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EPISODE 63. PATRIOTS VS BILLS WEEK!!! LFG!!
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Introduction and Guest Reintroduction
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Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. My name is Scott. I'm here hosting the pod with with my guy Snooty Boston, per usual. And we have here, friend of the pod, ah Pat's Pro, who's been on a bunch of times and we we love to have him on. Thanks for coming back, Pat's Pro. How you doing?
00:00:18
PatsPro
I'm doing well. I appreciate you having me. I love to come on when I see a DM, when the Twitter DMs are working correctly. So I appreciate that Elon allowed that to happen this week.
00:00:28
Savage Boston
That's true. yeah You know, sometimes you got to give a quick update to the DMS and I had to redownload my app because it was so messed up. But, but yeah, so we're just coming off the, ah just to set the table, coming off the
Patriots vs. Bills Game Importance
00:00:38
Savage Boston
bye week. So obviously like no, no previous game to go over, which is more than fine.
00:00:43
Savage Boston
um You know, it's, it's like the biggest, I don't know. this Like how big is this game? Like, is this the biggest game of coming against the bills of of five years? Like when's the, is it the last time was the playoff game they played in 20, whatever 2019 it's the titans like what was the last time i mean you just jump in right away i'll just throw it out what was the last time they played a game like this like the last biggest game who's got something
00:01:08
PatsPro
um I mean, it has to be the the Titans playoff game, Brady's final game as a Patriot, right, from from a sheer stakes standpoint. But, I mean, it's definitely the biggest game to this point in the year. I mean, I feel like we say that every other week, but it's the Buffalo Bills. They're on, what, a two-game win streak. We already beat them once in their home stadium, the last time that they'll play us in that stadium.
00:01:34
PatsPro
Now we have to kind of back up what we think about this team. The team has to back up what they think about themselves. and it's also it's a championship game, right? And AFC's championship like that's that's a hat and shirt game or shirt and hat game, whatever you want to call it, in whatever order.
Patriots' Current Performance Analysis
00:01:51
PatsPro
That's big.
00:01:51
Savage Boston
ah no
00:01:52
PatsPro
That's massive. i It's huge.
00:01:55
Savage Boston
yeah
00:01:55
Snooty
I think you have to go back to that Titans game because I think the distinction is, I know 2021, they went to the playoffs, they played the Bills, whatever, but like everybody knew that team was was a house like it was a facade.
00:02:05
Savage Boston
yeah that was no no yeah
00:02:06
Snooty
like it it was Everybody knew that was coming down at some point. So I think you really have to go back to either 2019 or realistically, probably the Super Bowl run, to ah to have a game of any magnitude where you actually believed in the team. Because even 2019, you're like,
00:02:23
Snooty
eh, like, i don't know, like, they know they didn't look good the second half of the year, and it just wasn't, it just didn't feel the same. This first year that we've had real optimism, like, true, genuine optimism, probably since, probably 2018, if we're being honest.
00:02:38
Savage Boston
i mean sauce total I mean, this team, though, they're like they're like a balanced team.
00:02:38
Snooty
I mean, to this level, to this degree.
00:02:44
Savage Boston
You know i mean? They kind of have the recipe, which is, again, why we pushed forever for like load up, load up, load up as much talent as you can at any point because it's like you feel like the recipe is there, right?
00:02:54
Savage Boston
You have the franchise quarterback in year year two prior to a massive contract.
00:02:59
PatsPro
an MVP candidate.
00:03:01
Savage Boston
you know, I mean, we can obviously talk about how well he's played. I think he's the MVP personally. I know like I get the Matt Stafford crowd. I had that thought today. Like they're going to give it a Stafford again, because i don't think Stafford's never won it. Correct.
00:03:16
Savage Boston
Like, I don't think Stafford has never won MVP.
00:03:17
PatsPro
No.
00:03:19
Savage Boston
He's 37 Superbowl champ now. And I think like, this is the, not the Swan song because he could play a few more years, but like this is his moment, right? Drake, I think the voters are going to be like, we're going to see Drake May again, even though you don't know that, right? Like you don't, like no one knows anything, but um you know, you could say the same about Jaden Daniels last year or who this year injury prone and not good.
00:03:43
Savage Boston
Or CJ Stroud in year one who you like, this kid's about to be amazing. And he looks not good. i don't know. I watched him the other night. Not good at all. um Despite the Texans defense being very real and very good. So
AFC Championship and Team Comparisons
00:03:56
Savage Boston
regardless, like, I just think that's how the voters are going to take it. They're going to, they're going get Stafford probably give it to him unless Drake just balls out in the last four weeks and Stafford falls off. But, but bringing it back to it, you have,
00:04:08
Savage Boston
You know, Drake playing at an MVP level, year two, rookie contract, great coach, I think a good front office now, great OC, good scheme, good defense, good special teams.
00:04:20
Savage Boston
Like you have the formula. Yes, you don't have like the obscene talent on like defense like the Eagles did last year. You don't have the obscene talent. at wide receiver or at the offensive line.
00:04:33
Savage Boston
But if Drake may is going to elevate and play the way he's played all season, you got a shot. You got a shot to do anything. I think you could go anywhere. Like, I don't know, like I'm not putting a cap on the team, you know? So, I mean, how how do you guys take in the, I guess like legitimate, legitimate chance you guys think this year?
00:04:54
PatsPro
Oh, for sure. I mean, if if we're looking at just the the league holistically, the 30,000-foot view, the Patriots are single-handedly the best team in the league, and it's not even close, just from a ah ah sheer of what they've done. um So let me preface it.
00:05:14
PatsPro
based on where they were projected to be at the beginning of the season and where they are now, they're the best team. They're the most improved, the most consistent. You don't really see any drop-offs. I mean, I think the Bengals game was the biggest drop-off that they've had, and you know they still put up some pretty decent numbers. The defense really kicked it into high gear, and Drake had his highest passing total of all season. So the Patriots are number one, in my opinion. The Rams are easily number two.
00:05:43
PatsPro
But to go to your point about Stafford, he's only got two or three years left. People are going be sentimental. um I just I think the Patriots have a real chance to do something special.
00:05:57
PatsPro
They just need to believe in themselves is like it's it's as as cliche and corny as it is. They just need to believe.
00:06:03
Snooty
I mean, i look at it as, as i don't care about the NFC because you just, once you get to the Superbowl, it's whatever, it's one game and it's about
Division Games and Patriots' Edge
00:06:11
Snooty
how you match up. It's about how you play with that day. Um,
00:06:15
Snooty
Generally speaking, you you know, Super Bowl, you unless you're like grossly overmatched in terms of talent, you should be at least moderately competitive in that game. But getting there, there's no one in the AFC that I look and go, yeah, the Patriots have no chance of beating. or even that would be like the Patriots would be like a, ah quite frankly, an underdog, much less like a big underdog. I think they might be a slight underdog on the road if they went to Denver.
00:06:39
Snooty
um But anything else, I don't know, short of maybe Buffalo in New England. like Short of that, like I don't really see who else they'd be an underdog against. So if you look at it like that, it's like they could beat pretty much everybody in the AFC and it wouldn't surprise you at all.
00:06:55
Snooty
And you just have to get to the Super Bowl.
00:06:55
Savage Boston
I mean, you have to get – you have to – obviously you want the one seed and you have to somehow find a way to get ahead of Denver. Denver's got four really tough games coming up.
00:07:04
Snooty
they get Yeah, it's tricky down the road for them.
00:07:05
Savage Boston
They got the Chiefs who apparently are now a cupcake. That's been interesting. They have the Chiefs. They have Green Bay.
00:07:13
Snooty
back Jacksonville and the Chargers.
00:07:14
Savage Boston
<unk> i mean, that's that's legit. I think the Chargers last night, again, I know I'm jumping around a bit. They looked like ass too, dude. Like I know they have no old line, but like that game –
00:07:22
PatsPro
Herber only threw for like 198 yards or something stupid like that, didn't he?
00:07:24
Savage Boston
Did you watch that? in Them versus the Eagles?
00:07:26
PatsPro
It was horrible. it it was just turnover, turnover, punt, punt, punt, turnover, turnover.
00:07:27
Savage Boston
Oh, my God. Horrible quarterback playing that game.
00:07:31
Snooty
But the thing you have to remember, especially with Kansas City as well in this, I'll roll the two of those games in.
00:07:31
Savage Boston
I mean, just.
00:07:36
Snooty
It's a division game. Division games are always ugly. They're always weird. I mean, Patriots struggle with Miami, right? Miami sucks.
00:07:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:07:43
Snooty
Like, they struggle sometimes with the Jets. Like, and you're like, right.
00:07:46
Savage Boston
Miami, same record as the Chiefs, by the way. Six and seven.
00:07:48
PatsPro
Hilarious.
00:07:49
Snooty
But then, like, even, like, the Bills, like, even when the Patriots weren't good, they'd be like, why the fuck do they keep losing to the Patriots?
00:07:50
Savage Boston
Funny.
00:07:54
Snooty
Because it's a division game. It's just, that's just what happens. Like, it's just like, we are their Miami, right? Like, they're like, what the fuck? Why do we keep losing to them? That type of thing.
00:08:03
Savage Boston
it's tough I mean, this is a tough matchup to look from their perspective for
Anticipation for Patriots vs. Bills Game
00:08:08
Savage Boston
Buffalo.
00:08:08
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:08:09
Savage Boston
You're Buffalo looking at going into Foxborough. If you're a Bills fan, if you're member of the Bills and you're like, okay, we got to go into Foxborough, which has historically just been a horrific venue for your team.
00:08:19
Savage Boston
I mean, historically horrific. Not that that matters in the Tom Brady era, but it's just a history. Right. um And I think like matchup wise, the Bills defense is mid, mid pack, not an incredible defense.
00:08:25
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:08:33
Savage Boston
OK, they're often so like, yeah, Josh Allen's tough. But like if it's cold, you know, we'll see how the snow goes. Like, I just love the premier matchup between Allen and Drake May. Like you're going to get a lot of hype.
00:08:45
Savage Boston
And I think it's like it should be. It feels like it should be a primetime game. Very happy it's not because we're all going like the Savage Boston podcast is is hitting up the game.
00:08:56
PatsPro
lucky bastard you lucky fucker oh my god is it supposed to snow by the way just off topic oh that's so cool
00:08:56
Savage Boston
So we're gonna be, we're going to be tailgating we're to be there at like gate open at like, you know, nine, we're going be getting in the lot.
00:09:07
Savage Boston
I think it might, we're going to be, yeah i don't know.
00:09:07
Snooty
Potentially. Potentially.
00:09:11
Savage Boston
It's going to be, if that's, if we get a snow game duel between May and Allen, I'm psyched.
00:09:14
PatsPro
oh instant classic gonna be amazing but um my jealousy aside it
00:09:17
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:21
PatsPro
it's the mu like Going back to your point, it is the most important game. There's no question about it. We're really going to see what this team is made up of coming off the bye. Allen, May, it's just it i I have a serious feeling we're in for an instant classic, and I'm very excited for it.
00:09:41
Savage Boston
think they're too well coached. The Patriots are too well coached and they'll be rested to like lay an egg. And think they're a well coached team. I think the defense should play well enough, but like, you know, people don't underestimate Josh Allen.
00:09:55
Savage Boston
That's all I'll say too. It's like, you know, again, I want to give the other perspective. you can't just do, you know, I know we're Pat's fans, but like Josh Allen's a good quarterback.
00:10:02
PatsPro
I'm sorry, who are you? Are you Savage Sports? that You're giving another perspective? Huh?
00:10:08
Savage Boston
I always, I'm like the fair and balanced of Twitter. You know, I'm the no spin zone.
00:10:11
PatsPro
Oh, yeah.
00:10:12
Snooty
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
00:10:13
PatsPro
Farrah Mell's all right.
00:10:15
Snooty
Yeah.
00:10:16
Savage Boston
I'm like Bill O'Reilly of, I won't get.
00:10:19
PatsPro
Oh, easy. Easy, pal.
00:10:19
Savage Boston
ah Yeah, I won't throw out any political.
00:10:20
PatsPro
Easy.
00:10:20
Snooty
Yeah.
00:10:21
Savage Boston
The no spin zone, fair and balanced, savage sports.
00:10:24
Snooty
I think the ah the the thing is, is the only part of Buffalo that really scares you, like Cook is a great back, right?
00:10:24
Savage Boston
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:10:31
Snooty
Cook is a great back. um Their defense is subpar, to be honest with you. um I mean, their run defense is horrid, and their pass defense is only like middle of the packs. They're not a great defense.
00:10:43
Snooty
It's just Josh Allen going like superhuman, right?
00:10:47
Savage Boston
just improvise.
00:10:47
PatsPro
The
00:10:47
Snooty
and and he has that And he has that in him. He did it. I will say... I mean, Burrow kind of basically handed them the game last week, right?
00:10:56
PatsPro
two picks and two throws in a row.
00:10:56
Snooty
So, like, yeah, I mean, you know what i mean?
00:10:57
Savage Boston
That was terrible.
00:10:59
Snooty
They were talking about this on the radio. They were like, you know, today, they were like, you know, Burrow did have like, just shit his pants, basically, in the fourth quarter for them to win, right? Like, so it's not like they were dominating the Bengals, and and who aren't a great team anyway.
00:11:12
Snooty
um It's just that. It's just if Josh Allen goes superhuman, then, all right, yeah, you know you have to try to withstand that and see if he can overcome it. But if if he's not, like, If he's not that, you should beat this team easily at this point, to be honest with you.
00:11:25
PatsPro
But also on the flip side of it, you have a quarterback who can also kind of go superhuman.
00:11:30
Snooty
Right. And we haven't even really seen him do that yet.
00:11:32
PatsPro
We've seen him do it once, and it was Buffalo.
00:11:34
Snooty
You've seen him glimpses of it where you're like, holy shit, you can elevate people and you can make people really, really good.
00:11:40
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:11:40
Snooty
But it'll be interesting. i can't wait for the game when he actually does, when he just takes over and goes.
00:11:44
Savage Boston
We haven't seen like a we haven't seen like a shootout Drake may elevation. You know, it's been like, he makes every play when he needs to, he hasn't had to this season.
00:11:50
Snooty
They haven't needed it
00:11:54
Savage Boston
He hasn't had to have 40 to 36 game where he's got 450 yards.
Quarterback Analysis and Team Success
00:12:00
Savage Boston
And it's like, like he hasn't had that game yet. But frankly, this team hasn't had to have that game, nor do they really want to be in that game.
00:12:08
Snooty
Mm-mm.
00:12:08
Savage Boston
Like they want to be, again, they want to hold you below 23 and they want to score above 23. And they've done that how like 10 games in a row or something like that. And I think obviously the Patriots are really well coached.
00:12:19
Savage Boston
Like there's bar none. They're really well coached. I mean, what McDaniels has done this year has been spectacular organizing the offense.
00:12:25
PatsPro
Amazing. amazing
00:12:25
Savage Boston
Again, I know everyone hates his play calling. We'll say it every week. Everyone's like, oh, McDaniels. Like, everyone hates the play calling. But, like, he structures the offense well. He creates a great game plan, and he's helped Drake elevate himself into basically, I mean, right now he's borderline the face of the NFL, which is like, which is insane.
00:12:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, no, he is. and i And I think he's developing into that. He's the number one vote getter in all of the NFL and Pro Bowl votes by fan vote.
00:12:55
Snooty
Sure. And he could be...
00:12:55
Savage Boston
That means that he is like a developing his own celebrity. I don't know. I hope they stay. Honestly, they're great kids. Him and his wife. They're great kids. I hope they stay humble.
00:13:07
Savage Boston
They hope they just like figure out a way to ignore the noise. I think they will because he grew up in a massive like sports family. But to me, like I think he's he's growing in to to be a face of the NFL in some way.
00:13:21
Savage Boston
Like, is he that guy yet? He's not where Mahomes was yet, but he's growing into that role.
00:13:25
Snooty
He's not there yet. It's still Mahomes, right? It's still Allen. It's still Lamar Jackson ahead of him. And it's still Joe Burrow ahead of him. It is right now. It is like not for long, but he's not there yet.
00:13:35
PatsPro
Not for long.
00:13:39
Snooty
He's getting there. But like, a heat let me put it this way.
00:13:41
Savage Boston
He goes out and wins a chip.
00:13:42
Snooty
Let me put it this way.
00:13:43
Savage Boston
He goes wins a chip this year.
00:13:43
Snooty
let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. He wins a Super Bowl this year. Okay.
00:13:47
Savage Boston
It's fun, dude.
00:13:48
Snooty
Now, and now he's probably, you know, he's number two right behind Mahomes at that point.
00:13:51
PatsPro
Oh, if he wins a Super Bowl this year, we are the most annoying people on planet Earth.
00:13:56
Savage Boston
The glaze.
00:13:56
Snooty
Oh, I'm going to be insufferable.
00:13:57
Savage Boston
The glaze online will be absurd.
00:13:59
PatsPro
Oh, my God.
00:14:01
Savage Boston
If he goes wins a chip, it'll be classic New England all over again.
00:14:01
PatsPro
It's going to be amazing.
00:14:04
PatsPro
Oh, you guys had your fucking chance.
00:14:04
Savage Boston
It'll be just obscene.
00:14:06
PatsPro
You got no shot now. Next 20 years. Drake may Mike Fravel guy.
00:14:13
Savage Boston
I mean, honestly, I think it would be insane. but yeah i Yeah, but he's he is he's basically, I would say this, he's developed into a superstar.
00:14:14
PatsPro
um yeah, it'd be great.
00:14:20
Savage Boston
His numbers back it up. How he's performed in big moments has backed it up. He just needs more big moments. And I think the team, there's just so much room for the team to get better. This is like the good part.
00:14:33
Savage Boston
Like the team can still improve a lot. And like all offseason, we'll be talking about it, right? All offseason. But like there's room for this team to get better in a lot of ways. And I think i think this year, obviously, the record's really good because they have had a weak schedule.
00:14:50
Savage Boston
We know that. Everyone talks about it. But like next year is going to be a much tougher schedule. They're going have to win a lot of tough games next year. So we'll see how they do. But they got, you know, a lot of room for improvement.
00:15:02
Snooty
Can I just go off? Speaking of being insufferable and obnoxious, I want to shit on the c Colts for a second because it relates to the Patriots.
00:15:09
PatsPro
Please go ahead. The floor is yours, sir.
00:15:11
Snooty
Okay. So there was real serious and honest debate about you can't take a quarterback when they took Drake May because you have to build the team around it. Right? You have to build the team so you can have the, you can place the quarterback in there once the team is ready.
00:15:21
PatsPro
I believe Tom Kern's words were build up the team and parachute in them.
00:15:26
Snooty
Well, guess who fucking built a team? Not that they really had much of an opportunity to get a quarterback, but guess who built a team and never had a fucking chance to get a quarterback? The Colts. Guess who fucking mortgaged their future inexplicably on a fucking corner when they didn't have a quarterback? The Colts. So guess who's going to be fucking dog-ass in two years because you can't keep drafting at the same clip that they've been hitting at You can't do that forever. So at some point they're going to stop drafting like that and they're going fall off a fucking cliff. And I'm going to laugh and cry tears of joy watching it happen because I fucking hate the Colts. But it it stands as the most stark contrast to what the Patriots did, which is you have a fucking chance to take a quarterback that you think can be the franchise guy. You take it. A hundred times out of a hundred, you do it. I would take five years.
00:16:14
Snooty
They did it with Mac Jones. I would take five years of shit with Mac Jones and I'd rather do that and take the chance and get to get the quarterback right. Because if you don't get the quarterback, none of it means anything. I'd a million times rather have the Mac Jones years than the fucking years the Colts have had and will have in the next few years.
00:16:31
Snooty
Fuck the c Colts. I hate them. Fuck them.
00:16:33
Savage Boston
Good rant.
00:16:33
PatsPro
But Snooty, you could have traded down and gotten the Vikings two picks and drafted J.J. McCarthy and Kingsley Suamataia or whoever the hell was supposed to be there. That's so much value.
00:16:42
Snooty
Oh.
00:16:43
PatsPro
You build the team up and parachute the quarterback in.
00:16:47
Savage Boston
mean, honestly, how many teams, this is the hardest part.
00:16:47
Snooty
Oh.
00:16:49
Savage Boston
Like we can go through the list of like who real fra franchise QBs are and how many teams have a real one and how hard it is to hit on that guy.
Patriots' Playoff Potential
00:17:00
Savage Boston
you know, how hard it is. Like, you have the best teams right now in the league, and borderline all of the best teams have franchise guys, almost all of them.
00:17:07
Snooty
Yes.
00:17:09
Savage Boston
I would say, though, like, again, you look at the Broncos. go the Just go to the AFC East. Is Bo Nix a franchise quarterback?
00:17:17
Snooty
No.
00:17:18
Savage Boston
I don't think so.
00:17:19
PatsPro
Not, I mean, not really.
00:17:20
Savage Boston
It doesn't mean he can't beat you.
00:17:21
PatsPro
Not right now.
00:17:21
Savage Boston
and Like, it doesn't mean he can't make good plays. He's not. i don't I think that's a really, really, really good coaching situation and an amazing defense. And that makes you win games, period.
00:17:32
Savage Boston
And I don't think there's anything wrong with Bo Nix. He's been better than I thought, honestly. Like i'm I'm trying to like to compliment him, but that's not a franchise guy. That's not a guy that elevates your your team. Then go, how about Jacksonville?
00:17:44
Savage Boston
How's Trevor Lawrence been?
00:17:45
PatsPro
Not worth the money.
00:17:47
Savage Boston
Not a franchise guy. He's been subpar quarterback for years. That is not a franchise QB. The Chargers, Herbert's been injured in the roster. Like, it was decimated.
00:17:58
Savage Boston
No. You know, the Colts, falling off a map. No. You know, ah Pittsburgh is a 42-year-old or whatever, how old he is. And, like,
00:18:07
PatsPro
Hey, but they got Will Howard in the wings.
00:18:09
Savage Boston
like I don't believe in that team. I don't believe that even Lamar forgot how to play football.
00:18:15
Snooty
But I can't even like I can't even shit on the Steelers because like they're a prime example of like they tried with Kenny Pickett and they've just kind of been plugging guys in because like you just you have to like my point is you have to keep taking shots until you find someone like you point to Bo Nix.
00:18:16
Savage Boston
I don't know.
00:18:25
Savage Boston
Yeah, they're, they're trying.
00:18:32
Snooty
My counter argument would be none of us believe that Bo Nix is the guy. Right. So in two years when they have to pay Bo Nix. Like, are they going to keep drafting at this clip and they're going to be able to replace the guys behind him to to prop up that quarterback who can't elevate everybody else?
00:18:48
Snooty
Like, no, it's not sustainable long term. You may have a two, maybe three year window, but like you have to like it just puts if you don't have a quarterback, it puts even more pressure on drafting at an insanely high clip to to be competitive.
00:19:02
Savage Boston
But it's a good it's it's a good point, though, just to realize that you have right you have the best quarterback left in the AFC playoff picture right now, period.
00:19:13
Savage Boston
Okay, the best.
00:19:14
Snooty
Yeah.
00:19:15
Savage Boston
like And it's not it's not even an argument, though. Like, that's the thing. It's not even close because the Ravens are currently out. The Chiefs are currently out. um And the Bengals are currently out.
00:19:25
PatsPro
The Bengals are in hell.
00:19:27
Savage Boston
So there's Burrow, Lamar, and and Mahomes, the three guys that everyone said, how are you possibly going to get by those three players? Well, they're not even in the fucking playoffs. Any of them.
00:19:38
Savage Boston
They're fucking in. The Chiefs are at like a 10% odds right now. I'm going to start. I'm going to yelling for whichever reason.
00:19:43
PatsPro
16.
00:19:44
Savage Boston
But the Chiefs are screaming in their void.
00:19:45
PatsPro
I believe on Cal, she it's 16 on Cal, she it is 16.
00:19:50
Savage Boston
Oh, cal yes, Kalshi, thank you. New sponsorship, new partnership, I should say.
00:19:53
Snooty
you
00:19:56
Savage Boston
16% on
00:19:57
PatsPro
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had to, i was figuring out a way to get it in.
00:20:02
Savage Boston
Um, but like, I'm looking up and down the list, man. And like, those are what everyone said was your, was your, your premier quarterbacks in the league. And like, they're saying you need a premier guy. So then you, you, you cross reference back to the last bunch of playoff years, who actually wins the super bowl, who wins, who's won. i think last year is one of the few examples again, where I felt like the quarterback got elevated by the roster
00:20:27
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:20:27
Savage Boston
and And I know hurts Hurts this year has been not good. I mean, this last game was horrific. Their team's falling apart. he he But he is an okay quarterback. Like, I don't think most of the time he's okay. He does what he does.
00:20:37
PatsPro
He's just a beat slow.
00:20:38
Savage Boston
He does enough.
00:20:39
PatsPro
He's just a beat slow on everything.
00:20:41
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's he's he can he's a good runner. He usually has a good deep ball. But again, that's with Devontae Smith, A.J. Brown, crazy protection, right? Like, he had an amazing roster. So, I don't think you could argue. And then before that, there' was a bunch of, like, Mahomes championships and And whatever Matt Stafford won and Matt Stafford has been incredible.
00:20:59
Savage Boston
So long story short, yes, you still most of the time need a generational quarterback to win a Super Bowl. I mean, and the numbers bear that out. You guys, you guys jump in because I'm going to look up the fucking Super Bowl list and I'm going to go through this shit.
00:21:13
Savage Boston
You guys talk.
00:21:13
PatsPro
So I just have a total off topic, but I read today that Bo Nix was the Tua of Drew Breeses, and it made so much sense to me.
00:21:24
PatsPro
um
00:21:25
Savage Boston
That's pretty good.
00:21:25
Snooty
Yeah.
00:21:25
PatsPro
It's pretty good. um In terms of their chances, you've you've made the point. a We don't need to belabor it. what would be What would traditionally be in their way is no longer in their way because the NFL is drunk.
00:21:40
PatsPro
The sportsbooks have had their ways with all of their inside stuff, and they're just fucking everybody who bet on the Chiefs. That's a conspiracy theory. I don't actually know that for sure. But...
00:21:52
PatsPro
Everything that would have been in your way is now out. You have a clear shot. You have the most well-rounded team. You have, I'm not going to say you don't have holes. You have few holes that shouldn't generally kill you.
00:22:06
PatsPro
You have a shot. You should go all the way. The expectation has changed and you should be able to meet it.
00:22:13
Snooty
I mean, again, i think you're going to get Milton Williams back pretty soon. You should get Will Campbell back pretty soon. Jared Wilson looks like he's coming back potentially this week. Like, you should be starting to get reasonably healthy as well.
00:22:26
Snooty
um And if their injury luck, I know they've had a little bit recently, but if they get some guys back now and if they can kind of continue to get healthier down the stretch, like, again, i don't see why
NFL Draft Strategy
00:22:38
Snooty
not. If they win these next two games, but Buffalo and Baltimore, like,
00:22:43
Snooty
I think Zoe's been saying for weeks, like, they're not going to lose again. i mean, that's a bit, you know, extreme, but, like, i don't know.
00:22:50
PatsPro
I mean, zo Zoe has been, and i love Zoe, I love Beatles.
00:22:50
Snooty
I mean, they just keep fucking winning at this point.
00:22:55
PatsPro
Zoe has been dead on balls accurate on the Patriots this year. Like, he's just, he's been unconscious. I don't know how, i don't know what he's seeing, but he's just seeing it better than anybody else right now.
00:23:07
Savage Boston
You just believe they just have buy-in.
00:23:09
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:23:09
Savage Boston
yeah mean, everyone has buy-in. Just to circle back on this. So just going through the list in the last 20 years. Okay. Other than, again, we're and not taking out Jalen hurts from last year. who Why again, we don't think it's generational. We said just on the list, my homes, my homes, Stafford, Brady, my homes, Brady, Nick Foles.
00:23:30
Savage Boston
Again, weird one.
00:23:30
PatsPro
Nick Foles is a generational talent.
00:23:32
Savage Boston
I don't know what happened. They should have never won. Whatever we want to talk about, the Malcolm Butler thing, you know, whatever. Just weird one in the mix. Then it goes back to Brady, Peyton Manning, Brady, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Rogers, Breeze, Roethlisberger, Manning, man the other Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brady.
00:23:47
PatsPro
Mm-hmm.
00:23:50
PatsPro
Mm-hmm.
00:23:53
Savage Boston
And then it goes, finally gets off the rails with 2003 Brad Johnson, which that Tampa Bay Bucs defense was one of a magnificent defense.
00:24:01
PatsPro
I tell you what, man, those Tampa Bay Buccaneers are good, man.
00:24:04
Savage Boston
Oh, dude.
00:24:04
PatsPro
I tell you what.
00:24:04
Savage Boston
You know, that's what Gruden in that year, but like that, that Tampa Bay defense with Derek Brooks and, you know, obscene and a different era.
00:24:07
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:24:10
PatsPro
Kill you. Take your head off.
00:24:10
Snooty
That's a different era at this point.
00:24:13
Savage Boston
So, and then, because then after that, you're like Trent Dilfer one, two years before that. Right. So regardless, but so basically in the last 20 years, I mean, I guess, you know, Eli Manning, I don't think he's hall of famer, but I think he, he was a savant in two post seasons.
00:24:17
Snooty
it's a different era.
00:24:27
PatsPro
He's 500 as a starter.
00:24:30
Savage Boston
So he's going to get in at some point, but again,
00:24:32
Snooty
He's going to get in. it's true I don't think he should, but he will.
00:24:34
Savage Boston
I'm just looking at the full breadth of the career. I don't think he's Hall of Famer, not at that high level. Regardless, like I'm putting them in there in the category of being good and for the purposes of this list and the fact that he was unconscious in two full postseasons.
00:24:48
Savage Boston
But I mean, these are mostly all-time greats for the most part, really.
00:24:50
Snooty
Thank you.
00:24:51
Savage Boston
Like looking back at the whole list, it's all-time greats, elevating rosters, except Nick Foles and basically Jalen Hurts, who Jalen Hurts is better than Nick Foles. Jalen Hurts has done more than Nick Foles has done.
00:25:04
Savage Boston
and And I'm not going to go look at his advanced stats of Nick Foles, what he did, but I'm just saying like career-wise, Jalen Hurts has been a lot more productive than Nick Foles. um So yes, long story short, you still need to hit the quarterback.
00:25:19
Savage Boston
And the Patriots looks like they have hit on the quarterback. And it's the most single most important thing you can do in the modern era of football. So we got lucky.
00:25:30
Savage Boston
In a lot of ways, I think we got lucky. You know, like Jaden Daniels to me had outstanding first year, but Jaden Daniels, do we know what Jaden Daniels is yet? He came out at like 25 years old.
00:25:42
Savage Boston
He had a good first season and a good coaching, good team, horrible fall off with multiple injuries this year. I don't know. Do we know what he is? Caleb Williams to me, lot of talent there, lot of ability.
00:25:55
Savage Boston
Personality-wise, i don't know what's going on, but just a tremendous amount of ability and his tools are excellent. So with great coaching like he has in Ben Johnson, he macke could go somewhere, right? And that's ah that's a tough team right now.
00:26:07
Savage Boston
um And then I don't know what the rest of it. Panics, you know, Panics and, but again, Bo Nix on a good roster.
00:26:12
PatsPro
Enix is done, bro. he He's done.
00:26:15
Savage Boston
And J.J. McCarthy has been ah with the worst quarterback in football this year.
00:26:19
Snooty
Excuse me.
00:26:19
Savage Boston
Great coach and a good offense.
00:26:21
Snooty
Excuse me.
00:26:21
PatsPro
The worst quarterback in history.
00:26:22
Snooty
Nine.
00:26:23
PatsPro
yeah Oh, yeah, nine.
00:26:23
Snooty
Get his name right.
00:26:23
Savage Boston
Yeah, nine, sorry. Nine. That's – I can't believe he said that for real.
00:26:28
PatsPro
Well, it's just the face, too. like ah ah So for for anyone listening, they can see me right now. Oh, my God, the illusion's been broken. I'm no longer anonymous, but it's literally the face that... face
00:26:39
Snooty
Yeah.
00:26:40
PatsPro
it's It's just, it's it's weird.
00:26:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:42
PatsPro
And I don't like it.
00:26:42
Savage Boston
No, it's bizarre. I can't believe he, what a weird thing to say in person. That's like something you say when you're like, when you're in like high school or something, you're like my alternate persona.
00:26:52
Savage Boston
You're like, you know, I go to this state.
00:26:54
PatsPro
That's what you say when you're listening to, you know, emo music and talking about how much you hate your parents. My alternate persona will save me. Shut up.
00:27:05
Savage Boston
It's just an odd thing to say as like an adult professional, but like, I get where he was kind of going for it. Maybe he's just kind of a lame guy. I don't know. like some i don't know.
00:27:17
Savage Boston
i don't know
00:27:18
PatsPro
maybe Maybe he's just kind of a lame guy. What if what a sentence.
00:27:21
Savage Boston
don't know. People ragged on. I thought it was funny. Fernando Mendoza in Indiana. He had his post-game interview. It was so funny. He's like, we're flipping champs. like He's just like this straight-edge kid.
00:27:32
Savage Boston
It's just funny. like I don't think.
00:27:33
Snooty
Can't wait till he's on the Jets.
00:27:35
Savage Boston
Oh, my God.
00:27:35
PatsPro
Oh, it's going to be so great.
00:27:35
Savage Boston
just need it.
00:27:36
Snooty
wow New York's going to eat him alive.
00:27:38
Savage Boston
I don't want say it because who knows? Maybe he'll be really good. but um But man, that personality with like New York City would be something else. I can't imagine.
00:27:46
Snooty
New York's going to eat him alive.
00:27:48
Savage Boston
Yeah, but is New York – I mean who's actually going to – who's in line right now for the first round pick?
00:27:48
Snooty
Him. Oh, oh,
00:27:51
Savage Boston
Isn't it like the Browns?
00:27:52
Snooty
him oh oh
00:27:53
PatsPro
on Oh my God, boys, hold on. Just step back. We don't know who the top four or five picks are.
00:28:02
Savage Boston
I know I have not looked at Tankathon.
00:28:04
PatsPro
Because it doesn't matter right now.
00:28:05
Savage Boston
i know.
00:28:06
PatsPro
just Just take a moment to appreciate that.
00:28:08
Savage Boston
glorious.
00:28:11
Snooty
Giants, Vegas, Tennessee, all tied in that order, 1, 2, 3, but tied to some degree or another. Cleveland, New Orleans, Washington, Jets, and Arizona, one game behind each of them.
00:28:24
Snooty
One game behind the first. So, 1 through 8 are all within a game of each other.
00:28:29
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's tight.
00:28:30
Snooty
That's a quarter of the league that's 3 and 10 or worse.
00:28:33
Savage Boston
That's really bad.
00:28:35
Snooty
that's why it's like, oh, they play a soft schedule.
00:28:36
Savage Boston
it' Really bad.
00:28:37
Snooty
I'm like, i don't know. Most of these teams kind of suck. Like, the only difference between the schedule is the first place finish, which I understand is a big thing.
00:28:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:45
Snooty
But, like, I don't know. Like, the AFC East also plays – the rest of the AFC East also played this fucking trash.
00:28:53
Savage Boston
mean,
00:28:53
Snooty
Like
Quarterback Contracts and Strategic Comparisons
00:28:54
PatsPro
so
00:28:54
Savage Boston
but if you go in order, the Giants don't need a quarterback.
00:28:57
Savage Boston
They like Dart. And I think darts actually to me, Dart looks okay. I think he's done okay.
00:29:01
PatsPro
He just needs to get out of bounds.
00:29:02
Savage Boston
Like, yeah, if he plays like if he plays this reckless.
00:29:03
Snooty
darts be out of league in three years.
00:29:07
Snooty
Like a moron. Yeah.
00:29:09
Savage Boston
Okay, Vegas. Where does that franchise go? I don't think Brady's coming down to rescue anybody.
00:29:13
PatsPro
Good luck. Good fucking luck.
00:29:15
Savage Boston
I don't know. Like, they need a quarterback. Like, are they just going to sign Kyler Murray? I mean, who's going to get Kyler Murray? That's one question. The Jets?
00:29:23
PatsPro
the Jets.
00:29:23
Snooty
Colts.
00:29:23
Savage Boston
I thought
00:29:24
PatsPro
Kyler Murray is a Jets quarterback, right?
00:29:25
Snooty
Colts.
00:29:25
PatsPro
Oh, oh yeah.
00:29:27
Savage Boston
the Jets maybe.
00:29:28
Snooty
Colts.
00:29:28
Savage Boston
Kyler Murray and the Jets?
00:29:28
PatsPro
No, going to be the Colts. Kyler Murray is going to be the Colts quarterback.
00:29:29
Snooty
Give me the Colts.
00:29:30
PatsPro
Yeah, that makes too much sense.
00:29:31
Savage Boston
Maybe. Does that fit the Colts? You feel like you look at the Indianapolis Colts and then Kyler Murray?
00:29:35
PatsPro
Yes, it does.
00:29:35
Snooty
I don't know. Daniel Jones...
00:29:36
Savage Boston
You didn't bring around there with that, and not like –
00:29:36
Snooty
Daniel Jones daniel jones literally just tore his Achilles. How quickly can you come back from an Achilles?
00:29:42
Savage Boston
Nine to 12 months.
00:29:44
Snooty
Right. That's fucking September, maybe?
00:29:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, no, it's not good for him.
00:29:48
Snooty
At the earliest? Like, he's probably going to the pup to start the year.
00:29:49
Savage Boston
Yeah. So Vegas probably needs a quarterback. Tennessee does not need a QB. Cam Ward. Cleveland. Are they going to – is Hunter Sanders their quarterback now?
00:30:00
Snooty
Yeah, I mean...
00:30:03
Snooty
I like Shador Sanders more than most, but like, but I mean, yeah, you're an idiot if you pass up. Well, i don't know about this year's quarterback class, but like I wouldn't pass up on a legit front quarterback prospect for Sanders.
00:30:11
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:14
PatsPro
This year's class for anything feels like it's just, it's tough.
00:30:18
Savage Boston
There's couple good, um like some Ohio State kids, Arbel Reese and like Downs, like couple really good.
00:30:22
Snooty
Yep.
00:30:24
PatsPro
Well, yeah, you get Caleb Downs, sure. But like, Fernando Mendoza and Caleb Downs.
00:30:27
Savage Boston
But yeah, some good edge rushers. But like this, I mean, the court this thing is like the quarterbacks and it's like, do you trust? Like, obviously, Fernando Mendoza is probably the top off the board. Then it's like they got Dante Moore from Oregon.
00:30:39
Savage Boston
you know, is he the real deal? And they got Ty Simpson from Bama. That to me is like just, I don't know what Ty Simpson is. I don't know. Is that another classic Bama QB? Who's like, you know, just plays within his his structure.
00:30:51
Savage Boston
He looked good earlier in the season. Other than that, I mean, there's, they're like, it's, you know, it's hard to know how these guys are going to pan out.
00:30:58
Snooty
Yeah.
00:30:59
Savage Boston
Carnell Tate from Ohio state looks really good. um Again, like Sonny styles from Ohio state looks really good. And there's a bunch of like offensive tackles that people are going to draft. That's going the run. You want to talk about the real run on players, dude? It's just to, how many O tackles are going to get drafted in the first round?
00:31:15
Savage Boston
Like eight? It's going to be like, that's what everyone wants now. Everyone's just like load up on tackle and guards. It's impossible to find on the free agency market.
00:31:23
PatsPro
What team's going to make the mistake and draft Jeremiah Love in the first 10 picks?
00:31:28
Savage Boston
Probably Vegas again. They'll just be like, let's get a number back. They'll just run a two running back backfield with Jensen.
00:31:33
Snooty
A pony backfield.
00:31:34
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, like that pick looks not good. Looks not. I mean, looking like yeah those, those, that draft capital that they use to take of running back who impacted your team at basically 0% this year.
00:31:50
Savage Boston
That was your first round pick, dude. Like, why didn't you go pick? They should, they could have picked ah the O tackle. What's his face we're on the jets.
00:32:00
Snooty
Mambo.
00:32:00
PatsPro
Oh, yeah, Membu.
00:32:01
Savage Boston
Manbu. They should have taken Manbu. That was the prediction. Everyone's like, oh, they're definitely taking Manbu. They're like, no, let's take a running back. It didn't make sense then. you know, people were trying to talk us to be like, oh, they got to take Gentie at four.
00:32:16
Savage Boston
Like, happy we didn't do that.
00:32:16
Snooty
No.
00:32:19
Snooty
No. And again, no one who actually like follows the draft or the draft process was seriously considering that. It's just people being like, oh, it's draft?
00:32:30
Snooty
Oh, okay. Yeah, no, take this guy. I saw highlights of him. He stands there like he's a stalker in the backfield, and then he takes the handoff. And it's like, no, you should never take a running back in the first round ever, much less top fucking five.
00:32:44
Savage Boston
Just the impact isn't there unless your name is like Derek Henry in your prime. It just doesn't have the impact like that.
00:32:50
Snooty
If you were like you know, the Rams have like a top 10 pick right now because the Falcons are stupid.
00:32:55
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:32:55
Snooty
Like, let's say the rent. It was last year and the Rams had that pick and it was like they had the opportunity to take them. Okay. Yeah, I could see that because that's putting gente on like a Super Bowl team. Right. so that's taking a top 10 talent at running back, but putting it on a loaded, like established team. That might make sense because it pushes your veteran quarterback over the top, whatever. Maybe you're getting another Super Bowl with your veteran quarterback.
00:33:19
Snooty
Anybody else drafting in the top 10 probably doesn't have very good old line, right, to actually maximize the return.
00:33:24
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:25
Snooty
It's just dumb. And also I love how every pod we always end up back and talk about the draft.
00:33:31
Savage Boston
I know. Well, we haven't in a while because there's been so much to talk about games, but like we'll be doing plenty of draft talk, I'm sure, in the next like bunch of months after the season. But I, but But yeah, like Jeremiah Love, someone's going to take him early. Someone's going to take him.
00:33:44
Savage Boston
who was Who was really high? so i fit Was Brett really high on him? Who was really high on Jeremiah Love?
00:33:49
Snooty
I mean, he's really good, but It's like, it's a weird thing where you can be like, no, that running back is really good and he's like an amazing talent, but like I want no part of taking him in the first round.
00:33:51
Savage Boston
Yeah, I know. But someone we were talking to was really high on him, and I don't remember who. Was someone just in in our like group chat?
00:33:57
PatsPro
It wasn't me.
00:33:59
Savage Boston
ah Sorry. Excuse me.
00:34:09
Snooty
You what mean? Like,
00:34:10
Savage Boston
Yes, it's just positional impact, man. Like you need impact. It's like we talk about drafting like an amazing center or guard. Like is it like is it worth a top 10 pick at a guard versus like the positional impact of a tackle, you know, for instance, or edge rusher or a quarterback or, you know, so it's just position impact.
00:34:31
Snooty
It's different. The difference between a guard or a tackle and a running back is twofold because a guard or tackle makes a running back better one, but a guard or tackle can also play for 10 years and still have relative value in year seven, eight, nine, 10.
00:34:43
Snooty
Whereas a running back is only going to diminish after you're like two or three, right?
00:34:48
Savage Boston
You want a great, one, a great question for an AI system, whoever can use AI.
00:34:48
Snooty
Like,
00:34:53
Savage Boston
And when's the last like first round running back that got a second contract with the same team.
00:34:58
PatsPro
I can tell you right now.
00:35:01
Savage Boston
know I mean? Like how many of those do you think don't get second contract? I wonder if a wide receiver too, cause I bet it's low, like how risky it is. what mean? Like getting a second contract.
00:35:13
Savage Boston
Got anything there, John?
00:35:17
PatsPro
Did you just tell people my name?
00:35:19
Savage Boston
Oh, sorry, Pat Spry.
00:35:20
PatsPro
No, you're fine. Hold on. Grok is going to tell me.
00:35:24
Savage Boston
First name, there's many Johns.
00:35:25
PatsPro
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The recent NFL running back to receive a second contract. um
00:35:33
Snooty
Barkley?
00:35:34
PatsPro
Yeah, Saquon Barkley.
00:35:36
Savage Boston
He got a second contract with the with the Giants before he got traded.
00:35:36
Snooty
He got, I think he got like a but short extension or something.
00:35:38
PatsPro
Yeah. Yeah, it was it was that short little extension.
00:35:42
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:35:43
PatsPro
um
00:35:44
Snooty
Like a one-year pay bump or something.
00:35:45
PatsPro
it was literally, a it was three years, 37.75 million. that's three years three thirty seven point seven five million oh no that's That's what he signed with with the Eagles.
00:35:54
Savage Boston
That's what the Eagles. Yeah.
00:35:55
PatsPro
um Yeah, it was Saquon. Oh, no. but Hold on. this I'm confused.
00:36:04
Savage Boston
But like, same with same with wide receiver, same with wide receiver though, too.
00:36:06
PatsPro
It's Saquon. It's Saquon.
00:36:08
Savage Boston
It's like it's just harder to hit. Obviously there's risk with, with any of the skill positions, it's just hard to hit and like getting that second contract with your same team. which the Patriots, like we talked about, were so notorious for not having any second good second contract players for like like a decade or something.
00:36:26
Savage Boston
Like it was a long, long time where they before they give like a first-round pick a second contract or something. i could Remember they were on that streak and we all talked about how bad it was?
00:36:36
Savage Boston
Like it just proved they couldn't draft.
00:36:37
Snooty
Yeah.
00:36:38
Savage Boston
That was like, we're not did you notice how we're no longer just hammering them for their drafting? Which obviously is a lot better without their winning. But that was the talking point for like five years where like, hey, we can't draft this bad.
00:36:53
Savage Boston
You can't draft this way. If you keep drafting this way, you're going to suck eventually. And like it happened and they went through their their down years and I'm happy to be on the upswing. But like it proved the point that you can't just be horrible at drafting.
Red Sox Moves and Game Predictions
00:37:07
Savage Boston
So that's why the draft is really important. And I know that not everyone has to be like draft nerds and want to research it all the time. But like it's it's just it's vital. Drafting is vital.
00:37:17
PatsPro
So it was actually Christian McCaffrey, not Saquon. Saquon's second contract came with the Eagles.
00:37:20
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:37:21
PatsPro
I was reading it wrong. Christian McCaffrey signed his signed a four-year, million dollars deal with the Panthers and on April sixteenth of
00:37:23
Savage Boston
Oh.
00:37:33
Savage Boston
Okay. So Hall of Fame.
00:37:33
PatsPro
he was
00:37:34
Savage Boston
So a Hall of Fame running back.
00:37:35
PatsPro
correct
00:37:37
Savage Boston
Okay. You know what I mean? Like that's, that's the quality. That's what you need. Like the last running back is like a Hall of Fame running back and like,
00:37:44
Snooty
who won nothing with his team. Not necessarily his fault, but like it's indicative of, know,
00:37:46
Savage Boston
it's little,
00:37:50
Savage Boston
Yeah, but versus like stud um stra offensive tackles.
00:37:51
PatsPro
who also has questionable health sometimes.
00:37:53
Snooty
that's the other part of it.
00:37:54
PatsPro
Unless I trade him off my fantasy team and all of a sudden he's the best running back of all time.
00:37:57
Snooty
Well, it's like, do you guys, I don't know if you're big base, do you remember Joe Maurer? He was a catcher for a while for the twins and he was awesome.
00:38:04
PatsPro
Mm-hmm.
00:38:05
Snooty
And then they were like, Oh yeah, to preserve his bat, we want to move him to first base.
00:38:05
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:08
Snooty
And it's like, because, you know, catcher obviously is more it's more taxing, but his bat wasn't nearly as good as a first baseman as it was as a catcher. Part of his inherent value was that he played catcher, and he was a good catcher, and his bat played really well at catcher.
00:38:23
Snooty
So it's like for a running back, I say that to say, like, if a running back, you're like, oh, you have to limit his touches to make sure he's healthy. It's like, okay, yeah, but then that means I'm not using my running back that's supposedly awesome as much as I want to use my running back, right?
00:38:36
Snooty
Like, it's like, so it's that type of thing. A guard, you can just fucking put a guard, and he's just going to go get in car accidents for fucking 10 years, you know?
00:38:43
Savage Boston
every play end
00:38:46
Snooty
That's what a lineman do.
00:38:46
PatsPro
Which is why we should have never given up on Joe Tooney.
00:38:50
Snooty
Or Shaq Mason.
00:38:51
PatsPro
Or Shaq Mason. That's true. That still hurts.
00:38:54
Snooty
mean, Tooney's still playing, but...
00:38:55
PatsPro
and And still playing well, by the way.
00:38:57
Snooty
Yeah.
00:38:58
Savage Boston
That's crazy.
00:38:59
PatsPro
Fucking Bill.
00:39:00
Savage Boston
Just great. I just saw a Red Sox tweet. Someone sent me to say that Pete Alonzo's price likely increased with the Schwarber news and Alonzo might be seeking a six or seven year deal.
00:39:06
PatsPro
Yeah, of course it did. Can we just talk about the Red Sox, by the way, really quick? They're not going to sign anyone. It's going to be Alex Bregman. It's going to be for some fucking bullshit minimum of whatever his style of player deal is. It's going to be on a discount because his market is fucking shit.
00:39:26
Savage Boston
Yeah, they're gonna, they're
00:39:27
PatsPro
And we're going to be sitting here in fucking September being like, oh, if they had only gotten Pete Alonzo, they're not going to do it.
00:39:36
Savage Boston
I think they're gonna do more than you think. I don't know if they're gonna be, they're gonna make a couple of trades for certain.
00:39:38
PatsPro
No, they're not.
00:39:41
Savage Boston
And I don't know if they're gonna,
00:39:41
PatsPro
Well, they just traded away one of our players to, who was it, the Angels?
00:39:45
Savage Boston
what Vaughn Griffin, Vaughn Griffin.
00:39:46
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:39:47
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:39:47
Snooty
Yeah, but Grissom was never going to stick with the club.
00:39:49
PatsPro
The Chris Sale trade just providing so much value.
00:39:51
Savage Boston
Yeah. No, it was a bad trade, but like, I think mark ah what's his name? ah Marte is a legitimate, legitimate trade. And there's a lot of smoke around that and he's a good player, but you need a huge bat. I just think you should go, but they should go balls to the wall for Alonzo overpay him. They should. It's what they should do.
00:40:10
Savage Boston
They need him so bad. Sorry, my throat. They need him so bad at first base. They need a right-handed power hitter middle of the bat. So they need him bad. And then if they get Marte, I think that's really great for the line. and then think you're good. You get those two bats.
00:40:24
Savage Boston
Pitching staff, round it out. I think you're a really good team. And then ro you forget Roman Anthony.
00:40:27
PatsPro
Yeah, but Manchester United needs another forward, okay?
00:40:31
Savage Boston
What?
00:40:31
PatsPro
Manchester United needs another forward. So how can they pay Pete Alonso?
00:40:36
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's they've spent plenty of money in the on ah Liverpool.
00:40:40
PatsPro
Yeah, or Liverpool, whatever it was.
00:40:40
Savage Boston
livenpool it's been Yeah, Manchester United needs another four-year.
00:40:41
PatsPro
You know what I mean? Well, and I forgot, was it Liverpool or Manchester United? Fenway Sports Group owns too many things.
00:40:49
Savage Boston
yeah Roush racing or whatever. their ah Yeah, their whole portfolio. Yeah, honestly, like they need to not up or shut up.
00:40:56
Snooty
I
00:40:57
Savage Boston
Anyway, let's let's bounce back. we'll just We'll finish it up. um Predictions. I feel like we've been pretty good on these predictions. Pretty good. Off sometimes, pretty good most of the time.
00:41:08
Savage Boston
Pats, Bills, I'm going to go 28, 28, 24 Pats. twenty eight twenty four pats
00:41:18
Snooty
um i was going to say
00:41:19
PatsPro
That was also the score I was eyeing as well. I'm pissed.
00:41:23
Snooty
I was going to say 27-24, I'll switch it up little bit here. will go 31-20, Patriots. Yes. field goal, Eisenberg.
00:41:26
Savage Boston
yeah Come on.
00:41:27
Snooty
i will go
00:41:27
Savage Boston
3120?
00:41:28
Snooty
thirty one twenty patriots yes
00:41:33
Savage Boston
Wow.
00:41:34
Snooty
late field goal is
00:41:35
PatsPro
Drake May. Drake May goes fucking nuclear. 38-17 Patriots. Oh. Oh. seventeen patriots
00:41:42
Savage Boston
oh my god I mean, you want to talk creamsicles.
00:41:46
PatsPro
oh
00:41:46
Savage Boston
that'll be yeah
00:41:47
PatsPro
ah
00:41:48
Savage Boston
We'll be in the parking lot after. Everyone will be like, it'll be a hat and t-shirt party.
00:41:51
PatsPro
yeah Yeah, you'll be DMing me, bro, was so good, and I'll be sitting on my couch going, yeah, I know.
00:41:53
Savage Boston
That's for sure.
00:41:56
Savage Boston
then If they're up like that, I'll be live streaming. i'll put a Twitter live stream the whole end of the game. I'll have to be up there. I'll be enjoy the atmosphere. everybody Yeah, be nice. All right, guys. Well, thanks for tuning in. We appreciate it. Appreciate the time. Listen to us.
00:42:11
Savage Boston
Yeah. We'll we'll catch you next time. Peace.
00:42:14
Snooty
Yep.