Introduction & Guests
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Goblin Lore. This episode is our finale of the two-part series on Books in Magic with Morgan Wentworth and Bibliavore Ork.
Commodore Guff's Multiverse Writing
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Last time we ended the discussion about halfway through when we were talking about Commodore Guff and his ability to manipulate the fabric of the multiverse through writing, through his books.
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We were just about to get into this discussion about what it means to have a kind of magic that uses text, that uses literature as a way of creating life and illusion and artistry.
Literature as Magic in Dominaria
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So without any further ado, let's get to the show.
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I think so. Although a representation of literature as magic can be found in Dominaria with the sagas. Each saga tells a story about something that happened in Dominaria, for example the mending or the fall of the thrand. And so those are not necessarily planeswalkers that specialize in it, but a way that magic is
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Used to tell a story. Yeah, and that was that was a cool thing to see too because you get that the flavor of You know your counter or your lore counter. It wasn't lore counters. Yeah, they take up and it's like you're reading through the chapters of the book And then the art gives us this tapestries then they they decide to mess with the frame of the card in a way that
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was just amazing to see spoiled.
Art in Magic: Marari Conjecture
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And one of my favorite current artworks, obviously it's Follus, but the Eldest Reborn is just amazing artwork. And it looks like a tapestry that's telling this story to us. Yeah, my favorite of the sagas is probably the Marari conjecture, just because it looks like some wizard could have had a Eureka moment and then covered a blackboard in the art that's on Marari conjecture.
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I actually, back around GP Seattle, I got to have dinner with James Arnold, who's the artist who illustrated the Marari conjecture. And he was talking exactly about that, the desire to really have that kind of like blackboard look, that laboratory look, and saying that he was working with Mark Winters, who was the AD on the set. And the thing that kind of art direction that kept coming back was more chalk, more chalk,
Sagas' Unique Artistic Styles
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more chalk. And so he said, I was in my garage
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with pieces of chalk just breaking chalk on a blackboard to try to see all the different ways that chalk looks when it breaks because you know if you're writing really fast and you're excited you break the piece of chalk but then you just pick up the end up and keep going so you get that little kind of like chalk explosion midway through the writing where the chalk broke
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And that was the level of detail that went into trying to do reference for that art that was in his garage, just breaking chalk over and over and over again to see the different ways that the chalk can look when you break it. This is definitely a topic for another podcast. But the different ways that art styles were used to convey parts of the sagas, we had
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i can't remember yeah the stained glass for history of banalia we had the first eruption that it was a tapestry i mean you have all these beautiful different ways of showing you know these different genres of art and and it looks like different medium media for most of these but it's yeah all you know one of them was painted but it was painted to look like the thread of an actual woven mat yeah that was the first eruption yep yeah that was that was steve belladon did that
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Yeah, so I love that too. You have those different ways of conveying story through, you know, through representations of how we in our real lives can convey story through art.
Magic Cards as Storytelling Devices
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That's super cool. To go to the novel and the storytelling techniques, that's where you can take those little details.
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and you're telling the story through the texture of the art, not just the art itself telling the story, because the art in all those sagas is telling the story. Look at time of ice. Every relevant person from this story of ice age is on that art somewhere.
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But you also, through the texture of the medium, if it's woven cloth, if it's stained glass, it tells you about the culture that is still telling this story today. Absolutely. I feel like this is a good spot to ask you, then, Morgan, to talk a little bit about how you... We're kind of wrapping all this back in on itself. We have the very literal way of looking at cards as books in Magic.
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And there's also kind of this meta stuff we're dealing with the lore and all of that.
Building a Book-Themed EDH Deck
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And you decided to take both of those two things and smush them together and make a books EDH deck. Your new commander deck is all about books. So can you explain how did you curate your library? So I actually collect cards with books on them. So this was kind of me taking that and distilling it down into a concept that I really enjoyed.
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And what I ended up doing, giving a pie, was Hannah Shipp's Navigator, which is a card that's special to me because I got it for presenting at a judge conference. And Teresa Nielsen's art is just amazing. And Hannah has some books in her art. And her ability, which is pay three and tap her to return target artifacter and champion card from your graveyard,
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with Marari conjecture and then also the Antiquities War, both being enchantments that go to your graveyard through the natural progression of their abilities, seemed really cool to me. And so I picked out cards that either were artifacts, so I have the Jameday tome, I have the Ursus tome, I have the new one, the arcane encyclopedia in there, as well as the people that used them, the wizards.
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So I have a Zami Lady of Scrolls in there, as well as some other Naru Meha Master Wizard from Dominaria. It was just surrounded by pages. And a Feto Alchemist, which I believe is a wizard in spite of the alchemy in the title.
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It's a creature from Onslaught that has the ability tap it to untap, target, creature, or artifact. So it all kind of works together in this wonderful way where I get to use these creatures to draw cards, and I get to use these artifacts to draw cards, and I don't really win the game, but damn do I have a lot of cards.
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So you don't have like a legit win con? Is it just like it's all about drawing?
Winning Strategies & Thematic Play
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The Antiquities War can be a win condition because its final chapter is turning all of my artifacts into five vibes. I could also cause some of my opponents to lose with stuff like walking archive that makes everybody draw cards or
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Jucci Apprentice, which slips into a creature, the legendary creature that makes an opponent draw cards, er, target player, draw cards equal to the number of cards in my hand. So I can really just magnify the amount of cards that everybody's drawing. Unfortunately, when I tried that strategy to win a game, I didn't kill somebody by making them draw cards, so they used all of the cards that they drew to kill us.
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You try to flood them with knowledge and they somehow use that knowledge to kill you. Awkward and very hot in flavor. It was a lot of fun and so that's like I could put for example laboratory maniac into the deck laboratory maniac when you if you would draw a card but have no cards in your library you win the game.
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The thing is, Laboratory Maniac does not have any books in their art. So it really feels like I'm selling the books short. Taking the focus away from them by adding non-book related wicked dishes to the deck.
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So you could use it to win the game, but at what cost? Right, right, right. That's deep. Now that's some snaps there. That's awesome. And that's really cool. It's a way for you of taking the part of the game that you identify with the most and putting it, like, curating, again, curating. But your game experience to be that, that's super cool. And who cares if you win? You have all the knowledge. Like, that's the important thing.
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Shout out to Legion Supplies for making the best sleeves ever for this deck. I own an entire case of these sleeves. They are the black RTFC sleeves, and RTFC stands for Read the Frickin' Card.
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Let's pivot now. We've talked a bit now about the game, about the lore, and about magic itself.
Books vs. Social Media as Idea Spreaders
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This is always one of the focus of our shows, is how do we take this stuff now and transfer it into our own lives, into the real world? So, Alex, I think you had been talking about some of this stuff. You've gone to conventions about writing and books and literature specifically.
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how do we take our knowledge of how books and literature matter in magic and use it in the real world? Well, and I've heard this described, I'm pretty sure it was at the Fourth Street Fantasy Convention Commission I go to, but that ideals are like viruses. They can spread from person to person just by conversation, such as this podcast. And we can spread those things around and it moves through population. And that is books and the written word
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is one of the first ways that humans were able to take that and not have to be face to face with somebody to share ideas. Now, I can take this physical object, you can move it across distances, and then those ideas can travel with it.
Writing & Cultural Preservation
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It was the OG social media. Yeah. That's what you're saying. And that's, and I actually found several years ago, just this fascinating article about Martin Luther, the guy who started the Luther movement.
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Branch of Christianity who, there was some problematic stuff there, but he was the first person to go viral. Because the printing press at the time was able to print all of these pamphlets and these little things and was able to share his ideas and spread his ideas about what the church was doing and why this was wrong and why this might be closer to what the Bible was saying, but he was able to share his ideas with people.
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Yeah, because that was Gutenberg, right? Johannes Gutenberg, the first printing press maven. What's important about them for, especially in ancient times, is their longevity. I listened to a podcast called Hardcore History. And one series of episodes was about the ancient Persian Empire. And the host of the podcast noted that the Persians are
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largely seen in history as the villains. But that's because they were the main antagonist of the Greeks, and the Greeks wrote everything down. Herodotus just recorded a lot of things, and it's possible that the things that Herodotus wrote down were meant to be orally delivered, but they were written down and we still have those. Whereas the Persians had a largely oral culture of maintaining their history, so we ended up losing that.
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And so we know what we know, but we don't know what we don't know about the Persians because there are no books. There's no long-lasting record of what they thought about themselves.
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I feel both that Donald Rumsfeld quote coming on, the known unknowns, and there's also an element of that, of history being written by the victors, right? I mean, then the Greeks didn't win every battle, but in a sense, they won the knowledge war. They were the cultural victors. Right. It's relevant in terms of ancient history, but it's even relevant in terms of today and the preservation of knowledge and the maintenance of that knowledge going forward that you look at how much of
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what we do now exists in an entirely digital realm. And obviously there are forms of archiving and there are efforts to archive some of that knowledge, but it's going to be an open question. You know, 10, 20, 50 years from now, how much of the media that we're creating today in digital formats survives for posterity?
Da Vinci Biography & Written Legacy
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And this conversation is propitious because I've been reading Walter Isaacson's biography of Leonardo da Vinci.
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And of course, he also wrote the biography of Steve Jobs. And there's a comment in the book where he's talking about Leonardo's notebooks, which famously Leonardo da Vinci kept all these notebooks where he would do sketches and he would work on his inventions and he would write down things he observed and ideas that occurred to him and his mirror script. And the availability of these small notebooks was a tool that he took advantage of.
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Famously, he would always carry one with him wherever he was going. And the comment Isaacson makes in his biography is that we now have about 7,200 pages of Leonardo's notebooks which survive today, which is probably, as an estimate, maybe about a quarter of what Leonardo actually wrote during his life. But the comparison he makes is that that's a higher percentage of Leonardo's writing that still exists after 500 years.
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than the percentage of Steve Jobs' emails and digital documents from the 1990s that they were able to uncover when writing the Steve Jobs biography. So there's that preservation of knowledge that comes from having it written down.
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I believe it was Samaria, the cuneiform was one of the first forms of writing that we discovered and I think it was in Samaria that they recorded a lot of like tax things and like how many cows were sold at the market but they didn't record a lot of other cultural stuff so we don't know a whole lot about them. We know how their economy works. But we have some very specific details about who was selling what and where.
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Interesting idea of what knowledge is what knowledge lasts and the incomplete picture that creates And you know going back and talking about the the spread of printing and Going back to Leonardo da Vinci again for a second He was alive right at the time that printing technology had started to spread and it allowed da Vinci who didn't speak Greek didn't speak Latin and
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There's fascinating pages from his notebooks where you can see that he's trying to teach himself Latin, where he's copying down long lists of Latin verbs, and presumably he's not enjoying the exercise, because in between the lists of verbs he draws sketches of frowning faces, which there's no way to know, but historians have interpreted that as his sort of editorial comment on how much he didn't like having to try to learn Latin. And had he lived 100 years earlier, that would have
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essentially made it impossible for him to consume most of the written material that might have interested him because it was written in Latin, but the spread of printing and the availability of cheaper printing materials like cheaper paper and the translation of that literature into the vernacular vernacular Italian
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gave him access to books that he never would have had previously. And so I'm going to read briefly here. His notebooks are filled with lists of books that he acquired and passages that he copied. In the late 1480s, he itemized the five books that he owned. Pliny, a Latin grammar book, a text on minerals and precious stones, an arithmetic text, and a humorous, epic poem about the adventures of a knight and the giant he converted to Christianity, which was often performed at the Medici court.
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By 1492, Leonardo had close to 40 volumes.
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A testament to his universal interests, they included books on military machinery, agriculture, music, surgery, health, Aristotelian science, Arabian physics, palmistry, the lives of famous philosophers, as well as the poetry of Ovid and Petrarch, the fables of Aesop, and some collections of body dog rolls and burlesques, and a 14th century operetta from which he drew part of his bestiary. By 1504, he would be able to list 70 more books that he owned, including 40 works of science, close to 50 works of poetry and literature,
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10 on art and architecture, 8 on religion, and 3 on math. And so again, like you see, that's the effect that the press had. That was what made that knowledge available. Which were expensive. Yes. Before that. And they were also super nice.
Printing Press & Literature Access
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They were bound up really well. Not all of them. There's always really cheap pamphlet sort of.
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pulpy material books and that's where we get the term pulp from but yeah the the nice ones were like really nice bound in leather and like beautiful and like covers everything like that and what I really like about this list is that is a representation of
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like the knowledge of DaVinci, the information that he had access to, his library, his deck, that he could draw from. And we don't necessarily get that today. I can't look at all the books I own and say, oh, I must know a lot about theories. But because we have access to the internet, so all of our libraries are basically just
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like everything versus we have to specifically curate what we know or what we want to know. Yeah and books are so easily available now. I have a lot of books that I have never read and some that just by the odds of the number that I buy versus the number that I read every year probably won't actually read. Well what if Da Vinci's collection was all aspirational?
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Well, I think there's a reason, as someone observed, that we say that we're living in the information age. Nobody says that we're living in the knowledge age.
00:18:55
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I'm going to butcher exactly what this is. I'm sorry, so please correct me. But you both work in informational data organization. Can you talk a little bit too about how that digital element plays into our understanding of knowledge and knowledge categorization and preservation? I'm actually going to library school. Basically, I'm getting my master's in library science. And so if you want to keep track of that, follow me on Twitter.
00:19:23
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We'll see if I'm actually alive after that. But yeah, one of the things about library science is the diversity of job opportunities, specifically requiring the person to have a master's in library science.
Library Science & Knowledge Organization
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For example, companies will use librarians to organize and sort out their data that they have collected on product or on surveys that they've collected for people.
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because that itself is something that needs to be organized and librarians have the skills to do it and to figure out what's important in that information. Digital curation is something that's really important. And I could talk about this from the other side because I work in software and game development and I remember about maybe four or five years ago at this point where that was kind of
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suddenly that was a buzzword that was on everybody's mind when we were working on projects. It's data and metrics and user tracking. We need to make sure that we're building all these hooks into the programs, that we're collecting all this user data. We're making sure that we have access to all this, but it's useless if there's no further effort made in terms of like, okay, you're accumulating all this data. What are you actually going to do with it? What are you actually going to learn from it? How are you going to interpret it? What is it actually going to get you?
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And so again it's that distinction between information and knowledge if you will. That there was this kind of shallow organizational level understanding that well we should really be collecting all of this information it's like okay so we collected it now what.
00:21:01
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Sort of in the same vein as what you're saying, this collections over collection of data kind of takes away the meaning of the knowledge.
Challenges of the Digital Age
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I wonder today, are we with this digital age, do you think about all the stuff that we put online, all this stuff that we have?
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you know, just of our daily lives encapsulated like you can I can tweet out and I'm sure I did tweet out numerous times like having a sandwich or walk into the counter or this ability to capture everything in data now has led to almost an oversaturation of what we have. And I mean, does that
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Do you think that sort of is a something that we are going to regret in, you know, five, 10, 20, 100 years down the road? Well, there are actually studies about this. And one of the things I was really interested in when I started applying for grad schools was information literacy, which is the ability to sort out what's important in information.
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So one of the hot topics around information literacy at the time where I was like writing essays for grad school was
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fake news. And there are studies saying that people have less of an ability now to sort out what is fake news than they have in the past because there's just so much of it. The 24-hour news cycle went from being something that you joked about because of cable TV
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to being literally every minute of every day people are posting on Twitter. And now you have like a 24 hour news cycle that isn't broken down into hours. It's broken down into minutes or seconds. There's so much of this stuff here that we don't know how to how to suss it out. You beings are trained like our brains are designed to look for patterns too. So yes, when when we have so much data, we will find patterns that don't actually exist.
00:23:02
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That's where a lot of conspiracy theories come from. Because where there's so much data available, we're just like, well, these things can't be a coincidence. Completely missing how statistics work and the fact that, yes, there's coincidences happen all the time. Randomness is lumpy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, we're pattern seeking animals.
Sensory Experience of Physical Books
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It's an evolutionary behavior and I think it's just
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We have more places to look for patterns than we ever did before, and we're going to find them whether they exist or not. Sort of as a last note on this before we move on, the very tangible difference, the tactile difference of writing notes down versus typing notes on a laptop or on a computer,
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studies have shown that, you know, for students that the physical act of writing embeds notes deeper into your brain. You remember them better as opposed to typing, which sort of removes that tactile
00:24:01
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process of creating words. I mean, it's now just digital, you're punching in keys. I'm curious, we were talking a little bit off air before in doing prep, Morgan, you're saying that books are just more physical, tangible, effective way to convey information. Is that similar to the note writing thing? Do you think that, I mean, given your druthers, not to, again, not to sound like grumpy old people here, but like, if you could have
00:24:28
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All the information you ever needed for grad school just put in books. Is that the way you would prefer to do it as opposed to internet? Yeah, and I'm definitely planning on taking notes in a physical form and in order to use them more effectively, I might digitize them in order to like search them. But like writing things down is definitely the way that my brain connects to things. And when it comes to books, books are more tactile, not only because of the feel, but also because it's a five senses thing.
00:24:56
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where some of the like when i open a book i'll remember the smell of the book that i read like even if it's a different completely different copy of the book i'll remember the smell of the book when i got it from the bookstore for the first time and i like and stuff like that and you can even kind of taste books well yes yes
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And yes, although it's not my habit to eat books, like I definitely know books have a taste. Because like you fall asleep on books, and then you're wrapped around. Is that how it started, Orcish?
00:25:35
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I'm going to just choose to accept Morgan's explanations at face value and not probe any deeper. And there's a sound that you get when you turn the pages. And when paper has a specific sound, whereas with a tablet or even with a Kindle, you're disengaging from that because the sound is always the same with a Kindle. It's the one click. And with books, there's variety.
00:26:03
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It's rustling how you're holding the book even so not every page you're turning is going to sound the same. Do you feel like you're the same way, Orick? Are you able to feel the same information gain or the same enjoyment, I guess, reading a Kindle or a Nook or one of those e-readers? Or is that a different experience of taking a book for you?
00:26:31
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I'm going to give you a terrible weasel answer and say kind of yes and no. I definitely think that when I'm trying to read something where I really want to engage with it at kind of the lowest level that I can go and where I really want to retain not just the information that's in the text but in the experience of reading the text that there is something qualitatively different about
00:27:00
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having a printed book as opposed to having an e-book or an audio book or something like that. But I love the fact that we live at a time where we have all these different formats available to us and it doesn't have to be one or the other. We could mix and match. I mean, one of the realities of my life is I live in a tiny little apartment here in the middle of a city and so we have very limited space.
00:27:26
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very limited physical space, very limited shelf space. And so what, you know, the books that we keep are kind of the books which are very significant to me. They're the ones that I know I've read before and I'm going to want to go back and read again that I always want to have access to the things which have personal meaning for me or things which I, you know, something in them touches something in me or it has an effect on my life. But I also love that,
00:27:56
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I have a Kindle, and I have Audible, and I have digital subscriptions to newspapers and magazines, and the ability to get access to all of that different media, too, when I want it. And I can consume it in different ways. I can read it on the train. I can listen to it when I'm walking to the office. I can't read a book when I'm walking down the street without, if you try to do that in Boston, your expected lifespan will probably be about 30 seconds tops.
00:28:24
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murdered by one of our wonderful motorists. But I can listen to a book, audio book, while I'm walking. And we don't have to pick or choose. We have access to all those different media and different ways of consuming information to the point where I'm reminded that a friend tweeted the other day a picture of himself holding a bunch of DVDs that he got from the library. And his caption was, I love this new streaming service.
00:28:55
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And it got me thinking that in a weird way, libraries were kind of like the original streaming service. Like libraries were the original Netflix. You didn't have to own all this media. You had access to this media. You didn't have to pay for it. You could check it out and consume as much of it as you wanted, as quickly as you wanted, and then it was just there. And that's weirdly the function that libraries still serve today. And so we live in an era where we have libraries and we have Netflix, and I like both of them.
00:29:23
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Well, we also live in an area to where, I mean, this is why I always get sad when we talk about like people, the fall of libraries or closing of them and not wanting to have these is that I know for a class reason, you know, a lot of the veterans that I've worked with that have either been lower income,
Libraries' Role in Access & Resources
00:29:39
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It's their way to have access to this information because they can get on a computer. So I've had people that need to apply for jobs and they don't own a computer. And that's just not something that they have. But the library is a place that they can apply for their job. They can do their resume. They can find out what's going on in the world.
00:29:57
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They don't have a lot of money. They can still watch movies, you know, like something that we all enjoy doing. You might not be able to afford a streaming service, but you can afford a library card. It's even cheaper than Netflix. It's free. Unless you're really bad at returning libraries. I don't know anyone like that in this room.
00:30:16
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I don't have a clever transition for this one. Yeah, I've been shaking in anticipation of this all day because anytime I get a chance to design a game, I am so happy. So this is the game that we, all of this was just pre-allude to bring you two on.
00:30:36
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To play a game, really. I mean, this is a game that we're going to call Duel of the Librarians. And so the way this is going to work out is I'm going to read a passage taken from the flavor text of an in-world magic book. Oh no. Is it an open book game?
00:30:56
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The joke here is I have my library EVH deck, which there could be stuff on that. I like it. We don't know. Yeah, sure. Yeah, let's say it too. Use your resources. We can say that. Use your library card. I also like the book pun. Yes, I appreciate it. That was amazing. I appreciate that. We're just going to let it go. We're talking on multiple levels, and I always enjoy that. Layers on layers.
00:31:21
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So each of you will take turns answering one of these, you know, one of these quotes. You'll have to give me the name of the in-world book, and if you can, bonus point for the set or story cycle it first appeared in. If you don't get both,
00:31:44
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Your opponent will have a chance to steal at least one of those points. Morgan won the die roll and is elected to go first. So, this is our first quote. The eerie wailing hymn caused insanity even in hardened warriors. What is the name of that book? Um, is it the book from Words of Waste? It is not the book from Words of Waste. Uh, Ork, you have a chance to steal. The eerie wailing hymn caused insanity even in hardened warriors. Oh my goodness.
00:32:14
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Uh, the eerie wailing hymn caused insanity even in hardened warriors. It's not the Book of Rass, is it? It is not the Book of Rass. Good guesses on both. Yeah, they were good votes. It is Sarpedian Empires, and I would have given it to you no matter which volume you guessed, but Sarpedian Empires, Volume 2, as depicted on hymn to Turok.
00:32:40
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Okay, Ork, it's your turn. Okay. So your quote is, the strain upon the veil between worlds began to show near the end. Strange happenings that neither side could control lashed out across blank it this would reference the world the world. And this this card is ether shockwave, which does half all spirits or half all non spirits. Is it is it Tamio's journal?
00:33:06
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It is not Tamio's journal, good guess. Morgan, you have a chance to steal. No, it's from Champion's Walk. That is a point. That is from Champion's, yep. Yeah. Is it a scroll sometimes? Ooh. It could be, it could be. Oh gosh, a scroll of, I think I own a scroll from Champion's Walk. A scroll of Asia?
00:33:34
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Good guess. It is observations of the Kami War. The history of the Kami-human conflict. Currently, after one round, we have one point for Morgan, and zero for Ork. We'll get there, we'll get there. I think Morgan may already have as many points as she needs. We're still doing it.
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All right, Ork, so this one's for you. The clouds came alive and dove to the earth. Hooves flashed among the dark army who fled before the spectacle of fury. And this is on Pegasus Charger. So originally from Urza's? Is that the, uh, is that the can't, uh, ooh, no, if it's from Urza's. Oh, is that, is that from one of the, the sarin hymns? Yes, so give it to you. Song of all, canto 211.
00:34:27
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How? I'll take it. As soon as you said can't tell him. Yeah, it's gonna be a song with the trousers. Yep, it is the sarin hymn, the song of all. Way to go. All right, Morgan. Selecting the proper beebel is the key to a good saute. The pinker the fur and the heartier the yelp, the more succulent the beebel will be when you pop it in your mouth. This is, on the card, saute. I don't know the rest of it.
00:34:58
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Yeah, we'll go that's that's good for points. It's the underworld cookbook the as more random are Dick Kay this stand that I called the car so our final score then in the first duel of librarians Morgan to now one now you guys know what your reading list is for the next
00:35:37
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not working on anything right now except for preparing for grad school, but I do want to plug a charity magic group that started in my hometown of Rochester, Minnesota that is working on branching out. It's called Weird Cards and you can find them on Twitter at Weird Cards. I believe their website is weirdcards.org and they are a
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It's literally what he did.
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group that's a magic-based non-profit. They do charitable events that go towards things like the American Red Cross. They do Girls on the Run, which is a really cool program that's in Rochester. They just donate to a bunch of different causes from the proceeds from magic events, for example.
00:36:22
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Yep, and they're actually at GB Minneapolis right now, and I think we're going to get Jason on the podcast sometime in the future. Awesome. Ork, what about you? Anything you want to plug? I'll just plug my Twitter. I'm on Twitter, at bibleo.org. I look forward to people coming on my Twitter and telling me how I should have gotten all those answers right. Everybody should really lay into me.
00:36:50
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I also wanna plug the flavor added hashtag again. That's right, yes. Please go look at hashtag flavor added and see all the awesome work that Ork does. And make your own flavor added. Hashtag flavor added, I'm gonna be following that. Hashtag flavor added. And for everybody who's out there at the GP this weekend or at the GPs in any future weekends, if you enjoy having people like cosplayers at your GPs, let them know and support them if you can.
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Well, thank you both again. And this was a blast. I had a lot of fun. Yeah. I had a lot of fun. I learned a lot. I mean, having guests is fun.
Conclusion & Community Engagement
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Yeah. Yeah. A lot less we have to do. That's our show. Thank you all for listening.
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You can find the show at Goblin Lore Pod on Twitter. You can email any questions, comments, or concerns to us at goblinlorepodcast.gmail.com.
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Morgan Wentworth can be found at MTG Valkyrie. Bibliivore Ork can be found at Bibliivore Ork. Joe Redemann can be found at Findhorn. Hobbs Q can be found at Hobbs Q. And Alex Newman can be found at Alexander Newem. Thank you all for listening. And remember, goblins, like snowflakes, are only dangerous in numbers.