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EPISODE 53 - Patriots blow out win! Drake Maye MVP candidate??
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Intro and Red Sox Game Discussion
00:00:00
Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here tonight. It is September 30th, 8.30 on the dot at night. And yeah, the Red Sox are playing right now. It's on the background.
00:00:11
Savage Boston
Just keeping tabs, FYI. ah They're up 2-1. Hopefully they can win. um So we're coming off a ah coming off a huge victory, which is pretty surprising, man, to be honest.
00:00:22
Savage Boston
And it's like the first time, i think they said since 2022 versus Jacksonville, where it was like a big blowout win.
00:00:29
Bret
Thank you.
00:00:29
Savage Boston
So I can't, you know, it's hard to remember, honestly, the last time you had that that feeling on the couch of ah not even having to stress the second half. was really bizarre, honestly. It felt like back in the day, kind of. So, um yeah, it was wild. So, just for introductions, I'm Scott with Savage Boston Sports here with my guy Brett.
00:00:49
Savage Boston
And we have a special guest, very special guest, friend of the pod. We got Bryson from Twitter on here tonight. How we doing, Bryson?
00:00:56
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I'm pretty good. I'm very excited. As you guys may have seen the article I posted today, maybe we'll talk about that later. But I haven't been quite this excited in actually years. And
Patriots vs. Bills Game Significance
00:01:06
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
so um I'm very happy and we'll talk about that later.
00:01:06
Savage Boston
Ooh.
00:01:09
Savage Boston
Well, I think, you know, usually we'd go over like a recap, so to speak, but I actually think it's kind of a good, maybe a good jump off point to, to jump kind of ahead quick and say like, how are we feeling about this Patriots bills matchup?
00:01:22
Savage Boston
You know what i mean? Just to kick it off because as you know, I saw your link to your article and as you put it, you know, this is one of the bigger matchups they've had in kind of a long time. So why don't you kind of go into Bryce? And how you feeling about just the upcoming week?
00:01:36
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Yeah, you guys can read article. It's pinned on my X account if you haven't already. But anyway, you know as as we finish the game, you know I'm in a lot of these chats and we're talking. and And I was thinking about you know the specifically I posted a picture of Brady and Manning and said Drake May versus Josh Allen. And I really did mean that. I wasn't trying to be funny like because that is who I think Drake May and Josh Allen are. And it just so happens that they're in the same division now.
Patriots' Potential and Key Players
00:02:03
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And they're going to be playing each other every year.
00:02:03
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:02:04
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And I didn't really imagine the Patriots would be... possibly this good this quickly. So when the graphic came out with Drake May and Josh Allen, I immediately was like, wow, this is this is real.
00:02:16
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
It actually reminded me of that, if you guys remember that Andrew Luck game, when he was real, real young coming into the league, they had a primetime, maybe a Thursday night game, I think it was, against Andrew Luck.
00:02:18
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:26
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And that was that was one. But then I was like, the last time I felt like this was the 2018 season when they played the Chiefs. And that was kind of, Mahomes coming out party those first couple games and really he's was the same age as Drake May kind of was and solidifying himself in the league as well and just thinking like the Patriots defense is coming together seems like Gons is back Milton Williams is sacking people with air he's that scary um Drake made a digs I mean all the things that you really like to see in the implications of the game like
00:02:51
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:51
Savage Boston
I love it.
00:02:58
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
If the Patriots do mess around and win this game, we're going to wake up Monday morning and people are going to be saying, is Drake May the MVP? actually They actually are already saying that now. Like, is he in MVP talks?
00:03:09
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I'm telling you, people on Twitter are saying this.
00:03:10
Savage Boston
ah love it
00:03:12
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And is he the MVP? Is Mike Rabel the coach of the year? Is Josh McDaniel going to coach UNC next? You know, we're going to get a lot of these talks. Like, can the Patriots win the AFC East? And then, by the way, their next couple games are like,
00:03:24
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
The Browns, the Falcons, like the Titans, like all of these are extremely winnable games before they play the Bills again.
00:03:25
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:03:30
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And of course, they're kind of playing the same um stretch of games too. But in a way, if they win this game, they are really close. and its the The conversation we have if they win versus if they lose.
00:03:43
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
You know, if they lose, big whoop. They're supposed to lose the Bills. But if they win, wow. Insane.
00:03:50
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. and No, I, I agree. I think it's kind of, as you, you said, like, what is the biggest, this is the biggest game since, I mean, I guess I would probably say since the playoff game, you know maybe Brady's Brady's last game as a Patriot when they lost to the Titans, I was there that sucked.
00:04:07
Savage Boston
um And ah you know, maybe the biggest game since then, I mean, cause they haven't had really, i mean, there's the playoff game with Mac Jones against the bills where they got smashed. It was like 40 to three or something. They got destroyed, you know, but like,
00:04:19
Savage Boston
This is certainly hype-wise. ah kind of love where it's going only because we just haven't had it, man.
00:04:24
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
you
00:04:26
Savage Boston
I mean, like, I know we've we've talked on this, Bryson, before where it's like, you know, when everyone's arguing Mac Jones versus Bailey Zappi and we're in that, like, black hole of of that era, which which was really depressing because as you watch the games, you're like, I think, like, Mac can maybe make some throw.
00:04:41
Savage Boston
Like, you never felt like they they could really um go beyond – what your expert expectations were, right? They, they never had that, that capability. And then with Drake may, you just see the potential is there and he's starting to meet some of that. So I just love how it's, how it's kind of going and trending.
Patriots' Offensive Strategy and Challenges
00:05:00
Savage Boston
And and I think it's great to get the fan base excited. So um Brett, when you give me your initial thoughts again? Just like, how do you feel about the matchup coming up next week between Pat's bills?
00:05:09
Bret
I mean, it we're with house money, right? so And none of us really thought going into this that we really would have had like a puncher's chance, but now I would say we have a puncher's chance, and it all is because of the play of Drake May, right?
00:05:25
Bret
And honestly, the offensive line, too, which they have to get their roses in this whole thing because, I mean... The effectiveness of how they've played, how well Will Campbell has done, i mean, they have really stepped up. The pockets that have, i mean, don't get me wrong. Carolina does not have a good front four, and they knew that going into this game, but they're still professionals on the other end of the of the other line. So...
00:05:51
Bret
I think the amount of time they gave Drake May and then how May was to be able to be so damn efficient. And yeah, there's rumors about going around. There's rumblings about going around on him on being an MVP candidate, which is well-deserved at this point in the year because of how well he's played.
00:06:08
Bret
I mean, take away that week one. He's played really strong.
00:06:11
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:06:12
Bret
And, you know, I know we talked about those turnovers that he had one fumble. I would say, yeah, you got to eat it. But I, I think the pick was probably throw a little bit differently, but it's not too far off overall.
00:06:24
Bret
His numbers look great. He's taking control of the offense and on the offensive side of the ball, where we saw the worst production and like um,
00:06:36
Bret
That's been our strong suit right now. It's it's defense that we've got to clean up. But you go in and we we're playing the Bills, and you we'll see. i mean It's going to be ah a pretty primetime game ah away in Buffalo, a hard place to play away.
00:06:52
Bret
So it's going to be a really good spot for them to come out and show up if they're real or if they're not.
00:06:55
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:06:57
Bret
But they're playing with house money, so they should throw it all on there and see what they can do.
00:07:03
Savage Boston
Yeah, no, i agree. I think it's ah it's a huge opportunity. I just think, you know, the biggest difference between Drake and some of these other quarterbacks that people want to comp him to, right, like, or or have tried to, you know, if you have other other young guys like Jaden Daniels, right, it's an easy comp.
00:07:13
Bret
Thank
00:07:17
Savage Boston
um You know, with Drake, it's not like he's surrounded by all the talent and, you know, like you feel like the talent is elevating Drake, but it already feels like Drake is elevating the talent.
00:07:28
Savage Boston
And I think that's obviously that is what you want. You want him to fully control the offense. Like, and this is where Josh comes in. I know people wanted to shit on Josh as as a OC candidate. And there's a lot of people that are just like, don't like Josh, don't like his play calling, whatever.
00:07:42
Savage Boston
But at least Josh is trying to provide the tools to Drake to run the offense how he can run it. And I think this last game is Carolina was just a perfect example of of how it can go. You know, like at one point, just started looking easy at one point. Like they they put up, you know, they scored six touchdowns.
00:07:58
Savage Boston
And granted, like Marcus Jones had a great game. But like, I feel like. you know Josh giving Drake the tools and Drake having full control, like can this be a weekly expectation? He doesn't have to throw for a 155 pass rating every week, but can Drake ah look this fluid and in control every week? Bryson, what do you what do you think about that?
00:08:20
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Oh, yeah. I mean, and especially in the Josh McDaniels offense, like you said, that's kind of how if you look at all of the like efficiency numbers for Josh McDaniels on like aggressiveness versus conservatism, it's almost always in the middle.
00:08:32
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:08:33
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And when I grade these Drake May games, like a lot, like a basic throw, like a screen, a throw that an NFL player should make is called a routine throw. And I think last game I was kind of like, I was kind of talking smack because there was like 21 of them.
00:08:46
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And it's like, at some point, like you have to go down the field. And last game, the Josh McDaniels offense is essentially that. It's like a lot of cheap throws and then some aggressiveness down the field.
00:08:58
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I would like to see it open up. I think it will open up a little bit more, but that's kind of that this is kind of what the offense is going to look like. It's going to look like a lot of simple, easy throws for Drake. And by the way, he's making the right decisions, what Josh wants him to do, which is exactly how you want it to be.
00:09:14
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
It'll be interesting to see what happens like if they do get down a lot and how they play. I'm i'm interested to see that. But you know when they dominate and they play these games like this, they play in front, they're really they're pretty hard to beat like that because they're really not going to make that many mistakes.
00:09:27
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I mean, it is nice, and it's going to pad your age stats too. But I think there is there's like another gear that they could actually
Discipline, Penalties, and Player Development
00:09:33
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
go to if they wanted to, but they just haven't had to yet.
00:09:36
Savage Boston
I feel like one of the few complaints of the offense, and honestly, they've been good enough. There's not a whole lot to be complaining about, right? Like they've they're they've been playing well. But like is people talked about the lack of explosive plays, the lack of downfield passing. and And, you know, they kind of answered that in this last game. They had a ton of explosive plays and digs look great.
00:09:56
Savage Boston
But I guess, you know, people are still waiting for like, I don't know, someone like Kyle Williams. like like can they can Can you feel like they can push the ball downfield without just going short to Hunter Henry or Diggs across the middle? like like how do you get How do you get Kyle Williams? Because i just don't want to see another wide receiver. We talked about this. You know draft guys for a reason.
00:10:17
Savage Boston
You draft them so you want to develop develop these players and see what they got. And, like, Kyle Williams, I think, only touched was that end around, right? He had that kind of funky end around. He lost, I think, two yards. So, I mean, how do we get – how do you get Kyle Williams – I know this is not, like, the priority as an individual. Like, you know, you want to win games. But I do want to see them develop players. Like, how do you get him involved in the game would be my question.
00:10:39
Savage Boston
um Brett, how do you feel about that?
00:10:42
Bret
Well, it's, you got to be creative and Josh can be creative. I think We'll see. i'm not going to like I'm not going to jump on the lack of play from kyle Kyle Williams this early in the season because he's a rookie, right? And there are other weapons on the team that deservedly should be getting more play than him However, I think you got to scheme them up and you got to basically put in like three to four, like basically scripted plays that are going to get him the ball into open space and allow him to be creative. Right. And,
00:11:21
Bret
Whatever they have to do to make that happen, like I think that's how you ease the rookie in.
00:11:24
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:11:26
Bret
Make it scripted, make it easy, like they did with the end of round. I mean, it didn't really do anything, but if they could just come up with more of those to get them integrated into the offense and then slowly build it up from there, I think they'll be better suited.
00:11:41
Bret
The challenge I see right now is they're really focused on trying to establish a run and get a better run game going, so they they're not exactly doing a whole lot of like three wide outs and They're bringing in the two tight ends and and trying to get the run game going, which is going to negate a guy like Williams, who's not really known for being a pass blocking wide receiver from getting the reps. So I think that becomes the downside to it is they're just not doing it.
00:12:06
Bret
It's just not schematically what they're looking to do.
Potential Trades and Roster Improvements
00:12:08
Bret
But I would like to see them again, kind of build in those scripted plays that just get them with touches, just get the rookie going. And then, To me, I look at it and say, we got a run of games. We can really start to build them up and see if we get them some production in the second half of the season.
00:12:23
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
you
00:12:23
Savage Boston
Now wonder, like, you know, we we kind of talked about this too. We had, you know, everyone's saying like you got to like figure out something with Pop Douglas, you know, and and and they did. And it's not like they're listening to us, so to speak, but everyone's everyone's watching Pop Douglas, right? We were talking about the last few weeks, even in Bryson's group chat, right? We're talking about what do we what do we do with Pop?
00:12:42
Savage Boston
And because it just, once, when they go to pop, it just doesn't, they don't connect. Like it's confusing. Like yeah this guy should be able to get open. He should be a man beater. He should be able to figure out how to sit and zone. should be able to get separation.
00:12:53
Savage Boston
And somehow every time Drake tries to throw in the ball, it's either almost intercepted. It's behind him. Like they just don't look like they connect. So this week it looks like Stefan Diggs was primarily in the slot.
00:13:04
Savage Boston
And I think, you know Pop Douglas' snaps went down to something like, I forget how many, you like nine. like He had some a small percentage of the offensive snaps, which is a huge difference from from from previously.
00:13:16
Savage Boston
So I think he kind of got that official demotion. So, um yeah, Bryson, did you feel about the digs kind of to digs taking over the slot role there?
00:13:22
Bret
Thank you.
00:13:25
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Oh, I mean, as you know, i've been I've been complaining about this since probably the first week because um after seeing Pop Douglas and the way the teams play Drake May is they're just going to sit in zone and not let him run, right?
00:13:28
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:37
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Because last year he was way more devastating actually running the football because they played a lot more man.
00:13:41
Savage Boston
yeah
00:13:42
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
This year it's a lot more zone and you're seeing how much Pop Douglas does struggle with the zone and and him and May just can't connect, which That you know does burn my soul because I have a lot of I love Pop Douglas tweets, but it's very clear at this point that that's it's just not really a fit.
00:13:59
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
and um yeah it's that It is tough to watch, but I think they did the right thing because you have Diggs in the slot. He's super crafty. You can kind of motion out in the middle the field.
00:14:09
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
i mean i I do really like that a whole lot. That's what I was saying. and Like you guys were talking about, I'm a i'm a big Kyle Williams fan. like Big as in he could probably be like a B player in the NFL, but
00:14:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:14:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:14:20
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I think if we review the summertime notes, ah unfortunately, i think he did lose a lot of Drake Mays trust during the summer with a lot of drops, if you guys remember. And Drake just really doesn't look his way. And that's the one thing I do notice about Drake, and you guys probably by this time do too.
00:14:37
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
He's a big I trust you guy. Like the back shoulder throws to Booty. The back shoulder throws to Diggs.
00:14:41
Savage Boston
Yeah. Loves booty.
00:14:43
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Henry. All the all of the guys that he really trusts, he's going to spam those because he knows He can make any throw, and he can make any back shoulder throw, and those guys will be right there to catch And that's why Booty's been so great. It's not like he's separating insanely.
00:14:57
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
A lot of times it's like one inch and Drake Mace hitting with a sick back shoulder throw, which is Booty's doing the correct thing. But I'm just saying, like, Drake likes to go to the guys he trusts, and I think the Pop Douglas, the Kyle Williams, unless Kyle Williams has some sort of resurgence that,
00:15:12
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
um I just fear that we're going to get Kashawn Booty year one year out of Kyle Williams this year, and we're going to have to maybe hope that we can he can prove himself again next year. I don't know if it's going to happen this season. It's going to be really tough to do in the middle of the year.
00:15:26
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I just, this franchise just does not like developing wide receivers. You know, I mean, we can, there's many reasons for many different players, but they just have a hard time developing wide receivers, man. It's always kind of disappointing because you know how we get into the draft. you You draft somebody, you believe in them, you hype them up. You're like, they're talented. They can do it all.
00:15:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:15:47
Savage Boston
And, and, you know, like, you, you know, myself, like I'm trying to be hype man. Right. We talked, we joke around about, but like, you know, 2024, you, summer and you got pictures of Polk and May and we're like, this is the future. and we got Javon Baker and people are like, let's hype up Baker. And then as we said a thousand times, Baker had like what one catch is a Patriot.
00:16:09
Savage Boston
You know, like, ah why why was that the guy we decided we need to be hyping up? Just because we liked him? And he said some funny stuff and he fourth-round pick? Like, I don't – you know, so I think we get we get in this this way as as the fan base where you're trying to hype players up and believe in players. But, like, even when it doesn't even when it doesn't make sense.
00:16:26
Savage Boston
And so um with Kyle Williams, I really do like his release package. I think he's he's great off the ball. I think he can run routes. He should be able to beat, man. Play X. I don't know when they're going to trust him in there as much as they apparently just love playing Matt Collins.
00:16:41
Savage Boston
Matt Collins is fine. Nothing wrong with Matt Collins. Like he's a big, powerful kid. They love that two tight end set and they love putting Mac in there to block. So I don't know. It's, it's, it's been interesting, but I just, I just don't like how they can't seem to find a way to develop wide receivers, which is just, uh, which is, which is weird.
00:16:59
Savage Boston
But, um,
00:16:59
Bret
Well, I think, i mean, honestly, if you look at it, though,
Running Game and Player Performance
00:17:03
Bret
Kyle Williams is essentially going to be playing the same sort of role that you're getting out of Booty and or Diggs. So, you know, it's one of those situations where as a rookie, they're going to get the reps ahead of him and like,
00:17:17
Bret
Both of them are out there balling and playing well.
00:17:19
Savage Boston
yeah
00:17:20
Bret
So that's why I say i think he's just one of those guys with unique speed and talent that you can be able to get him into ah scripted position and be able to take advantage of it.
00:17:32
Bret
I think the one thing that I look at that...
00:17:34
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:17:35
Bret
I'm still probably the most concerned about on ah offense. I know you picked on the wide receivers. To me, it's a running game. We just got to be able to consistently learn how to run the ball and do it effectively at all points of time.
00:17:46
Bret
i mean, we'll see.
00:17:47
Savage Boston
yeah
00:17:48
Bret
Carolina, not much of a challenge there. I think this one's going to be ah a bigger test. And I'm a little surprised with how much Stevenson got to run this past game. So I think... Like that's the part where I'm looking at offensively with like, we need to run because, ah you know, we got in trouble against Oakland when we just decided to stop running in the second half for whatever reason.
00:18:08
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:18:10
Bret
So we need to be able to figure out a way to run the ball. Cause that's going to give us a balanced offensive attack. We're just not being productive there. We're actually like one of the bottom third in the league when it comes to productivity out of that position.
00:18:22
Bret
uh, I think that's going to be a problem for us longterm. If we can't find a way to make our run game happen.
00:18:29
Savage Boston
Well, let me – can we go negative for like one second? i know this is like a celebratory pod, but let's go negative – put our negative hats on for just a second. But like someone want to explain like kind of just what's going on with Travion Henderson?
00:18:43
Savage Boston
um and Because, you know, my first thought with him was I thought he was going to be a really good pass protector. And he's been – maybe, i don't know when the worst in the league from the running back position, pass protecting is like three holding penalties himself.
00:18:58
Savage Boston
ah He's been terrible as a pass protecting back. And then when he's running the football, he looks, he was a little bit better at this past game, but he looks like he's just, there's no feel for where he's going. He's just like hitting the hole as hard as possible. There's no patience. There's no reading.
00:19:13
Savage Boston
So I don't know. Again, like this clearly doesn't have to be a negative pod and everyone sees this. You can see it on tape. You can see it when you watch the game. Like, What's, you know, I'll let you handle this one, Bryson. Like, how do you feel? What's going on with Travion Henderson out the gate?
00:19:26
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Well, I think I have two things here. And one, it's not a defense, but if you notice around the NFL, a lot of these rookies are struggling to pass block.
00:19:38
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
It's like a very common thing around the NFL right now.
00:19:38
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:19:40
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
So, I mean, I can't really tell you what that's about. it may It's just not just not a thing that just he is doing. So do they all stink? Probably not. I mean, I don't know.
00:19:49
Bret
Thank you.
00:19:49
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
But the one thing I will tell you, though, – There's probably tweets somewhere. There's probably a podcast somewhere where Alonzo and I on title talk are complaining about how bad James White is when he was a rookie.
00:20:00
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I used to, I used to hate James White so bad. I was like, this guy, he can't avoid anyone. He's small. So I think with these like little shifty third down back type guys, let's give them a little bit of grace here.
00:20:12
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Cause you know, there is there, there, there, you know, there are much faster and bigger guys in, Like our buddy Borish was saying, if you look, there was one play in particular where they are setting him up.
00:20:24
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
They're confident in his abilities, and if he just breaks one tackle on a play, it's like it's going for 40 yards. So it's going to come, and I think it's going to come at some point. So I know you wanted me to be negative, but I have to be the good guy in this scenario.
00:20:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:37
Savage Boston
No, it's all right. i appreciate i You know, yeah.
00:20:38
Bret
I mean, if you want to if you want a negative, it's the penalties. To me, it's the freaking penalties. They got to clean these up.
00:20:43
Savage Boston
I got a whole negative.
00:20:46
Bret
Oh, my gosh. like It's just one of those things where, again, and I don't understand it because i know we talked about the last pod –
00:20:46
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Yeah.
00:20:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, don't get that.
00:20:54
Bret
Rabel talked about how they have to take advantage of bad football. Like having all of these penalties is the sign of being a bad football team. And all of a sudden he like changes his tone and he's like, well, actually, you know, penalties aren't as important.
00:21:08
Bret
He's like, there's certain other criteria and it's like 50 50.
00:21:09
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:21:11
Bret
And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude? Like, can you please focus on the penalties? They're like really momentum killers. Yeah. They let the other teams get back in the game when we do it on defense. like It's just, what are you doing?
00:21:25
Savage Boston
That was weird. Like, have you ever actually heard a coach just kind of actively be like, I don't really care that much about penalties? You know, like, who's the last coach you remember hearing that? Like, usually they're like, yeah, let's clean it up.
00:21:35
Savage Boston
You know, yeah. well And he's just like, yeah, it doesn't really impact the game that much. Like, it's kind of a weird, it's just a weird thing. i don't know. I really haven't heard that. From our viewing perspective, the penalties seem to make a huge difference.
00:21:48
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:21:48
Savage Boston
You know, they they definitely changed the game. So, you know, one offensive holding penalty kills a drive. and Unless you're Drake May, and apparently he can just rip off any third and 15, which good for Drake that he's just decided he can just be a baller.
00:22:01
Savage Boston
But, like, a lot of times that that's those are drive killers. So, like, again, I don't know where this came from. This whole, like, Mike Rabel decides penalties aren't that important. But – They're one of the most penalized teams in the league.
00:22:12
Savage Boston
I think it makes a huge deal. ah and And then again with turnovers, like they obviously emphasize turnovers. That's clearly part of their, despite turning the ball over five times against the Steelers, they do emphasize turnovers. And like, i don't know if you want to say it' coaching or like why Ramondre Stevenson can't hang on to the ball. i don't know. Like, you guys have any idea why he can't hold the football?
00:22:37
Savage Boston
You guys tell me
00:22:38
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
We talking about Drake May or who?
00:22:39
Savage Boston
No, no, Ramondre Stevenson.
00:22:40
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Ramondre. Oh yeah. I don't know. Trying to get in the mind of Mike Vrabel. That's a very tricky thing right there because you I don't know if he's doing reverse psychology because he is a player's guy, right?
Trade Feasibility and Team Strategy
00:22:51
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
So like he defends Stevenson, plays him again.
00:22:52
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:22:54
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Probably actually, you know, i will have to give him credit. Probably actually the end of the day, probably ah a good thing to just play him against the Panthers. Let him get a little bit hot. You know, he didn't fumble.
00:23:02
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:23:03
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
That's awesome. But as far as like the penalties and talking, like, I don't know. It's just weird. Like he does say weird stuff at times, but I don't know.
00:23:08
Bret
Thank you.
00:23:11
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I'm not the biggest fan, but everything's been so everything but that. Like if you look in the first quarter, I was tweeting like this, this team is horrendously coached. And people were like adding me after the game, like what now?
00:23:22
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
It's like, well, like they still have like eight quarters of like me wondering what the hell is going on.
00:23:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:23:29
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
with the turnovers, with the penalties, just a lot of, a lot of very dumb stuff. But I think Brable is just going to continuously defend his guys, which is fine. I mean, that's all right, but it should get better, right? should get better.
00:23:40
Savage Boston
I hope so. um Just to pivot, like a quick, just a quick, not even a thought experiment, but like I was tweeting a little bit this morning about, I feel like, I feel like you win a couple of games here, right? And and all of a sudden you might be like, can they, can they add, can they add someone Via trade.
00:23:59
Savage Boston
And yeah, I know like everything, everyone, the, you could share the meme, nothing actually happens or what, you know what i mean? Like whatever meme you want to share. But like the the thing is you got Drake may on a rookie contract.
00:24:11
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Thank you.
00:24:12
Savage Boston
you already know he he's your guy. He's the guy now he's your guy. So like, if you can get talent, you know, any way possible, like that's what I'm doing. And I know Elliot Wolf is, is still looking despite the fact that it's kind of heard the whispers or that, you know, Kraft really doesn't want to be spending much more cash this season.
00:24:31
Savage Boston
um You know, we've heard that. So, but like, again, a couple guys, we look at obvious candidates. Number one is I think Trey Hendrickson even, you know, Or even T Higgins on the Panthers.
00:24:43
Savage Boston
ah Trey Hendrickson's on a one-year deal. And there the Panthers, sorry, the Bengals. The Bengals are going really start, they're going to suck.
00:24:47
Bret
Tangle.
00:24:50
Savage Boston
They're going to start sucking.
00:24:51
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
you
00:24:51
Savage Boston
um They suck now. Without Burrow for the next three months, and like that team looks like it's demoralized. They can't do anything. So they start losing a lot of games, they might start offloading talent. You can have a way to get some players there.
00:25:03
Savage Boston
And of course, the other one everyone always talks about is AJ Brown. who you know with A.J. Brown, and everyone's like, oh, he's got some $90 million dollars dead cap hit. a you blah That's not true. I looked it up today. he's got ah It's a $69 million dead cap hit if you released him at a certain point.
00:25:19
Savage Boston
If they trade him, it's only a $10 million dollars dead cap.
00:25:22
Bret
Thank you.
00:25:22
Savage Boston
So people say, why would they trade A.J. Brown? They're like, why would they do that? Well, they would do that because they're 4-0 without using A.J. Brown. They don't want to deal with the headache of throwing the ball to A.J. Brown and dealing with his bullshit every game.
00:25:35
Savage Boston
So Howie Roseman, being a really bright guy, might say, hey, we can get the same production from other players. Let's deal with your Brown for XYZ round pick, yada, yada, yada. So anyway, how do you guys – I mean, that's just my spitball. under but How do you guys feel like making it, you know, how a trade could shake out? Any possibility of that?
00:25:54
Bret
I mean, I don't,
00:25:56
Savage Boston
We're two pie in the sky.
00:25:56
Bret
i don't I don't know. and i would love it. I think they should go in. We've talked about this for a while. it's not our It's not our money, so who the heck cares about it?
00:26:07
Bret
But at the same time, they also have a shit ton of cap space. So you've got to start spending to the cap anyways. So I look at it and say, yeah, if you could go ahead and trade some of your draft picks to get high-talented caliber player like Brown or Hendrickson...
00:26:07
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
you
00:26:26
Bret
I'm 100% on board with that, and we can never get enough of those top-end talented players because we still are devoid of talent in a lot of areas. like Mind you, we're we're obviously optimistic about how they play, but we just played the Panthers, and the Panthers suck.
00:26:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:43
Bret
ah So we're about to find out real quickly against the Bills.
00:26:44
Savage Boston
a
00:26:48
Bret
you know How how ah successful do we have on teams? and and Think about what our outlook would be if Drake May was thrown to a guy like A.J. Brown and or we threw Hendrickson out there and put him on the edge next to freaking Milton and Barmore with how amazing those two guys have been playing. like You talk an elite level front four, probably best in the league.
00:27:10
Savage Boston
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
00:27:11
Bret
you know
00:27:11
Savage Boston
If you have, if you had Harold Landry, Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, and Trey Hendrickson, best front four in football.
00:27:15
Bret
It's the best best in the league.
00:27:18
Savage Boston
And i and again, that's, yeah, you do your linebackers suck? Yeah. Yeah, they suck. But like, can they be serviceable? ah Probably. i don't know. Like, can you win nine fucking games?
00:27:29
Savage Boston
That's why I'm going, if you win nine games this year, we're all fucking, that's, that's money. That's how it's money. It's winning nine football games this year. And I think it is doable looking at the schedule. Um,
00:27:39
Bret
I'd say the ceiling's ceiling's up to 11 at this point.
00:27:40
Savage Boston
So, yeah.
00:27:43
Savage Boston
The ceiling.
00:27:44
Bret
The ceiling's 11
00:27:45
Savage Boston
Whoa. That's pretty good. Bryson, where's your ceiling?
00:27:51
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I mean, yeah, I think 10-11 games, that they I mean, they really could do it like we talked about before.
00:27:54
Savage Boston
Woo.
00:27:56
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
You know, if they if they do win this game, they rattle off some wins. I mean, I'm not a culture TM guy, but for those of you that are, there's been so many stories in the NFL where players will tell you,
00:28:08
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
We traded for this guy and everyone knew that we we meant business. like The front office was trying to win and that meant a lot to us.
00:28:14
Savage Boston
yeah
00:28:16
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
and so we i mean That stuff doesn't mean a lot to me, but if you're a culture team guy, like that's a good reason why you should trade for one of these guys.
00:28:17
Bret
Thank you.
00:28:18
Savage Boston
yeah
00:28:24
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Not only does it make your team better, but like it lets everyone know, hey, like we actually do mean business. like Imagine if... Imagine in a world where the Patriots like beat the Bills, right? Or they barely lose to the Bills.
00:28:35
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
And then they trade for like A.J. Brown or, like you just said, one of those other really good players.
00:28:38
Savage Boston
yeah
00:28:40
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Everyone's like, wow, like this team is serious. And yeah, they might lose, but nothing is promised in the NFL. Every time we talk about trades, there's... you know
00:28:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:28:47
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Drake may, God forbid, something bad may happen to his leg. We don't want to. I just knocked on wood. But like you never know in the ah NFL what is going to happen. You can't just like prepare and sacrifice all sorts of stuff for like this future that you have no idea what what is even going to happen. If you have the chance to trade a pick for a player, like you just talked about earlier, there's so many picks that the Patriots have made where it's just like,
00:29:10
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Bad. so you might as well spend the extra money to just trade the pick for the player.
00:29:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:16
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
That's who you're drafting. You're just paying money to draft a player that's really good. So just go ahead and do it and let Drake May throw deep bombs to AJ Brown. and I promise you, I saw you interacting with Joe earlier on Twitter.
00:29:24
Bret
Thank
00:29:27
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:27
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
He's 100% correct. If they get a player like that, there's not going to be any like, oh, Drake May had 20 routine throws today. No, it's not it's not going to be like that at all. it's not going to be 10 screens and 7 checkdowns.
00:29:41
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
They're going to open up the offense, and they're going to be one of the best offenses in the entire NFL, which is a good reason to trade for
Patriots' Defense and Upcoming Game
00:29:47
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
A.J. Brown, by the way.
00:29:48
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:49
Bret
And the guy's 28. So we've talked about this before. I'm with you, Bryson. I think a lot of people overvalue draft picks. When you have proven commodities that you can get in and you like at a at a pretty good age, 28 years old, you you know you're going to get a few more years like great years of him.
00:30:12
Bret
You do it because you have a sure thing rather than sit there and say, well, I'm going to try and find the guy. And the next thing you know, you're drafting Polk. It's like, what the fuck are we doing here? Can we just go get the damn guy that we have here? If we have the opportunity. And the guy has ah positive history being under Mike Vrabel.
00:30:30
Bret
So, To me, I think AJ Brown would be the best scenario possible. And he sends such weird cryptic tweets that make everyone just start going on this downward spiral of like, oh, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
00:30:44
Bret
But who knows?
00:30:45
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:47
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
He's a Patriots fan.
00:30:47
Savage Boston
That's the problem is like the diva wide receiver thing, you know, like AJ Brown, he is a diva because he's, he's fucking nasty. He's one of the best players in football. He's an incredible wide receiver. And like, he's playing with Jalen hurts.
00:30:59
Savage Boston
You know, that, that roster is incredible. And that team was really, really good. Jalen hurts is not the most talented himself. You what mean? That's not who he is. He's not, he's not Drake. You'd rather have Drake quarterback than Jalen hurts probably even right now.
00:31:11
Savage Boston
I know that might sound crazy if you're like an Eagles fan or something, but just watching, in in a vacuum taking the quarterback position.
00:31:18
Savage Boston
Jalen Hurts is not the most premier talent guy. He did a pretty good job last year, a really good job, I'll say, with a team that was amazingly talented, and they won. Good for them. like I'm not taking anything away from him. But I think you know if Howie Roseman is the best GM in football, so that might make you nervous. Do I want to do a deal with Howie Roseman?
00:31:18
Bret
Thank you.
00:31:37
Savage Boston
Because if what does he know? You know what mean? Like, cause he, again, he has been the best GM in football, but I think if you're the Patriots, like you said, any way can get talent in, you gotta, you gotta make, you gotta take the opportunity.
00:31:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:31:48
Savage Boston
You gotta to get I think again, Trey Hendrickson to me is like, would be the, He's easiest contract to trade. I mean, you got a guy, he's in the last year of his deal. He doesn't want to be there.
00:31:59
Savage Boston
They're not paying him next year. They don't want to give him guaranteed money. He's been a long, massive contract dispute and the team is about to just suck. So to me, that is the easiest guy that you could get out from somewhere.
00:32:12
Savage Boston
And again, you say, Hey man, like we'll give you a two year deal with a ton of money guaranteed for at least the first year. And then maybe you reduce it. Then, you know what mean? Like the,
00:32:23
Savage Boston
It's a business. but That's a guy who I want. And again, if you if you can find ways to affect a quarterback like that with Trey Hendrickson, I'm down. um I tried to look up today, you know, potential people who you could acquire a linebacker.
00:32:32
Bret
Thank you.
00:32:36
Savage Boston
And I just – there's just nothing – I just don't have anything. And i and I'm sorry to say i just don't think there's much there. But like someone like Christian Ellis, dude, like he was really not good.
00:32:47
Savage Boston
Really not good in last game. He cannot move. And I know that other teams wanted him too. And I just don't understand – I don't understand what's going on there. Like, he can't play. Like, they've had to sit him twice for Jack Gibbons.
00:33:00
Savage Boston
So, don't know, Bryson, why do you why don't you educate me? What's going on with the linebacker position, and why can't they seem to play?
00:33:06
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
They missed a Landon Robber to the Goats, the Goat linebacker and the Goat fullback.
00:33:09
Savage Boston
The thumper. Yeah.
00:33:11
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
No, I mean, this is like one of the reasons why I really did not want to trade Jabril Peppers because their linebackers stink, and he actually is pretty good in the box.
00:33:16
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:20
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
I'm not saying like he can be a middle linebacker or anything like that, but you can at least like cover those like five to ten snaps per game or maybe even 15.
00:33:20
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:28
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Same with Duggar. Like they're going to have to – I would rather – would almost rather than play small and have players that are like okay than have players that just like completely bad and they're slow too.
00:33:38
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
This is why I prefer Jabril Peppers. Yeah.
00:33:41
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I i just, it's hard to watch like Jack Gibbons to me. It's been, he's been okay, but like it's such a glaring hole. And now I think Jalen Hawkins is hurt. It's a little bit injured at safety too. So it's just like, I don't know. There's some, there's some issues with the D still. I didn't love how they came out and they just got roasted for like a drive and a half until the Panthers just imploded on themselves. But, you know, cause that was, that was something, but, um but yeah, so I think, you know,
00:34:08
Savage Boston
flipping it back again to next week because it's more fun. You know, again, they blew out the Panthers. Panthers really do suck. Bryce Young, i don't know. and don't really know what you do there. I think he makes some okay plays. And then once it gets not scripted ball later in the game, he really fell apart completely. So I i just, I, again, don't know what you do if you're the Panthers. We don't need to talk about their, their roster building. I just, again, I don't know what happens with that, but, um but yeah, moving on the bills game in. So I just think, you know,
00:34:37
Savage Boston
I don't know why. why Why can't the Patriots score points against the Bills? Like, why can't Drake made the offense score points? Who wants to take that one?
00:34:47
Bret
I mean, I think they can. i i'm not I'm not really concerned with our ability to to score points in this game. I think this game is going to be kind of a relative shootout. um My biggest concern is the fact that we're going to really struggle to try and stop their passing game because we have one of the worst passing defenses in the league, and i don't see how we can stop Josh Allen and that offense from moving the ball on us.
00:35:15
Bret
So... I think for us, we're going to find opportunities to get in. I think we're going to score a decent amount, but our offense is probably not going to be as efficient as theirs. And like, that's where I think it gets problematic. yeah,
00:35:32
Bret
you know To me, i'm not as concerned with our ability to score points, and I think we will score points against Buffalo. it's Can we possibly stop their offense and figure out how to play defense on on the passing side? i mean I know that's going to change a bit now that Gonzalez is back, but there's still so many glaring holes there that we just I don't know what we do in a short order to figure that out.
00:35:56
Savage Boston
Yeah, like how depressed do you get if if they let Josh Allen drop 40 on him? Does that change your perspective at all on the Patriots? Or like how does that – Bryson, how does it make you feel about the team?
00:36:04
Bret
Yeah, I mean, it's got to be it's got to be closer than that.
00:36:10
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Yeah, i mean, like that would obviously be pretty devastating, especially at the point we are right now, because we're talking about them winning like eight games in a row or whatever we are. But yeah, I mean, you obviously want them to keep it close. And like in my head, i kind of I actually kind of don't see a shootout. I think it'll be like one of those tough games.
00:36:28
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
and That's like one of those games that the Patriots can't win because, as I've told you you guys before, like the Patriots are going to have to they're going to have to probably, to win, go up, and then it's going to be like one of those lower scoring games, and maybe even 28, 25 points to win or something like that.
00:36:44
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
But, I mean, me personally, I would go out there and just be aggressive as hell because Josh Allen can josh allen can you like change the game with three plays because his arm and legs are just so phenomenal.
00:36:45
Bret
Thank you.
00:36:54
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
like you can We can lock up Josh Allen for three quarters, and in the fourth quarter, three drives, he scores 21 points and and three plays.
00:37:01
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's insane.
00:37:02
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
like That's how good he is. So like I think playing conservative here might not be the move, but at the same time, turnovers, but I mean, this is like we talked about for this is probably the game to like unleash some stuff. Let's see. Let's see what happens here because if they do get going, man, that's and that'll be an exciting thing around here.
00:37:20
Savage Boston
Yeah, well.
00:37:20
Bret
Yeah, i could see I could see this being the game where Josh does like the kind of rollout to then Drake Mays receiving a pass downfield type play. Because this is the kind of game where you pull those things out of the woodwork and just say, like I'm going to draw this up. That's going to be something that could be like a home run hit ah to be able to do it. Yeah.
00:37:40
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's like play calling for like a playoff game or something. It's going to be like that kind of atmosphere, especially Sunday night football too. Prime time should be awesome. All right. Any, I and i guess, ah I guess score prediction. You want to give me a score prediction for the game before we wrap it up? Bryson, do
Conclusion and Thanks
00:37:55
Savage Boston
you think? Score prediction for Sunday night?
00:37:57
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Oh, man, my chat is about to roast me. Last week was the first week I didn't say 21-17, and they won by a lot. So I'm going to go 35-17 Patriots, and Marcus Jones plays offense and scores a touchdown.
00:38:07
Savage Boston
o
00:38:09
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
Okay.
00:38:09
Savage Boston
Okay. All right. Patriots blowout.
00:38:12
Bret
Wow.
00:38:12
Savage Boston
Brett, what do you get? All right.
00:38:15
Bret
I was going to go, I'm going to go 34, 24 bills.
00:38:20
Bret
bill
00:38:22
Savage Boston
34. Okay. Just in the and the effort of continuing to pick the Patriots every single week, I'll say thirty one twenty eight Patriots win. ah just you know Just a little bit of a shootout there in the fourth, but signature Drake May moment.
00:38:37
Savage Boston
We'll see. so
00:38:38
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
andvp That's MVP type beat, just let you know.
00:38:40
Savage Boston
and MVP moment. All right, guys. Well, thanks for tuning in. We're going to wrap it up. Bryson, appreciate you coming on Don't sign off yet because we'll wait for the audio to upload.
00:38:49
Savage Boston
Peace.
00:38:49
_Brycen2047 _Drake Maye_
All right, cool.
00:38:50
Bret
Yeah.