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Young Justice Season 4 Part (Ep 1-6)
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Zuhair and returning guest Andrew Rogers tackle the first 6 episodes of Young Justice: Phantoms! FINALLY!
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Introduction and Season 4 Excitement
00:00:02
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On this episode of Animation Deliberation, we finally, finally, finally get this year's coverage of Young Justice Season 4. Phantoms. I'm very excited. My guest is very excited. We will talk to you right after these ads. We have no control over.
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Recap of Previous Seasons
00:01:03
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We know you know the words. It's animation, deliberation, a conversation and a celebration of a favorite action animated series. Yeah.
00:01:17
Speaker
All right, welcome back, everybody. Hopefully you have had plenty of time to listen to all of our coverage of Young Justice from season one to three. We are finally here to talk about season four. This is the show where we take action animation seriously, but not too seriously.
00:01:34
Speaker
I am very excited. My guest is very excited. Andrew Rogers, how are you doing today? I am doing fantastic. Young Justice is back.
Character Returns and Story Focus
00:01:42
Speaker
I have been waiting along with all of you as fans out there and now I'm here to talk about it with everyone. We're up to date. It's finally happening. It's real and it's so emotional and great and I love everything about it.
00:01:55
Speaker
We're super bummed that Jay Scottie couldn't be here, but he's with Steel on the javelin right now investigating on some, uh, peculiar apocalypse conundrums. That's the right word. So we'll hear from him soon, but for now let's talk about episodes one through six. You want to start with the opening credits? I do.
00:02:20
Speaker
You know what? Let's go through a five-star review. We'll talk about some opening credits, and then we will read an email. How does that sound? That sounds fantastic. I feel like a professional would actually plan this stuff out beforehand, but here we are. All right, so we have a five-star review from Nooney and Soong.
00:02:37
Speaker
Uh, to time really an entertaining show, but the best cartoon shows around. Thanks for putting the time into making this for us. Lots of fun. Appreciate you leaving that five star of you. Appreciate you enjoying. Uh, we'd love to hear some feedback too. So if anybody has stuff to say, animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com.
Initial Thoughts on Season 4
00:02:57
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All right. Non-spoiler thoughts. Give yourself like 30 seconds to a minute. Go.
00:03:06
Speaker
So I love this season from the start. We're back to our kind of homegrown roots. Our original bunch of characters are back on screen. We're caring about their stories. This is a character driven show. And that's exactly what they're giving us. Everyone that we love is kind of back in the saddle. It's action. It's emotion. And it's just, again, everything that I want it to be both beautiful and nuanced and just
Critiques and Improvements from Season 3
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Speaker
French kiss, as we like to say around here. I can't say too much without getting into the spoiler-y-ness of it. Well, your 30 seconds is up, so don't stress it. Okay, perfect. Easy. Thank you. I'm done. I will see you all next week.
00:03:51
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Yeah, I agree with that episode one kind of gave us like a baseline of what to go off of and then just bam It was just heavy-hitting emotions actions comedy all of it right off the bat It's everything we love about the show the graphics have gotten better the animation styles got better the story is strongest ever everybody we love is in there and We have like 20 some episodes to go and I'm excited to talk about all of them
00:04:16
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Yeah, and I try not to be too negative, but the reason that I say the characters we love are back. I wasn't the biggest fan of season three because they kind of pushed our main characters off to the side. And I think they're changing that for season four by bringing us most of our original six back to the main forefront here.
Listener Feedback and Character Arcs
00:04:38
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Somebody else who has a lot of thoughts on this show is TJ Stafford, who has been writing into the SP chat quite a bit. If anybody wants to talk to us directly, straighten a pan of chat on Facebook. It's probably the easiest way to get a direct response out of us, but if you want us to talk about stuff on the podcast and we highly recommend the email. But we got a bit of a lengthy email from TJ, so we're going to go through that just to kind of get
00:05:07
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an overarching idea of some of the stuff that happens and then we're going to kind of break down the story as I work with you. That works for me. Let's hear what TJ has to say. All right.
00:05:17
Speaker
My last few posts about the show on the SP Chat didn't really generate much discussion, so I figured I'll just send my feedback right to you guys. I'm growing to appreciate how they are setting up this season. It looks like each of the OG team members are getting their own arcs, and they are supported by other members of the team. Wasn't sure how I'd like that at first, because I love how the originals interact with each other, but it's growing on me.
00:05:40
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The only through line seems to be Beast Boy. Obviously, Connor's death on top of the other trauma the show has touched on already is really starting to weigh him down. Whatever happened with Perdita obviously has something to do with it as well.
00:05:55
Speaker
There has been a lot of emphasis in the last two seasons on Artemis's degree in literature. I like that they are starting to sprinkle that into her flashbacks now, and even having her quote that episode's book in the end credits. I'm also curious to learn more about Artemis's boyfriend. The show never introduces anyone that isn't important at some point.
00:06:17
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I know you guys had a lot of questions about Orphan last season, and I'm glad we got some answers. I'm a bit familiar with the character from comics, but I wasn't sure enough to comment on it.
Favorite Villains Discussion
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But she eventually replaces Barbara as Batgirl I believe.
00:06:32
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Where do you guys stand on Onyx versus Cassandra? My knee-jerk reaction is to lean towards Onyx just because she just seems like she fits in with the team more. But maybe that's why she's a good mole? Hard to say, but I hope they resolve it soon. I think that's all I have for this one. Hope to hear you guys thought soon. TJ Stadfer. P.S. Black Spider is my favorite villain in the series.
00:07:01
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I definitely, I mean, I was texting you like while I was watching this last couple of episodes as soon as it kills. I said Spider-Man's back. Spider-Man's back. My response was exactly, you know, DC giving us more Spider-Man than Marvel will at this time. So. Yeah. You all wanted multiverse stuff with Spider-Man. Here's another variant that just hopped into DC as a villain. Go get your Spider-Man, watch the show.
00:07:27
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Is this Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire, or Andrew Garfield who plays this one? I think one of the biggest things off of this that we should talk about is the fact that it's being split up into arcs, which is really fascinating. As a lover of anime, I do like that it can be sectioned off. Like if you ever wanted to rewatch something, like you can pick, like, so for Nardo, for example, you'd be like, I just feel like watching the tuning exams. I just feel like watching the Sasuke capture arc. I just feel like watching the Great War, like,
00:07:54
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You don't have to go off season in this. You can pick a particular storyline and just have that moment with those episodes and kind of, you know, talk. It's like mini movies. And because I hadn't watched so long, I do appreciate that the first four episodes being arc one, I got to kind of binge that little movie together and now I'm like halfway through the other movie. So how do you feel about the arc so far?
Arc-driven Narrative and Comparisons
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I agree. I really like the arcs. There's plenty of other shows that do stuff like that. Star Wars, the Clone Wars is one that comes to my mind of I loved watching the miniature arcs like that. It always is interesting when you have to watch it on a weekly basis, because you never know when the movie is going to kind of come to a head. So it makes it a little bit more interesting because we didn't know that arcs were happening until this first arc ended. And then we went into episode five and
00:08:47
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It obviously had an effect on this next arc, but it wasn't at the forefront anymore. So it's good and bad. The only bad that I can think of is I'm still currently in denial of everything that is happening.
00:09:02
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So that might just be a little bit of a, we'll come back to this later for me to actually properly process what's going on. But I really like the way that they have the setup for ARCs because it's, like you said, it's a good story that you can just sit down, chunk through at any given time. And I think it's going to make it a bit more fluid of a show because of that.
00:09:24
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Because up until now, it was a very episodic show, but all the stuff did meld together really well, like everything was connected in some way or another, but this seems easier to track. It's easier to kind of get an overall idea of what's happening, especially because we have so many characters, we have so many stories, we have so many
00:09:45
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scenarios that we can now bounce back off. They don't need to build as much. They can work off of what we as watchers already know.
00:09:56
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Yeah and if you look at it season one probably would have given you that first episode where you have the fake out of the John Jones death and then giving you whiplash and sent you over to Cheshire and now we don't have to do that instead you don't see what happens in one big chunk as opposed to jumping around and then having to remember all of these through lines at the end
00:10:18
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It kind of gives, I know we're going to have an overarching story because they still left so many cliffhangers out there, but it will be a little bit easier to process, I think, for all of us.
Opening Scene and Nostalgia
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And it kind of makes it feel more like a comic book. Like that was a good little comic run of, hey, what happened on Mars? And then, oh, we're going to talk about the Earth story now while all the stuff is still waiting to come to a head in the back. Yeah, I think those are super crucial points. So before we break down arc one,
00:10:47
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Opening scene, opening music. J. Scottie messaged me saying that this is the best one yet.
00:10:56
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I was like, how dare you say that the first one will always be the best. And he was right, because it's the same music just amped up a little more. Yeah. So, J. Scott, you were right. That is the best. I was squealing like a child when it started up and they had the pop ups of all of our original characters and I was like,
00:11:17
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Ah, this looks so good. I love it. And especially like the minute details in there, like it has all of their codes when they go into the Zeta tubes, but like it actually cycles through the codes too, depending on when they were on the team, when they were justice leaguers. And then like with Artemis and Tigris, like you see the name change. Um, I saw like a couple of them had another number in there. I'm assuming that's their age.
00:11:43
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Cause like Rocket had a 26, Nightwing had a 27, somebody else had a 25, so I feel like that's how old they are. I believe if I've been keeping up with all of the Zeta Tube numbers, that's just their number in whatever team they're on. So like, Batman is
00:12:02
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whatever zero one, because he's the first member of the Justice League, Superman is zero two. And then if you jump over the team, Aqualad is one, Robin was two, Kid Flash was three. But there's another number after that. But I think that means that he's finally cycled over to the Justice League. So he's the 23rd member of the Justice League and Rocket is the 28th member of whatever team it is that they're on now.
00:12:27
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I think that's what it's corresponding to. I could be wrong. I tried to pay attention, but I agree with you. I was very, uh...
00:12:35
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Excited at what was going on and there's so much So yeah, I'm watching it every time because that's one of those openers. You just don't skip even if you're binging episodes and Yeah, because they would have openers ever they would have their code numbers and then there would be a number in the 20s underneath but like Miss Marcia and Superboy didn't have it because I think once like 10 years old and the others like 110 Cradle robber am I right?
00:13:01
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So that's why because they put specifically the 20s for those particular characters I feel like that's supposed to be their their age that could be it I can't remember because I know I did the math the other day because I just wanted to see how close my age was to night wings, but um
Superman and Relatability
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You could very well be correct. I'm going to have to pay more attention to that. But part of the reason I wanted to bring this up is we have our original five members in there. Rest in peace, Kid Flash. He's our sixth. But then we also have Zatanna and Rocket.
00:13:36
Speaker
Does that mean we're going to get an arc for each of them? We think that they're going to be, you know, more important because I'm Lord have mercy. I know you are both down for as a ton of arc, but I'm just curious. Is this 100% happening?
00:13:54
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Oh, it's still my heart. Like as soon as her thing came up at all, I was like, hello, my love. Yeah, obviously, this is an audio form. So none of you can see us. But Zuhair and I are both very red in the face right this moment. This is how we became friends. And for a brown man, that says a lot. Yeah, I, I absolutely love the opener. You can't skip it. It's so good.
00:14:21
Speaker
No, it's it really gave me everything that I wanted to. It was very nostalgic almost in a way. Yeah. Um, how do you feel about the closers?
00:14:32
Speaker
I absolutely love them. They took the closers from season three, wherein we got to just watch Wolf sleep. And instead we got, I know the first one was watching Wolf sleep, but you got to listen to Dinah counseling Halo. And there was some character development in there, some really interesting stuff that was said about her, her relationship with Breon and her relationship with her previous life as Gabrielle or Gabriella. Um, I think it's Gabrielle Gabrielle.
00:15:01
Speaker
Just that first one was like, okay, we're doing something different here This is really interesting and they've given us emotion. They've given us things to do The third episode I have written in bold and my notes is the best thing that the show has ever done Because that outro in the third episode was hilarious What was remind me real quick what the second one was I
Character Development and Social Issues
00:15:23
Speaker
Let's see, it was wolf talking or it was wolf asleep. The second one was. Let's see. Oh, it was he's going listening to the voicemail from Perdita. Yeah. Begging the question, were they together? Are they not together?
00:15:40
Speaker
So let's just, let's burn through those real quick. The first one was very heavy. Um, it was Canary talking to Halo about, you know, what issues she's having. We talked about Brion. Um, the Islam conversation kind of like made me perk up a little bit. Cause I was like, where are you going with this? Uh, I just, I don't know. I don't know how to, I didn't know how to, I guess I was just worried.
00:16:05
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And I think that's just a tendency of like, people within this culture of just kind of like, where's this going, please don't mess it up. So she was talking about like how Gabrielle was a Muslim, so she wore her hijab. So she was like, I know I'm a different person, but I feel like this is a connection that I respect, which is why I wear it. So I was like, okay, that's as far as they went with it. But that, that bit of dialogue was just interesting to me.
00:16:33
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Yeah, I thought it was interesting and I was really excited to hear whatever your thoughts were going to be on that matter. Yeah, because I know they're trying to.
00:16:42
Speaker
They're trying to tackle social issues without it taking away from the show, and except for the Lex Luthor moment last season, which I think is a political issue, not a social issue, which is why I'm not going to touch on it. I think they've been doing a pretty good job at being inclusive and talking about social issues and stuff.
00:17:03
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And in making it part of the story and being an important part of the story that it just doesn't divert away But there's an attention being brought to it So the fact that they went heavy on actually like addressing what her religion was in her perspective on it was It was nice Yeah, I agree. They've done a really good job with this show of talking about issues in a poignant matter that doesn't take away from anything it matters to the story because this is just What is happening?
00:17:32
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Yeah. So going on to the second one is Beast Boy going through his phone, looking at images of him and his team and in the back is a voicemail from Perdita, his girlfriend, which it sounds like they're still together, right?
00:17:47
Speaker
I don't know.
Speculations on Relationships
00:17:49
Speaker
There's the line that is something along the lines of like, you know, I miss you and I missed you before all of this. So like stay safe. So I don't know if that meant they broke up, but she missed him and now she's missing him more because they're on Mars. I'm not totally sure. I will say just judging from his angst in the sixth episode, I would say they probably broke up.
00:18:13
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Because he shut the TV off before she could come on and say anything that felt very like I can't face her right this moment Kind of thing. I took it as They were still together But they don't see much of each other because he's dealing with the outsiders and she's dealing with the border issues. I
00:18:34
Speaker
Cause she even says like, I wish it was my dad that had to do this and I miss you in this and that. So I feel like it's just like, because of their responsibilities as well-known people around the world, like they just haven't had time for each other, which has been, uh, stressful. Yeah. Um, I think it's just going to keep coming up for sure. And I think that's part of why I haven't dwelled on it. As we've said, this show does a really good job of setting things up for a reason. It feels like Gar's.
00:19:03
Speaker
mental state is going to be a through line of this show and Perdita is going to be very important to that, especially with the issues going on with her country and Breon's country that I can't remember the name of. Is that Bialia? Markovia. Markovia. I can't remember her country's name though. That might be Bialia?
00:19:33
Speaker
No, Bialia is queen bee, isn't it? I thought she was correct. Oh, made up. No, Bialia is queen bee. You are correct. I promise we're usually more professional than this and have this all. I don't know why you keep calling me professional. Oh, I think I am. Sure. I like it.
00:19:59
Speaker
It's spelled V-L-A-T-A-V-A. Vlatva. Vlatva. I think like when you say it fast, it just sounds like Vlatva. Vlatva.
00:20:08
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So anyways, people from Markovia, the non-metas are running away to Blatva and she's having issues because she's the queen trying to figure out the refugee case and who's actually trying to run away because they're scared and who may have other intents.
00:20:31
Speaker
Again, social issues around the world, they're trying to slide it into the story. We'll see where it goes. Next up is by far our favorite, I think that's kind of agreed on, is Superman just chilling in the grass in the watchtower, looking down at Earth with his boots off. Like the speed is his boots and the tree is like off to the side. You see him just like.
00:20:52
Speaker
His legs are crossed. He's leaning against the trees on the phone with Lois. I was like, oh, this is so adorable. I've said it plenty of times before. This is my favorite Superman ever. Easily. Easily. And it's stuff like this, like him having weaknesses and humanizing him and limitations and issues. It's like.
00:21:10
Speaker
Why is it so hard to do Superman? Like, you nailed it in Young Justice. Like, you used this as a template of a perfect Superman. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I love Henry Cavilla's Superman, but he doesn't bring enough of the goofy farm boy energy that Superman needs to have. And this was exactly him being like, I swear, I'm not at the watchtower to avoid diaper duty. I just have my feet kicked up and I'm watching the Earth. That's not a problem.
00:21:37
Speaker
Yeah, I'm looking at you right now. I love that he mentioned Iris too, because they were talking about like anti-gravity poop. He was like, oh yeah, Iris said that this wouldn't be an issue or that wouldn't be an issue. It's like, that's cool. I really loved that episode last season where all the moms were together with all the babies. Yeah, very meta thing. You guys covered that episode the week that this one came out and you guys couldn't remember whether or not Lois was pregnant. And the whole time I was sitting there like, well, no, she's not pregnant anymore.
00:22:08
Speaker
that's fantastic it was a it was a fun time to be a listener of the show because that was going on but yeah what was this what was the son's name oh we are asking all the fantastic questions did they say it yeah they definitely said it john john kent oh that sounds right oh probably nate well no is this debt i don't know i actually don't know if his dad's dead in this universe
00:22:36
Speaker
That's the cool part about DC is you never know what it's gonna be it yeah could be that it could be not I got really scared for a brief moment in season three when we talked about having a pregnant Lois That that could have gone very differently depending on what DC universe you're in. Oh, yeah And it made me nervous too because it was supposed to be like this goofy end credits but then he's like are the eyes red are the eyes red Lois and
00:23:04
Speaker
Where are you? Cyborg, I need a boom tube now. Boom! And then we didn't get the resolution either, which was... That's why I was like... Is she... Like, was this meant to be goofy the whole time? Because I'm very uncomfortable right now.
00:23:19
Speaker
I mean, it couldn't have been that bad. He did come back and go to Mars with John. So I don't think he would be leaving if things went to Arai. I think it was still meant to be our goofy one, especially because that leads into episode four. So yeah, I don't. Do you even want to talk about that post credit scene? Or credit scene rather for episode four? Um.
00:23:47
Speaker
It was sad. No, those relate to the story more. They weren't offset, so we'll go into that. OK. So yeah, that's it for the openers. That's it for all the feedback that I see. If I missed it, I apologize. I'll definitely get on the next episode. If you didn't send any, you should, because I love hearing from you guys. And it doesn't even have to be typed up. You can send a voice message on your phone. Just do a voicemail, email it to us, animationdeliverationpodcastatgmail.com. We will happily play it.
00:24:17
Speaker
Um, yeah, it's conversation. It's really nice to know what you guys are thinking. Let's get into arc one, uh, disclaimer. There is a lot of Mars language. I'm not going to try to say any of it because then I'm going to be thinking about the pronunciation too much. So we have white Martians, green Martians, they live on Mars. There's the red Martians was, I guess, his royalty. And then there's like the priest Martians. So.
Emotional Journeys and Martian Culture
00:24:48
Speaker
We good with that? Yeah, we're good with that. Yeah, I have all the Martian written in my notes. I was ready to go. You can say it all you want. I'll catch up as I go. I might be the only one that I would like to just propose. Every time that I have to censor myself from saying a swear word, I'm just going to say my all now, because they were throwing that one in all over the place. And I started looking it up.
00:25:13
Speaker
they specifically have not defined what maul means but it's always like something bad happens and they're like what the mall was that and you're like okay so we're just gonna start subbing this in everywhere aren't we and they use it through the entirety of the arc so is that's what was graffitied on the wall or was that worse and that was that was worse that was uh that was intended to be far worse of any add that to my sailor dictionary then yeah i mean if you can read the martian text be my guest
00:25:43
Speaker
Space Force, where you at? Yeah, this was a this was a heavy arc. There was a lot of investigative work going on. I loved all the dialogue. You've worked with Dick. I've worked with Tim. We can figure this out. We're partially detectives. I'm going to go right off the bat and say baseball was really, really, really annoying. Like I was genuinely irritated with him. He was a snobby preteen the whole trip.
00:26:11
Speaker
Oh, for sure. They did that intentionally. They wanted to let us know he was going through some things. He was missing some friends. He was missing some people. And that's kind of how people get. And just like good friends, you have to put up with it and do what you can, but also acknowledge the signs of, hey, maybe something's wrong. Maybe we need to talk to Garfield and see what's going on inside that cute little dragon head of his.
00:26:38
Speaker
I know, but even things like them being on the boat ride like to their wedding ceremony and he always had like the snarky stuff to say or like the way he was sitting on the back of the boat until the little bat dolphins came up. I feel like we're talking about Avatar again with like combo animals. Yeah, combo animals. Um, yeah, he just he really like I get what they were going for. But him as a person like Superboy should have backhanded him at some point.
00:27:08
Speaker
Oh, for sure. Personally, I've never loved Beast Boy for that reason. In almost all of his iterations, they tend to make him a very snarky, cocky teenager. And that's why I see it as fitting for the character. But I agree, it was really annoying. However, I think this was a really good opportunity for them to show the character growth of Superboy. You look back at him in season one, he was a brash, brute, breakthrough everything. Now he is
00:27:36
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he's dad now he is calm collected hey you know let's let's talk this out let's see what else we can do let's let's be sneaky let's not get people's hopes up whereas he would have gone in guns blazing to anything in season one so they at least used it to their advantage to show the awesome character growth that they've had out of sb so
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah, they did that a lot with him and Brian's relationship in the last season and just kind of emphasize that more here. And I want to clarify, like, I don't think it was poor writing that Beast Boy was that way. I think he did a really good job at the character and portraying that emotion to just make me dislike him. Like if he was like, if I was there in that situation, I'd be very irritated with that person. It wasn't like, man, why they write him that way? Like it was very good writing, very good emotion, very good conveying of those emotions.
00:28:24
Speaker
it was just to the point where it's like, if I was in that situation, like, I would have been pissed off at him. Oh, for sure. The wedding stuff, the ritual stuff, all that was pretty cool. Especially when they were building the arch and it was like, we're gonna see like the reflections of ourselves and like our bond as a family and this and that. So for the arch to actually collapse because the sisters were going at each other, like really emphasize those points that they were going for. Because it was like, why do we need made up Martian
00:28:50
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culture, right? Like, why does this need to be dragged out so much? But it really, really did help build the dynamic of this family and these characters that I imagine we're going to be seeing more of in the future. Oh, yeah. I mean, there was that amazing line of her sister getting her her sister, Emory, getting upset with her and saying, you know, all this happened, why didn't you defend me? I was just a kid.
00:29:16
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And her thinking back to herself at the beginning of that episode saying to her brother when he said, why didn't you take me with you? I was just a kid. It was just this poignant like, yeah, we all do different things as a family, but we still need to come together at the end of the day. And then mirroring it in all of the actions that they were taking was awesome. And then.
00:29:38
Speaker
I think those allowed for some of the most beautiful scenes in Young Justice as well. The fact that they had painted backgrounds for all of the wedding stuff, that cave, where they were doing the crystals, where they were getting all of the lava, that was hand painted in the background of all of those. It felt like they pulled it from a comic book. And I was smitten as per usual with our fantastic animation.
00:30:02
Speaker
You know, I actually was thinking about that when I was watching today too, about how like, the animation style actually is very simple. It's extraordinary. And there's a lot to it, but they are very simple. And I think they use a lot of the creative stuff to put into the background, like you just mentioned, when they're in space, when they're in volcanoes, when they're in the ship, like there's so much beautiful, like brushstroke related stuff in the background, which really stands out. It looks stunning.
00:30:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I have a couple of notes of points where it was like, oh, the lighting was really good. But the characters are still just pencil drawn, marked in with easy shading, dark on one side, light on the other. They let the characters do all of the acting and speaking for themselves as opposed to the animation, but then just put it in the background. There was one really awesome thing, I don't know if you picked up on it, that they were doing during this arc, however.
00:30:59
Speaker
In that first episode, they had the scene where Connor looked at McGahn and said, hey, private channel.
Animation Style and Voice Acting
00:31:05
Speaker
And they kind of went one on one with each other.
00:31:08
Speaker
Did you notice that they faded all of the background and blurred that? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. They gave it a shallow jump to feel that everything was blurred except for them. They did it once at the beginning and then it was a constant thing throughout the arc that, like, whenever everything out blurred out, it's like you knew it was a private connection between them. Yes, the fact that the connection did that. I geeked on that. That was so cool. Yes, yes. It was... I don't think they've done anything quite like that before of trusting the audience so much, but...
00:31:36
Speaker
Okay, so I just did a deep dive and Okay, so I don't I don't look at people's voice actors outside of the show, right? I'm enveloped a scar is the one who does all that but I want you about to bring up the sister No, I'm about to bring up the dad. Oh, okay, cuz I was gonna ask if you I'll ask after go ahead. No, no, so I watched a lot of CW Supergirl
00:32:04
Speaker
And John Jones's dad shows up in that. And he's voiced by Carl Lumley. And the whole time I was watching McGahn's dad, when he spoke, I was like, it sounds like the exact same dude. I just googled it. It's the exact same dude. Should you tell everyone in the audience where they probably know Carl Lumley from?
00:32:32
Speaker
Is Carl Lumley not who played Isaiah Bradley in Falcon and the Winter Soldier? Or am I looking at the wrong Carl Lumley? Nope, that's him. Yeah. And now that you say that, it just has that familiar tone and everything else.
00:32:52
Speaker
I thought that's where you were leading when you were saying that. That's awesome to have. I was surprised at the fact that I recognized him of being another Martian in another CW or another DC Universe. That's what I love about DC is they keep a lot of their voice actors and actresses very close together. And they just work on all these different projects, whether it be live action or regular. And it just brings a familiarity to it that I really, really enjoy.
00:33:17
Speaker
I mean, hell, they brought Kevin Conroy as Batman in CW. Yes, that was an awesome touch. So I'll also bring up while we're on the topic of voice actors, did you recognize the sister of Emory? It didn't stand out to me. So she is voiced by Hinden Walsh, who is the voice of Princess Bubblegum in Adventure Time, but also more famously known as Starfire in Teen Titans.
00:33:46
Speaker
Oh, that's awesome. So the minute I heard the voice, I was like, I know this. And then as soon as I saw Starfire, it was like, yep, this clicks entirely. And you just couldn't get away from her sister is just voiced by Starfire. And it's an awesome familiarity. And again, I love that they bring these people back.
00:34:02
Speaker
I'm going to add to that when Beast Boy was having his trip in the last season and they had the Doom Patrol go instead of Teen Titans and they had the original Teen Titans voice actors. The girl who voiced Starfire was voicing Rita in the Doom Patrol.
00:34:18
Speaker
And she was supposed to be Rita, or she looked like Rita throughout this whole episode. It's all connected. Guys, like, I know I can't talk to like live action MCU watchers, but it's like, if you want story building and universe building, like this is it. I mean, it doesn't get any better animated than this. No, it doesn't. Zuhair and I were talking about this off air.
00:34:45
Speaker
that, like, this show just has the continuity. If you want something that is just amazing storytelling and continuity, this is it. They know how to put one thread three seasons later and tug on it until the rug unravels, and it's just all connected. And I love it. We've gotten so far off track, but I don't care because we're gushing, and I love it. I think we did a good job at all the wedding stuff. Yeah, that's it. Well, going into the continuity and circling background.
00:35:15
Speaker
Uh, so lighting stuff's good. We got the whole family thing down. Um, her brother's a douche. That is getting stuff from Desaude, and I did not expect the Apocalypse arc to have some overhangs into this season.
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah, I wasn't expecting like any apocalypse stuff to come in as quick as it did Mars related stuff cuz like earth doesn't even have any connection with Mars and of all of a sudden like the sod does and I get that The brother was on new Genesis and stuff like that So there already was that interaction with new gods and stuff of that sort but it was intriguing that he was working with him to the point of building a device that could kill all the green Martians and anybody with like
00:35:59
Speaker
Hybrid green Martian genetics was like wow. Yeah Wow
00:36:07
Speaker
No, I just I didn't know what to think and I saw a decide and just like this doesn't fit. No, we're talking about Mars. We're having a wedding. We don't do bad things here. Yeah. For like for the brother to just be like, hey, I don't know about hybrid, so this might hurt you, but it's definitely going to kill all the green Martians. And he just took it. He was like, all right, fuck you, mom. But it might have also hurt himself because he's technically a hybrid as well.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, he was aware of that, but the fact that he like he just happily was just like, I'll kill my mom off. She's green. Why not? Yeah, I like, damn, like you should have been brain blasted more as a child. Seriously, it.
00:36:47
Speaker
And I get it, like, you know, again, did a really good job at explaining like how bad it was for them, like being white Martians growing up.
Martian Family Dynamics
00:36:56
Speaker
And I think when she came to her, she was like 90 some years old. So it's not like she was dealing with it for like a short period of time. Like, yeah, that was them as being kids. It's a long time to be a kid and deal with all that, especially when you can't hide your emotions. Like,
00:37:10
Speaker
You know, one of the things is bullying is like, don't show them that you're afraid, right? Like, if you bored them enough, then they won't want to pick on you. But like, when they can get in your head and know that you're faking it, it's like, we can still pick on them. Like the level of, like, I know there's a lot of like, history related stuff that they're putting into this, but it's just insane to how they explained it and how they portrayed all that stuff.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yeah, and they did a good job of finally showing us what it was really like by showing us the lower end of town where all the White Martians were living. We heard about it, but seeing it was something else. But it did lead to the incredibly moving scene of her mom finally saying, I accept you for who you are because when you shifted into your quote unquote original form, it wasn't you anymore.
00:38:00
Speaker
Meghan not McGahn is the real you that was just an awesome way to kind of bring it full circle and say you know It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be different, but you be you
00:38:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of experience of that with like, immigrants and stuff too, where it's like you come from a different culture, but when you adapt to like American culture, it's like, how dare you break off of that, like, this is your culture, this is what our family has always done and this and that, but it's like, yeah, but I don't like it.
00:38:33
Speaker
Like there's a lot, like I have a huge family and there's like a lot of tendencies and stuff where it's just kind of like, Jesus Christ, like I don't want to be here right now. Um, you know, like love my family, love my culture. I love from where I'm from, but there are always going to be those little bits where it's just kind of like, Hey, I'm kind of an American too. I grew up here. I grew up with friends that have no understanding of like where we're from and how things work on that part of the world. But like, I need to adapt to where I am. So it's a lot of that was portrayed very beautifully in here.
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. And I'm happy to have you for your perspective. I'm talking about culture way too much on an animation podcast. I don't agree in the slightest. You you bring you just bring such a.
00:39:18
Speaker
Such a quality to it that is that's real like young justice has made it so that this is all poignant conversation It's not like we're just talking about culture to talk about it. No, they're they're going for it Well, I like that I can make up with my lack of professionalism with the inside of culture Yeah, um Superboy was really intriguing with this and
00:39:41
Speaker
Um, the way that he was interacting with the family, the way that him and Beast Boy kind of had to adapt to the whole telepathic society. There's a lot of stuff where like a lot of people are trying to communicate with him or they were like downloading information and stuff. Beast Boy would freak out into that terrifying three eyed creature. And, you know, Superboy was struggling with it. And this is the first time we see him bleed too, like while they're building the altar, was it?
Superboy's Sacrifice and Impact
00:40:06
Speaker
I think you bled in the first episode. I don't know if that was while they were building the altar. No, that was when they were in the river thingy where they got married. Yes, that was when there was the cave in due to mystery ball person in the cave. That's one way to put it.
00:40:30
Speaker
And he did have an issue when they were building the altar too because that's when Beast Boy flipped out
00:40:36
Speaker
And he was like, I'll protect you, Connor, and then knocked him out. Yeah. I will say it was awesome that they left the cut on his forehead through the entirety of the rest of the arc. It's just like, they didn't need to do that, but they did, and it makes me happy. And now he's dead, so we don't have to worry about seeing it again. Suhaer, shut up.
00:40:58
Speaker
I'm gonna cry again. You said beforehand we both grieve our own ways. We do both grieve our own ways. I will joke about it. I'm gonna cry afterwards anyways. This is why we don't do video. Yes, we are the stages of grief though, because Zuhair's making jokes. And I am not kidding when I say I'm in denial. I have my conspiracy theory of how he is still alive, all set to go, like... I'm tearing up as I joke if that helps.
00:41:24
Speaker
Oh, no, so it's it's hard, but.
00:41:29
Speaker
Let's talk about that scene because it was- Yeah, maybe. I mean, this is the last point on that whole scenario was the way that they depicted Breon and how Garfield was dealing with that PTSD of like, like everything shows that it was Breon's decision, but Beast Boy still feels like he let Breon down, which was a really, you know, it's almost like survivor's guilt in a sense. Yes.
00:41:56
Speaker
And like that whole sequence was just like so magnificently done and just so gut-wrenching I still thought he was being a brat but just the whole the way that whole thing played out and then These two things with the the cut on his face and being knocked out was just more and more emphasis of like how much Kryptonians need Sun and
00:42:20
Speaker
Yeah, I was not ready to see the foreshadowing as it was happening. Yeah, right? They put it out there to be like, hey, he's vulnerable now. But you're still thinking to yourself, this is Superboy. He's not going to be vulnerable. I'm not going to kill off an OG character on episode four. Oh, no, they did.
00:42:38
Speaker
Well, because like I didn't believe, uh, John Jones, Martian Manhunter was gone for a second. I that that happened. I said, I did. I was genuinely worried when that data to blew up. I was like, we're going that hard into this. We're killing off a leaguer in episode one. I was a bit worried because I love Martian Manhunter, but there was just something about the way they played it. I wasn't ready to accept it.
00:43:05
Speaker
But and again, like I was like, it's 1130. I should go to bed. I need a podcast tomorrow. I'll watch an episode before I go to bed. Zeta Tube exclude explodes. Is John alive? Oh, yeah, I'm going to sleep now. Yeah, I might have been spoiled because I watched them because they released the first two episodes together. I watched them right when I found out about them. Right. So.
00:43:31
Speaker
No, that's what I should have kept a cliffhanger for. I'm sorry. I personally agree. I think that should have either been the end of episode two or just release episode one. Let that linger for more than a second because it was the start of the next episode. They were like, Andy's alive, so don't worry about it. Any other Mars stuff before we get to the last confrontation?
Mental Health and Healing
00:43:55
Speaker
Um, the only other thing, again, we've talked about beast boy and his, uh, PTSD, they handled it so well with the telepath. I think it was Saturn girl, um, fixing his brain, but then still saying at the end, look, this is going to fix your head trauma, but you have emotional trauma left. Go talk to people, like see what's going on, making sure to acknowledge, Hey, we have magic here, but you're still.
00:44:24
Speaker
part human and humans have a lot going on. And that's, that's kind of what I talked to with friends who are on, you know, things like depression medication and stuff like that, where it's like, that will give you the boost that you need to deal with it. But unless you make the life child stage and the decisions to deal with it,
00:44:50
Speaker
It's not going like this isn't a fix all like none of us would have depression if that was the case. So that's all say about that. But it is like one of those important things where it's like this wasn't a permanent fix like you still have things to go through. Yeah.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah, no, we're trying not to get in the weeds too bad on all of the social issues, but they they came out kicking this season. And yeah, it was all very powerful. So yeah, Superboys finally got to deal with that because they, you know, they had they find out how the Prince's father died. You know, he was in love with the priest.
00:45:27
Speaker
The king said no, because they were different colors. Tale as old as time. And she snuck in to try to convince him, lost control of her powers, killed him, became a priestess because celibacy and all that stuff. Obviously, they still love each other. But after all that was concluded, all the detective work was finally closed. McGahn's brother,
00:45:54
Speaker
hit the trigger on the bomb that was going to kill all the green Martians. Yes. Who was the only person that wasn't a hybrid? Our main man Superboy. Well, and the Legion was there, but we don't know much about them.
Introduction of Legion of Superheroes
00:46:11
Speaker
Yeah, just really quick. There's these three guys and one chick in a... Was the one chick in the hive Onyx or was that somebody else?
00:46:19
Speaker
there's so there's three of them I know their names from subtitles and that's it they never actually say their names there's Saturn girl chameleon boy and phantom girl those are the three that we have okay and chameleon boy makes sense because I was wondering why he was like foragers species for a second but I guess he has some level of shapeshifting stuff
00:46:39
Speaker
Yeah, there's an interesting point that I noticed. Each of them has a power of a Martian. One can use telepathy, one can shapeshift, and one can phase their objects. Yeah, so we don't know too much about them. We were wondering what they were at the end of last season when we saw the ring for the first time, so I guess we're just going to keep tracking and let you know as we go. We also know that you can Google it. I want to find out from the show.
00:47:05
Speaker
Yeah, I am severely not googling anything. But like I said, we know they time travel. That's the only other point that we got in some capacity of mentioning history books don't talk about what we did here or not is very, okay, something is happening. But what is that something very legends of tomorrow, it's sounding. Yeah, but it's interesting that they didn't get a conclusion in this arc.
00:47:30
Speaker
Yeah, so, um, yeah, I, there's, uh, they're definitely going to be, uh, a consistent thing going through. Uh, but you know, we do see Connor's sacrifice of him taking the bomb into the lava. You see his skin start to burn, his clothes start to burn. He punches into the thing. So the gas like dissipates into the lava a bit more. The gas like hits his eyes and he turned that, you know, they turn green Superman mentions, you know, when
00:48:00
Speaker
When when Superman reached, I was like, oh, cool, Superman is going to be here to save the day. But the fact that, you know, the explosion, having traces of kryptonite and then the Martians not being able to be near heat, it was like all you could do is just watch the silhouette of the body like in the lava. I was like, they're going to get him out. Yeah. And it cuts to the scene of Megan crying for three minutes. Yeah. And credit. I'm like, oh, he's not. It didn't click to me that he actually died until
00:48:30
Speaker
they had that montage of, oh shit, he's actually dead. And that's when I text you guys, I'm not crying. Yeah, no, it was, it was a lot on that topic of the kryptonite. I wonder if that's what the person from the sphere put on top of the bomb was like a little kryptonite bomb.
00:48:47
Speaker
that's that's my thoughts on this of why there was kryptonite involved was the little add-on so to speak but um even before that point you talked about how it was bad with um his clothes burning off in the lava i got some serious invincible vibes um before that and it gives me chills to even say right now if you watch it back i didn't even notice it the first time
00:49:12
Speaker
when he starts punching through the ground to get to the lava his knuckles start getting bloody and bony and the blood splatters across his face to show that he is not regenerating he is putting his all into breaking up the ground to get this down there and it was just so emotional and raw and he did not take a second guess he said no i'm doing this
00:49:36
Speaker
not even to save Magan, to save anyone. That's just who he is as a person. He was going for that. And gosh, I just don't want to believe it because he's Superboy. We can't lose another. Kid Flash hurt too bad. Superboy has hurt more because we've had longer. If Dick goes, I riot. I can't lose another. I agree with Garfield. I can't lose another friend.
00:50:07
Speaker
and kind of a transitionary piece. But when Artemis is standing in front of the memorial, we got Kid Flash in one side, Superboy right next to him. I was like, that hit hard.
00:50:19
Speaker
So interesting, Artemis wasn't actually in that shot. It was only our original four from the first episode. It was the Statue of Kid Flash, the Statue of Superboy, and then only Dick and Calder actually in that end credit scene, which it was only
00:50:40
Speaker
Robin Aqualad and Kid Flash that saved Superboy in that first episode. So it was actually the original four Standing in that scene again So I was actually talking about in the middle of the episode, but that is a oh I thought you were talking about I thought you were talking about the one at the end credit. Sorry. Oh
00:50:58
Speaker
No, I'm glad we got that out of the way, though. I didn't even think about that. That's pretty powerful. Because they're in their civilian clothes, too. But there was a point where Artemis was gearing up, and she was looking at both of them and crossing her head between both because she even had the dialogue. I was like, I know what Megan's going through right now. Yeah, and that was the thing. We didn't see Megan again.
00:51:28
Speaker
We know that Garfield came back, so possibly Megan came back, but we didn't see a lick of her, which is... I can only imagine what she's actually going through. Oh my god, we had to say bye to Bioship, too. Yeah, I mean... She's got a baby now. What's Forger gonna do? They even mentioned that, too, because, like, they had a really long moment of, like, Forger saying bye to Bioship.
00:51:52
Speaker
There was some serious romance in there. Oh yeah. Maybe they had a bad breakover. Maybe Forger's like the clingy type. And Masha just wasn't taking it. She was like, I'm just old. I'm going to stay over here. What if Forger's baby's dead?
00:52:08
Speaker
Oh no. Oh no. No, I'm just saying no, it's not real. They reproduce through osmosis or mitosis or whichever one that it is. No, I refuges.
00:52:31
Speaker
That would be something. That would that would actually be something. But that was a weirdly emotional like I did not expect to be sad. The bioship was gone. Like it's it's the ship that it's cool. It shape shifts. They had the little Star Trek Easter egg at the beginning, but it's still the ship. But yeah, that was. That that that was interesting. I don't I don't want to think about this forage or thing anymore.
New Arc with Bat Family and Shadows
00:53:03
Speaker
We are getting pretty close to the hour mark, so I think we need to hit the Artemis stuff because we're halfway through that arc. Yeah. If they're going like four episodes per arc, it seems like we're about that halfway point. So she's mourning, as everyone is, but her sister is getting re-involved with
00:53:29
Speaker
the shadows in terms of getting revenge. So we're getting lots of League of Shadows stuff going on. We're getting lots of League of Shadows and lots of my favorite two words in all of the DC Universe, the Bat Family.
00:53:44
Speaker
Yeah, we are getting a lot of that and I'm very excited and I completely forgot until you guys did the season 3 coverage that they teased the Gentlemen in the Red Hood and the baby in Talia's arms I guess we should give a spoiler warning for anyone who doesn't know who those two characters are
00:54:04
Speaker
spoiled it in the last episode. Okay, that's a re-spoiler warning. I mean, they said Damien, and they just don't know that. Spoiler, Damien Wayne. I was about to say, I didn't know for the longest time that Bruce Wayne had a child until... Yeah, there were some stories where they were like, just kind of like together for a while, and there were some where like, Talia actually drugged Bruce and nailed him.
00:54:29
Speaker
Yeah, because they were married at some points in some of the comics. I don't think it was willingly.
00:54:35
Speaker
Well, yeah, no, it was one of those like either you die or you become the head of the league by marrying Talia. Like those are his two options. And the Arrowverse hit that too. They had Oliver Queen and Nissa Al Ghul. Exactly. It's largely the same thing. But I do want it because Nissa was technically married to Sarah Lance. So there was a whole weird like. Yeah, because they both also hooked up.
00:55:05
Speaker
But now I just like that DC is still leaving these little maybe will kind of surprise you with things in the event that someone doesn't know that it's Mr. Todd under that red hood there. Because I mean, we've done that story a lot in the last like 10 years of like, who's the red hood? But they're still being like, hey, someone might not know. Let's not spoil this out the gate. And I really appreciate them doing that.
00:55:33
Speaker
Under the Red Hood is my favorite animated movie. Which I haven't seen that one yet. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. Arkham Knight was a fantastic game. Yes, that was. You know, Red Hood is one of those underappreciated characters. Like somebody was cosplaying as him. I can't remember what his his his girl was dressed up as. But I walked by and I was like, hey, I love the I love the Jason Todd get up.
00:56:02
Speaker
And he looked at his girl to make sure that he heard me right. He didn't respond, so I kind of turned and I was like, all right, don't hate to compliment. But I heard her say, it's like, yeah, somebody knew who you were. It wasn't that much of a mystery. He was like, thank you so much. He's like, yeah, on the way back. I was like, oh, you're very welcome.
00:56:26
Speaker
Like he had the tan biker jacket and the logo on the chest piece and like a big helmet, like a nice glossy helmet. I was like, that looks sick. That's awesome. I need it. Yeah. So yeah, I'm, I'm very excited for them to dwell into that. I hope it's just not a tease at this point. They teased it in just time. I don't think they'll tease it again. Yeah. Um, who do we need to run through real quick? Uh, Savage. Cassandra Savage.
00:57:06
Speaker
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were moles, but I don't trust Cassandra.
00:57:15
Speaker
It was that I was wondering like what the big like one-year gap question was gonna be like How did this happen her losing half her face and her whole arm was definitely one of them Yeah, I mean It's like oh that was just your timeout. Yeah, it's vandal savage. We I can't say I was surprised to know Yeah, um
00:57:38
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I don't know who to believe either. I agree. I could totally see them both being moles just to screw with everyone. Yeah, I could also see them playing some weird game where she's actually against Savage and Onyx is the mole. I don't know why I'm getting that vibe, but the way that Savage is going against Darkseid and stuff, there's there's some questions there. But like we're let I think even made the point that
00:58:08
Speaker
We think that Onyx isn't it because she fits the age group of the team, but we watched how Cassandra responded when she watched her sister's head get snapped.
00:58:24
Speaker
Which confirmed it is her sister. Vandal does have daughters and the fact that she was taken from her mother when she was four was a really big deal. When she mentioned that she had like half siblings and it cut to orphan, I thought that orphan was one of the half siblings. I thought that was supposed to be like. Ding, ding, ding, but it ends up being. What's the hot enforcer's name?
00:58:53
Speaker
That doesn't clear it up at all, Zuhair. There's only two enforcers, Deathstroke and Shiva. They're just all hot, is what I was saying. Yes, Deathstroke is very hot, but the female one. Yeah, Shiva, that was interesting. All right, the hots for him. Different, different one. Different universe. We don't talk about that one. That one's weird.
00:59:17
Speaker
Did you watch that one in the? Yes. Teen Titans versus Young Jess. Or what was it? The Judas contract where there is a very teenage terror that has the extraordinary hots for a very old deathstroke. So uncomfortable. Yes, yes. But anyhow. They do a very good job of introducing again, a whole other gambit of characters that we really don't have. I know you guys, I think it was Jay Scott even brought up on that cast.
00:59:47
Speaker
Was orphan trained by Shiva at some point he just was kind of grasping at straws because we got them introduced at the same time he's like that would be really cool well it turns out not only was she but she was her daughter which was an interesting
01:00:02
Speaker
dynamic with everything going on. I will say Orphan is a savage in terms of fighting. Yeah. And as much as Tigris told them not to kill Black Spider, she was going for straight kill shots that entire time. He was ready to kill Cheshire. Yeah. Oh, she's someone who else defected from the shadows. And I thought it would be like an oath of silence or something. I didn't realize her mom actually crushed her vocal cords. I was like, Oh,
01:00:27
Speaker
Yeah, so there is a question actually made the joke with like that's why she gets along with Batman so well. Oh my gosh. So there's the question here. They're defecting from the shadows. Who is even in charge of the shadows anymore? Because obviously we found out last season that race is not in charge. Who is in charge of the shadows that they're defecting from and would be a mole for? No, he just isn't in the light anymore.
01:00:57
Speaker
I thought he wasn't in charge of the shadows. No, he's still the... Because I thought he pointed out, like, look around this island, do you see any shadows here? Because it was just him, Talia, the baby, Red Hood, and Sensei were the only five on the island. We'll look into it, but I'm pretty sure that he's still the demon's head. He's just not part of the light anymore. Okay. I guess we gotta watch these three again.
01:01:24
Speaker
Oh no, I have to watch more Young Justice twist my arm. I was begging to be here. Totally watch just that one episode and find out. But sure, let's just watch the whole whole thing. We'll be back in two months to let you know what the answer was.
01:01:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's that's just my thoughts. If somebody else beats us to it, just write an email. Animation of the page podcast at your home. There's so many characters to keep track of. I had to look up which Harper we were looking at when they were had the one in the van. All three. I thought we only saw two of the three. No. See, there's two. Roy popped up at the.
01:02:03
Speaker
So you have... Roll me as Arsenal. We saw Arsenal and we saw Guardian. No, that wasn't Guardian. They were in the car together. Was it? Yeah, that was Guardian. We saw Red Arrow at one point. I don't remember if he had any dialogue, but he was there at one point. Yeah, he talked to Arsenal about being a mole and stack-handed him. Yeah, so it was at the end. It was towards the end. I thought the laugh in the car was the one that... Okay.
01:02:30
Speaker
No, that was Guardian because he's the one that started the, um, what was this something Bo? Bo Hunter security, I think it is. I think it was Bo Hunter. It might be. He's the one that started the security company and the fact that he was kicking ass with the clipboard and the pen and I was like, yeah, you're my kind of guy. That was a very John Wick of him.
01:02:51
Speaker
That was an awesome fight scene in the street there with all of our... That was my favorite clipboard! Yeah, dude, that fight scene was what showed me that they had a HBO budget now. Yes, yeah. They had a very high bar from season one, but oh my God, did it look so much smoother.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yeah, I will say I really am in love with these two episodes and probably the rest of the arc because I love the boots on the ground, no superpowers. How can we outwit them by being awesome at what we do kind of people? And like you said, because they have this huge or not huge budget, but the HBO budget. Yeah, we got two episodes of two awesome fight scenes. Do you remember the villain that was with Black Spider?
01:03:44
Speaker
um it was named shurik kurtik it was something rectus was the name of that villain rictus r-i-c-t-u-s um
01:04:02
Speaker
never seen any of that character actually um according to the wiki it is their debut so we've never seen this character before in the show so that's actually the point that i was getting as i think rictus and onyx were the only two characters we're seeing for the first time in this arc
01:04:19
Speaker
Yes. Because in the last arc, we had all the new Martians and everything, but when Beast Boy had his little flashback of how the Outsiders are right now, first off, Love Cassie's new uniform looks awesome, but that's where we saw Stargirl for the first time. Yes. And then the girl who was getting help, who had the tornado power, she was part of the team now, which was really awesome to see. Yeah, I believe her here, her name is Windfall.
01:04:46
Speaker
Windfall, that's a cool name. Yeah. But for this one, we had these two with Richtas and Onyxx. So it's cool that we're actually getting more because we've seen Aerowet before, we've seen Arsenal before. We saw Orphan, but we got to see more of that. Yeah, Orphan spoiler kind of newer.
01:05:08
Speaker
Like they were a part of the Bat family, but we didn't really focus on the Bat family last season. Yeah. And I love how much they mentioned Batman. I love that. Oh man, I text you guys about it. Oh, the, the respect. It was just, it showed how much respect that she had for Batman. It was when she was on the bench with Cheshire and Cheshire says just because the Bat says she's okay, you trust her. And without missing a beat, Artemis was like, yes.
01:05:34
Speaker
she didn't even let her finish the sentence she was like yes with the straightest of faces and i was like i haven't even seen batman yet and i love him so much already we we in batman we trust um man this this might arguably be my favorite animated batman too
01:05:56
Speaker
This easily is my favorite DC property. I would concur highly with that. You guys have gotten to talk a lot about it because you've done it. I'll give everyone a peek behind the curtain to my preferences. I love DC properties. This is it for me. And Dick Grayson's Robin slash Nightwing is arguably my favorite superhero full stop. Like he is just up there. The real answer is probably Batman.
01:06:25
Speaker
But the way that they differentiate Dick in this show to be the moral version of Batman, I really love. So, yeah, I'm totally on board and I would agree this is up there with some of the best Batman's competing with the Arkham series game. Batman's those ones do a really good job as well. But yeah, same heartbreaking origin story, which they've touched on a little bit, too. But what was that? The moral opposite. His parents being killed. How did I forget about that?
01:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, it was one of the earlier episodes. I mean, there was this thing, so they kind of went into it, and that was when KF wasn't on that mission. It's like, this is the one you should have had me on. He was like, nah, I had to do this on my own. I hope you know I was being super sarcastic about the tragic origin stories. I saw your face, but then you weren't saying anything. So I was like, okay, if I'm reading your face wrong, then let me just remind the listeners if they don't remember.
01:07:21
Speaker
Yes, well that's one of the things I love about DC is you don't question their storytelling of the reason he could become Robin at a nice young age is because he was a trapeze artist growing up from birth and with his parents he could flip around and do things. So suddenly transferring him into this role.
01:07:41
Speaker
is super awesome and it just makes sense to have him be this sidekick. They do a lot of that really good storytelling through the comics and all the shows. Oh, another thing I really appreciated. Speaking of that, it's not one of these stupid scenarios where just because the League of Shadows is such an old organization, they only use swords. Congratulations on knowing how guns work and being able to use a sword.
01:08:04
Speaker
Yes, and also diversity is very important. Super cool continuity thing as you talk about how good the League of Shadows was in this episode, that the ramen truck that they started fighting out of pulled in front of them in traffic before that happened. I was like, they didn't need to do that. They could have just shown up and like sideswiped them like in every other traffic scenario. Instead, they were like, oh, no, it's going to get in front of them, shoot a tranq dar arrow and then the fighting starts.
01:08:33
Speaker
Yeah. And it was like, we knew that, well, Arsenal found the sniper later on, but you knew that it was at a point where it's like the truck had to intercept and then they were waiting for the point where they cross the sniper and then the sniper hit in and then the truck came out and I was like. But the sniper was involved in them because they stopped. Yeah. At some point, it was like, this is such a tension to detail. Yeah, they're getting so good at it and I absolutely love it. I hope people are like listening this far and just knowing like just how much there is to talk about.
01:09:02
Speaker
Yeah, I looked at the clock as we were talking about the intros and outros and we went for like the first 20 minutes about that. I was like, OK, we have a lot to talk about because this show is just season four has ramped it up in a insane capacity. It feels like compared to season three. Yeah. I'm excited to just be able to talk about this every week now.
01:09:24
Speaker
Yes, I'm so excited to talk and or listen, whatever part I play. A little bit of both. Oh, I know. So back to Rictus, we kind of touched on this, but I had some other thoughts. Do you think- He gave me the heebie jeebies.
01:09:43
Speaker
Well, I'm going to question if it's a he or not until we actually confirm. Because the armor looked a bit feminine. Yeah. But I was questioning, do we think that was something along the lines of they figured out how to absorb Halo's power? I don't know why that was the first place my mind went, but I saw the purple glowing. And I remember we talked about Halo has these infinity stone style. She turns a color and a thing happens. I can't remember what purple was.
01:10:13
Speaker
heal okay so my theories debunked but I was curious um they seem to be so nice being others on the giving end of that but it could be though because the boosters came out of the arm it went in and it was purple like putting the arm back together um it just seemed like they focused a lot on the color and the only other like color based character we have is halo um
01:10:36
Speaker
I'm taking it as a design choice. And it could very well be that. If they have something to do with Darkseid, it wouldn't surprise me. That's something to keep track of. Yeah, I mean, we've already, again, said, apocalyptic in tech is not out of the question.
01:10:56
Speaker
We have Vandal Savage who just backstabbed up Darkseid in the last season. But they were on good terms again, but we also had the last episode where Metron stepped back in. But is there really such thing as good terms with Darkseid or good things with Vandal Savage?
01:11:16
Speaker
Like, I mean, they're not butting heads as we know right now, but the, the Metron storyline is interesting. I'm wondering if he's actually, if he's just observing Halo and cyborg, or if he's like adding some experimentation of his own. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, is it a watcher? Are they going to say they're only watching and then jump in, break your oath next time on young justice? Yeah.
01:11:45
Speaker
Also, can we talk about how Artemis... I'm just reading through my notes here. Artemis's name is Artemis this whole time. She never changed that, like... I knew that. I don't think I knew her last name was Croc until today.
01:12:01
Speaker
They do a lot of cool storytelling with the names and the backstories of their names But I was yeah, it was like some Sheng Chi energy of like you changed your name to Sean really that was the best you could do like she Left her name is Artemis after being a superhero named Artemis like no wonder we found her Yeah, that was just like even Jade was like I
01:12:24
Speaker
You need to cover up better for my daughter. And I also like that they were very specific about like, this call is for emergencies, and that's only because Will doesn't have the same blood type. Yes. Oh. Yes, it's that level of urgency. We're gonna throw that much detail in there. Okay. Yeah, they, again. She was heated. It's a character driven show, and they're just bringing in all these characters that like, have such nuances to why they do things. And Jade is a perfect example of
01:12:53
Speaker
layer on layer on layer of what she thinks is right and wrong in the world. Oh, I'm putting this out there to all the listeners if anybody can find me the photo that they framed up on the wall. Actually want I'm not even kidding Andrews laughing but I'm not even kidding I want that framed on my wall because it looks so cool.
01:13:14
Speaker
I did a brief goog and could not find it when he asked for it, so I'm- I mean, there's no Young Justice merchandise, so it's like, I may have to, like, find that frame and throw it into Illustrator and, like, vector it myself, which is a lot of work. I might just pay my buddy to do it, but I want it.
01:13:31
Speaker
I'm not kidding. I'll make that a double. If we're really putting the call out there like that, I would also love it. If it happens to be made. If you're already doing one, I don't know why a second one would be that difficult. If Zoo's already paying you to do it, then I guess I'll just take a copy from being on the show. That will be my payment. It's fine. That's all I need. It's fine. Graphic designers ain't cheap. Well, I mean... Worth every penny, but not cheap.
01:13:59
Speaker
All right. The only other point I have is, uh, Artemis's new boy toy. Do we have any thoughts? See where it goes? Yeah. It seems very charming. I like his dog. I like his dog too. I like his energy just the whole time of like, wait, I'm your boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. He was so giddy. I loved it. I mean, we've all been there. It's a, it's a funny situation to be in. And the way that Cheshire just like knew what his background was right off the bat. It's like, Oh, let me guess. Kalina, Artemis's type.
01:14:29
Speaker
Oh, I took it as she keeps tabs because she needs to make sure a little of both. I was about to say. Checks out and I'm curious to know what the name of the next episode is going to be because we got two book titles for these two. I just am curious what the next book is because it was The Tale of Two Sisters and then Artemis through the Looking Glass as opposed to Alice through the Looking Glass. So do you want me to tell you? No.
01:14:57
Speaker
I know I know it's out there. I'm just they're doing I'm looking right at it, but I'll say they're doing really cool motifs and I just want to know what cool motif is coming next. I was never that big in the literature and all that, but like I. And also, like because of Mandalorian, like I don't read the episode titles, I actively try to avoid them until it comes in, because I hate when spoilers are in the titles, but that was one of the ones I happened to see afterwards, and then I was like,
01:15:26
Speaker
Oh, that all makes sense because Young Justice is just a genius when it comes to continuity. Yeah, there's no better way to say it. I love it. It's fantastic. I love it all. Again, I'm happy to be back. It's really happening. I'm glad we could share this moment and hopefully the javelin will be back soon so that we can geek with Jay Scottie soon as well. Yeah, Jay Scottie, write us some feedback.
01:15:54
Speaker
animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com thoughts out there oh my god we're gonna have to boom to that message to us I did not expect that joke to go over as well as it did it was beautiful ah this was fun
01:16:21
Speaker
Yeah, we are one way or another. We are going to have an episode every week until this is done because it's just too good to not be able to. And what's great is that we typically record on, or we try our best to record on Thursdays anyways. And that's when the episode comes out. So it's going to be nice to just watch it and then just go straight to the desk and get it done. Yeah. Don't tell everyone our secrets though. They'll know when we're recording and when we miss days.
01:16:49
Speaker
Oh, I'm very I'm not professional. We try to emphasis on try to I when people ask me like, hey, what are you doing tomorrow? I was like, I don't know. Ask me tomorrow.
Podcast Plans and Community Engagement
01:17:01
Speaker
My work schedule could change like 30 times over. I mean, I'm a student, so I know exactly how that goes. Stupid cancellations.
01:17:10
Speaker
You wanted to plug something about how we can catch all of these art artworks. I do. So I pointed out to Zuhair before the episode that HBO is doing an awesome thing with each of the arcs. They actually have made a poster for the individual arc. So at this point, we obviously only have two posters, but they both look fantastic. And it looks to be like it's not just screen caps from the episodes there.
01:17:37
Speaker
making these with shadows and drawings and everything else. I really love the one for Arc2 because it looks like a pencil drawing of Cheshire's mask just in the distance. It's an awesome thing that they're doing. On top of that HBO is actually changing the backdrop to when you open up Young Justice on HBO Max so you can see these things but while talking about I wanted to bring this up we were like how can we show this to everyone
01:18:06
Speaker
on the internet if only there was a place that was social and you could share your media and would you look at that we have made an Instagram page so all of you guys if you want to head on over to did we call it animation I guess there are handles on Instagram but it's called animation to liberation is the actual name of the page I believe
01:18:33
Speaker
It's animation. Yeah, now I'm the unprofessional one that hasn't looked it up. Just animation deliberation, all one word, and it should pop up. We have two posts at this point. And just so that everyone can see the posters, I'm going to bug Jay Scottie and Zuhair to put those posters up there so everyone else can see them. And then hopefully when we get more posters, we'll have more of them up there. I'm just geeking over the My Hero one now. God, that armor looks so sweet.
01:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, the more things we talk about, the more we're going to want to put stuff up there. Hopefully, they'll use it as a way to kind of announce as projects are coming. And who knows, surprise when things drop. I'm sure you're going to have that light year coming up soon whenever that drops.
01:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, whenever this jerk host edits me, not J Scotty. I was about to say, why are you calling out J Scotty like that? That's harsh. I said that I would do this one because we were recording a lot of things at once and I've just neglected to do so because it is very difficult being a photographer and then recording and then editing photos and then editing a podcast. While being on medication because I have tendonitis and I am in loads of pain.
01:19:50
Speaker
Yeah, they just haven't taught me how to edit anything yet. So when that happens, then they'll probably just be yelling at me every episode. I want to say yelling. I just should talk you. Nicely asking. I mean, it's brotherly love. I appreciate it. That's that's the fun of doing things that we love like this. And I hope all of you guys enjoyed our ranting and ravings throughout this episode. Yeah, we haven't talked about Young Justice for like 20 minutes now.
01:20:21
Speaker
All right, this is animation deliberation. We will be covering these episodes weekly, so hopefully they'll be a little bit shorter so that you can get your entertainment and go back to your lives in a shorter span of time. Thank you, as always, for joining Andrew. Jay Scott will be back next week. Tune in next week and as always, stay wombed. Bye.
01:20:43
Speaker
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