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S1 E37 Daniel Cahoon - Host of Magickal Journey Podcast
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Tonight i had the great pleasure of speaking to Daniel Cahoon, the host of the Magickal Journey Podcast.
Daniel experienced the paranormal from a very early age, and needed to know if his TV's channel hopping was due to ghosts and spirits, and footsteps in his room when he was asleep, ignited a lifelong fascination with the paranormal.
We also spoke about Demons, Malevolent spirits, Haunted dolls, and the Dybbuk box.
Another point of discussion was, how much evidence defines a haunting.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Hosts
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. I'm the host, my name's Lee, and tonight I'm more than delighted to have Daniel Cahoon with me. Daniel is the podcast host of Magical Journey.
00:00:27
Lee Hatfield
Daniel, welcome.
00:00:29
Daniel Ian Cohoon
A, thank you, and thank you for having me.
00:00:33
Lee Hatfield
It is my absolute pleasure. I know we've been... there been playing with certain dates over a while and we've been keeping in touch. So it's nily it's finally good to get you nailed down and sort of like get you in one position at one time.
00:00:45
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Yes.
00:00:47
Lee Hatfield
It's good for you.
00:00:49
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Right, right.
00:00:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:00:50
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I'm glad glad it did work out, yeah.
00:00:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So when I interview people, I always like to ask them what happened in their life to start their paranormal road.
00:01:05
Lee Hatfield
So if you want to kind of like go into how things started for you, and then we'll go from there.
00:01:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Well,
Daniel's First Paranormal Experience
00:01:15
Daniel Ian Cohoon
geez, I was about six six, seven years old. The first time I had a paranormal experience, I really wasn't sure what it was, but I did know that it was something unusual and something that probably should not have happened.
00:01:35
Daniel Ian Cohoon
it didn't quite fit with what I called normal at that point.
00:01:42
Daniel Ian Cohoon
About three years later, the one of the two parents who adopted me passed, this kind of set me on a a road of discovery because I was like i was very confused.
00:01:59
Daniel Ian Cohoon
We did not, there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about the afterlife or death or anything like that growing up. So it was all new territory for me.
00:02:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and during this time of just of kind of questioning, know, everything, there was a lot of things that started happening, a lot of paranormal activity that started churning. And I was like,
00:02:30
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You know, things like my analog television would start changing channels by itself. And I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on here?
00:02:40
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You know, we didn't have remotes back then. The television, he had to turn the knob to to get to do its thing. and here it was flipping back and forth through the four stations we had.
00:02:54
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And I was like, that's... that's not okay. And from there, it just kind of escalated. So that's really how I got started.
Decision to Investigate Paranormal Phenomena
00:03:10
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you know, it led me down the ah path of exploring different avenues, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, all the isms, and some of the aints, you know, and and in the process,
00:03:29
Daniel Ian Cohoon
kind of coming to a point where I agreed somewhere along the line to continue exploring and yeah, that led to the the whole experience of investigation and an exploration of of deep diving paranormal.
00:03:55
Lee Hatfield
yeah And the fact that you mentioned, like, analog TVs, so so I can so relate. Yeah, I think I was the remote control in my house when I was a kid. it so Go and turn the channel over to Channel 3.
00:04:09
Lee Hatfield
But at what point did you realize, know, you said that you go through all these different religions.
00:04:16
Daniel Ian Cohoon
who
00:04:16
Lee Hatfield
At what point did you realize that you wanted... to really dig deep into the paranormal world and and become an investigator and to try and find out what what is happening with all these different incidents that are happening.
00:04:32
Daniel Ian Cohoon
The moment that I really, like if I can pinpoint the moment was right after my stepmother had like came to me and said, you know, I, these things keep going on and I keep checking on you.
00:04:54
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You know, I hear people talking in your room or walking across the floor and i go in to check to see if you're, if everything's okay. You're sound asleep. The the room's dark.
00:05:06
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Nothing's going on. And i was like, okay, so these things are manifesting and other people are experiencing them. It's not just about me.
00:05:19
Daniel Ian Cohoon
It's about everybody around me experiencing something. And that's kind of where I started going, okay I guess I need to find out you know what the cause and core of this thing is.
00:05:37
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and it kind of led me from there to to starting to explore other places, other people's experiences and really start to investigate, you know, other phenomena going on that was affecting more people.
00:05:59
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And that's where where
Beliefs About Ghosts and Spirits
00:06:01
Daniel Ian Cohoon
i I guess I really kind of exploded onto the scene and started working with regressionists and all kinds of things to kind of explore the different possibilities out there.
00:06:19
Lee Hatfield
it's It's interesting you say that because yeah if you speak to all these experts, so to speak, yeah they will say that ghosts and spirits are still on this plane because they've got unfinished business or they've got a message that wants to be to put out.
00:06:43
Lee Hatfield
What's your kind
Misconceptions in Paranormal World
00:06:44
Lee Hatfield
of opinion about those kind of comments?
00:06:50
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You know, i kind of feel like, first of all, there's this broad understanding of people using terms like ghosts and spirits. ireen And talking about how you know there are people that are earthbound.
00:07:15
Daniel Ian Cohoon
earthbound for whatever reason, either because of trauma or maybe they're their desire to continue relationship with the those that are living that they knew, or even to protect and you know and watch out for those who are still living.
00:07:42
Daniel Ian Cohoon
There's a lot of ah lot of different reasons why people, my spirits become earthbound. Uh, when it comes to other people's ideas and opinions about the paranormal, don't know. I, I just kind of like, I let people believe and think the way they want to, and hopefully they will research investigate to come up with the answers,
00:08:12
Daniel Ian Cohoon
to what it is that they're dealing with. you know Because I think the biggest problem we have in the paranormal world is and some people want to label everything as a demon.
00:08:28
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you know and you know it's like, oh, this is all demonic. you know and and And when you get into communication communication with people who are no longer in this level of life, you know, they start slinging words like necromancy and all these kinds of things.
00:08:51
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And i I'm kind of like, okay, well, you know, that's great. That's where you're at. But not all of us feel that way. And it's okay.
Perceptions of Malevolent Entities
00:09:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Because one thing that I find interesting and I tell so many people is, know, you've just mentioned about yeah people thinking that everything is a demon and people that get scratched automatically think it's a malevolent entity.
00:09:18
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:09:23
Lee Hatfield
And I always kind of flip that particular coin and say, well, If I want to get your attention and you've got your back to me, I'm going to call your name. like Daniel.
00:09:35
Lee Hatfield
And if you don't hear me, because one of us may be dead and the other one's living, I'm going to shout louder. And if you still don't hear me, the next natural thing is for me to put my hand out and to tap you on the shoulder, tap you on the arm.
00:09:51
Lee Hatfield
So the way that I kind of flip that coin is it may not be a benevolent action. It might be an action of a ah ah spirit or whatever they are trying to get your attention just by touching you.
00:10:07
Lee Hatfield
It doesn't necessarily mean it's there to hurt you. And when I tell people that, they go, huh, I never thought about that.
00:10:18
Lee Hatfield
And it's a very good point. And like you say, every man and his dog likes to, if something happens, something falls off a shelf or something gets launched through the air, it's a demon.
00:10:21
Daniel Ian Cohoon
right.
00:10:31
Lee Hatfield
No, it is not. so Not everything on this planet is bad and not everything on this planet is a demon.
00:10:38
Lee Hatfield
But the amount of people that think that it is. But, yeah. Have you ever experienced anything that's truly malevolent
00:10:52
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I can say definitely there there's a couple of times when i've I've run across things that did not have my best interest in mind. They were not friendly friendly energies. And
Annabelle Doll and Misconceptions
00:11:06
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you know then i kind of I don't really want to point the demon finger at people, but then I just kind of go, okay,
00:11:20
Daniel Ian Cohoon
we got an attitude issue here, we need to work on this, you know, and and go from there. Because here's the thing. So in case in point, let's talk about one case that people are very familiar with, the Annabelle doll.
00:11:41
Daniel Ian Cohoon
like when the the real first negative experience that happened with this particular doll was the result of somebody it was not really knowledgeable you but upsetting the doll, if you will.
00:12:03
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And the process, know, the, the, the, experience led to a childish outburst. you know there was yeah The doll was thrown, the doll was made fun of in a sense, and the doll and a tantrum. you know And in the process, you know there was a scratching and there was you know some pretty heavy interaction in that moment.
00:12:36
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and
00:12:37
Daniel Ian Cohoon
when you get into talking about, know, these energies reacting like that, having what I call a tantrum, having that childish moment, you know, we need to be aware of the cause, you know, there's cause and effect going on there.
00:12:54
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:12:59
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Are they doing it because you know just threw it across the room and and said, I'm not scared of you and taunted it? are you it Is it something that has something deeper in it than just a negative reaction happening?
00:13:19
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I think that's where a lot of people kind of, they they start going, okay, well, you
00:13:27
Daniel Ian Cohoon
we This happened and the doll reacted this way. It must be a demon. Yes.
00:13:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah it's interesting that you mention about annabelle because yeah
Power of Belief in Objects
00:13:40
Lee Hatfield
we both know that she's been in the news recently
00:13:43
Daniel Ian Cohoon
yes
00:13:44
Lee Hatfield
And every person or a lot of people were saying that that incident happened because of the doll. Now, I actually made a comment on one particular post and by saying, okay, so if you think that the doll, yeah, this happened because of the doll, are you telling me that if there was a car crash outside the building where the doll was, are you going to blame the doll or you going to blame bad driving?
00:14:11
Lee Hatfield
And then ah ah all I got there was crickets. Like I didn't even get a response because it's like, yeah, I'm being logical about this. You cannot blame... a doll for every misadventure that happens in or around the location that the doll's out. It's just, yeah it's as simple as that.
00:14:32
Lee Hatfield
But we also can't control other people's imagination, emotions, and feelings without, And yeah we both know that they're just going to go on that particular road that they want to go on.
00:14:48
Lee Hatfield
And no matter what every anybody else says is going to change that.
00:14:53
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Right. Well, I think a lot of people, you know let's Let's talk about the generalization factor here. Like, Robert the Doll is another example of a haunted object that people really don't understand the dynamics of at all, okay?
00:15:18
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So, Annabelle is more like a An egregore, if you will. i This is an object that because energy has been fed into the doll and fed into the doll, the doll starts manifesting presence.
00:15:38
Daniel Ian Cohoon
It literally starts, the energy starts building and in the doll and it becomes by proxy a being.
00:15:50
Daniel Ian Cohoon
On the other hand, you have objects like Robert the Doll, who it's believed that Robert actually is a portal or has a portal inside of them.
00:16:02
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So that these beings come through the portal and they they act and react through Robert the Doll.
00:16:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So you know you're talking about two different types of of things here, are two different types of beings, if you will. One, ah ah created manifestation from people feeding this this object energy.
00:16:33
Daniel Ian Cohoon
The other one, you know a portal,
00:16:37
Daniel Ian Cohoon
inside this this object that allows beings to come in and come through and reside within. Robert has several different beings attached and operating through the doll at any given time.
00:16:54
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So again, it's really about, it's about perception, understanding, you know, when it gets
Caution in Haunted Locations
00:17:03
Daniel Ian Cohoon
to, to things like Annabelle, now you've got, instead of like a small group of people feeding Annabelle, you've got huge audiences feeding Annabelle.
00:17:16
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So, you know, when this happens, you people do start attributing almost godlike energy to to these to these creatures, to these manifestations.
00:17:34
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So with Annabelle, You've got people believing that she's burning down plantations, tornadoes, or she's spawning tornadoes.
00:17:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and She's causing people to you know to pass away because of whatever whatever situation.
00:17:56
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Contributing godlike energy to this thing so in the the result of that is is that there are manifestations big manifestations that may happen around Annabelle but are not necessarily wouldn't attribute it to being
00:18:20
Daniel Ian Cohoon
necessarily ah about Annabelle as much as about the the mass consciousness around Annabelle.
00:18:31
Lee Hatfield
yeah and I think you can you can say exactly the same about something like they they yeah the Die Book box. yeah That's got the same kind of stories attached to it and phenomena attached to it and people yeah don't want to touch it, don't want to go near it.
00:18:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Yeah.
00:18:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah And it's it's weird how you can have a dull one minute and then you've got a box the next. Yeah.
00:19:02
Daniel Ian Cohoon
All
00:19:03
Lee Hatfield
And it's weird how people just, whether it's true or not, they will just come out and say, well, I think this, but they've got no substantial evidence to back back these ideas and these stories up.
00:19:07
Daniel Ian Cohoon
right.
00:19:23
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, and like yeah the Dybulk box is on display at a museum. And the map, oh, yeah, i I felt really bad after seeing it or having touched it.
00:19:35
Lee Hatfield
But is that personal perception or is that something to actually to do with the object itself?
00:19:43
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Right, right. A lot of times I think we, you know, if you, first of all, let me say this, going to a haunted object museum, it can be interesting, it can be fun. I'm sure there are things there that you will not see anywhere else.
00:20:08
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Personally, my first thought on that is err on the side of caution when you go to those things and realize that, you know, you may be coming in contact with things that you're not prepared to come in contact with. Yeah.
00:20:29
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you may wind up in a situation that you are not prepared for if you are not educated before you go into those places. so erring on the side of caution is always a really good idea. Anytime we want to do a fun activity with a paranormal, it's the same thing with going to schools.
00:20:56
Daniel Ian Cohoon
public the public investigations and so forth. you know Again, one of those things is a fun activity to do yeah, but you don't wanna do it without having some education behind you how to protect yourself,
00:21:20
Daniel Ian Cohoon
what the the what was the history of that building, what is in the history of, you know, what's the lore of the spirits that are supposedly there? You know, what,
00:21:39
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Are you potentially going to have a track to you in the process? Because hitchhikers
Challenges in Paranormal Investigations
00:21:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
are a thing. And I think a lot of people just assume, hey, I'm going to this fun activity, you know, and I'm going to get my K2 and my dowsing rods and, you know, and, whatever other equipment and we're going to go find us a ghost, you know, and yeah it's great.
00:22:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Record some data, get some, get some, you know, some evidence. you by all means have fun with it but be aware that's the big thing is be aware of what you're dealing with and understand that yeah it can be fun but there's real coincidences to things okay you can't just like walk into ah ah building that you know
00:22:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
that has you know a history, a gruesome history at times and say, oh, well, nothing's gonna happen because you know that's what this is about. This is what's supposed to be, yeah it's it's for entertainment purposes only, right?
00:23:04
Daniel Ian Cohoon
That's what we were told. And then you know you find out later, oh yeah, there's there was a coincidence to that.
00:23:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's it's interesting that you you say that because... I always tell people that there's kind of two two different groups of people.
00:23:27
Lee Hatfield
There's the group that will go out purely to be scared and to have a fun time and not kind of understand the consequences.
00:23:32
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:23:37
Lee Hatfield
And then then you've got the other group, the group that will want to do some genuine research and investigation. And they've yeah they've paid for the equipment that they use. yeah They've got the cameras. They've got the tri-fields.
00:23:50
Lee Hatfield
and they want to actually prove the existence rather than, okay, yeah let's go out tonight for shits and giggles and just go out to be scared. Whereas, yes, nowadays there's a lot of money involved with that, but does it really do any benefit towards that this particular like occupation, so to speak?
00:24:14
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Right, right. That's the thing that you have to, really, i mean,
00:24:21
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and as an investigator, as somebody who actually goes in looking for, you know, data, looking for physical evidence, looking for, you know information that will give me something to sink my teeth into.
00:24:43
Daniel Ian Cohoon
know, I have to, first of all, I have to be ready to be disappointed. yeah Not every place is going like it.
00:24:57
Daniel Ian Cohoon
The last couple of places I went to, honestly, like I got, a little bit of activity with a cat ball or two, maybe a little bit of, of K2 meter activity.
00:25:12
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And, you know, the biggest amount of activity that I got, at the one place in particular, which was a haunted prison of all things, was my lightning detector,
00:25:29
Daniel Ian Cohoon
recorded several disturbances you know and several strikes. And so, you know yeah, i got got some data.
00:25:41
Daniel Ian Cohoon
It wasn't very conclusive data, but I got some data. and you know And some stuff happened. So here was there you know some really great footage?
00:25:56
Daniel Ian Cohoon
No. Was there like some amazing, know, image that popped up on, no, you know, so i had to, I have to look at these, these things and I have to decide, okay, so with the data that I have
00:26:15
Daniel Ian Cohoon
or don't have, know, what can I conclude from this? And, you know,
00:26:23
Daniel Ian Cohoon
One of the things people are always asking me, do you do you feel like this place is haunted? Do you feel like that place is haunted? And a lot of times what I have to tell them is according to the data that I have and according to what I recorded there,
00:26:45
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I can't conclusively say one way or the other that I feel that there is something there.
00:26:54
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you know, and and then I get people going, well, that's kind of a cop out. No, it's not. but And here's why. Because the evidence, the the the information gathered was not enough to justify
00:27:14
Daniel Ian Cohoon
calling it anything other than what it was, inconclusive. you know Had you know and i had maybe some really great imagery, was there scratching and knocking and howling going on?
00:27:33
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Was there ah ah equipment being interacted with you know in a fairly aggressive manner or whatever? then i could probably say, hey, there's there's some interesting energy there.
00:27:49
Daniel Ian Cohoon
But without that, you have to, again, err on the side of caution and say, you know what, I can't conclusively say one way or the other.
00:28:03
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And I think that's where a lot of people you They go out and they want this evidence and they want to to get concrete proof everywhere they go.
00:28:15
Daniel Ian Cohoon
It's not always going to be that way. As a matter of fact, you may have one out of every 10 places, you come up with enough of of evidence, enough of data that you can come to a conclusion on.
00:28:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And it it's interesting that you say that because out of all the evidence that we've obtained, we always try to debunk it as much as we can.
00:28:40
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Yeah.
00:28:45
Lee Hatfield
If we can't debunk it but through natural phenomena, we don't say, OK, this place is categorically haunted. We just go, this evidence is going to go on the unexplained pile.
00:29:00
Lee Hatfield
And unfortunately, that
First Official Investigation and UFO Sighting
00:29:01
Lee Hatfield
unexplained pile just gets bigger and bigger and bigger because it's stuff that you can't explain. If something happens and somebody's keyed a walkie-talkie, you know that probably that that interference is going to cause one of your devices to go off.
00:29:17
Lee Hatfield
But if you're in the middle of a field, for example, and you've got a device that's going off, yeah you're not going to there's not going to be any power cables. There's not going to be any...
00:29:27
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Thank you.
00:29:29
Lee Hatfield
yeah anything that you can categorically debunk.
00:29:34
Daniel Ian Cohoon
right
00:29:34
Lee Hatfield
So it has to be unexplained. And people don't realize that. And like you say, yeah all this data and all this evidence, nobody is going to say 100% hand on heart, yep, this place is haunted.
00:29:55
Lee Hatfield
yeah Because you you can't do that because you've got to you've got to take everything and into account. you can't You can't just go, oh, the cat ball went off once. Yep, that proves it's haunted.
00:30:07
Lee Hatfield
No, it it doesn't. We was at an investigation in the US in June, and I had an incident that I've told a few people. We'd finished the investigation, and I'm in a four-poster bed by myself.
00:30:20
Lee Hatfield
and turn the light out. And because I'd been moving about, I felt the blankets actually settle. Didn't think anything of it. It's the blankets. But then about couple of minutes later, I felt a really heavy sensation on the bed, enough for me to open my eyes because I thought, oh, one of the other guys has come into the bedroom, didn't hear the door.
00:30:29
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Thank you.
00:30:41
Lee Hatfield
But then when opened my eyes, I saw this white whatever it was to go past. But I'd only been in bed no more than three minutes. So yeah there's no way that I was asleep. I wasn't really that tired.
00:30:53
Lee Hatfield
We hadn't been drinking. But can I prove that? I experienced it personally. But I can't say, yeah, I'm going to tick that box to say this place is definitely haunted because it's it's a personal experience for everybody.
00:31:05
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Right. Right.
00:31:09
Lee Hatfield
And that's what the paranormal basically is. It's not very often that you get multiple people experiencing the same thing at the same time it tends to be individuals getting most of the experiences and nine times out of ten the cameras are not running and yeah invest investigators nightmare damn it i didn't turn the cameras on so yeah so can you actually remember your first official investigation
00:31:28
Daniel Ian Cohoon
right
00:31:34
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:31:41
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Wow. You know, honestly, i don't, I mean, when you say first official investigation, like the very first investigation that I did of anything paranormal was actually a somebody who who we loosely called a contactee who had reported a ufo encounter.
00:32:17
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And i do remember, like, the you know the interview itself asking the questions I had to ask you know gathering the information to kind of know get some contacts to some context to the um the sighting itself and you know and do what we do which is basically you know putting together a picture of what happened
00:32:50
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and in a case like that. But you again, i mean, when you talk about things like that, there's very little, if any, physical evidence a lot of times.
00:33:09
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I mean, you can get some readings, you know, if there was, you know, some sort of like Low contact or whatever, say you have have something actually land or whatever.
00:33:25
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You may be able to get some readings or maybe some burn marks, there may be you some indication that something landed in a particular spot, but other than that you're really not going to get much shit other than.
00:33:42
Daniel Ian Cohoon
again, somebody's perspective of what happened, basically. So that was really the first investigation that I did. Like
Inspiration for Podcasting
00:33:54
Daniel Ian Cohoon
said, it was kind of, for me, it was more about collecting prospective data than anything else, unfortunately.
00:34:07
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Again, there was there was no physical evidence really, you know, no treetops missing, no, no, nothing like that.
00:34:18
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:34:19
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So it was it was definitely what some people would probably consider a very anti-common, yeah, yeah, that.
00:34:20
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:34:31
Lee Hatfield
anticli Anticlimatic, yeah that that that word.
00:34:33
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Yes, experience, yes.
00:34:34
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. yeah And it's it's interesting you mentioned UFOs because again,
00:34:39
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:34:40
Lee Hatfield
Nine times out of ten, these experiences that people, oh yeah these these things that people see are singular people. But you watch some of the TV shows and people go, oh, my God.
00:34:54
Lee Hatfield
that's a UFO. And I'm going, no, it's Chinese lanterns or it's yeah drones or yeah something that can quite easily be explained. yeah And a perfect example is the SpaceX Starlink train.
00:35:09
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:35:12
Lee Hatfield
yeah You've got a row of lights going through the sky. but And if you're not familiar with Elon Musk and Starlink and you see this row of lights going through the sky,
00:35:23
Lee Hatfield
yeah You're going to go, what the hell? And you probably are going to think that it is alien in origin, whereas in fact, depending where you are in the world, yeah it's there's been a a ah SpaceX launch the previous night or something like that.
00:35:39
Lee Hatfield
And I think people, I don't want to use the word gullible, but people are far too easy to jump on there the UFO or the ghost or the cryptid bandwagon far too easily without doing their due diligence towards, well, what could it actually be really?
00:36:01
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Exactly. Exactly.
00:36:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:36:03
Daniel Ian Cohoon
that
00:36:03
Lee Hatfield
So at what point did you decide that you were going to tell the world about all this and yeah and you created the magical journey?
00:36:16
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I was flipping through YouTube one day and just like going through interviews and watching some things. And I came across an interview, another podcaster being interviewed about their experiences.
00:36:36
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And it just kind of it like struck me, wow, this could be an interesting direction to go in. And so, you know, I sat there, watched the interview. it went well.
00:36:52
Daniel Ian Cohoon
It was a fun interview. And, you know, I reached out to the host and, you know, sent them an email. And we we went back and forth a couple of times with emails ah to to each other. And finally just, I said, you know what, I'm just going to do this. I'm just going to, I'm going to go all out and we're going to do this.
00:37:19
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So I invited this guy on to to the very first episode i i did and you know and said, hey, look, I really want to do this.
00:37:30
Daniel Ian Cohoon
i want to i want you on in the first episode because, quite frankly, you're the one that's inspiring me to do this. So what better time than now? And that's really how I all got started.
00:37:44
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I cringe every time I see that first episode because the opening, call i just go, wow. is you know And this this week is will have been a year Magical Journey podcast has been around. And you know tonight I'm kind of revisiting the entire year and I'm just like,
00:38:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I looked back on that first episode the other day again and I went, oh God, that was horrible. yeah But
00:38:25
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, exactly.
00:38:26
Daniel Ian Cohoon
yeah.
00:38:28
Lee Hatfield
it's, yeah. And that's a great milestone because quite a few of them fall by the wayside well before that.
00:38:33
Daniel Ian Cohoon
oh yeah
00:38:34
Lee Hatfield
Cause I know i released episode 33 tonight at like 5 PM local time. And it's really weird how, and I've told this story before when I first started, I thought to myself, right.
00:38:54
Lee Hatfield
I'm not just going to stick to one subject. I'm not just going to stick to ghosts or haunted locations. I'm going to do reach out to as many people as possible. So I Googled the word paranormal and there were so many different subsections and I thought, okay, I'm going to talk to as many different people as I can.
00:39:13
Lee Hatfield
So my initial theory
Breadth of Paranormal Topics
00:39:14
Lee Hatfield
was, OK, I'm going to, friend of mine who's got his own podcast, he went, create three. yeah Three to four to start off with, so people don't have to wait for the second or third episode.
00:39:26
Lee Hatfield
So I got four, and I was extremely nervous to start off with, so I had a couple of friends jump on as kind of like co-hosts, and then we were just bouncing conversation,
00:39:39
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:39:40
Lee Hatfield
And then I had my first guest and then I kind of moved forward and it very quickly became apparent because I was just reaching out to every man and his dog. but I've got new podcast, yada, yada, yada.
00:39:52
Lee Hatfield
And I got so many people saying yes. I was so overwhelmed. And then I thought, OK, I can't do it every two weeks. I have to do it every week because I was getting so much people, so many people.
00:40:07
Lee Hatfield
And in all these 33 episodes, I've spoken to people near death experiences. yeah I believe that you know AJ. Yeah, and I'm speaking to people yeah who just dropped into a normal conversation that he'd been abducted by an alien, but we're talking about UFOs. I've got to invite him in back for a second one to talk about his alien abduction.
00:40:32
Lee Hatfield
I've spoken to mediums and to people related to the to fairies and stuff like that, and it's it's fascinating how many different subjects that they that paranormal bubble, so to speak, encompasses.
00:40:49
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Absolutely.
00:40:50
Lee Hatfield
So if you had to pick one particular subject within the paranormal that you said was your favourite, which one would you pick and why?
00:41:02
Daniel Ian Cohoon
oh boy you know that's really hard because there's so many honestly i guess for me right now cryptids would be the thing that really gets me excited the most
00:41:23
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And the reasoning is is really simple, actually. The area that I live in is very, there's a lot of lore around cryptids. And you know there's this this kind of mystique. and you And unfortunately, because of the culture of the area,
00:41:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
you cryptids have been lumped into that demonized category. you know So for me, is is definitely the cryptids.
00:41:59
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And it would definitely be, as far as the reason, trying to figure out exactly what they are. and what their purpose is because I don't necessarily believe that they fall into the Genesis four six category.
00:42:17
Daniel Ian Cohoon
am So that, yeah, that's definitely, that's where I'm kind of camping at lately.
00:42:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I know when I first started, naively, i yeah when you speak about the paranormal, you just automatically go to ghosts and spirits.
00:42:37
Lee Hatfield
You just automatically go to it. And a lot of people don't realize, like you said, yeah you've got the cryptids. You've then got UFOs. You've then got like yeah near-death experiences.
00:42:51
Lee Hatfield
And then all these other subjects can get broken down yeah into different sorts of cryptids or different sorts of apparitions, different sorts of UFOs, because UFOs now are not just UFOs.
00:42:51
Daniel Ian Cohoon
All right.
00:43:06
Lee Hatfield
You've got USOs and aerial anomalies and all all that.
00:43:08
Daniel Ian Cohoon
right
00:43:11
Lee Hatfield
So it's all getting broken down even more, which opens up a bigger and bigger and bigger can of worms. with regard to every sort of subject that you talk about. So over these 100 episodes that you've done, going to really put you on the spot now. Can you
Memorable Podcast Episodes
00:43:31
Lee Hatfield
actually pick one that gave you the wow factor, one particular episode?
00:43:39
Daniel Ian Cohoon
You know, actually, i can tell you, on a second.
00:43:46
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Let me dig it out right quick. Because there is one that, first of all, the way i the way I ran across it was quite by accident on TikTok.
00:44:05
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Ashley Ink. did an episode or a TikTok related to this this time glitch episode that happened in South Georgia.
00:44:20
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And i immediately got in touch with the the lady who experiences.
00:44:31
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And I said, look, I don't know what you just experienced, but I want to talk to you about it on my show. And episode 72 definitely was for me, the strange case of time slip in Valdosta, Georgia was definitely the episode that
00:44:57
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I'm still to this day going, i don't know what that was. it It makes no sense. The fact that there was outstanding evidence behind this case and that there was a living,
00:45:21
Daniel Ian Cohoon
breathing human being on the other side of the story who had come forward and acknowledged that this did happen in his family's life as well.
00:45:34
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Those things all together came about in a way that that made episode 72 the episode that just wrecked me for ah for life.
00:45:49
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Like the time glitch thing, i don't get i don't get it
00:45:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:45:54
Lee Hatfield
And I am so glad that you mentioned about time slips because I didn't know that they existed. And I read an article in a magazine and I'm like, oh, I need to find out more about this. So now you've told me about it. Guess what I'm doing while you're doing your episode? I'm going to go and watch episode 72.
00:46:13
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Wow.
00:46:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and and it's like, it's things like that that keep us involved in what we do.
00:46:14
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Yeah, you gotta see it.
00:46:23
Lee Hatfield
Because you'd be doing, know, a cryptid story, a cryptid story, a ghost story, a ghost story, UFO, and then someone comes, boom, and comes out with a time slip, yeah, like, story.
Future Plans and Fieldwork
00:46:35
Lee Hatfield
And you just go, what? What the hell?
00:46:38
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Mm-hmm.
00:46:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And you've not even got any explanation. And sometimes when I talk to people and they will come out to come out with something that's happened to them or they've seen, and I just like, i I don't know what to say next.
00:46:55
Lee Hatfield
And it's those kind of stories that make all these podcasts work.
00:47:00
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Absolutely.
00:47:00
Lee Hatfield
and And that's why we enjoy doing what we do. That's why I'm talking to you now. And that's why you're celebrating your 100th episode tonight, but when this goes out, it will probably be 100 and something.
00:47:16
Lee Hatfield
So I know that the you are quite busy tonight, so I'm just going to round up. So what's next for Daniel and the magical journey?
00:47:31
Daniel Ian Cohoon
So Magical Journey podcast. I got to tell you my goal for this next year to, first of all, I want to do more field work i and really get out there and and throw some investigation into the mix.
00:47:53
Daniel Ian Cohoon
There's some areas here am i where I live at Land Between the Lakes, East Tennessee, a lot of things that I really want to deep dive into.
00:48:07
Daniel Ian Cohoon
For me personally, i really would like to see you know a little bit more of work on my part with writing a book.
00:48:23
Daniel Ian Cohoon
That would be amazing. I really want to do that.
00:48:25
Lee Hatfield
That would be cool. Yeah.
00:48:26
Daniel Ian Cohoon
and, you know, in deep dive into can my previous work in a way that may brings it up front into the show, because there's a lot of there's a lot of cases that I've investigated over the years or researched over the years that I feel like still needs to be brought forward.
00:48:52
Daniel Ian Cohoon
And those are the things coming up to watch for with Magical Journey.
00:48:59
Lee Hatfield
And that sounds really cool. And how cool would it be if your first book was about time slips? Just saying, just putting that out there, just putting it out there. let Let me know when it gets published. I'll be the first one to buy it.
00:49:15
Lee Hatfield
Daniel, I'd like to congratulate you on your 100th episode, which is, is it going out live tonight or is it?
00:49:23
Daniel Ian Cohoon
I will be live tonight, definitely.
00:49:26
Lee Hatfield
Okay, I think we might have to i might have to put the time slip one on hold a little bit and watch your 100th episode. But, sir, thank you for your time. It's been an absolute pleasure. And I would really like to carry on this conversation and get you back in season two that's already being planned, and then we can continue this conversation. But
Conclusion and Future Discussion
00:49:47
Lee Hatfield
for now, thank you for your time and have a great episode and a great rest of the evening.
00:49:52
Daniel Ian Cohoon
Thank you for having me.
00:49:52
Lee Hatfield
Thank you. You're most welcome.