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EPISODE 45 - Patriots joint practice vs the Commanders! Maye vs Daniels
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Drake Maye vs Jayden Daniels
Will Campbell narrative. O line hits.
Bourne or Dugger cut???
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Setup
00:00:00
Savage Boston
right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here tonight. It is August 5th, right on the dot, 830 at night. And it is the eve of Patriots vs. Commanders joint practice, ah which is very exciting.
00:00:15
Savage Boston
um You know, this is kind of like it's fun to get back in the swing of things. I'm happy we have people interested in listening to the pod. It's been really great. um you know I think like we me and Snooty went to the scrimmage on Friday night.
00:00:31
Savage Boston
ah Brett wasn't there. He's here tonight. So again, I'm Scott. I'm the host of the podcast along with Snooty. He's a host and Brett, our friend Brett's another host.
Scrimmage Analysis: Interceptions and Offensive Struggles
00:00:39
Savage Boston
um So yeah, to begin with the scrimmage. So You know, that was pretty interesting to be there. I know it was funny. We did a couple like live streams while we were there and and some funny commentary and stuff. But we ended up catching a couple interesting clips on it.
00:00:54
Savage Boston
um You know, my first observation I thought coming out, there's some people saying that the Drake May interception he threw during the scrimmage was some sort of miscommunication.
00:01:05
Savage Boston
And I just want to clarify, and I feel like it's pretty clear in the clip, it was not a miscommunication. Like he knew where he was throwing the ball. The wide receiver knew the route he was running and he just, it was not a good throw. I mean, Alex Austin baited him and it would have been a pick six in real life. So I just wanted to to clarify that, that that, that was not a great throw.
00:01:23
Savage Boston
um Other than that, the offense and Drake seemed to just struggle. They didn't move the ball well. So um Snooty was also there. So why don't we get Snooty? Why don't you kind of ah give me your thoughts just because we're at the scrimmage Friday. what were your thoughts on the scrimmage and especially the ah offense trying to move the football?
00:01:40
Snooty
Yeah, just to kind of echo your points, I think the first pick that May threw, you could nitpick if it was his fault or Diggs or whatever. mean, it wasn't a great throw, but it was in the catch radius, I guess you could say.
00:01:50
Savage Boston
Off of Diggs, yeah.
00:01:55
Snooty
so you know, whatever. it's The other one, no, he he stared the guy down and threw it, and Austin made a great play. Even better play to slide, knowing that it would end the kill the clock. Very, very smart play.
00:02:06
Savage Boston
Headsy, very headsy.
00:02:07
Snooty
It was. Yeah. I thought Campbell looked pretty good. um The way it was kind of set up the side we were sitting, the left side of the offensive line, when May had the ball, center to left tackle was was there.
00:02:15
Bret
you
00:02:19
Snooty
And then the right and right tackle were on the other side going. So they were still on our side going the other way. um i mean, I thought there were some encouraging signs. They were only playing, you know, thud tempo. so it wasn't, you know full tackle or anything like that, but,
00:02:34
Snooty
you know it's still I know it's a scrimmage, but it's still practice. You're still looking for positive signs. You're still looking for you know certain things. and um Campbell was matched up against Anthony Jennings a few plays one-on-one.
00:02:46
Snooty
I know Anthony Jennings is not a huge sack guy, but he's a legit NFL D end. More than held his
Red Zone Woes and Team Performance Debate
00:02:52
Snooty
own. um think Someone said, i so they were talking on the radio this week, said that he didn't do well in the scrimmage.
00:02:54
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:58
Snooty
and I was like...
00:02:59
Savage Boston
I heard that too. i didn't see.
00:03:00
Snooty
I was like, he looked fine.
00:03:01
Savage Boston
thought looked fine.
00:03:02
Snooty
Like the only time he, the only time that he gave up a pressure, like I think it was the left guard stepped on his right foot and he went down and he was limping for a little bit, but you're like, yeah, you got stepped on and felt like, it's not like he got beat per se.
00:03:17
Snooty
Like he, you know, got stepped on, tripped up, fell down.
00:03:19
Savage Boston
You watch in real time and didn't think, I didn't think I saw anything special then, but he got like beat up. I listened something too. I thought it was a little confusing.
00:03:28
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, like, we're the offense struggled. I mean, they're not game planning or anything like that, but they moved it a little bit, but, you know, they struggled, especially once they got to the red zone. So there's concerns there, but it's also the first camp. We haven't even really gone halfway through camp, I don't think, in this offense. So there's going to be struggles. There's going to be ups. There's going to be downs. Plus it was split squad. So it's not like it was, you know, the entire first offense was struggling. It's like, you know, kind of split, again albeit against a split defense as well.
00:03:58
Savage Boston
I mean, our people, you know, and I'll ah'll kind of loop this in a to Brett because he wasn't at the scrimmage, but basically like the offense yesterday, i guess, had a really, really poor red zone period. I mean, like really bad. um Like Drake was fine for the most part in seven on sevens, but just had a horrific red zone period. So, I mean, again, the offense has been better and ahead of schedule, in my opinion, than what they've been. Like, is this what we should expect right now from a red zone offense? Like, is this where they should be? You know, what do you think, Brett?
00:04:28
Bret
Well, it's interesting, right? i think there's a lot of back and forth on what we're getting for results from the camp on you know who's performing on which side of the ball. Is it the offense winning the day or is a defense winning the day and where it goes?
00:04:42
Bret
I will say this time this year, it seems like there's more like positive signs from the offense but like cohesively they're not really putting it together which makes a lot of sense right there's a lot of new guys new coordinator uh when it comes to kind of early in the season defense tends to have the advantage anyway so a lot of that all makes sense for why it would be ah Yeah, the struggles in the red zone are probably the one that's going to be the most concerning because that has been our struggle for
Criticism of Boston Sports Media
00:05:14
Bret
a bit now. It was our struggle last year, too. You know, we had ability to move the ball, and I thought Drake May showed flashes of being able to get long drives, but, like, we never produced to anything. So...
00:05:26
Bret
We got to be able to find a way to draw it up and make it work. I think because it's early on, defense has the advantage, new coordinator and just, you where we're at. I'm not going sound the alarms, but I just think it's a reminder that this is going to be a building process.
00:05:43
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:05:43
Bret
Uh, I'm interested to see what comes out of joint practices because obviously you know you're two different teams doing it so schematically it could be different you're going to see different matchups etc whereas all the matchups we're seeing now it's like well how did Keon White do against Will Campbell right and it's like okay day one what do you do day two what do you do you know and and now it's going to be different right we're going to see other guys from Washington so I'm curious to see where that goes but Long story short, i think there has been enough positive signs and indicators coming out of camp thus far about offense and where they've had some bright spots, more so than in years past, which is a good sign.
00:06:25
Savage Boston
um Yeah, i agree. I mean, I think they're absolutely ahead of where they've been. i know it's not too much. you you have to get crazy excited. The last two seasons, they were so horrible on ah offense. But like it is nice that they've been ahead. i just think as the defense has tightened up a little bit in the red area, which obviously we know things condense, it's a little harder to to play down there.
00:06:45
Savage Boston
they They really struggled, especially yesterday. So um they're going to have to work on that. um What I want to jump into quick next is is this has been like – This has been... It's not even a narrative per se. like I know it's been a talking point since Will Campbell got drafted.
00:06:59
Savage Boston
But Will Campbell getting trashed on sports media. So it's kind of like we have we have competing narratives now. like We have the Felger and Maz show...
00:07:10
Savage Boston
which we all know about, we expect their takes to be like, let's let's find the third rail. Let's find what people are going to get angry about, right? So let's let's hammer after Will Campbell. He had a couple couple tough practices. Let's hammer him and say that um he needs to be a guard already, something like that, right?
00:07:26
Savage Boston
And then you look at you know Andy Hart, who, again, I'll engage with this him too. like he's He's fine. I have no problem with Andy. But he's saying like this might be the worst O-line. You've got two shows now that are like trying to do the same thing. And I love Fitzy. And I know that's not what Fitzy's all about.
00:07:44
Savage Boston
Fitzy's a great guy. But like it just feels it feels um disingenuous that both shows are competing to make the most outrageous take.
00:07:51
Snooty
Thank you.
00:07:54
Savage Boston
ah not just the old line, but on Will Campbell. And I don't think he's earned that. Like, yeah should
Media's Impact on Public Perception
00:08:01
Savage Boston
you have like a modicum of respect for the guy for what he did in college and now getting drafted at fourth? And like, can you give him a minute to learn and,
00:08:11
Savage Boston
And I said a a week ago, you're allowed to be concerned. And I meant that. You are allowed to be concerned. But I don't think dumping on the guy daily because people will call into your show, like that doesn't feel – I know this is a rant right now. But like that doesn't feel the most – I don't know.
00:08:28
Savage Boston
It doesn't feel truthful, you know?
00:08:28
Bret
Well, and i'll get I get the response that you get, right? We're a sports show. We got to talk about news today.
00:08:34
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:34
Bret
so we're going to critique it to what the sample size we have. fair but you also have to be mindful about like players and how they develop and recognizing the fact that like you can't making a hard stance and declaring it as being a bad pick or declaring it as though this is like their old line took a step back and they're not going to be like better than when they were last year which was bottom of the league like it's just it's just not realistic right and like that's the part where I looked at
00:09:02
Savage Boston
He's 21 years old, mind you.
00:09:10
Bret
Yeah, and and by all accounts, like everyone says, well, if it doesn't work out at left tackle, I can't find a single person that would say the guy's not a Hall of Fame quality guard. right So he can play in the fucking NFL. like He did it in the SEC for years.
00:09:28
Bret
like I have no doubt the guy can play in the NFL.
00:09:30
Savage Boston
Yes. Yes.
00:09:32
Bret
I've questioned him at a left tackle and being able to be that kind of stalwart guy that you would traditionally see at the fourth pick.
00:09:32
Savage Boston
yes
00:09:40
Bret
But we've also talked about, like, you you take what the cards are dealt with you, and this guy is still going to be an NFL caliber guy. And we've made improvements throughout the roster and the offensive line, too, that I just have a hard time buying into that.
00:09:55
Bret
And it kind of circles back to what we talked about last week when There was so much hype about you know where he did with one-on-ones and then how the offensive line did when there's no pads. It's like, well what the fuck do you want him to do?
00:10:07
Bret
you know They're just not going to be able to produce.
00:10:07
Savage Boston
yeah
00:10:08
Bret
So it's just it's overreactionary, which drives me insane this time of year, but it sells, right, his ratings.
00:10:18
Snooty
And like, I've spoken at length about how I feel about Campbell. Like, I'm not going to ride the wave. Like, it is what it is. I'm not going get into that. I have a bigger issue with Boston sports media in general.
00:10:29
Snooty
I think it's fucking cowardice to fucking just shit on everything that happens just to, like, that's your take.
00:10:36
Savage Boston
To drive a show.
00:10:36
Snooty
I'm just going to shit. I'm a fucking coward because I'm just going to fucking shit on everything. Because statistically, you're going to be right more often than you are wrong, right? So it's like, it's easy to just shit on everything and just piss people off.
00:10:48
Snooty
Like, you're not an analyst. You don't know fucking sports. You're just a piece of shit who just fucking yells shit on the radio just to get people to listen to you. blah Like, that's not, that it doesn't take anything. It doesn't take an ounce of intelligence. You just say, hey, what did they do?
00:11:02
Snooty
Yeah, that sucks. He fucking sucks. He's going to be terrible. Like, you there were people in the stands being like... I can see his arms are are, you know, little bit shorter when he's in a stance. I'm like, you're like 200 feet away from the guy.
00:11:14
Snooty
You can tell a fucking inch from 200 feet away.
00:11:15
Savage Boston
Yeah, we were making jokes about that.
00:11:16
Snooty
What the fuck, dude? Like, are you kidding me? Like, and it's all because people buy into this like, oh, well, that's what they said on the radio and blah, blah, blah. It's like, you're a fucking coward, dude. Actually come up with a real take every once in a while develop a real take that, oh my God.
00:11:31
Snooty
might actually be positive or might have a positive outcome. And if you're wrong, I'll actually, I'll hold you in higher esteem at that point because you're actually critically thinking and trying to come up with something that might be right. It might be wrong.
00:11:43
Snooty
I don't know.
00:11:43
Savage Boston
Well, Well, hold on.
00:11:44
Snooty
Instead of just shitting on everybody.
00:11:44
Savage Boston
there You know what? It was Karabas, baseball guy, right? Karabas, Red Sox guy, was on with Andy Hart recently. Okay. He did a segment because they had some sort of beef online, right?
00:11:55
Savage Boston
don't need to get into the beef. Anyway, the criticism, I thought it was an interesting segment because the criticism, like Karabas was saying, it's really easy um you know to to to slam someone when something's wrong or when they mess up or or when they're off or their sources are wrong. You slam them.
00:12:12
Savage Boston
But the the credit is never near as high as the noise is when you're wrong than when you're right.
00:12:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:12:18
Savage Boston
Like if you actually get something, you're proving to be right. oh my my source was correct. Oh, I knew this. We were on this. No one gives a shit. They're like, oh, okay. But when you're wrong that one time, everyone gets so loud and smashes you. It's like, it's what pisses me off. There's no, and this is in no way talking about myself or us. I'm literally talking about just general in general, just takes on the internet.
00:12:39
Savage Boston
Like you're wrong once it's like people crush you and then you could be right 99 times and no one's like, everyone's like, whatever.
00:12:40
Snooty
yeah
00:12:47
Savage Boston
Like they don't give a shit. It's just maybe how human nature is. Um, but it creates a, a shitty landscape. Like you should have a tally like How many times are you right versus wrong? And if you're right more than you're wrong, congratulations.
00:12:59
Savage Boston
Because it's just pissing me off.
00:13:01
Snooty
It's not even, to me, it's not even right or wrong. It's like, how did you come to the take? Like when, like, I know Bedard's super negative, but he had the thing about, like, I don't know I think the camp's not being, you know, physical enough or whatever to...
00:13:14
Snooty
to readap Okay, but at least he's taking taking what he's viewing, he's taking what he's viewing and and analyzing that and, you know, thinking critically on that and producing some type of hypothesis.
00:13:14
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:17
Savage Boston
It's a valid take. Yeah.
00:13:25
Snooty
I'm not going to shit on him for that. it I'm definitely not going to shit on him if he's wrong or right. Like, it's just... Okay. But, like... If you just every time, everything they do, everyone they draft sucks. Everyone, they like, everything they do sucks.
00:13:37
Snooty
Every coach they hire sucks. Every player that does anything sucks. It's like, you know, like, what are you even doing?
00:13:43
Savage Boston
Yeah, but you know why that worked? For 20 years.
00:13:46
Snooty
Because they were.
00:13:46
Savage Boston
Why that worked was because the Patriots were so brutally dominant for two decades that they kept saying over and over, they're going to lose it.
00:13:52
Snooty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:55
Savage Boston
Brady doesn't have it. They should trade them. They kept saying over and over. And it's like when they're as the bad guys, quote unquote, are continuously so wrong, the public loves it because they get to hate. Listen,
00:14:07
Savage Boston
They listened in like, look how stupid Felger sounds today.
00:14:07
Snooty
I
00:14:10
Savage Boston
Just wait. And then the fan was proved right over and over again. Brady just kept winning all the time. So it's crazy.
00:14:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:14:17
Savage Boston
But now that act gets tired when your team sucks and you listen to radio. They're like, yeah, the team sucks. And then you watch a game. You're like, yep, this team sucks. Nobody gives a fuck. Nobody wants to watch. So that only works when you have an excellent organization to be the crap parade. This is why people are are are not happy with the show right now.
00:14:36
Savage Boston
They don't want to listen to it. They'd rather listen. Like some people switch EEI. Some people listen to other outlets. I don't think they want just like – this why this Will Campbell stuff has got us crazy. Like you listen today and it's like the hour-long segment on how he can't play already – And they're joking, his arms are short and I see it. Oh, he looks short. And it's like, well, I don't know. I think it's, I think it's bizarre. I think it's a bizarre segment. Like they're trying to figure out where do we go now? Like they're looking for their new third rail topic that they can hammer. And Will Campbell is it because it generates intrigue and people ah people are calling it.
00:15:09
Savage Boston
But it's it's making me insane.
00:15:09
Bret
Who's it going to be after Will Campbell? Who's who's their next scapegoat on the pass?
00:15:16
Savage Boston
Drake May. I mean, it'll be Drake May.
00:15:17
Snooty
be
00:15:18
Savage Boston
And like, oh, May good enough.
00:15:19
Bret
Yeah.
00:15:20
Savage Boston
Oh, too many turnovers. Like, what's enough for them? Like, if he throws 28 touchdowns and 10 picks, and by all accounts, almost everyone's like, wow, great, he's really stepping up. They're going to be like, don't trust him.
00:15:30
Savage Boston
You know, there's always a negative take slant you can take, no matter what.
00:15:34
Snooty
I think it reached a peak. like, like high comedy really was when i think it was that Bruin season when they, they won the president's trophy and had like, whatever they were, they openly complained about having nothing to complain about.
00:15:44
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:15:48
Bret
I remember that.
00:15:48
Snooty
And you're like, all right, like, you know, come on, you know, like you're saying the quiet part out loud here, guys.
00:15:49
Savage Boston
yeah
00:15:51
Savage Boston
but This is boring. We have nothing we can get mad about.
00:15:55
Snooty
Like, you know, you can, i don't know, maybe critique something, like nitpick at least that, that like something.
00:15:55
Bret
yeah
00:16:00
Savage Boston
That's why like there's all these skits and you can keep listening to them dumpster the line. like You can say, well, the lo the old line might be worse than ever, but then actually look at the players. They're going to have four ah four different starters this year than last year and upgrade in like four different positions.
00:16:17
Savage Boston
So what did you want them to do? Other than, again, should signed Joe Tooney. Going to say it every fucking show. Should have signed Joe Tooney. Traded for Joe Tooney.
00:16:24
Bret
and boom and They only got that fifth.
00:16:25
Savage Boston
Anyway, what do you – but what do you want? They changed four out of five offensive linemen. Like what are we – can't you just say, yeah, that was that was valid.
00:16:32
Snooty
Yeah.
00:16:35
Savage Boston
Like that was – you know, Elliott Wolfe and Vrabel, Stretch, all those guys.
00:16:39
Bret
can't.
00:16:39
Savage Boston
Cowden, they identified the fucking problem. They're trying to fix the problem.
00:16:43
Bret
Again, I mean, we've talked about it at length. I think the guys that they we wanted them to go after, they went after. And I don't think they went low ball at any of them. So, like, I think they were competitive. They were legit.
00:16:55
Bret
It's not like the fucking Red Sox where they're like, oh, yeah, we're in on this guy. And then they were nowhere near the conversation. Like, the Pats were literally in on it. And, like, it's the same idea the draft. They took the cards that were dealt.
00:17:07
Bret
And they made the right moves. I think they did what they could. You harp on the left guard. i get it. I don't think it was as pressing of an issue. I still think they should be active the actively looking, but like there's only so much you can do. like You need to have a partner to make a trade.
00:17:24
Bret
Oh. Yeah.
00:17:24
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:24
Bret
know so
00:17:24
Savage Boston
It's also not as pressing if Jared Wilson is going to be a bona fide left guard. Then all a sudden it's not as pressing.
00:17:29
Bret
oh
00:17:31
Savage Boston
Do you know what mean?
00:17:31
Bret
yeah
00:17:32
Snooty
And so, and the other thing is Marcus Bryan was getting, I know they got Morgan Moses on the, you know, the ah have the vet, you know, rest routine or whatever, but Marcus Bryan, a third rookie out of Missouri, seventh round pick, I believe.
00:17:36
Savage Boston
I saw that.
00:17:45
Savage Boston
Imagine if you draft three out of five-year-old linemen somehow.
00:17:46
Bret
but
00:17:48
Snooty
You know, I mean, like, yeah, he's of Missouri.
00:17:49
Bret
Isn't he out of Missouri?
00:17:49
Savage Boston
Like, that's a dream.
00:17:50
Bret
He's a kid out Missouri. Opposite member of the
00:17:53
Snooty
He was a left tackle. they're They're flipping them to the to right tackle um because they're not moving Campbell. But like,
00:17:58
Savage Boston
Big guy.
00:17:59
Snooty
You know, I mean, that's three rookies. Like, a lot of bad shit's going to happen if three rookies are playing on the O-line. Like, that's just going to fucking happen, guys. And I think it's about fans having an honest assessment of where they are.
00:18:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:18:10
Snooty
Where it's like, look, they were hot dog shit last year. Everywhere. Right? Like, and are they going to be better this year? she By... by just sheer investment in different positions. Like look at the old line. Like I feel better about right tackle, even if Morgan Moses can't play because you have Marcus Bryant, who I think is better than Devontree Jacobs.
00:18:28
Snooty
And you have a Darian low who I know is better than Devontree Jacobs.
00:18:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:18:32
Snooty
And again, is he like a guy you want to build around? No, but is he better than, you know, the worst right tackle in the league? Yeah, he's better.
00:18:40
Savage Boston
Lowe is serviceable.
00:18:40
Snooty
I'm not looking for good. He's, he's, he's a, he could be a fine swing tackle.
00:18:42
Savage Boston
He's a serviceable tackle. He's not horrible. He can't run block, but he can't run block.
00:18:46
Snooty
Like that's all fine.
00:18:48
Savage Boston
I mean his run block rates are horrific.
00:18:48
Bret
well
00:18:48
Snooty
That's yeah. No, I get that.
00:18:50
Savage Boston
He can pass block, okay.
00:18:50
Snooty
I understand. There's a reason he's not the starter.
00:18:53
Savage Boston
Yeah, go for it.
00:18:53
Snooty
There's a reason but they booted his ass from left tackle multiple times.
00:18:56
Bret
Well, I'll just say this, because i don't want to be too pie in the sky.
00:18:56
Savage Boston
Yes. yeah go for it yeah
00:19:00
Bret
We do have to fucking hit on one of these guys. Like, they do have to produce. Like, yeah, obviously, if we get a guy like Marcus Bryant picked in the seventh round that can become a starting caliber right tackle, it's a fucking home run all day.
00:19:06
Savage Boston
yes
00:19:13
Savage Boston
That's a home run.
00:19:14
Bret
But, like, I wouldn't bank on that.
00:19:15
Snooty
Right.
00:19:17
Bret
And, you know, I wouldn't bank on any of these guys.
00:19:18
Snooty
No.
00:19:21
Bret
it's It's really too soon to tell.
Trade Speculations and Player Performance
00:19:23
Bret
we need to hit because this is what puts us in holes when don't hit in the draft because you can't dig yourself out of it through free agency. So you got to hit on these guys.
00:19:33
Bret
We have a lot of high hopes on these guys and similar to free agency. Like, I think we all looked at the draft and said, yeah, those were good picks. We liked the picks. We liked the direction. We like where they're going.
00:19:43
Bret
And they have even that a safety that they picked out Cal is starting to get reps over Duggar.
00:19:47
Snooty
whats
00:19:48
Savage Boston
Yeah, I was about to talk about, i was going to bring that up up next.
00:19:49
Bret
So
00:19:52
Bret
yeah, go for it.
00:19:53
Savage Boston
um But right before that, remember the O-line in 2018, I looked it up.
00:19:53
Bret
Go for it.
00:19:57
Savage Boston
Left tackle, Trent Brown, left guard, Joe Tooney, center, David Andrews, right guard, Shaq Mason, and right tackle was Marcus Cannon. So aside from like Marcus Cannon, four to five of those guys, Marcus Cannon was fine in that year, but he was not what Trent Brown was.
00:20:10
Snooty
we won i will I will not stand for any Marcus Cannon shaming.
00:20:14
Savage Boston
I'm just saying he wasn't close to what Trent Brown did. Trent Brown was one of the most dominant linemen in football that year. I mean, they had such ah an incredible line. I mean, that's how they ran through the playoffs.
00:20:25
Savage Boston
I mean, literally, like, anyway, I just wanted to like just give a comparison to the line now from, like, 2018 when they had a really talented offensive line. um Anyway, yeah, so Brett alluded to it and i I wanted to touch on it was couple, you could say surprise or not really. Like when I've done my my roster write-ups, these were a couple fringe players that we've thought have been fringe for a while.
00:20:47
Savage Boston
One is Kendrick Bourne and it's feeling like A, it's not Bourne's fault that he got rolled up on and he's a little injured now. But feeling like he was a smidge on the outs before this.
00:20:59
Savage Boston
He's a little slower than on some of the guys. Yeah, he's a veteran, but he's a little slower. He's not standing out in practice. He does not have a ceiling. Like he's just going to be going, you know, he's past the prime.
00:21:10
Savage Boston
So Bourne is a really massive cut candidate. Maybe trade, but I don't know who's going to give you a seventh for Bourne. um So that's a big cut candidate. The other one, the big one is Kyle Duggar.
00:21:22
Savage Boston
And people didn't talk about the money enough today. I listened to, maybe they did on the radio. I tweeted this earlier and I thought the money is important. um For post June 1st cut for Kyle Duggar, if you cut him this year, you take on 14 million of dead cap, which they're not going to want to do.
00:21:38
Savage Boston
um If you trade him after 6-1 this year, it's only 4 million of dead cap. So it's a pretty big difference. So they could easily, like Kyle Duggar to me, could be on the trade block because the money makes sense.
00:21:51
Savage Boston
And I just don't, unless he has a massive turnaround, like I'm not seeing it, man. he I don't see it in practice. Certainly I know was hurt last year. It wasn't last year. He didn't show it. So I don't know.
00:22:02
Bret
Thank you.
00:22:03
Savage Boston
I'm waiting for 20 whatever Kyle Duggar to show up, but it doesn't feel like it's going to happen. So i don't know. How you guys feeling about, guess, Snooty, don't you go first on Borden and Duggar and the kind of fringe guys?
00:22:14
Snooty
So, I mean, for Duggar, they'll save $10 million if they're able to trade him, but they'll only save a million if they cut him. So that's that's what it is. So because his cap hit, I think, is like 15 and change right now.
00:22:24
Snooty
So 14 of that will stay if they cut him. And so they'll only get the $1 million cap savings. Look, I mean, I think that's the type of guy who's expendable. I don't know what his type of impact or influence is in the locker room. That's something you kind of have to consider a little bit, given it's a very, very young room, very, very, you know, um A defense that's trying to learn and trying to forge new leaders and things like that.
00:22:49
Snooty
For Bourne, I said this beginning at camp. I thought, you know, is it out of the realm of possibility that Polk – I said Polk, but it might be Baker – like, show more than Bourne does in camp. Like, would it really surprise you if that was the case? And, like, it didn't. Like, if he's not – he's been running exclusively with the twos.
00:23:04
Snooty
If he's not going to show anything, especially if he gets hurt – Right. And if someone like Baker is actually able to show that he can, you know, string some level of consistency here, then, you know, the upside with Baker is there.
00:23:16
Snooty
It's more than with Bourne. So I think that's very, very likely that that could happen. Anthony Jennings is another one that that we've talked about, you know being on the cut.
00:23:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:25
Snooty
Tavai, he could be, or Tavai, whatever, he could be on the, um he could be on the trade block, on the trade block, you know,
00:23:32
Savage Boston
Before we throw it to, to, to Brett for the answer, just, these were the top six today. And again, Warren got rolled up on, but it was, you know, Diggs, Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams, Kayshawn Booty, Matt Collins, and Javon Baker sneaking in there instead of like Polk or Chisholm. Those were the top six. So i How do you feel about that, Brett?
00:23:50
Bret
Yeah, I mean, the interesting part was when Matt Collins came back, they like Bourne just immediately like went off to the sideline and Matt got immediate reps with the ones and going through. So now Bourne essentially hasn't really worked too much with the ones so far to this point, which is never a good sign for a guy like that.
00:24:11
Bret
ah Yeah, he's aging. Now he's got this injury. I've always been in the position that either Booty or Bourne was going to be traded at the outset. um i think Booty's probably the one that's probably surprised me the most so far in camp thus far because he's getting a lot of consistent reps with the ones, and I think he'll be pretty – I actually – I'm surprised how much he's being utilized. So, yeah, I see Bourne on the out.
00:24:36
Bret
Duggar, conversely, i think the guy stays. I know we've talked about this before on who stays, who goes. I just look at it and say, what's the – you know I don't know what they would get for a trade return for a guy like that.
00:24:48
Bret
i don't imagine it's much. They need fucking depth, and they need, got like
00:24:53
Savage Boston
like a salary dump again.
00:24:55
Bret
Yeah, it's a salary dump for a team that doesn't need a dumb salary. And you need depth.
00:25:00
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:25:00
Bret
You need vets. If he's a good locker room guy and he's buying into Rabel's script, I see no value in them cutting him.
00:25:02
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:25:07
Bret
Or, well, in this case, they would trade him. So I see no value there. And I think if they were going to do it, they would have done it sooner. i don't see that being a player that they would do now. Whereas like a guy like a Tavai or an Anthony Jennings, I could potentially see those guys go.
00:25:21
Bret
i think Ultimately, I think Duggar's on the roster throughout the year.
00:25:26
Snooty
a dude booty booty's like a cat like every time you think he's dead he's just got another life pop like he's just he's got nine lives man like and my hats off to him like he had the gambling thing he was in the doghouse that first year with belichick like like he just shows up he works hard he produces when he's in the game like may seems to trust him obviously like he's made some plays like the guys you know like him like mean you know hats off to him the guy's worked his ass off to get where he is
00:25:28
Bret
Thank you.
00:25:31
Savage Boston
yeah He's balling.
00:25:52
Bret
I mean, as soon as he was picked, i was right away, I was like, love the pick. You know, low-risk, high-reward type guy. We got him in the sixth round, like, showed a ton of flash when he was at LSU, had the injury-prone issue. Like, know, things happen, right?
00:26:08
Bret
But, like, you look at a guy like that, again, that's produced at a high level at SEC, LSU fucking football, like, known for producing these guys, and you're like...
00:26:20
Bret
Well, you know, you get him a six-round, you see what you get. And, yeah, I think the guy has taken advantage of his opportunities that he's had here. Stupid with the gambling thing and his professional career. I mean, really just immature move.
00:26:32
Bret
But it's immaturity. I mean, this is what you get when you get these young 20-something-year-old kids that come out out of college they get all this money and they're just stupid.
00:26:37
Savage Boston
He's, first of all, Booty's young. mean, he's really young.
00:26:41
Snooty
Yeah.
00:26:41
Bret
he's He's younger Polk and Baker.
00:26:41
Savage Boston
I mean, like,
00:26:45
Savage Boston
I mean, i'm just going to look at his age real quick now. So he's 23.
00:26:49
Snooty
Yep.
00:26:49
Savage Boston
So like, here's the deal. Booty, for for some reason, just keeps playing well. Period.
00:26:57
Snooty
yep
00:26:57
Savage Boston
All the time. Every practice, scrimmage, games, it doesn't seem to matter. i was like, okay, is he on the fringe? And now he's not. You can't remove him. He's good every practice.
00:27:10
Savage Boston
He has a rapport with Drake. He beats people in one-on-one coverage. He beats people in goal routes. He beats Derek Stingley in a game. you know like He just makes plays. And you need someone like that.
00:27:22
Savage Boston
You need a guy who just knows how to get open and to be a baller. And I think he's got to the point now that I'm 100% sure that he'll be on the roster.
00:27:30
Snooty
Yeah.
00:27:30
Savage Boston
You cannot remove Booty.
00:27:30
Snooty
yeah
00:27:30
Bret
Yeah.
00:27:32
Savage Boston
I think Jalen Polker having like one good practice, okay, like that that doesn't sell me anything. I think Javon Baker Bourne, born and that And Chisholm, like that's an interesting discussion. But I think Vrabel sees the side. Like Baker's actually pretty big. He's like six one six two Like he's a big guy, an athletic guy.
00:27:52
Snooty
explosive.
00:27:52
Savage Boston
I think, yeah, he's explosive. Vrabel sees it and goes, you know what? Let's keep this guy. He is fast, explosive, and has a lot of talent. Yeah, is he a fuck-up? Yeah.
00:28:03
Savage Boston
Probably a fuck up. He's got a weird attitude stuff going on. Everyone's flagged it. I hope he matures, but the guy has crazy ability. And, um, and I think variable is going to go with that.
00:28:13
Savage Boston
So I, and I don't know how Chisholm at this point, like where can he make it on special teams?
00:28:15
Bret
Thank you.
00:28:19
Savage Boston
Like, can he do something there? Return punts? Like, I don't know what Chisholm is going to do. Can he be a practice squad guy? You know, I don't know where they fit him. There's too many. The room is like too busy at the bottom couple spots.
00:28:30
Snooty
Well, and can like along those lines, like Baker's been working with the gunners and stuff. Like, so Baker's doing a lot of this stuff that like Polk's not going to be a gunner, right? Like Chisholm's not going to gunner, right? So like if he's doing those types of things where he can get a special teams role, that's how you get active on game day, right? Like over a guy like Kyle Williams, maybe who they say, oh, you're not ready. Rook, like, you know, so you're obviously on the roster, but you maybe you don't dress on game day. and Maybe Baker does because he contributes on special teams.
00:28:56
Snooty
I don't know.
00:28:56
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's it's been, you know, it's obviously been one of the biggest talking points about camp. And I think it's been, um i think it's clear that Booty has put himself put himself heads and shoulders like into the conversation.
00:29:11
Savage Boston
Like he needs time
Trade Rumors and Team Strategy
00:29:12
Savage Boston
on the field. It's not even like, it's not debatable. Not even wide receiver six. Like he needs to be on the field and catching balls, which would be great.
00:29:18
Bret
Yep.
00:29:19
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think um you know some talk, obviously, the last week, we've touched on it before. There's still rumors about like Terry McLaurin and trades and stuff like that. And like everyone, like Giardi said today something like ah he gives it a 0.0% chance of happening. like most people Somebody else, I forget who it was. Maybe like Phil Perry, I forget. There were... um giving it like 5%. Like yeah everyone's extremely, extremely low, basically because long story short, the commanders are refusing to engage with people on Terry McLaurin. So if you can't even make an offer, then you can't get the player.
00:29:58
Savage Boston
So, and if, and if you can make an offer, I certainly don't want to trade Stefan Diggs and I don't want to trade a first round pick. And that's what people are floating. Like Burt Breer had an article about that. That's what people are floating. Like that's not who I'm interested in trading.
00:30:16
Bret
No, I mean, no way would I trade a first round and no way would I trade Diggs. Look, I think I would fucking love Terry McLaurin.
00:30:27
Bret
It's just the fact that it hasn't happened and it's been so under the hood about it since he like said he wanted a trade tells me that it was a negotiating tactic and they're talking.
00:30:39
Bret
you know i I see Washington finding a way to...
00:30:40
Savage Boston
you
00:30:44
Bret
Kind of come to some appeasement here to get the guys some money. um you know I don't know. But the reports are that they're off by $10 million per. And essentially, the guy's looking for closer to $30 million.
00:30:57
Bret
And they're looking at closer to $20-ish. And they he they'll give them an extension, but they want to be in like that $20-ish range. Yeah. So we'll see ultimately where he ends up and how it goes. I just think if it was going to happen, it would have happened.
00:31:11
Bret
The fact that it hasn't happened just tells me there's the probably it was a negotiating tactic and the two parties are talking.
00:31:20
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, giving up a first-round pick for a 30-year-old receiver is just bad business. Like, if you're the Chiefs, fine, right?
00:31:25
Savage Boston
Bad business.
00:31:28
Snooty
Because, like, you know, you had some issues at receiver, and, like, you're a legitimate Super Bowl contender, right? So, like, it's a late bird.
00:31:34
Savage Boston
They also are in like a shorter window, you know what I mean?
00:31:36
Snooty
Right. It's a late first round pick, but you're in that, you are in that fucking window. The Patriots are like at least two years away from being in that window. And we just said, you need to hit on draft picks.
00:31:47
Snooty
You don't hit on draft picks by trading premium draft picks away. Like that's not smart business for a ah rebuilding team.
00:31:51
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:53
Snooty
Like it's just not. right There's a different argument if it's Micah Parsons because he's he's four years younger, you know plays, ah I would argue, a more premium position. So it's a little bit different, but it's also a lot more expensive to get in terms of draft capital.
00:32:07
Snooty
But like...
00:32:07
Savage Boston
Michael Parsons is is the real deal.
00:32:10
Snooty
Yeah.
00:32:11
Savage Boston
Real deal. But like, you know, we had talked about this previously. you you need to You need to trade so many assets for that player that like to me it's just too daunting.
00:32:17
Snooty
Two ones and a three.
00:32:18
Bret
Thank
00:32:23
Savage Boston
Like honestly, like you're really going to give up two first-round picks on a team that has not enough young talent.
00:32:23
Snooty
Yeah.
00:32:29
Savage Boston
Like it's just not the place, dude.
00:32:29
Snooty
Yeah.
00:32:31
Savage Boston
Like he should go to – go to the 49ers, go to the cheat. Like, you know what i mean? Go to the Eagles, whoever wants to trade for you, but go to a team that's trying to win the Superbowl next year, the commanders, right. go to a team that's like desperate to make a push and win now, but like the Patriots, yeah, they want to win, but they're absolutely not mortgaging the future. Like this, this team would be very happy with the 98 season.
00:32:55
Savage Boston
This year's Patriots would be very happy with that.
00:32:57
Snooty
That's real growth.
00:32:57
Savage Boston
And, um, Yeah, it's it's a lot more games won. It's real growth. and ah but But I just – I mean mark first of all, I think Jerry Jones is an absolute idiot.
00:33:07
Savage Boston
I don't know how you could leave that dude in charge. Like not like it's anyone's choice. It's his choice. He owns a team. But like i don't know. There's no one so way to vote him out. There's no way to be like you can't be GM anymore.
00:33:20
Savage Boston
Like the guys – it's been a dumpster fire organization since the mid-90s.
00:33:25
Snooty
Well, it's just like, how many times do have to take a premium player to the 11th hour to get a contract done when it's like literally the most expensive time to sign that player?
00:33:31
Savage Boston
Every player he does it.
00:33:35
Snooty
He took Dak there. He took CeeDee Lamb there. He took a handful of O'Lyman there. And now he's taking Micah Parsons there. It's like, or he took Ezekiel Elliott there. Like, are you fucking stupid?
00:33:45
Snooty
Like, if you sign him earlier, you get it better. It ages better if you sign him earlier.
00:33:50
Bret
Well, the stupid thing is, is like you look at the Dak situation, right? He's like overpaying for Dak. So it's like, if you had done it sooner, you would have been better business strategy.
00:34:01
Bret
But because you're waiting so long, it's not a good move. Now, I will i will say, like the trigger point with the press conference and how Jerry talked about him, about Micah and Dak, and about the injury last year and whatnot, like...
00:34:19
Bret
It wasn't said in the best way. i also don't think he was like totally incorrect in what he was saying.
00:34:21
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:34:25
Bret
I kind of understood what he was getting at, which is essentially like, yeah, you can invest and pay top dollar for this guy, but there's no guarantee he's going to be on the field. So that becomes an issue. They get injured.
00:34:36
Bret
He said it in a very poor Jerry Jones-like manner, and it pissed the player off.
NFL Team Strategies and Management Styles
00:34:42
Bret
And it's in a process where he's already, as Micah talked about, been like,
00:34:48
Bret
advocating to get signed so he's pissed to begin with and then he just throws you know fuel on the fire to basically say something like that so it was it's stupid it's a dumb business tactic and i just don't understand why he's doing it and yeah i think my i mean good for micah for standing up and basically saying fuck you i'm out and i hope he sticks to it because i would hate for him to just turn around and sign back with freaking dallas
00:35:13
Savage Boston
Well, not to go on about the Cowboys, but like isn't this wouldn't this be a good time for them to maybe – get some first round picks and it maybe be trade Micah and like have some sort of mini rebuild. Like, wouldn't that be a, maybe a better time or do you hold out hope that Dak is going to develop into some incredible cut quarterback? You know what i mean? Cause they get to the playoffs and they shit their pants first round guaranteed. Like they've gotten blown out. Like it's, it's, it's been great. Like if you're a Cowboys fans, I'm sure it can tell you all about it.
00:35:41
Savage Boston
It's been a bad go for them. ah Just like Jets fans this week. Total tangent, but Connor Hughes, I believe is the reporter from the Jets, reporting on their offense and their bra they' like mini scrimmages.
00:35:54
Savage Boston
It is bleak stuff from Justin Fields.
00:35:54
Snooty
Thank you.
00:35:56
Savage Boston
I mean, that might be a historically bad offense. And they have – who's their OC? Like, I don't even know who the offensive mind is there. But, like, ah if if you're a Jets fan, you've got to say, like, that reminds me of, like, last year's Pat's offense.
00:36:10
Savage Boston
Like they they're not even remotely close.
00:36:12
Bret
But it's a...
00:36:13
Savage Boston
And Justin Fields is is ah is a backup. Guys were high on him, but he's a backup quarterback. So not sure what you're going get from the Jets this year. Probably not a ton.
00:36:21
Bret
but it's It's a good reminder not to do what the be the Jets did, which is they went for broke. They got Aaron Rodgers. They had Morgan Moses as their right tackle.
00:36:29
Savage Boston
my God.
00:36:32
Bret
They had the left tackle whose name's escaping me that used to play for Dallas. Tyron Smith, right?
00:36:36
Savage Boston
ty Tyron Smith.
00:36:36
Snooty
I was terrible.
00:36:37
Bret
like So they got all these aging players. They traded all their youth, and all of a sudden they're like, oh, the team sucks, and they they mortgaged their future for for that.
00:36:43
Savage Boston
Thank
00:36:46
Bret
And it's like, this is why...
00:36:47
Savage Boston
But I applaud them for ila them for trying that because the organization has been such a dumpster for so – for 50 years. It's like they're like, okay, we can get Rodgers.
00:36:58
Savage Boston
Let's just try to see if we can excite the fan base because otherwise they just ah perpetually suck. And so now it almost feels like they're just back to their suck ways. Like that's what the reports are. Like everyone likes Aaron Glenn as a coach, but – What is he doing? i mean, maybe there'll be a lot better than we think and their defense has some talent, but like you'd need an offense.
00:37:20
Savage Boston
They don't have one. And it's going to be, I think a really rough year for them on offense.
00:37:25
Bret
Well, and they don't have a plan for offense. But, yeah, I i just think it's a good reminder as to being like, yeah you always have to plan in place and and you don't want to mortgage it. So when you look at the Pats prospects and what we're looking at, like, yeah, you want to get a guy like Terry McClure. And I'd be good with a two, but I wouldn't trade a one.
00:37:45
Bret
And the reason why is because I don't want to mortgage future.
00:37:46
Savage Boston
yeah
00:37:48
Snooty
The Jets are not dissimilar from how the Steelers, the Jets last year are not dissimilar for our from how the Steelers are this year.
00:37:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:37:55
Snooty
which is like, well, we fucking blew it with our quarterback. Like we drafted a young quarterback. It didn't work out like,
00:38:01
Savage Boston
They blew it.
00:38:02
Snooty
Yeah, like shit. So you're sitting there.
00:38:03
Bret
Thank you.
00:38:04
Snooty
So you go, all right, I'm going to sign the aging veteran because like the alternatives are, don't know, nothing. like you You don't do anything else. you don't There is no other option. And if going to do that, you're going to sign 40-year-old quarterback, you go, well, fuck it. Let's just get a bunch of older guys here and see if we can at least make a run because they have talent on defense. The Steelers have talent on defense. The Jets have and had last year real legitimate talent on defense.
00:38:27
Snooty
But, you know, like, there's that's a huge roll the dice. But, like, what's your alternative? Just, like, pack it in and just accept the fact that you're going to have a dogshit offense for a year? That's what the Jets are doing this year.
00:38:36
Bret
it's it's the
00:38:36
Savage Boston
I actually Yeah, and they should have rebuilt then instead of – yeah.
00:38:38
Bret
It's the Pats deciding to sign Cam Newton for a year on a bridge year to try and figure out what the fuck they're doing because they didn't have a fucking plan.
00:38:45
Snooty
Yes.
00:38:47
Bret
Yeah.
00:38:48
Snooty
Yeah. No, they should have torn it down.
00:38:48
Savage Boston
But I think if you're Pittsburgh, I don't know how you could possibly just have faith. I mean they literally have one year because Rodgers is retiring. So they literally are like, okay, we got one year to win a Super Bowl.
Quarterback Selection and Draft Strategies
00:38:59
Savage Boston
And it's like they weren't even particularly close.
00:38:59
Bret
Yeah.
00:39:01
Savage Boston
I guess congrats them if they miraculously find their way there. Doesn't feel like it.
00:39:06
Snooty
But again, like, but what's your alternative? Like you, what other quarterback were you going to target?
00:39:08
Savage Boston
Well, they blew it. They have no plan. I mean, like you said, they fucked up drafting quarterbacks.
00:39:10
Snooty
Right.
00:39:12
Savage Boston
They tried a couple. They had like Kenny Pickett. They like tried a couple times.
00:39:14
Snooty
Yeah.
00:39:15
Savage Boston
They had Mason Rudolph. like They just had this string of horrible quarterbacks in no direction on offense.
00:39:21
Bret
Thank you.
00:39:21
Savage Boston
They've had a horrible offense for many years now. since ro They basically just lost Roethlisberger, and they couldn't they can't play offense.
00:39:29
Snooty
Yeah. They're wandering in the wilderness. Just help me.
00:39:30
Savage Boston
Yeah, they need dirt they need to to tank. Like they need to do what the patch should have done in 2020, which is you got to tank. I mean, at some point, just like we did for Drake May, that's how you get Drake and now you hope he can elevate your team because they have to tank at some point.
00:39:43
Snooty
It's not even... It's not even Tank, but you do...
00:39:46
Savage Boston
Tank is the wrong word. They have to fucking bottom out.
00:39:49
Snooty
It's not even that. Like, you just... You have to strip away the shit that's not going to be there long term.
00:39:54
Snooty
And maybe...
00:39:54
Savage Boston
We're saying the same thing in different ways.
00:39:54
Bret
All right.
00:39:55
Snooty
No, but no, but no, but like... That may not be, that may not lead to like losing out because like you may have, you may find some surprise pieces. it's like You're not like actively trying to lose, but you're going to get rid of the guys that you're just not like, they're not in your long-term plan. So get what you can get for them.
00:40:11
Snooty
And then like try to build with some younger guys.
00:40:12
Savage Boston
Yeah. but mean, the quarterback first strategy for building a franchise is like what the Patriots are doing, what do many teams do that they, to try to win and try to build your team, right? They end up bottoming out at some point, getting a higher draft pick, getting the quarterback who you think is your future quarterback.
00:40:28
Savage Boston
And then, Growing from there and feeling like you're progressing as a team, but you need the quarterback first. It's like the first piece. And now today's NFL is quarterback first, only with a few exceptions, like we've talked about, like the Eagles, who again, Jalen Hurts has played really well.
00:40:37
Snooty
it and
00:40:43
Savage Boston
He's playing really well. Is that mostly Hurts or is that a all world roster? It's hard to say, but, but Hurts has played well.
00:40:51
Snooty
but like But two things about that.
00:40:52
Bret
That's Jared Goff in Detroit.
00:40:53
Snooty
So they did take... They did take Carson Wentz, like, third overall, I think, or second overall, whatever it was. like So they did try to get a quarterback.
00:40:59
Savage Boston
Yeah, he was not the guy.
00:41:01
Snooty
So what you have to do is you have to – if you get the chance to take what you perceive, legitimately perceive as a franchise quarterback, you cannot pass that up. ah You obviously just cannot pass it up.
00:41:11
Savage Boston
You have to take it.
00:41:12
Snooty
So that's the whole, like, oh, you build it out before you get the quarterback. No, no, no, no. You don't – you're not going to – you may not get another chance at a franchise quarterback. That being said, you don't force the issue. So if you don't – if there's no – Like taking Kenny Pickett's a perfect example.
00:41:26
Snooty
Like you, did anyone really think Kenny Pickett was going to be a fucking franchise quarterback? No.
00:41:31
Savage Boston
You know, it was a terrible draft pick.
00:41:31
Snooty
So don't take him in the first round. Don't take him just to take a quarterback.
00:41:35
Savage Boston
We said it was terrible at the time. i remember being like, this dude's not a, this is not a, that guy. Like, we knew it at the time.
00:41:39
Snooty
Right. So, so what, what you should do is build out the roster until, and ah obtain assets and acquire assets until you have the chance to go get that quarterback. like So don't force the issue.
00:41:49
Snooty
see Yes, you need a quarterback to be a Super Bowl contender, but you don't necessarily need it first because it may not come first.
00:41:55
Bret
Well, that's, yeah, I mean, that's the Pats draft last year.
00:41:55
Savage Boston
feels like
00:41:59
Bret
Like, obviously, we needed May, like, May number one. Like, all of that made sense for first-round pick. But every pick after that was, like, picking for need. And it's like, did that make the most sense for, like, we have so many effing holes. Like, you can't just go that way. You got to pick the best player in that position and that spot and try to make sure you get them. So,
00:42:20
Bret
Yeah, I mean, ah I'm glad the direction and the shift that they made like this year versus last year, and it just shows like the stamp that Vrabel had on it. I mean, i don't and don't know how much Elliott Wolfe's role was last year versus this year.
00:42:38
Bret
i would tend to imagine his year his role this year is diminished compared to last year, but like just the overall approach is substantially different. It's just noticeably different.
00:42:48
Savage Boston
Yeah. Some teams are still honestly just looking for their franchise quarterback. And I mean, you don't want to be one of those teams like the Jets where you can't year after year after year. Like they had a franchise quarterback in like 1969 and like they haven't had one in sick. Yeah. And he even he had like more picks than touchdowns, but they haven't had one in 50 years.
00:43:14
Savage Boston
so the how about the Chicago bears?
00:43:17
Snooty
Never had a full time our past.
00:43:17
Savage Boston
Now they got Caleb Williams who everyone's like, i don't know. Like, you know, they got the the quarterback whisperer, Ben Johnson. And like if Ben Johnson can't make Caleb Williams play well, he's fucked.
00:43:30
Savage Boston
Because he made golf look like a superstar.
00:43:30
Bret
g
00:43:34
Bret
Did you see the clip of Caleb Williams like couldn't throw it in the hole?
00:43:36
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:43:38
Bret
I'm telling you, I called it. I don't think he's going to be elite. I think he's going to be a bust pick at the number one.
00:43:43
Savage Boston
There's some attitude stuff going on there.
00:43:44
Bret
I'd say it from the beginning.
00:43:46
Savage Boston
I'm not – it is what it is.
00:43:47
Bret
Yeah.
00:43:48
Savage Boston
He's not our team. There's some – a million times out of a million rather have someone like Drake Mays attitude-wise than Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels who is just – kid's a killer.
00:44:00
Savage Boston
You know what I mean? But Caleb Williams, man, like he's first overall and then you got Jaden Daniels and Drake Mays. So –
00:44:06
Bret
Well, and one will thing the other thing, just a quick comment on like the Jaden Daniels-Drake May comparison. I think people forget like how little experience Drake May has compared to Jaden Daniels.
Quarterback Prospects: Drake May vs. Jaden Daniels
00:44:19
Bret
like So clearly Jaden Daniels is going to be more polished at this point in their career. However, i still it doesn't take away from Drake May's abilities and potential. like His ceiling is still equally as great as Jaden Daniels. I just think people oversell Jaden.
00:44:37
Bret
how good Jaden Daniels is now. And it's like, well, yeah, he had he's had more experience and he walked into a better situation than Drake May.
00:44:40
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:44:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, there's no doubt that is objective fact.
00:44:47
Bret
So, yes.
00:44:50
Savage Boston
Jaden Daniels started, I believe, 55 games in college and Drake started like 22.
00:44:54
Bret
Yeah.
00:44:56
Savage Boston
So, and he's like three, so he's basically three full years ahead of Drake May of development. So I'm happy with how Drake has looked. Does he have to clean up some of the picks? Yeah, which he's done mostly in this preseason.
00:45:07
Snooty
Thank you.
00:45:08
Savage Boston
Like he has thrown not that many interceptions. Just the scrimmage we saw had ah had one not as much as fault and one really bad pick. But Shit happens. You're going to make mistakes. Tom Brady made mistakes.
00:45:19
Savage Boston
Everybody makes mistakes. But
Excitement for Upcoming Events and Conclusion
00:45:21
Savage Boston
like as long as he develops, and Josh Allen, by the way, still was developing a lot in year two, but year three, Josh Allen was an absolute monster.
00:45:21
Bret
Thank you.
00:45:30
Savage Boston
So I think you're looking for that real year three to be the statistical massive jump, but obviously we got a look lot to look forward to this year. So... right, wrap it here because we're going on 45 minutes now. so So, yeah, we got joint practice against ah the Commanders, and then we got the game Friday which and the Tom Brady statue thing. So I'll be at the game this Friday. I'll be taking my older son, so that'll be hopefully hopefully a fun time.
00:45:56
Savage Boston
All right, guys, we'll tune in next time. We'll see you later. Peace.
00:45:59
Snooty
Yep.
00:45:59
Bret
Bye.