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Ep. 74: Death Pallet Stackers & Other OSHA Nightmares
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This week on the Lone Machinist Podcast, Jamie accidentally speedruns manufacturing because he misread an order and panic-machined a batch of anchor point bodies before realizing they were the wrong version. Meanwhile, Kurt discovers that machining titanium from round bar is somehow less efficient and more efficient at the same time, which feels spiritually correct for machining.
We also dive deep into:
- Industrial shop planning using LEGO men
- Why carbide prices now require emotional preparation
- Homemade chip-handling death traps
- Power draw graphs that make the house lights dim like a horror movie
- The extremely scientific measurement system known as “1453 bananas”
- Why random people keep wandering into machine shops asking for jobs
- And how a chair noise nearly derailed the entire episode
There’s also:
fountain pens, Linux CNC rabbit holes, load balancing, tumblers in Wendy houses, tiny linear rails, giant tool steel blocks, and enough Home Assistant automation to accidentally become a low-budget smart factory.
If you’ve ever looked at a machine tool quote and immediately started calculating breaker amperage… this episode is for you.
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Transcript
Introduction and Topics Overview
00:00:00
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Loading Machines Podcast, where it's just you, the worker, and the machines. Kirk, what do you have going on today?
00:00:06
Curt
Today I'm going to talk about the dangers of dipping my toe into the world of fountain pens, the updates on clips made from round bars, and Amperage draws of everything, because now I can see it.
00:00:18
Curt
How about you? What are we going to talk about in your world?
Manufacturing Challenges and Solutions
00:00:21
jamie peacock
We're going to talk about rush manufacturing some anchor point bodies. We're going to talk about the machinable keel clamps. And we're going to talk about some home assistant stuff also to do with amperage.
00:00:32
Curt
Ooh.
00:00:33
jamie peacock
Yeah. How are you this evening, Kurt?
00:00:36
Curt
I'm great. I'm great. had a fire barbecue, so I feel like my face has been cooked by the fire and then by the sun and by the smoke and by the wind.
00:00:40
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
00:00:43
Curt
So yeah, I'm feeling bushed tonight, but I got my Canada Dry Fruit Splash Cherry Ginger Ale.
00:00:47
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:00:52
Curt
That's the special drink for tonight.
00:00:54
jamie peacock
last
00:00:55
Curt
So yeah, how's how's your morning cracking out?
00:00:57
jamie peacock
uh yeah nice and early uh went to actually went bed really early last was feeling sick went to bed uh then ej messaged me needing cat help and was sleeping but yeah we i ran parts all day yesterday it's been it's been a very busy week i ended up spending five hours in the car on friday
00:01:19
jamie peacock
it was an a hour and a half for a half an hour meeting drove to where i'm doing that retrofit and half an hour meeting then half an hour drive from there to ts machine tools for an open house which i actually shot some video of i need to edit up then an hour and a half drive home then it was a half an hour to carl and my cousin for dinner and then an hour home because there was roadworks
00:01:19
Curt
Ooh, that sounds less fun.
00:01:33
Curt
Ooh, cool.
Machine Efficiency and Shop Setup
00:01:44
Curt
Ugh.
00:01:44
jamie peacock
So, yeah, shitty day to be in the car all day on Friday.
00:01:44
Curt
but
00:01:47
jamie peacock
But yeah, other than that, it yeah was fun. But we'll come back to the TH Machine Tools show bit later on. um Yeah, yesterday ended up running Anno late the afternoon and machining a bunch of stuff.
00:02:01
jamie peacock
a Yeah, it's a day. And today I've got to assemble stuff and machine stuff. Because you know how it goes. Every day is a work day, at least for the insroom.
00:02:11
Curt
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, quit your nine to five to whatever they say. Have a...
00:02:17
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, I get it 24-7. Yeah.
00:02:19
Curt
Exactly, yeah. yeah ah Good, like having work is always better than having no work. Yeah.
00:02:27
jamie peacock
Yeah. I got to stare at a lathe run all day. This week I had to make 500 little pins. But then had to be cross-drolled. But yeah, the good way is a beast. And just ploughed through that. Literally one day done.
00:02:40
Curt
Oh, nice. That was the one you were kind of worried about.
00:02:40
jamie peacock
I didn't even have to work the lathe.
00:02:43
Curt
That was like the two-minute cycle or whatever it was.
00:02:43
jamie peacock
Um...
00:02:46
jamie peacock
it's got one minute cycle it was 50 seconds including the bar pull so i couldn't yeah i couldn't run it until i'd made new bar puller dinguses so while i was making bar puller dinguses i made um for 16 20 25 and 30 millimeter bars so i can pull all the common bar sizes um yeah set up just let run like the good ways beast it ran off 500 parts and
00:02:51
Curt
yeah Yeah, rough.
00:03:10
Curt
Nice.
00:03:12
jamie peacock
for the better part of a day. And then when I got to about 300 parts in, I started cross drilling them on the slowio, which is like a two minute cycle to drill four of them. So by the time I finished the run on the lathe, I was finishing the run on the mill.
00:03:27
jamie peacock
I had to load the last 20 parts once the lathe had turned off.
00:03:27
Curt
Oh, perfect.
00:03:31
jamie peacock
um But yeah, I got that out got that out this week. I can't wait to have Carl on hand for that, that I can make it his problem. I'm very much looking forward to that. Like, we were that's why we went there on Friday night was to go discuss contracting and whatnot, so we get all that and in place.
00:03:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:03:48
Curt
Gotcha. Okay. That makes sense.
00:03:49
jamie peacock
But having run the good way, then did some research about running sub-programs and making a part and pull program that I can externally reference from another program.
00:03:50
Curt
Cool.
00:04:03
Curt
Oh, okay. Okay.
00:04:04
jamie peacock
So Swiss style, where you've got your parting off program and you start your program with that usually on a Swiss, but then pass variables.
00:04:08
Curt
Sure.
00:04:12
jamie peacock
So have, say, variable 20 to 25. That is your your bar length or your part length, your bar diameter, where the parting blade needs to be kind of story. So you can basically call that subprogram. Those those variables are loaded into your into memory at the beginning of your main program.
00:04:31
jamie peacock
And then it knows, okay, cool, go chamfer and part off, wait for the spindle to do the pull, you don't have to put that into every single program.
00:04:40
Curt
Oh, nice. Yeah, that sounds smart.
00:04:41
jamie peacock
Yes, I was thinking of doing that because I need to i use the lathe for blanking bits and pieces.
00:04:46
jamie peacock
So then it can blank and bar pull, I can just set some variables in the program and hit go.
00:04:46
Curt
Sure.
00:04:47
Curt
Right, right.
00:04:51
jamie peacock
it'll just blank and pull part off, pull part off, pull part off and just drop it in the parts catcher. Because then parting parts catcher and bar pulling all pre programmed.
00:05:04
Curt
Right. Yeah. that Yeah, that sounds nice.
00:05:04
jamie peacock
Like it could be somewhat useful. So we'll see. I might mess around on the lathe with that a little bit.
00:05:12
Curt
Yeah, I should probably do that. That sounds intelligent, but I don't, but
00:05:15
jamie peacock
Yeah. Getting Linux to reference external programs I need to play around with a little bit still.
00:05:21
Curt
okay.
00:05:22
jamie peacock
In theory, it can do it. In practice, I don't know. We'll see.
00:05:27
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:27
jamie peacock
I will just ask the overlords.
00:05:27
Curt
I mean, yeah, I say I'm sure it can do it. That there's, I have never found something that Linux can't do. Um, it's just, sometimes it's a very roundabout way.
00:05:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:37
Curt
So yeah.
00:05:38
jamie peacock
It looks like it's just an external reference call, like like a subroutine call.
00:05:44
Curt
Okay.
00:05:45
jamie peacock
Okay, O code call, except it refers to an external file that I think has to be in your subroutines folder. I'm not sure.
00:05:52
Curt
Okay. Hmm.
00:05:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I'll mess around with it.
00:05:54
Curt
Interesting.
00:05:54
jamie peacock
I'll probably mess around with it this week because I need to make barnacle clamps. And ah the only reason I haven't yet is because I literally cannot run my lathe. Because it is full of shavings and I have nowhere way to put the shavings.
00:06:07
jamie peacock
Like full to the door with shavings.
00:06:08
Curt
Nice. Oh, really? Oh, no. Oh, no.
00:06:12
jamie peacock
Yeah, I already took some out by hand. can't run the conveyor because I don't have anywhere to i know any bins left. And I can't get an IPC to dump shaving. So yeah, it's a bit of a ah challenge. But that'll be a this week problem.
00:06:24
Curt
So, I said, what are you going to do? push him into the street and light him on fire?
00:06:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I'm waiting this week to get an IPC.
00:06:31
Curt
yeah
00:06:32
jamie peacock
So i'm andnna I spoke to the guys that I borrowed them from. I go and I fetch her one on the truck, reverse the truck into the driveway, dump all my shavings, then take it to them because I can't take it off. If I take it off, I can't put it back on.
00:06:44
Curt
afraid
00:06:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:06:45
Curt
right
00:06:46
jamie peacock
So that's something Colin and I've been we discussing on Friday nights is how we're going to handle shavings at the new shop.
00:06:46
Curt
Right. yeah
00:06:53
jamie peacock
So we're going to go drums because we can get them basically for free from the scrapyard. So we're going to get a lip clip for the drums so you can just hook it on the edge and then use one of those death pallet stackers to be able to lift them onto a truck.
00:07:09
jamie peacock
So we're going to we're gonna have to make a jib for it because we need the lifting point to be higher
00:07:09
Curt
Okay, sure.
00:07:15
jamie peacock
because if we attach that that thing to the bottom of the forks, we can only go a meter and a half up. So I'm going to have it that it sits, the forks are just above the drum, and then the lip gripper can grip the edge of the drum and we can lift it.
00:07:21
Curt
Okay.
00:07:29
Curt
Sure. Yeah, okay.
00:07:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, so proper death traps.
00:07:30
Curt
Yeah, yeah. I mean, at least it's just like a 55-gallon drum, of which could be quite heavy. I mean, it's still going to crush somebody, but...
00:07:38
jamie peacock
they get very heavy when you fill them with steel. But yeah, then we can at least we have a way to at least handle them.
00:07:40
Curt
ah yeah
00:07:43
jamie peacock
And where we're going to be, we can just find the chip people that come fetch, and they'll come and fetch the stuff. So like the idea is to put that out the back in a little back area, store the chips there. And then they can just come fetch them and then have one or two drums in the shop next to the machines to dump stuff into.
00:07:59
jamie peacock
And then they'll just wheel out.
00:08:02
Curt
yeah yeah was that ah did you hear a weird noise did you toot
00:08:03
jamie peacock
So busy you were working on the layout as well.
00:08:09
jamie peacock
No, it's my chair.
00:08:11
Curt
Okay.
00:08:11
jamie peacock
I'm trying to make it do it again
00:08:12
Curt
I just, did so it was so loud through my headphones. Yeah. Now you can't do it again. i know why. Cause it was a toot. Anyways.
00:08:20
jamie peacock
Yes. um Yeah, I'm trying to try to deal with all the ah planning for the new shop as well. And getting all that.
00:08:27
Curt
Fair. Yeah. How's that? How's that coming?
00:08:30
jamie peacock
I'm waiting for the lease documents. They phoned me on Friday. The idea was to sign a lease for July, get benialial beneficial occupancy in June.
00:08:35
Curt
Okay.
00:08:42
jamie peacock
As soon as the lease is signed, basically be able to start moving in. And then they phoned me, no, if we want beneficial occupancy, we need a longer lease. I'm like, when are they planning on putting this through? Oh no, for the first of June. I'm like, well then we don't need beneficial occupancy.
00:08:53
jamie peacock
I don't need the extra five days in the shop.
00:08:57
jamie peacock
let's Let's just get this lease done and we'll move into June. It's not an issue. So waiting on those documents and then getting everything else into place in the meantime. Contracts, all other fun stuff.
00:08:57
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:09
jamie peacock
Planning, that's one of the topics for later on. It's home assistant related stuff for the workshop.
00:09:13
Curt
Cool.
00:09:15
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's a very deep topic. We'll dive into that later in the show.
Industrial Space Management
00:09:21
jamie peacock
um
00:09:21
Curt
Perfect.
00:09:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, so tell me about clips from Roundbar.
00:09:27
Curt
Yeah, so I talked about it last week of ditching my flat bar and um that I was going to do like another run of pens and then I just got sick of it. So then I made the that f flux vise that Ken is working on.
00:09:41
Curt
I machined it to hold round bar and I didn't think I would have enough grip. I thought I'd only be i'll have enough grip to hold them to put dovetails on them and then I have to put them into a dovetail vise to ma machine them. So I was like, you know what? I'm just going to try machining it. So I tried machining them and I was able to get all of the like op one machining done.
00:09:54
Curt
um without them flying out.
00:09:54
jamie peacock
Lost. Yeah. No. Yeah.
00:09:56
Curt
So i was pleased with that. And then I flipped them over made soft jaws and same, same thing on that flux or what? Yeah. The f flux vice, sorry. It's too many tuning abbreviations and names. Flux vice on the anchor point, um and dropped them into the soft jaws there and machine the top.
00:10:10
Curt
off And the top was like, it's not like taking a top hat off. It's like taking half of a round bar off Cause there's a ton of material. So I'm, I'm vaporizing a crap ton of titanium. It's way less efficient, but it's way more time efficient because i don't,
00:10:22
jamie peacock
Efficient. It's way more efficient because you're using cheaper material.
00:10:26
Curt
you're using cheap material and I can blank off all the blanks in the lathe, you know, automagically.
00:10:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:30
Curt
I don't have to sit there and cut them by hand on a bandsaw. And then, yeah, it just, it's a better workflow, even though it seems like a dumber workflow, it's, it's better. So yeah, I'm,
00:10:39
jamie peacock
Well, now you get to sell your chips.
00:10:42
jamie peacock
Now you actually have chips.
00:10:42
Curt
oh, totally.
00:10:43
Curt
Yeah. Like i get decent money for the chips and then, yeah. And the fact that I don't have to do stupid manual work, like machines can do all of the work. Like, yeah, of course I have to take way more of a top hat off, but,
00:10:56
Curt
I don't have to do it.
00:10:56
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:57
jamie peacock
Thanks. OK.
00:10:57
Curt
Like the machine just does it and whatever.
00:10:58
Curt
I just load it in and like, I'm not, the machine isn't running now. So it's not like I'm short on machine time. So yeah, I'll take that trade off. Yeah. I didn't think I'd have enough grip to hang on to those things. Cause I'm only like the op one is okay. I have enough.
00:11:12
Curt
um But the op two, when I'm holding on just by the machine clip part, I'm always worried the middle is going to chatter. Yeah, it was, it was fine. hasn't torn out. So um obviously it's good enough.
00:11:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, well, it's cool to see process changes or improvements.
00:11:24
Curt
And
00:11:29
Curt
Yeah, and I was going to machine like all the like soft jaws so I could i could use like the anchor point swap it. And i was like, you know what?
00:11:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:35
Curt
I'm going run a batch just in this dumps where I only have two and then like one, two and one, two.
00:11:39
jamie peacock
Yeah, one at a time. Yeah.
00:11:40
Curt
then That way I'm like, if I can make it through an entire batch this way without it like tearing a apart out, I know it's it's probably going to be reliable enough that I can sink time into like doing more of them.
00:11:47
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:11:50
Curt
So yeah, I'm pleased with it.
00:11:50
jamie peacock
Building the workflow properly. Yeah.
00:11:52
Curt
Totally.
00:11:52
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
00:11:53
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'm jazzed. Cause that was the one part that was kind of sticking between me switching over to the anchor point. So now i I'm happy. Everything else is less force. So yeah, I'm going to start, start ah moving all that we'll code over now.
00:12:02
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:12:06
jamie peacock
Nice.
00:12:07
Curt
So yeah, it'd be exciting.
00:12:08
jamie peacock
Yeah, very exciting. I actually got a message last night from Dylan from Got Chips. He's playing with his anchor point and he's like, dude, this thing repeats. Dead nuts. He took out the vice, put in something else, put the vice back in, took a five thousandths off the top and it took five thousandths.
00:12:18
Curt
Oh yeah.
00:12:26
jamie peacock
I'm like, yes. It repeats pretty damn fucking well.
00:12:30
Curt
Yeah, it does.
00:12:30
jamie peacock
So, yeah.
00:12:30
Curt
like Shockingly well for what I was.
00:12:32
jamie peacock
Surprisingly so.
00:12:34
Curt
Yeah, like for like it's I mean, that's the thing. It's simple, but that's how that's how you get repeat abilities by not having a shit ton of complexities is like, oh, yeah, here's a Howard Alliance and it pulls down and boom, that's it. That's it. yeah
00:12:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, so like I spoke to Ken, so I marked the bores on the flux, flexors that he sent me. Dude, those things are machining so beautifully.
00:12:54
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:56
jamie peacock
Like, ah I'm not machining it.
00:12:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:12:57
jamie peacock
I don't want to machining it. It's too pretty. um
00:13:00
Curt
Sure.
00:13:00
jamie peacock
But I marked the bores, and i'm like I sent a message, like, what size were you targeting here? He's going 10 plus 50 microns, whereas I target 10 plus 20. And he reckons 10 plus 50, it comes on and off easily.
00:13:14
jamie peacock
And if you need extra accuracy when you make a fixture, drill a hole in the middle, like bore a hole in the middle that you can probe.
00:13:21
Curt
sure Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:21
jamie peacock
I was like, fair enough. But if you don't need a tighter than two thou, then it's fine. And you'll probably find that it still repeats dead nuts because I've got a feeling it's got to do with the O-ring I used in on the top.
00:13:35
jamie peacock
that when because it touches them over in compressors by like half a mile. And I got a feeling that o ring is causing twisting to happen and causing it to always align on the same side of the dowels.
00:13:35
Curt
Okay.
00:13:46
jamie peacock
Like because they do that repeats dead nuts.
00:13:47
Curt
Yeah. Because I've I've
00:13:51
jamie peacock
And I don't I can't explain why when you've got these tolerances in the balls.
00:13:56
Curt
When you looked at like, I so i swept mine a few times. Like I took it in and out and swept it a few times.
00:13:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:00
Curt
I'm like, it's, it was within tents, um, which is yeah phenomenal.
00:14:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:04
Curt
And long. It's not like it's, it's not like it's two inches long.
00:14:06
jamie peacock
yeah it's uh yeah uh six inches it's uh 150 yeah yeah definitely eight yeah
00:14:07
Curt
It's like, whatever, eight inches long. So like, mean maybe not eight, six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:14
jamie peacock
um yeah
00:14:16
Curt
Six is a new eight. Yeah.
00:14:17
jamie peacock
yeah
00:14:18
Curt
Wait, eight is a new six. know it doesn't matter.
00:14:19
jamie peacock
one of one of those two uh but yeah like he's using i i was chatting to them about the pull studs because using mori tool pull studs like those things are coming straight out of those bases and going into my rotating assemblies and i'm gonna put the cheap pull studs in so we're chatting he's going to use the horse pull studs going forward
00:14:22
Curt
Whatever way you want to go.
00:14:37
Curt
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm like, I'm taking these Maritool pull studs out and putting them in my tooling and putting some my shittier pull studs in those.
00:14:40
jamie peacock
a hundred percent so he's also we we had a chat he's going to do the four holes on the bottom
00:14:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:49
jamie peacock
And then I'm going to send them a bunch of the little Delrin inserts for the idiot screw so that I'm not, dude, I'll just send you your whole bunch them.
00:14:50
Curt
Sure.
00:14:54
Curt
Ah.
00:14:56
jamie peacock
I'll get material. I'll just run them. They cost next to nothing. Then it's, you can put it either way. It's, yeah, it's just a better better solution than a screw.
00:15:06
Curt
Yeah, totally.
00:15:06
jamie peacock
And it looks cool. So I'm going run a bunch a bunch of those off and to send them off too. So I'm very, very, very curious about your style amperage.
00:15:12
Curt
Nice.
00:15:18
Curt
So I don't have pure data yet, but I have data from ah the ah phase converter I have.
00:15:28
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:15:29
Curt
ah So it's about, i think it pulls about 8.4 kilowatts. um And that's that's mainly just on spindle up and spindle down because I don't, my cutting never pushes enough amperage to even register.
00:15:34
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:15:37
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:41
Curt
So.
00:15:41
jamie peacock
You'll probably also see it if you are stopping the spindle and wrapping up in because your Z servo is bigger.
00:15:48
Curt
Yes. Yeah. That's, that's, I mean, I guess I can't, yeah, it'd be somewhere in there between, but yeah, it's, it's around eight and eight and a half kilowatts, um, which is a fair amount of power.
00:15:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:57
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:15:59
Curt
Um,
00:15:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's not bad. My lights dim in my house when my machine turns off the spindle and wrap it up.
00:16:05
Curt
Oh yeah. Mine.
00:16:06
jamie peacock
If it's at 100% rapid, my lights and my lounge dim. Because it's a 5 kilowatt servo on
00:16:10
Curt
I find that I'm,
00:16:14
Curt
I find I'm fine with anything that's like ah like a 240 load, like something that's using both um phases.
00:16:20
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:16:22
Curt
It's when I have a single phase load with a high amperage, I get more dimming in the house. Like when my compressors turn on, they're on separate breakers, but they're all on, they're actually on the same phase, same sim side of the panel.
00:16:27
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:16:32
jamie peacock
same phase here
00:16:34
Curt
And when they click on, um my I'll see all my lights go boop. um But they they spike like, go ahead.
00:16:38
jamie peacock
so it's only yeah It's only the one light, and it's the lowest power light in the house.
00:16:45
jamie peacock
It's a light fixture in the in the lounge that's got, I think, I think they're two-bot LEDs, bulbs in It's got five of them, but it's like ultra-low.
00:16:45
Curt
Oh, fair.
00:16:46
Curt
Okay.
00:16:54
jamie peacock
It was ah the dimmest LED bulbs I could buy because that plug is on the on the inverter. So if we have a power outage, that light still works along with the computer.
00:17:02
Curt
Gotcha.
00:17:04
jamie peacock
So wanted as little power draw as possible. And that light flickers when the LK is doing its dance.
00:17:11
jamie peacock
But we don't, we don't have split phase yet, we've got a single phase and a neutral coming in.
00:17:11
Curt
Fair.
00:17:11
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:17
Curt
Okay, so you have two wires and a ground or something.
00:17:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, two eyes on the ground.
00:17:19
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:17:20
jamie peacock
So we've got live neutral ground, and then usually neutral in the ground are bonded.
00:17:27
Curt
Right. Okay. Yeah.
00:17:28
jamie peacock
Yeah, so you shouldn't connect the neutral to the earth, but you can. um
00:17:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:33
jamie peacock
Yeah, so we don't we don't do split phase here. And then obviously, the new shops three phase.
00:17:39
Curt
Right. Right. Okay.
00:17:40
jamie peacock
So the the issue I'm running into now is trying to find a home assistant power meter thingy for three phase.
00:17:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:46
jamie peacock
You can get them for split phase, not a problem, super common. Three phase, the price goes up significantly, but yeah, I think I'm just going to suck it the fuck up and buy it because I want to try and load balance our three phase because the M code, the good way are both single phase machines.
00:17:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:02
jamie peacock
So is the slow here, so are the compressors.
00:18:03
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:04
jamie peacock
um So I want to try and try and load balance a little bit.
00:18:11
Curt
Yeah. Fair.
00:18:12
jamie peacock
So I'm probably going to put a sub panel for the lathe department.
00:18:13
Curt
know.
00:18:16
jamie peacock
um And then a sub panel for the where I put the compressors, I haven't figured that out yet, that I can go that'll have three phase coming in with three breakers. And then I can move things to the different phases as needed to get the balance somewhat even.
00:18:31
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:32
jamie peacock
Yeah, to just try because I'm going to do all my wiring in the new shop as non permanent fixtures.
00:18:32
Curt
That's probably the best way to go about it.
00:18:42
Curt
Okay.
00:18:42
jamie peacock
because I'm not leaving it there for move. So I'm going to put a nice big 63 amp three phase plug under the main DB board, and then plug in my whole tangle.
00:18:44
Curt
Sure.
00:18:53
jamie peacock
And then it'll go to sub sub breakers from there to sub panels. And then I'm going to run i'm going to put that mesh cable ship suspended from the roof, there will be no cables on my floor, everything will drop from above to the machines.
00:18:57
Curt
Right, okay.
00:19:05
Curt
Yeah, it's way better. Yeah, it definitely better.
00:19:07
jamie peacock
But it's also because, like, otherwise I need to go along the wall zigzagging around. I'd rather just have drops where I need. So I was sourcing that stuff yesterday. I was looking up what it's called where to buy it.
00:19:18
jamie peacock
ah Because there's also Ethernet to every single machine. There's air to every single machine. there's There's a whole bunch of stuff that has to that i have to do drops for. So I may as well just run run that stuff.
00:19:29
Curt
right
00:19:30
jamie peacock
And then I'm going to do a big loop for the airline.
00:19:34
Curt
Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah.
00:19:35
jamie peacock
because loops are the way to go That one, yeah, see, figure what I'm going to do for the for the airline. I haven't quite figured that out yet. But I have got a CAD model of my shop.
00:19:44
Curt
Cool.
00:19:46
jamie peacock
The new shop.
00:19:47
Curt
Oh, nice. That helps. That also helps.
00:19:48
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:19:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:48
jamie peacock
I meant to come inside and measure a Lego man yesterday, so that I can figure out what scale the Lego man is and then laser cutter base and have Lego men standing by machines, 3d print all the machines that we can just move stuff around quickly because in CAD, yo, I've got the model, I can move stuff around but
00:19:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:03
Curt
yeah
00:20:05
jamie peacock
Let's try figure out how this is actually going to be before we move in.
00:20:09
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:10
jamie peacock
And then like,
00:20:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:11
jamie peacock
being down the the home assistant, the home assistant rabbit hole of cameras, because I want to put a camera at the back, especially where shaving is going to be on cameras in the shop so that we can monitor remotely because I still plan on running stuff unattended.
00:20:21
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:20:25
jamie peacock
um
00:20:26
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:20:26
jamie peacock
And then I'm like, if I put a camera in the front of the shop, there might
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00:20:31
jamie peacock
be a bit of blowback. So I'm like, I'm just going to get a a doorbell. ah TP-Link, do the TAPO true wireless doorbell.
00:20:38
jamie peacock
You charge it every three months.
00:20:39
Curt
Okay.
00:20:41
jamie peacock
I'm thinking of putting it out so if someone comes in because going to keep the doors closed if someone pushes the bell I can see who it is then pretend i'm not there
00:20:48
Curt
Right, right, right, right. Exactly.
00:20:50
jamie peacock
so it's a little bit less intrusive than a fucking camera so I think I'm just going put one of those by the door I might just build or have a cage laser cut for it so it doesn't get liberated um and then have that sitting there if someone pushes the doorbell we get a message so someone's at the door
00:20:50
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:06
Curt
Right, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, that's a good way.
00:21:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, because I don't really want to run doors open.
00:21:08
Curt
Yeah,
00:21:10
jamie peacock
In summer, we might have to, but I don't really want to.
00:21:15
Curt
Right, right, right.
00:21:16
jamie peacock
Just because I don't want to deal with people. Like, we do stuff that we have side-line liaison. I can't have randoms strolling through my fucking shop.
00:21:23
Curt
No, totally.
00:21:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, like...
00:21:25
Curt
Totally.
00:21:26
jamie peacock
And I saw all the other C&C shops there in that park tend to run doors open, and then they've got... ah
00:21:34
jamie peacock
like a swing gate in front of the the big roll up door, obviously for airflow.
00:21:38
Curt
Okay.
00:21:39
jamie peacock
I might just have one of my mates fabricated big swing door for us.
00:21:40
Curt
Sure.
00:21:43
jamie peacock
Either that I'm just going to open the bottom of the door and put a fan there and let it exhaust air that we can control who sees what.
00:21:52
Curt
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:21:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, the joys of industrial spaces.
00:21:57
Curt
Yeah, we used to, at my old industrial space that we worked at, same thing, we would open the doors partially and had, like, big fans at the bottom and then just open the, like, front doors or front windows whatever you could just to get, pull air through.
00:22:06
jamie peacock
and let it suck air through you.
00:22:08
Curt
Exactly. And then you don't have people walking in, but, yeah.
00:22:09
jamie peacock
Yeah. We used to Yeah, there's going to be a no-job sign on my door because you've got to have that. Otherwise, randoms come ask for jobs. It's really frustrating. Where used to work, the back door, we used to roll up just past Headhats, and then we had a gate in front of that, so people couldn't just walk into the shop.
00:22:20
Curt
Hmm.
00:22:28
jamie peacock
And then the front door had a gate on it as well. I'm just trying to think what other doors were. Yeah, I think it was at like the front office door, and then that used to lead into the into the workshops. And then we had windows in there. It used to get hot as fuck in there, but...
00:22:41
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's just part of being in a industrial space. I had an air con office, I didn't give a shit. Like where the EDM was, was that we built a whole office that was con.
00:22:41
Curt
nothing
00:22:50
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:22:51
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it was pleasant, at least for me. But yeah, that's our options to buy a big portable air con unit and put that somewhere next, like when summer rolls around again.
00:23:02
Curt
Yeah, if you've got the power for it, yeah.
00:23:02
jamie peacock
If it becomes, yeah if it becomes unbearable, do that. Even buy solar units and just run it with the panels. Because Carl and Raina have got a Wendy house they bought when my aunt died because they needed to store all of her shit.
00:23:17
jamie peacock
But now that Carl's moving out of the garage, they can move all the Wendy house shit into the garage and take the Wendy house out of the garden and recover, they like recoup half their garden. So I'm thinking we just put that in the little outside area at the back for tumbling and whatnot.
00:23:31
jamie peacock
And then it's a non-permanent structure. If we move units or move or whatever, we take it fucking with us.
00:23:38
Curt
what's ah What's a Wendy house?
00:23:40
jamie peacock
Like a little fucking, to think how to describe this.
00:23:43
Curt
Like a Quonset or?
00:23:45
jamie peacock
It's like a little little wooden fucking house that you put in your garden. a I'll send you a link now.
00:23:51
Curt
I'll look it up. Wendy house.
00:23:53
jamie peacock
Hang on. Before we start looking things up,
00:23:56
Curt
Oh, okay. ah British podcast.
00:24:00
jamie peacock
Like a shed, that's the word I'm looking for.
00:24:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:02
jamie peacock
A little shed.
00:24:03
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:04
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:24:04
Curt
miniature playhouse for children is what it says it's for.
00:24:04
jamie peacock
Little wooden... Yeah. So we use them here for... stra I used to live in one at one stage in the backyard of my folks' house. But use them for storage or workshops or whatever, yeah.
00:24:14
Curt
So did Peter Pan. yeah
00:24:16
jamie peacock
So in this case, we'll use it all the tumbling stuff out the back of the workshop. And we don't have to listen to the tumbler go... We can just have it in there.
00:24:23
Curt
Okay.
00:24:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, so...
00:24:24
Curt
Oh, the name actually originated from Peter Pan. That's why Peter Pan is in this.
00:24:28
jamie peacock
Ah, okay.
00:24:28
Curt
Anyways, sorry to carry on. Yeah.
00:24:29
jamie peacock
Plus, we learn to think the more you know. was
00:24:33
Curt
The more you know. Sure.
00:24:36
jamie peacock
going to try and make the noise. um Yeah, so yeah that that's put that in the little outside area for the tumblers and the noisy shit. The compressors I actually want to keep in the workshop um just for temperature consistency.
00:24:50
jamie peacock
um My thought being if it's if it's out back in a little shack in the sun, that air is hot when it gets compressed. Whereas if it's in the workshop, it's at a similar temperature to what it's going to be used at.
00:25:00
jamie peacock
So it should cause less condensation.
00:25:04
Curt
Sure. Yeah. Fair, fair, fair.
00:25:05
jamie peacock
I can also just put it in the lathe department so it's far from me.
00:25:08
Curt
Exactly. Yeah. Headphones are cheap. Yeah.
00:25:11
jamie peacock
I'm going to probably put them in the middle of the of the workshop um because then I've got space on the wall to put a zigzag to drop water out of the airlines.
00:25:20
Curt
Sure.
00:25:20
jamie peacock
So, yeah, like I haven't figured where the compressors are going yet.
00:25:21
Curt
Sure.
00:25:24
jamie peacock
I'm still working on chip management, where the saws are going, where some of the marmos are going. ah
00:25:29
Curt
Hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:25:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, there's a whole lot of stuff that goes into moving into industrial space. And have to build the office.
00:25:36
Curt
Yeah, i bet.
00:25:37
jamie peacock
I fucking hate drywall, but anyway.
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00:25:40
jamie peacock
is what is.
00:25:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:42
jamie peacock
I'm going to build drywall office upstairs for assembly, admin, meetings, somewhere for Dana to sit. She may be coming on semi-full-time just handle the bean counting side of things so that I can focus more on the making new parts and new products side of things.
00:25:57
Curt
Right.
00:26:03
jamie peacock
But we'll see...
00:26:04
Curt
I know I was, I briefly was like, not considering, but thinking about industrial spaces when I finally had all this load monitoring setup and I i turned the the lathe on and I'm like, oh, okay, the lathe when it spins up takes about 30 amps on my 100 amps supply.
00:26:20
Curt
And I'm like, oh, okay, well, when the compressors kick on, they add another about
00:26:20
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:24
Curt
20 to 30 to that. So it hits, it's about 50 ish, 60 ish amps. And then I'm like, okay, well now the mill, if that turns on, that's like another, when it's ramping, that's not 30 or 40 amp. So I'm like, Ooh, like I'm, I'm obviously been running. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not flipping them my main breaker, but I'm like, I am close. Like ah I, at, at startups on one things, once things are moving, they drop down, you know, to one third of that. um
00:26:51
jamie peacock
Yes, but also your your breakers are probably C-curve breakers, which will let you overdraw for a few seconds before they will trip.
00:26:52
Curt
But still it's just like,
00:27:00
Curt
They do, yeah, for sure. um i just I don't really want to be bouncing off that hundred the amp limit there. that i and it just it's It's crazy how fast it gets eaten up.
00:27:07
jamie peacock
Why not? Yeah.
00:27:09
Curt
if You don't really realize it you're like, woohoo. And the the thing is, what was...
00:27:12
jamie peacock
So the highest the highest I've ever seen, I've got, so yeah sorry, carry on.
00:27:17
Curt
I say here with split phase, like we have, it's hundred amp, but like you could technically pull a hundred amp on just on half the phase.
00:27:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:24
Curt
So like at a hundred for here, it's about 120 volts. um You could pull a hundred amps on, on that side and still clip the breaker. So like using two 40 volt things makes more sense because you're getting, you're getting more bang for your buck essentially.
00:27:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:36
jamie peacock
Way more power.
00:27:37
Curt
Yeah, exactly. So,
00:27:38
jamie peacock
Yeah. I put in a load monitor when I put in the inverter. It doesn't log. It just shows on the screen what its current draw is. The highest I've ever seen is 22 kilowatts.
00:27:48
Curt
Right.
00:27:51
Curt
OK, so what you have.
00:27:55
jamie peacock
Yes. So 22 divided by, well, we're actually 230 volts.
00:27:56
Curt
listen
00:28:00
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, ah that was worth the oven, the kettle, the air fryer and the entire workshop on. On average, we peak at 15,000 watts maximum. That's running anno, running lathe, running mill, compressors, everything.
00:28:18
Curt
Okay.
00:28:19
jamie peacock
So I'm not too too worried right now about moving in there with the power that we're currently using.
00:28:19
Curt
I gotcha.
00:28:24
jamie peacock
um But yeah, i've got ah I've got a spreadsheet calculating what what size machine we can actually put in the workshop before we trip a breaker.
00:28:33
Curt
Right.
00:28:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:34
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:28:35
jamie peacock
And that leads into the machine tool show went to.
00:28:41
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:28:42
jamie peacock
Yes, the linear guides on the X5 are fucking tidy. Also, there were two Syntec X5s with different servos on the turret, which concerns me a little bit.
00:28:46
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:28:51
Curt
Oh, that's weird. Oh, Syntech, though.
00:28:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:54
Curt
So yeah, they would probably be using whatever they have for
00:28:57
jamie peacock
So I spoke to the guys there. I'm like, do you have a Siemens X5? No, but they'll give me a quote. They don't bring it in because it puts the price like within $2,500 of an X7.
00:29:12
Curt
Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah.
00:29:12
jamie peacock
Because to option up an X7, the guy said to me, to option an X7 with a Siemens controller is 20,000 Rand more. To option an X5 with a Siemens controller is 50,000 Rand more. So it brings their pricing too too close to in line.
00:29:26
jamie peacock
between the two machines.
00:29:28
Curt
I wonder why, because I know even when I was buying mine, the price between the 7 and the 5 was almost, there was almost no difference.
00:29:34
jamie peacock
Yeah, and that's...
00:29:35
Curt
but You could go either way. Oh,
00:29:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I played... I hate the controller that's on the X7. The 828D.
00:29:41
Curt
okay.
00:29:43
jamie peacock
It's touchscreen. It has no soft keys, so I kept trying to push next to the screen because that's where muscle memory says the soft key is.
00:29:47
Curt
oh Oh.
00:29:50
jamie peacock
And the keyboard was laid out stupidly.
00:29:50
Curt
Sure, yeah, yeah.
00:29:52
jamie peacock
it was really freaking me the fuck out. um
00:29:55
Curt
Ha, ha, ha.
00:29:55
jamie peacock
Like proper train enthusiasm.
00:29:55
Curt
Ha, ha.
00:29:57
jamie peacock
But yeah, the X7's really small. I thought it was bigger.
00:30:01
Curt
ah It's tiny too. yeah it's only I think ah and it's only three quarters of a meter wider than mine and basically about the same depth.
00:30:02
jamie peacock
It's this compact machine. Yeah.
00:30:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's, it's pretty small. um Really nice machine. was making it do tool changes and things. Then I poked right on the Syntec X5 because the one that they've got for sale for
00:30:20
jamie peacock
standing zero zero for about $30,000 a second hand one. um Got a Syntec controller so I was poking around on that. And then the other ones had their way covers back because they were prepped for shipping. The linear guards are tiny. They're like 20 millimeter linear guards.
00:30:34
jamie peacock
like they're freaking mini.
00:30:35
Curt
Oh, mine are way bigger than 20 mil.
00:30:36
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, no, they were fucking tiny. I've got a photo job and I'll go and have another look. But yeah, the linear guards are small, especially on the y axis. um
00:30:46
Curt
Huh. I'd say mine are probably...
00:30:47
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:47
Curt
I'd have to look, but they're they're devly third definitely not 20s.
00:30:49
jamie peacock
They're 20 or 25. I think they're 20s on the one I saw.
00:30:53
Curt
I would say... Anyway, it doesn't matter.
00:30:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:30:55
Curt
It doesn't matter to anybody listening to this.
00:30:55
jamie peacock
But yeah, you know, looked at those, looked at a bunch of other things there, spoke to them about an X9 and an X11, because i'm like I'm looking for 40-taping machine. um He reckons, don't waste your time buying an X9. It's literally within $2,000 of the price of an X11, buy an
00:31:12
Curt
Okay.
00:31:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, he said to me, X11 came in at just under $61,000.
00:31:21
Curt
Oh, wow, that's cheap.
00:31:22
jamie peacock
40 taper arm type atc i'm like hmm that's a problem because that's kind of putting it in line with the drill tap center i want buy so yeah kurt uh kurt carl and are busy discussing what plan we have for a 40 taper machine in the shop because my dumb ass customers
00:31:28
Curt
but of
00:31:33
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:31:43
jamie peacock
Had a conversation with him last week after machining all that mild steel for them about that I don't want to be squaring blocks. He's like, no, no, everything will come square. You're literally just putting holes and small pockets.
00:31:56
jamie peacock
Can you square these blocks of fucking tool steel? 100 200 by varied thickness. by
00:32:04
jamie peacock
i'm not We literally just discussed this. So I spent three and a half hours sparing up blocks of steel for them.
00:32:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:10
jamie peacock
And I'm goingnna send them an invoice and then they're gonna cry and I'm gonna say, well, I told you not to send me this fucking shit. You wanted it now.
00:32:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:16
jamie peacock
You need urgently. I did it for you the evening. I got it. I did it that evening for you. And I had to be on site the next day. So I left here for them to collect. Fuck. I turned it around for you in a matter of six hours.
00:32:28
jamie peacock
Don't bitch about cross.
00:32:30
Curt
Yeah, that seems totally fair.
00:32:30
jamie peacock
No.
00:32:31
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:32
jamie peacock
so Yeah, so it was less than pleasant. Chugger chuggering that much fucking steel off of blocks of and then I take as little as possible. So I'm taking like comma two five millimeter cuts till it cleans up.
00:32:43
jamie peacock
And then like I put new inserts in in my face mill.
00:32:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:46
jamie peacock
And then it was running off those mill scale on one edge inserts chips straight away. I'm like, these are brand new corner insert fucked. So I was getting a little frustrated.
00:32:58
jamie peacock
And then also doing my due diligence of indicating when I'm now going from, so I've squared this side, turned it over, tapped it down, squared the other side, put it in the vase. So now I'm doing the perpendicular side, indicating to make sure that it's actually fucking square because you can't assume it's going to sit square and making sure the blocks are as square as I can make them.
00:33:14
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:17
jamie peacock
Whereas I know where they were sitting in, the guy just put them in and assumed it was square.
00:33:22
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:33:23
jamie peacock
Because these get heat treated, these giant bricks. And then they wire cut hard and punches out of them.
00:33:31
Curt
Oh, okay, okay.
00:33:31
jamie peacock
So it's literally blank stock. So they want to be able to rotate it reliably. So they'll go in, wire cut the hanger holes, then they'll rotate 90 degrees and wire cut all the punches out of it.
00:33:41
Curt
Right, right, right.
00:33:41
jamie peacock
Yeah. So, yeah. Fucking stupid, stupid jobs.
00:33:46
Curt
so susan
00:33:47
jamie peacock
And hence I need a 40 taper or a machine that I can just not really care about.
00:33:53
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:54
jamie peacock
I'm considering reaching out to buy back a machine I sold that I know they're not using, the Condier PowerMill, because it will do steel fine, at least for the interim.
00:34:02
Curt
um Okay. Yeah.
00:34:07
jamie peacock
Linux CNC retrofit, that... It'll be okay.
Community and Product Development
00:34:12
jamie peacock
A little bit annoying with manual tool changes, but it'll let us be able to square blocks up and do shit easily.
00:34:12
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:19
Curt
Yeah, especially if you have a gang of them just to get started. Yeah, it would it probably work.
00:34:22
jamie peacock
Yeah. We will see about that. We'll see whether we go down that road or not. Speaking of roads, we have Patreons.
00:34:30
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:34:33
jamie peacock
The Patreons make the wheels on the train go round and round and also pay for Zencastr, which was very helpful. Because you cannot, after subscribing for a year on Zencastr, you cannot go to the monthly plan.
00:34:40
Curt
Oh, thank you.
00:34:45
jamie peacock
You have to subscribe for another year.
00:34:48
Curt
Oh, okay. So we're doing this for a year again.
00:34:49
jamie peacock
Yes. The monthly plan doesn't work. Like just straight up, you say, monthly, and then they bill you for a year anyway. That's what happened a year ago. So yeah, we're doing this for another year, guys. um But yeah, thank you to all of our Patreons. um Patreons that are $5 or above tier every month get access to the After Show, where Kurt and I normally talk about super secret projects and things.
00:35:10
jamie peacock
um The top tier Patreons, they get a shout out every month. up every month every week. And that top tier list consists of Jade from Benchmark 20, Luke from Fantastic, e j from EJ from Eternal Welding, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing and 42 other companies. Hey, and i' I's the answer to the world.
00:35:28
jamie peacock
Jason S, the Aussie Machinist, Christian Olson, Charles Watt, Kyle from Cursed Machine, Matt from Offworld Gear, Alex B, John from TOSM Performance and Engine Tricks, and Matt from Modern Fuel. Thank you all the Patreons. You guys are literally keeping the wheels on the train going round round and also making the whole IMTS thing more feasible for me and my cardboard cutout. My emotional support, Kurt, is what it's going to be called.
00:35:52
Curt
I appreciated everybody and I'm, I'm sorry.
00:35:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:35:54
Curt
I'm not going to be there for now.
00:35:56
jamie peacock
For now.
00:35:58
jamie peacock
We will discuss that.
00:35:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:35:59
Curt
We'll see.
00:35:59
jamie peacock
Actually, we need to discuss that in the after show.
00:35:59
Curt
We'll see what happens.
00:36:01
jamie peacock
um between the after show and the show or whatever just want to discuss something about that because you mentioned something because you mentioned something last week so we will do that yeah yeah do you want to pick one since I have more on my list today
00:36:07
Curt
Okay. Yeah. yeah
00:36:11
Curt
Yeah. We'll see. We'll see what boils up.
00:36:18
Curt
Yes. ah Let's go with um new unit lease app. I just want to know this. unit New unit lease application 1453 bananas.
00:36:27
jamie peacock
oh yes
00:36:30
jamie peacock
Yes, it's 135 square meter sharp, which is 1,453 bananas. So square feet.
00:36:39
Curt
ah yeah fair enough i see
00:36:40
jamie peacock
Yeah. It took me a while to figure out what the fuck I typed there. I'm like, did I have a seizure? And then I remembered what I had actually done there. ah But yeah, that's me waiting. I did all the applications. They phoned me. They seem to be pushing it through.
00:36:52
jamie peacock
So it looks like that is all going ahead.
00:36:53
Curt
ah Okay.
00:36:56
Curt
who Who are you rush manufacturing anchor point bodies for?
00:36:57
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:59
Curt
If you can say.
00:37:01
jamie peacock
gonna fucking love this. So one of the guys who bought a batch one, he reached out, there was a flatness issue on it. So i'm like, Okay, no worries. i will send you a new one. I've got a spare batch one.
00:37:15
jamie peacock
He's like, No, no, he's gonna order some mechanicals or he's gonna order some he's gonna order a mooring. I'm not going to noise in that case, he has a full refund for the first one. Use it towards the mooring like No worries.
00:37:26
jamie peacock
So he did so ordered a mooring, but now all the values were different for the order.
00:37:26
Curt
Sure.
00:37:33
jamie peacock
So I looked at it, I read it, didn't read it correctly. Now, cool beans, I've got mechanical because he was he had been asking me about what the difference between 4.1 and 4.2 was. And guess it's got to do with the lag holes.
00:37:46
jamie peacock
so he placed the order i looked the i'm like cool it's two mechanicals i have the new the latest version of those bodies done sweet ran them through anna assembled them was packing orders so thought let me just check this order open the fucking order it's for pneumatics
00:38:04
Curt
ah
00:38:05
jamie peacock
i had piece of material so i quickly machined uh 10 anchor point bodies uh the 4.2 version so that are fully land compatible and have the saunders holes in the bottom
00:38:06
Curt
hu
00:38:16
jamie peacock
quickly machined those bodies, anode, and shipped them out. So yeah, rush machined them.
00:38:21
Curt
Wow.
00:38:23
jamie peacock
And then discovered I'm on my last one of my big end mills that I use for the perimeters.
00:38:29
jamie peacock
Went to order more. Last time there was 750 Rand an end mill. They're now 2,000 Rand an end mill.
00:38:29
Curt
Okay, okay.
00:38:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:35
jamie peacock
They've literally tripled in price.
00:38:35
Curt
Ooh, that's a bit of a jump.
00:38:38
jamie peacock
Also, needed centidrols, same sp supplier. 150 bucks a centidrol last time. They're now 450 Rand a centidrol.
00:38:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, carbide winning.
00:38:49
Curt
I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, like carbides become a bit of a shit show. So then our midway tools, a local guy has stock of uncoated 12 by 45s, which is what I use for the perimeter.
00:39:02
jamie peacock
And they still like 750 Rand each like, I'm just gonna buy all your stock friend, then I'm good for the next while because I don't need a coated animal for that.
00:39:07
Curt
Oh,
00:39:10
jamie peacock
I literally do 10 bodies on an animal and then the animal goes in the drawer as used.
00:39:15
Curt
okay. Yeah.
00:39:16
jamie peacock
because the surface finish starts to deteriorate. um So this one, I ran these 10 bodies, took it out of the hydraulic, put the old one back in, because I use it for odds and ends, that I have a pretty good one in a box still.
00:39:28
jamie peacock
That if I need one in a pinch, I've got one.
00:39:29
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
00:39:30
jamie peacock
um But yeah, I rush manufactured those. So now I have stock of 4.2, the latest latest version of the pneumatic, and then also mechanicals.
00:39:43
jamie peacock
And then also version 4.1, which I'm now just considering building out eight of them and putting them on the shelf for myself.
00:39:43
Curt
Nice.
00:39:43
Curt
Nice.
00:39:51
Curt
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be good use for that. Yeah.
00:39:55
jamie peacock
Yeah. If you're going to use them on just the... the mooring base or your own fixture bases then it doesn't really matter but they're not fully LAN compatible but I get it guys want them to be LAN compatible so those are discounts a little bit on the store currently because they are not fully LAN compatible but the 4.2s are now fully compatible yeah fixed the process issues we had there yeah
00:40:09
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:18
Curt
That's awesome.
00:40:22
Curt
That's awesome. Well, that's not a fun way to have to make up stock, but at least you have stock now.
00:40:27
jamie peacock
It also wasn't that much of a fucking ball egg to make them. it took me It took me an hour to get running and then I ran them out quickly.
00:40:30
Curt
That's a good sign. Yeah.
00:40:35
jamie peacock
ah Went to OP2s, added a feature into the 4.2s that I will be testing in the next little while that lets you, in theory, put pressure on the clamping side for more holding force.
00:40:50
Curt
Ooh, interesting. Ooh, that's interesting.
00:40:52
jamie peacock
I'm going to see if it works. I've got a body. i've got I'll take one of the bodies and just use it as a victim. um I've just got to put it back in the mill and drill another a hole into it now. And then you'll have your unclamp air. You'll have your clamp air.
00:41:05
jamie peacock
We'll see if it works.
00:41:07
jamie peacock
I had to add an O-ring back into the design.
00:41:07
Curt
Interesting.
00:41:07
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:10
jamie peacock
I just don't want the thing leaking air always. So we'll see.
00:41:15
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, fair.
00:41:16
jamie peacock
We'll see if it actually if it actually works as intended. Because that would be a nice upgrade. It wouldn't be backwards it would be backwards compatible to batch one and then to 4.2 anything from batch two and three I took your o-ring slot out yeah so not really I'm sure but yeah kind of kind of cool adding features that don't need to be there and I've got a way to measure it now with the load cell so I can actually see if it makes a difference yeah
00:41:33
Curt
Gotcha.
00:41:38
Curt
and Interesting. Yeah, that's cool idea. Yeah. finish Cool.
00:41:46
Curt
Right. Yeah. You can see if all the hassle is worth it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:49
jamie peacock
Yeah, and I've got I've got a body, I just don't have a way to hold the body to drill the hole in and put the o ring groove in.
00:41:50
Curt
Yeah.
00:41:57
jamie peacock
I've got one that I that's got a blem on it. So i might just use that as a victim, just put it in a vase, hold it, mill o ring groove and hold it on inside and a vase, mill the other hole, and then use that as a victim because it's a 4.1 body.
00:42:10
jamie peacock
But it's got to name a blem, I can't sell it.
00:42:11
Curt
Hmm.
00:42:13
jamie peacock
Oh, I also have a left handed anchor point.
00:42:17
Curt
Ooh.
00:42:19
jamie peacock
somebody had loaded it in the machine wrong for op 3, 4, and 5, so the airport is on the wrong side.
00:42:22
Curt
and
00:42:27
Curt
Ah, nice. Okay. Ah,
00:42:28
jamie peacock
I know it. I'm just trying to think. the airport, it was loaded for op 2 incorrectly. It was spun around for op 2, so the airport is on the backside of it.
00:42:36
Curt
okay.
00:42:39
jamie peacock
Other than that, yeah.
00:42:40
Curt
So for any of you devil-handed out there, there's one there's one available.
00:42:44
jamie peacock
Yeah, there we go.
00:42:46
Curt
yeah
00:42:46
jamie peacock
Yes, one spethel. But yeah, that's ah fun times, machining things urgently. So tell me the dangers of a fountain pen. I saw your story about getting a fountain pen.
00:42:58
Curt
Oh, dude, that's a stupid idea. Why have I ever done this? I've i've never bought fountain pens because i I know me. I will get way too into it because they're they're finicky and they're particular little things and they have to be perfect to run. yeah It's like it it checks all the blocks for my brain to link into it and just get horribly addicted to it. That's exactly what I've done. I i decided I wanted to buy a really nice one. um And I realized, you know, i'm like, I'm going to buy a cheap one.
00:43:22
Curt
ah cheap A good enough cheap one um so that I can be like, do I like this without sinking like $500 into a fountain pen that i actually want? um So anyways, I bought like a $40 fountain pen and ah it gets great reviews. It's ah it's i will find i'll find the name it's a hong d i think hong da m two ah yeah Anyways, you can buy it on Amazon for like 30, 40 bucks.
00:43:48
Curt
It gets amazing reviews and it writes fantastically. I am incredibly impressed. Like it is amazing what economies of scale can do. So yeah, ah beautiful pen. I'm a instantly addicted to it because I usually write, this is sacrilege, even though I build like all these fancy ballpoint pens.
00:44:05
Curt
I don't typically write with a, excuse me, sorry folks. I don't typically write with a ballpoint pen because I like ink layout, so I usually you use a fineliner, like a felt-tipped fineliner to do all my like journaling and whatever else I
00:44:15
jamie peacock
Okay. thought you were going to say, use a quote.
00:44:19
Curt
No, I'm not quite that savage. um But now I've immediately switched to fountain pens because they write pretty much identical, except the ink layout, like it just, they feel nice, they look nice. It just like everything, everything about them makes me happy. So yeah, I am a hundred percent going to make a fountain pen. um It is still sitting behind the fidget. Fidget I have to finish next. That's next on my list.
00:44:38
Curt
But yeah, like I put up a story and the amount of people that came out of the woodwork and we're just like, I'll immediately buy one. i was like, oh shit. Like there's, there's a monster demand out there. So i was like, who,
00:44:48
Curt
So i'm like, okay, how do I make mine different than everybody else that's making one?
00:44:51
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:44:52
Curt
So I think I found some things that I really want to do that not everyone is doing ah just because there's stupid, stupid machining decisions, which that's my favorite way to do it because then no one wants to follow you because anybody that's going to follow you is be like, this is way too much effing work.
00:45:08
Curt
Why am I doing it this way? So it's like, that's my... that's That's the easiest way I find to like patent your products is just make it difficult for anybody else to follow you and then no one will.
00:45:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, make it overly complicated.
00:45:19
Curt
So yeah. So yeah.
00:45:22
jamie peacock
That actually reminds me.
00:45:26
jamie peacock
What grips did you do on your last batch of pens? Was it all ISO grip?
00:45:29
Curt
Yes. Yeah.
00:45:30
jamie peacock
When last did you do fruit grip?
00:45:34
Curt
Fruit grips, actual fruit grips.
00:45:35
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:45:36
Curt
ah Never, never done.
00:45:38
jamie peacock
I thought I wouldn't let you forget that one. Danik and I were discussing it while we were driving on Friday.
00:45:41
Curt
Oh,
00:45:44
Curt
ah
00:45:44
jamie peacock
haven't brought that up in a while.
00:45:45
Curt
it was actually, it's drawn up in my ad drawing for the click pen, and then the click pen kicked my ass in the last, like, if few steps that I had to machine for it. And then I got really scared of it and ran away.
00:45:59
Curt
um
00:45:59
jamie peacock
Uh, yeah.
00:45:59
Curt
But yeah, it lives over there right now. I'm just too scared to open that file. So we'll go, we'll go back into it. But the problem is the only fix, like the one fix I know that'll make it work perfectly is also like almost a direct copy of another pen maker. And I just don't, i just don't want to do that. Like it just,
00:46:15
Curt
the doing this would fix it but then I basically clone his mechanism and it it negates some of the features I wanted which are like noise I wanted it to make noise and it kills the noise and I'm like well I don't want that so like anyway so that's why it's been on my back burner um And the fact of just like current orders are crushing me.
00:46:34
Curt
But yeah, it's just, I don't know, too many too many iron and irons in the fire.
00:46:35
jamie peacock
that you use on.
00:46:37
Curt
And then, yeah, all the thank you to everybody who sent me messages about fountain pens and like was just willing to be like, I have so many people reached out and be like, oh, I have 200 fountain pens. I will send you whatever one you want.
00:46:48
Curt
And you can just like look it over and examine it and design, like figure out how to design things. And I'm like, some of these people are like willing to send me like very expensive fountain pens just out of the goodness of their heart to be like, yeah, use it.
00:46:58
Curt
And then just send it back whenever you're done with it. I'm like, You guys are crazy. So yeah, if anybody you were listening to this, thank you all. That's incredibly generous. And it wasn't one person. It was a whole host of people. So yeah, there's, there's nice people in the world.
00:47:10
jamie peacock
Nice. Yeah, it is always nice to interact with the nice people.
00:47:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:15
Curt
That's why i love the communities. I love the communities we're parts of, because like you get to see the, the good in a lot of people.
00:47:16
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:47:19
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:47:20
Curt
So.
00:47:20
jamie peacock
A lot of, think most of the communities we're part of are pretty wholesome communities.
00:47:25
Curt
They are. every Almost all the communities.
00:47:25
jamie peacock
Like...
00:47:26
Curt
um The instant machines community is especially strong. A lot of people just give the shirt off their back.
00:47:30
jamie peacock
Yeah. Willing to help. Like... Yeah.
00:47:33
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:34
jamie peacock
Like... Yeah, actually got reached out by an instant machinist. the One of their staff has got a brother at home and wants to put an anchor point. He's like, will you be willing to make a riser for him?
00:47:46
jamie peacock
I'm like, yeah, not a problem. Like, really?
00:47:48
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:47:48
jamie peacock
Not an issue? He wants a three-inch riser? I'm like, yeah, no worries. I'll machine up one, I'll rough up two, and he can just finish the top once it's in the machine. And then he's sorted.
00:47:56
Curt
Right.
00:47:57
jamie peacock
Because he wants to go a zero point, but he doesn't want to be poor buying a Lang one.
00:48:01
Curt
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I get that.
00:48:04
jamie peacock
the anchor points, that was a discussion. um So I went to this machine tool show, ah pitch up with my little tough case with an anchor points in it to sell anchor points to the to the owners of the place.
00:48:18
jamie peacock
So because I styles of the machines that these things are kind of intended for, for the use case.
00:48:18
Curt
Oh, nice.
00:48:23
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:24
jamie peacock
So had a chat to them and they they're going swing post to come visit and see a demo of them full on in my machine demo.
00:48:32
jamie peacock
So yeah might get some local sales.
00:48:32
Curt
Oh, cool.
00:48:34
Curt
That'd be nice. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
00:48:35
jamie peacock
because theyre like the local zero points are book and expensive. It's like, ooh, buy one from China is a third of the price because the guys are importing them and then adding a premium to them because it's a premium product.
00:48:47
jamie peacock
Not everyone buys it.
00:48:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:48:49
jamie peacock
If you look at CNC support, they bring units in. They'll bring five units in and they'll sit on the shelf for the better part of a year before someone will buy them.
00:48:57
Curt
Okay, yeah.
00:48:58
jamie peacock
They're not fast moving items here because here we just use vices like savages.
00:49:03
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
00:49:04
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it was yeah, it was fun going to to go try sell anchor points.
00:49:11
Curt
I'm excited for that that video of you touring around that show because
00:49:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's not the longest of videos. I just need to actually take it off my phone and edit it.
00:49:20
Curt
it doesn't matter. just be cool to see like what a show looks like on the other side of the world and like it's a wildly different market.
00:49:23
jamie peacock
Yeah, this was literally an open house at the at the facility. So they're the Herco agents and the Sile agents. And then they've got manual machines and all sorts of other crap.
00:49:30
Curt
Cool.
00:49:32
jamie peacock
i was actually looking at a cold cut saw, but their ones don't have the cool guards, so I don't want it. I want one that goes nom nom as you put it down.
00:49:40
Curt
Yeah, I do like those.
00:49:40
jamie peacock
Yeah, obviously. So when I'm going to nom nom nom, it's going to be great. So I'm going to find a second in one of those because there's a couple of things that I might need to be cutting a lot of bar stock for. And then I'm going to want cold cut saw because it doesn't throw shavings through the entire workshop.
00:49:56
Curt
Totally. Yeah, totally.
00:49:57
jamie peacock
Yeah. So, a saw on there, they've got a semi-auto as well. That you literally push button, clamps, then down by itself.
00:50:05
Curt
Oh, cool.
00:50:06
jamie peacock
Yeah, kind of want one of those, but yeah. For the price of that compared to the, compared the manual one, it's, how much was it? The price difference was like $200 to have it automatic.
00:50:21
Curt
Oh, that's a no-brainer.
00:50:22
jamie peacock
I'm like, yeah, considering the whole manual saw, was $2,200 and automatic one was like $2,500 get the get the automatic I don't think you can use the automatic in manual mode though I think it's only an automatic mode so it's got its things
00:50:32
Curt
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Get the auto. Yeah.
00:50:46
Curt
Yeah, fair.
00:50:47
jamie peacock
um Yeah. But yeah, the reason I was out that side the world was to go schedule this retrofit I'm doing. So all the parts have come in, but now they are swamped and the machines are working.
00:50:53
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:50:56
jamie peacock
So I'm like, you tell me when you guys are less busy and we'll schedule it then. I'm not going to rush out there to do it because especially now with the the whole move, like the next two weeks are, we're busy. But they wanted, they're like, could we do it on the weekend? So i come in on the Friday.
00:51:11
jamie peacock
um They finish at two on a Friday. We decommissioned the machine. start wiring over the weekend monday tuesday hope to be running and give them training and be out of there by the wednesday so i was like we can see um i'm sure we can make some sort of arrangement um and job get it get it knocked out really quickly and done because inside of having it looming over me and then they potentially want to do the other machine as well and i'm like we will see friends
00:51:21
Curt
Mm, okay.
00:51:41
jamie peacock
Markets. It's decent money. And if I've got call running machines back at the shop, it changes the maths a little bit.
00:51:49
Curt
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:51:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, it lets me justify being on site for like six days straight. And at least I know the lanes are still running.
00:51:58
Curt
Yeah, as yeah, exactly.
00:52:00
jamie peacock
Yeah.
Production Techniques and Innovations
00:52:01
jamie peacock
Um, oh, tell me about hacking.
00:52:02
Curt
Cool. Cool.
00:52:04
jamie peacock
the y Let's do the job to do the Vib coding section now or later?
00:52:09
Curt
Uh, I don't care. Let's, let's knock through the things we'll end with the vibe coating.
00:52:14
jamie peacock
Okay, so yeah, so we tumbleblast finishing naming.
00:52:16
Curt
Cause I know we both have. Dude, I have to figure out. So this next batch of pens I'm making, it's, it's a finish I put on my pen and I like it a lot. It's a, uh,
00:52:27
Curt
Like i I do a light glass blast with like super, super fine glass bead. So you don't really remove anything. You kind of just impart a nice little texture to it. And that's what I typically use for my blast to finish.
00:52:38
Curt
But then after that, I throw it in a tumbler with just a bunch of like, ah what do they call it? Non-abrasive ceramic.
00:52:45
jamie peacock
Okay, the polishing stones.
00:52:46
Curt
um So it, yeah, polishing stones that are just little ceramic tubes, essentially. And then I tumbled the bejesus out of it. And so you get this really like, you get like a polished blasted finish, but it's really smooth. And it has like, it has like, i don't even know how to describe it a texture. i don't know It's maybe the closest it'd be to like a vapor honed texture.
00:53:05
Curt
It's just really, really nice. Nice, smooth, even polished blast is what it looks like. I got to figure out a name for it because I can't call it. tumbled blasted finish. It just doesn't sound cool. So I got to find a cool name for it.
00:53:17
Curt
I was going to call it vapor honed finish, uh, just cause that sounds cool, even though it is not vapor honed. Um, so anyways, I gotta, I gotta to figure out a name for that. Cause I think the next batch of pens I'm going sell, um, because it just it's not a super easy process to do, but it's much easier than doing anodizing, and it wears really well.
00:53:35
Curt
So I use it for all my my personal collection, because I like to build stuff like for heavy you a heavy use. just Use where I don't care. i throw a pair of keys in beside it, and this hands stands up to it pretty well, so I find a cool name for it.
00:53:48
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah. Could be interesting to try and name.
00:53:54
Curt
Yeah, anyways, 9,000 points to anybody that comes up with a cool name.
00:53:55
jamie peacock
So.
00:53:58
Curt
you that The points don't do anything in our store, but you get 9,000 of them, so.
00:54:01
jamie peacock
But.
00:54:01
Curt
Ooh. That's
00:54:02
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:54:05
jamie peacock
Yeah, this week, this week, there will be some new things on the on the store, namely the machinable keel clamps.
00:54:14
Curt
a cool idea.
00:54:14
jamie peacock
So, yeah, I've got the M6 version.
00:54:14
Curt
Yeah, I like those.
00:54:17
jamie peacock
They're a bit longer. You just put them in a vise and machine the end to suit what you need. I'm busy with a video of using them and and the anchor point all in one fixture. And then also barnacle pricing will be out this week.
00:54:28
Curt
Cool.
00:54:31
jamie peacock
The material has come in, so I'm going to be running that batch of those and then also offering some Rasa options.
00:54:31
Curt
Ooh, nice.
00:54:38
jamie peacock
So to fit a 52 millimeter pattern, generic. Lang for faxas, whatever pattern, as well as an Aroa pattern.
00:54:48
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:54:51
Curt
Oh, nice. Okay.
00:54:52
jamie peacock
That might be the same riser. um And then a thicker one for the 52. two So start was chatting to Moria Manufacturing, and then I can do like a two-inch riser for them. I'm yeah, no worries. We'll do a two-inch one like tapered.
00:55:06
jamie peacock
So when they put in the fourth and they rotate, they've got asked there were clearance for tools.
00:55:09
Curt
Ah, gotcha.
00:55:10
jamie peacock
So I'm like, yeah, we can we can do something like that.
00:55:11
Curt
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:55:12
jamie peacock
So I'm going to be making up some more risers and whatnot and getting that, hopefully, over the finish line in the next week or so.
00:55:21
Curt
I, um, yeah, I will, uh, should I leave that for the after show? Maybe I'll save that because we might use it for another show topic. i just I think I found a really cool ah application for one of your little ah barnacles on the 4th to do some like do some actual 4th-axis machining, some simultaneous.
00:55:38
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:55:41
Curt
and Yeah, so we'll see.
00:55:42
jamie peacock
Oh, fancy.
00:55:43
jamie peacock
Yeah, because that's something on my list of things to do is a L plate for my fourth so that I can do some shenanigans.
00:55:43
Curt
Yeah, we'll see if that comes about.
00:55:51
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:54
jamie peacock
But yeah, just haven't got around to that yet. Now, on to everyone's favorite section, the vibe coding section.
00:55:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:00
Curt
Yeah. I promise this is interesting folks. Stick around.
00:56:02
jamie peacock
Yes, or at least for your stuff, it's interesting. ah Yeah, so I saw you were hacking your load meter thingy.
00:56:09
Curt
Yeah. So I, I got an AC put into my house and then they had to put a ah load shedding device. Cause they're like, well, your panels kind of maxed out. So we don't want you to be like tripping your hundred amper.
00:56:19
jamie peacock
We call that the government here.
00:56:19
Curt
Um, Yeah, so i was like, you know what? Okay, fair. So I kind of expected it. Not a cheap little device. It should be because there's nothing to it. And if I could make it myself and have it certified and be able to pass inspection...
00:56:34
Curt
I get why they cost what they do. Anyways, um I busted it. Like after the the guy installed it, um electrician installed it, and I looked at it. I'm like, there's an ESP in here. There's an ESP-12S in there.
00:56:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:56:46
Curt
And I was like, okay, that has a Wi-Fi capability. um So then I poked around their site to see if I found the manufacturer, and they didn't have any like easily available app. So I poked around a little bit more and kind of searched. And I found out that they do have, ah it self-hosts its own little webpage, like a browser.
00:57:04
Curt
And you can log into it and then you can connect it to your network and then it posts out the data because it has two clamps that are going over my my two phases that come into my house, i'm detecting how much current I'm using. And then when the current gets too much, it basically opens the circuit. So whatever's connected to that specific device,
00:57:20
Curt
turns off in this instance, it's the big AC. Um, and so i was like, well, I want that data. Like if you're reading it, i i want that data. I want I want to know, I want to integrate it into home assistant.
00:57:28
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:31
Curt
Um, so I, I don't know how to do that. So I asked Mr. Claude, I'm like, Hey, good good evening, Mr. Claude. Um, I have this device that's hosting its own little webpage. Can I scrape the data out of it? And cause it it just, it shows it real time and I want historical, like I want to log it.
00:57:47
Curt
Um, And it's like, oh yeah yeah, you could totally do that. So we looked at the webpage. We realized it's just basically so um streaming like a binary platform binary value like a very big binary value and then i could decode the binary value and then run some scaling factors through it and get a pretty good estimate my scaling factors are still a little messed up it's doing some funny business to get like i think those coils that are measuring those inductors or like basically they're inductors um they're going around the coils they have a really weird pattern where they respond less at lower currents and higher higher currents so i don't think the pattern is linear so i might have to chart it i might have to like slowly try to figure it anyways boring stuff um
00:58:11
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:24
jamie peacock
Apply loads and then reverse engineer it.
00:58:27
Curt
Yeah, I might have to like...
00:58:27
jamie peacock
You should actually, you should actually be able to find that curve for those clamps. There should be a part number on the clamps. If there isn't, just go look at other clamps till you find something similar.
00:58:38
jamie peacock
um But if i if I remember correctly, they do give you an output thing because you can buy them loose for home assistance for power monitoring.
00:58:45
Curt
Okay.
00:58:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:47
Curt
I'm sure they're readily available clam. um
00:58:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:50
Curt
So that's because I'm like, oh, I bet you it's not ah not a linear problem that I'm encountering here.
00:58:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:54
Curt
um And the only way to do that is either be like, I have whatever, 100,000 amp or 1,000 watt loads that I can slowly start adding to my system and and chart it manually. Or you could just, like you said, find the part number and see if you get a grid zone.
00:59:08
Curt
Anyways, just so such a cool application where you can use like Claude in this instance to like brute force your way into something to be like, oh, now it integrates with home. And it's integrated with home assistant now. It reads it as a sensor and I can do whatever I want with it.
00:59:20
Curt
It's not quite accurate, but at least I can take the data and chart it or, yeah, I don't know.
00:59:24
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:59:25
Curt
It's just, it's amazing what's possible.
Operational Management Systems
00:59:28
jamie peacock
That is very interesting.
00:59:28
Curt
So.
00:59:29
jamie peacock
I googled it and a whole bunch of graphs came up.
00:59:33
Curt
Ooh.
00:59:34
jamie peacock
Yes, so just currentran current clamp graphs. Yeah, I've been vibe-coding my ERP some more and getting told by Justin I'm breaking it.
00:59:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:59:43
jamie peacock
um I added a section to it this week for material ordering. So generally when I order aluminium, I'll go into Fusion, check what size the block needs to be, type that into an email for my aluminium supplier, but I'll do like 20 different jobs.
00:59:58
jamie peacock
So I'll go look, okay, I need 10 of this size, 20 of this size, five of this size, send it off to him. Then it arrives. I'm like fuck, what is all this for? i'm going to try remember so in the erp i made a thing you say create job or create uh material you say what it's for the job uh the size the grade and the quantity you save it and then when you select it it populates little thing on the side with quantity
01:00:07
Curt
Right.
01:00:27
jamie peacock
size grade. So I can go and just select a whole bunch of them and it populates instantly the text there, I copy that into the email and send it. And then everything that's selected, I say bulk print, and it prints little cards that when the material arrives, it says what it's for, the size of it, and how many there are that I can put it with the material that I don't use the material for different jobs.
01:00:48
Curt
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
01:00:48
jamie peacock
Yes, trying to make my life a little bit easier. And then like recurring jobs, CZPO7 basis, I just search CZ and it comes up, I can change the quantity, reorder it, print out the cards when it arrives, put the card with the material.
01:01:03
Curt
Mm, nice.
01:01:03
jamie peacock
Then I know what has been ordered and I'm not trying to guess at what has come in and using the wrong piece for the wrong job. And then, yeah, that has happened a few times.
01:01:13
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:14
jamie peacock
So just trying like because I had I had like 400 pieces of ma material. off It's like, fuck, what is what now? Yeah.
01:01:20
Curt
Right.
01:01:21
jamie peacock
So there's the normal hole. There's the glory hole. There's the fixture for the glory hole that came in. Now any material or order is going to be is going to be done like that.
01:01:32
Curt
That's smart. Yeah, that's smart way to go.
01:01:33
jamie peacock
Yeah, like just small improvements. Like I don't need it sending an email. I just needed to generate the text that I can copy into the email. Like, it's going to be loaded.
01:01:40
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
01:01:41
jamie peacock
I was actually harassing Claude about hosting it on an old Orange Power One that I have. Because it's more than powerful enough to host a website. um So I was asking how to do that.
01:01:51
jamie peacock
So now I need to just follow the set of instructions that it gave me that I can deploy this on my network and then be fancy.
01:01:56
Curt
Yeah. Cool.
01:01:58
jamie peacock
So working towards deploying it, like adding features.
01:01:59
Curt
Cool.
01:02:01
jamie peacock
i want to add some stuff... the floor monitoring stuff like specific four different sections. So like mill department where it's got all the mills, lathes departments with all the lathes shown instead of all the machine, all the processes.
01:02:08
Curt
Mm-hmm.
01:02:14
jamie peacock
So I've moved it from machines to processes. So we've like, if you want to load a job, you load a job. Okay, we need to order material. it then needs to go to the bandsaw, then it needs to go to the lathe, then the mill, then heat treat, then grinding, and then inspection.
01:02:30
jamie peacock
So like, you can list everything and then as it's completed one, it becomes available to the other, so that we can flow stuff through and we can also track what is at heat treat what is at the different stations.
01:02:42
jamie peacock
So it's trying to make it trying to make it easy to keep track of stuff and get it out of our heads.
01:02:42
Curt
Right, right.
01:02:49
Curt
Yeah, that is the way for sure.
01:02:51
jamie peacock
And then I've got the whole quoting story in there as well. Because we're going to now send out email like, if you want stuff pushed to the front of the queue, the price increases by 50%.
01:02:56
Curt
Yeah,
01:03:02
jamie peacock
End of fucking conversation. If you want me to take what's in my machine out to do your shit, there isn't a fee because we're a customer that everything is urgent.
01:03:04
Curt
yeah that's.
01:03:09
jamie peacock
And if everything is urgent, nothing is urgent.
01:03:14
Curt
Yeah.
01:03:14
jamie peacock
You can't tell me everything you need done is fucking urgent because then nothing is going to be urgent. So like i was running, not what I was running, but I'm like, this will finish before i square up your stupid chunks of steel.
01:03:27
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're willing to pay the crazy amount. Like, then go nuts.
01:03:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, then sure, I'll stop what I'm fucking doing, but yeah.
01:03:32
Curt
I'll stay late. Yeah.
01:03:35
jamie peacock
Because yeah, that's the other thing is I don't want to be working late every fucking day. The goal is to not do that.
01:03:41
Curt
Yeah.
01:03:43
jamie peacock
That is the end goal of this whole endeavor is to actually have weekends again.
01:03:48
Curt
Yeah, well, I mean, a total aside, but that's what, like, even in my old day job, like, we work in an oil industry, and, like, when it's when it's going well here, there's, like, there's no...
01:03:59
Curt
Well, and there's, like, if you're supplying these guys, it's, like, money is not an object. So it's, like, it's like well, I don't...
01:04:03
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:04:04
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:04:04
Curt
I want to do this.
01:04:05
Curt
It's, like, well, like, why not? It's, like, it's Christmas. Like, I'm not going to work over Christmas. Like, well, I'll just pay you double. It's, like... why I still don't want to do it. Like not my boss telling me, but like the customer being like, well, just charge me twice.
01:04:15
Curt
like, well, no, we don't, we don't want to be here. Like, it's like, well, what, what will it take cash wise? It's like, cause it's like, there's good money in it. So it's just like, uh, anyways.
01:04:25
jamie peacock
Well, that's the thing like we we're discussing with Carl, like what the expectations are, because he's going to be effectively still working for himself, but on a retainer with Jspec. And what is expected hourly?
01:04:35
Curt
Hmm.
01:04:37
jamie peacock
I'm like, dude, to if we're in a situation where it's quiet and there's no work, I don't expect you to sit there till 4.30 every day. come in, do some improvements, and then fuck off.
01:04:45
Curt
oh
01:04:47
jamie peacock
Like, I hope we're not going to be in that situation. But let's cover all our cases like this. He's got a fixed retainer, but he's got a profit. here It's like, if there's work to be done, let's do the fucking work. Let's work stupid hours.
01:05:00
jamie peacock
You know, you're getting the downstream benefits of it.
01:05:03
jamie peacock
Like, because we don't want to be working
01:05:03
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:04
Curt
Yeah.
Machine Configuration and Preferences
01:05:06
jamie peacock
flat out.
01:05:06
jamie peacock
I want to set the machines up and go home. Like, let them run, go home.
01:05:09
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:10
jamie peacock
If they fuck out, go back to work. Otherwise, they let them run through the night.
01:05:14
jamie peacock
That is the actual end goal. but yeah I also saw the Saal L2.
01:05:14
Curt
Mm-hmm.
01:05:22
Curt
Oh, did you?
01:05:23
jamie peacock
Yes. I saw one at Machinesville Africa like two years ago. um But yeah, theyve they optioned with a tailstock and without a tailstock and a 12-position turret because that would probably be the direction the lathe department needs to go in in the near term.
01:05:33
Curt
Right, yeah.
01:05:39
jamie peacock
that we can run stuff easily without fucking around with tool changes. um Like set the machine up that job shopping work and just run through there really quickly and easily. And then the good way and the end co-op production machines.
01:05:49
Curt
Totally.
01:05:52
Curt
Yeah.
01:05:52
jamie peacock
Because for now, Spin Doctor is the onesie twosie machine.
01:05:53
Curt
Yep. That makes sense.
01:05:56
jamie peacock
But yeah, it holds size, it does the things, but bigger and easier is more better.
01:06:03
jamie peacock
So we'll see.
01:06:03
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:03
Curt
Fair.
01:06:04
jamie peacock
It's also got a Siemens controller. Siemens is the way.
01:06:07
Curt
That helps. Yeah.
01:06:08
jamie peacock
The cell guys are making fun of me because all I want Siemens.
01:06:08
Curt
It does.
01:06:13
jamie peacock
I'm like, don't want your fucking shitty Sintec controller.
01:06:14
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:15
jamie peacock
I want a Siemens controller. Like, Siemens is the way. Like...
01:06:19
Curt
I'm a big, after playing with it, I'm a big fan. Yeah, I'm a big fan.
01:06:21
jamie peacock
Yeah, likewise. Well, I don't like the 802D, but the 28D is fine. We're trying to get a program on... Or get the PCMCIA card to read on Commissioner's 802D.
01:06:36
jamie peacock
And fucking struggling.
01:06:41
jamie peacock
can't seem to send things over oris two three two either or 323 whatever whichever fuck one it is like just battling to send programs to the machine so he's having to hand type stuff in at the moment
01:06:45
Curt
Oof.
01:06:52
Curt
Goof. Ooh.
01:06:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, so trying to figure that out. i need to just go through my laptop with Claude and just be like, hey, Mr. Claude, man, this is what's happening. And just try and work through the problem. Like I've formatted the card to FAT16, which should in theory work.
01:07:05
jamie peacock
But I had to put a bigger, it's a 2GB card. So I had to use a 32KB address dingus. So I think I might need to just format it down to like a gig.
01:07:13
Curt
Hmm.
01:07:16
jamie peacock
And then it should in theory read.
01:07:20
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:21
jamie peacock
in theory or it has to be TTS format which is or no FFS for fuck sakes format where it's a linear format and then that might work because it's a slightly older machine that might just be what we have to do and getting that to happen on Windows is not the easiest of things
01:07:35
Curt
yeah yeah
01:07:39
Curt
no not unless you got like a win 95 laptop kicking around yeah
01:07:42
jamie peacock
the problem is then how do you write programs to that card because you need to be able to read the cards.
01:07:49
jamie peacock
So then, okay, cool. Put the program on a flash drive, plug it into Bertha, plug the card reader into Bertha, transfer the file over, and then plug it into the lathe. Because Bertha runs Linux.
01:07:49
Curt
right
01:07:58
Curt
Yeah.
01:07:59
jamie peacock
So you could, yeah, like, it fucking, yeah. There's a reason this machine was for sale. No one could put programs on it.
01:08:05
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
01:08:06
jamie peacock
So, yeah, I need to just go there with the laptop and sit and poke at it with a big stick until it does what I want.
01:08:13
Curt
Fair. Fair.
Fountain Pens Exploration
01:08:15
jamie peacock
What exciting things are your Google box, Kurt?
01:08:15
Curt
Cool.
01:08:19
Curt
My Google box is full of all kinds of exciting things to me. Maybe not to other people. um Fountain pen shit. Because I know so little about it. So I'm just educating myself like drinking from a fire hose.
01:08:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:08:32
Curt
Yeah, it's...
01:08:33
jamie peacock
Learning how little you know about it.
01:08:36
Curt
dude, I know enough just to be dangerous. Now I know enough to be a little bit less dangerous. Like I know all the terminology, I know kind of the main manufacturing companies and I know a bit more, but I is still woefully underprepared for, uh, dipping my toe into the world of manufacturing on that front. Uh,
01:08:53
Curt
ah Paper. Actually, a lot of Japanese companies because it's just for the style of writing they use. If they're using a fountain pen, like everything needs to be tiny and I like fine points. So I pull up a bunch of Japanese papers and stuff that I've been wanting to mess with. ah Ink stuff obviously aligns with that. My whole Google thing is full
Practical Solutions for Equipment Issues
01:09:10
Curt
of that. ah Penmanship, just because I really like writing. So I looked at a bunch of dorky stuff like that.
01:09:16
Curt
And then electrostatic um furnace filters. I have a like big weird electrostatic unit that supposedly cleans the air from my furnace and it jumped, just died on me.
01:09:25
jamie peacock
yeah there we yeah decorative fanciness yeah fair enough
01:09:28
Curt
And ah it's basically not worth fixing. So I put a standard filter in and problem solved. So it's got a bunch of fanciness on the outside and it does nothing.
01:09:39
Curt
So I'm not, yeah.
01:09:39
jamie peacock
decorative faniness
01:09:41
Curt
Yeah, I don't know. The previous owner put it in. i would never have bought one, but they're basically not worth fixing. Just put it put a paper filter in and then clean it. So, yeah, anyways. How about yours? What's your googly box full of?
01:09:53
jamie peacock
ah Yeah, I've been looking for drum casters, which is like a ring you put on the bottom of a drum, a 44 gallon drum, to be able to wheel it around. I've been looking at boxes for the for the barnacles.
01:10:04
jamie peacock
I found the cutest little box. So I'm going to order some of those and see how they how they work.
01:10:06
Curt
cute
01:10:08
jamie peacock
Just brown cardboard box, just generic recycled when you're done. um Looking into Linux CNC subprograms and then phoning Elroy Industrial to find out that they don't have what I want.
01:10:19
jamie peacock
Because obviously they don't, they never have stock of anything I want. Like they never have the bolts I want. It's always too long, too short, or they don't have. So I ended up sending my brother-in-law to the actual good bolt place to get bolts for me.
01:10:34
Curt
Oh, I actually should something to my Google box. ah Master Ken sent me a great link. I have not had a time to look at it yet. the I think it's the IOTAWATT.com.
01:10:46
jamie peacock
Ooh. Please put it in the linky-linky.
01:10:49
Curt
and it's an yeah I'll link it in the show notes.
01:10:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:10:51
Curt
ah Open Wi-Fi electricity monitor. so it has It's doing the same thing that my weird device has, but it has like you can buy multiple channels.
01:10:56
jamie peacock
yeah
01:10:58
Curt
so You can multiple like you can check watch each individual
Home Automation and Online Presence
01:11:01
Curt
circuit. um
01:11:01
jamie peacock
that is literally exactly what i need yes yeah
01:11:04
Curt
And it integrates with the Home Assistant. um So yeah, I was super, super keen on that. Super cool. um so I'm going to look into it more. ah Anyways, yeah. We'll link in the show notes if you're also, because I got a ton of messages. are like, I want that. It's like, oh, I don't have a good direction to point you, but now this looks like a good direction. So thank you, Ken, for sending me that.
01:11:24
Curt
Appreciate it.
01:11:26
jamie peacock
Very nice.
01:11:27
Curt
Oh, Jamie froze.
01:11:28
jamie peacock
What?
01:11:29
Curt
We're good again.
01:11:29
jamie peacock
I'm clicking.
01:11:30
Curt
We're good.
01:11:30
jamie peacock
um Yeah, we're good. ah So where can people find you Kurt?
01:11:36
Curt
Ah, one succinct, easy to remember site, confoundedmachine.com. How about you, Jamie? Ooh.
01:11:44
jamie peacock
We're going to see if this works. You can find everything jspeceng.com. Danik is going to redo the landing page. ah Yeah, so that it'll point to Nautical Workholding. It'll point to my Instagram, and it'll obviously be on jspeceng.com. That'll make life a little bit easier.
01:12:00
jamie peacock
But for now, jspeceng.com for the knives, shirts, and things. NauticalWH for the workholding shenanigans. And jspec underscore engineering for the day-to-day shenanigans of the workshop.
01:12:13
Curt
I did try to buy you jamiejamiejamie.com last week. Someone has it. Someone just bought it like last year. so yeah, bummer.
01:12:20
jamie peacock
annoying yeah why don't we just go jamie jamie jamie four times or six times or nine times three three
01:12:22
Curt
i can get I can send him an offer, but I didn't get that far.
01:12:27
Curt
It might be available. Yeah, I don't know.
01:12:31
Curt
It's starting to get crazy. Yeah, it might be just easier to type. Yeah, just just spell nautical all weird. That's probably easier than Jamie five times. Yeah.
01:12:42
jamie peacock
Yeah, probably. But yeah, I'm going to get Danica to update Jspik's website so that it points everywhere, neatly. Because right now it's not neat the way it points things. So I'll have her sort that out for me this week.
01:12:51
Curt
Cool.
01:12:52
jamie peacock
Because she is currently at home. um Yeah, what are you up to today?
01:12:55
Curt
Cool.
01:12:57
jamie peacock
Or tomorrow?
01:12:59
Curt
Tomorrow it is Sunday fun day. I have not a foggy clue yet. I actually would like to run the style. I have screws all blank and ready to go and that's just hours of machining.
01:13:10
Curt
So I might actually sneak in here and just get it running and then I can just go about my day doing other stuff and just keep feeding the machine. But yeah, that's about it.
01:13:17
jamie peacock
yeah are you you still running the screws on your old fixture
01:13:18
Curt
A bunch of yard stuff might
01:13:24
Curt
On my old fixture, I haven't built a new fixture for it yet, but it's multiple hours to run it, so it's pretty easy just to load up and just walk away.
01:13:28
jamie peacock
yeah it's not not the worst so just paying import duties for the screws for the barnacles yes hope there's enough money in my account
01:13:37
Curt
Ooh, nice.
01:13:41
jamie peacock
yeah so ah Yeah, I'm going to go make an extender cock for the re-rollers I manufacture so that you can re-roll two to threes.
01:13:43
Curt
Cool, what are you up to?
01:13:53
jamie peacock
So we need to just lift the feeder up by like 20 mils. So I'm just going to go make a threaded extension.
01:13:57
Curt
Nice.
01:13:59
jamie peacock
um I need to assemble some of those. And then I'm busy making sight mounts currently. They got up one yesterday, so now I need to make stepped soft jaws for them, which I think i'm going to do on the little vases because I have soft jaws for them.
01:14:13
jamie peacock
um and then work my way through finishing those up. So yeah, just a whole bunch of aluminium odds and ends that need to go through the workshop in the coming weeks.
01:14:22
Curt
nice
01:14:22
jamie peacock
So I and i think I might just go fuck around in there. Either that or I'm going take, like, my customer's coming at 10 o'clock this morning. Once he leaves, I might just take the rest of the day off. Because it has been a busy fucking week. Like, it's been late nights, most nights, in the shop till 7, 8 o'clock, and then, like, 11 o'clock on Friday night to go discuss contracts shit.
01:14:43
Curt
Yeah.
01:14:43
jamie peacock
So I might take it easy since it's a Sunday.
01:14:45
Curt
Take the day out.
01:14:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's the weather look like.
01:14:48
Curt
Exactly. The Lord's day.
01:14:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, not good enough to go fishing. I might go this afternoon.
01:14:53
Curt
Ah, screw it then. Work.
01:14:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, work makes money. Fishing costs money.
01:14:58
Curt
Work will set you free.
01:15:01
jamie peacock
That's, yeah, the whole work thing is, I don't know, we we discuss we'll discuss it between the shows. it's not something want to discuss it, yeah, but, yeah, discussing the plans for the future with Carl and Rainer and Danica and whatnot.
01:15:08
Curt
Deal.
01:15:14
jamie peacock
Anyway, thank you, everybody, for listening. Patrons, we shall see you shortly in the after show where we're going to discuss ah super secret things relating to IMTS and Kurt's camera issue.
01:15:27
jamie peacock
um But yeah, thank you very much and we will see you next week.
01:15:32
Curt
Take care all.