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My Hero Academia: World Heroes Mission
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While we wait for a new episode of Young Justice, Zuhair & J Scotty offer their thoughts on the latest theatrically released anime film, My Hero Academia: World Heroes Mission. Go Beyond! Plus Ultra!
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Introduction to 'My Hero Academia: World Heroes' Mission'
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On another exciting entry of animation deliberation, we're tackling a movie, another movie. It is My Hero Academia, World Heroes Mission. So we're gonna get right into that after some ads we have no control over.
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Podcast Theme and Host Introductions
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation, deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Always Plus Ultra with the song. Thank you. Thank you. Go Beyond Plus Ultra is what we do here.
00:01:06
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All right, folks, well, welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. Normally, we discuss action animated series and cartoons, but I am excited to be tackling a movie that's out in theaters right now. And to do that, well, of course, I am Jay Scott, your host.
00:01:27
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To do that, I am joined by the person that I started this podcast with that has introduced me to a number of great animated shows, including My Hero Academia. What is up, Zuhair? How's it going?
00:01:39
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It's going pretty good. It's dark outside already, which means that when I complain about being tired, it's a little more justified. It's a good start. I have a right to be tired. So positive daylight savings. Aside from that, I'm doing well. Yeah, I think I have a perfect record on shows that I recommended that you've watched and liked.
00:01:59
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Yeah, I'd say so. I don't think I've given a bad recommendation yet. I'm gonna toot my own horn there. No, go ahead and toot that horn. Yeah, you've got a stellar track record so far. I think the only ones and...
00:02:13
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I'm saying this with a caveat because I did enjoy Modoc for the most part, but I know the reception of that one was a little mixed, and that was totally my idea. I was the one that was excited about it. That was when I watched it. I was like, oh, I'm going to cast about this, aren't we? I think that was everybody, because Jeff was initially supposed to join us for that too, and I think that was in response. That's Jeff Randall of the MCU cast for
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for the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast for anybody that's a first time listener here.
Listener Reviews and Feedback
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Hopefully, we've got some people that are checking us out because we're tackling My Hero Academia. Now, before we get into the nitty gritty, let's do a little bit of housekeeping. We've been bringing up the five star reviews that we've been getting, and we've got a couple of those queued up, some ones that I'm excited to share with the listeners. So Zuhair, you've got those pulled up for us, right? Yeah.
00:03:07
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Appreciate everybody who sends these in, and we have so many to go through that we're going to read a couple today. So thanks for writing, everybody. I'm going to start off with GJN27, caption being best new edition. This is the absolute best new edition to the Stranded Panda family. Both the hosts and guests are fantastically well-informed and knowledgeable on the topics discussed and has opened my eyes to much more about the animation styles and what goes into creating these animations.
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and the work needed by the animators. Can't wait for Invincible Season 2 to hear their recaps. Awesome, awesome. It's not animated, but those kind words make me want to respond like Mike Myers from Wayne's World just, we are not worthy. We are not worthy. Yeah, truly kind words that warm my heart and make me excited to continue to do this cast. So thank you. We're happy you're happy. Yeah.
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And the next one, Five Star Awesome by Drew Grech. I think it's Grech. Forgive me if I said that wrong. I'm going to go with Grech. The Invincible coverage has been absolutely fantastic. Big fan of Marvel and Star Wars, not necessarily in that order. And I love their deep dives into Bad Batch, Modoc, and What If. I'm glad you enjoyed our Modoc coverage. Yeah, speaking of. Bad Batch set a bar for me. Yeah. It set a bar.
00:04:36
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for sure, for sure. Actually, on the subject matter of Bad Batch, it's kind of a nice time to bring up Star Trek prodigy. I went ahead and checked out the first episode of that show on Paramount Plus. And I definitely got some Bad Batch vibes. I felt like with the success of Bad Batch for Star Wars, Star Trek was like, oh, we need to do our own kind of version of that. And I do think it's a little more
00:05:00
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geared towards a younger audience by focusing on adolescent characters. But we're not going to cover that show specifically here just because we've got so much content. But I do encourage everybody to check out the Star Trek Universe podcast. Matt Carroll and David C. Robertson do that show and it's a part of the Stranded Panda Network here. So if you're a fan of Star Trek and interested in that animated series, I know we got some feedback requesting that we cover that show. Go check them out. I can't encourage you enough to do that.
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Because I've never seen anything Star Trek, so you don't want to hear anything from it. I feel like I'm going to piss a lot of people off if I give that a shot. Yeah. Also, I heard today that T-Mobile customers can get Paramount Plus for free for a year, even if you already have their service.
00:05:46
Speaker
So if you're a T-Mobile customer, look into that if you're running out of content to watch, because I kind of want to do the iCarly reboot more than anything. Oh, nice. OK. I think I know that's on there. That's funny. That's funny. I know I didn't watch too much iCarly just because it was a little bit after my time, but I definitely watched a fair amount of Drake and Josh. I know.
00:06:07
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Drake Bell, unfortunately, has been in the headlines for not the greatest reasons, but I definitely have love for that Nickelodeon stuff. But that being said, with my little bit of exposure with the Paramount Plus app, it was one of the worst apps I've ever used. So if you do check it out and want to send them some feedback, hopefully they can do something to optimize that app and make it a little more functional. But that's all I'll say about that. Drake Bell voiced
00:06:32
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I think it was Ultimate Spider-Man on one of the Disney actually. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah, I think I did. I was like, man, this voice is killing me. Whose is it? OK, OK. And I know on the other side of things, as far as Disney series goes, Boy Meets World, Will Friedle, he had a long running, well, not super long running, but he was on Kim Possible as Ron Stoppable. But then he went on to voice Star-Lord in a couple of the Marvel series. I think it might have been in one of those
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Excuse me, Spider-Man series and maybe like whole agents of smash or something like that. But yeah, nice to hear his voice. But we are not here to discuss Marvel this time around. We're not even here to discuss DC this time around, but we are discussing heroes.
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And those are talking about American content. Yeah. Yeah. So it is My Hero Academia, World's Hero Mission. And this is the third theatrical released film for this animated, excuse me, this anime series. And before we talk about the film forthright, I don't know how long a conversation that's actually going to be because we kind of talked off here. It's a fairly simple story. I think it clocks in at like an hour, 37.
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If the runtime if I remember Okay, yeah, so sounds about right there. So before we do that, let's just talk about the series a little bit You know how you got introduced to it some of your favorite characters how much of it you've seen do you watch the sub? Do you watch the dub? You know, so because you were the one that kind of encouraged me to check the show out and introduced to me in the first place I will let you take the floor and
Listener Engagement: Anime 'Mount Rushmore'
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I'm going to mix in a couple of things here. First off, I think I started watching the series three years ago, maybe two, three years ago. Because I remember binging the first three seasons altogether. So that was one of those things where it's like,
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You see the memes on Facebook, you see people talk about how good it is, you have friends always tell you to start it. So that's what it takes for me to get an anime started because there's just so many that you never know like what's mainstream. No doubt. But my hero academia is on my Mount Rushmore of anime.
00:08:52
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So you have Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Demon Slayer and My Hero Academia currently. So that's how high I hold it. That being said... Where was they going with that? Oh, yeah. I want to hear what your Mount Rushmore is. So if you're an anime fan and you like more than four animes, send us an email. Yeah. And let us know what your four are, because I'm very curious of what people's rankings like that are.
00:09:22
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Yeah. Animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com is where you can send your anime Mount Rushmore. And we also did just, I made an Instagram for animation deliberation. So that's just simply animation deliberation. You can also hit us up there as well as the Twitter. Do we want to read off the people who emailed us back last week with their theater experience?
00:09:50
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Oh, yeah, I completely forgot to do that. We just kind of moved on from the reviews right into the My Hero Academia stuff. But yeah, this is a good time to kind of address that while we're talking about where to hit us up. We did put the prompt out at the end of the last episode just to kind of test everybody out to see who listens till the end. We had the question or the prompt to tell us what the first animated feature that you got to see in theaters was.
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Theaters was I don't know why the grammar sounds wrong to be there, but I think it makes sense We did have a couple of people respond to us so One of those being the esteemed Haley Hobbs who has appeared on the show The esteemed heavy Hobbs says I couldn't remember I Couldn't remember but when Jay Scottie said page master that definitely sparked a memory So I'll say that and then she winked and stuck her tongue out at us and
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Yeah. Sparking a memory I have to imagine is kind of intentional because she is the co-host of Spark. Yeah. Stranded Panda, a reading collective. Source page is a reading collective. I'm so tired. I'm blaming daylight savings. The next one, Mark and TJ Stafford. TJ.
00:11:13
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Oh, and P.S., my first animated theater experience was Batman, Mask of the Phantasm. Probably explains a few things about the trajectory of my life. To this day, it's my favorite entree in Batman's story ever. Rightly so, rightly so, yeah. So, yeah, Mask of the Phantasm came out in 90... 93, I want to say. So...
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I looked at all. Why didn't I look up the release date? I just went straight to images. There's a strong possibility that might have been one of the first ones for me as well. I just have the most vivid memories of Page Master as well. But Mask of the Phantasm is an excellent, excellent Batman story right up there with some of the live action ones. So, yeah, great call there, TJ. If anybody has not for some reason, revisit the Mask of the Phantasm in a while. Definitely encourage you to do so. December 25th, 1993.
00:12:09
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There we go. I was just a wee three-year-old, almost four-year-old. That was a few months. So yeah, back to animated stuff that we've seen in theaters in this year, 2021. Yeah, it was a third movie.
00:12:32
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I ranked them in the order that they came out. The first one was amazing. Okay. The second one wasn't too bad and this one like was whelmed. And without spoiling anything, this one had the same problem that the second movie had where it's like
00:12:49
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I don't like invincible villains. And that's one of the things I appreciate about the show is that every hero's power has a weakness and nobody is substantially stronger than anybody else. Like heroes and villains always go toe to toe. It doesn't have the cliche of like, we need everyone's power to come together to do this and this and that.
00:13:14
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No, everyone's got their limits, everyone's got their issues. So this is the second time they threw a villain that kind of hit too many cliches that it just wasn't a fair cut. I think that's a fair critique while we're kind of like a non spoiler spoiler, spoilery territory. Yeah, so you mentioned the first two ones that were released now, as far as the order goes, it was two heroes and heroes rising and now world's hero mission. Is that correct?
00:13:44
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Okay. And then I'm vaguely familiar with the plot of one of them. I know because in the anime, they kind of, I can't remember which season is, but they kind of like make the mention of the fact that all my, at one point in time had an American sidekick and it kind of, you know, sets it up that they might be making a trip to America to visit that guy and his daughter. So was that the first one that came out? I imagine. Yeah. That's the only one that could actually really be canon if it wanted to be. Okay.
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Like it didn't deviate too much away from the story and there wasn't anything in it that like set the path off. Whereas like big things happened in this one and the second one where it was like, no, that doesn't make sense in the story at all. It doesn't make sense at all. So the first one was the only one that was very cohesive. And it is also fun fact, the only time that you see Midoriya and all might fight together. Interesting.
00:14:40
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Yeah, yeah, because thinking back on it, I can only think of one instance where, yeah, they weren't fighting side by side, but like, as you kind of battlefield at the same time, that's about it. Yeah, I was thinking of the fight with all for one or one for all. I always I feel like I always invert those. It's like one of the one is all for one. OK, that's how I think of it. It's like all for one. One individual. I want to take all for me. OK. Yeah. So I kind of put that in my head every time if I get confused.
00:15:10
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That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. And then just while we're kind of talking about where these films kind of like lie in the continuity and where they take place, like I for myself have seen through season four. So with this film, I do think there were some things that address some things that took place in season five that I scratched my head a little bit, but I kind of just rolled with it chiefly. I'll just say it looks like Midoriya has a new power, kind of like that intangible black whip that he tends to use that effectively makes him Spider-Man.
00:15:40
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Yeah, it's actually called Black Whip. Oh, interesting. Okay. It kind of reminded me of Tokoyami's dark shadow in that way. It's almost like a shadow that gets emitted from him. So there was that. And then I think the only other thing that kind of stood out to me is the fact that Bakugo and Midoriya are
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part of Endeavor's hero agency for their hero studies, it appears, where I don't think that was the case beforehand. I think it was just Todoroki. Yep, I won't go too much in The Origin of Blackwhip. Okay. There's a whole arc on it. So it's like, when you watch it, like you'll learn, explained very well, there's a lot of lore into One For All's power set that's never been discovered before. So there's an arc that talks about
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breaking down One for all so when you push it that'll make all of that very clear Okay in regards to The three of them. Yeah, all I'll say is that They need an agency to work with and Todoroki was like we can work for my dad if you want Okay not gonna break down the intent and what happens in this and that but like that's just a
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So yeah, there's, we have heroes that are working for different agencies, just like when they were doing the internship and the work study stuff. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. It's like these guys are in college. It doesn't seem like a high school thing. Yeah, for sure. That's very true. I guess this is just a world where your education and career are very much fast-tracked. It's another thing in the series that they kind of discuss too.
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Oh, okay. Okay. Well, you know, one of the things that makes the show so unique is, well, it's the way they kind of address like the power sets in this world, they're called quirks.
Plot Overview of 'World Heroes' Mission'
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And the quirks are kind of like the, what's up? You went on our last Young Justice coverage when we were talking about how the
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They were like forcing the meta gene to come out and kids, and I was like, that's what started the My Hero first. Like Young Justice was just a precursor to My Hero. Right, right, Karen Bumblebee. It keeps making sense, like the more we talk about it, I'm like, I find no flaw in this.
00:18:17
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Yeah, yeah, that's a great and funny comparison there. But yeah, it is the quirk, or if you want to call it metagene, is kind of the focal point of the series and this movie in particular, because I think it had been mentioned in the show kind of in passing, it was never like the biggest through line, but there is this theory out there that
00:18:38
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the natural evolution and the continuation of like quirks becoming more and more powerful and individuals being born. That's, you know, if two people with different quirks have an offspring, they're just gonna create more and more powerful people with more and more powerful and unstable quirks. And basically it will end the world in what they call the like quirk singularity doomsday theory. Quirk doomsday theory. Quirk doomsday theory, okay.
00:19:07
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We've got this cult, this organization called Humorize that has basically taken this idea and their goal to prevent the destruction of the world is to basically kill all the heroes, kill everyone with quirks, wipe out this quote unquote disease so that humanity can kind of start over and start with a clean slate.
00:19:30
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Yeah, it's a pretty interesting story in that regard. And I felt the threat and the leader of this organization is a guy named Fleck Tern, who has a quirk himself. And you kind of mentioned that with having these all-powerful villains, but his is basically just the ability to reflect any physical attack that is done to him.
00:19:55
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And they do try to have some nice nuance there and give him some depth with the fact that it's the fact that he reflected everything. It's not just attacks. He was never able to feel anything. Really made him feel disconnected and caused him to view his quirk as a curse.
Villain Analysis and Critique
00:20:16
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Yeah, the backstory was nice. If I had a...
00:20:23
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monday morning movie medic moment with this it would be that again i don't like
00:20:33
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overpowered villains. Sure. And what would have made more sense. We're going to spoiler talk. Yeah, what made more sense for me would have been if his powers had a limit, and he was using a special suit that had the mirrors that enhanced it. Okay.
00:20:53
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Because then you have the objective of like he could have Midoriya could have like powered up and use black with to target the mirrors and overpower like each one of them and like work his way down to the villain and then you know like both of them are exhausted at that point you could get a fight out of that but the fact that it was just like
00:21:15
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I'm just invincible and I'm going to keep punching you as a distraction. Like that kind of took me away a little bit, you know? Because while this was happening, Todoroki and Bakugo were having their own fights because it was like they went in three and then Bakugo took on two of the guys. Todoroki took on Sproul and Midori kept moving. I was more fascinated with the other two fights because it was actually head on.
00:21:38
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Yeah. And like, especially Bakugo is like, I hated the laugh, but not because it was poorly done because it was so well done that it made me cringe. It was one of those things, right? So it was those villages like you're rooting for Bakugo, but like.
00:21:52
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you're really invested in how cool the villain is because you know it's the only time you're going to see them. Certainly. And it's twins and then they get juiced up so their court gets like overpowered and Bakugo's like already, I was like, yeah, this, this is a fight. Todoroki's was fun, but like Bakugo's fight was amazing. Despite being like one of my favorite characters. Like, yeah, I'm a little biased in that, but like, I was like, no, I don't want to watch Midoriya like bashing his head against a wall. That's all that's happening right now.
00:22:21
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Yeah, I agree with all those critiques and it's kind of one of my biggest criticisms of the film as well. It's something that we've already seen in the series. I feel bad that I can't remember the name of the villain off the top of my head, but it was the villain that basically had taken the young girl with the horn on her head and he had like kidnapped her.
00:22:40
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and overhaul. Yeah, yeah. So it, I felt like the fight was very similar where Midoriya basically just had to like fight through the pain and keep just like pummeling them until he found their breaking point. And while I appreciated the aspect where it was told through dialogue where
00:23:00
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Midoriya tells Flekter and it's like that's that was where that was your problem you gave up you stopped trying you could have you know found a way to like surpass your limits and found a way to feel something and you didn't you gave up and that's the difference between you and me I appreciate that aspect of it but I kind of agree with you what I would have liked if he would have had to use more strategy or found a more inventive way
00:23:21
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to have to defeat him especially with it being all based on reflection in the back of my mind I was thinking he was gonna have to do something to manipulate light and like the refractions and maybe find a way to like something like that would have been cool yeah exactly that's kind of what I was I was anticipating but like I said I did like the fact that I mean it's just driving home what Midori is all about he's just you know he wants to be that hero that
00:23:44
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saves people no matter what and with a smile on his face. And I guess they drive it home so much so that he can be that example to the other main character. I mean, you brought up Bakugo and Todoroki, who I definitely want to get into especially.
00:23:59
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Bakugo, you mentioned that fight, it was so bloody, he got impaled multiple times, and I was just like the amount of blood loss between him and Midoriya. I was like, how are these people still standing? But I feel like the other main character is this character of Roddy, Roddy Soul, and apart from this conflict we have, the main
00:24:21
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part of the story is the relationship and the friendship that gets to be built between Roddy and Midoriya Taku.
Character Focus: Rody Soul and Midoriya
00:24:28
Speaker
Is it not Roddy? Is it Roddy? I wrote, maybe it is Roddy, I just kept saying Roddy, but I think you're right, it is Roddy, because I remember thinking in the theater, I was thinking War Machine for a second, but yeah. I think I had that same mindset too, which is... Okay. Let's go with Roddy, Roddy sounds good. Yeah, I think it is Roddy, yeah.
00:24:48
Speaker
So and then I guess that's the thing with the film being called World Heroes Mission. It usually all takes place in Japan, but this is them, you know, going out to various parts of the world. And we get to see another country, Otheon, which I'm not sure where that is supposed to be exactly. It looked very Italy to me. Yeah, I was going to say I got kind of like Prague kind of vibes like Central European. So we can go with Italy works for me.
00:25:16
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Yeah, I thought, you know, he was a good heart and soul for the story there with his starting out as kind of a artful Dodger, street urchin, scamming people, but his constant exposure to somebody just so altruistic as Deco by the end there, he's able to be, you know, make the sacrifice and be a really good big brother.
00:25:40
Speaker
And Prince roady fabulous. He rodey of both beyond. Work for me. Yeah. They set up that little like reveal where he told Midoriya that he had a quirk, but he didn't want him to laugh about it. And he tells him off camera. And then it comes back at the end of the movie. I will say that I saw that one coming from a mile away, but
00:26:09
Speaker
You know why you saw it coming from a mile away? Because it was stretched out so flipping much for so long that like, yeah, you had time to think of every scenario, go refill your popcorn, take a piss, come back and still not know what happened. Yeah. Like, I don't blame the jerks that was sitting in front of me for laughing as much as they were. It was just one of those things like, you know, when to shut up, but like,
00:26:39
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I mentioned in another cast, I'm not going to go into that. You have to go listen to it to find out. But it was it was just it's hard telling people to watch anime when they keep like repetitively doing the things that I don't like about it. Sure. And this being one of them where it's like it was almost like a Snyder Man of Steel movie where it was like lots of action in the beginning, lots of action in the end, but just
00:27:09
Speaker
Such stretched out story in the middle, like. Sure. Sure. Wow. Yeah. I think you're right about that. There's like almost the whole entire section of the movie where it feels like a buddy road trip where you kind of forget that the villain is even in the picture at all. Yeah. Roadie trip. There you go. There you go. Yeah.
00:27:35
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I don't disagree with any of those criticisms, but just to kind of flesh it out, his quirk ends up being he's got this little pink bird named Pino that's like always on his shoulder.
00:27:48
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And basically, while I described him as an artful dodger, kind of a con man type character, while he's always doing his best to deceive the people around him about what his actual emotional state or intention is, this bird reveals what his true intentions and what his true character is.
00:28:06
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And it's actually revealed that his father, you know, he's that's part of his character development. He feels pretty jaded against his father because his father was like a part of human rights and got his whole family like ostracized from the community that they lived in for being a part of it. But you get to learn that his dad actually made the ultimate sacrifice to try and create a fail safe to save all the heroes. And we haven't I don't think we've done it proper justice, but basically I kind of alluded to it. But
00:28:36
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Humorized they've set up these bombs with this trigger gas all around the world and when these bombs go off they cause people with quirks to it basically Over over activates their quirk to the point that they they die So anybody that's familiar with the inhuman, sorry to bring that up, but the Terrigen mist it's kind of like the opposite of the Terrigen mists where instead of
00:29:01
Speaker
bringing out the latent gene, it kills anybody with the latent gene and spares all the humans. And that's another season five thing where there actually is a juice that's like amping up their powers. Okay. I think it may have been alluded to as early as season four because it's not entirely unfamiliar to me. Okay. Yeah. That was another part of it. And I know I've been saying like a lot of negative things, but
00:29:27
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like the story. Sure, the the Pino thing was pretty cool. It was really cute, like when Midoriya was leaving at the end and he was trying to keep on a brave face of Pino was crying. I was like, Oh, you should probably the story with the story with his dad. Like, yes, it was very Rogue One, but I also didn't see it coming.
00:29:46
Speaker
Okay, like I because of like how strong of the cult vibe they were going into why I thought his hatred for heroes will actually was because or hatred for whoever actually was because his dad left him. So I was like, Oh, man, that's actually that's pretty harsh. So when they threw that in there, like it actually was uplifting. And I really liked when
00:30:08
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uh, humorize whatever the villain's name was. Fleck turn or Fleck turn. Fleck turn was the man guy. I can't tell you any of like the lackeys. They were cool, but I don't know any other names. Yeah. Uh, so when Fleck turn actually said like, you know what? Yeah. Like I'll, I'll put on a timer to give them a chance. Like seeing the montage of the heroes, like actually
00:30:31
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interacting with humor eyes and they have people with quirks too so they're struggling and fighting and Midoriya's dialogue of like even if they know that they can't win like they're going to keep trying they're going to keep fighting like stuff like that is it is the heart of my hero academia it's that ability to inspire through dialogue and lead by example and be a hero and do the right thing and don't quit no matter like how difficult the situation is like
00:30:59
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The emotional effect that these characters are able to have is such a beautiful thing. So it disappoints me that instead of making it a sequence that kept going within 40 minutes, it stretched out over this like 105 minutes and just it kind of shot themselves in the foot because those good moments were really good moments. But sure, the fact it took so much nap time to get to it was what was frustrating about it.
00:31:29
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Yeah, I don't think that's unfair. I do think pacing was a little bit of an issue, and things were stretched out more than they should have been. But I did want to bring up some of the animation. We talked about some of the action sequences, primarily Bakugo getting to face those really cool twins.
Todoroki's Ice Powers and Animation
00:31:45
Speaker
But on the other side of things, I thought Todoroki, not necessarily the villain he fought, but the showcasing of his ice powers. We've seen his ice powers a lot in the show, but I felt
00:31:57
Speaker
they did a completely different twist on it this time with like getting to see like crystalline like ice formatures like jutting out like at you at the screen and you're making a face like you know something that you don't want to tell me. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. You did bring up just some of the lackeys that were causing them trouble along the way. And I think about that one
00:32:27
Speaker
woman Archer who was able to basically fire the arrow. Oh yeah, I forgot about her. Yeah, I thought she was super cool too and the effect that they always used around the arrow reminded me very much of Midoriya's own power set and I was kind of wondering if there was going to be a little bit of a connection there, but there doesn't need to be. Nah.
00:32:47
Speaker
Other than that, one of the biggest laughs I got is when Rody and Deku were on top of the bus and they were arguing about whether or not to pay for fair. And then Asuku did the Delaware smash to put the two coins in. All right, we paid for two people. It's like we're still sitting on top of the bus. Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
And then I did like the recurring joke with Bakugo, like every time Todoroki told him to do something, he's like, don't tell me what to do. But then he went ahead and did it. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I was laughing so hard at Bakugo in the theater. He's something else.
00:33:32
Speaker
Yeah I've never typically I've never typically attracted to the hot rod character But I just can't get over his because like okay with how with how cocky he is And how powerful he is He has those moments those emotional moments where he has some breakdowns Sure, or like you get it's it's what I appreciate about
00:33:57
Speaker
Inosuke and Demon Slayer too. They're very like hard headed on the outside, boar head or not. But like when it really comes down to it, and they have their weak moments, like they really dwell into that in the story. And that was another one with him. It's like, because you've seen him enough in those difficult situations that when he did get to like near debt situations, it's like you worry about, you know, he's gonna pull through, but you worry about him too. Because like, that's something that could linger on.
00:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It's tough not to compare him to like a character like Vegeta, but and as celebrated as Dragon Ball Z and Vegeta are I feel like this show like what you mentioned that pride and that's dedication to like always wanting to excel and be the best like I feel like they just do such a great job exploring like kind of the
00:34:52
Speaker
some of his shortcomings as well and just the inadequacy that he feels and why he is the way that he is. Even in season four, it hasn't all been spelled out for me, but just some of those small flashbacks to their childhood and whatnot and getting to see even how much of a cut from the same cloth he has as his mother just in terms of being, you know, flying off the handle and telling you how they really feel.
Character Dynamics: Midoriya vs. Bakugo
00:35:19
Speaker
But yeah, he's a great character and all the characters are so great and they get such rich development. But what I was gonna say is you have to have a character like him when Izuku is always as altruistic and just good natured as he is. You have to kind of have the counterbalance to that and I'm glad they do. We didn't get a lot of All Might. All Might was definitely on the sidelines, but it's nice to see him rooting
00:35:47
Speaker
Midori on and Midori really come on and come into his own. But what little performance we got from Chris Sabat was great. Young man, you two become a hero. I actually watched the Japanese version. Oh, did you? Okay. I was we should have clarified that at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. So I watched Japanese. He watched English.
00:36:07
Speaker
You did it the quote-unquote real, real family. Yeah, the timings were very limited on both. And it was one of those things that my friend that I was supposed to go with hates the dubs. So he was like, you want to watch it in Japanese, right? I was like, I'm fine with either. I actually liked the voices for both of them quite a bit. Yeah.
00:36:28
Speaker
I will say I've watched a few, I haven't watched as many as you obviously, but I've watched a few different anime series and some are better than others in terms of the dub. But I've been really impressed with all four seasons that I've watched in this movie included. I think, you know, the entire English class, uh, voice cast does a great job. Justin Briner doing, uh, Azuku holding his own as always, uh, Chris Sabat doing all might that I mentioned. And then, uh, the newcomer there for roadie was, uh, Ryan Colt Levy.
00:36:55
Speaker
doing the voice of Rody and then Pino. Gotta give a shout out to Pino was Christina Lee.
00:37:03
Speaker
Christina V, you're correct. Thank you. I can't read my own handwriting. My V looks like that. I just happen to have it up on the... I keep my Wikipedia pages open more often. Yeah, the only thing that... So Dragon Ball Z, I can't watch Japanese. I refuse. I hate that. I just hate Goku's voice so much. I watch Dragon Ball Japanese. English or Japanese. Midoriya and...
00:37:34
Speaker
Zenitsu. The screaming just drives me up the wall. I hate it so much. It's so overdone. That's interesting to hear about Zenitsu, particularly because even his English one I feel like is already over the top.
00:37:54
Speaker
Yeah, I can't stand it on either. How does it go? Jesus. I'm playing the Demon Slayer game right now. Oh, nice. I have to play as I need to. And like, it's like, skip, skip, skip, stop talking, please, you whiny little. That's understandable. Well, but yeah, with the show, I'm fine with both. I like I like either of them.
00:38:21
Speaker
Yeah, I did watch a squid game and that was one of those ones. It's not animated obviously, but it had the option between.
00:38:28
Speaker
the original South Korean or just Korean, excuse me, or you could listen to the English dub. And that was one of those ones, like it was automatically set up for English dub. And I watched like five seconds of that. And I was like, no, we're going back to Korean right now. I'm assuming you did the same thing I did because the opening scene in that show is it explaining what the squid game is. So nobody's lips are moving. So you have English and you're just watching it. And as soon as you watch people's mouths, it was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, exactly. That's exactly how it went down.
00:38:58
Speaker
Well, as we're going off on tangents now and winding down, I did want to bring up how successful the movie was in its opening weekend here in the United States. It had an opening of 6.4 million, which might not sound like a huge number, but it was number four at the box office, which is pretty huge, especially when you have tentpole releases like
00:39:22
Speaker
Eternals and Dune still in theaters right now. So very, very impressive. And it makes me excited for just how casual audiences are becoming more and more accepting of not just animated content, but anime as well as, you know, stuff from Eastern culture. So really encouraging. We should watch the first movie together. Curious to see your reaction to it. And then I know
00:39:53
Speaker
I don't, when was that, uh, that injustice movie that just, uh, I think it was released on October 19th. So it's been out for a little while, but I definitely have interest in that. That's the one where, uh, what's up. Ooh, that's an interesting description.
00:40:15
Speaker
Yeah, I love the Injustice games. I haven't read any of the comics, but just the games alone do a great job of encapsulating the story. And it's pretty riveting stuff. So yeah, I'm not going to read it out loud in case people are like me and want to go in as blind as possible. But that's very good. Yeah. I want to watch that. Cool. One thing from season five, the opening arc
00:40:41
Speaker
is basically class 1A versus class 1B. And their mission is they're randomly organized into groups of four or five. And they're put in this thing and it's like, you have to like capture as many of the other people as you can. But because we haven't seen B in a while, like we haven't seen like how much they've been training and how much they've been upping their skills.
00:41:09
Speaker
Okay, so you get to see a lot of what they've been doing a lot of class one a has been doing and how they've been working together and displaying their skills was quite the flex on everybody. So the fact that we got to see that and then see them on these missions working with the heroes that we see more on a regular basis, like knowing what improvements our guys and that be have made. And being able to see little tidbits of that in this was really cool. It was very interesting.
00:41:39
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to remember because they were really only like features and like the montages where we got to see like the various members of class one a like you mentioned. But the one member of class one be whose name I can remember just because it's Tetsu Tetsu Tetsu Tetsu. And he's basically the counterpart to Red Riot. Red Riot. I can't think of his real name. I want to say Kimi Mai. Kirishima.
00:42:08
Speaker
I think it's Kirishima. But yeah. Yup. Kirishima. Yeah, Red Riot. They're basically just counterparts of each other. They can harden their skin to one metal or the other, and then they have like the...
00:42:24
Speaker
weird metallic jaw fixtures. Yeah. Both of them are really cool. I love how competitive they are. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice knowing how much that both the teams have improved and the new abilities that they come up with. I don't know if you noticed that Todoroki could actually fly now. So they go into that a little bit. He was flying alongside Hawks, as I recall. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:49
Speaker
Yeah, so he's part of his agency and they go into like how he learned how to fly and how other people like develop new powers or like amped up their powers and that's Yeah, there's a I was about to say too much That was a cool setting that like you if you watch the season You you were already filled in on all that. Okay. Okay
00:43:12
Speaker
Which was the tricky thing about when the second movie came out was that it came out before season four ended. And there was stuff in the movie that hadn't happened yet. And it wasn't too spoily, but it was enough to make you just go, wait, what? When did that happen? I'm sure the manga readers got it, but as you know, I can barely read a text message, so.
00:43:40
Speaker
Yeah well I mean with the success of this movie I imagine there are more on the way and hopefully they get the dubbed version of season five done sooner rather than later so I can get current
00:43:55
Speaker
I should have said my one negative before I pulled in that cool tie-in to season five. All right, you're good. My one negative is that I absolutely loved, loved, loved the suits they were wearing in the opening. And it really bums me out that that's not canon. Because they look amazing. And they match so well. And they look so cool for all three of them. Yeah. And that was all we ever get to see.
00:44:22
Speaker
Very true, very true. It was the money shot. I'm thinking like, oh, they're going to make funkles off of this. It's going to look so sweet. I'm going to get a cool poster. That's the only time I'm seeing it. No, I'm good. You just lost a bunch of merchandising stuff off of me. They could make another appearance. You never know. You never know. But that was the money shot. Yeah. Yeah, it looked really cool.
00:44:45
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I don't know if I have anything else to say on this one. I definitely had a good time in the theater and had a good time talking about it. So we do have Young Justice season four. I know it's kind of, I feel a little bad that I have
00:45:08
Speaker
got ahead of you in terms of having, having watched parts of season four. Well, I know you're still waiting to, uh, but definitely excited to talk about that one as soon as possible. Yeah. First five episodes are up. I think when we record, there's going to be a new episode that comes out. So we might be able to knock out like six at the same time. Oh, sweet. Very good.
00:45:33
Speaker
And we'll have a Andrew Rogers join us for that. So yes. I know he's very, very Hobbs continues to message me every week. Oh, we'll have her on soon. We'll have a lot of people on. She's like, so have you watched any yet? I was like, I can now. Well, I'll have to reach out to her so she can.
00:45:50
Speaker
Let me know what she's thinking. But yeah, we'll have her on. John Irons, I mentioned, he's definitely expressed some interest there. And then I've also been, you know, slowly but surely working on my rewatch of Cowboy Bebop in preparation for the live action series on Netflix. Very good, very good. We will do our, okay, cool, cool.
00:46:12
Speaker
Well, we will do our primer episode and I'm pretty sure Brian V. Klein, Haley's co-host on source pages will join us for that one. So you can stay tuned for all that stuff. And I shouldn't say stay tuned. I should say keep tuning in. That's T-double-O-N-I-N. We're overwhelmed right now, but you all stay wound. Don't get ejected.
00:46:40
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