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S1 E43 - Sadhu Dah - world-traveling, digital nomad, and exorcist
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In this week’s episode, I had the pleasure of speaking to Sadhu Dah, who is a world-traveling digital nomad, and exorcist
In this jaw dropping episode we started of by talking about creepy looking spirits in the bedroom, levitating beds and Clairvoyancy.
Things take an eerie turn when we discussed a girlfriend crab walking up a wall after wearing a possessed talisman, and sizzling crosses placed on her skin.
We then created Sadhu Dah’s new name, the Occult Batman.
Our next discussion was in depth about different levels of, and the most common causes of possession.
Our final topics covered Mental Health issues, dealing with unforgettable exorcisms and Spiritual connection
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight I am delighted to be speaking to Sadhu Dhar, who is a world-travelling digital nomad and exorcist.
00:00:29
Lee Hatfield
Sadhu Dhar or Dhar, welcome and thank you for your time.
00:00:32
Sadhu Dah
thanks for having me.
00:00:35
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so we've just been talking offline that you're currently in Brazil.
Early Paranormal Experiences
00:00:42
Lee Hatfield
Oh, and when I've been traveling. So before we get into your traveling experiences, can we go back in time to how you decided to channel your life into what you do now, please?
00:00:58
Sadhu Dah
that's the That's the golden question everybody always wants to ask. you and and And I get so bored of it, but then I also have to remind myself it's an integral part of the story, right?
00:01:09
Sadhu Dah
the you know every Every hero has their origin, right? So for me, you know it it was a combination of
00:01:14
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:01:18
Sadhu Dah
two different things, meeting my first mentor and my childhood in itself. I'm what most people would refer to as clairvoyant.
00:01:29
Sadhu Dah
So when I was little, I would see things, not so fun things. I often would describe an old man who would come and sit in my room and watch me sleep.
00:01:41
Sadhu Dah
And he was a very creepy-looking old man. His face was kind of a bit distorted in features that... weren't quite that of a regular face, but just enough so that it still looked like an old man.
00:01:56
Sadhu Dah
i had a lot of paranormal phenomena that I experienced when I was a child, to the point where, you know, my my mother, who's a very religious person, i would call out to her and she would give me the whole trope of monsters don't exist.
Pivotal Paranormal Moments
00:02:11
Sadhu Dah
And one night when I called out, my bed was levitating and I was in the bed. And I was obviously all sorts of panicked. I count this with what I know in psychology as just kind of shock and cognitive dissonance.
00:02:29
Sadhu Dah
My mother saw the bed levitating, kind of had this frozen look on her face, and just shut the door behind her and walked away. She couldn't cope with it.
00:02:40
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:02:40
Sadhu Dah
I was then committed to a mental hospital for a couple of weeks. They believed I was showing signs of schizophrenia. Only with medication, the things I was seeing still didn't go away.
00:02:54
Sadhu Dah
And they could sometimes tell me things about people that people would normally keep as secrets or did in private. I learned at a young age to keep this to myself, to ignore it.
00:03:12
Sadhu Dah
And so this led to me years later joining a paranormal investigation team. And I was living in Washington at the time. And I We went on this investigative case to the northern barn grounds of Cedro Woolley.
00:03:30
Sadhu Dah
It's a northern state mental asylum. It's been covered in different, like, Ghostbuster shows and stuff. It's a prolifically haunted place. Well, in the rafters of one of the burned down buildings in the farm grounds, I found this like talisman that had been braided with hemp and had a chicken bone and some feather and and different gems on it. And it looked really cool.
00:03:56
Sadhu Dah
Against the advice of the people with me, I took it.
Choosing the Path of Learning
00:03:59
Sadhu Dah
What proceeded to happen afterwards was a series of paranormal events I could have you know, never in my wildest imagination thought was possible.
00:04:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Let's move. Very much.
00:04:11
Sadhu Dah
I went back to the hotel room I was staying at and I had one of the the girls that was on the paranormal team with us kind of came back with me.
00:04:12
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:04:21
Sadhu Dah
We had a little fling of sorts. And so we were back at my place just kind of doing our thing and she wanted to try on the necklace. When she tried it on, she immediately went into convulsions, going into a seizure on the ground.
00:04:35
Sadhu Dah
I took it off of her and her eyes glossed over completely black. She then proceeded use as a a tiny girl, you know, like a hundred pounds soaking wet.
00:04:46
Sadhu Dah
She proceeded to let out these guttural like growls and roars that someone of her stature or even a human itself could not make.
00:04:47
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:04:57
Sadhu Dah
And I realized this was the point where I wanted to wake up from whatever nightmare I was having. And the most terrifying part about it was there was no waking up because this was real life.
00:05:08
Sadhu Dah
And so...
Mentorship and Expertise
00:05:10
Sadhu Dah
i Don't really remember if it was she went to the better. I got her to the bed but I I had no idea what I was doing and she was coming in and out of stuff and I had like gotten the guy who was like our lead paranormal, and our team leader.
00:05:26
Sadhu Dah
I called him and yeah told him to come over. He knew a little bit of like basic things of like, you know, reading Psalms and stuff like that. So he's just kind of taking the lead and she's coming in and out.
00:05:42
Sadhu Dah
And at one point she she says in my phone, sensei, sensei, call him. And then she kind of goes back to crazy stuff.
00:05:54
Sadhu Dah
So I like, it's like three in the morning and I pull out this number and dial it that just is listed as sensei. And a very aggravated man answers the phone that I have obviously woken up.
00:06:09
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:06:09
Sadhu Dah
And he's like, What do you want? And i was like, you don't know me and I don't know who you are. I don't even know if you can help, but, uh, there's this girl then, and like, there's really weird things happening, man. Like there's like, I don't even know if you're going to believe me.
00:06:25
Sadhu Dah
And you could hear the shift in his tone and you could hear that he was getting up and he said, tell me everything that's happening right now. So I began to explain some of the phenomena to the best of my understanding.
00:06:38
Sadhu Dah
And he gave me a choice. He said, i can do one of two things. I can come there right now and this will all be like a bad dream that you'll question if it ever happened.
00:06:51
Sadhu Dah
Everything will be taken care of. Or if under my guidance,
00:06:55
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:06:59
Sadhu Dah
You want to try doing a couple of things until it gets too much, and then I take over. If you can handle that, I'll answer every question you've ever had about the paranormal.
Personal Struggles and Commitment
00:07:11
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:07:12
Sadhu Dah
Me here today talking to you, you can assume what choice I made. I decided to take the second offer. to which he then hung up the phone after saying research sigils. And then he just hung up the phone.
00:07:28
Sadhu Dah
And I was like, okay, super helpful. What I didn't realize was this was a man who had such an adept control over what the Chinese would call chi, what some cultures would describe like the Hawaiians as mana or, you know, prana in Indian culture. is Whatever term you want to describe it to, life force, energy itself, this man was by all rights a master of it and I didn't know this at the time.
00:07:58
Sadhu Dah
So he had already kind of projected in his self. If you want to use the word like bilocated astral projection, you could use that term. But he was very much so present there without my awareness.
00:08:10
Sadhu Dah
And the reason why I can say that with assurance is because after the events had unfolded over that next seven days, he described stuff that only me and Kyle, the other guy there knew about. We hadn't told anybody about what had happened.
00:08:29
Sadhu Dah
Some of the notable things that occurred in that seven day period, she, I don't know if I can cuss or not, but, uh, you know, I, I, I, I shit you not.
00:08:37
Lee Hatfield
Do it. Do it. Yeah, you can. You can.
00:08:40
Sadhu Dah
She crab walked backwards up the wall and hung from the ceiling.
00:08:47
Lee Hatfield
What?
00:08:48
Sadhu Dah
That alone made me just really question what was possible in this world. It made me question my Christian background. It made me question everything that I'd ever thought was true or false even.
00:09:05
Sadhu Dah
She had a silver cross placed on her by Kyle at one point, which the you you could see smoke sizzling and blister marks appearing on her skin from the silver necklace and cross.
00:09:18
Sadhu Dah
We had at one point went to a Catholic church and we went in and we were, there was there was mass being held and we we were on the way there. She tried to crash the car. She like took the steering wheel and tried to wreck the car.
00:09:32
Sadhu Dah
A couple of times, Kyle had to hold her down forcefully. When we got to the church, she proceeded to start to act completely normal.
00:09:36
Lee Hatfield
I like it.
00:09:42
Sadhu Dah
And we were really confused because in our understanding is like, These things shouldn't be able to enter holy ground. you know like This doesn't make any sense from anything
International Recognition and Shamanic Studies
00:09:51
Sadhu Dah
we do know. And she's acting like nothing's wrong.
00:09:55
Sadhu Dah
And we proceed to tell like this like receptionist lady, like we need to talk to a priest. like We need to get an exorcism done. And she's explaining to us, well, that's not how this works.
00:10:06
Sadhu Dah
There's protocols for these things.
00:10:07
Lee Hatfield
I've got to it.
00:10:09
Sadhu Dah
We can wait until mass is over and you can have a conversation with the father and then from there, you know, all the appropriate channels can be followed and then we'll see what happens after that.
00:10:21
Sadhu Dah
And I was like, oh you, like, I'm like yelling at this lady, mean, you don't understand, like, this woman is possessed and I'm like pointing at her and she's just like, mm-hmm, like nothing's wrong. So then we blindsided the father when he came out after mass and at this point, the girl,
00:10:40
Sadhu Dah
ended up kind of, I don't like it happened so quick. She'd like kind of had him in a corner and she was like saying like really, really nasty things to him, but it wasn't her voice.
00:10:52
Sadhu Dah
And he was kind of trembling and the receptionist lady was like calling the police. And she said some stuff about him that sounded pretty personal and it had him shook.
00:11:05
Sadhu Dah
And he kept saying like, I cannot help you. I cannot help you. You need to leave. You need to leave. and And he was just very, very like, broken and she hadn't even really done anything like paranormal, you know?
00:11:17
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to go ahead and see you next time.
00:11:20
Sadhu Dah
And so then these police officers show up and he was about four of them and they even made a remark. They were trying to kind of like escort her out and she started to fight against them. And one of them made a remark like jokingly when he, she, he like grabbed her and she threw him off and he was like, oh, I wasn't expecting such a little bitty thing to have such strength.
00:11:42
Sadhu Dah
And they ended up taking her for psyche vow where this teacher that I mentioned previously showed up, somehow was able to get through security, visiting arrangements, whatever. I don't know how he did it.
00:11:59
Sadhu Dah
But he got in there. He came back out and everything was fine.
00:12:02
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:12:04
Sadhu Dah
He contacted me and he said, that girl is okay now. You don't need to worry about that anymore. was like, what do you mean? And so he's like, I'm going to give you my address. He's like, you come over.
00:12:14
Sadhu Dah
like, we'll talk. So i went over to his place. I proceeded to ask him every question and more that I could think of. And as he answered questions for me, it just drew more questions from me.
00:12:29
Sadhu Dah
And so then devoted myself as a student. That man's name, he's he's a very, very strong expert, someone you should also interview at some point. His name is Amun Barry. And yeah, it's A-M-A-N-B-E-R-R-Y.
00:12:45
Sadhu Dah
He's doing some field-breaking research you know on on the paranormal. A lot of it has to do with a quantum mechanics, some of the weird science-y things. And so i I began to learn from this man for several years till the point where he considered me an equal.
00:12:56
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:13:04
Sadhu Dah
And I was no longer just a student. I wasn't just somebody that he had to teach and keep safe. I became someone capable of protecting not only myself, but others.
00:13:15
Sadhu Dah
I had found that over those years, more than a decade now, me and Amun had worked at least a thousand cases between each other and together.
00:13:27
Lee Hatfield
Are you having second?
00:13:27
Sadhu Dah
And had seen multitude of Everything from, you know, grandma's haunting the house to demonic entities that, you know, came from a black magic summoning to everything in between.
00:13:44
Sadhu Dah
I've seen it all and I've seen nothing at the same time, if that makes sense. And I ended up taking the next chapter, which had me moved to Thailand a few years ago, where A Buddhist monk that I had met in the US and have been learning meditation and things from had a brother who was a forest shaman in Thailand.
00:14:06
Sadhu Dah
So he put me in contact when I moved to Thailand with him. And then I began living with this forest shaman and I began studying the ritual magic, the occult elements, what ghosts are in their society.
00:14:21
Sadhu Dah
And I found myself becoming an expert that gained an international reputation and cornered a market in a very niche field of study.
00:14:32
Sadhu Dah
And that brings us to today where I now go on many different podcasts and i and I answer questions. So there's the origin for you.
Embracing Identity and Loneliness
00:14:44
Lee Hatfield
What I love about doing this kind of thing is sometimes when you say to people, just give me a little bit of background, you get a small piece of information and then you build on that.
00:14:56
Lee Hatfield
And then some episodes like this one where I get completely blown out the water by going, where do I go from here?
00:15:07
Lee Hatfield
And this is one of those because this the information that you've just provided for any normal person, it would just blow their mind.
00:15:19
Sadhu Dah
Oh yeah.
00:15:19
Lee Hatfield
And for you to have experienced that, yeah because at the very beginning, you must have thought, like you say, you had a mental like assessment and then yeah this happened with your with your ex, your partner.
00:15:36
Lee Hatfield
It's sort of like, how can you put that into perspective? You can't. It's literally impossible for you to think rationally about somebody calling up a wall.
00:15:48
Lee Hatfield
It just doesn't happen in everyday life.
00:15:51
Sadhu Dah
Not only that, but that level of phenomena is incredibly rare. And that happened on my very first paranormal case ever.
00:16:03
Lee Hatfield
Wow, that is...
00:16:03
Sadhu Dah
That was my introduction to the real paranormal.
00:16:08
Lee Hatfield
So you say that you're clairvoyant and you use that and you're quite famous for that. But you actually communicate with spirits like a medium.
00:16:19
Lee Hatfield
are you do Do you clash yourself as mediumistic as well or just...
00:16:23
Sadhu Dah
No. And that's a very, very good way of distinguishing the separation that i that that I appreciate because a lot of people tend to clump it as, oh, you see ghosts, so you talk to them.
00:16:37
Sadhu Dah
A lot of times, i I don't really hear it static. I can see them and I can get impressions sometimes. It all depends on the level of One, how willing I am to get rapport with them.
00:16:55
Sadhu Dah
And two, how much they're willing to engage with me. Some I could learn more from if I wanted to, but it doesn't sit right. It feels like there's like almost like a trap-like element to it.
00:17:10
Sadhu Dah
So I don't engage. I learned through the hard way when I started like getting really deep into this and exploring my gifts because I was like, oh, I should have some mediumistic qualities to this.
00:17:22
Sadhu Dah
And I learned that without proper discipline or understanding of a gift, that is a fast track to psychosis.
00:17:32
Lee Hatfield
Right. Gotcha. And having a medical background myself, like i was a paramedic in the UK for 13 years, I can completely understand what you've just said and where you're coming from with that.
00:17:45
Lee Hatfield
So from the point prior to you doing your first paranormal investigation,
00:17:53
Lee Hatfield
where did you kind of see your life going? until it was flipped completely on its ass, so to speak.
00:17:58
Sadhu Dah
but
00:18:03
Lee Hatfield
And then it took a completely different direction.
00:18:07
Sadhu Dah
Well, what I originally wanted to do, I did end up pursuing, but not not for as long as I thought I would. So I went to school for nursing.
00:18:19
Sadhu Dah
And it was like shortly after all of this, like it was like a couple years later or something like that, was like when I actually went to nursing school. And then you can imagine how weird that was working in hospitals.
00:18:33
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah, for sure.
00:18:33
Sadhu Dah
and working in care facilities. But i I ended up kind of having, you know, a crisis of personal nature, losing someone very, very close to me, that kind of spun
Possession Experiences
00:18:46
Sadhu Dah
me out of control.
00:18:48
Sadhu Dah
And once I kind of regathered myself from that loss, I kind of asked myself, well what am what am I doing with my life? what What am I actually doing? Like, Is this really what I want to do? And I'd and i'd always been doing this secret night work.
00:19:04
Sadhu Dah
I had so many people in in my life that had no idea that I fought demons at night. My closest friends didn't really know anything about it.
00:19:15
Sadhu Dah
my My mentor and the clients that I would interact with were the only people who really knew this side of me. and And I carried a very lonely burden. I even had... a girlfriend at one point who broke up with me because she was absolutely well she was kind of like a friends with benefits type of situation but it was there was emotional things there and and there would be nights where she'd want to come over and see me but I wouldn't be available and she was convinced that
00:19:46
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:19:46
Sadhu Dah
you know, us supposed to be exclusive, the only only reason that I wouldn't want to have her over is because I must be with another girl. But I couldn't tell her that the reason why I don't want you over here because i want I want you, girl, but the reason why I don't want you over here is because I'm out fighting a demon right now.
00:19:59
Lee Hatfield
but
00:20:03
Sadhu Dah
But I couldn't tell her that.
00:20:07
Lee Hatfield
Oh, my God. that's That's hilarious. It's either, yeah, you're either having an affair or you're out breaking into people's premises or committing crimes.
00:20:20
Sadhu Dah
I'm like this like vigilante occult Batman, you know, in secret. and and and And and it started to get it started to get lonely in in a greater sense, because, you know, i've I've seen people die in the field on cases.
00:20:37
Sadhu Dah
I've experienced you know possession myself. I've been levitated and slammed into a wall by an invisible force while the people I was supposed to be helping looked on in terror like, what do we do now?
00:20:51
Sadhu Dah
And I had to like hold it together and regroup like this was... you know a normal part of this. you know When I'm the one who's scared senseless, I'd have countless situations I'd go into where I wasn't sure things were going to work out or I'm walking around in the dark of a of a cellar or you know in and and and the woods were where a kid committed suicide. and his spirit is now turned to a wraith and I'm getting a choking sensation on my neck and and I carried this all alone.
00:21:21
Sadhu Dah
Nobody to share it with. you know Slowly being chipped away and broken over time by things that nobody believes are real, by things that people I love and care about in my life have no idea is slowly eating away at me.
00:21:23
Lee Hatfield
All right.
00:21:40
Lee Hatfield
but
00:21:40
Sadhu Dah
And I became so lonely. And i only got a sense of freedom when i finally just said, you know what, I'm gonna put myself out there I'm an expert in what I do. People are either going to see that and they're going to value it or they're going to call me crazy.
00:22:01
Sadhu Dah
But at least I'm not hiding who I am anymore. And at least I am myself in this world, which I would say is the hardest thing for any man to do in this world is to be himself in a world that's constantly trying to change them.
00:22:14
Lee Hatfield
I couldn't agree more. So can we just change your name to Sadhu Data in brackets, I'm Batman.
00:22:24
Sadhu Dah
Well, I'm not a billionaire. Yes. Yeah.
00:22:26
Lee Hatfield
but
00:22:26
Sadhu Dah
So there's
00:22:28
Lee Hatfield
So you mentioned the fact that you've been possessed yourself.
00:22:32
Sadhu Dah
yes
00:22:32
Lee Hatfield
Can you remember much of it? And if so, what parts of that can you actually remember?
00:22:41
Sadhu Dah
yeah so there's There's different levels of possession is the is the first thing that that we need to make a distinction of, which is a difference between transient possession and perfect possession and integration.
00:22:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:57
Sadhu Dah
So a lot of people kind of they don't really know what the different lines of it are. So in experiences of transpossession, this can happen in those subtle states of you you say or do something that's in an aggressive manner that might have some sort of paranormal phenomena attributed right before or right after.
00:23:21
Sadhu Dah
usually in pairings of three. And and that that typically falls with internal and external oppression in stage two of what we would call like a haunting, right?
00:23:33
Sadhu Dah
I've had that happen. And then the more...
00:23:39
Sadhu Dah
Descript one that people would generalize as the common experience with possession would be what we call like perfect possession. And this is when the the entity essentially has slipped into the neurology of the body like a hand inside of a glove.
00:23:51
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:23:57
Sadhu Dah
It controls the entire nervous system and you're kind of locked away in a backseat. You are aware to an extent, but the consciousness is also divided.
00:24:10
Sadhu Dah
there's There's no true focus. Everything's a bit hazy. but you're also in a constant state of pain. One of the situations where this happened to me was as early on in my career.
00:24:24
Sadhu Dah
i got messed up in a Haitian Voudin cult that was doing some pretty naughty stuff. And I thought I was Mr. Big Bad after having a you know a couple of notches on my belt.
00:24:37
Sadhu Dah
And I decided to go toe-to-toe with them. And they were using magic that... You know, I just was not at a level yet where I could comprehend how far boundaries can get pushed.
00:24:50
Sadhu Dah
And so I felt this knocking like feeling on the back of my skull one night and I felt this like sensation of it opening up.
00:24:58
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:25:02
Sadhu Dah
And then I felt at first I've been practicing some forms of ritual magic. at this point. And I felt like it was a guide that was calling me to do this ritual that I was, you know, kind of in in hindsight, it makes no sense.
00:25:15
Sadhu Dah
It really doesn't. But delusion is a very fickle mistress, she can be quite alluring and and can cloud the judgment and in many ways. And so so I go into my my grandmother's like storage shed, and I start setting up ritual space.
00:25:29
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:25:31
Sadhu Dah
And I'm doing some intricate things that i that I hadn't done before with like placements and sigil lines and incense offering all this kind of stuff that that will happen in these types of rituals. and Something came through in such a strong way and I felt it wanting to bond with my body and I got the sensation of if I took this in fully that I would i would have some sort of power. I've been deceptively and cleverly manipulated subconsciously every step of the way to a self-fulfilling prophecy essentially.
00:26:05
Sadhu Dah
Completely unaware. And that's naivety for you. And so I did that and then What i remember, this it lasted over a period of three months before I was really pulled out of it. And it took me a good six months to mentally recover from the trauma of it.
00:26:25
Sadhu Dah
It gave me you know actual diagnosed PTSD. So i had this the first night I had this sensation that I could destroy anything, that I could beat anything.
00:26:38
Sadhu Dah
And there was a I went for a walk and there was like this steel pole by like a basketball court in the park. And I remember feeling that sensation and I punched it.
00:26:51
Sadhu Dah
And the metal, this is like a steel like pole, the metal crumpled in, bent, the pole dipped down and it bent. And there was not a single mark on my knuckles.
00:27:04
Sadhu Dah
And i remember feeling so so in control, but so primal and so raw. I felt the best way I could describe it was I felt truly dangerous, not evil, not powerful.
00:27:15
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:27:19
Sadhu Dah
I felt truly dangerous. and I gave more into that and I found myself obsessively doing rituals that I knew no understanding of. And, and they and they were slowly starting to just really spin my mind to a point where, I i wasn't eating for days on end.
00:27:41
Sadhu Dah
I wasn't even sure if I was drinking water or even using the bathroom. And my grandma became very, very worried about me. And she she would, you know, mijo, you need to stop what you're doing out there.
00:27:53
Sadhu Dah
I can see. i So my my grandma, she practices cuarenterismo. She is a cuarentera in like Mexican traditions. She's just a healer. And so she's she's like, Mio, I can see the man when you come inside. I see him stand outside the shadow, standing in the yard.
00:28:11
Sadhu Dah
And I tell him every night he's not welcome in here. And I pray and I pray to keep him out of the house. What you're doing, you don't understand what you're doing. And it scared me because I'd never even considered this.
00:28:24
Sadhu Dah
I'd never even thought about this.
Exorcism Methods Explained
00:28:26
Sadhu Dah
Something so deceptive about this whole experience, I wasn't even aware that I was possessed.
00:28:33
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:28:35
Sadhu Dah
I was aware something wasn't right. I was aware that I didn't feel good. I was aware that my mind was spiraling out of control. But considering that I was already possessed,
00:28:49
Sadhu Dah
was something that I couldn't fathom. And when I was pulled out of it by the by the help of my mentor, who I apparently, i didn didn't remember this, but I apparently had said some horrible stuff to him and tried to send him away and and keep him out of my life and and tried to completely destroy my whole support system, which is not like me. and When he pulled me out of it, I remember feeling... just this panic best described as like if you were to rip the skin off of a wound healing and just that shock of air and that just that pain.
00:29:35
Sadhu Dah
And it was like I was breathing myself. I was breathing again and it and it hurt. I don't know if that really helps or if only confuses in description, but that's a perfect possession episode.
00:29:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because when I first started doing this paranormal road, I wanted to get as much information as I could. Because yeah if you go into these investigations and you're naive, like you mentioned earlier, certain things could happen.
00:30:07
Lee Hatfield
So one of the courses that I actually did was an introduction of demonology. Now, this was only the angle of the Catholic Church. So when they say that somebody is possessed, they have specific pointers to go, okay, they've checked that box, they've checked this one, they've checked this one, they've checked this one, and that person's possessed.
00:30:33
Lee Hatfield
So one of them is speaking a tongue that you are not familiar with. Did that ever happen to you where you were speaking a different language that you had no knowledge of?
00:30:46
Sadhu Dah
I did in a, so I did in that experience, but it was more of a language of motions, a communication of ritual.
00:30:49
Lee Hatfield
good.
00:30:59
Sadhu Dah
It was almost like prayer. It prayer I didn't know. it was very, very elaborate. Another experience I had was when I was in that in that room with that girl in that very first case.
00:31:15
Sadhu Dah
And there was a moment where I felt this, like it was oppressive and heavy, but it didn't feel negative.
00:31:25
Sadhu Dah
It just felt very strong pressure on my shoulders. And I started speaking in like a 15th century, like Irish or Scottish accent. which I'm not able to do that. my you know This buttery American voice just doesn't function in that way.
00:31:43
Sadhu Dah
And so it was for like 20 30 seconds and I was in in complete control, but I felt i felt older.
00:31:54
Sadhu Dah
i felt kinder. I felt wiser. i felt holy in a sense. I don't know if I was channeling. i don't know if it was a transient form of possession by some divine being or a saint or a priest coming through in a time of aid.
00:32:11
Sadhu Dah
I don't know what it was, but that was that was an experience where and I was speaking, up like I think it would be like Gaelic, but I was speaking in prayers and it wasn't understandable to to Kyle.
00:32:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:32:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So being a person from that kind of motherland, the amount of times that I get Americans and Canadians trying to put on an English accent or a Scottish accent, and it's like, please stop.
00:32:37
Lee Hatfield
Don't do that ever again.
00:32:42
Lee Hatfield
so Throughout your, let's call it a career, how many different religions have you been able to do exorcisms in?
00:32:53
Sadhu Dah
Well, I've been able to do everything through a neutral lens. With some people, all I'll put on the kit gloves and I'll and i'll kind of use the basics to kind of get that rapport.
00:33:09
Sadhu Dah
But what I learned that crosses all religions has been just using heart coherence. and being able to get people into that harmonized state.
00:33:22
Sadhu Dah
and and and and i approach so my My current approach in how I help people is I treat it person first, paranormal second, because the the paranormal is a symptom of what's going on with the person, the person who's being affected.
00:33:41
Sadhu Dah
And why is this person being affected? Well, it all comes down to a level of matching frequencies. So if we can take
Causes of Hauntings and Ouija Board Dangers
00:33:48
Sadhu Dah
this person and raise their frequency to a state where they fall out of rapport with the negative entity, that's the job itself right there.
00:33:49
Lee Hatfield
up
00:33:58
Sadhu Dah
what I've always found very crude is the element of, you know, the exorcist in the room, you know, things are flying around and, you know, in the name of Christ, Christ come out, you know, like, you know, you're you're coming with the wrong frequency.
00:34:11
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:34:11
Sadhu Dah
You're coming with this aggression, with this fighting, with this fear. What you need to come with is literally, as hokey as it sounds, you need to come with love.
00:34:21
Sadhu Dah
You need to come with a pureness because that is... in itself corrosive to the nature of these entities. That is what actually saves people in these situations more than anything else does.
00:34:34
Sadhu Dah
Any other exorcist can get lucky sometimes, but what is going to be your best measure is raising the client to a state of heart coherence. So I focus with trauma.
00:34:47
Lee Hatfield
yeah and that kind of rolls out my next question because was gonna say or gonna ask if there was any specific prayer or faith play that you use for every exorcism but i think you've already explained that one
00:35:04
Sadhu Dah
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use a lot of color breathing. Some of Brent Baum and David Snyder's work. You know, they're world-class hypnotists. And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, entity or attachment or not, you can you can you can play the same game.
00:35:15
Lee Hatfield
so
00:35:20
Sadhu Dah
You can you can get into their neurology. The only thing is you can do it with that person instead of using the trickery that you know these entities use in sneaking around, right?
00:35:31
Sadhu Dah
We just go directly into the neurology of that person and we have them redefine you know the barriers in place and the state of where their consciousness is going to sit.
00:35:42
Lee Hatfield
yeah So the people that you've actually cleansed or exercised, whichever we want to put it, when they've had this initial attachment,
00:35:55
Lee Hatfield
Have you seen that there's kind of like a
00:36:02
Lee Hatfield
a formal thing that more multiple people go through? So, yeah, some pipe some people may have dabbled with a Ouija board, for example, or some people may have practiced magic but not know what they're doing.
00:36:14
Lee Hatfield
Has there been any similarities in some of your clients, patients, whatever you want to call them?
00:36:20
Sadhu Dah
Oh, yeah.
00:36:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:36:21
Sadhu Dah
I mean, we have a the occasional oddity that, you know, one of my colleagues would define as juicy because it's it's just not not so common.
00:36:34
Sadhu Dah
we At this point, we get this weird, sick pleasure out of this. I think it's a coping mechanism. But the three most common things that I tend to see are Ouija boards specifically,
00:36:48
Sadhu Dah
That happens more than you would probably think or maybe not more than you think. That's a very common one. I've had a lot of i had at least a couple hundred cases that involved Ouija boards. It's the start of it all.
00:37:02
Sadhu Dah
And then the second, which is quite sad because it's very prevalent our society, people that are depressed or overly anxious.
00:37:14
Sadhu Dah
they tend to just kind of sit right there in that perfect bandwidth for something to reach out. that's, that's one that, that requires a little bit more finesse because then we're, we're also kind of, you know, having to play, play the hat of a therapist in, in a way, and, and we're having to approach and,
00:37:36
Sadhu Dah
you know, a more kid-glove friendly version because these people are in a vulnerable state and they're in a haunting, which is makes people in a more vulnerable state just by its own, you know, even if they have strong mental fortitude.
00:37:49
Sadhu Dah
The third case that I tend to see the most frequency for most frequency is when a loved one is passed.
00:37:58
Lee Hatfield
This is such an AMD.
00:37:58
Sadhu Dah
And those fall into one or two categories the home is being haunted and they're just scared by the phenomena and it means no harm and it's a simple crossing or that person didn't cross clean and now grandpa is trying to smother little Timmy in his sleep and projecting you know nightmarish you know episodes upon him and we can't believe or fathom that this is grandpa, but it is and at the same time it isn't anymore.
00:38:29
Sadhu Dah
So those are the three most common threads I see.
00:38:34
Lee Hatfield
Right. And that kind of makes sense because yeah i we have a, you're probably going to tell me off now, one of the members of my team, he likes to, i won't say dabble, but he likes to put to the test the Ouija board.
00:38:52
Lee Hatfield
But he's done his research. He knows how to open yeah the gate. He knows how to close. So he's kind of doing it in a practical way.
00:39:03
Lee Hatfield
rather than going, let's have a few beers, this is going to be fun. yeah he does He does actually do the research into the whys, the fools, and all that kind of stuff.
00:39:14
Lee Hatfield
But I never get involved with that because I don't know what it is, maybe watching The Exorcist or something as a kid, but I don't go anywhere near that.
00:39:25
Sadhu Dah
the The only reason i've I've used Ouija boards in a couple of cases to deliberately provoke something, but I had a very specific course of action I was taking and I knew what I was doing.
00:39:28
Lee Hatfield
And that's the damage.
00:39:42
Sadhu Dah
The only time I would, you know, kind of not really judge someone for using a Ouija board is if they were doing it in a controlled space.
00:39:53
Sadhu Dah
not exposing other people or their own personal you know space to you know what you're opening, which is essentially...
00:39:59
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:40:02
Sadhu Dah
so So we have to first understand what a Ouija board actually does. Ouija board opens a portal, if you will, to the lower astral.
00:40:15
Sadhu Dah
Now, there are no... positive spirits other than lost ones that, you know, falls into a tricky realm of do you help them, do you not, you know, kind of like you see a gazelle about to get attacked, you know, by by a cheetah, you know, like, do you intervene or not?
00:40:27
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:40:37
Sadhu Dah
You know, it's it's it's it's a conflicting question. But These spirits are very few and far between. What you see the most in the lower astral are parasites and predators and wraiths, corrupted human shades, if you will.
00:40:54
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:40:54
Sadhu Dah
That's all you're going to reach. You're not going to reach an angel. You're not going to find some higher deity. Your you know loved one who is probably crossed cleanly or may even be in residing within the home itself, they're not going to come through from the lower astral.
00:41:11
Sadhu Dah
So it doesn't really serve any purpose. in regards to what the majority of people use a Ouija board for.
00:41:21
Sadhu Dah
You're calling something that you don't realize you're calling.
00:41:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:25
Sadhu Dah
And the the the only other way I would you know suggest using the Ouija board is if you're someone who has... you know who has a lot of experience and you have good level of protection and you know how to handle yourself. And even then I would say only use it with a purpose, not just because.
00:41:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, which makes perfect sense. And that's the good enough reason for me to step even further back. So back in the 70s in Europe, there was a particular case where this young girl, she had multiple, multiple exorcisms.
Distinguishing Mental Health from Paranormal
00:42:07
Lee Hatfield
And in the end, when she passed, her parents and the church were actually tried and convicted for neglect.
00:42:18
Lee Hatfield
I'm not sure if you're familiar with this particular story.
00:42:20
Sadhu Dah
Annalise?
00:42:22
Lee Hatfield
Yes, that's the one. Yeah.
00:42:23
Sadhu Dah
Yes.
00:42:24
Lee Hatfield
So... Have you ever been in a situation where you've been called in and you feel like you've been called in for the wrong reasons or when you've turned up, you've realized that it might be of a mental health reason rather than a demonic reason?
00:42:46
Sadhu Dah
Oh, absolutely. And that's why i always screen every case I take before I get involved with it. And what I break, I break my cases. I would still help the person, but my approach is completely different.
00:43:00
Sadhu Dah
So be because I also do trauma hypnotherapy as well with people that are not related to the paranormal that come to me to help them in regards to their trauma.
00:43:13
Sadhu Dah
So to me, it's still a client I would take. the The only difference is is I break down my cases. i categorize everything. It just makes things easier.
00:43:23
Sadhu Dah
So I either get a situation where this is a true paranormal occurrence or Or get a situation that is a crisis of mental health. Or the worst, I get a true paranormal case combined with mental health crisis.
00:43:37
Lee Hatfield
so
00:43:41
Sadhu Dah
Those are the most delicate. So when I get someone that is calling me or coming to me with a mental health situation and there is no paranormal element in involved in it, you know one of the one of the things I have to screen first is, you know, you're coming to me, there's demons in your house, all this is going on, okay.
00:44:01
Sadhu Dah
You might not have direct proof that you can provide me because sometimes it's hard to capture these things. But, you know, have there been knocks and bangs? Have, you know, things, you know, teleported or, you know, re reappeared?
00:44:15
Sadhu Dah
Are you hearing voices? Are there footsteps? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Like, all these markers of paranormal phenomena, have any of them occurred and
00:44:25
Lee Hatfield
you
00:44:26
Sadhu Dah
Not just have any of them occurred, but have there been at least three instances occurring of paranormal phenomena? And if so, are there gaps and breaks in between that coincide with the mental episodes that are also happening?
00:44:42
Sadhu Dah
So when I'm dealing with someone that's a mental crisis issue, one thing I have seen, and I've never seen this fail, is anytime it's been purely mental health, there has been no paranormal phenomena.
Complex Exorcism Cases
00:44:57
Sadhu Dah
No matter what the person says, no matter what is described, there has been a complete lack of any paranormal phenomena.
00:45:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And right.
00:45:09
Sadhu Dah
So that's how I know.
00:45:11
Lee Hatfield
And being medical background myself, the amount of mental health patients that I've had to deal with, each one is is quite specific.
00:45:23
Lee Hatfield
and No two are the same because each but everyone's completely different. And you definitely have to treat them a lot different and a lot more, like...
00:45:38
Lee Hatfield
wrapped in wrapped in bubble wrap so to speak than what you would do a normal individual because you don't know what's going to flare them up you don't know what's gonna what are the keywords that that may send them like psychotic or or whatever
00:45:54
Sadhu Dah
I always play when it's when it's a mental health situation, I always play slightly into the delusion just enough to gain enough trust to help navigate them out of it.
00:46:06
Sadhu Dah
I believe just by my own experience and I'm sure many professionals with with a degree would would agree that the worst thing you can do is tell somebody in a situation, a mental crisis, that you're crazy and you're making this all up and it's not real.
00:46:23
Sadhu Dah
We know that. But to get someone to believe that when it is real for them, that's impossible. And if you really want to help them, the best thing you can do is be like, yeah, okay, you know, there's there might be a lot of spiders in here right now, but but you know what? why Why don't we go sit in the other room?
00:46:46
Sadhu Dah
Maybe there's not as many in there. Maybe we can go and sit, talk there, be less distracting with less spiders around us, right? So, you know, kind of just just enough to play into it to get them to calm down and see you as their beacon of hope.
00:47:03
Sadhu Dah
That's my approach with like mental health situations.
00:47:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and I can completely relate to that. So going back to all these exorcisms that you've done, Has there been any that have been more challenging more concern and concerning than, don't want to say this, but the average exorcism, so to speak?
00:47:28
Sadhu Dah
Oh, definitely. I mean, all, all hauntings are at their root, just another haunting, but just like people and we're all just people, everybody's different.
00:47:41
Sadhu Dah
Everybody's unique in their own quirky ways. The same goes for, you know, the axorcisms I've done. one of the hardest ones that i did was, I, so I saved a little girl,
00:47:50
Lee Hatfield
We have water, so we some friends.
00:47:56
Sadhu Dah
in Ohio and I ended up failing that one because her mother had contacted me Her mother had done, you know, a variation of what she thought Wicca was.
00:48:15
Sadhu Dah
It was nothing resembling Wicca in any way at all. She had done like a full on goat sacrifice, like, like killed one of like they had like a little farm She she killed one of the goats, did did a bloody pentagram on the floor and everything, and and and and and literally offered up you know the spirit of her daughter you know as part of a deal.
00:48:37
Sadhu Dah
And then, surprise, surprise, she had enough psychic juice in her. She she you know did things in such a way that something did answer.
00:48:49
Sadhu Dah
and There was a lot of paranormal phenomena that took place in that house, from shadows that would spread through the wall and take over even if you shined a light on it, and be like a thick shadow that light couldn't penetrate.
00:49:03
Sadhu Dah
There would be like an ectoplasma-like substance that had this like almost maple syrupy color to it, but it dripped like blood and it would evaporate as it dripped, but evaporated into this like smokiness and then just disappeared into the air.
00:49:19
Sadhu Dah
there was random, like brutal banging, knocking sounds on the front door that would happen at 2am every every every night slash morning, however you look at it.
00:49:32
Sadhu Dah
And so when I when I got on the scene, and and i and I went to help this woman, there was quite a bit of stuff happening already. So she told me everything I said, Okay, like,
00:49:43
Sadhu Dah
Man, you're going to have some words later, but right now let's help your daughter because her daughter was having some very inappropriate.
00:49:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:49:53
Sadhu Dah
hes like This is like a prepubescent child having very inappropriate dreams and contact that goes with that if you catch my drift.
00:50:04
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:50:04
Sadhu Dah
And so so I helped the family. Everything was good. Everything was fine. And then about, i think it was a couple months later, i get contacted from the woman again.
00:50:17
Sadhu Dah
And she said, well, it's happened again.
00:50:17
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:50:19
Sadhu Dah
and I was like, well, I'm not going to call you a liar, but I'm not really convinced that it's just going to happen like that. What did you do?
00:50:30
Sadhu Dah
And I had to really pry it out of her. But she had done another ritual, a different one, this time not offering the daughter up. And she was asking me to come out and fix it again.
00:50:43
Sadhu Dah
Phenomena had already started up. And so i found myself in an interesting situation where I realized she basically had a savior on dial.
00:50:54
Sadhu Dah
And I didn't think that this woman was going to learn from it. So, and and I'm not proud of this one. This case did haunt me. But but i I told her, I said, you know what? I did my job.
00:51:05
Sadhu Dah
You ripped open the wound again on your own. This wasn't an accident. You're on your own. Not too long after I ended up getting an email from the the sister of this woman.
00:51:21
Sadhu Dah
And she's like, a you know, you the Saruda? And I'm like, yeah. And she's like, I need to talk to you about my sister. And I'm like, okay, well, how do you know about me? And how do you know about me and your sister?
00:51:35
Sadhu Dah
And she says, well, you know, i I got what was left of my sister's belongings when they were, you know, released from custody. and And the crime scene was, you know, basically taken care of.
00:51:49
Sadhu Dah
We just may finished making, you know, funeral arrangements for my niece. And I had just had some some questions about, you know, some of the emails you had back and forth with with my sister that I read.
00:52:00
Lee Hatfield
So, we'll go back and then we'll talk.
00:52:03
Sadhu Dah
And I'm like, funeral arrangements for the niece? I'm like, okay, well, what's going on here What had ended up happening was this woman went into a possessed state, strangled her little daughter to death, and then proceeded to call the police right after, almost like in a catatonic state too when they arrived.
00:52:23
Sadhu Dah
And she had no memory. And when they told her what she did and when she was being charged with it, the woman completely fell apart, was hysterical, was inconsolable with not just the knowledge that her daughter was dead, but with the knowledge that she did this with her own hands.
00:52:40
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:52:45
Sadhu Dah
One of the hardest conversations that I had to have was trying to explain to her sister why helped her in the first place and then let this happen after.
00:53:00
Sadhu Dah
I had no idea that was going to happen.
00:53:03
Lee Hatfield
yeah for sure so in that particular instance did the police reach out to you
00:53:11
Sadhu Dah
They had pretty much ruled everything as a homicide from you know, a woman that had just had a psychotic break and they felt like that was good enough, at least in small town America where this took place and for this police department, they had all of the evidence and everything necessary for them to feel like it was an open and shut case.
00:53:37
Sadhu Dah
It was only her sister that wanted more answers.
00:53:42
Lee Hatfield
Right. So the fact that you actually helped her originally, but then told her that you wasn't going to help the next time, have you actually been called to an incident that you've said blatantly, no, I'm not coming?
00:54:03
Lee Hatfield
And if you have, why was that?
00:54:07
Sadhu Dah
No, i haven't because the people that contact me now, so i have i have several students that I've trained that handle what I, you know, and it's no offense to the people that experience them, but what I consider lower level cases, i have people that take care of those for me.
00:54:30
Sadhu Dah
I get referred to or i pick up only high-level cases these days.
00:54:35
Lee Hatfield
you have
00:54:38
Sadhu Dah
Serious stuff. And when I come on the scene, it's usually we've been through a dozen other shamans, priests, et cetera. Nobody's been able to help us.
00:54:48
Sadhu Dah
You're last chance. And they're willing to do pretty much anything I ask them. And when it comes to my... So when I'm teaching people Occult traditions, shamanism, training in demonology, these types of things, I charge for my services.
00:55:07
Sadhu Dah
my My books, my my Patreon, my amulet shop, all this, I charge for that. The most dangerous work I do, I do for free.
00:55:17
Sadhu Dah
When I do my exorcism work, I do not charge for that. So when people come to me for this and they're in such a desperate state,
00:55:28
Sadhu Dah
and they know that I'm doing this just out of like heart and soul, they tend to have a different attitude.
Philosophy and Client Challenges
00:55:35
Lee Hatfield
That makes perfect sense and I can can see where you're coming from. there's There's one point that I want to go back to the earlier time of the of the episode.
00:55:46
Lee Hatfield
You mentioned about people getting scratched and there was three marks. What I find, and it kind of irritates me, is that every single person that gets scratched immediately goes to the, it's a bad entity, it's malevolent, or it's a demon.
00:56:08
Lee Hatfield
But I kind of have a different theory, and I'd like to share that with you. So if one of us has passed and we want to try to communicate with the other person the first thing you're naturally going to do is to call their name if the person doesn't hear you because one of you has passed you're going to shout louder and if that doesn't happen my belief or i like to believe is that the next natural thing is for
00:56:43
Lee Hatfield
that person to reach out and to try and touch that person.
00:56:45
Sadhu Dah
Thank you.
00:56:47
Lee Hatfield
And it could be that connection of that energy that is causing the scratches.
00:56:54
Sadhu Dah
So what you're describing is what we call the irritation of meridian lines, or as some people would say, an allergic reaction in the etheric anatomy.
00:57:10
Sadhu Dah
So what does that mean? Well, when we kind of go through the visualization of picturing a ghost touching us, You know, it's it's one thing to kind of visualize and picture a an actual hand touching your physical body.
00:57:21
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:57:23
Sadhu Dah
But there's a layer which the University of HeartMath has actually measured that we have an electromagnetic field that emanates in a six to eight foot circumference around our body.
00:57:37
Sadhu Dah
So there is an actual electrical field that has been measured through science that emanates from our body. Now, If this electrical field is tampered with by another, let's just say an anomaly and something that has willful ability and can interact with its environment around it, it would beg to reason at a certain level of disturbance would we see a physical reaction occur on the body.
00:58:13
Sadhu Dah
Now, think about if you smell something like, let's say, you know, a certain inhalant that's not good for you, some sort of chemical inhalant.
00:58:23
Sadhu Dah
We can't see it, but these vapors are very much real. And these vapors can irritate the nasal passages and if breathed in deeply enough, can actually scar the lining of the lungs, right?
00:58:36
Sadhu Dah
So... Something that is able to directly interact with the electric magnetic field of our body is corporeal in nature. It would beg the you know the explanation that at a certain level, you know you could create an irritation.
00:58:57
Sadhu Dah
Not enough damage to cause a severe you know wound, but enough to show the presence of something interacting.
00:59:07
Sadhu Dah
So yes, I support your theory, but only because i can explain it in a way that makes sense to me.
00:59:18
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:59:19
Sadhu Dah
i i could see that being a thing with a regular ghosts. They usually try to generate phenomena in other ways, but it's not unlikely at all that that has happened or does happen.
00:59:34
Lee Hatfield
And I'm glad that you explained it that way, because that makes a hell of lot more sense. to my my theory because you broke it down even further so that if somebody or I speak about that in the future.
00:59:50
Lee Hatfield
Somebody can we can explain things, so I thank you for that particular bit so.
00:59:56
Sadhu Dah
Yeah, no problem.
00:59:58
Lee Hatfield
yeah So we are coming towards the
Conclusion and Contact Information
01:00:00
Lee Hatfield
end. So your five minutes of fame, so to speak, if you'd like to mention about your books, what services you provide and where people can contact you, please.
01:00:13
Sadhu Dah
Yeah, absolutely. I'd do it in a, in 30 seconds easily. so had like as far as but books, my shop, services that I offer, etc., my videos, all that,
01:00:34
Sadhu Dah
thesadhudah.com. Everything's there, easy to access.
01:00:40
Lee Hatfield
That was actually 29 seconds, so you lied. it wasn't.
01:00:43
Sadhu Dah
Hey, nice.
01:00:43
Lee Hatfield
this la Saludah, it's been an absolute pleasure, and I have learned so much tonight. I was so looking forward to speaking to you. And if Joe sees this, he does speak English.
01:00:57
Lee Hatfield
Don't lie to me ever again. Because for the people that are listening, Joe told me that he doesn't speak English, he would need a translator, and his phone translates into English. So when I see him next, I'm going to kick his butt.
01:01:11
Lee Hatfield
But Salazar, it's been an absolute pleasure. I've thoroughly enjoyed this. I hope we get to talk again very soon.
01:01:17
Sadhu Dah
Absolutely.
01:01:18
Lee Hatfield
But for now, thank you very much for your time. Take care.
01:01:21
Sadhu Dah
Thank you. too.