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S1 E42 - JJ Rose Metaphysical Teacher, White Witch and Medium
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This weeks Episode with it being Halloween, is so much fun, as i spoke to JJ Rose.
JJ is a Metaphysical Teacher, Lightworker, Energy and Entity Cleaner, White Witch, Medium and Empath, to name but a few.
JJ described to me some of her abilities, including Astral Projection and Remote Viewing. I put that to the test, and when i share the pictures (On our Facebook account) , I will let you decide about the evidence.
We also talked the dangers of Astral Projection and Remote Viewing.
With it being Halloween, we had to talk about Witches, so the Salem Witch Trials was the next subject, as we talk about what happened in 1692-1693, and how badly the residents of Salem were treated
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to JJ Rose and Astral Projection
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight I am more than delighted, we've been having some fun off camera, I would like you to all meet JJ Rose.
00:00:27
Lee Hatfield
She's a metaphysical teacher, light worker, energy and entity cleaner and white rich. JJ, hi, welcome.
00:00:36
JJRose777
Thanks, Ling. How are you?
00:00:39
Lee Hatfield
Oh, fabulous. ive Just for the record, I've now put the fan on that we were talking about. So we're good.
00:00:48
Lee Hatfield
So for those that don't know, because I forgot to do it at the beginning, because I'm more flustered than talking to JJ. My name's Lee, I'm your host, and tonight we have got a fantastic episode for you.
JJ's Spiritual Background and Empathic Work
00:01:00
Lee Hatfield
We are going to be talking about astral projection. I've done some housework, and I'm going to see if JJ says that she she's not judgy, so we'll see. We'll see.
00:01:12
Lee Hatfield
So how's your day been, JJ?
00:01:15
JJRose777
so far so good.
00:01:18
Lee Hatfield
Good. And whereabouts are you exactly?
00:01:21
JJRose777
I'm in California.
00:01:23
Lee Hatfield
where it's always hot and you don't get any snow.
00:01:23
JJRose777
So
00:01:27
JJRose777
no snow.
00:01:28
Lee Hatfield
you
00:01:29
JJRose777
I live in the most temperate climate pretty much on the planet, which is fantastic. We don't have a lot of weather. It's wonderful. I love it.
00:01:40
Lee Hatfield
And the reason why we live in Canada, we get the best of both worlds, we get hot summers, we get cold winters, and we don't have animals that try to kill you. Apart from the polar bear, the brown bear. the
00:01:53
JJRose777
I mean, that's pretty smart. I feed everything.
00:01:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:01:55
JJRose777
So even if it wanted to kill me, I kept it fed. So I feed all the feral wildlife.
00:02:00
Lee Hatfield
Well, there you go. There you go. OK, so we do have a couple of subjects that we want to talk about tonight. But first, I would like you to just tell us a little bit about yourself, how you got into what you're doing, and then we'll we'll take it from there, if you don't mind.
00:02:08
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:02:17
Lee Hatfield
didn't see
00:02:19
JJRose777
Sure. So i have been sense open my entire life. I was born like this. I come from a long line on both sides of people who are very, whatever word you want to call it, spiritual, psychically open, etc.
00:02:36
JJRose777
That really helped me because I don't know what it's like to not be like this. which is helpful in one way because I'm very confident at what I do and I've had a lot of people there to really guide me through the process and so I've pretty much been doing this work all my life one way or another.
00:02:57
JJRose777
I was not raised with the word no or can't well I was raised with the word no.
00:03:06
JJRose777
I've probably told that a lot, but I would fight it. But I wasn't raised with the word can't.
00:03:10
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:03:13
JJRose777
So it's not really in my being, in my vocabulary. So for me, when I hear people think, oh, I'm not able to do this, I'm not able to do that. I'm like, well, why not?
00:03:24
JJRose777
Everyone can. It's just a matter of either learning it or trying it. And with everything, there are always do's and don'ts and things you want to probably be aware of.
00:03:35
JJRose777
So that's really why I created my YouTube channel. This is not my full time work. I don't do this for a living. i am the end of my line, pretty much. I don't have human children that I birthed.
Spiritual Abilities and Perceptions of Spirits
00:03:46
JJRose777
And so I really just wanted to give something back to the world and to share all the wonderful knowledge that I've been given.
00:03:53
Lee Hatfield
And that sounds like a really fun childhood and upbringing, the fact that you're surrounded by people that are of so similar faith, so to speak.
00:04:05
JJRose777
Yes. Yes.
00:04:07
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so...
00:04:08
JJRose777
I've met a lot of fun people along the way.
00:04:10
Lee Hatfield
Oh, I can imagine, i can imagine. So do you have any mediumistic kind of skills as well or...
00:04:22
JJRose777
Yes, when it comes to, I think the kids are calling it the Klairs, no? I am all of them. So technically i am, and i have a list because I'll always forget something because I'm just so used to it.
00:04:37
JJRose777
Psychic, past, present, future, precog, retrocognition, mediumship, seeing, speaking, hearing the dead. and don't always like to feel them, but it happens.
00:04:50
JJRose777
uh energy and entity clearing cleaning astral projection divination of all different kinds energy medicine psychometry of remote viewing telepathy dream precognition and i am also an all elemental white witch solitary by the way not a common
00:05:07
Lee Hatfield
don't think but okay i don't think I don't think that list is big enough. I think i think you actually need some more only joking about the list to get bigger.
00:05:14
JJRose777
Yes, I'm also an ordained minister. I'm a psychic specialist for a paranormal group in my area. I'm also what you would call an empath or a sensitive. And then there's a ton of other stuff we could add behind my name.
00:05:28
JJRose777
So, yeah.
00:05:32
Lee Hatfield
you didn' You didn't have to take that as a challenge.
00:05:36
JJRose777
That was a little challenge accepted. Yeah.
00:05:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So the reason why I asked about mediumistic skills. So I've had a couple of mediums on in the past and I've always asked them, what do you feel and see when you're when you when the spirits are contacting you? So how yeah do you see them as full body? Do you see them as kind of the transparent ghost, so to speak? Or yeah how how does that come across to you when you're doing your mediumistic skills?
00:06:07
JJRose777
Honestly, it kind of depends. I'm a little different than your maybe your average person who does this or who came into it a little bit later. Because I'm so used to it I've also become very utilitarian.
00:06:21
JJRose777
I don't just look around and there's a whole bunch of dead people around me. They pretty much know, show up if you have a message or
Astral Projection Explained and Demonstrated
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JJRose777
something needs to be conveyed.
00:06:31
JJRose777
Otherwise, go do whatever you're doing in the astral plane. Like, don't be bored. There's lots of fun stuff to go do. So... I mean, I've, I've had them just, it pops into my mind.
00:06:43
JJRose777
I've had it where I've seen them out, right? Like I would see you. I've had them where I've just heard messages. I've had them where I just get images in my mind.
00:06:54
JJRose777
Most of the time i would say my information comes, I used to say I'm just a knower and again, verbiage, right? There's so many new names for things, but It would be as if I'm just downloaded with information and I just suddenly know something.
00:07:12
Lee Hatfield
Because I've spoken to, like i say, a few in the past, and one of them actually said that they can turn it on and off like a radio switch.
00:07:22
JJRose777
Good.
00:07:23
Lee Hatfield
Can you do the same but as well?
00:07:25
JJRose777
I can dim it.
00:07:29
JJRose777
When it comes to this stuff, if it needs to come through and I'm just really not paying attention, it will it will present itself. I have somewhat of a rule because it's very easy, especially with someone like me with all of the information coming and all the things that I work on.
00:07:48
JJRose777
where to get very overloaded or to run in circles with every little sign or synchronicity. So generally I have a rule that something has to hit or happen three times before I pay attention to it.
00:08:02
JJRose777
I might want to scale that back because literally I just had three car accidents, not myself, but myself and two other people who resided at my homestead.
00:08:13
JJRose777
All of us had the exact same accident here, there, and other where. And so now I'm like, okay, I get it. Maybe, maybe I don't need the three rule for that.
00:08:24
JJRose777
But in most cases, you know, just because a candle turns on on its own, or just because something falls or moves on its own doesn't necessarily mean someone's trying to get my attention.
00:08:38
JJRose777
Sometimes things just fall, or i live in earthquake country, it's an earthquake, or, you know, someone moved, whatever. and This is why i made that rule in the beginning because I was also getting things that were coming in and there's so many different things going on, especially right now. Just look at the news that it gets a little overwhelming.
00:08:59
JJRose777
So for me, I'm very utilitarian, like come to me if you have a very specific message or something needs to be done now, or if you are setting the precipice for things for me to work on or to come.
00:09:13
Lee Hatfield
Okay, and are you one of these individuals where it doesn't matter if the person is in a video call like we are now, or is it better for you to be face-to-face with that individual?
00:09:29
JJRose777
It makes no difference. It happens even when I'm just like doing housework. Someone will pop into my mind and there's a message and okay, go tell so-and-so whatever.
00:09:41
Lee Hatfield
Cool. But one of the so I i kind of like, OK, I'm going to say that and then it just goes straight out my head. Well, at the very beginning, you you had a whole list of different skills and abilities.
00:09:56
Lee Hatfield
But one of the most ones that I'm really intrigued about and I'd like to speak more into that right now is astral projection. And like I said, I did do some housework, but you didn't say you were going to judge.
00:10:09
Lee Hatfield
So we'll see. So
00:10:11
JJRose777
I am not joking.
00:10:14
Lee Hatfield
so for those that don't know, what is astral projection?
00:10:19
JJRose777
So astral projection and remote viewing are similar, but a little different. a Remote viewing is where you can view something else, right? Place, time, whatever, in in any time specificity.
00:10:39
JJRose777
specificity oh that word is gonna just bug me okay you know what i'm saying specificity i don't whatever so watch i'm gonna wake up at midnight saying the word perfect nailed it exactly this is the word that i meant so
00:10:52
Lee Hatfield
And you're going to email me, aren't you? Lee, that's what this is what that word was.
00:11:00
JJRose777
Remote viewing is a little more hands off-ish, right? It's viewing something very third party from any time period. Astral projection is i am energetically there, whether it's in your space or wherever i am. It saves me a ton of money on air travel and gas, by the way.
00:11:24
JJRose777
It's very eco-friendly.
00:11:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:11:28
JJRose777
But I also have the ability to roll through time-wise. So as I mentioned before, I am on a paranormal investigative team. So there's been times where we've gone to a location and I'm like, well, the house isn't active now, even though it's presenting as active now.
00:11:49
JJRose777
It was active whenever and these people being here triggered it like their energy plus that old energy just caused a conflagration of things to occur.
00:12:02
JJRose777
So I can also do that with people. So for instance, let's say you had a dream and you're like, hey, I had this dream, JJ, and I want to tell you all about it, but I'm not able to remember much.
00:12:16
JJRose777
I can actually tap into you with your permission, always with consent with me. That is the white magic part, just so you understand. It means always with consent and never against anybody's will.
00:12:29
JJRose777
I'm able to tune into your mind and then I can see through your eyes and I can actually scroll through time. So you could tell me, okay I had this dream a week ago ish.
00:12:41
JJRose777
Some people don't even know the date. They just know around and I'm actually able to go for like backwards and then see it through your eyes and then we can talk about it.
00:12:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, if it was about a week ago, i was I had serious jet lag after coming back from Fiji, and it was like, I'm dead. i' just want I just want to go to bed, but I was pushing myself to stay up until a reasonable time, just for the record.
00:13:09
Lee Hatfield
So when you when you
00:13:09
JJRose777
We'll live time.
00:13:13
Lee Hatfield
astral project per se, what does it feel like to you as as like inside or as a person?
00:13:23
JJRose777
Never really been asked that before. I'm just there.
00:13:28
JJRose777
It doesn't really, it's not like a big whoosh. It's not a dramatic anything. i mean, sometimes I have to make a dramatic entrance depending on where I'm going and what I'm doing.
00:13:39
Lee Hatfield
I'm here.
00:13:40
JJRose777
ae i've I've worked with some people who, when they listen to this, they will laugh because sometimes I come in guns blazing and with very strong language. I'm like, thankfully, human kids can't hear me right now.
00:13:53
JJRose777
But so depending on what's there. I mean, if of When I say I'm an energy and entity cleaner and clearer, it's a nice way for me to say I do exorcisms and attachment removal, which are negative entities and energies.
00:14:10
JJRose777
So, you know, it's not always pretty, as you could tell, like I'm very happy, joyful person. So I try to do it in the nicest way possible because no one needs fear. And sometimes all of the hoopla of the, you know, let's put on Gregorian chants and dim the lights type of thing. For some people, they want that, but most people are scared out of their mind. They want every light on from here to Timbuktu, and they just want to be calm. So I'll crack jokes during it. I'm trying to be very happy and calm and like lighten up the situation.
00:14:43
JJRose777
That being said, for me, i just, I'm wherever I need to be and I'm experienced it. Sometimes I get smells but when i'm there i'm experiencing whatever level i want to or need to so one place i went immediately i was like i hate to be rude but like what is that scent and because it's unpleasant they're like oh sorry haven't changed the litter box for a week you know and i'm like well we should probably do
00:15:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:15:14
JJRose777
open a and Your nose blind, you know?
00:15:17
Lee Hatfield
The
00:15:19
JJRose777
So, thank you.
00:15:20
Lee Hatfield
think the good news is we don't have a litter box, so you're OK.
00:15:24
JJRose777
Yes.
00:15:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:15:25
JJRose777
So, I mean, yeah, it's, for me, it's not super dramatic. I'm sure there are some people who, when they do this, it is much more because they're not used to doing it again. I've been doing this my entire life.
00:15:37
JJRose777
So. Okay.
00:15:38
Lee Hatfield
i can I can kind of envisage envisage you doing it like the the magicians on stage where there's a big flash, a big puff. They're like, okay, I'm here.
00:15:45
JJRose777
but
00:15:47
JJRose777
Flashbang.
00:15:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
00:15:49
JJRose777
Glitter everywhere.
00:15:50
Lee Hatfield
So but exactly, like flowing your hair.
00:15:55
JJRose777
Exactly.
00:15:55
Lee Hatfield
So how do you have to initiate it? Do you have to meditate or anything beforehand or can you just do it on a whim, so to speak?
00:16:04
JJRose777
On a whim.
00:16:05
Lee Hatfield
You know what I'm going to ask you next?
00:16:06
JJRose777
I'm very fast. I'm very efficient.
00:16:08
Lee Hatfield
You know what I'm going to ask you next, don't you? Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:11
JJRose777
Do you want me to pop on over?
00:16:13
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:16:14
JJRose777
all right. right, so what I'd like you to do before I do that is I want you just to kind of put your feet on the ground. i want you to take stock of the temperature in the room, how you feel, how your home overall feels, because you're a bit of a sensitive, you know that.
00:16:33
JJRose777
And just take a moment.
00:16:34
Lee Hatfield
I don't know that. I don't know that. But we'll talk about that in a minute.
00:16:37
JJRose777
We'll definitely talk about that because you're about to become a lot more sensitive once I pop over,
00:16:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:42
JJRose777
so So just kind of take stock. Okay, the room feels like this. I feel like that. Your head, etc.
00:16:51
JJRose777
Okay. So I'm in your back corner off camera. Diagonal to you. Go ahead and look over there. It's okay.
00:17:01
Lee Hatfield
Left or right?
00:17:02
JJRose777
I don't know. We're backwards on the camera. so Front corner to you.
00:17:06
Lee Hatfield
what OK. OK, this way.
00:17:11
JJRose777
Yeah, there you go.
00:17:12
Lee Hatfield
OK.
00:17:13
JJRose777
Okay, and I'm going to come a little closer.
00:17:16
JJRose777
a lot closer now. It's not that big of a room, sorry.
00:17:22
JJRose777
All right, and do you feel any temperature change?
00:17:25
Lee Hatfield
I do feel a slight. kind of slight coolness. But i I kind of question that to say, well, is that what you're doing? Or am I kind of getting like goosebumps because of what you're doing? So does that make sense to you?
00:17:43
JJRose777
Yeah, a hundred percent. Okay. So with your consent and permission, I'm actually going to walk into your energy field. And this is going to a little intense.
00:17:52
Lee Hatfield
Go ahead.
00:17:54
JJRose777
Okay.
00:17:56
JJRose777
And I'm just going to ground you real quick.
Spiritual Connection Without Physical Presence
00:17:59
JJRose777
See, not scary. You're not freaking out, right?
00:18:03
Lee Hatfield
It takes a lot to freak me out. i was in the the emergency services for 25 years. So it's like,
00:18:07
JJRose777
Yeah. This is fine.
00:18:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah.
00:18:12
JJRose777
Do you feel any different?
00:18:14
Lee Hatfield
Like I say, still feel cool. But again, yeah exactly the same kind of thought process.
00:18:21
JJRose777
So some people tend to feel me as very warm. i'm i'm I bring a lot of heat. If you were here right now, my skin to the touch feels cold.
00:18:32
JJRose777
But if you put your hand two inches from my skin, I'm like a heater. What's interesting, though, is others sense me as cold. It gets very cold when I show up.
00:18:44
JJRose777
But what I've found out is you all are the type when a ghost or a dead person is around, you tend to get warm. So when it's alive, you get cold. And when it's dead, you get warm. You're like flipped from me because when the dead come around me, I get very cold.
00:19:01
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:19:02
JJRose777
So basically all I did, Lee, is I just grounded you really quick and stepped into your your energy center. And then I'm kind of in front of you on the desk. Is there something you want me to explore in your house?
00:19:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so in that same location, i have the TV's kind of over there. But to the right, there's a shelf, like a bookcase-y type thing.
00:19:22
JJRose777
OK.
00:19:25
Lee Hatfield
But there's something specific, if you can, in the middle of that shelf unit.
00:19:32
JJRose777
Is it the dinosaur thing?
00:19:34
JJRose777
Am I on the wrong wall?
00:19:35
Lee Hatfield
so they Well, there are dinosaur over there.
00:19:40
JJRose777
Yeah, that's where I'm
00:19:41
Lee Hatfield
I think.
00:19:43
Lee Hatfield
OK, so where the dinosaur are, what's on top of the shelf?
00:19:48
JJRose777
on the top tippity top
00:19:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:52
JJRose777
it's like a box hold on it looks like a box but with a frame so i can't tell if it's either
00:20:01
Lee Hatfield
So there's actually two parts to the shelf in question. So I've got something on the back end of it and then something on the front end of it.
00:20:10
JJRose777
Is the front like framed and then the thing behind it is a box? Is that why I'm getting confused?
00:20:17
Lee Hatfield
a I would not say it's a frame as such, but what is there is on kind of like stanchions kind of things.
00:20:28
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:20:29
JJRose777
Like on a stand?
00:20:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so I've got a shelf here, I've got a shelf here, and then I've got a shelf here. Just to put it... So right on the very top, it's in kind of two halves, but also the shelf on the side, if you want to go there to make it easier.
00:20:48
JJRose777
Okay, so I'm not on the right shelf, the the box and the frame thing.
00:20:51
Lee Hatfield
Well, no, the dinosaurs are over in that in that far corner, yes.
00:20:56
JJRose777
Okay, so I went to the shelf on top of the dinosaurs.
00:21:00
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:01
JJRose777
Okay, is that where the thing is that you're talking about or in the other shelf?
00:21:04
Lee Hatfield
Correct. Now, that's where that is, yeah.
00:21:07
JJRose777
Okay.
00:21:08
JJRose777
I don't really know what that is, going to have to talk
00:21:12
Lee Hatfield
Can you tell what color is?
00:21:14
JJRose777
oh Oh, like a brown gray.
00:21:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it is a brown grey. So I will actually tell you what that is. Have you ever watched?
00:21:25
JJRose777
I don't know what it is.
00:21:28
Lee Hatfield
the Well, not everyone knows what it is. So that's it was kind of like a little bit of a difficult thing. So if you've ever watched The Avengers,
00:21:37
JJRose777
The movie.
00:21:37
Lee Hatfield
the very first.
00:21:38
Lee Hatfield
Yes, yeah, the movie. Yeah, it's the it's the the Lego helicarrier with the four engines.
00:21:40
JJRose777
Okay.
00:21:45
Lee Hatfield
It comes out the water. It's when Iron Man and the Hulk are all fighting. And it comes out the water and goes into space.
00:21:52
JJRose777
Is it made out of Legos?
00:21:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:56
JJRose777
Okay, Lee, I'm gonna have to Google this because, honey, I have absolutely no clue what I was looking at.
00:22:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Now, there's
00:22:01
JJRose777
I was like, is it a rock? But it's not a rock. It's like a toy, but it's not.
00:22:06
Lee Hatfield
no there' there's a lot there's a lot of LEGO
00:22:06
JJRose777
I don't know what that is.
00:22:09
JJRose777
Yeah, you're gonna have to, like, put a picture of that on the screen for everyone, including me, so.
00:22:10
Lee Hatfield
and and there's a
00:22:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah so just to okay yeah so if if you want to come over this side i've got another double bookcase but there's something specific on the top shelf
00:22:18
JJRose777
When this gets released, i need y'all need to see what I was seeing, and then you'll understand why I have no clue how to explain that.
00:22:29
JJRose777
OK.
00:22:34
JJRose777
OK.
00:22:40
JJRose777
The flag?
00:22:42
Lee Hatfield
There is a flag there, but something above the flag.
00:22:47
JJRose777
Triangle that thing.
00:22:50
Lee Hatfield
The flag does have a triangle on it, but forget about the flag. it's actually It actually spans both bookcases, and it's about yay big, about two to three foot across.
00:23:03
JJRose777
Oh, it's up at the tippy dee top. OK.
00:23:05
Lee Hatfield
Tippity top, yep.
00:23:07
JJRose777
Is that a bone?
00:23:10
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:23:13
JJRose777
Okay.
00:23:16
JJRose777
I got nothing late. I'm sorry. i don't know what that is.
00:23:18
Lee Hatfield
That's OK. OK, let me just quickly show you just for
00:23:23
JJRose777
Oh, okay. I was...
00:23:28
JJRose777
you tell me next time to just, like, rise to the ceiling? don't know. Looking up at that from my vantage point, it looked like a bone.
00:23:37
JJRose777
Well, because it's white and it's long.
00:23:38
Lee Hatfield
OK. so
00:23:42
Lee Hatfield
It's a big bone.
00:23:43
JJRose777
Sometimes, yeah, well, that's why I was like, this is a little, you're not supposed to have tusks.
00:23:51
Lee Hatfield
okay So one final little test.
00:23:52
JJRose777
Okay. Sure.
00:23:56
Lee Hatfield
In front of me, right in front of my screen, like right here, I've got a speaker, a small bar speaker. On top of it, there is five items. Can you tell me one of them?
00:24:09
JJRose777
coin are you talking about the pink sticker thing
00:24:11
Lee Hatfield
but There is a coin to the left, but that's not on the speaker.
00:24:20
Lee Hatfield
There are stickers. But they're a bit kind of like, so I've got another book, loads of bookcases, I tell you. And the monitor is on the bookcase, and then the little speaker in front of the monitor, like just there, and this
00:24:33
JJRose777
can you put your finger on the speaker you don't have to show me it just Thank you.
00:24:39
JJRose777
Oh, okay.
00:24:42
JJRose777
I hope I get this right.
00:24:44
JJRose777
I don't want to offend anyone, I'm not going to call them toys. They're action figure.
00:24:51
JJRose777
Isn't that the proper term?
00:24:53
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to give you that one. And i basically, I do have. So they're actually Napoleonic figures for Lego because I'm a big Lego fan.
00:25:05
Lee Hatfield
And I've got them across. But they're either side of the speaker, to be fair.
00:25:10
JJRose777
Okay.
00:25:11
Lee Hatfield
But I'm going to give you that one. I'm going to give you that one. So I'll put my finger on the speaker one more time.
00:25:18
JJRose777
So I see a coin, a rock, the action figures.
00:25:22
JJRose777
Is whatever you have warded?
00:25:25
Lee Hatfield
There is something that has a word on it, yes.
00:25:27
JJRose777
No, warded, meaning like spiritually protected.
00:25:32
Lee Hatfield
no Not that I'm aware of.
00:25:34
JJRose777
Because I'm not seeing the speaker thing. Like it's it's like whatever you're pointing to, it's just a void there. I can see everything on either side, obviously, because I'm calling out the action figures and stuff.
00:25:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Ethics and Boundaries in Astral Projection
00:25:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and like say, just for the record, the other side, I've got action figures as well.
00:25:52
Lee Hatfield
I've made that tough for you tonight, haven't I?
00:25:53
JJRose777
Oh yeah, a little bit. What was it?
00:25:57
Lee Hatfield
So i have this
00:26:00
JJRose777
Is it pink?
00:26:01
Lee Hatfield
car. it's It's red. It's kind of like a Lamborghini.
00:26:05
JJRose777
Okay.
00:26:06
Lee Hatfield
And then I have a little duck.
00:26:10
JJRose777
So the toys.
00:26:12
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Wow. And then have a little pig as well.
00:26:18
JJRose777
Oh,
00:26:21
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, so that was all gifts that people got me from one of the Comic Cons and stuff.
00:26:26
JJRose777
You have a lot of stuff in there, Lee. I'm not going to lie. i'm I'm a bit distracted in this room right now.
00:26:31
Lee Hatfield
What are you trying to say?
00:26:33
JJRose777
Listen, from one pack rat to another, hon. You should see how many how many rocks and crystals I have behind me.
00:26:37
Lee Hatfield
OK, then. So listen let's make let's make this. I know I keep putting you to the test, but yeah I also want to.
00:26:46
JJRose777
Well, actually, like let me ask you something. Because again, i'm I'm very utilitarian.
00:26:49
Lee Hatfield
OK.
00:26:51
JJRose777
So I'm not used to just random quizzical questions, which is fine. i Listen, in doing this, the amount of furniture I've had to Google to describe what I'm talking about to people is insane. So could be a furniture designer at this point.
00:27:08
JJRose777
In your kitchen, okay? So from the bigger room, when you walk into the kitchen... on the left-hand side,
00:27:21
JJRose777
third drawer down after the sink, so almost to the door outside.
00:27:27
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:27:28
JJRose777
Okay? In the back of that, on the right-hand side, there's something that I'm being told you need to reacquaint yourself with and the memory thereof.
00:27:44
Lee Hatfield
I'm not sure i' used that door for a long time. I'll have to go and have a look later, because otherwise it's going to be like a blank screen. I'll i'll be right back.
00:27:53
JJRose777
Well, can you pause the recording?
00:27:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, well, I probably could, but hey, Kelly, can you go to the third drawer down and tell me what what's right at the back of the cupboard, please? The what? The third drawer down.
00:28:08
Lee Hatfield
the kitchen? In the kitchen. What's right at the very back?
00:28:12
JJRose777
On the right-hand side.
00:28:14
Lee Hatfield
On the right hand side. Very back on the right hand side. She's What are you talking about? It's in the kitchen.
00:28:20
JJRose777
I'm sure she's delighted.
00:28:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:28:22
JJRose777
Thank you.
00:28:23
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah. so So while you're doing that, I know you've already mentioned that about the rules and limitations, but do you set other boundaries as well as like asking for permission and stuff like that?
00:28:38
JJRose777
Well, I mean, asking consent and permission and then when I'm there, obviously, so it depends what I'm being asked to do, right?
00:28:47
Lee Hatfield
there's a
00:28:47
JJRose777
Some people are like, hey, can you just check out the house?
00:28:49
Lee Hatfield
There's a lot. One second. There's a lot of utensils, but maybe that.
00:28:50
JJRose777
OK.
00:28:53
Lee Hatfield
OK. She says there's a lot of utensils in there.
00:28:57
JJRose777
On the back right-hand side of the drawer.
00:29:01
Lee Hatfield
Back right-hand side of the drawer. They're stacked this deep. She says it's stacked this big with utensils. but And box.
00:29:09
JJRose777
it's It looks like a PI server, but it's not.
00:29:10
Lee Hatfield
<unk>s a lot
00:29:17
Lee Hatfield
Is it like a pie server, Kelly?
00:29:20
JJRose777
but it's not.
00:29:21
Lee Hatfield
No way. Oh, she just said no way. don't know if you heard her.
00:29:26
Lee Hatfield
Just one second.
00:29:28
Lee Hatfield
it It might not be. Pie slice, pie server.
00:29:33
JJRose777
It looks like that, right?
00:29:35
Lee Hatfield
There's also a silver one. There's also a silver one there as well, the silver one.
00:29:37
JJRose777
The silver one. The silver one. So for you too when you get done with this fun recording, reacquaint yourselves with when you got that.
00:29:43
Lee Hatfield
just dont
00:29:49
JJRose777
I'm sure you already know. And why would she'll know.
00:29:52
Lee Hatfield
I'm a man. Of course I don't.
00:29:56
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:30:00
JJRose777
you will know. Reacquaint yourselves with that, who gave it to you and why spirit would want me to call that out to you specifically.
00:30:10
Lee Hatfield
Okay. i will We will get on that as soon as soon as we're finished, because otherwise it's going to be a blank blank screen.
00:30:20
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:30:21
JJRose777
so in regards to your question when when i'm popping over for whatever reason my b i like for instance if someone wants like a personal clean or can you look at this or etc try to just keep my eyes you know try not to be nosy unless people say please like go throughout the house and let me know that's when traipse around like i did in your kitchen
00:30:21
Lee Hatfield
so
00:30:46
JJRose777
And I will go and find things that spirit will say, this is important. There's a message behind this for you specifically.
00:30:54
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:30:56
JJRose777
Sometimes they're very inane things like, you know, a high server. But when you think about, okay, so-and-so gave that to me. Oh, we haven't talked to them in a very long time.
00:31:09
JJRose777
We've been meaning to reach out. Maybe this is your impotence to do that. in order to solidify that connection and or maybe something's going to potentially happen with those people they've been on your mind and you just haven't pulled the trigger and made the phone call or sent the email or the message however we contact each other nowadays so it doesn't always make sense at the time either i've had situations where i've asked people hey you need to keep your eye on this and nothing at the time makes any lick of sense and then all of a sudden in three weeks it makes perfect sense
00:31:15
Lee Hatfield
right
00:31:45
Lee Hatfield
We do have quite a specific
00:31:49
Lee Hatfield
shower curtain if you want to go and have a quick look.
00:31:53
JJRose777
The polka dotted one?
00:31:56
Lee Hatfield
There's two. We have two shower curtains, one for the inside and one for the outside.
00:32:02
JJRose777
Lee, you're killing me right now.
00:32:04
Lee Hatfield
but but one But one of them is polka dot, so I'm going to give you that.
00:32:10
JJRose777
Okay.
00:32:11
Lee Hatfield
OK. OK.
00:32:12
JJRose777
Which bathroom, Lee?
00:32:12
Lee Hatfield
Listen. That way.
00:32:14
JJRose777
You didn't say I could go in your head. So, I mean, it would be a lot easier if we did it that way. All right.
00:32:20
Lee Hatfield
go it Go in my head. I'm looking at it now.
00:32:24
Lee Hatfield
I can see it from here. Very dark, but I can see it.
00:32:29
JJRose777
Unfortunately, I'm not that great with movies and stuff, but I think that's a scene. i want to say it's like The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings, but I don't necessarily know what that is.
00:32:40
Lee Hatfield
You're so close. Think about another castle.
00:32:45
JJRose777
Harry Potter?
00:32:48
JJRose777
There we go.
00:32:49
Lee Hatfield
and She's shaking her head now, going, no way. Okay. 100%, I'm giving you that one.
00:32:56
JJRose777
Thank you.
00:32:57
Lee Hatfield
You can relax now. We can relax.
00:33:00
JJRose777
I'm like, I don't even know. yeah
00:33:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah should But just for the record, if you haven't seen Harry Potter, you need to start watching it.
00:33:08
JJRose777
Okay, I've been told this like 800 times now. I promise it's on the list.
00:33:12
Lee Hatfield
801. You have watch it. you have to watch yeah
00:33:16
JJRose777
Roger that.
00:33:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So are there any dangers to astral projection?
00:33:23
JJRose777
Yeah. A lot.
00:33:25
Lee Hatfield
Such as?
00:33:26
JJRose777
arms First things first, if I can give just a PSA warning to anyone who's interested in in doing this work. Consent is key. Okay.
00:33:38
JJRose777
Open areas like parks or, you know, it's a big reservation type area or preserve type of thing. I'm looking for words.
00:33:50
JJRose777
That's fine. But if you're looking for something specific, just be aware that there are people and beings who can see you and sense you. So I made the mistake once of being nosy and wanting to find a Bigfoot because people always talk about it. I'm like, i don't know that much about it. Why not?
00:34:11
JJRose777
And I happened upon a family of them, astrally, obviously, and was told very strongly You are not wanted here. do not come looking for us again and leave now.
00:34:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Do do do do do.
00:34:23
JJRose777
And I felt really bad because I felt like I just barged in on someone having family time and was like, that was rude. And I don't like being rude. So number one, also, you know, especially if it's another human, don't do weird things, please.
00:34:39
JJRose777
People, you know, someone could be in the bathroom or in the shower or,
00:34:41
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:34:44
Lee Hatfield
do do do you do do diter did-oo
00:34:47
JJRose777
Yeah, or worse, right? like You could pop it in a very inopportune time. So, so you know, again, like consent is key.
00:34:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:34:57
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:34:57
JJRose777
The other thing is there are people like myself and others, as well as we'll say larger institutions, for me to just frame that in a nice way without getting us taken away from YouTube, that no people can do this.
00:35:16
JJRose777
and therefore have people also like me who can protect and ward against it. So I have my home and area warded very specifically and I have warned people that I work with, please do not try to jump here.
00:35:35
JJRose777
I understand that I'm a safe space only if I give you permission. And I had someone very lovingly who was very energetic and excited and who tried without my consent and hit my wards. Now one bounced off and it was very unpleasant. The other one had the other unpleasant effects, which is i make it extremely unpleasant so that no one will cause harm to my place.
00:36:03
JJRose777
And I can tell you there were years ago strings of robberies in my neighborhood and our house was never touched specifically. I don't think they would make it past the driveway. We'll put it that way.
00:36:14
JJRose777
So I'm some, and you're not going to die, but it's just going to be very uncomfortable and you're going to have to do laundry a couple times. We'll put it that way. Yeah.
00:36:26
Lee Hatfield
So before we move on to the next subject, I've got one question. So if you decide to do it without consent, just hypothetically, and the location that you go into, if there's somebody there that has...
00:36:44
Lee Hatfield
like mediumistic skills of some description, would they be able to sense you there as if they are like dealing with the spirit?
00:36:57
JJRose777
Sometimes it would feel Well, i mean, it also depends on that person's background and how they sense Sometimes it's going to feel like a spirit Sometimes it also could feel Like, imagine if I just barged on into your home when you two were asleep.
00:37:11
JJRose777
you're I'm an intruder. Whether you know that's a physical human person walking through the door and you can hear it, or an energy of a person, it's going to feel intrusive.
The Salem Witch Trials and Personal Connection
00:37:22
JJRose777
And I don't know about you, but for me, if someone's intruding, I'm going to get very angry and nasty.
00:37:30
JJRose777
So... Most of the time, i would suspect if it's like an average person, they're going to think it's a bad spirit or something, you know, trying to attack them. You know, I've had a situation where we were literally in the middle of nowhere.
00:37:46
JJRose777
had no clue where, I mean, GPS didn't even know where we were. i couldn't find the city name. we were just in the middle of nowhere. And I was freaking out that we were never going to get home in the hills have eyes type of a movie situation.
00:37:59
JJRose777
And so, you know, Sixth Sense, I have that open and I'm scanning, trying to figure out where are we, are we going in the right direction? And we start, I see civilization way far in the distance.
00:38:12
JJRose777
And suddenly I hear, close your eye girl. And I'm like, oh that was loud and in my head. And i keep looking and it said, shut your third eye now.
00:38:25
JJRose777
Do not look. And I'm like, okay. So I did. And as we rolled past, I realized, oh, we're a certain government establishment facility.
00:38:39
JJRose777
And they have people like me who are aware of prying eyes, who are giving warnings. So the nice thing is, is they knew in advance, I wasn't, I didn't even know where I was.
00:38:50
JJRose777
didn't even know that was close to there. So they gave me a warning, you know, shut it down, stop looking.
00:38:52
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:38:57
JJRose777
I cannot imagine if it was just somebody untrained who knew no protections, who was trying to look at that, what those potential repercussions could be. I have heard horror stories.
00:39:12
JJRose777
I have not experienced them, but I can tell you, i do know of one case in particular of someone who
00:39:21
JJRose777
Astral Projected went way too far, had no protections whatsoever, and they've lived out the rest of their years in a facility drooling and not being able to talk.
00:39:32
JJRose777
Like, they're gone. It's separate from the human body.
00:39:33
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:39:36
JJRose777
and Knowing that one situation, that's why I'm more on the, I'd rather urge caution and also just don't be rude. Don't stick your nose into business you don't want to be involved in.
00:39:49
JJRose777
And with this work, just remember, you know, governments across the world, not just the United States or Canada or Britain, across the entire world have spent billions and trillions of dollars into programs studying people like myself.
00:40:07
JJRose777
So you don't think they're not going to have a couple people of their own? I mean, there's wars with on wars. There's not just the ground wars that we all hear about happening. So yes, I do advise caution.
00:40:17
Lee Hatfield
make okay That makes perfect sense. And what we've been doing for the last, well, 42 minutes already brings us nicely on to a subject where if you were doing this back then, you would probably not be with us for much longer.
00:40:41
Lee Hatfield
And what I'm now talking about is the Salem Witch Trials.
00:40:48
Lee Hatfield
which I believe you've got a little bit of knowledge about. Just a little bit.
00:40:52
JJRose777
A little.
00:40:53
Lee Hatfield
Just a little bit.
00:40:53
JJRose777
lot.
00:40:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:56
JJRose777
Yes, I also have a personal familial connection.
00:40:56
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:40:58
JJRose777
i am a direct descendant of one of the women who was hung in the Salem Witch Trials. It is an absolute tragedy, a travesty, and America's first government cover-up.
00:41:15
JJRose777
So there's a lot. I know that I've spoken about this before on other platforms, but... it really is near and dear to my heart for so many different reasons besides the family connection, which I didn't even know until you know years ago. I found out by watching the history channel that I was a relation.
00:41:32
JJRose777
I can remember being 12 years old, learning about this in school and being so incensed that adults, especially Christian adults who were so pure. i mean, that's why they call them the Puritans that, you know,
00:41:50
JJRose777
at the time, England and the Church of England was an absolute disgrace to them because it wasn't following the word of God, it was following the word of man. And so they came over here to this new world, which is extremely brutal conditions.
00:42:04
JJRose777
You know, between the rocky soil and the weather being so different and nothing being easy, they had no electricity, no power tools, no AI help, everyone.
00:42:15
JJRose777
you know both pose You know, I mean, if you made it over the ocean, you were lucky, right? Let alone to get here and then try to just live was very harsh.
00:42:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:42:26
JJRose777
And the East Coast of the United States, as you know, you're you're somewhat close on that part of Canada. it's It's not an easy terrain to navigate, it especially back then when you had to build your shelter from scratch, etc.
00:42:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:42:40
JJRose777
So you already had this very tight-knit group of very hardened people just by the conditions that they were living in, and they were so dogmatic.
00:42:46
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:42:50
JJRose777
So automatically, I put them at a higher bar of expectation for what they would buy into to find out that they were taking the word of 9 and 12-year-olds and killing God-fearing adults.
00:43:08
JJRose777
And then to look at the multi-layer behind it of, it was actually these three, two, two brothers, three men who really, it was a land grab.
00:43:22
JJRose777
And then there's the potential that they did have a really rainy spring that year. And there was a potential of having ergot. So potentially they could have all been, you know, microdosing LSD.
00:43:37
JJRose777
and seeing a little bit of stuff and then the hysteria of these bored children comes along and then they're hanging grown adults and in all honesty none of the people that were hung were witches at all to my belief it's
00:43:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. If you just let me and interrupt for one second, this is actually closer to home, which I'm about to tell you, which is going to freak you out a little bit.
00:44:02
Lee Hatfield
So my hometown in England is Boston. The original Boston, not the fake one that's down the road.
00:44:10
JJRose777
Okay.
00:44:11
Lee Hatfield
Back in the sixteen hundreds prior to the Mayflower, we arrest, not me personally, I wasn't around then. I know lock it, but I wasn't quite around in the 1600s.
00:44:23
Lee Hatfield
They arrested people for their beliefs because it was against Henry VIII, I believe. We locked them up. They escaped.
00:44:34
Lee Hatfield
They went to Holland and then a year later jumped on the Mayflower, sailed across the Atlantic to New England.
00:44:45
Lee Hatfield
So people that were on that boat are the people you're now talking about.
00:44:51
JJRose777
Yes.
00:44:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, which is kind of like really – because people know about the Mayflower, but it's actually – it started – the group of people started in my hometown in England.
00:45:01
JJRose777
That's awesome.
00:45:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:45:04
JJRose777
Well, we might be long lost cousins then. If you've got any blood inhalation from them.
00:45:07
Lee Hatfield
Well, I'll have a look on a laok and alavolo on Ancestry afterwards, so see you if i can see if I can find where you are.
00:45:15
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:45:17
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:45:17
Lee Hatfield
So there was a lot of particular named people that were quite prominent in the witch trials.
00:45:27
Lee Hatfield
Do you want to talk to us about a few of those, please?
00:45:32
JJRose777
Where to start? I mean, my direct ancestor, Elizabeth Howell, she basically, you know, she was in her when this happened.
00:45:43
JJRose777
And the whole reason she ended up getting hung towards the end was because she actually spoke up and started yelling the people and saying, why are you taking the word of a 12 year old versus looking at the good deeds and realizing what's really happening here.
00:46:00
JJRose777
And that's really what started happening is in the beginning, it was these children who were the kids of the two men who were very angry and trying to sue everyone because they were entitled and they thought that they were own stuff.
00:46:17
JJRose777
And their kids just conveniently started, you know, saying, oh, these people are pinching us astrally, like what we would call astrally pinching us and and sending us bad dreams. And then some of the men would say, oh, this woman is making me think lurid thoughts about her because she's a beautiful woman.
00:46:41
JJRose777
Like it's her fault that he's having naughty dreams about another woman. Exactly. i Always blame them.
00:46:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:46:49
JJRose777
Don't get me started. So I have to be like super calm to talk about this because it's, it enrages me because unfortunately it's still happening.
00:46:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:47:01
JJRose777
And that's part of the problem that i I don't think a lot of people understand why i get so incensed and why I've tried to talk about this for the past year or two, because it's still happening. It's just happening in different ways.
00:47:16
JJRose777
We are taking the words of whether they're children or people who we know are doing this in order for a power grab or control or name other grabs there.
00:47:16
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:47:30
JJRose777
But they're making things up and they are deliberately getting people hurt or worse. And there are repercussions for our actions. And that's one of the biggest things that I like to talk about is we are responsible for our actions on this plane and on all the other planes.
00:47:51
JJRose777
And so if you can do the hard work and work on yourself here and be mindful of what it is that you're doing when you're out in the world,
00:48:02
JJRose777
You don't need to be a mean, nasty person to everyone. You also don't have to go up and hug everyone else too. Most people don't want to be hugged by strangers, just FYI. But if someone's crying and they need a hug and they're a stranger, could you be that person?
00:48:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:16
JJRose777
That would be really nice if you could.
00:48:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:48:20
JJRose777
So, you know, the Salem, it happened in in America. Unfortunately, it's also happened in Canada. they You guys had some more recent ones, actually.
00:48:30
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:48:31
JJRose777
and In Europe, I mean, in Europe alone, therere women were slaughtered just for being. And most of the time they were the village healer or They were the village elder where people would come to because they knew how to work with the land. They knew the plants. They knew things that would heal.
00:48:53
JJRose777
They could help the women going through childbirth. They understood science. And, you know, that's not allowed. Women can't know science. God, we could barely math and we were burned at the stake.
00:49:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:49:04
JJRose777
Oh. So, yeah, I'm sorry. I went on a total tangent on there.
00:49:10
Lee Hatfield
so That's OK.
00:49:10
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:49:11
Lee Hatfield
That's OK. Yeah. So who was Tituba?
00:49:16
JJRose777
Tituba. Tituba was, she was actually what we would call now, she was a slave.
00:49:18
Lee Hatfield
Oh, OK.
00:49:23
JJRose777
So the original family of the children that started accusing everyone, they lived in Barbados prior to coming up to the East Coast.
00:49:35
JJRose777
Because a lot of people forget that originally it was like Florida and the Caribbean. that was mainly found and that's where a lot of people from Europe would go first. And there were sugar cane fields.
00:49:47
JJRose777
And so the family lived in Barbados and they got Tituba when she was quite young.
00:49:50
Lee Hatfield
Amen.
00:49:54
JJRose777
So she was still an Island girl and still had family, but she worked for this family. And so when they moved to the East coast, they brought her with them. I don't think it was willingly. Okay. Let's just think about that.
00:50:08
JJRose777
So being an Island girl, If you've ever been with, on an island, you know, a it can get a little boring, right? You're around the same people, it's very cloistered, but a lot of island lore is sitting around it dark and telling stories.
00:50:31
JJRose777
And that's how a lot of information was relayed, especially from the older ways in different cultures. Everything was word of mouth and stories. So she grew up with all these fantastical stories and as she gets moved over to this east coast of the America with the Puritans of all people, she would entertain the children with bedtime stories of fantastical things and creatures and imagination.
00:50:55
JJRose777
These were puritanical people. They were not allowed to rethink or imagine anything other than the Bible. That was it. So these kids were having the time of their life with Tituba, who was telling them fun stories. And then the neighbor kids would come for slumber parties and get to hear her stories too.
00:51:14
JJRose777
So originally these kids were accusing other people. Tituba was like third or fourth on the list. The first one that they went for was, sorry, I think it was Sarah Goode.
00:51:29
JJRose777
And when they went after her, it was because she was a single woman, the seven-year-old daughter who was poor, but she was also the one in town who would help the women who were pregnant.
00:51:42
JJRose777
And so she knew a lot about childbirth and she could pretty much tell in advance when a woman, either the pregnancy wasn't going to make it or there was going to be a problem with the child. And they went after her first.
00:51:55
JJRose777
She also had a habit of when no one was having a child, no one needed to pay her. She would walk around with her daughter from house to house of the rich people and she would ask them for handouts of food, water, or could I come in and sit by the warm fire?
00:52:13
JJRose777
And when they would say no, because that's what they did, she would publicly call them out for not being a proper Christian. You're not being kind. You're not sharing your food.
00:52:25
JJRose777
I do all of this stuff for you and you're not reciprocating. And she would yell it to the town because this is puritanical life. Anyone did anything against you, you yelled it out to everyone.
00:52:36
JJRose777
Very interesting. It's like social media now. So...
00:52:42
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:52:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:43
JJRose777
So basically they went, they accused her first to throw everyone off the scent. Oh, well she doesn't own anything. So this isn't a power grab. This isn't a land grab, but she's a witch because she was making people feel awkward.
00:52:56
JJRose777
Well, that left her seven-year-old daughter to wander around town with no home, no mom on her own. So around the third person they decided to accuse is Tituba because people started saying, Hey, there's something weird here.
00:53:11
JJRose777
You guys are are the family who's suing everyone for everything and now you're accusing people. So then they accuse their own, Tiduba. Unfortunately, you know, she goes into jail.
00:53:22
JJRose777
Well, they still have the seven-year-old wandering around. So about five people later, they accuse the little seven-year-old, eight-year-old girl. of witchcraft because it was an easy way to just get her off the street.
00:53:35
JJRose777
And this jail was horrendous. It was mud floor. You're in a concrete, basically, building and you're shackled to the wall and you're not able to go more than three feet.
00:53:49
JJRose777
So you're really not able to stand up. you're basically going to the restroom where you're sitting. Can you imagine being in a room with 16 other people who are doing all that?
00:53:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:59
JJRose777
And there were 19 people in total that were killed as a result of this.
00:54:04
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy. And I know you kind of touched on it at the but very beginning of talking about this, but they used spectral evidence as a form of proof.
00:54:18
Lee Hatfield
Can you take take that into a little bit more detail for me?
00:54:21
JJRose777
Yeah, so spectral evidence was basically the kids saying, someone's pinching me. You could not see anything happening. Or the kids would fall down and have a tantrum or a fit, which is basically just they're sitting there thrashing around on the ground.
00:54:40
JJRose777
And, you know, there's been a lot of people who speculated over the years that, oh, this could have been that one person actually had a seizure and the other kids mimicked it. Perhaps.
00:54:52
JJRose777
But why were they all able to stop at the same time? Honestly, I think it was fits of imagination. One would start it, the rest would follow, and they would do what they were told by their parents.
00:55:03
Lee Hatfield
And nowadays, that's called pseudo fitting. As a power medic, it's like, OK, you can stop now, get up. And they kind of like look.
00:55:10
JJRose777
Yeah.
00:55:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:55:12
JJRose777
Okay.
00:55:13
Lee Hatfield
So one thing that also I have a big question for. It wasn't just Salem in the US. There was many other locations.
00:55:25
Lee Hatfield
So what makes Salem stand out above the rest?
00:55:30
JJRose777
Salem stands above the rest because it really was America. What is America now? It really was America's first government cover-up. So Salem, where this all happened, wasn't Salem proper.
00:55:43
Lee Hatfield
so
00:55:46
JJRose777
It was actually a village township outside of the city of Salem. So the city of Salem is actually by the port, right? Where all the boats come in. These people decided to go, know, over there.
00:56:00
JJRose777
And so they're kind of remote. They're not close to anyone. And so really they just kind of govern themselves. So the big mayor comes over, does a visit, collects his taxes. And they tell him, hey, we've got an issue. We've got potential witchcraft. And he had already heard about this from Europe.
00:56:18
JJRose777
So he says, okay, we'll do what you guys need to do and handle business.
00:56:23
JJRose777
They took it way too far. People would go and would take notes in court every day in their journals of what was being said, what the evidence presented was, everything.
00:56:34
JJRose777
Everyone in town was documenting this. People were suing back then. We think California is a sue-happy state now. You should have seen back then. Everyone sued everybody.
00:56:45
JJRose777
So what these people were doing is they were logging evidence of all these proceedings and how awful they were and how the whole system was rigged. So when the mayor comes back six, seven months later, it's so out of control. All of these adults have been murdered at this point.
00:57:06
JJRose777
And he's like, whoa, whoa. And people in the town are telling him, we have notes. We're going to sue you and the crown for allowing this to happen. And he got scared.
00:57:18
JJRose777
So what he did is he ordered his troops to go around to every house and collect the journals of all of the court transcripts and destroy them.
00:57:29
JJRose777
Luckily, people hid them. And would give up one, but would keep the others. And that's why we have actual record of what happened today. and he was thinking, okay, well, we burned the evidence.
00:57:41
JJRose777
Like, we're good. Well, then we had all the dead people to contend with. And then because these kids at this point were so out of control, they accused the mayor's wife of being a witch.
00:57:55
JJRose777
And that's when he shut the whole thing down. and that's when he pointed the finger and said, this ends now. Like, we're done. and stop the entire thing. It literally took his own wife being accused by these children in order for him to stop it.
00:57:55
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:58:12
Lee Hatfield
wow And that actually does kind of bring me to the next question, which you just answered, like, yeah how did the the trials eventually come to an end, which you've just answered.
00:58:23
Lee Hatfield
So I'm going to quickly flick to the next one. So when it finally came to an end and this mayor had had enough, there must have been some people that were still imprisoned, per se.
00:58:34
Lee Hatfield
Were they just released and allowed to go on the merry way, or did something actually happen to them?
00:58:39
JJRose777
Yes, they were all released.
00:58:42
Lee Hatfield
and just like, okay, sorry, off you go.
00:58:45
JJRose777
I mean, to be honest, there weren't many that were left alive,
00:58:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:48
JJRose777
Yes.
00:58:50
Lee Hatfield
So one person that does strike a chord to me and is a typical person that I could get on really well with is Giles Corey for being such a stubborn individual.
00:59:10
Lee Hatfield
And I'm going to let you tell the story.
00:59:13
JJRose777
So Giles Corey is the one who was the one odd death. So everyone else was hung. Giles Corey, instead of hanging him, they wanted him to confess and to bring others down with him. Because that's the only way you could get free is if you confessed and then accused three other people.
00:59:32
JJRose777
So yeah, real fun. Makes total sense. So with Giles Corey, they wanted him to confess and... they basically made him lay down and put huge stones on him.
00:59:45
JJRose777
And he refused to confess. And basically his last words were put another one on.
00:59:52
Lee Hatfield
yeah is it Is it true, because I know I've seen it or read it somewhere, that they actually put his cause of death as suicide because he he could have offered up that information at any time and he could have stopped it.
01:00:09
Lee Hatfield
So because he didn't, they actually deemed it suicide.
01:00:13
JJRose777
I'm not sure what they deemed it back then. Again, you know, suicide would have made sure that none of these people were buried in the the normal graveyard. with the normal Christian rights.
01:00:25
JJRose777
and And this is why some of the graves had to be moved after the fact and officially forgiven by the government years later. So I'm not 100% sure of that specific aspect.
01:00:37
JJRose777
That being said, that would definitely fall in line with some of this. But again, you have to look at it from a justice perspective. Does it make sense that the only way you can be deemed free to go is to admit that you're guilty of something you didn't do And then on top of that, you have to then give up three other people's names of something that you don't even know if they're guilty of.
01:01:10
JJRose777
Otherwise you're automatically sentenced to death. So everyone that died, died because they said, I'm not a witch. I'm not doing witchcraft.
01:01:19
JJRose777
And this is why
01:01:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:01:21
JJRose777
today We have our legal justice system the way that it is, where you are considered innocent until proven guilty, which we still have that in America in case.
01:01:31
Lee Hatfield
yeah and that's
01:01:34
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:01:36
JJRose777
Let's stamp this in order to make sure that works.
01:01:39
Lee Hatfield
that the
01:01:40
JJRose777
But, yeah.
01:01:41
Lee Hatfield
Don't go there. Don't go there. Yeah, because its it's actually quite interesting because, like I said at the very beginning, the fact that you call yourself a white witch, you could have been one of those people back in the day.
01:01:54
Lee Hatfield
And now in this day and age, now we've got all these mediums and psychics and yeah paranormal investigators. A lot of those people, yeah including myself probably they because I'm from England,
01:02:08
Lee Hatfield
would be tarred with the same brush because they're actually doing stuff that other people don't agree with.
01:02:12
JJRose777
Yes.
01:02:16
Lee Hatfield
And I always find it fascinating when you get people that use a an ovulus or a spirit box and they get the word demon, and they ought to automatically think, oh, my God, it's a benevolent spirit.
01:02:31
Lee Hatfield
They're going to come and get me. But I like to kind of turn the table a little bit and go, well, how do you know they're not calling you a demon for using this technology?
01:02:43
JJRose777
Yes.
01:02:43
Lee Hatfield
And people always like to use the D word, always like to assume it's benevolent.
01:02:48
Lee Hatfield
Stop rolling your eyes, JJ.
01:02:50
JJRose777
Sorry, I'm just, yeah.
01:02:50
Lee Hatfield
Stop rolling your eyes. Yeah, yeah. And it's like people are so blinkered into, yeah, exactly.
01:02:58
JJRose777
Myopic, yes.
01:03:00
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, no, no, not no, no. just Just stop talking. You're making it worse. And it's and it's like That's why we kind of like go into investigations with an open mind and we will we will check things out that have a rational nature before we even look at anything.
01:03:15
JJRose777
Okay.
01:03:20
Lee Hatfield
So if we get the word demon, we don't immediately think, oh, my God, I'm going to die. i'm goingnna go yeah I'm going to burn in hell and all this kind of stuff. It's just like, well, yeah who's calling who a demon?
01:03:32
JJRose777
First of all, thank you for doing that. if If you want to annoy me really, really quickly, you can just tell me that everything's a ghost or a demon. This is why i'm I'm not able to watch a lot of the paranormal shows that are on TV. I get so incensed, I just start screaming at the TV and then I have to turn it off or I'll break it.
01:03:51
Lee Hatfield
yeah so
01:03:54
JJRose777
It's actually how I met my paranormal partner because i was watching one of those and was just incensed and I said that's it I've got to join one of these to straighten somebody out
Paranormal Skepticism and Spiritual Openness
01:04:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:05
JJRose777
and ended up calling him randomly and we've been very good friends family ever since I'm very very grateful I have a wonderful partner who like you feels the same way not everything is that easy to put into category box no
01:04:15
Lee Hatfield
and
01:04:21
Lee Hatfield
No. I know that I say it on a lot of podcasts because I want to get it out there that yeah this could be happening rather than than something being being benevolent.
01:04:34
Lee Hatfield
But people not people always say, I've been scratched.
01:04:35
JJRose777
Now,
01:04:38
Lee Hatfield
It must be benevolent spirit. So I can't
01:04:42
JJRose777
no this is starting.
01:04:44
Lee Hatfield
I'm talking shush.
01:04:48
Lee Hatfield
So i I kind of like to flip the coin and go, well, who says it's malevolent? Just because you've got a scratch does not mean it's a bad spirit.
01:05:00
Lee Hatfield
Because if I'm going to call you and one of us is not of this earth, you're not going to hear me. Well, you probably would, but I would probably not hear you if the table was turned. So if I call you and you don't answer,
01:05:12
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to call you call louder. And if that still doesn't work, and I'm then going to reach out and physically tap you somewhere. And i I kind of like to think that that spiritual connection could be what's causing a scratch.
01:05:28
Lee Hatfield
Not that it's benevolent, the fact that it's a spirit trying to get your attention by giving you a tap, just to say, I'm here. And a lot of people need to understand that, that it's everything's not bad.
01:05:43
Lee Hatfield
There are some things that are bad, but not everything is bad. So just because you've got a scratch doesn't mean that it's a demon or you're going to get like an attachment for the rest of your days.
01:05:56
JJRose777
No, and I i think we all need to broaden our thinking a little bit more. Not everything's human. That's on the other side.
01:06:06
JJRose777
Most of what we coexist with that we don't see is not human or human-like.
01:06:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:06:14
JJRose777
So... In your example, something is trying to communicate and it reaches out and it has claws or it has long nails. I have a bird. My bird scratches me all the time. She doesn't mean to. says she's trying to let me know.
01:06:28
JJRose777
So, you know, and that might freak some people out more than it gives solace to. But honestly, like buck up, kiddo, because it's coming.
01:06:36
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:06:37
JJRose777
The veil's pretty much gone.
01:06:37
Lee Hatfield
and Exactly. And just for the record, is this bird a living bird or a spiritual bird?
01:06:43
JJRose777
Yes. He's living.
01:06:46
Lee Hatfield
I just wanted to put that. Yeah. So I just had to get that one out there. But it's it's weird. Like back in November, I helped somebody set up for a public investigation and I literally got touched for the first time and I was so over the moon about it. And I shouted from the rooftops.
01:07:05
Lee Hatfield
the like the rooftops I was in in a jail, and he's given me a guided tour, and I got this camera. And I literally got a stroke down the side of the face. And I thought, that was so cool.
01:07:15
JJRose777
oh
01:07:17
Lee Hatfield
But then I automatically got my, let's be logical about this. So I immediately scanned the room. decorators boards, paint on the floor, whitewashed walls.
01:07:30
Lee Hatfield
So I knew straight away that there's a pretty good chance that this was a sterile room because it's been redecorated. And the chances of there being spiders or cobwebs are very minimal because you could still smell the paint in the air.
01:07:46
Lee Hatfield
it It had been worked on that day. so yeah, it takes time for spiders to do. cut So I could pretty much rule that out straight away. And a few months later, when we went back to do an investigation, we had a medium with us.
01:08:02
Lee Hatfield
And I did not tell her about what happened in this room. And I said to her, can you sense anything about this room? And she went, oh, yeah, there's a man there just standing there looking at us. And I thought, hmm, is it the same person that stroked my face? And yeah you'd like to think yes, but you don't necessarily know it's the same individual.
01:08:28
Lee Hatfield
so And so that that was really interesting for me. And I love digging deep into these kind of things to try to
01:08:33
JJRose777
Yeah.
01:08:37
Lee Hatfield
One, put a logical explanation to it, which sometimes you can't. But then also for these non-believers to put it into such a way that it makes sense to them and it's not just complete BS and stuff like that.
01:08:56
JJRose777
I think ruling out anything physical is extremely important. It's part of my to-do list. A lot of people would think someone like me is immediately going to go to you know it something spiritual.
01:09:11
JJRose777
I probably debunked more things than people have realized. And the reason for that is because a lot of times it's just something physical going on.
01:09:25
JJRose777
curtain is blowing in the wind because someone left it open a crack and there's wind outside or you know something moved because the house is uneven or etc right you know you know all the reasons i mean at least with you you were in a jail you got a tender caress on on the face versus being slapped or you know clawed or something else i've i've heard horror stories of that by the way so that was nice and i also think that
01:09:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:09:54
JJRose777
the skeptics, if you will. and And I'm talking about the hardcore skeptics, the ones that even if you give them all the evidence in the world, they're still not going to believe.
01:10:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:10:06
JJRose777
I think that really comes from their own fear. And that's their own thing to deal with. That's not a me job, right? I'm not here to babysit. Like, you'll get there when you get there. That's fine.
01:10:17
JJRose777
But I really do feel know as my warning, the veil is pretty much gone. Like, we have peep-throughs happening more than anyone realizes.
01:10:32
JJRose777
We are seeing into different dimensions. They're seeing us. We're interacting with each other. It's happening more and more and more to to people who have never had anything happen to them ever.
01:10:43
JJRose777
they're now having experiences and their experiences that they're not able to replicate, they're not able to duplicate. No physical thing makes sense. It was their own experience and that gets them to have a spiritual awakening, whether it's super fast, which can get a little hairy when it's too fast sometimes because there's spiritual psychosis.
01:10:52
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
01:11:05
JJRose777
A lot of people don't know that. There's religious psychosis as well. We just had a great example of that with this whole rapture business happening online. that was interesting so so you know and and on that note if anyone did believe in the rapture was coming or if you heard about it and was that on that side of tiktok like i mistakenly somehow got on i was always raised with the notion of it is actually an honor if you are left behind
01:11:16
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
01:11:37
JJRose777
Because that means that you have an important job to do on behalf of spirit and source. And that is when you're helping other people, the people who get to be just up and taken away.
01:11:51
JJRose777
That's the easy route. I don't know about you, but like, I'm here to, to do hard work and and to help. So for me, I mean, yeah, don't get me wrong. Depending on the day, some days I'm like, could we abduct me for a couple of days?
01:12:03
JJRose777
Cause it would be a vacation. dont like,
01:12:05
Lee Hatfield
but
01:12:05
JJRose777
do yeah
01:12:07
Lee Hatfield
on percent
01:12:07
JJRose777
but That's just me being dramatic and stressed out, right? I need a nap and then I'll be fine. But honestly, if the true me and my true heart is i do want to help other people. and And I really, really feel that they're going to be less and less skeptics that we're all going to be running into.
JJ's Future Plans and Conclusion
01:12:26
JJRose777
And hopefully some of them will be privately listening to shows like yours and others where they can start hearing, Hey, there are safe places for me to explore these beliefs and not everything is so scary.
01:12:39
JJRose777
I get it. Fear sells, right? Sensationalism sells. This is why I'm not a lot of razzle dazzle. Like look at me. I'm pretty normal person. I am don't wear hippie skirts. I don't have 84 crystals hanging off of me, you know, like I'm,
01:12:53
JJRose777
I'm pretty average and normal. And I am extremely blessed that I live not only in a country, but also a state that I can walk down the street wearing a shirt that says I'm a witch.
01:13:05
JJRose777
And no one looks at me twice. They think it's cute. And most people ask me questions. I'm blessed for that. There was a time and there are still places in this world where people cannot, people don't even know that currently right now, 2025, there are countries that are having active witch killings and witch hunts.
01:13:30
JJRose777
And if you guys thought Salem and what happened back in Europe was bad, I don't want to tell you the horror stories of what's happening now. It's horrific. So,
01:13:41
JJRose777
I wear those things with pride. I say that word with pride and also to try to show people we're not scary.
01:13:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:13:54
JJRose777
I'm also an ordained minister. I was raised in a metaphysical Christian household. If you want to go toe-to-toe with me about the Bible, I'm happy to. i As long as you are up for having a conversation and listening, because in order to understand the Bible, you also have to understand history, right?
01:14:13
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
01:14:13
JJRose777
And I think that's the part that gets missed a lot.
01:14:13
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. exactly
01:14:17
JJRose777
So, you know, I don't have... i just want to create... a space in a world where people are kinder to each other. Literally, i i have t-shirts made that says kindness will never be canceled.
01:14:30
JJRose777
And I made these specifically not only just because cancel culture, but also because people being kind is genuine. And that is the part about humanity that really is wonderful.
01:14:42
JJRose777
Spirits are all around us constantly. Some of them really are spirits and some of them are other things that we would call a spirit because we don't know what else to name it. And I have a lot of those, trust me.
01:14:54
JJRose777
I'm like, I don't know what you are, but hi. So, Be kind. I mean, sometimes we're walking into their space, whether it's a garden or, you know, a preserve or a building that's been uninhabited.
01:15:10
JJRose777
You're in their territory. Would you like someone waking you up at three in the morning, screaming at you that you need to put on a performance for them? I personally would be very annoyed.
01:15:21
Lee Hatfield
And it if you do that tonight, I'm going to walk to California and I'm going to come and kick your butt.
01:15:28
JJRose777
then you're gonna have to research that uh the pie cutter thingy for me so
01:15:35
Lee Hatfield
JJ, it's been an absolute pleasure and we've had so much fun. I would love to invite you back for another episode in the future because I think we've got so much more to talk about.
01:15:48
Lee Hatfield
All the stuff that we haven't mentioned tonight. But I'd like to finally finish with what's what's next on the agenda for JJ?
01:15:59
JJRose777
Don't call them. Busy little bee. I am doing classes. I'm doing physical classes. Normally I was doing them on Zoom.
01:16:10
JJRose777
There is an absolutely wonderful sea salt therapy location near me. who has invited me to do classes there. talk a lot about salt and the positive aspects of salt, especially with spiritual protection and clearing.
01:16:25
JJRose777
So it's extremely exciting. I'm going to be doing physical in-person classes. I don't do a lot of in-person stuff. So this is fun. Lots of interviews. I'm going to be on TV in a couple months.
01:16:38
Lee Hatfield
You're welcome.
01:16:38
JJRose777
as well. So I, you know, I'm truly, truly blessed in, in all aspects, all these wonderful people like you that I get to meet.
01:16:49
JJRose777
I get to meet people from all over the world. i get to ask for travel all over. It's kind of like a 20 minute vacation for me. So thank you. your weather's much better than mine, by the way, little more humid, but so,
01:16:56
Lee Hatfield
you're welcome
01:17:02
JJRose777
You know, overall, i'm I'm a happy camper and just trying to remain healthy as we all are. trying to have a really fun holiday season.
01:17:12
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And just for the record, i do work for those people that check your passport. So next time you do it, I'll be asking some questions.
01:17:24
Lee Hatfield
JJ, until next time, it's been an absolute pleasure. We've had so much fun. You freaked the wife out on more than one occasion tonight, which I think is really funny. She's like... but But again, thank you for your time, and I can't wait to speak to you again.
01:17:40
JJRose777
Thank you, Lee.
01:17:40
Lee Hatfield
Have great rest of the day. Thanks. Take care. Bye-bye.