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EPISODE 55 - Patriots win!! 4-2. first place in AFC EAST!
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Introduction and Patriots' Victory
00:00:00
Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here. it is October 14th, 2025, 8.30 at night.
00:00:07
Snooty
That is.
00:00:08
Savage Boston
Coming off another another pretty big win.
00:00:11
Bret
Thank you.
00:00:12
Savage Boston
I don't know, everybody, ah before i introduce, I'm Scott with Savage Boston Sports. I'm here with, back with Snooty Boston here, who's a triumphant return.
00:00:22
Savage Boston
And we got our our guy Brett, per usual, in the In the co-host chair.
AFC East Standings Surprise
00:00:28
Savage Boston
ah So yeah, we're we're coming off the big win against the Saints. Patriots are now 4-2, which is probably like the best case scenario, I suppose, that you could have imagined them being at this point.
00:00:42
Savage Boston
And even better than that, they are in first place in the AFC East. which is fucking crazy. And I did not see that. hat i like I thought they could they could be 3-3 in this stretch, but I just didn't envision them being at first. So a real pleasant pleasant surprise. so um you know Not to mention how much of like a trap game that was coming off the emotional ah the emotional game and victory in in Buffalo.
00:01:07
Snooty
Yeah.
00:01:08
Savage Boston
so Anyway, just an awesome win, man. They're rolling right now. and you know i guess I guess I want to lead off with – We're going to get into Drake and all the stuff, how
Controversial Officiating Issues
00:01:18
Savage Boston
he's performing. But I just – because this hot-button topic, I want to lead off with the referees, okay?
00:01:23
Savage Boston
And I know this is ridiculous, but I have never in my life seen ah fucking call – like the one they had on that second Pop Douglas long touchdown, where it was complete play, a full touchdown, no flags on the field, special teams on the field.
00:01:42
Bret
Thank you.
00:01:42
Savage Boston
Then a referee just decided that there was an OPI a full minute earlier. That to me is completely unacceptable by any referees in any sport.
00:01:55
Savage Boston
It's worse than in basketball. where the ref waits to see if the guy hits the basket and then then calls the foul. It's worse than that. It's fucking 60 seconds later. I'm heated as hell already because I was so pissed, I couldn't believe it.
00:02:09
Savage Boston
So, Brett, why don't you lead up? What do you think about the refs, Brett?
00:02:11
Snooty
Thank you.
00:02:12
Savage Boston
I don't
00:02:13
Bret
Well, ah I would say if the NFL is not actively investigating to see if there was money involved this game, they're doing a disservice.
00:02:20
Savage Boston
know.
00:02:23
Bret
Because everyone on earth is thinking it after watching that game. It was incredible how many calls were missed or called against or not called against. And look, don't get me wrong. It was incredible.
00:02:37
Bret
There were some bad calls that went in our favor, but like the biggest ones were definitely calls where I was like, there's no reason why this could be. I mean, you obviously pointed out the one where they took away the touchdown. Then we have the other one when they called digs on the OPI,
00:02:53
Bret
Yeah.
00:02:56
Bret
pretty much run the same kind of route and this time like hollins gets his arm like rip down like no call there and it's just across the board it was just such an abysmal game clearly there was a raft that had the underder It's just like ah hard not to watch that game and go that route because of how egregious those calls were and when they were coming and how they were coming.
00:03:20
Bret
I'm just really happy it didn't amount to really anything. It didn't change the outcome of the game. i mean, you look at that one with Booty and they called Diggs on their initial the first OPI. I mean, we ended up scoring a touchdown on that drive.
00:03:32
Bret
The other one, we did end up turning it over, which did piss me off, but... It didn't impact the game. Then there was a fumble, which was definitely a fumble. And they just didn't call that one as a catch.
00:03:44
Bret
But at the end of the day, even if they punted it was probably the same thing. So no, it worked out. But my God, can these refs get any more susceptible to be like, is this a gambling thing going on? like Did that guy have money on the game? like What is going on? It was just so egregious across the board.
00:04:03
Bret
Haven't seen a game that poorly officiated in a while.
00:04:08
Snooty
I mean, like, I think you hit the nail on the head. Like, outside of the that horrific, that first OPI, all of the other ones, like, individually, you could be like, all right, look, Diggs did kind of extend his arm. I don't think he actually pushed off.
00:04:21
Snooty
But, like, in real time and but in real time, it was like, okay, I could see that maybe.
00:04:21
Bret
It didn't.
00:04:26
Snooty
And the fumbles of bang, bang, like, okay, maybe. But then when you keep stacking all of these on top of each other in the same game, the two-point conversion, where he's, like, laughably in the end zone, you're like, okay.
00:04:37
Snooty
Hold on.
00:04:38
Savage Boston
It's crazy.
00:04:38
Snooty
Like all of these in a row, that's bad. And I think it was, I think it Jim Murray put it best when he was like that one, that first one that Savage talking about. Like that's the type of thing that happens. It's so blatant. It's so egregious that like it, it invites like conspiracy theories about like refs actually having like being involved. Cause it's like the only alternative is that you are so fucking bad at your job that you like,
00:05:03
Snooty
that they that these are the refs that are out there. Like the NFL doesn't give a flying fuck about referees. They don't care. They really don't care. you know They're not full-time officials. You know that's ah longed a longtime referee's son was the side judge that made that do that flag?
00:05:16
Bret
yes
00:05:17
Savage Boston
Jerome Booger? Is it Jerome Booger?
00:05:18
Snooty
Yeah.
00:05:19
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:19
Snooty
Yeah, it's his son.
00:05:21
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's
00:05:21
Snooty
So it's a nepot he's
Refereeing Concerns and Nepotism
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Snooty
a Nepo baby. It's a nepotism thing, right?
00:05:22
Savage Boston
insane.
00:05:23
Savage Boston
He's from New Orleans, isn't he?
00:05:25
Bret
yes
00:05:25
Snooty
Yeah, he went to Tulane.
00:05:26
Snooty
Like it's ah it's a Nepo thing.
00:05:27
Savage Boston
Yeah, boy, there you go. Went to Tulane, yeah.
00:05:29
Snooty
Right. So then you look at that and then you say, OK, like the only alternative is you are that bad at your job that like you don't care. They don't have full time officials.
00:05:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:41
Snooty
They refuse to do that because it costs money. they don't They're not going to do anything that costs money because they don't fucking care because we keep watching.
00:05:45
Bret
Thank you.
00:05:48
Snooty
So it doesn't matter.
00:05:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, it doesn't... I feel like the stakes are too big on some of these calls that, like, unless you're ah million percent sure, like in the playoffs, right? Like, they usually do a little bit better job. They call it a little ah little less ticky-tack, right, in the playoffs, right?
00:06:04
Savage Boston
Unless you're incredibly sure... that that that's a a really obvious OPI because, again, like it's 60 yards from the play, from the act. I mean, it has nothing to do with the result of the play, with the blocking.
00:06:20
Savage Boston
Like that's what makes it so embarrassing. Like it has nothing to do with the play. it's um like you can't, it affects the game so greatly. And I know they won the game. And like, I think the digs one too, to me, it's just such an outstanding play by Drake may watching it back. was a ridiculous play in the past was ridiculous.
00:06:39
Savage Boston
And you got a little, little extension by digs, but even in real time, I was like, that's incredible. The guy doesn't even like throw the, you know, he throws it late again. It's like, Okay, you know, and then you come back to the next play, there's a blatant DPI grabbing his hand before the ball.
00:06:54
Savage Boston
No call. I thought for sure that'd be the makeup for their screw-up. So it's like, and obviously after the DeMario Douglas second touchdown, they did throw a makeup DPI, a extremely obvious.
00:07:00
Bret
Thank you.
00:07:06
Savage Boston
They're like, yeah, okay. And it was like, shit's embarrassing. Like you should have a higher level of competency. It's like being in the playoffs in Major League Baseball. And like how many times you've seen it over and over and over again.
00:07:18
Savage Boston
Like people now just straight up want Robo-Ump's because they can't deal with having blatant screwed up calls every single game. And in football, it's just affecting, it affects too much of the game.
00:07:31
Savage Boston
It's too much. and And I think it's like there has to be some sort of some sort of recourse. I'm happy they won, but that obviously could have fully derailed the game. Yeah.
00:07:39
Snooty
You need a sky judge. You just need a an official who's in the box who can whisper who can call down and be like, no, you fucked up, no, and just like overturn it right away.
00:07:47
Bret
well Well, that's what happened. I mean, that's what happened on that two-point conversion that came around. And like
Sky Judge Proposal and Technology in Sports
00:07:54
Snooty
ah the and
00:07:54
Bret
it was funny watching the broadcast because like Adam Archuleta is basically talking about where May's body was.
00:08:02
Bret
He's like, he is like full chest past. He's almost at his hip past the goal line, and he's like,
00:08:12
Bret
Basically trying to say like how it's like physically impossible for that ball to have not broken the plane there. And they're like, nope, not going to do it. So then they they go to the sky judge and the sky judge was basically like, that was legit.
00:08:25
Bret
But ah yeah, i i it was just, it was bad.
00:08:27
Savage Boston
I couldn't listen to one either.
00:08:31
Bret
I'm glad it didn't impact the outcome of the game and we came around on it, but it was just so painful to watch.
00:08:37
Snooty
But I think the Sky Judge right now can only do call down for like things like that, like overturning like turnovers and stuff, or like spots.
00:08:45
Bret
Thank you.
00:08:46
Snooty
Like last night, I think it was the... ah It might have been the Bills game, the Falcons game, where they they like called down and said, no, no, it's not third and one, it's a first down. right like And it's supposed to expedite like the replay of it so they don't have to fucking challenge it and go through this whole fucking nine.
00:09:02
Snooty
But like they should be able to be like, no, that's fucking... but Like last year in the playoffs, the missed the miss face mask. Was it Donald on the Vikings that they completely blew it?
00:09:12
Snooty
And you're like...
00:09:12
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah.
00:09:13
Snooty
You know, like ah ah someone should be able to call down and be like, hey, he fucking ripped his helmet off. Like, I can't believe you three idiots missed this, but like, I'm going to fucking call it for you. You know what I mean? Like, they should be able to do that.
00:09:23
Savage Boston
but' sure to happen It should happen immediately. like It should be like a guy watching real time,
00:09:25
Snooty
Yes.
Drake May's MVP Candidacy
00:09:28
Savage Boston
watch that play, and be like instantaneously but go like, whoa, quick official timeout.
00:09:32
Savage Boston
Be like, who'd you make that call on? Who's the call? Is it Diggs? Well, he's 60 yards from the play. Okay, they're just hand fighting. That's a touchdown. It should happen that quick. like so like white like Stretch for the Patriots. He's up watching the game somewhere, making quick decisions, like challenge it.
00:09:48
Savage Boston
Yep, okay, the spots are... Like, he's doing it real-time. You're telling me this league with these billions of dollars in gambling deals... They can't figure out how to have a dude sit up there and be like, oh, that's not a penalty. Like, you can watch in real time. Like, even the Diggs one, you really slow that down, then it looks like the arm push. Or, like, when in super slow-mo, you're like, all right, yeah, maybe that's enough.
00:10:09
Savage Boston
But in real time, you watch the playback, you would never call that OPI. Like, go watch it back in real time. There's barely a push. It's like the tiniest. Like, you would not call that. That's not a call.
00:10:19
Bret
I actually, i would actually say in slow-mo, I was like, that is not an OPI.
00:10:20
Savage Boston
Like, it never gets called.
00:10:26
Bret
Whereas real time, I could see why he did it because you get the full, you get like the arm extension, but you realize that he was really just feeling,
00:10:30
Snooty
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:33
Savage Boston
I don't think it looked bad. I'm just saying even real time. I don't think it looked bad at all.
00:10:36
Bret
He didn't. I'm just saying like the replay probably made me think a little bit better. But no, they can figure it out. It's very easy to do. Just like any other major sporting event can figure out. The technology is there. it's They choose not to.
00:10:49
Bret
Plain and simple.
00:10:50
Savage Boston
You play fucking tennis, dude. And like, they can get the little shadow of the fucking ball.
00:10:55
Snooty
yeah
00:10:55
Savage Boston
If it like hits a line or not. And you're telling me you can't figure out what a fucking OPI is.
00:11:00
Snooty
They don't care.
00:11:00
Bret
Let's get the chain gang out.
00:11:01
Snooty
Yeah,
00:11:02
Savage Boston
Get the fucking tennis crew out here. get the Let's get the Skyhawk or
00:11:05
Snooty
but they don't care. How is that going to impact the bottom line if they spend all this money to get better refs and get better technology? It's not going to help them make money.
00:11:14
Savage Boston
i whatever.
00:11:15
Snooty
They...
00:11:16
Savage Boston
Yeah, but I mean, do you care about the product? Does the league care about the product? Do they care about having legitimate judges?
00:11:20
Snooty
they they
00:11:22
Savage Boston
like I mean, sometimes you say, no, they don't really.
00:11:24
Bret
Thank you.
00:11:25
Snooty
they They care about the product in so much as people consume the product. And people are going to consume the product if they... We consumed the product when there were literal replacement officials out there signaling touchback and touchdown at the same time in Seattle, again, for that Green Bay game, right? And we were like, this is fucking comical. But who saw it?
00:11:45
Snooty
Fucking millions of people because it was on national television and we were watching. They don't care.
00:11:49
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:11:50
Snooty
They don't care. It's not, it doesn't, until they start to lose money from it, they're not going to, they're not going to invest and actually fix it.
00:12:01
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean, it was a, ah I think I literally just breaking news that Alex Bregman's opting out of his contract. Who's on just officially opting out. So little Red Sox, little Red Sox tidbit in the middle there.
00:12:12
Bret
Thank you.
00:12:13
Savage Boston
um Yeah. So, I mean, I think if, if we want to obviously get it back to, get it back to Drake, not to keep ranting about the refs, but like, obviously we can, because it it truly was that bad. And I feel like it's, it's worth it. And I know that like, you don't want to be the guys to complain about the officials all the time, but like, we don't, what pod we haven't, what podcast have we come on here? i don't think we've even complained about the officials on any podcast that we've had.
00:12:37
Savage Boston
We've never come on and be like, yeah, this is, this is why they won. This is why they lost. Like I have not seen anything like this. um ever. So what I want to throw out too, is I just got a PFF tweeted this out recently and I want to throw it back to Drake May, right?
00:12:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:12:53
Savage Boston
So PFF tweeted out 40 minutes ago, said Drake May on 20 plus yard throws this year. He has a 99.9 PFF grade, 75% adjusted completion percentage, eight big time throws and zero turnover worthy plays.
00:13:09
Savage Boston
right So he's lighting it up down the field. it's been incredible He has the best metrics in football and like passing downs over 10 yards. So my question would be, why would Drake May not be an MVP frontrunner right now?
00:13:24
Savage Boston
Who wants to take that?
00:13:27
Snooty
It's similar to college awards where unless you start out at the front of like the inconsideration for an award, you really have to work to get up to that point. It's not quite as bad, but like he was never... i mean, his odds were, what, 30,000 plus 30,000 or something to be an MVP, to win the MVP preseason?
00:13:46
Snooty
like Obviously, I think it's like 1,000 now, but um if you start that far back, you have to do that much more work to catch up, to be at the front. And he's not... I know he's emerging right now, but he's not as big a name as some of the other guys that are ahead of him.
00:14:01
Snooty
Plus, Mayfield's playing out of his mind at the moment. Baker Mayfield is legitimately like playing like an MVP. I don't know if Mahomes is necessarily, but he's the name and you know whatever.
00:14:13
Snooty
He gets lot of the Brady never got in terms of MVP shit. But...
00:14:17
Savage Boston
because, yeah, I mean, it's as you said, it's based on reputation.
00:14:20
Bret
Well, I mean, right now, it's pretty much if you were to name the three, it would be Goff, Baker, and May. So I think he's definitely top three at
00:14:30
Savage Boston
is number one right now, unlike the odds.
00:14:32
Bret
Yeah, but that's just because of where he's at right now. I mean, I don't see Kansas City long-term. Like, they're still struggling to figure shit out and get their stuff together.
00:14:47
Bret
And so i don't see him rallying through. i mean, I think the hard one is going to be Goff because he's got so many freaking weapons and their offensive line is still so legit that he's going to be a hard one to knock off. whereas like I mean, Baker's balling, but like if you compare the numbers, it's not far off from Drake.
00:15:10
Bret
So, you know, I think it's one of those areas where, to Snooty's point, it's because Drake wasn't in early consideration that it's hard for him to write rise the ranks here.
00:15:22
Bret
But the way I look at it is, if you can take a team that only won four games and then rattle off a bunch and see where it goes, like, obviously early on, but at this point, everyone's saying, like,
00:15:35
Bret
If we don't make the playoffs, it's a bust. And you look at his stat line and what he's doing, and it's not only just like what he's doing from a stat line, but it's also like what he's accounting for for the offense. It's just off the charts good. like Off the charts good.
00:15:53
Bret
So yeah, while those guys like statistically are having some good runs, like if you were to take out like his blow-up turnover game against Pittsburgh, like he is just playing
00:16:00
Snooty
Thank you.
00:16:05
Bret
Phenomenal. So it's just, it's hard.
00:16:07
Savage Boston
Also, who would argue who would argue that he's not – like he's putting the team on his back
00:16:08
Bret
um
00:16:10
Bret
well
00:16:15
Savage Boston
so aggressively like every game it's him and it feels it's not him alone, but like he is really like the team. Like it goes how Drake goes. You know what mean? Like the defense, ah you know, has had really good games, some solid games, you know, this past game, they, they struggled a bit.
00:16:31
Savage Boston
And I thought Spencer Rattler actually looked pretty solid. I thought Rattler was hitting the open guy at a nice quick release. You know, I liked how Rattler looked. he He wasn't good enough to take his team there.
00:16:43
Savage Boston
You know what I mean? Like that's what rat Rattler felt a little like Mack Jones-ian. You know what I mean? It was like he did it enough. He had little little dips and dunks. He got it there. And then it's like, you know, but once it came time to go win the game, he didn't have enough to win it versus May is doing that now.
00:16:58
Savage Boston
Like May for the last two games, I mean, he's just going out and winning games. Final drive shit. Like go out him and booty that back shoulder catch, like some excellent stuff. So, um so yeah, I mean –
00:17:08
Bret
you
00:17:10
Savage Boston
I think what May hass done has done has been exceptional, and um I don't see why he shouldn't be right now really considered a top three in MVP because Josh Allen's not right now. You know, Lamar's hurt.
00:17:22
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's really like to me it's like probably Mahomes, Baker, and and and May. And then, sure, if you want to talk about maybe Goff, but I think those three between Baker, Mahomes, and May, those are the MVP candidates right now.
00:17:35
Snooty
You could throw Dak in there if the Cowboys were winning because he's putting up.
00:17:38
Savage Boston
Yeah, I think. They were 4-2 or something. but
00:17:40
Snooty
Yeah, but they're not. where are they Are they three and three? Are they two and three?
00:17:45
Savage Boston
No, they just lost to the Panthers.
00:17:46
Snooty
Oh,
00:17:48
Savage Boston
They're like 2-3-1.
Trade Possibilities and Team Needs
00:17:49
Savage Boston
Didn't they tie?
00:17:50
Snooty
ah yeah, they tied. oh yeah.
00:17:52
Savage Boston
So they're 2-3-1.
00:17:52
Bret
ah want That random tie...
00:17:52
Snooty
Oh, yeah.
00:17:53
Savage Boston
They lost to the Panthers.
00:17:56
Savage Boston
Terrible tie.
00:17:57
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, like, look, I don't need him to be. I never needed Drake May to be an MVP this season or play MVP caliber for this to be a successful season.
00:18:09
Snooty
I mean, he's clearly shown the heights that he can reach, which is amazing, especially given they really haven't filled everything else out around him yet. um I mean, I think he's elevating the wide receiver core.
00:18:20
Snooty
Booty's been a revelation, right? Like, Booty's really played well.
00:18:22
Savage Boston
Yeah. It's great season.
00:18:24
Snooty
Booty's played really, really well.
00:18:24
Savage Boston
Yeah, great season.
00:18:26
Snooty
Diggs is really good. um The tight ends are solid. Everything else for receivers okay best. okay ah per
00:18:34
Savage Boston
Hold on. So if you're going to make a trade for a receiver right now, just to go jump into this, if you want to make a trade, let's say to bring up receiver first. First of all, do you really want to, like who, what type of receiver do you want to bring in?
00:18:46
Savage Boston
Right? Because you got, you know, you got booty as a really solid option. Diggs is great. He's been great and great in the slot. He was outstanding against Buffalo.
00:18:55
Bret
that's
00:18:56
Savage Boston
Like what, like you just need to bring in like a pure X, like just a pure outside wide receiver. Is that who you'd get? And so then you just have, yeah What if you trade for like Chris Olave or something? You bring in Olave, Booty, and Dig. You know what i mean? Like who would you want at wide receiver presuming you can't get A.J. Brown?
00:19:13
Snooty
Probably somebody like Diggs, but younger, right? Like if you're looking to add someone premier, probably someone who can play like the Z or the X, who can who can be the outside guy but can move inside. So the the two of them could kind of alternate.
00:19:25
Savage Boston
What flop?
00:19:26
Snooty
Booty's like a true X outside receiver. Like he's not like your like standard alpha, whatever people want to describe it as. But he has an an incredible rapport with May. He's playing really well.
00:19:38
Savage Boston
May love Rudy.
00:19:38
Snooty
i don't I don't want to fuck with that at the moment, right? Like, it's you want consistency with the young quarterback. He clearly clicks with May. may he has a May has a ton of trust in him, hence the back shoulder throw, the touch net the first touchdown for one in the back of the end zone. um I mean, like, don't fuck with that. So I'd want someone more. Like, Alave might be a good good good choice, good option. He's on his last year of his deal, right?
00:20:01
Bret
Thank you.
00:20:02
Snooty
And that team, while not terrible, they're not going anywhere,
00:20:05
Savage Boston
Olabe will get dealt somewhere. Like he might get dealt like Kansas City or something or Buffalo. Like I could watch out for the two kind of big fish there, picking up Olabe or I try to, if you're a fan of teams, why wouldn't you be adding?
00:20:15
Snooty
Yeah, and and they'll outspend you.
00:20:18
Savage Boston
I don't even.
00:20:19
Snooty
And they'll outspend you. You know what Because like a one, I'm not saying they would send a one on a lobby, but like a one or a two to them when they're in a championship contending window is worth a lot less than you when you're in like a, still a growing building window.
00:20:21
Savage Boston
Yeah. Oh yeah. They're more desperate than you.
00:20:36
Snooty
I'm not trading a one or two unless it's, um I don't want to trade a one at all, but i don't want to trade a two unless it's for someone who has some measure of cost control.
00:20:45
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:45
Bret
I mean, to me, it's a media i don't I don't know why you'd go wide receiver, though.
00:20:45
Savage Boston
I mean, i think getting a wider superhero would be
00:20:50
Bret
like To me, it's a running back. You need a fucking running back. Because, i mean, Henderson's just not producing. Like you can't trust Stevenson.
00:21:02
Bret
Like he's just in critical moments. You just can't trust the guy to be able to do it. You got Jennings. I guess you could pull up. I mean, but do we really think those guys are going to also be bell cows for the whole year?
00:21:14
Bret
Like even just from a depth standpoint, know. We need to get running back. Like we need to add and you could look across the board like we could add in a lot of positions because as we've talked about at length, depth is a huge issue for this team.
00:21:30
Bret
Like we are or one to two critical like injuries and our season is shit. yeah So we really can't afford it.
00:21:38
Savage Boston
Well,
00:21:39
Bret
So I would say running back.
00:21:41
Savage Boston
as as Bratz mentioned a bunch of times, and and i like this point. as right now, like, especially with low round draft picks, like don't overvalue the draft picks. Okay. And especially with, with late draft picks, like, yeah, I value first three rounds, no question, but the hit rate, like, especially if you look at this past year's draft, like there's some really cool graphs that show like how much time players play.
00:22:03
Savage Boston
And you look like rounds four through seven, and it is like, It's barren. It's maybe 10% of the guys. like It really drops aggressively after round three or even really after round two.
00:22:11
Bret
Thank you.
00:22:15
Savage Boston
So I think um someone like like if you want to give a rate a late round pickup, like I don't know, maybe you can convince the Jets again to trade off Brees Hall on an expiring deal. like Give them a sixth for Brees Hall. like I don't know what they'd want to do. like They fucking suck. they're ohn they're oh There's no way I'm giving up a third or a fourth for Brees fucking Hall.
00:22:34
Savage Boston
I'm not doing that for any running back. I know even that the whole Derrick Henry trade scenario today was funny. I was just posting the Derrick Henry trade scenario from Bill Simmons' one. threw that out there in a tongue in cheek. He said Romandre in a second, but like, you're not, you're not going to trade a second round pick for running back. But like, but again, especially since you just drafted a running back with a second round pick, but it was a funny thing.
00:22:56
Savage Boston
um Anyway, if you, you, I would give up a late round pick, especially for again, like I like Brie Saul. Brie Saul is a good back. Like he's a really solid running back. He's a patient back. He'd be someone you could really, you could really use.
00:23:09
Savage Boston
I just don't – like I like Ramondre for the most part, but he's not running well and he fumbles. Travion Henderson, i don't know. You tell me.
00:23:16
Snooty
Thank you.
00:23:18
Savage Boston
You tell me what's going on.
00:23:18
Bret
He can't find the hold. he can't find the hold.
00:23:22
Savage Boston
yeah Yeah, I agree. i don't He's just not running the ball well. I mean, he's a running back. You got to run the ball. got to run the ball well as a running back. so i don't what the fuck's going on there. i don't know if he just needs more coaching.
00:23:35
Savage Boston
or just continue to design plays that you actually put him in space. Cause last game I saw his chart, I think it was like nine or 10 carries. He's running straight up the middle, every play just up the minute. It's like, it was horrible.
00:23:48
Bret
Well, I think it was Phil.
00:23:48
Savage Boston
They have, you know,
00:23:50
Bret
I think Phil Perry had it where he was talking about there's like a stat they have where they have the GPS on the player and then they kind of rate where the blocking was and whatever. And they basically like rate like what your success rate is based on the yards. And essentially Henderson was like a yard short.
00:24:07
Bret
on average from where he should have ended up based on his inability to find the hole and run the route he needed to run when he had the ball. So he is, it was a bad, it was a bad game for the rookies. I mean, Kyle Williams also missed Q completely. I'm going to put that on him with may, um not looking good for those two rookies and guys that we had a lot of hype in because I think there's good potential, but there's something not clicking,
00:24:36
Bret
with them and trying to figure out this offense. And I don't know what it is. Originally, I'm kind of like get frustrated with Josh, but then there's times where i'm like, dude, that's on you. Like that. I'll just throw out one other one where like there was that screen pass that he went to throw it to Henderson. And it basically just like went right off his hands.
00:24:54
Bret
And it was, and he almost like, and he almost like into the,
00:24:55
Savage Boston
No, he just dropped it, yeah. It was a little tight window, but he
00:24:59
Bret
He dropped it and he was like running into his blocker at the same time. Like, I'm just like, I don't, I don't know what to tell you, dude. Like if you can't catch a four yard dump screen, like, I don't know what the fuck to do with you.
00:25:12
Snooty
it's a It's a combination. The run game right now is a combination of the O-lines. The O-lines blocking bad to okay, right? Like there're they're not as bad as everyone is kind of making it out to be.
00:25:25
Snooty
But they obviously need to they need to get a little more push. They need to sustain their blocks a little bit longer. But the running backs are at best getting what's blocked and that's it. And at some point, like, when there's everybody in the box like that, like, you're going to be one-on-one with a safety or something. You've got to make a guy miss as a running back. Like, you've got to make a play. You're an athlete, right? Like, they can't block up everybody. It's never, almost never going to be blocked up perfectly. You have to make a guy miss at some point, and they're just not doing that.
00:25:51
Snooty
they have I think they have the lowest yards after contact for running backs in the league. It's like, like twenty ninth or 29th or 31st or something.
00:25:56
Savage Boston
They've been horrible.
00:25:59
Snooty
It's very, very bottom, like, where you're like – you got to make a play, man. Like you got to like, and I don't know if Ramondre is just like so focused on not fumbling that he's just like, not turtling, but just like, and you know, he's just, yeah.
00:26:11
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's just holding the ball and going slowly through the line.
00:26:13
Snooty
You know, he's just like, I don't fumble, don't fumble, don't fumble, don't fumble. And it's like, you know, I i get that there's a balance there, but like, yes, the O-line has to get better, but I think more of the issue to me is on the running backs than the O-line.
00:26:20
Savage Boston
yeah
00:26:25
Bret
Thank you.
00:26:26
Savage Boston
Dude, when the chips are down and they needed to run the ball and get three yards a carry, they were losing three. Like when the chips were down against the Saints, they got smoked. It was all – we're like, oh, my God. Like they just – talk about making the game hard for Drake, who then still overcame it. Because, I mean, exceed he's exceeded all expectations this year.
00:26:46
Savage Boston
The running game has just – completely failed all expectations. There is no running game. And they have, I think, out of 55 qualified running backs, they have the, according to PFF, they have the 54th and 55th ranked running backs.
00:26:59
Savage Boston
i Like, it's really bad.
00:27:01
Snooty
Yeah.
00:27:01
Savage Boston
So it's funnier to talk about because they're four and two with an easy stretch of games upcoming. So like, you know, they should be winning a bunch of games. So it's stuff that you should be able to figure out and work out.
00:27:12
Savage Boston
But yeah, they got to find an answer. I mean, maybe you see like, if you do make a trade for someone, ah Can you just get someone some talent who maybe can show these guys like a veteran? Like, hey, man here – like, you figure Ramondre should be able to do this stuff, but he's so petrified with the fumbling, as you said. Like, it feels like he's not running hard. And, like, and the blocking's not this bad.
00:27:33
Savage Boston
Their pass blocking's been good. The run blocking can't be this level bad that they can't figure out how to even get positive yardage. Like, I refuse to accept that.
00:27:43
Bret
Yeah, I mean, if we want to go
00:27:44
Snooty
If they make a trade,
00:27:44
Savage Boston
I just –
00:27:45
Bret
If we want to go long-term and play off football, we've got to fix the run game. I've been i'm saying it all year. I mean, we're at least doing it to stay consistent with the play action to keep teams relatively honest.
00:27:59
Bret
But we can't run when it when it matters, and that's a problem. We need to figure it out.
00:28:06
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:28:07
Snooty
they certainly need more balance.
00:28:07
Savage Boston
So accordinging to instead of running back trades really quick, like other avenues to trade – um I'm just going to keep saying it every podcast, I think, until something happens, which is like, I think you need to upgrade the edge position. trey Trey Hendrickson is still the best case scenario for me, um especially since there's no chance you're going to, like, you'd re-sign him.
00:28:29
Savage Boston
He hurt his back a little bit, but he's still playing ball at a really high level. And talk about a guy who affects the quarterback. I mean, he's like, leads league in like pressures for the last like three or so years. He's been outstanding. So,
00:28:39
Savage Boston
um I would love that. I think that makes you your your defensive front outstanding. Other than that, like people throwing out the name like Jalen Phillips in Miami, like you know kind of athletic guy.
00:28:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:28:50
Savage Boston
Can you get him on the cheap? you know Because Miami's you know willing to trade him, as Schefter said. so How do you feel, Snooty? How do you feel about, um and don't know, maybe like an edge rusher or something?
00:29:00
Snooty
Edge is a good spot. Safety is another one. But it's talking about edge, the only reason I would say no to Hendrickson is because the Bengals are going to – the Bengals the Bengals. They never trade anybody.
00:29:08
Savage Boston
don't know.
00:29:09
Snooty
And when they do – so they're going to demand like a two. They're probably going to demand a one, and they might settle for a two.
00:29:15
Savage Boston
yeah
00:29:16
Snooty
And I'm like, I'm not doing that.
00:29:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:29:17
Savage Boston
Never happened.
00:29:17
Snooty
I'm not trading a two for a 31-year-old defensive end with ah a lot of miles on them. I'm not doing that. You're not in that position. If you're the the Chiefs or the Bills – sure. Sure. sure But they're not going to do it. They're going to expect Burrow to come back. They're going to try to do it. They're going try to make money. And that's what they do. That's the Bengals. So I don't think see him as ah as a viable option. Someone like Phillips might be better. Or, you know, the problem with Miami or with the Jets, and that's the reason I said Brees Hall might cost you a three or four, is there's going to be a you know little surcharge on trading within the division.
00:29:50
Snooty
That's life, right? Like, you know, you want to trade in the division? Yeah, all right, fine. You want our running back? Then it's going cost you a little bit more. We still to play you twice, right? I don't know if they play once before the trade deadline. So, I mean, those are probably positions where there might be someone more available.
00:30:04
Snooty
um And even if you just get a situational pass rusher, something, you know, I know they got, was it Akeem Ayers they got in 2014 when they made the run? They got him from Tennessee, I believe.
00:30:17
Snooty
The linebacker, DeAnd, Edge guy, like, You know, you get someone like that, just play situational pass rush. You can actually just just add depth so you're not playing Truman Jones and, you know, ponder and shit at at the end. Like, that helps because you're going to get beat up, you know, playing the same few guys all year.
00:30:34
Snooty
Like, it's you need depth.
00:30:34
Savage Boston
Also, Keon White has been injured a little, but when he is playing, he's not doing enough to provide value there, really.
00:30:41
Snooty
No.
00:30:41
Savage Boston
So you could trade him. Dogger, you kind of have to keep now.
00:30:45
Snooty
No.
00:30:45
Savage Boston
because you played him a bunch. So you can't really, you thought maybe it could trade Duggar because Hawkins is hurt. You kind of have to keep Duggar. So, I mean, I think you could, you could trade off Keon White, maybe Anthony Jennings still, if you really want to do a buy sell thing, like i would just hold on to Jennings probably, but like trade Duggar.
00:31:02
Savage Boston
I'm sorry, trade Keyon White. But, like, I think you've got to look for places to add. Maybe, again, depth a depth corner. Where's a depth cornerback? Like, that's, you know, your corner slot's so ripe for, you know, like, Carlton Davis feels like he's always down. Marcus Jones doing a great job in the slot.
00:31:19
Savage Boston
But, like, injury-wise, I think you could trade swap. Like, what where's, like like, let's do these Howard's Roseman shit. Let's get some, like, late-round swaps. Let's start, like, little Trader Danny, like, action going. I just want to, like,
00:31:33
Savage Boston
feel like I want to feel like the team is seeing what we see, and I think they are, and I think the team i want the team to act like a team that's trying to win now because all a sudden the AFC looks pretty open.
00:31:46
Savage Boston
Aside from, to me, like the Chiefs are, again, probably just going the scariest team. like just Their system is too fucking good. And Mahomes, when he's just on, and yeah, he's doing a little dip and dunks. doesn't matter.
00:31:57
Savage Boston
Their scheme's really good. Their defense is still pretty darn good. And it's like they're going to win a lot of games at some point. So you just hope they lose enough that they don't get a home field or something.
00:32:08
Savage Boston
um So, yeah, so I think it's wide open enough that you can you can make something. And from what we from what we've heard a little bit from our guy, Pat's Pro, checking in with his source, i just saying that they're they're looking for ways to upgrade the team.
00:32:22
Bret
I mean,
00:32:24
Savage Boston
That's what he said today. So listen to our guy, Pat's Pro, knows a guy, knows a guy. um so and i And I think they are. I think they're trying to upgrade the team. I just don't know what length that's going to go to.
00:32:36
Savage Boston
How far do they go? How far are they willing to to ball out?
00:32:40
Snooty
I mean, you could trade a premium pick if it's for someone who, again, you like younger and you'd have the ability to No, but like if you had the ability to...
00:32:40
Bret
i mean
00:32:45
Savage Boston
Yes, it's A.J. Brown, but like that that's probably not going to happen.
00:32:52
Snooty
Alave might be... I wouldn't trade a two or anything for Alave, but like he's an example of someone coming off a rookie deal. He's a younger player. You could resign him. You could keep him.
00:33:00
Savage Boston
yeah
00:33:00
Snooty
That makes sense, right? Someone who can grow. I'm not doing that for like an older... like rental type player. Like it's, it it doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit your window where you are right now.
00:33:12
Bret
Well, see, yeah, I know you got some expensive contracts.
00:33:12
Snooty
We also have two very expensive contracts coming up.
00:33:17
Bret
I mean, I don't know. I look at a guy like Alave, and I'm like, why wouldn't you fucking trade a two for him? happy You know, I just think, again, if I'm looking at it, yeah, I agree. i wouldn't want to get and guy on the edge who's over 30 for that, but if I can get a guy in his mid-20s,
00:33:38
Bret
who's been a proven guy and has good track record on a pretty garbage team, like I would be all in on that. And watching him play, the guy looked... pretty electric, pretty freaking electric.
00:33:51
Bret
So no, to me, I would trade it back in.
00:33:52
Savage Boston
He works pretty good.
00:33:54
Bret
To me, I would trade a second. again I, again, think you overvalue those picks and we have fucking cap space. So even though we have some big bills to pay soon, like we're still, we're still years out on having to pay Drake may like years out.
00:34:07
Bret
So like, can we try to, yeah.
00:34:07
Snooty
two Two years out.
00:34:09
Savage Boston
Zaya.
00:34:10
Bret
So that's, that's,
00:34:10
Snooty
And one year out from paying Gonzalez $35 million a year. And then paying Drake $60 million a year.
00:34:14
Bret
yeah. So years is,
00:34:15
Snooty
and then paying drake like sixty million dollars a year
00:34:17
Bret
Years is in plural and that you have that time to be able to do that and figure out the cap and all those things. Like there's no reason why you can't go out there and sign a guy and pay him for three years for whatever it is like you want to pay him and then watch it extend out. So we have the fucking cap space.
00:34:34
Bret
We have the draft assets to be able to do it. I'm OK getting an upgrade. on an elite guy like that to be able to do it. Now, I think they'll probably go more defense because I think there's more value picks there and they need some support on defense because, again, they're injury away and, you know, their defense is struggling at times to really get off the field. I think they've had some big moments that have stepped up, but, like,
00:34:58
Bret
I would think upgrading the defense is probably where they'll go, and I think there's a better chance that they'll get a better hit there. But, yeah, I mean, you asked me if I can get, like, a premier-level wide receiver for a second-round pick all day, every day.
00:35:13
Snooty
i So I agree they'll go defense just based on the market and the availability of what they can get.
00:35:15
Bret
That's true.
00:35:19
Snooty
I'm not saying they can't they don't have cap space and can't create more cap space. I'm trying to look at it how they view it, which is real money spending. right They're about to spend a shitload of money the next two years on two very, very large contracts.
00:35:34
Snooty
And you can't tell me that they aren't planning for that already. Right? Like, because that's that's what they do. So it's, again, but do I think, like, I'm not a cap is crap guy, but the the cap is real, but it's much more fungible than people would lead you to believe. Some people would lead you to believe.
00:35:49
Snooty
But again, i'm viewing I'm trying to view it through the prism that the team views it, which is they very much care about real cash spending. And they're about to spend just a boatload of money the next two off seasons.
00:36:01
Savage Boston
But again, they also just sold to private equity and they got rid of 8%.
00:36:05
Snooty
There?
00:36:05
Savage Boston
eight percent So they're sitting with a cool $770 million dollars in cash. So not that they need that anyway, because they're profitable every single year with the Patriots.
00:36:14
Snooty
Of course.
00:36:15
Savage Boston
So it's like they got plenty of money. It's all I'm saying. It's not a money problem. It's ah it's a bragging to your buddies problem.
00:36:20
Snooty
Yeah. it's ah It's a willingness to spend.
00:36:21
Savage Boston
It's bragging fucking Jerry Jones.
00:36:23
Snooty
Yeah.
00:36:24
Savage Boston
oh, do you see how little I spent this year and we won?
00:36:26
Snooty
Yeah.
00:36:27
Savage Boston
Oh my God. It's like this jerk off session between all the owners. Like that's, that that's gets them off. Like, look how little I spent and we won you fucking idiots. I like, this is like Felger and Mal's going into the shit and and they and they're right. Like, this is what the owners get off on.
00:36:42
Savage Boston
It's like, it's like on the whole, again, bringing back to baseball again, it's like the GMs in baseball. What are they all brag about it It's like their projected wins over five seasons. It's like this goofy metrics versus the fans just want to win football games.
00:36:55
Savage Boston
Like they would trade one Super Bowl for like many years of suck, you know, and for us, like we we just want to be a competent team again, and which is what we have now.
00:36:58
Bret
I
00:37:05
Savage Boston
And so I just, you see the pathway, you see what the offense can do. They've been impressive. Josh is, is a good OC.
00:37:12
Snooty
Okay.
00:37:12
Savage Boston
And I know everyone wanted to hate on it so much. They like want Josh to fail so bad. I don't know what it is, but like, they just don't like, I don't know what it is, but Josh is a good OC. He's ah helping with Drake a ton.
00:37:25
Savage Boston
Drake is controlled within his system. Now he's making plays out of the system.
00:37:28
Bret
Thank you.
00:37:29
Savage Boston
He looks fantastic. And I think now you see, okay, where do they have real needs? And I think the biggest, like, Let's load up some talent on defense. but Give Drake more opportunities. They couldn't even get off the field against the Saints.
00:37:40
Savage Boston
like give the Give Drake more opportunities. like Let's get an edge. let's get like No one's there at linebacker, but you know maybe ah a depth corner. like Let's improve this team a little bit. Snooty, go for it.
00:37:52
Snooty
I think if you look at all of the the teams that have had like great runs or even like good runs of being like highly competitive for a while, even if they only win one or not even a championship,
00:38:04
Snooty
The key or the the common denominator in all of that is they all have three or four pretty good drafts in a row, right, where they get some depth pieces and things like that. That's how you have sustained success.
00:38:15
Snooty
So I'm not willing to trade all these chips away. Like, I want to have sustained success. The reason they fell off a fucking cliff is because they... and Someone said it was like, and Brett, you'll like this.
00:38:27
Snooty
like if Once you realize that drafting is like three-point shooting and if you hit 40%, you're doing really well, like that makes all the sense in the world, right? Like in terms of drafting. You hit 40% of your draft picks, you're probably in good shape, right? Like you'll be okay.
00:38:42
Bret
Thank you.
00:38:42
Snooty
So you want more more shots at it. That's what you need because you're going to miss on a point.
00:38:45
Savage Boston
Yeah, but you're not selling out. You're not selling out now. This is the argument. You're not. It's not like you're you're selling out all your fucking first like. Who was it? The Rams just got rid all their firsts.
00:38:55
Savage Boston
They're like, fuck it.
00:38:56
Snooty
Fuck them picks.
00:38:56
Savage Boston
We don't do first.
00:38:56
Snooty
Yeah.
00:38:57
Savage Boston
We don't value first. We want talent. And they won a Super Bowl. Good for them. there' And somehow they're still really good because Stafford is an excellent quarterback. He's a great coach in OC.
00:39:08
Savage Boston
So, like, that team has somehow gotten through this, and which is wild.
00:39:11
Snooty
And they, they hit on a, they hit on a mid round pick, fifth round pick and Puka Nakua or fourth round pick or whatever it was.
00:39:14
Savage Boston
Yeah, they hit on a generational, another wide receiver, Buka.
00:39:17
Snooty
You've got to hit, you have to hit on some of those mid round picks.
00:39:18
Savage Boston
Yeah, you got to hit. I get it. But the odds of hitting, they hit also because they have McVay and Stafford. Puka also develops.
00:39:23
Snooty
sure
00:39:23
Savage Boston
If Puka's on a different team, I don't know if Puka is Puka. Whatever.
00:39:27
Snooty
Sure.
00:39:27
Savage Boston
I'm just saying, like, if you're trading late round swaps, sevens, get rid of all your fucking sevens. Get rid of like like, Belichick was great at hitting on those late rounders. I don't know if that's going to be Vrabel and Stretch and Cowden. I don't know if they're, like, i know, like, you know, Booty and Pop were late round guys, and those have really worked out. Those are great hits.
00:39:47
Savage Boston
Great hits, but like it is rare. So if you can say like, all right, we can get Brees Hall for a fifth. Do you do that deal? You know, if we could get a Trey Hendrickson for a third and re-sign him for a couple of years, do you do that deal?
00:40:01
Savage Boston
Like how much do you want to sell out?
00:40:02
Bret
Yeah.
00:40:03
Savage Boston
It's not even, it's not even selling out.
00:40:04
Snooty
Thank you.
00:40:05
Savage Boston
You just want to improve your roster. Like, let's go win. I'm passionate about this only because I'm like, i see the window.
00:40:08
Bret
yeah
00:40:10
Savage Boston
Like teams are kind of middle-ish this year. you just beat Buffalo on the road. You're four and two. Like, The Steelers are four and one. Talk about like a feels like a fraud team. They're four and one.
00:40:23
Savage Boston
So you have a window. It's open. Like improve the team. Go build, go build something.
00:40:33
Bret
Dude, I would fucking love it. Again, we've talked about at length. I have to agree with Snooty, though. I do think looking through the lens of an owner and how the NFL historically approaches this, it's likely it's not going to happen.
00:40:48
Bret
It's just fucking annoying. And it's it's honestly like...
00:40:50
Savage Boston
It's not case.
00:40:53
Bret
I don't know. I mean, again, we talk about NFL. like The nfl tried to try NFL trade deadline is such a dud of an event. like There's really not a lot of movement at all.
00:41:06
Savage Boston
not
00:41:06
Bret
there's no no There's no big names that happen. There's no big changes. There's no seismic shift in like... the makeup like yeah you're right you see it a lot in the nba you see it like huge trades in the mlb it just doesn't happen in the nfl so i don't anticipate anything big to happen i think they'll probably add a piece maybe two on defense to kind of help them out but yeah i mean if you ask me i would say 100 out there if you can get a proven talented guy
00:41:37
Bret
and you're not trading off like a first for him, or if it's a second, to me, I look at a second, I'd be like, okay, the guy's got to be in his mid-20s. I'm not going to trade, and and it has to be something where I know we can extend the guy.
00:41:50
Bret
I'm not going to trade second-round pick to get a guy for a loaner or get a guy that's like over 30 that could you know not give us more reasonable years. But... We have the fucking guy, it looks like, with Drake May. And that was going to be my one thing to caveat into Snooty's take about in order to have sustained success, you need to have a run of three years of good drafts.
00:42:12
Bret
Well, guess what? I mean, if you look at it, I don't think the Chiefs have been drafting, like, overly well for, like, years on years on years. What it is is they have fucking...
00:42:24
Bret
Mahomes out there carrying the team, just like we had Brady out there carrying the team. So when you have generational tight talent, you can get over that. Now, i don't Drake May's not there yet.
00:42:35
Bret
I would fucking love it if he got to that point. At the rate he's going, it gives you gives you a lot of optimism, but you just got to get talent. You can't have enough talent. And we have so much assets, not enough talent. like Let's just continue to fucking be aggressive.
00:42:51
Savage Boston
Yeah, I agree 100%. Let's be aggressive.
Patriots' Game Predictions
00:42:56
Savage Boston
Be aggressive. ah Yeah, so I think, um you know, we got who coming up?
00:43:00
Snooty
Thank you.
00:43:01
Savage Boston
We got the Titans. We got the Browns. We got the Falcons. got tam We got We got – Yeah, I do.
00:43:07
Bret
Falcons could be sneaky tough. Do you think the Falcons are sneaky tough?
00:43:11
Savage Boston
I think the Falcons have some talent on that team, obviously, but, like, they also – you know Didn't the Falcons just lose like 30-0 to the Panthers too? like I don't know. like it's It's having any given Sunday. like Somehow they flustered Josh.
00:43:24
Savage Boston
They ripped off a long run. They blitzed the shit out of Josh Allen, and he just got, I don't know, just one of the few games we've seen recently where Josh josh was not Josh, and Josh has been pretty amazing for the last, I don't know, four or five years. Josh Allen has been Is generational. So I'm surprised he's had a couple of bad years. It's like, i don't know if that offense is people are catching up to it or or what, or their, their talent just isn't good enough to, it's another talent issue.
00:43:51
Savage Boston
Like with my homes, it's his receivers good enough. Well, they are when the fucking lions have a depleted defense and they just can't figure out how to stop dipping dunk passes to the sidelines.
00:44:01
Savage Boston
That's our whole fucking game.
00:44:03
Bret
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing when you look at the Bills and you compare them to the Chiefs, because I would i would agree, Josh Allen and Mahomes are generational, talented quarterbacks. It's the OC. Like, Andy Reid is legit OC on Kansas City, has a great system, knows how to scheme it up, knows how to do it. I mean, the Bills just look kind of vanilla-ish.
00:44:24
Bret
And they also don't have a lot of talent. And they talk about like the predictability rate of like when they get out into certain setups. I forget what it was, but they were talking about how basically like you could tell when they're running because they run at such a high like percentage of the time, you could tell where they're passing.
00:44:40
Bret
Well, if you can give that much predictability to the defense, like this is what you're going to get. So to me, I think it's the lack of an offensive coordinator on Buffalo that's the differentiator between them and Kansas City.
00:44:45
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:44:53
Snooty
This will be a big week for them because they need the buy in a bad way to get healthy. But then do some self-scouting and find those tendencies. it's It's one thing to have tendencies. It's another to like not understand what your tendencies are.
00:45:05
Snooty
If you have a tendency, just break it, and that can actually help you. right like If you have certain tendencies, you can kind of go against them, and then you can kind of fuck with the defense's head, and you can kind of you know use that to your advantage a little bit.
00:45:12
Bret
Thank you.
00:45:16
Snooty
But you have to identify you have to be honest with yourself, identify where those are, and then adapt accordingly. This will be ah
00:45:22
Savage Boston
Who are they playing?
00:45:23
Snooty
It's a bye week this week, right? And then they next week, I don't know.
00:45:25
Savage Boston
of
00:45:26
Snooty
are they ever They have someone, i think, bad. And then they have... ah um Next week, they have Carolina. And then after that, it starts like Kansas City, then Miami, then Tampa Bay, Houston, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati.
00:45:44
Savage Boston
Yeah, they got like that. don't know. i'll so All a sudden you feel like a ton of wins there.
00:45:46
Snooty
Yeah.
00:45:47
Savage Boston
You're like, oh. you know, we'll see.
00:45:50
Snooty
Yeah.
00:45:50
Savage Boston
Cause when, you know, when Buffalo is Buffalo, they'll win most of those games, but they're not, they have not played well recently.
00:45:55
Snooty
i I think Buffalo and Kansas City will be there in the end.
00:45:56
Savage Boston
So
00:46:00
Snooty
not and I'm not saying it's a havec championship.
00:46:01
Savage Boston
in the playoffs.
00:46:02
Snooty
They'll be in the playoffs, and they you know they're going to be there. They're too good not to be there.
00:46:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:46:07
Bret
I'm telling you, boys.
00:46:08
Savage Boston
Well, it's still about all the, you know, the generational QBs. That's it. It's like, that's, still continues to be most of the roster building in the NFL, like how to sustain success, other than what the Eagles did recently, which is just, again, have a ridiculous roster, right? And that's how they won with Hurts, played really well in that game, but Hurts is not that guy.
NFL Team-Building Strategies
00:46:29
Savage Boston
He's not a generational guy like that.
00:46:31
Savage Boston
So Detroit's trying to do it.
00:46:31
Bret
Detroit's trying to do it, too, right now.
00:46:34
Snooty
But that's...
00:46:34
Savage Boston
Goff has been great. He's little he's got a great pass rating. they can keep They can keep that offense up, I think, how they're doing. I don't know how it goes in the playoffs because Josh can't create like some of these other guys. He can't create like Drake or Patrick or Josh, you know?
00:46:44
Snooty
but that's but that when one When Seattle had their run, that's what they did. like Russell Wilson was never like a generational type quarterback. He was really, really good, right but he wasn't like a Brady or Breeze or Rodgers or anything like that.
00:46:59
Savage Boston
Yeah,
00:47:00
Snooty
like he was He's really, really good, but they had like legit four or five years of just like in just absolutely insane drafts.
00:47:04
Bret
so
00:47:07
Snooty
and You're never going to draft at that clip forever.
00:47:08
Savage Boston
he smoked it.
00:47:10
Snooty
and once they stopp once Once they stopped hitting like that, they just they slowly started to climb.
00:47:10
Savage Boston
Well, they just – The whole team was nasty and Russell Wilson came in and played at a high level early.
00:47:15
Snooty
Yeah.
00:47:18
Savage Boston
And he actually was a really good quarterback when they weren't winning Super Bowls.
00:47:19
Snooty
yeah
00:47:21
Savage Boston
You know, he was really good like later, but then they stopped winning because they pay him.
00:47:22
Snooty
Yes. Yes.
00:47:25
Savage Boston
And it's like the whole shit again.
00:47:26
Snooty
Well, they, they paid everybody. Their guys started getting older and they didn't drive. They weren't hitting on fifth round corners like Richard Sherman and stuff. Like they weren't doing that every year.
00:47:33
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, if you can track fucking all pros in the fifth, like I think you like – Okay.
00:47:35
Snooty
And then, yeah, it's like, you know, like of course you're going to do well when you, you know, you're getting four starters from the third through the sixth round every two years.
00:47:39
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:47:45
Savage Boston
work we're We're back on the main point of all of this, which is the NFL draft.
00:47:45
Snooty
Like,
00:47:51
Savage Boston
Very important.
00:47:53
Snooty
2026 NFL draft.
00:47:54
Savage Boston
Prepare for the draft. We're getting ready. i got We got our draft books out. We're going to start researching.
00:48:01
Snooty
Honestly.
00:48:01
Savage Boston
I swear that the draft is like, everyone's like, oh, it's random. it's it like But if you hit, it's such a home run if you hit right. That's the problem. like The draft can be such a monumental thing.
00:48:12
Snooty
It just feels really good to not be on tank.
00:48:12
Savage Boston
So...
00:48:14
Snooty
Athon six weeks into the season.
00:48:15
Savage Boston
I do. know. I'm not doing that shit. I'm not doing it I told people already I'm not doing that shit this year.
00:48:19
Snooty
This is awesome. but This is awesome.
00:48:21
Bret
I mean, we're we're already off of it. Thank God. Like, we're we're not even close towards it, and we're finally a ah competent football team.
00:48:27
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:48:30
Bret
like it and Look, Snooty, I know you're not a Josh McDaniels fan, but it is so refreshing to watch a competent offensive football again with a highly talented quarterback.
00:48:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:48:44
Bret
Like, unbelievably refreshing. We haven't seen this in, like, five years. So...
00:48:49
Savage Boston
it's It's nice. It's nice. All right. I assume we're all just picking the Patriots to beat Tennessee.
00:48:56
Bret
Yeah, by a lot.
00:48:56
Savage Boston
I assume we're all.
00:48:57
Snooty
I don't see there's any way they, because I think any variable hate, and it's more than just variable. It's most of the staff like that came there.
00:49:04
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:49:05
Snooty
They hate Tennessee.
00:49:06
Savage Boston
They want to win.
00:49:08
Snooty
And so I think that overcomes whatever bump Tennessee is going to get from firing.
00:49:11
Savage Boston
Tennessee will get a bump for like the first couple drives, and then it's like if they get down, I think they're going to get down.
00:49:11
Snooty
And
00:49:16
Snooty
they're like, oh yeah, we're Tennessee.
00:49:18
Savage Boston
Yeah, they they are not they're not good.
00:49:18
Bret
Yeah, but we asked.
00:49:19
Snooty
Fuck.
00:49:20
Savage Boston
The roster's not good. I don't You've got to find a way to confuse Cam Ward, but he's been very bad this year, too.
00:49:24
Snooty
Fuck. ah Fuck, it's Jeffrey Simmons and no one else. Oh yeah, he's a phenomenal guy.
00:49:29
Savage Boston
Jeffrey Simmons, great. Can we trade for Jeffrey Simmons before the game starts? Can we just have him come over to our sideline? I'd love to take Jeffrey Simmons.
00:49:37
Snooty
He's an out.
00:49:37
Bret
I mean, last week last week was the trap game.
00:49:37
Savage Boston
don't know how he'd fit in, but...
00:49:41
Bret
This is not a trap game. ah you like I know coaches well coaches will always say, oh, we take it week to week, blah, blah, This one's been circled by Mike Rable and the coaching staff for months.
00:49:44
Savage Boston
No. This is a goal. We need to shut up.
00:49:54
Bret
They were like, we're going to steamroll these assholes and run through them.
00:49:55
Savage Boston
He's fucking
00:49:59
Snooty
Especially 34, 14.
00:50:00
Bret
So, yeah, I mean, what do we got for prediction, boys?
00:50:01
Savage Boston
Yeah to
00:50:03
Bret
What do we got for prediction? Score.
00:50:11
Snooty
ah thirty four fourteen
00:50:14
Bret
oh my God, i'm like I was right there too. I was going to say We're
00:50:19
Savage Boston
oh
00:50:20
Bret
and we're like the same prediction.
00:50:20
Savage Boston
well very similar
00:50:22
Bret
Very, very...
00:50:23
Savage Boston
The Savage Agreement Podcast.
00:50:25
Bret
This is too eerily close. I...
00:50:28
Snooty
I think they're in their bag this week.
00:50:29
Savage Boston
We were close on the Saints, though. I had like 28-21, I think, and i was that ended up being like a pretty pretty close score, kind of, so kind of ballpark.
00:50:37
Bret
Yeah, i I only gave the Saints scoring 10. Rattler definitely played better than I thought.
00:50:41
Savage Boston
Rather, I thought was I was kind of impressed.
00:50:42
Bret
forgot.
00:50:43
Snooty
Rattler's not bad, man.
00:50:43
Savage Boston
I thought he played pretty well.
00:50:44
Bret
I forgot how bad our...
00:50:45
Savage Boston
just let like He's like, I don't
00:50:45
Snooty
He's not horrible.
Conclusion and Upcoming Games
00:50:48
Savage Boston
know, he played well.
00:50:48
Snooty
He's a good guy to have down there for like a rebuild while you try to plug everything else. Because he's not horrible.
00:50:54
Savage Boston
Well, they drafted Tyler Shuck, and I don't know like why you – what round did the draft him in?
00:50:54
Bret
mean...
00:51:00
Snooty
Two? Three?
00:51:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, i think the second round or something. or I forget when, but like wow why would they have drafted him if they're just going play Rattler?
00:51:04
Snooty
Is he from Western Kentucky? i
00:51:08
Savage Boston
i don't It's like a waste of a pick.
00:51:10
Snooty
Did he go to Western Kentucky? Is he the heir to Bailey Zappi?
00:51:13
Savage Boston
He's like 35 years old, but he had he was pretty good. He was pretty good, pretty good. right, we're going to cancel it now. Or not cancel, we'll log off. Thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you guys next week. Peace.
00:51:25
Snooty
Yeah.
00:51:25
Bret
Peace.