Welcome Back & New Season Teaser
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Bob
We are so back, baby. e After a long hiatus, let's dive right in.
Reintroducing 'Making Waves' & Hosts
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Mackenzie Forgacs
oh Welcome back to Making Waves. Oh, it comes with great pleasure to say that, to welcome you all back after a very long break, an entire season break.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
We're back to Making Waves, an NFL confidence pool podcast with your hosts, Mac
Catch-up & Season Excitement
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Mackenzie Forgacs
How's everybody doing? It has been a while. How have you been, Bob?
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Bob
Man, it feels like there's been a lifetime lived between last Making Waves podcast and here on Thursday, September 4th, 2025.
00:01:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
Thank you.
00:01:11
Bob
There's been some life lived, but I am good and I am so happy to be back here with my best friend recording as we kick off the 2025-26 season.
00:01:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm good. Yeah, i couldn't agree more. Lots of life lived in the last year. Lots of things happened, which led to us obviously not recording Making Waves last season. But here we are. As Bob said, we back, baby. And we are so excited for what's to come.
New Show Elements & Expectations
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Mackenzie Forgacs
We've got a few switch ups for you all that we're going to get into.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
We, as usual, are going to promise time limits that we cannot stick to. And it's going to be the same old shenanigans that you guys are used to.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
So thanks for giving us a break and tuning back in. We're excited to kick off the 2025 season. nfl in
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Bob
It is going to be the best. Yeah, we will not be sticking to any time promises.
00:02:05
Bob
There will be a lot of shenanigans, as Max said. There's going to be some things we agree on, some things we disagree on, a lot of lot of catchphrases, which we are getting back into the swing. So hopefully we'll have some new catchphrases this season.
Hiatus Explained & Gratitude
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Bob
we're going to some of the...
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Hey, who knows? You always come up with something.
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Bob
Yeah, there's usually some things that pop into my ah this thing upstairs between my ears. Yeah, we'll have the the dive right in, the baby and and stuff like that. So we're already already kind of โ it feels like riding a bike.
00:02:34
Bob
The training wheels are are kind of are popping off already, and we're going get back into our groove by โ
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Absolutely. It's a rusty bike.
00:02:41
Mackenzie Forgacs
It's squeaky, but we've got some oil. We're ready to, I was gonna say ready to lube it up, but...
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Bob
Yeah, let's just loop that bike up and just ride on down. we're We're already off to a fast start here, folks. sorry you are ah Sorry to our European audience.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
We're on a great start.
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Bob
I know it's super late right now. I know we got a lot of European um listeners here. But for those for those North American listeners, happy Thursday night. um And yeah, very very nicely done with the first the first ah nice little blooper there by McKen's.
00:03:12
Bob
One to nothing, McKen's.
00:03:12
Mackenzie Forgacs
yeah yeah Yikes, yep. All right. Well, hey, we're just still getting back to the s swing of things. I'm sure there will be many more to come. But yeah.
00:03:21
Mackenzie Forgacs
Speaking of, like you said, our fans, obviously we joke, we joke about our nationwide presence, but several folks reached out to us asking us to start this back up again. So this is for y'all. Thanks for encouraging us to get back on it and at least give us an hour to shoot the shit every week and talk about football. We're excited.
00:03:43
Bob
X-rated. You just said shit. I'm
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Mackenzie Forgacs
They're all X-rated. Mark it as explicit.
00:03:48
Bob
You know what? Explicit? That's the word I was looking for. Explicit. See, we'll we'll get there. We're still lubing up the bike, so we'll get there. um im Sorry to our under-18 audience. going have to see the door at this point, but it's been fun having you for the first four minutes and one second.
00:04:04
Bob
um But yeah, Mac, you want to tell our our ah many, many viewers about the new the new outlook of this show
Hurricane Relief Efforts
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Absolutely, I do. Absolutely, I do. And just real quick before I jump into that, I did just want to give a quick, not to make it a somber note, but appreciate everyone's patience. Obviously, last year, a big hurricane came through the city of Asheville, North Carolina, that I'm sure you all have heard of.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
um I live there and that is a big reason why we ended up not doing the season last ah or not doing the podcast last season. So thank you to Bob for your patience and allowing me to handle all of that. And thank you to everybody else for, you know, obviously being patient while we got ready to get back on the bike.
00:04:51
Bob
Absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up. um Yeah. It was obviously a bummer that we didn't didn't do making waves last year, but For those that were wondering, it was for obvious ah very obviously important and life-changing reasons.
00:05:09
Bob
um So, yeah, I'm so happy that Asheville is is rebuilding and rebounding. And so happy that you and Nick are back in Asheville safe and sound. And I have since been to Asheville.
00:05:23
Bob
um And it is it's definitely on the up and up. So we're we're happy to to see that.
00:05:28
Mackenzie Forgacs
It absolutely is. It absolutely is. And this is only in this podcast, all the revenue we're going to make for this is only even further.
00:05:36
Bob
Yes. so know To those who who donate weekly and some of you even daily with hundreds and thousands and...
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Mackenzie Forgacs
I don't know that I've been seeing those those tickets come in.
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Bob
Oh, yeah. so that's actually been going straight to me.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, LLC.
00:05:51
Bob
And I have been, of course, allocating that to making waves, you know related expenses
00:05:58
Bob
LLC, we've got a lot of people behind the scenes doing the editing and doing the you know the sound stuff and the sound bites. um All of them are named Mac, um but they're obviously the ones that are โ it's strange.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
A weird coincidence.
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Bob
We like Macs on this show. um But, yeah, to those who are donating all of the the proceeds from this season, we'll be going straight to the Asheville um Hurricane Relief Fund. So, yeah.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Absolutely.
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Bob
It'll be a lot too. It'll be a lot. So we, we, we help where we can.
00:06:28
Mackenzie Forgacs
It'll be so much.
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Bob
and Oh, all jokes aside though, by my amazing co-host actually did put together uh, a, a little, uh, not, not, not, not a little, but a, a fundraiser for that cause.
00:06:38
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh my gosh.
00:06:42
Bob
And she absolutely killed it. So got to give the first shouts out of this podcast, this season to my, my co-host for absolutely killing it.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Thank Bob.
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Bob
And I'm rallying a really, really impressive, um, relief fund for obviously that amazing cause. So all jokes aside, Matt crushed it and Mac hats off to you for doing that.
00:07:01
Bob
You, uh, made a very big difference. So it's amazing.
00:07:05
Mackenzie Forgacs
Thank you, Bob. Appreciate that very much. and Appreciate that shout out. And some other shout outs are definitely in order.
Bob's New Teaching Role
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Mackenzie Forgacs
You've had some major life changes since we were last on air as well. um Part of the reason, obviously, we'll we're going to try and actually stick to our time limit is because you are a busy, busy boy.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
ah don't you tell the listeners what you've been up to?
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Bob
I am a busy, busy boy. um Yeah, wow, the light is shone right back on me here, but just trying to give you shouts out and hop right in, here I am getting ah shouts out right back. But yeah, I've been been in school for the last couple years to be a teacher, and as of, I think it's been 11 or 12 school days ago, i am now a fifth grade teacher at Daystar Academy in Chicago. So yeah, I'm um I am the the fifth grade teacher to 15 students. It was 28 last week. We're down to 15 this week.
00:07:59
Bob
um Not because they dropped out, but because the classes got split in half. That'd be a bad start.
00:08:03
Mackenzie Forgacs
in puns class anymore
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Bob
Oh, half the class is two weeks in. They're like man, this Mr. Willing guy, ah he is a ah he's a handful. So yeah, they split the classes.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Does your class realize that they're working with somebody who's like a C-list celeb or?
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Bob
They did not. um I was planning on heading in with ah my chin held high tomorrow, let them know that, yeah, Making Waves, episode one season, what is this, season three or four?
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Mackenzie Forgacs
uh three maybe technically probably four before we took the year off so season three
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Bob
right I think it's three, yeah. Episode one, season three.
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Bob
This is, see yes, the start of season three. Good call. um I'll let them and their families know that if they want to get good grades this year and they want to graduate fifth, um they're going to have to become um dedicated listeners to the making waves.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
avid listeners yeah
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Bob
So yes, that's what I've been up to. And I'm, yeah, now a teacher. So a little little different over here, but all all good stuff. So very excited about that.
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Mackenzie Forgacs
All right, love it. Well, we are so excited for you and yeah appreciate you sharing a little glimpse into what you've been up to. um but yeah, like I said, obviously we you you know we want to respect, i think I think season two, things got a little out of hand.
00:09:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
We were we were going hour and a half, two hours for some episodes. So we're definitely going to respect not only our time, but y'all's time for listening in and the people who are dedicated listening every week.
00:09:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
So we have switched up the format a little bit.
New Podcast Format Explained
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Mackenzie Forgacs
um If you'll remember back a long, long time ago, everybody reach back into those memories. The way we used to structure it is we would bounce back and forth between each game.
00:09:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
I would take a game, Bob would take a game and in terms of like who was leading. And then we would offer our two cents on that game. um Now, instead of that, what we're going to do is we're going to prioritize the games that we disagree in, in a brand new segment where we're going to go kind of head to head in our arguments of what we are thinking for the game.
00:09:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
And then from there, we will quickly run through the rest of the games that we agree on.
00:10:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
There may be some games that we disagree on confidence levels. Oftentimes, that is something that we work through together offline and just meet in the middle. So instead of spending time and then ultimately agreeing with one another, we're just going kind of run throughout through those in case anybody else is listening for any sort of confidence pools that they're working on. um That way, you at least have a baseline of what we're thinking and why we chose those individuals.
00:10:30
Bob
Man, well said. Well said, McKenz.
00:10:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
Sound good?
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Mackenzie Forgacs
All right.
00:10:36
Bob
And yeah, I mean, we we never disagree on anything anyway. So these episodes are just going to fly by. And when we say we're going to keep it quick the rest of the episode, we're going to keep it quick.
00:10:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
We're going to keep it quick.
00:10:45
Bob
Promise. Promise. Wink, wink.
00:10:48
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. and Wink, nudge, nudge.
00:10:52
Mackenzie Forgacs
Well, with that, I guess we can launch straight into the first ever segment of Drumroll, please.
00:11:00
Bob
but da la la la la la la la la la
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Mackenzie Forgacs
The face off.
00:11:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
Let me hear it, folks.
00:11:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
Let me hear it, folks. Let me hear it, folks. Let me hear it, folks.
00:11:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right.
00:11:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
Bob and I are going to head into a face off head to head. Each of us will have one minute to plead our case for why we selected the team that we selected and the confidence that we selected.
00:11:32
Mackenzie Forgacs
At the end the round, you will hear a big old boxing bell to indicate that the time is up and that you can no longer plead your case. From there, we will make a decision.
00:11:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
So with that, I think it's time to launch into the very first ever face-off. Bob,
Debate: Steelers vs Jets
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Mackenzie Forgacs
why don't you kick it off? The first game we disagree on is the Pittsburgh Steelers at the New York Jets.
00:12:00
Bob
Yes, quick quickly before you start the time, sorry
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Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, you're fine.
00:12:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
No time has started.
00:12:04
Bob
um Okay, good. sho That was a lot of pressure. With a minute, you got to take it.
00:12:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:12:10
Bob
Oh my gosh, that was a quick minute. I have a feeling that she's going to be speeding up my minutes just a little bit here, folks.
00:12:15
Mackenzie Forgacs
You can see the time too.
00:12:17
Bob
I can, but when I get into my spiel, I lose my train of thought pretty quickly. So I'm going to have to really bookmark that time.
00:12:24
Bob
um What i was going to say is, how do we know who wins the belt?
00:12:28
Mackenzie Forgacs
I mean, we're just going to have to, based on our ora argumentative skills, determine who we're going to go with for the week, I think.
00:12:36
Bob
Well, Matt, okay. That's okay. Thank you for answering that question. Question number two is how do we know who goes first?
00:12:43
Bob
Just I go first and you go first and I go first?
00:12:47
Mackenzie Forgacs
um i Yeah, that works for this this week, and then we can switch it up.
00:12:51
Bob
And then next week you can go first and we'll switch it out. Well, just...
00:12:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
We are flying by the seat of our pants, folks, so we're just going for it.
00:12:56
Bob
we really We're really flying by seat of our pants. And just a forewarning, I've been arguing with 10 and 11-year-olds on a daily. So I think my argumentative skills have gotten really, really good.
00:13:07
Bob
So we might this might be a new Bobby that everyone sees.
00:13:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
Very good point.
00:13:09
Bob
So I'm excited to ah dive right in here. Okay. So we're at 315.
00:13:13
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, are you ready?
00:13:13
Bob
three fifteen I am ready. Okay.
00:13:16
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right, go ahead.
00:13:17
Bob
Okay. Steelers Jets game number one out of three that we disagree on. I have one minute I've already used da five seconds. He's showing me on the screen. So went Steelers. I went Steelers for a couple of reasons. One, love him to death. But Justin Fields is a certain quarterback of the Jets.
00:13:33
Bob
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. And I don't think there's any reason that anybody should really trust him. He was, what team was he on last year? Justin Fields. Was he on the, he was on the Steelers.
00:13:44
Bob
He was on, so this, this could be a revenge game.
00:13:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
He was on the Steelers, yeah. With Russ.
00:13:47
Bob
Oh my gosh, I'm already at 30 seconds. haven't gotten anything. So he, this might be a revenge game for Justin Fields, but he just has really not done anything to prove himself as a starter. He's going ah up against Aaron Rodgers, which,
00:13:58
Bob
absolutely hate him. but bla But this is his last season. This is his final dance. I think that he's going to start the season with new weapons. He's got DK Metcalf.
00:14:09
Bob
TJ Watt is healthy. Tomlin is Tomlin. He never goes less than 500 in ah any season of his career. um Wow. This is tough. And I just hit a minute.
00:14:20
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right.
00:14:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. All right. So we've heard Bob's arguments. We've heard Bob's arguments. And with that, I will launch into my rebuttal. So obviously as yes, obviously you selected the Steelers.
00:14:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
So I selected the New York jets. I selected them at a low two. will be honest about that. I'm not clearly super confident in the jets for a lot of the reasons that you indicated.
00:14:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
I will start with this is a home game for the Jets right off the feet right off the bat, at home, the first game of the season. You're in front of your crowds. People are excited.
00:14:57
Mackenzie Forgacs
Also, Jets defense is a pretty solid defense, as we've seen throughout the past several years. You know, they've got Sauce Gardner. I know they lost a couple other key pieces. DJ Reed, who came to the Lions, got to give my...
00:15:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
First shout out to my team right there.
00:15:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
But I will say with that still, they are a very solid defensive unit. And against a again ah guy like Aaron Rodgers, who let's be honest, is no longer in his prime.
00:15:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
To me, defense and home field advantage are going to win out. And with that, I rest my case.
00:15:32
Bob
What the heck? How did you time that so well? How many times you practiced that today?
00:15:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
yeah Just all day.
00:15:37
Mackenzie Forgacs
Didn't work today. Just been going over and over again.
00:15:39
Bob
I knew it. She came up with these signs. And that first song you all heard before the face-off, she literally made that. da da da da da da da da da da No one's ever heard that.
00:15:49
Bob
She made that. and It's really catchy.
00:15:51
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm also a music composer.
00:15:54
Bob
Yeah, so that's what she's been doing today.
00:15:55
Mackenzie Forgacs
but Honestly, it'd be amazing if like somebody put that in like a boxing movie, like a really famous boxing movie or something.
00:16:01
Bob
I could see that really getting getting popular and hot fast.
00:16:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
I don't know.
00:16:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
You could call it Boulder or something. I don't know.
00:16:07
Bob
Yeah, or like, I don't know, Pebble, something like that.
00:16:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, something like that. That sounds good.
00:16:11
Bob
Something with city out east and running upstairs. I don't know. Something like that. So it's just something ah something to think about.
00:16:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, yeah. Hey, mi maybe maybe Pittsburgh.
00:16:18
Bob
Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania would be a great state to use that in.
00:16:19
Mackenzie Forgacs
Pretty close.
00:16:21
Bob
I think Pittsburgh would be awesome.
00:16:21
Mackenzie Forgacs
It would be. Pittsburgh would be the ticket.
00:16:24
Mackenzie Forgacs
Pittsburgh Pebbles.
00:16:24
Bob
There you Pittsburgh Pebbles. Okay. i Honestly, I think the the the fans out there listening to the big movie buffs started thinking about it.
00:16:35
Bob
Speaking into existence.
00:16:37
Mackenzie Forgacs
And this right here, folks, is why we need the one-minute bell on arguments.
00:16:41
Bob
That's why we need the bell. and That's a great transition right there to the next one.
00:16:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, so with that, real quick, though, How, what's your take? I will say I understood what you were saying about Justin Fields. I certainly do not have a ton of confidence in him.
00:16:57
Mackenzie Forgacs
What do the, my arguments, what do you have to say about any of that?
00:17:01
Bob
Yeah, so just so the the listeners, the the wave riders know, i went 12 for Steelers, so I feel really confident. It's going to be tough to to ah to nudge me on this one. And then another one we disagree on, it's going to be ah impossible to nudge me on.
00:17:13
Bob
um So going to be a little bit more gracious and and flexible, I guess, if you will, with this one and the next one especially. um i don't know. i just Justin Fields...
00:17:24
Mackenzie Forgacs
That's interesting. Cause I'm also a little more gracious on this one. So.
00:17:27
Bob
ah Well, I'll take it for sure. I'm happy to take it. I do think the Steelers are going to win just with that defense and them playing playing a lot of important games with the Jets, if not played important games in a while.
00:17:42
Bob
They've got Garrett Wilson, they've got Breeze Hall, but other than that, I'm like, what else do they even have?
00:17:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
It's true. And to your point, with TJ Watt healthy smothering Justin Fields, I could see that being a pivotal pivotal game changer.
00:17:57
Mackenzie Forgacs
So I'm okay with that.
00:17:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
I would like to request it's much lower than 12 though.
00:18:03
Bob
How about let's, one should we meet but under five? Anything we disagree on, I think it's pretty, it should be under five.
00:18:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
Under five. I agree. All right.
00:18:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
Under five sounds like a plan. So round one.
00:18:14
Bob
Round one belt goes to I'll take all.
00:18:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
To Robert!
00:18:20
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. I mean, i wouldn't say it's because of your arguing skills. It was more of just like, I was like, ah, yeah, I guess those are good points.
00:18:28
Bob
No, it feels like it was because of my arguing skills. I appreciate it.
00:18:30
Mackenzie Forgacs
Hmm. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, see.
00:18:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
um Okay. Moving right on up to the 49ers at Seahawks.
Debate: 49ers vs Seahawks
00:18:40
Mackenzie Forgacs
I will go ahead and launch into this one and start my clock.
00:18:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
So I have selected the 49ers and I have selected them at a confidence level of four for this game. I will say this game is in Seattle. I recognize that that puts already a slight disadvantage.
00:18:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
Seattle is a very hard place to play. However, This is an interdivisional game, which I feel like everybody brings their absolute all to every single time, every single situation. And in my opinion, the 49ers edge out the Seahawks in terms of their ability, their play style. They are a very good team. They still have Christian McCaffrey. They still have Brock Purdy.
00:19:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
They still have George Kittle. They have key pieces of both their offense and defense still there, right now, ready to just attack and pick up where they left off last season.
00:19:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
The Seahawks, on the other hand, have had some changes, right? They have added Cooper Cup. That's great. A little bit different of a venue. Oh, shoot. I'm at time. This is so hard.
00:19:46
Bob
All right. She wasn't able to finish, folks.
00:19:50
Mackenzie Forgacs
Clearly, I didn't practice that one.
00:19:54
Bob
think you did that as a little cloak to what you're going to be doing for the third one. So we'll see.
00:19:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, boy All right.
00:20:00
Mackenzie Forgacs
Well, with that, consistency over new team. That's something I'm gonna leave it at. And now, what?
00:20:05
Bob
is she still going? Hey, foul, foul, foul.
00:20:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
No. No foul. No foul.
00:20:08
Bob
Get her back into her corner.
00:20:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
No foul.
00:20:09
Bob
Get her into her corner.
00:20:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
We need to make these 90 seconds.
00:20:11
Bob
Get her with her coaches. Right?
00:20:15
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. Here we go for the Seattle Seahawks. and What do you got?
00:20:18
Bob
Okay, I went with the Seahawks had at a confidence level of one because first off in first off in Seattle, it's the 12th man.
00:20:25
Bob
I know my co-host has been there. I've never been there, but I know that is one of the biggest home field advantages in the NFL. Right off the jump, advantage, Seattle. ah They have Darnold as their new quarterback. They lost Geno to Vegas.
00:20:37
Bob
Darnold had 14 wins in Minnesota last year. He had a lot of success. I think he works in this system. I don't think he's going to be amazing. In LSU, he definitely struggled at the end of the season, but he won 14 games. That was the third best record in the NFL season.
00:20:51
Bob
Kenneth Walker, go green, go white. Charbonnet, that's one of the best one-two backfields in the NFL. Yes, as Mack alluded to, yes. They did lose their number one.
00:20:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
Snuck it in.
00:21:01
Bob
They did lose their number one, but they got Cooper. They've still got um Smith and Jigba from Ohio State. They've got some weapons. um And Lockett, he's going to be pretty solid for a long time.
00:21:12
Bob
49ers, they had a tough season last year. um And I just kind of think with losing Debo and a couple other guys, they might just be a little down this year. Gosh!
00:21:20
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Okay. Hey, that was pretty good. That was pretty close to one minute.
00:21:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
That was not bad at all.
00:21:25
Bob
The alluded to, i shouldn't have snickered at that. i couldve given me another two seconds.
00:21:29
Mackenzie Forgacs
You could had another millisecond in there.
00:21:29
Bob
I had to. i could have.
00:21:31
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, no, great, great, great points for sure. May I offer a brief rebuttal to the Darnold situation?
00:21:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
So obviously, yes, I agree. I mean, he had a a kind of lightning in a bottle ah season last year with the 14 wins. In my opinion, it is just that, a lightning in a bottle.
00:21:50
Mackenzie Forgacs
I don't know that you replicate his success elsewhere. He hasn't been able to do it in any other of the teams that he has been bounced around on prior to the Vikings. So that's kind of my rebuttal there.
00:22:01
Bob
This is true. And I don't even have a rebuttal. I'm saving all my rebuttals for the third game. So round number two happily goes to Mackenzie Danielle. um
00:22:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Thank you.
00:22:12
Bob
And I had Seahawks at one.
00:22:13
Bob
This was like kind of like my upset pick for the week.
00:22:16
Bob
um And, yeah, that's a great point about Darnold because, yeah, he didn't didn't really โ he kind of came in on a whim from New York. That was like a prayer for Minnesota. It worked out for them. Got a big contract because of it, but he could definitely fall back into his New York doom days.
00:22:31
Bob
And yeah, I'm good with going going nine or somewhere, five or below.
00:22:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. All right. Well, round number two goes to Mackie. Hey, hey.
00:22:42
Mackenzie Forgacs
Explicit. Explicit.
00:22:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. Do you want to do, do you want to do 90 seconds for this last one?
00:22:49
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. All right. I think that's fair.
Debate: Bears vs Vikings
00:22:51
Mackenzie Forgacs
So the last game, as I'm sure you guys can all probably guess that we disagree on is a certain somebody chose a team from Chicago and a certain somebody did not.
00:23:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
So we're going to, it's very interesting.
00:23:06
Mackenzie Forgacs
You get to kick this one off, Bob, and let me know, take a deep breath. Cause I know this is a big one for you. And why don't you let me know when you're ready.
00:23:17
Bob
First off, I absolutely gasped out of disbelief and disgust when I saw that my... Supposed best friend and co-host went against my squad Monday night with this new look offense. Anyways, I just wasted 12 seconds.
00:23:30
Bob
um I mean, two words, Ben Johnson. Two more words, Caleb Williams. Two more words, the Bears. We are at home. We've got a new look offense.
00:23:42
Bob
DeAndre Swift, Luther Burden, who we just drafted. Everyone's talking about Romo Dune Day being the new breakout wide receiver a year two. We still got DJ Moore. We've still got Cole Comet.
00:23:53
Bob
We just drafted Colston Loveland. Ever heard of him? University of Michigan. He's a stud. Top 10.
00:23:58
Bob
We got it. Hey, we got to get back in the corner.
00:24:01
Bob
We got an offensive line. New, improved, full of ex-Pro Bowlers, current Pro Bowlers. The defense, it was sturdy as hell last year. It's going to be sturdy as hell this year.
00:24:12
Bob
Back to Ben Johnson. Ever heard of him? New coach, new kid on the block. He's got everything. He's got the whole kit and caboodle in his playbook, and he is going to unleash Caleb from being a average to above average quarterback in year one to being a freaking stud. I think he's to throw for 4,000 yards.
00:24:32
Bob
Be the first Chicago Bear to do that ever. And you know what the final tipper of the scale is? Ya boy, Robert Willen is going to be in the house Monday night.
00:24:42
Bob
Shout out Sean for my free ticket. And I will make sure I'm not leaving until we get a win. Yes. Yes. Right hook. Left hook. Right hook. Matt.
00:24:54
Mackenzie Forgacs
Uppercut!
00:24:56
Bob
On the mat. One, two, three.
00:24:58
Mackenzie Forgacs
On the mat. No, I'm up. I'm up and I'm ready.
00:25:01
Bob
you even need to go? you even need to go?
00:25:02
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm up and I'm ready.
00:25:03
Bob
Okay, let's see that timer.
00:25:03
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah. Oh, I need to go. I need to go. Okay. All right.
00:25:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
Here's the timer. I know this is hard because I'm having to hold the timer. I can't get as animated as you.
00:25:11
Bob
Sorry. My phone is charging. My charge is funny. I'm robots.
00:25:15
Mackenzie Forgacs
My charge is phoning.
00:25:19
Mackenzie Forgacs
My charge is phoning.
00:25:21
Bob
this. This is going to be rich.
00:25:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, you ready?
00:25:27
Mackenzie Forgacs
Here we go. Okay, great points. Ben Johnson, phenomenal dude.
00:25:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
Miss him like hell. I wish so deeply he could have stayed with us until we got that first Super Bowl ring as a Lions fan, but now he is the enemy.
00:25:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
And so I have to identify some weaknesses. First, head coaches that make their debut, struggle to get a win in the very first game.
00:25:56
Mackenzie Forgacs
Why? Because it's a brand new offense. Their players are all getting used to their style of play. Yes, I will give you this. Ben Johnson has seen the Vikings up defense up close and personal several, several times.
00:26:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
So that is a benefit for him. However, this is a brand new offense, a brand new playbook, a a bland brand new scheme for this offense. It's going to be difficult to execute that from week one.
00:26:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
Do I think that the Bears overall their trajectory in life is going upward? Yes, I will give you that. Right now, this first season, I do not think they will be there yet.
00:26:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
I also would just like to add, I think it could be very common misconception to think that, oh, well, it's a brand new head coach, and they might not get a win, and J.J. McCarthy, a brand new quarterback, he might not get a win.
00:26:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
What I would say there as my argument against that, he was injured last year. He had all last year to get used to the playbook. He's ready to play. He's fired up, and he's going to get a win the Soldier Field, Monday night.
00:26:59
Bob
Ding, ding, ding. Hey, that was two after seconds. Foul.
00:27:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
For me to say Monday night.
00:27:08
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm also managing the clock and the soundboard, so you got to give me a second.
00:27:13
Bob
No, I will not, especially when it comes to ripping my boys. I will not take it.
00:27:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm not, I didn't rip your voice. I didn't rip them all, actually.
00:27:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
fact, I gave them compliments.
00:27:24
Bob
Yeah, I didn't want it.
00:27:24
Mackenzie Forgacs
I said that long term, I think their trajectory is on the up and up. I don't think that happens overnight, though.
00:27:30
Mackenzie Forgacs
I mean, if you look at history of statistics and everything, that's not going to happen overnight.
00:27:37
Bob
Statistics for fish sticks. We're winning on Monday night.
00:27:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
fresh <unk> Actually, here's a juicy nugget for you. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. average, I was looking into this a little bit earlier today. On average, a team with a brand new head coach,
00:27:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
increases your win percentage by on average two games. So what was your record last year?
00:27:59
Bob
That's neither here nor there.
00:28:01
Mackenzie Forgacs
Well, I'm just curious. Can you remind the folks?
00:28:04
Bob
i don't know. We won a couple games here, a couple games there, or something like that.
00:28:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Well, On it, if you look on average statistically, head coaches improve the overall season by about two games. So you may get two more wins this year.
00:28:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
You may get a little more. You may get a little less. But i think I don't think it's going to be this like all of a sudden you're winning all the games.
00:28:27
Bob
But you know who's not average? Ben Johnson. You know who's not average? Caleb Williams.
00:28:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
Caleb Williams was a little average last year.
00:28:35
Bob
If no one fan base is not average, the Chicago Bears. We don't give a damn about the statistics.
00:28:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, man.
00:28:42
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, fine.
00:28:43
Mackenzie Forgacs
How about this statistic? How many Bears games have you been to that they've won?
00:28:48
Bob
A couple here and there.
00:28:50
Mackenzie Forgacs
And how many have you been to that they've lost?
00:28:52
Bob
A couple more. A couple more here.
00:28:55
Mackenzie Forgacs
Which one outweighs the other?
00:28:58
Bob
um me and my dad had an unbelievable stretch in middle school and high school. um Since I've been in Chicago, it's been pretty, pretty piss poor. um I'd say, unfortunately, probably a little of the latter, but you know what? There's time to, there's time to grow.
00:29:13
Mackenzie Forgacs
There is, there's time to grow. There's time to grow.
00:29:15
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm just saying, let's look at, you know, recent experience and let's slowly build.
00:29:21
Bob
the Building starts Monday night. I know yeah rome wasnt Rome wasn't built in a day.
00:29:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh God.
00:29:26
Bob
the Chicago Bears team built in four months. And I i um i will die. i will literally die on this mat fighting for the Bears.
00:29:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
but Okay. How about this then?
00:29:36
Bob
And these fifth graders will not have a teacher tomorrow. I will die talking about this.
00:29:40
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Well, how about this then? This is a starting point for the bears to prove some things to me heading into making the making wave season if the bears lose on Monday night, then.
00:29:54
Mackenzie Forgacs
we We have to take a little bit of the Bobby rose colored glasses off of the bears for the rest of the season.
00:30:02
Bob
No, no, fine, fine. five If you let me do the bears this game and they lose, not happening, and not happening.
00:30:12
Bob
Then I will give you three, three Trump cards to use all season for those Uker fans.
00:30:22
Bob
Um, to say, nope, here's one of my three. We're not going with the Bears to use this season.
00:30:29
Mackenzie Forgacs
How about five?
00:30:30
Bob
And I have to meet. Let's meet in the middle. We'll do four.
00:30:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
We're going to just on the Bears probably every week this year.
00:30:38
Bob
um I care about making waves more than I care about a lot of things.
00:30:43
Mackenzie Forgacs
Mm-hmm.
00:30:43
Bob
And i I like to think I i make my picks with integrity. There's a little bit of rose-colored or orange and blue-colored glasses.
00:30:55
Bob
But I'll give you four.
00:30:55
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. All
00:30:58
Mackenzie Forgacs
right. Four trump cards.
00:30:58
Bob
Round three goes to Bobby. Yes.
00:31:03
Bob
Okay. That's a good deal.
00:31:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
There's a lot on the game Monday night. You better make it happen.
00:31:08
Bob
There's a lot on the line. What would you like me to put the Bears as?
00:31:12
Mackenzie Forgacs
I mean, still definitely low if possible. you had them at what? Two.
00:31:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
That sounds fair.
00:31:19
Bob
that You had Vikings at five. So five plus two equals seven. So seven on the Bears.
00:31:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
No, no, no, no, no.
00:31:25
Bob
Is that how it works?
00:31:26
Mackenzie Forgacs
And I will go to your two.
00:31:28
Bob
You know what? Okay. That's ah that's fair.
00:31:31
Mackenzie Forgacs
Perfect.
00:31:31
Bob
We'll do two. And here we are in 30 minutes, three games in.
00:31:32
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right.
00:31:35
Bob
Uh-oh, folks. We're back at it. But you know what? I just thought of this on the spot. We're really pants on the ankle-ing this. First of the year. Yes. um We'll call this the lightning round for this time.
00:31:48
Bob
These next games, I think we can do all games definitely less than a minute.
00:31:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, totally. I think they're going be very fast for sure. So I'm not worried about us only being at three, 30 minutes in because we're, we agreed on all the rest.
00:32:01
Mackenzie Forgacs
So we just need to talk about why we chose them. So with that, I think we launch back into our typical format that everybody's used to.
00:32:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
We're going to go back and forth.
00:32:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
I will take Thursday night and then Bob will take the next game and then so on and so forth and moving forward all the way through. As we've already alluded to, we agree on these.
00:32:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
We just don't necessarily agree on the exact confidence. So we'll talk about that very briefly.
00:32:28
Mackenzie Forgacs
But first up, tonight in less than an hour,
00:32:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yes, this is being recorded on Thursday night.
Analysis: Eagles vs Cowboys
00:32:36
Mackenzie Forgacs
We will potentially shift dates in future weeks. But for this week, which still before the NFL season has kicked off, I am freaking pumped that the NFL starts tonight in less than an hour.
00:32:49
Mackenzie Forgacs
the Dallas Cowboys are going to be taking on the Philadelphia Eagles. We both agree that the Philadelphia Eagles will take this win. A couple of reasons why it is in Philadelphia.
00:33:02
Mackenzie Forgacs
The Philadelphia Eagles are the reigning Super Bowl champs and not even just a reigning Super Bowl champs, reigning absolute spanking on the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl champs.
00:33:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
It was not even a contest at as many of you probably saw in the Super Bowl last year. So they are still looking very much the same, very much intact. The Philadelphia Eagles, I anticipate to pick up right where they left off last year.
00:33:29
Mackenzie Forgacs
The Cowboys, on the other hand, have taken a beating. Micah Parsons was just traded away, unfortunately, to both Bob and I's absolute arch nemesis, the Green Bay Tigers.
00:33:40
Mackenzie Forgacs
So without that huge key defensive player that is able to disrupt games and offenses, I just don't see a stop for Saquon Barkley. I don't see a stop for Jalen Hurts.
00:33:52
Mackenzie Forgacs
I got Eagles at 11 here in this game. or I'm sorry, 16 in this game and Bob had them for 11. So this is my most confident game.
00:34:01
Bob
I like it. I like it a lot. i I think double digits for sure. They're going protect their Super Bowl tonight at home, and they're gonna it's going to be bloodbath. gonna be a blood ba
00:34:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
perhaps so lee So moving right on up Friday of this week, actually, we also have a game. So we have a game tonight. We have a game tomorrow night. We have games all day Sunday.
00:34:23
Mackenzie Forgacs
We have a game Monday night. And all the partners out there, the life partners, the girlfriends, the boyfriends, the wives, the husbands that don't like football and they have a partner that does, I'm sorry to you because football is launching and and we've got a lot of football coming up ahead.
00:34:40
Bob
Sorry, not sorry. Sorry, Nick. Actually, sorry about that. But sorry to everybody. It's football season, baby. Six months of fun.
00:34:47
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, wait, real quick. There was this video on Instagram and people may have seen it, but essentially ah girl was, it was a video and she's a comedian and she came in and the boyfriend's sitting on the couch drinking a beer, that football starting. And she looks around and she goes, it can't be football season. It's still summer out, which that's kind of Nick's been saying that a lot because she's so excited for football.
00:35:12
Bob
i you know Knowing Nick, i she doesn't like many things more than football.
00:35:12
Mackenzie Forgacs
Clearly.
00:35:16
Bob
So I know she can't wait for tonight and tomorrow and Sunday and Monday and many months beyond.
00:35:17
Mackenzie Forgacs
Exactly.
00:35:24
Mackenzie Forgacs
Maybe summer out, but football's here.
00:35:26
Bob
And it's not summer out here. 60 degrees today, crisp, fall football.
00:35:31
Mackenzie Forgacs
Football. So Friday, Chris Ball football Friday, we have the Kansas City Chiefs playing the Los Angeles Chargers, but it is not in LA.
00:35:41
Mackenzie Forgacs
is in Brazil on Friday.
00:35:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
So what got, Bob? I'm,
00:35:46
Bob
This is Brazil. but Brazil. yeah're supposed to do it back. Brazil.
00:35:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
There's it.
00:35:55
Bob
Nice. um Watch how quick I can do this. Yep. Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, a recently engaged man. i know Tay's going to be there. um Yeah, I mean, the Chiefs of the Chiefs. They're always going to Chief.
00:36:11
Bob
Chargers just have an inferiority complex with the Chiefs for some reason. Chargers are good. They got Harbaugh. They got Herbert. um Yeah, I mean, I think they're going to have a good offensive season, but they always seem to crumble.
00:36:24
Bob
Under the bright lights against Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco, Rasheed Rice, obviously Travis Kelsey. And the Chiefs, all they did was just load up in the offseason.
00:36:35
Bob
Defensive pieces. They didn't lose any major pieces on offense at all. And they were just in the Super Bowl six months ago. They didn't show up, but they were there. So I got the Chiefs for sure.
00:36:46
Bob
And it's just it's business as usual as long as Mahomes is under center. So I'm very confident. I remember what I put this at. um I got,
00:36:54
Mackenzie Forgacs
You have Chiefs at seven and I have them at 11. Perfecto.
00:36:57
Bob
there we go. You're even more confident than me. I would be more than happy to go nine, 10, 11 on that. I got the chiefs big time in breath.
00:37:06
Mackenzie Forgacs
perfecto Moving into the Sunday 1 o'clock slate of games. First up, we have the Tampa Bay Bucs at the Atlanta Falcons. And both Bob and I chose the Bucs in this one.
00:37:20
Mackenzie Forgacs
Bob chose them for eight. I chose them for six. Reason being is because the Falcons are still working through just kind of who they're going to really be able to rely on in terms of QB. Obviously, you'll remember Kirk Cousins started last season. It switched over in the middle.
00:37:38
Mackenzie Forgacs
We're trying to figure out really what this offense is actually going to look like as a core unit. And tappa Bay Bucs, on the other hand, have been doing pretty solid ever since Baker Mayfield took over under center. I mean, obviously they were good before that too with Tom Brady, but he's been doing a good job. He's been pretty consistent game manager for them.
00:37:58
Mackenzie Forgacs
Still got Mike Evans, still got Chris Godwin, I believe. Is that correct?
00:38:02
Bob
They do. Yep. Still got Godwin.
00:38:03
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yep. Yep. still Still the same core unit. And yeah, I anticipate that they will be one of those teams that kind of can mess things up a little bit this season, similar to past years.
00:38:16
Mackenzie Forgacs
I don't know that they're going all the way Super Bowl or anything like that, but I think they're a team that's going to sneak out wins and be able to be really tough against a lot of these teams. And Atlanta, I don't know, is going to have a rebuttal for that.
00:38:27
Mackenzie Forgacs
So we got Bucs at one o'clock and we'd be cruising.
00:38:30
Bob
Love it. We're cruising. Look at us, this lightning round. Look at the new making waves.
00:38:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
ah Lightning round. Moving into the next game at 1 o'clock, we got the Cincinnati Bengals at the Cleveland Browns. What you got?
00:38:42
Bob
Yeah, um I don't think there's much to look forward to as as ah the Browns are heading into another long fall and winter. Their new pick, Judkins, he's got a lot of legal things going on, so I don't think he's going to be seeing much of the field, understandably and rightfully so.
00:38:58
Bob
um Honestly, I don't even know who the Browns quarterback's going be. It might be Joe Flacco. No, I think Joe Flacco.
00:39:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
English, Jofflin.
00:39:05
Bob
Yeah, i think it's Joe Flacco. They've got Njoku, and they've got a couple okay pieces, but I don't care if this game's on the moon. Joe Burrow and the Bengals ended hotter and stronger than any team. They missed the playoffs, but I think they won like six or seven games in a row.
00:39:19
Bob
Jamar Chase got a big deal. Chase Brown's healthy. Joe Burrow is probably hungry as any quarterback and then some heading into the season after missing the playoffs. And their defense actually looks like it's going be a lot better. So I got the Bengals and I feel pretty, pretty good about that.
00:39:36
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. I like it. Yeah, absolutely. I could not agree more. You're spot on. Also, it is Joe Flacco. They've got a couple backups, obviously, Shador Sanders with some of his stuff that they've talked about.
00:39:48
Mackenzie Forgacs
I think he's third. And then they've got Gabriel, I believe, is their second.
00:39:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
Stranger isn't
00:39:53
Bob
I forgot about him. Okay, that's quite the QB trio. Sheesh.
00:39:57
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, interesting QB room for sure. So we'll see what shakes out there in Cleveland. But I agree, Cincinnati is going to take that. So moving right along, we have the Miami Dolphins at Indianapolis Colts.
00:40:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
I mean, this kind of a similar situation we're seeing for a lot of these teams. They're trying to figure out their quarterback situation. The Colts have Daniel Jones leading the charge, which, sorry, Eli, not the best quarterback that want to trust my franchise with.
00:40:26
Mackenzie Forgacs
So I'm not sure that I have a lot of confidence in the Colts until they really figure some of that stuff out. We're seeing a trend here in a lot of the NFL and nfl with this kind of QB carousel where They're just trying to get situated and and find them new homes and look for that next lightning in a bottle like Sam Darnold was and don't know that it's going to exist out there, especially this Sunday against a Miami team who is looking still pretty intact with their key weapons.
00:40:55
Mackenzie Forgacs
So I have the Dolphins and I pick them at eight and you put them at nine. So very, very close.
00:41:02
Bob
Look at us, almost ding ding ding, first of the year. Hopefully we have one tonight.
00:41:05
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, man. Almost. We haven't had one yet, and I actually don't think we have one exact spot on.
00:41:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
But that's okay.
00:41:12
Mackenzie Forgacs
That's okay. We have a lot that we agree, at least on the team.
00:41:17
Mackenzie Forgacs
Another one that we agree on next up is the Las Vegas Raiders at โ oh, not the Las Vegas Raiders.
00:41:23
Bob
Oh, was just saying, what are we doing?
00:41:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm sorry. It's not the Las Vegas Raiders. It's the Las Vegas Raiders. Yeah.
00:41:31
Bob
The fans have been begging for that.
00:41:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
at the New England Patriots.
00:41:39
Bob
Yeah. um Unfortunately for the Raiders fans, it's going to be another long, long, long winter in Las Vegas. um Yeah.
00:41:51
Bob
So and they didn't have much. They got Geno. They've got a solid-ish backfield. They got, what's his name? The new running back, O'Darrius.
00:41:59
Mackenzie Forgacs
They got Ashton Gentty.
00:42:01
Bob
Jenty, that too it is. I'm thinking another team. Yeah, they got Jenty.
00:42:03
Mackenzie Forgacs
Which that's huge, for sure, going to be a huge running asset.
00:42:07
Bob
Most exciting rookie, I'd say, coming into this class at the NFL. So people are very pumped about Jenty. And, you know, I mean, that could be exciting. Um, You know, like some some exciting switch-ups in Vegas. But, yeah, Patriots are a team that a lot of people expect to make ah some serious jumps. Drake May had a pretty impressive rookie season.
00:42:26
Bob
ah They got Travion Henderson from Ohio State as a running back. They just brought in Stephon Diggs, a little bit of a prima donna, but they got him.
00:42:34
Bob
um So now he's got some weapons to throw to. And yeah, I mean, they ended the season pretty strong. So I think the Patriots being in New England against a team with a lot of new pieces, Gentry's first game, Geno's first with the Raiders.
00:42:47
Bob
I feel pretty damn confident that the the Bill Belichick-less Patriots take care of business at home this Sunday.
00:42:56
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Love it. That sounds great. So next up is
00:43:01
Mackenzie Forgacs
We have the Cardinals at the Saints this weekend, also at 1 o'clock. ah Bob and I both chose the Cardinals for fairly high. Bob has them at 13. I have them at 12.
00:43:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
Reason being, again, I feel like I'm kind of repeating myself here and just sounding like ah a broken record a bit. The Saints lost Derek Carr. He retired in the offseason.
00:43:26
Mackenzie Forgacs
He is no longer there.
00:43:27
Mackenzie Forgacs
They have Spencer Rattler.
00:43:30
Mackenzie Forgacs
Rattler, i don't know exactly how pronounce him.
00:43:32
Bob
That's a rattler, yep.
00:43:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
is their quarterback. He has been named as their starting quarterback for Sunday. He has not had much success in the NFL. He has come in and sub when Carr was hurt a couple times last season.
00:43:48
Mackenzie Forgacs
And honestly, just not a lot of success in the in the big lights, if you will. I don't foresee him being the starting quarterback for the entire season. I could definitely potentially see Tyler Shuck, I believe is how pronounce the last name. They just drafted him this past NFL draft, potentially moving his way up the depth chart as he gets to know the playbook.
00:44:13
Mackenzie Forgacs
All that to say, Rattler is not going to be the the ticket. He's not going to be the guy that they're looking to to get them these wins. Cardinals, on the other hand, still have the speed with Kyler Murray.
00:44:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
They still have James Conner, who did an incredible job making a splash last year, especially in fantasy.
00:44:32
Mackenzie Forgacs
had a really good fantasy year last year. This isn't in New Orleans, but regardless, I think the Cardinals take this one home.
00:44:40
Bob
Yep, spot on. Love it.
00:44:43
Mackenzie Forgacs
Bingo, bango, bongo. So next up, we have the New York Giants. Shouts out Eli at I'm sorry that you have to take on the Washington Commanders.
00:44:54
Bob
Ooh, sorry, Eli. Yikes. Yoinks. ah Yeah, this was one of my easier picks when I was going through it.
00:45:02
Mackenzie Forgacs
ah Yeah.
00:45:02
Bob
i'm actually I'm actually putting in our picks into the website as we speak right because I'm a little worried that we're going to get to that time. So um I don't even really need to put my brain power into this one. Man, I'm really digging it into Eli and twisting it here.
00:45:15
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, sorry.
00:45:16
Bob
Geez, someone protect this guy. ah I do think the Giants are going to be better this year, but this isn't about the Giants. It's eli Not everything's about the Giants. This is about the Commanders. The team that, unfortunately, is the last team that Mac's team played.
00:45:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
That hurts!
00:45:41
Bob
Mac just took a straight bullet. She's minding her own business.
00:45:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, geez, I'm just looking at the next game for crying out loud.
00:45:47
Bob
Geez, he's hitting sprays. Poor Eli's out in Breckenridge, minding no business. He's getting shot with a with a that freaking rifle from across the country, unbeknownst to him.
00:45:57
Bob
um Yeah, this was pretty black and white to me. Commanders, I think, are going to be a Super Bowl contender. Jaden Daniels is only going to get better. They got Debo Samuel. um They just res re-signed McLaurin for a big deal. They got a couple running backs by committee, and that defense, and under Dan Quinn, that's a special team. I think they're going to be Just as good, if not as good, um or if not better than the Eagles. I got the Commanders by, yeah, by a significant amount.
00:46:24
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you had them at 14. had them at 15. Sorry, Eli, but I do not see them regressing.
00:46:33
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. Next up, we have the Carolina Panthers at the Jacksonville Jaguars. This was also a pretty easy one, in my opinion, double digits for me. um I have the Jags at 10. You have them at 6.
00:46:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
six Reason being, first and foremost, Carolina, not strong. now
00:46:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
not ah Not really making a splash. Unfortunately, they obviously had their number one pick a few years back. And unfortunately, I think kind of wasted it.
00:47:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
Hate to say that. You could have gotten CJ Stroud.
00:47:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
Just saying. um
00:47:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
Not looking good for them. Not looking good for them. They also have quite a few of their starters that are either doubtful or questionable. Kind of dealing with injuries already before the season is beginning. Not something you want to see heading into game number one.
00:47:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
Also a game on the road. This is in Jacksonville. No contest for me. Jacksonville takes this one home 10 of 10 times. Moving on.
00:47:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
Say less. We have Tennessee Titans at Denver Broncos.
00:47:40
Bob
Yeah. I think the Broncos are going to be another sneaky team. Titans.
00:47:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
I agree.
00:47:46
Bob
Titans. Sorry, Nashville. Sorry, Broadway. I honestly think the Titans might be the worst team in the NFL. And that is saying a lot. um I don't need
00:47:56
Bob
Is it Levis? Is it โ well, i know i I guess they just picked a Ward in the draft, but I don't think people really expect too much of him, even as a number one pick. He's kind like the least flashy number one pick in recent memory. And the heck is he going to throw to? He's got Pollard as his number one running back.
00:48:10
Bob
Not super impressive.
00:48:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
They do have Calvin Ridley. They do have Tyler Lockett.
00:48:14
Bob
You're like, ah dumb, dumb. They've got him and him.
00:48:16
Mackenzie Forgacs
No, not them, them, not them, them at all, but they do have a couple of players, but yeah, we'll see.
00:48:21
Mackenzie Forgacs
I mean, we'll see what, how cam Ward does. Sorry. This is your game.
00:48:25
Bob
No, it's okay. No offense to miss Mrs. Ridley. And um who was the other one you said? I already forgot.
00:48:32
Mackenzie Forgacs
Tyler Lockett.
00:48:33
Bob
No, sorry about that, Ms. Lockett. Your sweet boy, is he's been good for a long time. um But this ain't his rodeo. We might be in Nashville, but this ain't no rodeo. um Yeah, I think they're going to lose by a lot. I think they're going to be doing a lot of losing in Nashville this year. Yeah.
00:48:51
Bob
Yeah, I think they're the the Broncos. Also, in fantasy, number one defense in fantasy this year is the Broncos. That, on the other side of one of the worst ah offenses in the league, I think this game's going to get ugly.
00:49:05
Bob
Bo Nix, Cortland Sutton.
00:49:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
That's a brand new quarterback, first debut.
00:49:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
Totally.
00:49:11
Bob
It's going to get ugly. i got I got Broncos double digits easy.
00:49:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yep, you have them at 16. This is your most confident game.
00:49:19
Mackenzie Forgacs
Whoa, and I have them at 14. So very, very close.
00:49:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
Zoinks.
00:49:24
Bob
hey du b Wait, what's that song from the from the Super Bowl? Bing bop, boom bop, bing bop, bang.
00:49:29
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, yeah.
00:49:30
Bob
I'm going to give it to another say.
00:49:32
Mackenzie Forgacs
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly the words.
00:49:34
Bob
That's a word? Heck yeah. Kedla Kamar, baby. Oh. Interesting.
00:49:38
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, I'm excited. I've been waiting for this game all day. Oh, and also, sorry, a Tennessee game in the Denver Broncos.
00:49:47
Mackenzie Forgacs
That kicked off our four o'clock slate of games. So, um but here we go. The moment we all been waiting for, folks. I'm already wearing the jersey. I'm f freaking ready.
00:49:55
Bob
She is. and What else is new?
00:49:57
Mackenzie Forgacs
We have my Detroit Lions taking on... it and The Green Bay Packers. Sorry that I struggled. Struggled to get that out there.
00:50:10
Bob
huh People are like, oh my gosh, making waves just literally gags whole time.
00:50:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
Hopefully nobody gets
00:50:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm super pumped, obviously. i know what everybody's saying that we're going to take a step back because we lost Ben Johnson. I hear you. I can be a ah big person and admit that ah we probably will not to have the same flash that we did have with Ben Johnson.
00:50:36
Mackenzie Forgacs
He's a very creative mind. I'm very jealous that he went to the Bears, clearly. However, I do not think we're going to all of a sudden plummet. We have all of our guys still, if not more, because we have Aiden Hutchinson, who's coming in healthy. Hell yeah.
00:50:52
Mackenzie Forgacs
Can't wait to see that.
00:50:53
Mackenzie Forgacs
We've got some new defenders on our team that are ready to play.
00:50:58
Mackenzie Forgacs
As we mentioned earlier, I snuck it in there. We got Reed from the New York Jets, a very viable defender. um Yeah, we've just got we've got some good folks on all lines.
00:51:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
We did lose some players, and we did lose our coach, obviously, in the offseason. I do not think everything goes out the window. I still think we're going to be a very solid team. I'm excited to see us continue to propel forward.
00:51:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
Green Bay, on the other hand, is a formidable opponent. I must admit, they are very formidable. This is in Green Bay. That doesn't really matter to us in the past. We've beat them a couple times there the past few seasons.
00:51:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
However, I understand that it's a different type of game when you're playing in Green Bay. Playing outside, they did just pick up Micah Parsons. Either way, I'm going with my boys. I did keep it a very reasonable low number of three.
00:51:51
Mackenzie Forgacs
You selected them also at three. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:51:57
Bob
anding name Look at that person here, baby.
00:51:58
Mackenzie Forgacs
Go Lions.
00:52:00
Mackenzie Forgacs
Booyah.
00:52:01
Bob
is that Is that special or is that special?
00:52:03
Mackenzie Forgacs
That's pretty special. I'm happy about that.
00:52:07
Mackenzie Forgacs
But yeah, all of it to say we're still sell a solid team. We're going to come out freaking fierce. We got hurt at the end of last season.
00:52:16
Mackenzie Forgacs
We got our hearts ripped out, and we're ready to now tear this league apart.
00:52:21
Bob
You know what? I'm excited that you're excited. um I'm just going to leave it at that. And i can I can wholeheartedly say I will be with you ah cheering in spirit this weekend.
00:52:32
Bob
um I don't know about other weekends. No promises. Wink, wink. But I will be with you in spirit this weekend, and I can give my best friend that.
00:52:41
Bob
um I got you this weekend.
00:52:42
Mackenzie Forgacs
All right. Thanks, Bob. on
00:52:46
Mackenzie Forgacs
Also, yeah, please.
00:52:46
Bob
Oh, sorry. I just have a ah hot off the press.
00:52:51
Mackenzie Forgacs
Hat off the press.
00:52:51
Bob
I'm here doing all this football stuff just because like we're at seven. We're down at 25 minutes. I need to make sure we're in. ah Hot off the freaking press on my sleeper app, it just said, Christian McCaffrey popped up on the 49ers practice report with a calf issue.
00:53:10
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, no.
00:53:11
Bob
man. um Somebody get Nick because is going to lose her shiz.
00:53:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
He is going to lose her ever-loving mind. oh boy.
00:53:21
Bob
We don't know how serious it is, but that's that's not a good sign, folks, because that's what they said last year, and he didn't play a single game until the second half of the season.
00:53:28
Mackenzie Forgacs
hey that's making ways breaking news for you.
00:53:31
Bob
Hey, happy to do it. Sorry sorry to take your ah your spotlight there. I had to say something.
00:53:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, no, my spotlight is over. However, I do realize that we made a bit of a mistake because this next game, I'm looking back at our notes and we disagree on this game.
00:53:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
It is the Houston Texans at Los Angeles Rams.
00:53:49
Bob
Oh, do you think the Texans are going to win?
00:53:52
Mackenzie Forgacs
I do think the Texans are going to win.
00:53:54
Mackenzie Forgacs
You do not?
00:53:56
Bob
No, absolutely not. You you think they're going to beat the Rams, your boy? The Rams who made playoffs year?
00:54:03
Bob
The Texans who did not?
00:54:05
Mackenzie Forgacs
The Rams, who Matthew Stafford is may or maybe maybe or maybe not playing.
00:54:10
Bob
So, more breaking news. It said he is expected to play. I saw that earlier.
00:54:14
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, so he is expected to play. However, he's clearly dealing with a very serious back injury. And
00:54:19
Bob
Yeah, but he's tough as nails, right?
00:54:22
Mackenzie Forgacs
we're talking about, you do realize we're talking about the CJ Stroud Texans of several, like the past several years, right?
00:54:32
Bob
um i did realize that, but I just want to make sure that you realize that we're talking about your boy Matthew Stafford, recent Super Bowl champion, and they recently added Devontae Adams with Puka Nakua and Kyron Williams. what what what What is going on here?
00:54:47
Mackenzie Forgacs
True, but the Texans recently added Nick Chubb. They still have Nico Collins. They have a very solid offense and defense. They Will Anderson Jr. on defense. They have Danielle Hunter on defense.
00:55:01
Bob
This is one that we need to take offline, I think, because we we weren't prepared for this. And this is this is tough. i I feel pretty confident in Sean McVay and the boys. Sounds like you feel pretty confident in ah in Stroud and Co.
00:55:13
Mackenzie Forgacs
I feel very confident in Stroud & Co.
00:55:13
Bob
and And I know you don't want to go down 3-1 in rounds. And I definitely love to take a 3-1 lead. So maybe we'll have to...
00:55:21
Mackenzie Forgacs
And the unfortunate part here is we both put them not that, I mean, I put the Texans at seven and you put the Rams at five.
00:55:30
Bob
Hmm. Five plus seven is 12. So we're going to Rams at 12. I don't know if I feel comfortable with that.
00:55:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
Weird how the math works out.
00:55:37
Bob
Yeah, the math is nothing.
00:55:37
Mackenzie Forgacs
Well, well, I apologize, folks. We're still getting our ah sea legs under us with all these bumpy waves here, but um it's wavy.
00:55:46
Bob
It's wavy. It's wavy.
00:55:48
Mackenzie Forgacs
It is wavy, folks. And I, Yeah, we'll have to take this one offline because I am pretty confident in the Texans.
00:55:55
Bob
Shoot, and this is โ we must be hitting some some sort of hurricane because I'm pretty confident in the rims.
00:56:00
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh, boy.
00:56:01
Bob
Oh, boys. Oh, oh, I said, oh, boys. Oh, boy.
00:56:05
Bob
and so so Something's never changing here, Mac and Bob, just going at it head-to-head. We love to see it. This is what we've been missing, folks. I know that you're pumped.
00:56:16
Bob
Where the heck did that come from?
00:56:18
Mackenzie Forgacs
I just added one more for everybody.
00:56:18
Bob
That was perfect timing. That was perfect timing.
00:56:20
Mackenzie Forgacs
ah Okay, well, I guess we will chat about this more, but there's my little bit of an argument. There's your little bit of an argument, and we'll move into the last game that we do agree on, which is the Baltimore Ravens at Buffalo Bills. This is a tough one, and this is a low one, but tell us all, Bob, why are we choosing the Bills?
00:56:41
Bob
I'm thinking the Bills because this is a this is a rematch of the AFC Divisional last year, which Mark Andrews inexplicably dropped that pass, and Josh Allen and co. were able to move on to the AFC Championship just to lose to Patrick Mahomes again.
00:56:56
Mackenzie Forgacs
Mm-mm-mm-mm.
00:56:56
Bob
But, I mean, in my opinion, this is the two best quarterbacks in the league, fantasy-wise. um It's that the the deciding factor for me. in a pretty toss-up game, first toss-up of the year, um is that it's in but it's in Buffalo. And can you imagine what it's going to be like tailgating with Bill's Mafia, jumping on tables, setting fires, Sunday night football, nice brisk evening in Buffalo, New York? I mean, I'm sorry.
00:57:22
Bob
Josh Allen recently engaged. James Cook just got paid. I mean, the ah vibes are so high in Buffalo. I think this is their year. You heard it here. First, September 4th, 7.
00:57:35
Bob
PM central standard time. Bills are making the super bowl this year. I don't think it's Lamar yet.
00:57:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
Whoa. whoa
00:57:41
Bob
I think it's Josh Allen's time. They're starting off on a strong foot. Ravens have a lot. They have a great offense. They flowers. They always have yourself, Mark Andrews. They always have a good running game with Lamar.
00:57:55
Bob
Dobbins. They got a solid defense, but this is this is Josh's year, and I got the Bills.
00:58:01
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay, wow. The very first Super Bowl prediction and talking about talking about the Bills. i I agree with a lot of what you said. I have to think a little bit more about my Super Bowl predictions, but yeah.
00:58:14
Bob
Yeah, you don't have to give it to me now, but something I would love for you to give me and all of the fans is the first ad of the 2025 season.
00:58:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
Oh my gosh. I completely forgot that we did that.
00:58:32
Bob
First time you were doing transitions from Friday to the Sunday games. I was like, she's about to hit me with it right now. I've had this in my back pocket.
00:58:37
Mackenzie Forgacs
Holy crap.
00:58:39
Mackenzie Forgacs
I cannot believe that we did it.
00:58:43
Bob
She's looking around, she's scanning the room frantically.
00:58:44
Mackenzie Forgacs
I'm literally standing in the room right now trying to figure out what to do. Okay. The first episode... ah Making waves 2025, 2026.
00:58:56
Mackenzie Forgacs
ah five six I'm for time.
00:59:00
Mackenzie Forgacs
Season brought to you by American Express. Wow, we are we are really stepping it up this year, folks.
00:59:09
Bob
Y'all are balling over there.
00:59:09
Mackenzie Forgacs
American Express is sponsoring us.
00:59:10
Bob
She must have an American Express.
00:59:12
Mackenzie Forgacs
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00:59:47
Mackenzie Forgacs
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Mackenzie Forgacs
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01:00:03
Bob
Why did it just keep going?
01:00:05
Mackenzie Forgacs
don't know!
01:00:06
Mackenzie Forgacs
Why didn't I just stop?
01:00:08
Bob
It just kept going. Very good. I also like how all of your ads, it's been a long time. That was good. I needed that. it It was a long day at school. That was a good giggle. um All of your ads always start the same way with the same monotone. ah Wow.
01:00:25
Mackenzie Forgacs
It's because I'm trying to figure out where to go with it.
01:00:25
Bob
That was. It's always like one or two lines where I'm like, oh, she that's nice. And then to keep up like, oh, there's another verse.
01:00:34
Mackenzie Forgacs
Wow. Wow.
01:00:35
Mackenzie Forgacs
Okay. Wow.
01:00:36
Mackenzie Forgacs
I cannot believe I forgot that. Thank you for bringing that tradition back into this season, Bob.
01:00:42
Mackenzie Forgacs
Love it. And well, this just, this just in, we have time for one more ad.
01:00:47
Bob
Oh, is this is this is it kosher back-to-back ads to end the the first episode of the year?
01:00:48
Mackenzie Forgacs
Point it away, Bob.
01:00:52
Mackenzie Forgacs
This is, It has to be this is the closing This is the closing ad too, so make it good.
01:00:54
Bob
Hmm. Wow. that was That was unexpected. I thought I got you and now you got me. um Great. This second and first ever back-to-back ad,
01:01:08
Bob
of the 2025-26 NFL season is brought to you by Gatorade Zero.
01:01:11
Mackenzie Forgacs
He's scanning. He's scanning, folks.
01:01:17
Bob
but but but but gade Gatorade, You think it's full of sugar, but it's zero. Gatorade, Gatorade.
01:01:30
Bob
Don't worry, there's no sugar. There's only sodium. It's going to get you back to 100%. you're ready to run again. a Gatorade Zero.
01:01:41
Bob
Good for sports, good for exercise, and good for getting you back to where you need to be. Thanks, Gatorade. Gosh. hi
01:01:55
Bob
Gosh, i didn't know where I was going with that.
01:01:56
Mackenzie Forgacs
ah It's okay. I loved it. I loved it. Man, these are good. These are great
01:02:00
Bob
Man, Gatorade Zero to American Express. We we're
01:02:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
are great.
01:02:06
Mackenzie Forgacs
We really balled out in our offseason here.
01:02:08
Bob
we we really did. Gatorade, American Express. Something's never changed with making waves. And boy, oh boy, Mac, I don't know about you, but it feels right being back on air with my best friend.
01:02:16
Mackenzie Forgacs
It does.
01:02:17
Bob
And it's going to be a good season.
01:02:17
Mackenzie Forgacs
i don't i don't know what we did without all these ads for the last year because these give me some good laughs.
01:02:24
Bob
we're We are so back and I couldn't be more happy about that fact.
01:02:27
Mackenzie Forgacs
We absolutely are. um Oh my gosh. Well, thank y'all. That's a wrap for the first episode back and thank y'all for tuning in. Thanks for bearing with us. Thanks for rejoining us. If you're new to the making waves family, um welcome wave rider. And yeah, thanks for tuning in.
01:02:45
Mackenzie Forgacs
We'll see y'all next week. Won't we Bob?
01:02:47
Bob
We are going to see you next week. Peace.
01:03:04
Mackenzie Forgacs
Go lines.