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S1 E38 Chucky Danger - Cryptid Investigator
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This week, i had the pleasure of talking with Chucky Danger, host of the Danger Zone Podcast, Researcher, and cohost of the Counter Cult Podcast.
I start off this week, by asking Chucky about his brush with death and earning him the nickname of 'Chucky Danger'
We talked about his first paranormal experiences seeing none human, fully body apparitions, getting the heebee geebies whilst out camping, and the realization that the owls he was hearing, were probably not owls, but maybe Sasquatch.
The topic then changes as we discuss Chucky's Ultra-violet light research, and the way that the forest changes through the UV light lens.
We end up talking about Infrasound, and how elephants hear with their feet
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Transcript
Intro
Meet Chuck Danger: Host and Adventurer
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. Today am delighted to have with me Chuck Danger who is the host of a new podcast called Danger Zone.
00:00:26
Lee Hatfield
He's a researcher which we'll get into later and he is also the co-host of the Counter Cult podcast. Chucky, welcome to the show my friend.
00:00:37
Chucky Danger
Glad to be here. How are you doing today?
00:00:40
Lee Hatfield
Not too bad, not too bad. I say, we're enjoying this nice warm weather. i've I've got fans on me to make sure that I stay cool. ah but fun yeah I've had to turn the the room AC off because the wife's on the couch watching the TV, but she doesn't mind.
00:00:48
Chucky Danger
That's important.
00:00:56
Lee Hatfield
I think she doesn't mind. OK, we're good, we're good, we're good.
00:00:59
Chucky Danger
Yeah, happy wife, happy life.
00:01:00
Lee Hatfield
OK. Exactly, exactly. So I'm going to start at the very beginning because we kind of touched on this when we was offline. Chucky Danger.
00:01:11
Lee Hatfield
Where did that name come from?
00:01:14
Chucky Danger
Well, i actually earned that nickname on a job site. working in construction and I was kind of the the main guy that did all the concrete pours when we did a water treatment plant in town.
00:01:31
Chucky Danger
And we had to do this
00:01:36
Chucky Danger
inner wall pour for some foundation work. So we were using a giant crane bucket to shuttle in the concrete. And the crane bucket was about three tons. So this thing isn't small.
00:01:50
Chucky Danger
And between lifts, I was talking to my foreman. And as we're talking, all of a sudden, he's like, Chuck hit the deck.
00:02:01
Chucky Danger
And so like I just went prone on the ground. And as I'm there on my belly, I felt this tick right on the top of my hard hat and the concrete bucket almost smushed me.
00:02:15
Lee Hatfield
Holy crap.
00:02:15
Chucky Danger
So yeah, it it was a really close call because the crane operator turns out he showed up to the job site, uh, still drunk that day and he wasn't paying attention to what he was supposed to be doing. And he came in with that concrete bucket real hot over the top of the wall.
00:02:37
Chucky Danger
And, uh, Yeah, if you didn't tell me to hit the deck, I would have not been here right now.
00:02:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and and that that professional word that you just used, smushed.
00:02:51
Chucky Danger
hey
00:02:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that that's crazy.
00:02:52
Lee Hatfield
So how long ago was that?
00:02:55
Chucky Danger
Oh, geez. That would have been when I was 1920. nineteen twenty Something like that. And then I showed up to the job site the next day in the construction form.
00:03:00
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:03:04
Chucky Danger
It's like, hey, Chucky Danger! and slow it
00:03:08
Lee Hatfield
And it's stuck ever since.
00:03:09
Chucky Danger
kind of just yeah just kind of I earned that one.
00:03:13
Lee Hatfield
Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah. you're You're keeping that one, mate, for the rest of your life. 100%. Yeah.
00:03:20
Chucky Danger
Exactly.
Early Paranormal Experiences
00:03:21
Lee Hatfield
yeah So when I first start talking to people, i normally get them to go right back to the very beginning when they had their first interest into the paranormal.
00:03:33
Lee Hatfield
So can you tell us a bit about that, please?
00:03:36
Chucky Danger
Oh, right to the very beginning. Well, back in elementary school when the teacher asked us in grade one, what do you want to be when you grow up? I think I wrote on a piece of paper, I want to hunt Bigfoot.
00:03:49
Chucky Danger
And it showed me putting a net over a big hairy guy in the woods. I think my mom still has that paper somewhere.
00:03:56
Lee Hatfield
Oh, you should have bought it. I'll just held it up.
00:04:00
Chucky Danger
Oh man, that artwork would be atrocious.
00:04:02
Chucky Danger
Yeah. um So yeah, i I kind of grew up watching stuff like Monster Quest and having a general interest in all things paranormal.
00:04:16
Chucky Danger
And then I kind of just started to experience things on my own. i had a pretty bad haunting when I was about 14 over the course of a summer.
00:04:25
Chucky Danger
And this ghost would come into my room and I'd see the full body apparition. It got really bad. But it wasn't just me. I had some friends over for sleepovers on separate occasions.
00:04:38
Chucky Danger
And one of the friends actually saw it. And the other friend, we we'd experienced this phenomenon where when you reach for the light on the headboard, you'd get this blizzard cold wind rush through the bedroom.
00:04:53
Chucky Danger
And he experienced that phenomenon.
00:04:53
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:04:58
Chucky Danger
So it wasn't just me.
00:04:58
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy.
00:04:59
Chucky Danger
And then when I moved away from home, my little brother took my bedroom and he actually saw this woman in white in this mirror made out of a bicycle tire.
00:05:12
Chucky Danger
So kind of odd that she stuck around.
00:05:14
Lee Hatfield
OK. Yeah. So did you do any kind of research in who this person might be?
00:05:23
Chucky Danger
i don't think it was actually a person.
00:05:25
Lee Hatfield
Oh, OK.
00:05:26
Chucky Danger
This thing was a bit of a trickster. So growing up, my great grandma would tell me stories of when she was a little girl. She lived on this farm house just out of town here.
00:05:38
Chucky Danger
And her and her sister would play this game where they would see who was bravest as the ghost would tuck them in at night. And she told me about this ghost that would come into their bedroom and it would tuck them in and stand at the end of their bed.
00:05:51
Chucky Danger
So when I started to experience this woman in white, I just thought it was the ghost that great grandma saw. Like, you know, they talk about stuff being genealogical.
00:06:03
Chucky Danger
So like, is this some sort of family ancestor or what?
00:06:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:06:08
Chucky Danger
But it was like a blonde woman in a very poofy Victorian dress with like the shoulder poofs and everything.
00:06:15
Lee Hatfield
OK, yeah, yeah.
00:06:16
Chucky Danger
And like the doilies around the fringes kind of. But you couldn't see her feet. but she was like floating across the room and like it appeared as if she was solid. It wasn't like a super translucent beam, but she like went in through the door and out the wall on the other side kind of thing.
00:06:34
Chucky Danger
But eventually she like ramped up her terror and she would stand at the end of the bed. She eventually started to stand on the mattress.
00:06:46
Chucky Danger
So like you could feel the imprints beside your feet and you know, i was terrified and underneath the blankets. And then one night she came up and as I was underneath the blankets, you could feel two fists pressed down right beside your head.
00:07:06
Lee Hatfield
Jeez.
00:07:06
Chucky Danger
Yeah, not my favorite. So I consulted with my mom and asked what I should do. And she's super religious and she told me to rebuke it in the name of Jesus.
00:07:21
Chucky Danger
And so the very last time that I saw it, it came into my room like the very first time. She glided across the room and then out the wall on the other side.
00:07:35
Chucky Danger
And and i just said, you need to go away and leave me alone. And then there
Sasquatch: From Curiosity to Encounters
00:07:40
Chucky Danger
was nothing for about a minute. And then right below the window, and just see the back of a head poke through.
00:07:48
Chucky Danger
And instead of being a blonde woman, it's like, black hair, but it looks wet and it's hanging down. So like you see this head like come through the wall and you just see the back of it.
00:07:59
Chucky Danger
And then it starts to turn like an owl. And the face that I saw was like this Cheshire cat grin of these long needle like teeth.
00:08:02
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Jeez.
00:08:12
Chucky Danger
And the eyes were like red laser dots. but like all the other facial features were just void.
00:08:17
Lee Hatfield
ja
00:08:20
Chucky Danger
It's like you were staring into nothingness. And then I i said, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. And it pulled the head back out the wall and I never saw it again.
00:08:30
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy, dude.
00:08:33
Chucky Danger
it It was terrifying.
00:08:34
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah. i can Why are you not in like ah in a padded cell or a straitjacket or something? Because that would scare the bejesus out of most people.
00:08:43
Chucky Danger
Yeah, mental fortitude, I guess.
00:08:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Exactly. But i I do love it how when you speak to people and they say that they experience things when like when they were kids, that they always think that the blankets over the head is going to protect them.
00:08:59
Lee Hatfield
it So it's it's that it's that concept of if I can't see it, it can't see me kind of thing.
00:08:59
Chucky Danger
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:09:06
Chucky Danger
Yeah, exactly. Well, anytime I would reach for the the lamp on my headboard, I'd get that blizzard cold wind and that was just as terrifying because like this happened during the summer and there's no way you should get that cold of an air in your bedroom.
00:09:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:25
Chucky Danger
Yeah. And like I didn't have a fan or anything like that.
00:09:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:27
Chucky Danger
i was just kind of left to the elements.
00:09:32
Lee Hatfield
So obviously after experiencing this, did your brother experience similar and did he do the same to to get it or how how did his experience take?
00:09:44
Chucky Danger
I think he just saw her on like one or two occasions and it was always just like a reflection in the mirror.
00:09:47
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:09:49
Chucky Danger
He never actually saw the full body apparition. it was more like he's playing on his computer. He looks in the mirror and it's like behind him kind of thing. But he never really went into great depth about what happened with when he saw it.
00:10:06
Chucky Danger
He's kind of quiet that way.
00:10:10
Lee Hatfield
I think I would be after yeah after what you've gone through, but to be fair. So how after that experience, what how did your life go on for you to then think, this is something that I want to investigate on a regular basis?
00:10:26
Chucky Danger
Well, then I started to have some odd occurrences out with my friends and out hunting. So, we'd go out camping at this lake that is like right up the hill from my hunting spot. Actually, you'd go down this forest road and down the hill and there's a nice private lake.
00:10:45
Chucky Danger
It's a provincial campground, but no one ever goes there to maintain it. So usually you're the only ones there when you go camping, which is really nice. Me and my one friend went out one night.
00:10:58
Chucky Danger
Everyone else was drinking and partying over by the fire, and we decided we were going to go out spearfishing at night. And so we carve up these spears out of willow trees, and we got our flashlights, and we're out there in the water, and we're looking for carp.
00:11:15
Chucky Danger
And as we're out there, we're right by a creek inlet that comes off the side of the hill. And we start hearing this sound that It's like almost like a wild boar grunting.
00:11:28
Chucky Danger
But we don't have wild boar out here in BC. So we're here both looking at each other like, what is that? And it was giving us the heebie-jeebies because like we don't know an animal out here that makes that sound. And we're like, well, maybe it's a bear making some weird noise we don't know about.
00:11:47
Chucky Danger
Like, well, I don't plan on encountering a bear like way steep in the lake. Thank you. So Let's go back to the fire with everyone else. And we just got out of there.
00:11:57
Chucky Danger
But so I kept that in the back of my mind. We went camping at another lake, this kind of a stone throw mountain range away, not very far as the crow flies.
00:12:10
Chucky Danger
And so we're camping out there. I was on ah ah heart medication at the time. So I was the only sober one there. So everyone else was partying really hard. We had music going all day long.
00:12:24
Chucky Danger
We're shooting potato cannons. Like we're having fun on May long weekend. And we were definitely the only people that were up there because we pushed through snow on the road to get in there.
00:12:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:12:35
Chucky Danger
So there was no tire tracks ahead of us. And we pull into the campsite, have all this fun. And then one night I was like, well, I'm going to do my party trick and see if I can't call owls.
00:12:48
Chucky Danger
So I go over by the edge of the lake and I do a great
Investigating Sasquatch Signs
00:12:50
Chucky Danger
horned owl call. And across the lake from me, I get a reply like almost right away. And I'm like, wow, that's fun. And so i start calling again.
00:13:04
Chucky Danger
and then all of a sudden there's another owl on the other side of the lake. And I'm calling and I'm getting this conversation with these owls and then another owl and then another owl.
00:13:15
Chucky Danger
And there's another lake that's like 200 yards away through the forest. And you start hearing an owl over there and an owl over there. And all in all, there was like 12 owls talking at the same time.
00:13:29
Chucky Danger
And i just thought that was amazing and fun. And I didn't think much of it. was kind of in a bit of an atheist phase in my life.
00:13:40
Chucky Danger
So I didn't have much belief in the paranormal at the time. And one of the girls comes up and she's like, can you please stop calling the owls? It's starting freak me out.
00:13:54
Chucky Danger
I'm yeah, no, no problem. um I had my fun. And as soon as I stopped calling and I started to go back to the campsite, the very first one that responded to me kind of devolved it from its owl hoot to a bit of a mix between a kookaburra and a chimpanzee, like a really, really fast chatter.
00:14:17
Chucky Danger
And I just thought I was a really stupid owl at the time.
00:14:21
Lee Hatfield
Plenty of those about, yes.
00:14:23
Chucky Danger
I was like, what kind of an owl makes this stupid sound? i was just laughing because it was funny. And so i I wasn't thinking anything funny was up.
00:14:37
Chucky Danger
And then later that night, most everyone had gone to bed. was like Four of us still up at the campfire, like four in the morning. We're just having like a heart-to-heart conversation around the campfire.
00:14:48
Chucky Danger
Still playing music though. So like, it's not quiet. And all of a sudden, right behind us, we got this gravel parking lot where everyone's got their trucks in a big semicircle.
00:15:03
Chucky Danger
And across that parking lot, we hear running really quickly. And then all a sudden, just like a rock.
00:15:11
Chucky Danger
And we grabbed our flashlights. We're freaking out and we're looking around. We don't see anything. And it sounded bipedal.
00:15:23
Chucky Danger
And we thought maybe someone was messing with us. So we looked around the campsite. Everyone else was like asleep or snoring and it was just us.
00:15:34
Chucky Danger
So we're like, well, that was weird. Maybe it was like a deranged coyote or something.
00:15:40
Chucky Danger
So
00:15:42
Chucky Danger
I fast forward to like 2020. I didn't know what a podcast was. I'd always just listen to music. And then I got introduced to podcasts and I got shown a X-Men podcast. And I was like, well, I'm not really interested in fiction so much. Like I'd rather like listen to something I'm interested in. Like I always loved listening to Bigfoot stories on like MonsterQuest. Let's see if there's a Bigfoot podcast.
00:16:07
Chucky Danger
And then I found Sasquatch Chronicles. And so I really dove into that and I'm listening to all these different accounts of people's stories. And, you know, I heard stories of people describing Sasquatch sounding like a wild boar grunting. And I was like, okay well, that sounds like when I was at the lake.
00:16:26
Chucky Danger
And then I hear all these stories about 800 pound owl calls. was like, okay, that's weird. I didn't know Sasquatch mimicked owls. And then there was one that gave me the chills because when I heard the guy say it,
00:16:40
Chucky Danger
It was like almost verbatim the way that I described it. He's like, was talking to this owl and then it changed and it went and sounded like a mix between a chimpanzee and a kookaburra.
00:16:55
Chucky Danger
And I was like, sold.
00:17:00
Chucky Danger
Cause he actually saw the thing.
00:17:00
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Wow.
00:17:03
Chucky Danger
So my theory is that we were up in like the middle of nowhere And we probably pissed off a family of them. And we got bluff charged in the camp, but never did actually see them.
00:17:22
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:17:22
Chucky Danger
So, yeah, just crazy.
00:17:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah yeah it it's really funny how you sort of like you you've got your checklist. Yep. Yep. Oh, crap. but
00:17:34
Chucky Danger
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
00:17:38
Lee Hatfield
So so I'm assuming that was your first sort of like, okay, this is what I like doing. This is what I'm going to get my teeth into. And this is what I'm going to you i'm i'm going to do as a as ah hobby moving forward.
00:17:53
Lee Hatfield
else do I say that's about correct?
00:17:56
Chucky Danger
It took a little bit longer actually. So I had a couple more experiences first. I was out hunting actually and while setting up for a hunting season, me and my dad, we have this one hillside that we like to hunt.
00:18:11
Chucky Danger
It's extremely steep and heavily forested. So like no sane human really goes in there because it's hard, hard work. And after it benches off a couple benches,
00:18:24
Chucky Danger
it starts to open up and you can actually see these well-worn deer trails on the side of the hill so i went in there with a brand new trail camera it's my first one that i've ever bought first time setting it up i did some research i find out that bears like to mess with trail cameras because they can smell your batteries in them and it smells like an ant colony So i'm like, okay, well, I'm going to set this up so that the bears can't get it because I don't want to my brand new camera ruined.
00:18:55
Chucky Danger
So I go to the trail. set up where there's all this deer sign. ah ah climb the tree and i angle it down with a piece of wood. So it's like seven, eight feet up in the air.
00:19:08
Chucky Danger
And I leave it for about a month. And when I come back,
00:19:14
Chucky Danger
The strap that's holding the trail camera to the tree is the only thing that's there. Something had broken the plastic buckle. So it's just hanging on a shred of bark. And I'm like, well, someone stole my trail camera.
00:19:29
Chucky Danger
And I'm mad, right? So like, well, maybe it was an animal.
00:19:31
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
00:19:34
Chucky Danger
I better just do my due diligence and look around. So I start doing a perimeter search and circling out from that tree up and down the hill. and I find my trail camera and it's beside a fallen over tree kind of in a V so it's well out of sight and the case had been opened and the tabs on the side to open up the the case to get at the buttons you need thumbs to open there's no claw marks there's no scratch marks but it's open and
00:20:12
Chucky Danger
and facing the sky really weird so I checked the photos on my camera and I got four photos the very first two in the very bottom left-hand corner of the frame there's just a little tuft of hair and that's all you see and then after that is just pictures of sky and it happened the day after I set up the camera
00:20:41
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:20:43
Chucky Danger
So it's almost like something came up from behind the camera, grabbed the case, pulled it off the tree, opened it up, and left it off the trail where it can't be observed.
00:20:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I'll show him.
00:21:00
Chucky Danger
Pretty much.
00:21:01
Lee Hatfield
actually Were you able to use that camera after then? Was it still serviceable?
00:21:10
Chucky Danger
It works intermediately. So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I did get some pictures of moose and stuff in another spot with it, but yeah, it seemed like every other time you go to set it up, it would be all screwed up.
00:21:27
Lee Hatfield
which is strange.
00:21:27
Chucky Danger
But i I still have it. Kept it as a memento.
00:21:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. This is my first Bigfoot camera. This is my
Sasquatch's World: Behavior and Environment
00:21:36
Lee Hatfield
second one in pieces. yeah So obviously coming from BC, are there many sightings of Bigfoot, Sasquatch, that kind of thing?
00:21:48
Chucky Danger
Oh yes, I would say it's probably the hottest place in the world for Sasquatch.
00:21:53
Lee Hatfield
All right.
00:21:55
Chucky Danger
The term Sasquatch actually originated in BC over by Harrison Hot Springs, where we have Sasquatch National Park.
00:22:02
Lee Hatfield
Oh, right.
00:22:05
Chucky Danger
Lots and lots of sightings over there.
00:22:05
Lee Hatfield
Now, was going to say was the Sasquatch called before, or was the park named after the Sasquatch?
00:22:13
Chucky Danger
I'm sure there's like some very hard to pronounce uh native names for it i'm not gonna try to attempt
00:22:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. yeah So once you've got really involved with looking for Sasquatch and cryptid way of life,
00:22:32
Lee Hatfield
You then started to look at it from a different angle.
00:22:37
Chucky Danger
yes because as i'm listening to sasquatch chronicles and i'm hearing all these different stories everyone wants to like figure out what is this thing right And you also see that big divide in the community. There's the flesh and blood camp and there's the woo-woo camp where anything supernatural just gets immediately dismissed.
00:22:59
Chucky Danger
Now, I like to approach it from a different angle. And I like to think, is there ah scientific way of explaining this instead of offhandedly just dismissing it?
00:23:12
Chucky Danger
Because I'm sure there's like some logical way of explaining this stuff. And the thing that kept coming up for me that really, really bugged me was the eye shine and the glowing eyes.
00:23:29
Chucky Danger
And that comes up quite a lot with Sasquatch. And so ah ah started looking around in nature all around the world. Like, is there animals that have this red eye shine Is there a way that animals can have glowing eyes at night?
00:23:49
Chucky Danger
What purpose does this serve? And, you know, also a lot of these Sasquatch sightings and encounters are happening at night.
00:24:01
Chucky Danger
So why are they out at night and how are they able to see? So, you know, they obviously have a really good night vision. And I started focusing on nocturnal creatures and I start looking at nocturnal creatures that are in that environment and i find this really cool UV study on owls and what they find is if you take an owl from my town an owl from down the valley south and you take an owl from up the valley north
00:24:40
Chucky Danger
and you spread out their wings, and you put a forensic quality UV flashlight on those wing feathers, the banding of those flight feathers will be different depending on the region where they come from.
00:24:54
Chucky Danger
So it really helps them identify where they belong and helps to end identify individuals. But they're doing this in flight with only darkness in order to see this.
00:25:09
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:25:09
Chucky Danger
which is fascinating. So they have a whole other way of communicating out in the forest that we can't see ourselves. And then I find pictures of flying squirrels.
00:25:23
Chucky Danger
And what you and I see are these little brown critters, brown or gray, and, you know, pretty bland, not very exciting. But when you put them under the ultraviolet light,
00:25:36
Chucky Danger
They get all kinds of crazy colors. They go bright pink, orange, and blue. And so while they're gliding from tree to tree, they're like neon little kites flying around.
00:25:51
Chucky Danger
So they have all these bright colors that they're expressing in the darkness that other animals that can see UV obviously can see as well.
00:26:02
Chucky Danger
And then I start getting into researching this myself and I buy myself a good friends, a quality flashlight. So you got the right wavelength and i go out and I'd start looking at plants and animals that'll sit still fall long enough that I can look at them.
00:26:19
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:26:21
Chucky Danger
And, uh, anything that is living emits ultraviolet light, but it's all in different wavelengths. So even you and I,
00:26:32
Chucky Danger
are emitting ultraviolet light right now. There's actually a really cool study that shows that humans have stripes and we're born with them.
00:26:42
Chucky Danger
But you can only see them in certain frequencies of ultraviolet light. And i almost think there was a time in history where humans were able to see that and that's how the origins of war paint came about.
00:26:57
Lee Hatfield
That would make sense.
00:26:57
Chucky Danger
Because it's almost like a tribal way of remembering the time when they could see it
00:27:04
Chucky Danger
now yeah and so I'm doing all this study and I find live heard from Doug high check that he was doing a study on grizzly bears in caribou and what he found is that they can see ultraviolet as well and they use it for browsing food.
00:27:04
Lee Hatfield
That would definitely make sense, yeah, for sure.
00:27:28
Chucky Danger
So if you've ever seen a grizzly bear, he's eating like at a huckleberry bush and he goes from this bush and he walks over 20 yards and he starts eating off another bush. What he's actually seeing is the most protein rich food and he's going and getting the most bang for his buck as he's eating.
00:27:49
Chucky Danger
So he's not going to sit there and waste his digestion on less a calorically dense food.
00:27:55
Chucky Danger
So
The Science of Sasquatch: UV Light and Infrasound
00:27:55
Chucky Danger
he's getting the best feed possible. And the same with caribou when they're eating lichen on the tundra. They can see that UV reaction in the lichen. And you can actually see this when you're looking at it with a flashlight.
00:28:09
Chucky Danger
The more protein dense plants will actually turn a really cool red color. And when you're messing around in the forest, like even stuff like little tree lichens that you can barely see on the tree bark because they blend in so well when you hit that with the UV flashlight at night they turn like a bright neon orange so it totally changes the environment and it's almost like the movie Avatar where everything's those really crazy expressive colors at nighttime so out of our visual spectrum that's what everything else sees
00:28:33
Lee Hatfield
Oh, Yeah.
00:28:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:28:52
Chucky Danger
which is really cool. And like flowers will express UV patterns to interact with insects. Like a daisy, for instance, is pretty bland and, you know, a white flower.
00:29:05
Chucky Danger
But when you hit with the UV, they got these little runways that run down the flower petals that direct the insects into them.
00:29:12
Chucky Danger
But they also use frequency and magnetism as well, which is really cool. because a bee holds a positive charge and the flower holds a negative charge, they can turn their flower heads towards where bees originate from. They can like hear the beehive, the the buzzing of it.
00:29:35
Chucky Danger
And then the bees have a better time at seeing those flower heads. And when they land on them, they swap their charges. So the pollen will jump to the bee. That's how that happens. So as it's getting the nectar, the pollen is actually jumping onto the bee as they exchange their electrons.
00:29:54
Chucky Danger
And so when it flies off, the next bee that comes along will sense that that flower has a different charge. And so a bee's already pollinated it, taken the nectar, so it's not going to waste its time trying to pollinate it.
00:30:07
Chucky Danger
It goes on to the next flower.
00:30:11
Lee Hatfield
Wow. yes so it's I love speaking to people like yourself because if im if I don't know a lot about a subject and then you just come out with what you've just come out with, I just go,
00:30:25
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:30:28
Lee Hatfield
And it's great that like I didn't know any of that existed. so but for you to
00:30:34
Chucky Danger
Sure.
00:30:35
Lee Hatfield
but for you yeah And I think a lot of people are probably in the same boat as myself. But would you say that some of the eyeshine from the different animals could be mistaken for a cryptid of some description because people don't know what they're actually seeing?
00:30:56
Chucky Danger
It could very well be because I mean, you often hear stories of Sasquatch being fully erect and, you know, seven, eight feet tall, or you can hear that they're right down close to the ground when they're doing their weird spider crawl.
00:31:12
Chucky Danger
So, you know, could that be and mistaken for another critter? Sure. And I've also heard stories of the eye shine on Sasquatch changing color, which I really don't have a good explanation for, you know,
00:31:28
Chucky Danger
Just because you get close on an answer doesn't mean you get the answer.
00:31:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:31:33
Chucky Danger
But I do think they're utilizing the UV spectrum. And I think they use this for gathering food and seeing at night because it's the most optimal spectrum in those low light conditions.
00:31:48
Chucky Danger
We would stick out like a sore thumb just just because we're emitting so much UV light. But so are all the other animals that it's hunting.
00:31:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:31:56
Chucky Danger
And... You know, your clothing matters too, because if it's UV reactive, you know, that could be either an attractant or maybe offensive to them.
00:32:08
Chucky Danger
Don't know.
00:32:10
Lee Hatfield
that,
00:32:10
Chucky Danger
One thing I find really interesting with Sasquatch is the rock throwing, because that gets reported a lot. And there's certain minerals in rocks where certain ones will glow in the UV light.
00:32:27
Chucky Danger
So they're fluorescent reactive. And this on my neck here particularly is called a uprolite. And it looks like just like a granite stone like this.
00:32:39
Chucky Danger
But when I put my flashlight on it, it turns like bright orange, like it's a burning ember out of a fire.
00:32:46
Lee Hatfield
Oh, Yeah.
00:32:47
Chucky Danger
So if Sasquatch can see in the UV and it's throwing these rocks that are actually UV reactive, They would look like little tracer bullets as they fly through the air.
00:33:00
Chucky Danger
Now, they're never meant to hit us, but they're maybe expecting a different reaction from us. They might just be having fun, really.
00:33:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:33:11
Chucky Danger
And especially with, like, gifting sites, they'll take a gift from a human, and then they'll leave something like a rock or a feather or a bone. And feather and bone, for sure, would be a little bit UV-reactive.
00:33:25
Chucky Danger
But if those rocks in particular are the extreme cases of UV reactive, that's sending a different message than, oh, I'm just going to give you a rock instead. It's a higher level of communication.
00:33:39
Lee Hatfield
Right. And it's interesting that you mentioned about yeah the the UV that humans and their clothes give off, because if it's going to be offensive towards these Sasquatches, I'm not sure if that's the plural, but it is now.
00:34:00
Lee Hatfield
they could also be know telling people to go away you know the throwing of the stones to you know to like i might i may be able to scare them off kind of concept if if it's a
00:34:12
Chucky Danger
Correct. I mean, even even tent material, it's usually a really bright color to be like all fancy for your campsite and everything.
00:34:22
Chucky Danger
But like they're probably really UV reactive themselves. And that's why they come along and they poke at them and they press on them and stuff like that, because. you You know, in a different visual spectrum that adds another layer of what is this?
00:34:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and So carry on.
00:34:41
Chucky Danger
So.
00:34:43
Lee Hatfield
Sorry.
00:34:43
Chucky Danger
I think it really just like broadens the world of like how Sasquatch interact with their environment.
00:34:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. How much i know you've mentioned a couple of people that have done research, but is this research getting bigger and bigger with regard to the Sasquatch, this UV theory?
00:35:03
Chucky Danger
There's a very few people that I know of that are actually using UV to do this. I know that Doug Hycheck was doing a study where they were trying to get hand oils from Sasquatch, uh, on like a rubber ball that they would leave out in the field and have it, have a trail camera by it.
00:35:23
Chucky Danger
And, uh, so, you know, you gotta think like these things are used in forensics. So if we can show a handprint on a wall, that's human, obviously it's going to be able to find a handprint on a wall. That's Sasquatch.
00:35:39
Chucky Danger
So the hand oils are called sebum and it is UV reactive. So when you get a story of like a Sasquatch coming up to a house and slapping the wall, you could go out with a flashlight and even though you don't see that handprint with your naked eye, you could put on the flashlight and see where that handprint is, take photos, get oil samples, send it off for DNA kind of thing.
00:35:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:36:07
Lee Hatfield
That's really, yeah.
00:36:07
Chucky Danger
But I mean, you, You got to do the proper chain of custody.
00:36:10
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure, yeah. Because yeah being as a paramedic, you've kind of been to a few dodgy locations, shall we say.
00:36:21
Lee Hatfield
And if the forensics have been there, They've obviously got the the UV and the can yeah they can pick up their the blood on the walls and that kind of thing.
00:36:31
Lee Hatfield
So i think it would be really interesting if we could literally use this technology to go out and just look at it through the entire evening and not take them off until obviously daylight comes, just to see what kind of differences that we experience.
00:36:47
Chucky Danger
Yeah.
00:36:51
Chucky Danger
I think the technology for UV vision is up and coming. There is some camera kits that you can get that are rather expensive and they're really bulky at the moment.
00:37:04
Chucky Danger
So they're not the most wieldy things, but, uh,
00:37:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. But it's interesting sorry yeah it's interesting that you mention about the eyes, though, because I read something, funnily enough, just yesterday where there's a deer that has a different colour eye compared to what time of the year it is.
00:37:25
Chucky Danger
Oh, yes. The caribou will do that.
00:37:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:28
Chucky Danger
Yep. Yep. Yep. So they will go from like a brown eye in the summer to a blue eye in the winter.
00:37:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because of the difference in the light.
00:37:37
Chucky Danger
Correct. Yeah.
00:37:39
Lee Hatfield
See, I've been doing my research.
00:37:40
Chucky Danger
Yeah. Really interesting.
00:37:41
Lee Hatfield
I've doing my research, dude.
00:37:45
Lee Hatfield
So...
00:37:46
Chucky Danger
Another thing that I studied up on with that in terms of the color is a lot of people say that mammals can't have that red eye shine.
00:37:56
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:37:56
Chucky Danger
And that's not true because if you go into other places around the world, there is mammals that express red eye shine and the tree kangaroo is one of them. So just because we don't have an example of it, like say here in North America, doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere else in a really weird creature.
00:38:16
Chucky Danger
So we could just have a really weird creature that has a very unique expression. Another one is the flashlight fish, and that explains possibly how the eye glow works. When there's no other source of light, and then all of a sudden you see illuminated eyes that can seemingly turn on and off, is what you get told.
00:38:43
Chucky Danger
The flashlight fish, their eyes can glow too, but what actually is happening is it's not the eye itself, it's the eyelid. And they have a little pouch in there that has symbiotic bacteria that they can turn on and off like a flashlight. So the eyelid itself will glow, bounce that light off of the fish to what they're looking at, and they'll receive that light source into their eyes so they can see in the dark.
00:39:13
Lee Hatfield
That's pretty cool.
00:39:16
Chucky Danger
So if Sasquatch's eyelids are very much the same, like they got a little
00:39:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:39:21
Chucky Danger
symbiotic bacteria in there they could do the same thing low light condition turn it on and they can see in the dark turn it off they're hidden again
00:39:31
Lee Hatfield
That is really cool. and it's ah ah yeah When you watch some of these nature shows, we're only just learning about the fact that there's, you know, illuminant coral.
00:39:47
Lee Hatfield
there Like you say, the illuminant fish. yeah
00:39:50
Chucky Danger
oh yeah
00:39:50
Lee Hatfield
things that we did not know that proverbially glow in the dark actually do. And it's that every day we're finding more and more things in nature that we didn't know about that actually have this this capability.
00:40:02
Chucky Danger
Yes.
00:40:05
Lee Hatfield
And I think you've kind of, you you've hit the nail on the head there. By going down this route, you're opening up a whole new channel of investigation just to...
00:40:17
Chucky Danger
Yes. It's doing that. It's broadening your horizons to see how the environment actually works and how it actually interacts with each other.
00:40:27
Chucky Danger
mean, i mean birds have such expressive ways of communicating with ultraviolet. I mean, there was just a new study on peacocks where they're finding that they can actually focus light on the eyes spots of the peacocks tail and they can turn it into a laser beam.
00:40:49
Chucky Danger
And it's not like the laser like you and I think it's purified light of a specific color in a very tight band. So it'll take the green light, focus it, and as it's shaking its tail feather, like you see when they do their little tail dance, it'll be like a laser disco show
00:41:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:11
Chucky Danger
and for the female that's watching this. And so another thing that happens when they're shaking their tail feather is it actually creates an infrasound.
00:41:25
Chucky Danger
So you're getting sound and light effect. which is really cool.
00:41:30
Lee Hatfield
and it's it's funny you mention infosound because that's something that can cause people to have hallucinations. But the technology that we're looking into with regard to infrasal is only just coming out.
00:41:46
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:41:46
Chucky Danger
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, infrasound is another really tricky one because you know, that's looking in another whole frequency and, uh,
00:41:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:41:55
Chucky Danger
they're finding that a lot of large mammal species around the world, the largest of their genus, all use infrasound in order for communication. Elephants do it in a really incredible way, where the matriarch of the herd will go on ahead to look for water, and through infrasound, she's miles away from the other ones, she can grumble out this message saying, you know, water's over here.
00:42:22
Chucky Danger
And that sound travels such a long way because it's such a low frequency that it has a long distance at that it can travel. But the elephant isn't actually hearing it with its ears. It's picking up the sound with the pads of its feet and it's hearing through its feet.
00:42:40
Lee Hatfield
Like, it's one of those moments again where, like, what? That is, wonder how they actually found that out, though. because i That's mind boggling.
00:42:52
Chucky Danger
It is. it is. The loudest animal on the planet is actually a really tiny fish, no bigger than the tip of your pinky. it It can click at such a high infrasound that it's inaudible to us, but everything else around can hear it. So when they started filming wildlife with these different audio capture methods, they found out that fish are actually very quite noisy.
00:43:24
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:43:24
Chucky Danger
And they're constantly talking and clicking and they make these weird chirps and stuff like that. So like they have their own languages. They're not just these silent little things flittering around in the water.
00:43:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:43:34
Lee Hatfield
that people yeah that people Yeah, that people think.
00:43:34
Chucky Danger
They got language.
00:43:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because infrastructure, please correct me if I'm wrong, is anything below 20 megahertz? That's about.
00:43:45
Chucky Danger
I can't remember offhand what
00:43:45
Lee Hatfield
Oh, is that huge? was actually Or is that human hearing?
00:43:49
Chucky Danger
what the range is?
00:43:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because Inversran goes below human hearing, and I think it starts at something like 20 megahertz, I think.
00:43:54
Chucky Danger
Yes.
00:43:57
Chucky Danger
An ultrasound is like way
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00:43:59
Chucky Danger
above.
00:43:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:01
Chucky Danger
Yeah.
00:44:02
Lee Hatfield
Matters.
00:44:02
Chucky Danger
So yeah, animals can utilize both. And you know, what we hear in an animal call might only be part of what the animal actually sounds like, because if you add in those other frequencies, it might be a totally different thing.
00:44:16
Lee Hatfield
and to think how much we could hear if we could hear ultrasound and infoset.
00:44:17
Chucky Danger
And I mean, and
00:44:22
Chucky Danger
I think it would be really cool if people could invent audio capture methods for totally different bandwidth, like gamma. And like we use radio waves and everything for ghost hunting when we use spirit boxes and stuff.
00:44:39
Chucky Danger
But like, what if it's a higher frequency being? And so it's sitting like way up in the high frequencies, like gamma radiation or around there. Like if you could get an audio capture method for that bandwidth,
00:44:53
Chucky Danger
what are we going to find?
00:44:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that is pretty cool.
00:44:55
Chucky Danger
Or even lower, like microwave. If you could get a microwave sound frequency, like what's going to be in that bandwidth?
00:45:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and not just the ping of the microwave. That doesn't count.
00:45:10
Chucky Danger
Nope. Still going to be cold in the middle.
00:45:12
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
00:45:12
Chucky Danger
Okay.
00:45:14
Lee Hatfield
So anybody that that has an interest for cryptids, and in your case, yeah, mainly the Sasquatch, I have a question that I ask them and I'm always intrigued on what people actually provide as an answer.
00:45:32
Lee Hatfield
So if you could categorically prove the existence, yeah face-to-face contact with a Sasquatch, would you make it public or would you keep it to yourself?
00:45:49
Chucky Danger
I mean, that would be circumstantial, I think, but most likely go public with it. In the best way that you can do that without it being covered up. Oh, sure.
00:45:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. Well, they it was really weird because the answer that I got from this guy that I interviewed a few months ago was I would release the evidence but not provide the location.
00:46:14
Chucky Danger
oh sure
00:46:15
Lee Hatfield
Because obviously, yeah you know, as well as I do in this day and age, as soon as you gave the location, every man and his dog would be down there yeah trying to hunt it.
00:46:27
Lee Hatfield
And there'll be trucks and cap yeah film crews and everything.
00:46:31
Chucky Danger
sure
00:46:34
Chucky Danger
Like I said, most of the time when I'm out, I'm in my hunting spot. And i don't want other people in my hunting spot.
00:46:41
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, yeah.
00:46:44
Chucky Danger
Like, two years ago, i was out sighting in a gun rifle.
00:46:45
Lee Hatfield
Go on. Carry on, sorry.
00:46:50
Chucky Danger
I had ordered it online. It came in the mail late, so I was actually sighting in during hunting season. It was October. And at the time, I was working four 10-hour shifts, so I had Fridays off.
00:47:02
Chucky Danger
So I went out on a Friday and I was respectful. I let the morning hunters have a fair shot before I went out and started sighting in. So I went out about 11 o'clock and i set up my cardboard box and I'm plugging rounds into it, uh, into this hillside.
00:47:23
Chucky Danger
So I know where my bullets are going and they're not going straight. They're just going into the side of the hill. And as I'm shooting, I look up at the top of the hill and I've shot like 12 rounds or so.
00:47:36
Chucky Danger
And there's a big cedar tree that's just whipping back and forth, back and forth, like really violently. And it's not a windy day. It's like dead stone still out there.
00:47:50
Chucky Danger
and I'm like, well, what is that? Because like where this was, was in an old cut block. It's a bit grown over and there's no road where this was happening. I'm like, well, no sane animal is going to be coming in when I'm shooting a thirty aht six
00:48:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:48:08
Chucky Danger
And I've plugged that many rounds into my target. Like, what's happening here? And it gave me the heebie-jeebies.
00:48:20
Lee Hatfield
You get that a lot.
00:48:20
Chucky Danger
So even though i was holding even though I was holding that gun, I did not feel brave enough to climb that hill and go see what was shaking this tree.
00:48:20
Lee Hatfield
You get that a lot.
00:48:31
Chucky Danger
I'm like, no human can do that because this is like an 8 to 9 inch diameter tree.
00:48:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:48:37
Chucky Danger
And, you know, a moose isn't going to do that and a bear isn't going to do that. So, like, you only got like and one other option, really.
00:48:43
Lee Hatfield
What is? Yes, it's those little killer rabbits. they like you They're little buggers at times, you know.
00:48:53
Chucky Danger
yeah Yeah, especially near caves. Yeah.
00:48:56
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. yeah You got the reference. and
00:48:59
Chucky Danger
I definitely did.
00:49:02
Lee Hatfield
So.
00:49:03
Chucky Danger
So ah kind of left that alone, but I was really curious about the circumstance of that encounter. So I went back in the spring after kicking myself in the butt for not going out earlier.
00:49:16
Chucky Danger
And i just wanted to get some perspective photos of this tree. And so I went out and i took some photos of the tree at the bottom of the hill. I walked up to the trip the tree, took photos there. it turns out there was a bunch of other cedar trees at the base of it.
00:49:31
Chucky Danger
So even if I did climb that hill, I wouldn't have been able to see what was at the base of it because it's all brushed in with these smaller cedar trees. So I'm looking around at it. i You know, I see that it's that eight to nine inch in diameter trunk.
00:49:47
Chucky Danger
pretty solid like I tried shaking it and you get like a little wiggle at the top and not whipping back and forth and I'm just in hunter mode and I start looking at deer sign that's in the cut block and i find a moose bed that's in some rotten tree and I'm looking at the hair that's in it and like okay well we got you know animals using this block still and as I'm looking at what what is that and I looked down and in this rotten wood was about a 14 inch long foot track like you can barely see it because it's in this mulched wood but about 14 inches long and about four or five inches wide just right in this moose bed that was just north of where that tree was so
00:50:42
Chucky Danger
It's almost like I found the track from the fall before and had been heavily weathered since. So like it wasn't castable, but super interesting.
00:50:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And it's interesting that yeah People always try to debunk these footprints by saying, oh, yeah, it's it's one footstep over the top of another.
00:51:05
Lee Hatfield
But you would be able to tell the difference. So yeah you're not going to get it exactly exactly perfect.
00:51:10
Chucky Danger
Oh yeah.
00:51:12
Lee Hatfield
So you'd be able to see some deviation of the, even if you did cast it, to see that, oh, yeah, I can see that this is too two different footprints rather than one 14-inch by five footprint.
00:51:26
Chucky Danger
Yeah, yeah. And like I've seen a million bear prints. I know the difference of a double step and what I saw there.
00:51:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:51:35
Chucky Danger
Another really interesting thing that I found that I've never heard anyone talk about is browse levels. So when you're out in the the wilderness like that, you can see the different feed levels of like what deer are feeding on.
00:51:49
Chucky Danger
so I can go out and I can see the level where the white tail and the mule deer are feeding. And then above that, you can see where the moose have been feeding above them.
00:52:01
Chucky Danger
And then i noticed that there was another bare spot on these willow trees and it was higher than what the moose could reach. But it was a little bit different because like when the deer and moose browse, they chew off the ends of the branches and you can see that nibble mark on them.
00:52:16
Chucky Danger
This looks like something that grabbed the branch and just pulled all the leaves off. So it's just a bare branch with no leaves on it, above where a moose can reach.
00:52:28
Chucky Danger
So I think they're they're feeding on these willow trees just like the deer are, but they're doing it in a different manner.
00:52:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's crazy. Chucky, I do hate it when people make me speechless, so please stop doing that.
00:52:53
Lee Hatfield
But this has been absolutely fascinating. I know that we mentioned at the very beginning that you're going to be starting a new podcast. So if you if you'd like to tell people about that, if you've not launched it, when are going to be launching it and potential so subject matter, et cetera, et cetera.
00:53:04
Chucky Danger
Correct.
00:53:14
Chucky Danger
I have launched an introductory episode. It is called the danger zone with Chucky danger. you'll see my logo. It is a flashlight shining on a big foot footprint in the UV with a silhouette of my face.
00:53:31
Chucky Danger
I'm going to be talking about anything that really interests me. I want to hear people's most dangerous encounters. I want to hear paranormal encounters. I want to talk about animal attacks, history, mythology,
00:53:45
Chucky Danger
oh true crime, you know, anything that I just fancy at the time. I don't want to be put in a box.
00:53:54
Lee Hatfield
Okay, and what's on that on the on the horizon for Chucky? I just escaped death danger.
00:54:05
Chucky Danger
Well, ah soon as we're done here, i am going to be recording my second episode and my third episode, which is going to my personal recountings of my Sasquatch experience, my hauntings, UFO encounters, a couple wild things. So i'm going to break those down into a couple episodes.
00:54:27
Chucky Danger
And after that, I'm going to start interviewing and getting into some stories.
00:54:33
Lee Hatfield
So the fact that you've mentioned things that we've not we've not spoken about yet, it'd be great to flip the page and to talk about some of your other experiences on earth on another episode if you're more than happy to come back.
00:54:49
Chucky Danger
Sure, I'd love to.
00:54:51
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely fabulous. Again, Chucky, thank you for your time today. i hope your podcast is extremely successful. Sounds like it's going to be a blast. And I thank you for your time, sir, and have a great rest of the day.
00:55:05
Chucky Danger
Oh, thank you for having me.
00:55:06
Lee Hatfield
Take care. Bye-bye.