, nice train music. Yeah. Send me, we need to get a clip that we can add here for the, for the Patreon read. It's our soundboard.
00:57:11
Curt
So we go have we can have...
00:57:14
Curt
Oh, boy.
00:57:15
jamie peacock
oh Yeah. So I sent Kurt a bunch of sticker designs last week for basically all the, all the new shirts that are on the J on the J spec merch store.
00:57:20
Curt
Yes.
00:57:24
jamie peacock
I sent him all those, that artwork added his details to it. So when he does stickers, he can get some stickers printed and maybe send them to the Patriots who knows.
00:57:30
Curt
Yes.
00:57:32
Curt
That is the goal.
00:57:34
jamie peacock
That is the goal. At some point, we will do that.
00:57:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:37
jamie peacock
And yeah, all the Patreons are get to vote on names of machines, get Q&As, and also get the after show.
00:57:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:43
jamie peacock
with This week, who knows what we're going to talk about. Sure, it'll be something interesting. It always is. um But now I've lost my train of thought regarding whatever I was going to speak about after the Patreon read.
00:57:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:55
jamie peacock
shut roro so Oh, yes, Toolpath. Automating the easy stuff. I've gotten super lazy.
00:58:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:02
Curt
OK, how so?
00:58:02
jamie peacock
toolpath toolpath stupid little path just send us a toolpath bring it back down and uh run it like it's why am i gonna go and click on a million things when i can make toolpath through it it's great uh and speaking of toolpath 90 90 days for 90 dollars a relatively cheap way to get into it and check if it works for you before committing to it uh there's an affiliate link below because i'm a shell yes jamie the
00:58:05
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:09
Curt
but
00:58:15
Curt
No, that's the perfect, yeah.
00:58:24
Curt
Makes sense.
00:58:27
Curt
Ooh, nothing wrong with shilling a good product.
00:58:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, I thoroughly like it.
00:58:31
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:31
jamie peacock
Like, I actually don't want to go without it.
00:58:34
Curt
Yeah, well, perfect then.
00:58:35
jamie peacock
It's that useful. Like, yeah. I think i even even one of the parts on the AnkerPoint Mechanical is programmed with it, the butt plug, which I tagged Toolpath in, being shared, and then very quickly unshared when you realized the word butt plug was on the screen.
00:58:37
Curt
Perfect.
00:58:43
Curt
Ooh.
00:58:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:52
jamie peacock
Because I showed my controller, and it's got the name of
Toolpath and Algorithm Insights
00:58:55
jamie peacock
the program, and the program's called butt plug op 1.
00:58:55
Curt
Nice.
00:58:58
Curt
Nice. yeah
00:59:00
jamie peacock
uh yeah because jv's a little bit of a savage um but yeah there was there was one other thing and now can't remember what it is oh well um what is in your google box kurt oh wait hang on i remembered it i remembered it so my youtube feed has been fixed it now shows me kurt's videos occasionally and it showed me a video today of kurt's tumblr in which he said this is a temporary solution
00:59:04
Curt
Hey.
00:59:09
Curt
Yeah. Google boxes. and Shoot. Shoot.
00:59:24
Curt
Ooh.
00:59:28
Curt
oh
00:59:30
Curt
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:59:31
jamie peacock
four years ago.
00:59:32
Curt
Hey.
00:59:34
jamie peacock
I was watching, i like this is brilliant.
00:59:34
Curt
yeah
00:59:36
jamie peacock
You're making up like this is not going to be your permanent solution.
00:59:36
Curt
and
00:59:39
jamie peacock
You're still running the same Tumblr.
00:59:41
Curt
It wasn't supposed to work, and it wasn't supposed to last, and it doesn't die, so i keep using it. Yeah, I just don't.
00:59:47
jamie peacock
oh Yeah, it came across my feed while I was having lunch today.
00:59:49
Curt
We'll fix it. We'll fix that.
00:59:51
jamie peacock
And i'm like, ha I'm going to, I'm going to give you a shit about that today.
00:59:53
Curt
ah
00:59:56
jamie peacock
You made out like it's a temporary solution, which I thought was hilarious.
01:00:00
Curt
The funny thing is for the thousands of hours that thing has ran, it's got HTPE paddles inside.
01:00:05
jamie peacock
yeah
01:00:06
Curt
It's worn down the mounting bolts, like big half-inch bolts that mount it to a ah big um bearing on the backside. It's worn those down to the point where I basically can't take them out now because they're just like they're like carriage bolts.
01:00:16
jamie peacock
oh they just yeah domed dude i printed uh pla flaps for inside my one same thing wore bolts out those things are still mitts like the day i put them in it's insane
01:00:18
Curt
Yeah, it took all the hexes off them. it hasn't like The HTPE still has sharp edges. like Plastic is weird when it comes to abrasion.
01:00:29
Curt
Mm-hmm.
01:00:33
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. and And it's ceramic media, so it's pretty aggressive. Like, it's dune titanium.
01:00:39
jamie peacock
I was using literal stones, literal gravel from the hardware store has tumbling media in there.
01:00:39
Curt
And yeah, it's nuts. ah
01:00:45
jamie peacock
And they looked perfect when I threw it in the bin.
01:00:48
jamie peacock
Cause I kind of got over the tumblers. I just threw it in the bin. Um, but yeah anyway, what is, uh, in your Google search history?
01:00:48
Curt
Yeah.
01:00:52
Curt
Yeah. Anyway.
01:00:56
Curt
My Google search history, I have old Greg in there because my wife didn't know who old Greg was and i kept I kept bringing up things like, what are you doing in my water? Make an assessment. No, anyways, anyways if Google old Greg. It was a skit. um So I was showing her all those. She didn't find him as funny as I did. ah Sticker stuff because...
01:01:18
Curt
the stickers that you sent, um, I can get them printed in like a big sheet so I can get a bunch of different, instead of getting like just a shit ton of every variant, um, I can bulk print them and I can print them locally.
01:01:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:01:28
Curt
So that's more happy, ah cold wallet dealing with Bitcoin kind of stuff.
01:01:29
jamie peacock
Nice.
01:01:34
jamie peacock
I'm assuming that's an offline wallet.
01:01:34
Curt
Um,
01:01:37
Curt
Totally, yeah. yeah this is like When I get to a point where I don't want to...
01:01:38
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:01:41
Curt
like I don't want to keep all... Anyways, gold wallet is the way to go.
01:01:43
jamie peacock
Yep.
01:01:44
Curt
There's so many weird ways to do it. and i I have a giant machine so I can make all kinds of weird
AI Exploration and Literature Discussed
01:01:49
Curt
things. I can engrave my seed phrases into pieces of titanium or whatever I want to do. And then the machine will be uploaded to the internet and someone will find my seed phrase.
01:01:56
Curt
And yeah, anyways, um, salad AI, which is kind of a weird app I'm looking at. Uh, it's like uses your GPU and CPU to kind of like do network AI work.
01:02:07
Curt
Cause that is a weird bubbling field right now. Anyways, you can generate decent amount income.
01:02:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:02:10
Curt
So i'm kind of pissed around with that just cause it's fun. Like I said, my big gaming PC sits here 90% of the time, totally idle.
01:02:13
jamie peacock
Yeah,
01:02:16
Curt
So i'm like, yeah, let's see what it can do.
01:02:18
jamie peacock
see.
01:02:18
Curt
Uh, windows power tools like we talked about. And then, um,
01:02:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:02:22
Curt
1984, the book, because it is a ah good time to read that, no matter what your beliefs are.
01:02:26
jamie peacock
It is, uh, yeah.
01:02:28
Curt
it's a It's a freaky book to listen to. I'm listening to right now, and I'm like, ooh, this is way too close to home and terrifying.
01:02:31
jamie peacock
Especially right now.
01:02:34
jamie peacock
Yeah, I need to see if I've got a copy of that. I'm just finishing up Babylon's Ashes, the sixth expanse book. I watched season six of The Expanse over last weekend, and then I started Babylon's Ashes just to compare them.
01:02:45
Curt
Yeah. Ooh.
01:02:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's it's very interesting comparing where the stories go because they're nowhere near each other.
01:02:48
Curt
Nice.
01:02:53
jamie peacock
But yeah, thoroughly enjoying that book still.
01:02:57
Curt
Yeah. Cool.
01:02:57
jamie peacock
um
01:02:58
Curt
What's in your, ah what's in your googly box?
01:02:58
jamie peacock
But yeah... I suck at Wordle. I skipped today and then I actually got it wrong one day as well. So I'm done on zero currently. I've been looking up reamers because there's a hole on the anchor point mechanical that needs, well, want to ream it. It's going to be easier.
01:03:13
jamie peacock
So looking at buying reamers and threadmills. And then looking up power splas for automating that threading thing. Sylvan CNC pneumatic vices. I reached out. I got a 3D model from them today.
01:03:24
jamie peacock
And a quote. Looking for... ah i was looking up weed burners for consolidating my aluminum shavings.
Machining Techniques and Challenges
01:03:32
jamie peacock
Because...
01:03:32
Curt
okay
01:03:33
Curt
but
01:03:34
jamie peacock
So, okay, there's exchange rates out. But last time I took shavings in, I got 38 cents per kilo.
01:03:36
Curt
and
01:03:39
jamie peacock
If I consolidate them into...
01:03:39
Curt
Okay.
01:03:43
jamie peacock
um so word So basically you're going to melt it and melt and let it drip into water.
01:03:46
Curt
Like ingots? Oh,
01:03:48
jamie peacock
So like beads. $1.13 per kilogram.
01:03:50
Curt
oh okay. Yeah.
01:03:52
jamie peacock
per kilogram
01:03:53
Curt
Oh, wow. Wow.
01:03:54
jamie peacock
So significantly more.
01:03:55
Curt
Okay.
01:03:56
jamie peacock
So I'm kind of willing to do an experiment where I'll melt down a whole bunch of things and see what I get for it. Worst case, I'm going to be out for a canister of gas.
01:04:02
Curt
Right.
01:04:04
jamie peacock
Like, oh no, whatever will I do?
01:04:06
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:07
jamie peacock
It's like going to cost me $25 for another canister of gas. So I'm going to try that because then I can also store a lot more. And when the aluminium price goes up, I then sell it.
01:04:16
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
01:04:17
jamie peacock
Because, I mean, the 500 kilograms that I have there is three and a half thousand Rand or it's 10,000 Rand.
01:04:18
Curt
Sure.
01:04:25
jamie peacock
It's a significant difference.
01:04:26
Curt
OK, yeah.
01:04:26
jamie peacock
And if I look at what I got previously, that should be about 7,000 Rand and would push the other price up to like nearly 20,000 Rand worth shavings. So it's definitely worth looking into.
01:04:35
Curt
Right.
01:04:38
jamie peacock
Obviously not the best use of my time, but is what it is I need hobbies.
01:04:42
Curt
Well, it depends on time how many like how many days it's going to take you to do it. Because like if you you do it a day, it's that's worth your time, like for sure.
01:04:48
jamie peacock
Well, I want to get 25-liter bucket, put it at an angle, put some mesh in the bottom, put the weed burner, and then just throw a spade full of shavings in every time I walk past and just let it drip into the water, throw throw some more, it just feeds down and just melts.
01:04:59
Curt
Right. Yeah.
01:05:02
jamie peacock
And if it takes a day, let's see how many kilos I can get out of it. So yeah, it'll be an interesting experiment to see just if it's actually worthwhile, because I considered compressing it, making a compressor to make pucks, but then you still you don't get really good value for it.
01:05:06
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:13
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:17
jamie peacock
If you melt it and let drop, then it's considered solids. So then it's re re-extrude or something.
01:05:22
Curt
Interesting.
01:05:25
jamie peacock
So you get a much higher rate for it.
01:05:26
Curt
m
01:05:27
jamie peacock
So I don't chasing chasing dollars Chasing pennies when I should be chasing dollars.
01:05:30
Curt
Cool. Cool.
01:05:35
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:36
jamie peacock
but It is also fun.
01:05:36
Curt
But.
01:05:37
jamie peacock
Like I need a solution. I've got ah full RPC tote in my front yard. There's about 500 kilograms of shavings in there. So I need to do something with it.
01:05:44
Curt
Right.
01:05:45
jamie peacock
And then I was Googling the thermal expansion of aluminium because i need to put climate control in my workshop because when you machine an anchor point at 30 degrees C, which is our summertime, and you go to someone's workshop is 20 degrees C, the bolt pattern is a thou out.
01:05:50
Curt
Okay.
01:06:03
jamie peacock
just due to yeah 10 degree delta puts the bolt pattern of thou out yeah so been chatting to matt from blackwell engineering about some issues there because he's got a climate controlled shop i don't his stuff was machined in summer and they go in if you use a chinese poster reviews a langstad they they too tight
01:06:04
Curt
Oh.
01:06:08
Curt
Wow. Wow.
01:06:25
jamie peacock
like doesn't seat properly.
01:06:26
Curt
Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:26
jamie peacock
So yeah, it's never been an issue because I've got, I never picked it up because I'm using a riser.
01:06:27
Curt
Right.
01:06:32
jamie peacock
So the the the locating pins on the riser are loose. They're just there to give more threads. um
01:06:38
Curt
Right.
01:06:39
jamie peacock
And everything I do is at the same same-ish temperature, that it's not an issue. So yeah, interesting, some interesting stuff.
01:06:43
Curt
right
01:06:46
jamie peacock
Like i actually put an anchor point onto the jang plate and tightened the studs, put it on and it wouldn't go in, pulled it out, loosened the studs just... like a quarter of a turn, put it in, it in pulled it out, tightened the studs again, and then it goes in and out perfectly.
01:06:59
jamie peacock
So there's also a little bit of play in the balls on some of the older ones.
01:07:00
Curt
Right.
01:07:03
jamie peacock
Those were 20 microns oversize. Now that's like 15 microns oversize is the size that I try to hold. So i just trying to tighten down on everything as we go.
01:07:16
jamie peacock
don i don't know if you saw the the black anchor cap points that went out this week.
01:07:16
Curt
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. I saw them, i think, in the background of your story. They look super pretty. Yeah.
01:07:24
jamie peacock
Dude, they look so nice.
01:07:25
Curt
They're pretty. Yeah.
01:07:26
jamie peacock
Yeah, the black ones do look really, really nice.
01:07:27
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:28
jamie peacock
But I also like the purple. I think going rename the purple on the website to orgasmic purple because of that it's a beautiful purple.
01:07:33
Curt
Ooh.
01:07:36
Curt
It is a nice purple. I will say that.
01:07:37
jamie peacock
Similar to the lighter. This is a bit darker because it's 7075.
01:07:40
Curt
Yeah, it's...
01:07:40
jamie peacock
Yeah,
01:07:43
Curt
Yeah, like that purple. It looks good.
01:07:44
jamie peacock
no, purple's sexy as fuck.
Hosts' Projects and Future Plans
01:07:47
jamie peacock
Anyway, um so where can people find you and your stuff?
01:07:47
Curt
okay
01:07:54
Curt
You can actually go there and there's a lottery page now and you can sign up and you can answer a plethora of questions and ah the magic of the lottery will base your... logic or your entry on past data if you were a past customer so i'm very happy with it it should be very safe or very fair for for people involved and if you're new um it it doesn't base it really on any math and it gives you kind of a fair chance so yeah i'm i'm pleased with but yeah go over there and check it out how about you where can people find your wares
01:08:16
jamie peacock
Okay. Nice.
01:08:20
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, you find you can find me on jspec underscore engineering on Instagram. You can find jspeceng.com. It's our website where you can find information on the anchor point.
01:08:35
jamie peacock
Should be something to do with the mechanical anchor point as well this week. ah The merch line. Then you can find the podcast at theloanemachinists.com where there's a companion guide and some bonus content. Same old bonus content. Nothing new.
01:08:48
jamie peacock
um But yeah, and the Wall of Fame, where all the Patreons are listed.
01:08:49
Curt
Yeah.
01:08:52
jamie peacock
So if anyone wants to snoop on who is patronizing us, ah you can go snoop on them there. But yeah, that's where pretty much you can find us.
01:08:58
Curt
yeah
01:08:59
jamie peacock
Where can, what are you up to today, Kurt?
01:09:02
Curt
Today, i am going to do a little bit of cleaning up my ultrasonic tanks nice and hot in the background and anodizing and hopefully get this batch out. The goal is to have it all ready out this week.
01:09:13
Curt
So that will be nice.
01:09:13
jamie peacock
No, us.
01:09:14
Curt
And then, yeah, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Actually, I'm probably going to try to sneak some time in to work on this fidget because, once again, has a humongous interest, way more than I thought. So, yeah, I have to get on that.
01:09:25
jamie peacock
Okay, nice.
01:09:27
Curt
So, yeah, I have the titanium slugs.
01:09:27
jamie peacock
Yeah, I think we'll chat about that a little bit in the after show for any of our Patreons.
01:09:32
Curt
Yeah, I think I'm going to... I to 3D print some like spiders from my lathe to help hold parts because i'm holding very thin disks of aluminum. Anyways, or titanium, I mean. So, yeah, I'm going to piss around with that.
01:09:43
jamie peacock
Okay, nice.
01:09:43
Curt
but How about you? Other than sleeping, would you up to this week?
01:09:46
jamie peacock
um Yeah, I've got a machine of mold tomorrow.
01:09:47
Curt
Or tomorrow?
01:09:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, I've got a machine of mold tomorrow.
01:09:49
Curt
Ooh.
01:09:50
jamie peacock
um The first of all of the molds that are being replaced at the customer. So it's the beginning of a bunch of mold work for the year. I was meant to start with it today, but then I did admin shit all day. So I'm going to do a little bit of admin stuff when we're done here tonight. And then to- tomorrow morning, get the mold running and then carry on.
01:10:08
jamie peacock
but Carry on with the admin shit because I'm quoting a Retrofit and... Building a robot, building a welding robot, as we'll need to quote that out. So yeah, got a bunch of stuff on the on the go because I have lots of spare time, as one does, um for doing these stupid automation projects.
01:10:25
jamie peacock
So yeah, we will see. I think going to try and phase that out, but also really enjoy it. So it's a bit of a bit of a challenge.
01:10:33
Curt
Yeah, oh fair, I get that.
Conclusion and Listener Acknowledgment
01:10:37
jamie peacock
What is going on here? Anyway, thank you everybody for listening and we will see you next week with a brand new episode. We'll try not to repeat.
01:10:46
Curt
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01:10:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, we'll see you guys next week. Thank you very much for listening. If you've seen our faces, i assume you're on YouTube or Spotify or Zencastr if you're AJ. If you've been just listening to us, we are available in video as well on previously mentioned platforms.
01:10:57
Curt
Take care,
01:11:00
jamie peacock
And then you can look at our faces while we talk. Although I don't know how many people actually listen to video or watch video on podcasts, but it's there. So thank you everyone for listening and see you next week.
01:11:13
Curt
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