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EPISODE 60 - Patriots 9-2! featuring HOGDALE!
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Introduction & Guest Appearance
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Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We're here today. I'm Scott with Savage Boston Sports here with our guys Snooty and Brett, kind of usual co-hosts. And we got a very special guest today, a friend of the pod, friend of the pod. We got Hogdale with us. How are we doing Hogdale?
00:00:17
Hogdale
I'm having myself a fantastic day, brother. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
00:00:21
Savage Boston
Well, we appreciate you coming on, man. We definitely, um I got to say, I like to be complimentary at first. We're big fans of yours and rooting for you the whole way through, man.
Hogdale's Barstool Journey
00:00:30
Savage Boston
And I think watching kind of your journey of how how much work you've put in and having signing on with Barstool is such a really cool accomplishment. So I just want to say, you know, congratulations and you and you really put in the hard work.
00:00:43
Hogdale
ah dude Thanks. i really you do appreciate that. But the funny thing about like a barstool is just, ah yeah I've just made it so many friends over the years, just on the online sp space. It feels very nice to just have like a a gigantic group of people online just cheering for you and wanting you to to succeed.
00:00:55
Bret
so
00:00:59
Savage Boston
It's cool.
00:00:59
Hogdale
I can't wait pull in the opposite crowd and have people rooting for my downfall.
00:01:03
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, it's, well, it's, I, what I kind of brought up to people online too, it's like, as soon as you sign on or that people view you as like going big time or or like making it or something, you immediately exposes you to like more hatred.
00:01:17
Savage Boston
Do know what I And I don't know if you felt that yet.
00:01:17
Hogdale
Oh, yeah. 100%.
00:01:19
Savage Boston
Like, have you felt people being more critical of you?
00:01:22
Hogdale
Yeah, it's wonderful. I mean, ah the thing is, is that, you know, when you're doing content for long enough online, at the beginning, you get nothing. ah there's it's It's emptiness, ah maybe like a couple light platitudes.
00:01:29
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:34
Hogdale
You know, you've made it when people are just like shitting on you for literally no reason, just indiscriminate. They feel hate in their heart because their lives are miserable. And like they know deep down that ah like the person they're criticizing, their life is better than theirs.
00:01:46
Hogdale
So it's nice. It's just it's a really nice. It's a nice thing going on.
00:01:50
Savage Boston
people I have people trash me all the time. It's very very normal very normal for me. have people, critic this is a tangent, have people come after me for like selling my season tickets for the Patriots. like i go to I went to like preseason event, preseason game, four regular season games, I'm going to go to a like a playoff game.
00:02:08
Savage Boston
and like Everyone's like, why are you selling the Thursday night Jets game? I'm like, why does this bother you? like and It's just so odd what people will find to kind of like come after you for. I just find it i find a little bit silly.
00:02:19
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:20
Savage Boston
so Um, anyway, i just want to kick it off, uh, with you, Hognail. don't you kind of just tell me, um, I don't know, do just tell me the experience of like coming to Barstool and meeting everybody and kind of how that was like to kind of expose you to that world.
00:02:34
Hogdale
I mean, it was crazy. I mean, when I first got the call from Dave, it was literally ah the Red Sox had just won game one. It was that night. Like, I put my clips up and I was getting ready to go to bed. it was like 1030 and so 1130 where you guys are at.
00:02:50
Hogdale
I'm sitting upstairs and Dave hit me up on Instagram, like in my DMs. And I'm like, in that moment, I'm like, oh, fuck. ah Things I think things are about to change.
00:02:58
Savage Boston
Like, I'll sign right now.
00:02:59
Hogdale
Yeah. Because like I don't think he'd hit me up unless he just unless he you know had nothing to say. So, and yeah, he basically immediately after that, he's like, you know, hey, I don't know what your life is like, but you want to come down and ah you know call the games like what you're doing, but up here in New York ah you know for our live stream?
00:03:15
Hogdale
I think his exact words were like our live stream sucked and I want to bring someone in who will bring some energy. And I did, I did feel, I felt bad about that. Cause like, I'm like, I really hope the guys up there don't fucking, you'll look at me like I'm an a complete jackass.
00:03:29
Hogdale
was like, I'm coming
00:03:29
Bret
Well, he did.
00:03:30
Hogdale
Oh yeah.
00:03:31
Bret
He publicly said it like then, right then, during those things.
00:03:34
Hogdale
ah yeah
00:03:35
Bret
He was like, you guys suck. So I brought on Hogdale to try and bring the energy.
00:03:39
Savage Boston
how
00:03:41
Bret
Because he's like, I pay you guys to go to the studio and do this. And like, there's no energy. He's like, meanwhile, Hogdale's doing it from his basement. He's got more juice than you guys all combined. So he, like Dave tells it as it is, which is excellent.
00:03:55
Hogdale
He very much does.
00:03:55
Bret
But.
00:03:55
Hogdale
He very much does. And yeah, I got down there. All the guys there are very, very kind, very ah nice people. All the Yankee fans there, good dudes. ah You know, mar Marty Mush, Tommy Smokes, all those guys. ah You know, and then the non-Yankee fans like Clemmer, very nice guy. Frank the Tank got to meet him.
00:04:11
Hogdale
He's a riot. God, I love that guy.
00:04:13
Savage Boston
Yeah, people people like that guy.
00:04:14
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:04:15
Savage Boston
Yeah. Oh,
00:04:15
Hogdale
Yeah, even though he got Jack Hughes to cut his wrist for some reason or something happened there.
00:04:19
Hogdale
I don't know.
00:04:20
Savage Boston
my God.
00:04:20
Hogdale
Y'all missed that?
00:04:20
Savage Boston
And I do it's funny that um and know I don't know, think how they do live stream stuff is it's obviously good content and really entertaining. And I think like, the fact that you know, you know,
00:04:32
Savage Boston
they need a little bit of like new energy is, is great. And I think it's a really cool step for you. I just couldn't be in a room. I don't think. And i know obviously, you know, you see you, you might get angry or something at some Yankee fans or whatever. Like, like we grew up. So again, we're, we're in our late thirties. Right.
00:04:48
Savage Boston
So like we grew up when the Yankees like used to really dominate. And I mean, like, like try to imagine the Red Sox, I know we usually talk past, but this is go Red Sox for a minute, but like the Red Sox used to really suck. And I know most people know this. And I, and I think most fans that listen to this might be a little younger, but they sucked. And the Yankees truly did dominate every single year. And they win the world series, like four to five years and Jeter and the whole thing.
00:05:13
Savage Boston
And like coming out of 2003 and like the Aaron Boone homer, like watching that live in in my living room and and just like being in disbelief of the loss, um I couldn't sit there. I still don't know if I could sit there next to Yankee fans and watching them like beat the Red Sox. I don't know if I could do it. So congrats to you.
00:05:32
Hogdale
And a loss that bad? Yeah, dude, fuck. I mean, it was bad, like, with the Red Sox. The thing is, is like, i wasn't mad at the
Sports Rivalries and Performances
00:05:40
Hogdale
Yankee fans. or I was just, all my anger and fury was directed at the team playing, like, a you know, a group of weak-willed chuckle fucks. Like, it was horrible.
00:05:48
Hogdale
Just awful viewing experience. They died in that game three. Like, it was ah one of the most worthless performances I've seen in a while.
00:05:55
Savage Boston
Yeah. was a low. Yeah. It was, it was poor. So, I mean, um, I want to, I want to swing back to the Red Sox as we get deeper into the pod. Cause I want to actually like talk about what you want to do and your ideas, who would you'd like to acquire.
00:06:08
Savage Boston
And there's should be a lot of movement, lot of movement this off season.
00:06:09
Hogdale
Oh, you had a problem.
00:06:11
Savage Boston
But, um, since we're mostly in the paths now, well we'll pivot to the paths. Um, you know, obviously nine and two right now, you know, we're, we're heading into Cincinnati and, uh,
00:06:20
Bret
Thank you.
00:06:24
Savage Boston
You know, Joe Burrow's not playing. Jamar Chase is, I mean, unless his appeal changes in the next like 20 minutes, like he's not playing. Trey Hendricks is not playing. So, you know, obviously the whole schedule narrative is still there.
00:06:37
Savage Boston
So like, what do you make of the week schedule narrative that's going around?
00:06:41
Snooty
That's going to be...
00:06:42
Savage Boston
And and yeah, what do you what do you make about that?
00:06:45
Hogdale
Their schedule was horrible last year and they just lost all the games.
00:06:50
Savage Boston
Very fair.
00:06:50
Hogdale
Good teams beat bad teams. That's like the consistent trait among the best teams in the sport is like when they play bad teams, they take care of business. Like the way you identify pretenders as compared to actual contenders is throughout the years when you face off against a weaker opponent, ah like does the team take them, ah you know,
00:07:00
Bret
you
00:07:11
Hogdale
lightly taken for granted, doesn't identify them as another, you know, national football league team. Like the Patriots key identify one of the key things they did during the dynasty run of 20 years is that they were notorious for covering double digit spreads.
00:07:27
Hogdale
Like they were one of the best, like a blowout, ah you know, blowout spread covers in the sport because Belichick always had them ready to play.
00:07:34
Snooty
we
00:07:36
Hogdale
Remember like those weak-willed Steelers teams, of the 2010s that can never beat Brady in the Pats and always flamed out in the playoffs? Their biggest identifier of their weakness is that they always played down to their competition.
00:07:47
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:07:47
Hogdale
So if you're beating bad teams and you're beating them by double digits, which the Patriots this year have been, that's how you identify if they are a good team or not.
00:07:56
Hogdale
like I don't know what to man. You beat the teams that are put in front of you and it would be it would feel worse if they had lost to like genuinely good teams. Would they beat the Bills on the road and the Bucks on the road? What the what do you what else do you want?
00:08:09
Snooty
And I think that Panthers win keeps looking better and better too. um Sneaky, everybody, like they have the same record as the Chiefs, right?
00:08:13
Savage Boston
yeah
00:08:16
Snooty
Like they're not, they're better than Chiefs, right?
00:08:17
Savage Boston
No, they're better. Better than Chiefs.
00:08:18
Hogdale
better. They're better.
00:08:19
Savage Boston
5'4 to yeah.
00:08:19
Snooty
Like, you know, they're above 500. That's the third win above 500. But I think the other part that's lost is like, it's not like Indy or Denver has faced this like, or even the Bills have faced this like gauntlet of all these like amazing teams. It's like their strength of schedule is only slightly better and than what the Patriots is to this point.
00:08:19
Hogdale
It's hilarious.
00:08:37
Snooty
And it's because most of the teams suck. Right? Like, the good teams have a ah worse strength of schedule because they don't play themselves. Right? Like, if you don't play, the they don't play the Broncos and they don't play the the Colts this year.
00:08:49
Snooty
So, the Patriots' strength of schedule is obviously going to take a hit. They play all the shit teams. Like, there's...
00:08:53
Hogdale
The Patriots are playing shit teams because they were given a last play schedule.
00:08:53
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:53
Snooty
Right.
00:08:55
Hogdale
It's how the NFL schedule works.
00:08:57
Savage Boston
yeah
00:08:57
Hogdale
If you're a horrible team, they intentionally give you a wider schedule in order to prop them up because the NFL doesn't like bad teams being bad for too long, which allows for when the Patriots make vast improvements all of a sudden, like, yeah, now like they get all these tomato can weak opponents that they can bowl over.
00:09:01
Snooty
Yes.
00:09:14
Hogdale
But again, if they were a bad team, they'd just lose those games. The Patriots schedule was weak last year too, and they went 4-13.
00:09:21
Snooty
They just spent two years losing to those weak teams in like the worst ways, too.
00:09:24
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:26
Snooty
And like I think that's the difference. is like It's not just that they're winning. they're They're beating the shit out of these teams for the most part. Even some of their closer games, like they were right there like to be able to blow them out like yeah like um against the Bucs. If they just come out of half a little bit better, like it's you know they're gonna that game's going to be blown wide open.
00:09:43
Snooty
And who fucking knows what's going to happen.
00:09:45
Hogdale
The most encouraging thing about these wins is one, they're winning by double digits. Two, it's they've been staying disciplined. Like they've, ah the penalties have been way down over the last five weeks because they started out the season undisciplined. I'm like, oh great, fucking another year of Patriots football where players, it seems like have no accountability and just draw billion fucking penalties.
00:10:06
Hogdale
Gerard Mayo deserves every ounce of criticism he ever got, by the way, times 50. It blows my mind if you're like, Gerard Mayo got a raw deal. No, he fucking didn't.
00:10:17
Hogdale
Last year, 4-13, when Drake may was giving you statistically league average quarterback play, do you know how hard it is to lose that many games getting league average quarterback play?
00:10:18
Savage Boston
Yay.
00:10:29
Hogdale
When you were 4-13 the year before that, it made sense. Mack Jones and Bailey Zabby were combining for the the worst pass game in the sport. So you're getting league worst quarterback play, no discipline, and the defense sucks ass.
00:10:40
Hogdale
Yeah, that makes sense. Like, the year after, you're you're getting league average, and you're still that bad? You're maybe the worst coach I've ever seen. You should never work in this sport again as a head coach. Holy shit.
00:10:50
Savage Boston
so
00:10:50
Hogdale
I
00:10:50
Savage Boston
So with Mayo, just to give him like, I'm not defending his head coaching role. What I'm defending is it's more about his decision-making, right? It's like, I put i just put it on Robert Kraft more than I put it on Mayo.
00:11:01
Savage Boston
It's like, if you're a guy who's like,
00:11:02
Hogdale
don't know.
00:11:03
Savage Boston
you're the janitor at a company, this might be a bad analogy, but if you' you're a janitor at a company and you know, the the board comes in and be like, Hey, like we need you to be CEO.
00:11:14
Savage Boston
Like we were, we ran out of people where we got, we need CEO, you know, you're going to lead us. And so if you're the janitor, you're say, well, this 10 folds my salary. Like, Oh, I gotta, gotta take this job.
00:11:28
Savage Boston
Or do you have the wherewithal to say, I'm not ready. So, and the analogy isn't perfect, but, but basically he clearly was not ready for that role, but he was elevated and they plan to put him in that role by Robert Kraft. So that you got to like hammer Kraft with the blame for that.
00:11:45
Savage Boston
Cause like Mayo should have never been in that position. And I'm happy if Mayo wants to go be a linebacker coach somewhere and build it back up. Go for it. Love it. Love that for you. Go be a linebacker coach.
00:11:57
Savage Boston
But like he should have just absolutely not been the head coach. That's all I have to say.
00:12:01
Hogdale
But like there's been plenty of examples where going young at head coach has worked tremendously when the guy actually has the aptitude. You know Kevin O'Connell with the Vikings ah back yeah obviously years ago.
00:12:11
Savage Boston
Sean McVay.
00:12:12
Hogdale
Now, Sean McVay with the Rams or, you know, like if you feel like you found a ah astute football mind, you don't let the age hold you back and you put them in there. Yeah. Gerard Mayo, like you said, just was not even close to ready. Some of those quotes he gave out, God, this guy was such a fucking excuse maker.
00:12:28
Hogdale
And like that was that's what drove me crazy the late years of Bill when I knew Bill was truly washed is when Bill started making excuses when he was literally the preeminent no excuses guy.
00:12:36
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:12:37
Hogdale
um like a Mayo's like, oh yeah, once they're on the field, there's nothing I can do for them. It's one of the worst quotes I've ever heard from a head coach in the history of football. That is so bad. you What do you mean?
00:12:48
Snooty
I think we should have seen it too coming when like they're like, okay, so he's going to start building a staff and he didn't know enough people to build a staff on his own.
00:12:48
Hogdale
ah Yeah.
00:12:56
Hogdale
It's pretty fucking good journey.
00:12:56
Snooty
He had to leverage Wolf and everybody else. It's like, do you realize how bad that is? Especially given he had like two or three years like leeway to be like, hey, I don't know, maybe make, go to conferences, go talk to other people, go make friends, see if you can, i don't know, make connections so you can bring someone in. We should have known from the very, very beginning that that was going to be just a horrible year.
00:13:15
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:16
Bret
Well, and then afterwards, now you look at it and Vrabel's come in here and essentially cleaned house. There's virtually no one left from the – there's no one left from the coaching staff. There's no one left from players.
00:13:17
Hogdale
i
Patriots' Playoff Prospects and Challenges
00:13:27
Bret
All the captains that were on last year are all gone. Like just a total cultural shift and, ah you know, shifted the dynamic of the team. And, you know, pivoting back to where we're at as a team and how it's looking at as a prospect going forward,
00:13:43
Bret
Yeah, I agree. It's one of those areas where people shit on the schedule, but if you stack it up to other teams on the AFC, we're not far off from where they're at. And the teams we have played, like statistically, defensively-wise, very good teams.
00:13:57
Bret
And then from a defensive perspective, we're kind of in a weird anomaly phase where we let up a huge amount of points when they're in the red zone, but we just never let teams in the red zone.
00:14:07
Bret
And if you think about it, we also have that – Narrative about the first drive scores and then we seem to shut teams down like we didn't allow another Team to score like the Jets scored in the opening drive.
00:14:19
Bret
They look like what the hell's going on? Is this gonna be a you know fuck up Thursday night? And then they scored one more time after that for the rest of the game like I don't know what it is or how they're able to figure out or what they're able to do but they're winning these games decisively There are some challenging spots that you can point to to say, hey, that's that's going to show something on what they're able to do as a team.
00:14:41
Bret
And they're going to have two back-to-back weeks coming up with Buffalo and Baltimore that are going to be really good testers for them, good barometers going into the playoffs. And, I mean, if they split that or, you know, hell, if they win both games, I mean, who's going to deny their capabilities of them making a run in the playoffs?
00:15:00
Bret
No one. It's just not going to happen.
00:15:03
Savage Boston
Did you see the ah Mike Felger clip? I clipped it that ah he said, he just implied they were cheating, which the most war back moment of all time that Felger immediately is like, well, they're succeeding.
00:15:10
Bret
Oh, yeah. He basically said they always score on the first drive.
00:15:17
Savage Boston
They must be cheating.
00:15:19
Bret
Yeah, I saw that. He basically said they seem to always figure it out. Somehow they always figure it out after that first drive.
00:15:25
Savage Boston
can't be coaching. It couldn't be good coaching. It has to be like cheating.
00:15:28
Hogdale
It couldn't just be they're bad against the script. Like they don't know how to stop scripted plays, but yeah.
00:15:33
Savage Boston
Yeah, the the script, clearly that it's a real problem. Obviously, we've all talked about it because it's a real point. you It's more like you don't want to get behind. if you're if they This is a good segue into this topic I want to talk about too, the general topic being like who do you want to see slash not want to see in the playoffs.
00:15:49
Savage Boston
But like you know again, for me, if you're seeing Kansas City, because there's a real world that that could happen. You're the 2C. They're the 7. Yeah. like there's ah There's a reality there where you can see the Chiefs.
00:16:01
Savage Boston
It was probably one of the teams i don't want to see. And I think that's just me being real. I think most people feel that way. like They just have so much experience and great coaching. um And so, yeah, but like there's a reality. like You don't want to get behind on that team.
00:16:17
Savage Boston
The Chiefs defense is very well coached. It's a very good defense. like I don't want and't want to be two scores down. going in the second quarter against the chiefs. So like, that's absolutely something they need to figure out.
00:16:28
Savage Boston
Like, it's not going to matter as much if you're playing the Bengals this week who have ah horrible defense, horrible. like They're not a good team. Like you should be able to score 30 easy on them.
00:16:36
Snooty
Thank
00:16:38
Savage Boston
We'll see how the game goes, but you should be able to score a lot. um So yeah, it's also, as good segue, like who do, whoever wants to take it, who do you not want to see in the playoffs?
00:16:50
Hogdale
For me, it's very easily the Chiefs, like you said. i don't care how bad the Chiefs look. like If they finish the season at like squeaking in the playoffs at they're telling me, like i like oh, yeah you could see Reed and Mahomes in a fucking playoff game.
00:17:04
Hogdale
ah No, I'd prefer cock and ball torture. That is a recipe for getting completely blown out and cooked in round one. He was like, i don't know, man, like the but Chiefs, like that they're this bad is mystifying. It makes zero sense to me.
00:17:19
Hogdale
Like Patrick Mahomes is ah proven already one of the all-time great quarterbacks in the league. Andy Reid is, by the time he's done, might have the hands-down argument for best coach ever.
00:17:31
Hogdale
They have a well-coached defense. I do not understand how they've lost this many games. Their weapons are good. Like, I think their running game is okay, and then they have actually good receivers.
00:17:41
Hogdale
they better receivers than, like, Buffalo, for example, like what Josh Allen's working with.
00:17:45
Savage Boston
I think, well, let me just, ah and I'll let other people say, I think teams have figured out how to play them over the years a little bit better. And the chiefs themselves have ah changed into a different operation.
00:17:58
Savage Boston
Right. So in 2018, 2019, it was like just my homes throw 50 touchdowns.
00:17:59
Bret
Yes.
00:18:04
Savage Boston
Right. But that was also when Brady was still throwing a million touchdowns. Like the the whole league was, it was a massive league year. for quarterback play and touchdowns. So what the league did was basically say, Hey, like we need to limit these quarterbacks. So what they, what they did was play constant, like two high safeties all the time, like always keep people in front of you.
00:18:25
Savage Boston
So backup play zone. So they let quarterbacks seem more efficient, but there's way less touchdown scoring and explosive plays, which is why what Drake may does again to back to Drake is pretty incredible because he's been making a ton of explosive plays.
00:18:40
Savage Boston
But that's that's what happens Mahomes. And then they morph their team into more of a defensive operation with good coaching. And Mahomes kind of is more of a scheme game manager, which he's, for the last two years, his numbers have not been phenomenal. And he's been more of a scheme guy.
00:18:56
Savage Boston
He can still make a play for you, but he's not the same kid he was in 2018, which is just interesting. So, um yeah. Yeah.
00:19:04
Hogdale
it's hard to be that guy when you don't have Tyreek Hill down the field, you know?
00:19:04
Bret
yeah
00:19:07
Savage Boston
yeah
00:19:08
Hogdale
But plus also, I mean, even with that though, like ma homes post Hill won a Superbowl and like through like what? 35 touchdowns in a season. Like it's one of those things where like, yeah, it's,
00:19:19
Hogdale
explosive players are definitely being limited and like uh that's one of the reasons why drake is so special is that he's willing to just you know take what the defense gives him but then also he's so good at picking out like when he can take his deep shots and he's so accurate i i just i genuinely can't believe we've gotten a quarterback as good as drake may so quick after brady man i was ready for us to be in a fucking wasteland for a decade like post brady and like it's our salvation has arrived
00:19:43
Savage Boston
je Just so I can, I wanted to stress us out really quick and someone else can take it, but Mahomes, and this is like a real narrative that it's taken a while for people to catch up with. And I don't know when the league is going to talk about this more.
00:19:55
Savage Boston
I don't have exact passer rating rankings, but you know, the last three years, I mean, 2023 is, is rating was a 92. He had 27 touchdowns and 14 picks.
00:20:05
Savage Boston
2024. I mean, they just made the Super Bowl still. He had a 93 rating on the year. 26 touchdowns, 11 picks. This year, he's got a 95 rating. It's all like kind of like middle of the pack passer rating for this era of football.
00:20:18
Savage Boston
So that doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback. That doesn't mean he's playing particularly poorly. He's just become a manager of the game, which is who brady they told you Brady was.
00:20:29
Savage Boston
which wasn't true. They're like, oh yeah, that's, that's who Brady is. The dip and dunk. Not true. Brady was explosive all the time going down the field. So I think there's been a shift in how Pat Mahomes has basically played versus, you know, the first three years of his career as a starter, his pass rating was one 13, one Oh five and one Oh eight. And he had 50 touchdowns, 12 picks, you know, like 38 touchdowns, six picks. Like he had dynamic numbers at the beginning. So anyway, someone else go.
00:20:55
Snooty
but that's But that's how there that team was built, right? like They were built on like the deep threat, the explosive play,
00:20:58
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:21:00
Snooty
which is why it was always going to be interesting to see. And again, I don't, never really doubted their ability to succeed changing, but it would just be interesting interesting to see Hills gone. Kelsey was always the guy from a skilled position outside Mahomes that he was the straw that stirred the drink, right? Like he was the one that made that engine go.
00:21:17
Snooty
He's obviously lost a step or two or three at this point. mean, he's older, he's a tight end, like, and he relied on his athleticism to to be successful. So He's not the same player he was before. The skill guys around those two aren't the same that they were before.
00:21:32
Snooty
So, I mean, it's natural to to take a step back. I think they were 11-0 last year in one-score games, and this year they're 0-5 at this point in one-score games.
00:21:41
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:21:41
Snooty
That tends to even itself out a little bit. Bounces don't go your way. It is what it is.
League Dynamics and Team Strategies
00:21:46
Snooty
They're the obvious choice for team I don't want to see in the playoffs, but just to switch it up, um don't want to see the Bills again because you're going to play them a third time.
00:21:54
Snooty
I think they're going to beat them in Foxborough. It's really, really hard to beat a team three times in the same year. um don't want to see them in the playoffs for a third time because the only, similar to Mahomes, the only thing that I could see beating the Patriots is a guy like going, basically doing what Drake May does and just going kind of supernova and just kind of taking over the game.
00:22:14
Snooty
And i don't I think he's that type of quarterback that could do that.
00:22:17
Bret
Yeah, I 100% agree.
00:22:17
Snooty
Alan.
00:22:19
Bret
but To me, it is the Bills because of everything you just said about Josh Allen and everything, you know, Savage you just said about Mahomes. i I hear that. And unfortunately, I am one of those guys that recognize he's been down so long because he's fucking up my dynasty team in fantasy.
00:22:35
Bret
But when I look at it, Allen, to me, is on that level from MVP caliber guy.
00:22:35
Savage Boston
ah
00:22:37
Snooty
but
00:22:43
Bret
i know some people talked about a staffer, but obviously not a great show in this last go around. You look at what's what Allen did this past week against Tampa.
00:22:51
Savage Boston
It was
00:22:51
Bret
Like, the guy can just take over games.
00:22:51
Savage Boston
good
00:22:54
Bret
And I recognize the fact that there's way less talent around him than just about any team in the league, other than running back, which they have a good running back. It's just his ability to take over a game and agree to when you play in the same team three times in a division team.
00:23:12
Bret
It's just there's a lot of risk there that I look at and get concerned about with Buffalo. What's wild to me, though, is I feel like I'm more concerned about that first round if we don't get the bye than I am about the second round.
00:23:25
Bret
Because I feel like the teams above that and what we have in the upper bracket, I mean, the Steelers right now, I'm not afraid of them, even when Rodgers were healthy. And he'll probably be back by the playoffs, I'm sure.
00:23:38
Bret
But I'm not concerned about the Steelers at all. I think Denver is one of those like fluky teams. Their defense is legit, but their offense is very up and down. like i don't I don't have a ton of faith in Bo Nix to be able to carry that team far.
00:23:53
Bret
So I think that's problematic. And then the Colts, I mean – hey Yeah, they have a great offensive line, and Taylor is an excellent running back, and they're a pretty solid defense.
00:24:04
Bret
But, again, they have Daniel Jones as their quarterback. like What are we talking about here? like They're not an explosive offense that's going to just dominate you. They don't have that proven caliber set of guys. So I don't look at them and say they're a juggernaut team that I'm afraid of. I'm way more afraid of Buffalo Bills than anyone else in the entire AFC.
00:24:27
Savage Boston
Yeah, let me let me add this really quick. So what's funny is I was just just looking up Mahomes numbers from 2020 when he was having like a really good season because he was he had a good season. You know what you what Aaron Rodgers numbers were in 2020.
00:24:40
Snooty
Thanks.
00:24:42
Savage Boston
Like this is where quarterback play wasn't that year. You want to take a wild guess or take a stab.
00:24:47
Bret
I mean, he probably threw for like 4,800 yards, like 48 touchdowns and 10 picks.
00:24:54
Savage Boston
You weirdly enough hit the touchdowns exactly, which was great.
00:24:55
Hogdale
it's very for like
00:24:57
Savage Boston
He had 48 touchdowns, ah five picks with 121 rating on the season.
00:25:05
Bret
Oh, my God.
00:25:05
Hogdale
All that gets pulled like an omelet by Tom Brady at age 45 years old.
00:25:07
Savage Boston
like
00:25:09
Hogdale
Get fucked.
00:25:12
Savage Boston
But like, I just think quarterback, I mean, this is a more of a league, a league point. I think quarterback play is like, it's worse is not the right name. Like, I don't necessarily think it's worse. I think defensive defenses have changed.
00:25:23
Bret
Thank you.
00:25:24
Savage Boston
think defenses are better at disguising coverage. I think they're better at playing very passively. Again, there's a lot of like, too deep safety play, like them run the ball, let them take what's in front of them. They're going to screw up.
00:25:37
Savage Boston
And I think it's changed what, what the numbers look like. And, you know, if Brady was in his prime now, Brady, maybe Brady would have figured out this style too. Right. And he would have put up more gaudy numbers. Who knows? But back to the playoffs, I think this it's just a clear sign that like all the talk, it's like it's it's wide open.
00:25:54
Savage Boston
And that's what that's what we want. Right. Like the league is open, which again, you you go back to the trade deadline. Why? You know, I wasn't. Hogdale had an even stronger take than I had about the trade deadline cause I feel like Hogdale has taken like his baseball approach to like, the you know, it's deadline or nothing.
00:26:11
Savage Boston
But, like, I was, like, I was disappointed. I agree. Like, disappointed. I think he should have, like, maybe they should have made that Jalen Phillips deal. Look what the fuck Jalen Phillips is doing with him.
00:26:20
Hogdale
It seems like it's benefiting the Eagles. like oh
00:26:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:23
Hogdale
It seems to me everyone's like, oh, you know, ah so NFL teams, well, they're not as aggressive as baseball teams.
00:26:23
Savage Boston
Like.
00:26:28
Hogdale
Well, the smartest GMs in the sport treat it like the baseball deadline. Howie Roseman used deadline as opportunity like, I'm going to fix my biggest weaknesses because we're a Super Bowl contender.
00:26:33
Savage Boston
Yeah, Howie Roseman did. Yeah.
00:26:40
Hogdale
This is our window.
00:26:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:26:41
Hogdale
So yeah, we're going to go get Jalen Phillips and he's going to be amazing because obviously you all knew he was going to be amazing.
00:26:41
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:46
Hogdale
Can't believe none of you other idiots picked up the fucking phone. Like, I don't know, man. It's like they had to go all in, but they did nothing. You did nothing. It's a failure of a deadline when you're sitting there. the you're Our playoff team is an understatement.
00:26:58
Hogdale
You are pushing for the one seed and you're ah your end goal is ah is nothing.
00:27:00
Bret
Thank you.
00:27:03
Hogdale
It's like, oh, well, we'll rest on our laurels. Like, yeah, you're a limp dick fucking soy boy loser. it's just It really is that simple.
00:27:10
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know who's driving the shit, whether that's ah all of them between Wolf and and and Cowden and Stretch and Vrabel, like all sitting in the room and like, oh, do we want to trade this sixth or is it two?
00:27:20
Savage Boston
Like ah the problem was the teams they were trading for with like, again, the Jets and the Dolphins and Titans all had specific reasons.
00:27:26
Hogdale
what ah ah The idea to me is like they call the Titans. The Titans like, we're not going to deal with because we don like you. And they're like, well, that's not fit.
00:27:33
Savage Boston
Pack it in.
00:27:34
Hogdale
Pack it in.
00:27:35
Savage Boston
yeah
00:27:35
Hogdale
um That's the only team we could have traded with. I don't know, man.
00:27:37
Savage Boston
Yeah, there's 28 other teams to that you an opportunity to make a move with.
00:27:38
Hogdale
Finding out the creativity.
00:27:42
Savage Boston
So, yeah.
00:27:45
Hogdale
God.
00:27:45
Bret
No, I was with Hogdale.
00:27:45
Hogdale
What is it?
00:27:46
Bret
i was I was more than just like annoyed. or frightened like I was pissed too. Because again, I looked at and I'm like, there were players to be had. And I know Snooty and I went back and forth on this one for a little bit because he was trying to say, we'll point to the players that existed.
00:28:01
Bret
And it's like, well, you can only take at face who got moved and then who could have fit in that regards. But you can't tell me that there weren't other players that were out there that didn't get moved that we could have pursued.
00:28:12
Bret
And, you know, I agree, Hogdale. I think it was just one of those things where we went in there. We just were like, no, we're going decide to move from Duggar and White for whatever reason. Yeah.
00:28:23
Bret
They didn't fit the scheme, but we don't need those depth pieces. I really hope we don't have any safety issues ah with health, but we decided to do nothing there. And then we didn't really do anything to add.
00:28:35
Bret
We added Rice's kid who we've already, I think, cut at this point. So it was like, the hell?
00:28:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, he already just signed with another team today.
00:28:41
Hogdale
Hilarious.
00:28:41
Bret
Yeah, so like we did nothing. We absolutely did nothing to address any of our needs from a depth standpoint to help support.
00:28:43
Savage Boston
Yeah, definitely, yeah.
00:28:50
Bret
And like we just lost Milton Williams for four games, which he's been dynamite on our defense. And I think we'll be able to weather it. And out of all the positions on the feet on the team to go down and get hurt, defensive tackle is probably the one we can weather the most.
00:29:05
Bret
However, we just can't afford injuries. We don't have depth. At all. And we didn't do anything to address on the trade deadline.
00:29:13
Snooty
I don't know. I mean, I think I just, all I hear from you guys is that you just doubt Drake May's ability to carry this team to the Superbowl. I mean, I think that's what all I heard you say.
00:29:20
Hogdale
I love Drake May, man. I do. I think he's he's he's unbelievable. I think people do a disservice to him by giving credit to like Josh McFucking Daniels as to why Drake May is great. Now, Drake May is great because Drake May is great.
00:29:31
Hogdale
ah Joshua Daniels is a good offensive coordinator. He's at a top half of the league offensive coordinator. They talk about him like he's this fucking guru. Like, no, man, like the dark passenger still appears. I've been watching football. This team is specifically for a long time.
00:29:44
Hogdale
I know Josh McDaniels. like Trust me, I know him better than anybody. And in close games, ah in the games that matter, he has this tendency to be conservative at the dumbest points possible.
00:29:55
Hogdale
And then also his worst tendencies was as soon as they go double digits, they just forget how to throw the ball down the field. They just do not run any but any dangerous play calls, anything that can threaten even in the slightest bit.
00:30:08
Hogdale
So you're basically just you allowing the other team to come back into the game.
00:30:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:12
Hogdale
Drake May is great because Drake May is ultra talented. like It really is that simple. Drake May looks good.
00:30:18
Savage Boston
yeah but
00:30:19
Hogdale
ah It showed flashes last year at points with actual terrorists at coaching positions everywhere. Worst coaching staff in the sport, and he still put up league average quarterback play.
00:30:25
Snooty
fix
00:30:29
Hogdale
People don't understand how hard that is with the worst wide receiver room in the sport.
00:30:29
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:33
Savage Boston
Yeah. As a rookie. And I did.
00:30:35
Snooty
And he put up huge numbers at UNC too.
00:30:35
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:36
Snooty
And it's not like UNC was this like loaded team.
00:30:39
Snooty
And the fucking coach got fired the year after he left.
00:30:39
Savage Boston
Yeah, people forget that shit.
00:30:41
Savage Boston
People forget that shit, by the way. When he was fucking 20 years old at UNC, he had 38 touchdowns and seven picks in like a shitty team.
00:30:49
Savage Boston
Not shitty, like a mediocre team. He fucking was lighting and I watched his footage. i was like, what the fuck? was like, this kid's ridiculous. was like, is anyone watching this?
00:30:49
Hogdale
No, but Ryan Pohl laughed at his footage in the in the fucking cap room.
00:31:00
Savage Boston
And then, then his, his later season, you know, in 2023, he took a step back cause he lost his receiver, blah, blah, blah. Right. But like his, his, his, how he looked at 19 years old, 20 years old was insane.
00:31:12
Savage Boston
And with Josh McDaniels, um Yeah, I think that McDaniels is a really good schematic ah offensive coordinator. I think he can set it up.
00:31:23
Savage Boston
I think he can develop and help Drake. I think he can make Drake a better, ah develop into a better player. Maybe he wouldn't have been as far along. i don't know. You can say whatever you want, right? But I think that's what's good. I think where we're all criticizing Josh is maybe his play calling.
00:31:39
Savage Boston
You know, it's more play calling than it is like the structure of the offense. Cause I think he's given Drake the tools to be great. And Drake took the tools. And this is what we wanted with Brady too. You know, you have Brady, the tools and then take it and run, you know, and that's, and that's what we want. We want out of Drake. And so like, to me, this is why Drake is the MVP. In my opinion, I'm not even being too Homer-ish. Obviously I'm a Homer, but like, I think he's the MVP cause he's the most valuable player.
00:32:07
Hogdale
I think if you took Drake Bay out of this team, I think they'd be fucking cooked.
00:32:07
Savage Boston
Like,
00:32:09
Hogdale
Like, genuinely. Like, if you had, like, almost any other quarterback they in this system, they would be cooked.
00:32:10
Savage Boston
Absolutely. and would Not close to this, dude. I mean, he's elevated the team and has made some incredible plays every game. Wow. Plays every game.
00:32:23
Savage Boston
So yeah, I think he is committed. Like, and I, Matthew Stafford is a great quarterback and he's done great.
00:32:27
Hogdale
You first got Poopinakua and fucking his weapons were insane.
00:32:28
Savage Boston
Like, Yeah, he's got – not only do they have all pros, but he has Sean McVay, who is considered one of the greatest offensive coaches around right now. So, like – and with a much better – just a much better roster. So, I think what Drake's done has been phenomenal.
00:32:43
Savage Boston
I think it's it's a three-man race between Stafford, Allen, and May right now. i'm Sorry, Jonathan Taylor is not going to win MVP. Running backs don't win MVP.
00:32:52
Hogdale
Last one to do was what Adrian Peterson, when he dragged that Viking state to the playoffs, basically.
00:32:53
Savage Boston
Sorry.
00:32:56
Savage Boston
yeah Is that the last one where he ran for, like, 2,000 yards or something?
00:32:57
Hogdale
I think it
00:33:00
Snooty
Wasn't that like 15 years ago, 20 years ago?
00:33:00
Hogdale
was like what?
00:33:01
Hogdale
2007.
00:33:03
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:03
Snooty
I mean, that's like...
00:33:04
Hogdale
I think Well, wait, 2012, 2097 yards. He was nine yards shy of
00:33:07
Snooty
Yeah, I was going to say 2007.
00:33:08
Savage Boston
and he was nat I mean, obviously AP was nasty.
00:33:10
Savage Boston
Like, don't get me wrong. But like, it's hard to carry from a position that you need five or six minutes to walk for you.
00:33:14
Snooty
Well, it had to be 2008? 2012, yeah.
00:33:15
Hogdale
the NFL record. two thousand and ninety seven yards he was nine yards shy the n of all record
00:33:18
Savage Boston
2020. Oh my God. We have 2000.
00:33:21
Snooty
right
00:33:22
Savage Boston
That's a lot.
00:33:23
Snooty
But I mean, like, to your point, like, you have to do something like that. to You know what I mean?
00:33:27
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:28
Snooty
In order to get serious MVP consideration.
00:33:31
Snooty
Like, you need to do something.
00:33:31
Savage Boston
Like Saquon Barkley last year, they said, oh, maybe Saquon should have won and he didn't win.
00:33:36
Savage Boston
And he was ridiculous all year, you know, like in there and he, and he didn't win. So it's just hard to win.
00:33:40
Snooty
it's like It's like the Heisman. Like, you have to be, you have to do something silly.
00:33:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:33:44
Snooty
Like, Christian McCaffrey, his last year at Stanford, like, he put up, like, ungodly numbers. Like, total yards and all that. Like, broke all sorts of records. I think he broke some of Barry, I think it was Barry Sanders' record.
00:33:55
Snooty
The all-purpose yards for a single season.
00:33:56
Hogdale
The shit that he did to Iowa in that, like, what, Rose Bowl game. It's of the most disgusting performances I've ever seen from running back ever.
00:34:01
Savage Boston
Oh, God.
00:34:01
Snooty
Yep.
00:34:04
Snooty
Yeah.
00:34:05
Hogdale
Man, I'm just realizing now thinking about it, like, Iowa football. They've been on the receiving end of some of the greatest running back performances I've ever seen. Remember that game Saquon, like, he had against ah Iowa, like, for Penn State?
00:34:16
Hogdale
I think he put up like, 263 total yards or some shit, like, four touchdowns.
00:34:16
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:34:21
Hogdale
Oh, my God.
00:34:21
Savage Boston
I watched, I watched, this is a deep cut. I watched Northeastern football. Okay. My alma mater in like 2006 or whatever it was when they had a football team. Cause now we don't, I watched Tim Hightower who was ended up being a pro running back.
00:34:37
Savage Boston
Okay. We didn't know that. I forget even what team he was on, but he ran for like two 80 against Northeastern.
00:34:42
Snooty
Richmond?
00:34:44
Savage Boston
We're just watching it. We're like, well, and then they canceled the football program. So that was pretty rough.
00:34:49
Hogdale
I will say, looking at Taylor's numbers, like he's pacing to have more than 2,000 all-purpose yards. He's at 1,300 total yards right now between rushing and receiving, and he scored 15 touchdowns already, which is fucking crazy.
00:34:59
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:03
Bret
He's got 15 rushing, two receiving.
00:35:05
Bret
So, I mean, he had a – because didn't it – what was their – I forget with who they played overseas, but he put up like four touchdowns in that game or something like that.
00:35:05
Hogdale
Also, it's 17 total touchdowns.
00:35:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:07
Hogdale
Goddamn.
00:35:07
Savage Boston
No, that's
00:35:14
Hogdale
Yeah, if you have, like, Jonathan Taylor in your fantasy team, like, you you don't even really need anyone else.
00:35:14
Snooty
Yeah.
00:35:18
Hogdale
It's just him just dominating every game.
00:35:20
Savage Boston
good.
00:35:21
Snooty
yeah
00:35:21
Hogdale
I do agree. Like, he's a running back. and The MVP is a quarterback ah position award, basically, for a reason. Because quarterback is the most valuable position on the field, beginning, end of the story.
00:35:33
Hogdale
It really is that simple.
00:35:33
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's it's hard to it's hard to have a non-quarterback win. But i want to let's let's pivot in the interest of time, okay?
Red Sox's Future Moves and Speculations
00:35:40
Savage Boston
Let's pivot to the Red Sox because we never get too much of an opportunity to talk Sox and we have Hogdale here. So, um again, just to preface this for a minute, okay?
00:35:50
Savage Boston
You know, when the Red Sox were really good, as we know, when they winning World Series games, they were spending a lot of money.
00:35:56
Hogdale
Yes.
00:35:56
Savage Boston
And we know this, okay? Not only were they spending money, but they had a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. They hit home runs. theyd They generated a lot of runs. They scored 900 runs a year, 1,000 runs a year, whatever. Like, they were nasty between, you know, the Ramirez-Ortiz years to, you know, Mookie Betts and whatever Benintendi. You know what I mean? They they were they were great.
00:36:18
Savage Boston
So – You look at the lineups now and how they've they've they've orchestrated a team, and almost I can't believe they put Roman Anthony in a position where he had to be had to carry this lineup for like two months at 21 years old.
00:36:32
Hogdale
Yeah.
00:36:32
Savage Boston
It's kind of shocking, really.
00:36:34
Hogdale
Yeah, know none of us can.
00:36:35
Savage Boston
And I hope he's that special. So um what i would I guess the question should be, what do the Red Sox need to do this offseason, Hogdale, to i don't know to bring him back to being a serious contender?
00:36:48
Hogdale
um To be a World Series contender, what the Red Sox need to do, it's honestly really easy, is you need to bring in a number two pitcher to pitch behind Garrett Crochet. You need to re-sign Alex Bregman. And then you need to sign a power bat to replace the one that you threw in the garbage, you giving Rafael Devers away for a bag of potato chips.
00:37:05
Hogdale
And then add another bat because the ah most elite lineups in the sport are absurdly deep.
00:37:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:37:11
Hogdale
So, you you know, like I said, bring Bregman back, add like a Pete Alonso at first base, and... I know there's so many options. You could trade for a Cattell Marte. You could sign like a lower end guy, maybe like a Ryan Mountcastle to, you know, platoon a DH in first base with Alonzo. And like they could swap positions between DH and first base.
00:37:31
Hogdale
What they're probably going to do now, see what I said is what they're, they should do what they, it sounds like what they're probably going to do is resign Bregman and bring in the number two. And that's it. ah Go fuck yourself. How dare you expect anything else?
00:37:43
Hogdale
um What do you think? We're the third most valuable franchise in the sport or something. Die.
00:37:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, I think honestly, like the Alonzo move to me is like would be the the big move. I think you need the I know people love Schwarber, too, and he's been awesome. But having the righty power bat, just like having the righty power bat sit in the middle of the order feels really important.
00:37:57
Hogdale
Oh, he'd be phenomenal.
00:38:03
Savage Boston
I think he did 40 homers at Fenway and Alonzo would be great.
00:38:05
Hogdale
You could have 55 Fenway. Shit, just playing the monster.
00:38:07
Savage Boston
Yeah, he would mash. So I'm big on Alonzo. Trade Casas. You don't say this stuff online because when people you write shit on Twitter, people will run with it, right? But like when you say it on the pod, it feels more fluid.
00:38:20
Savage Boston
But with Casas, I don't really get it. don't get it. don't love the weirdo the weird o thing Like just being like, let me be weird for the sake of it.
00:38:27
Hogdale
I love it.
00:38:31
Savage Boston
um If it works for you and you're awesome, like Mac Hollins, like, and you, and you go out there and you ball out and you're a good member of the team, that's great. But if you're a distraction and you don't produce, that's when it becomes a problem. So I don't know.
00:38:41
Hogdale
The best baseball example, the best baseball example is Manny Ramirez.
00:38:41
Savage Boston
how do you feel about cast?
00:38:45
Hogdale
The dude was literally taking a piss in the monster, like, and shoving over old men that, like, worked with
00:38:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, but he also mashed the baseball.
00:38:51
Hogdale
He did. And ah ah yeah the only reason I wouldn't trade Cassis is because his value is nothing. So like he genuinely provides more value just sign it kind of sitting in triple A in case someone gets hurt because he does still have ah considerable um a considerable amount of talent.
00:38:56
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:04
Bret
Thank you.
00:39:05
Hogdale
I would definitely not pencil him in as your opening day first base starter. I think you cannot do that. I think that's extremely irresponsible considering that he exploded his knee and then before that he exploded his rib cage.
00:39:16
Hogdale
So that's the only reason I wouldn't trade it. But like yeah, like he he shouldn't stop you from signing Pete Alonzo or like whoever other big name player you want to play first base.
00:39:25
Savage Boston
yeah
00:39:26
Snooty
No, especially since if he recuperates any value, then then you can actually trade him for anything, right? to Whatever you need at that point the season, either this year or next.
00:39:33
Hogdale
I will because it's funny because like the Cassis trade rumors out again, which by the way, I don't know if you guys have figured this out. It's just Alex Cora. It's just him yapping about how much he doesn't like ah Tristan Cassis because it's like a fucking open secret.
00:39:47
Hogdale
Well, yeah, that's him. Like basically the winter meetings or the GM meetings just being like, i fucking can't stand Tristan Corsis.
00:39:50
Savage Boston
just chatting.
00:39:52
Hogdale
It's a shit. I hope Craig trades his ass. Like this is why it's the same way every year. It's literally, it's just Alex Cora yapping genuinely.
00:40:00
Savage Boston
So knew the Craig too is like, you know, Craig gets heat still. And like something about Craig's personality makes me want to hate him. But like,
00:40:08
Hogdale
He's a fucking geek.
00:40:10
Savage Boston
Yeah, he's just, yeah I don't like how he speaks.
00:40:11
Hogdale
not
00:40:12
Savage Boston
Like it's something about like, he just has, it's just robotic. Like there's not a lot of emotion. It's like, it's like a robot trying to figure out how to be a person. You know, there's something about it. I don't love, but to be fair to him, the moves he made really worked out.
00:40:27
Savage Boston
And, and I mean, even though I, what's his face or all this Chapman, mean, the Chapman move, dude, like he was electric.
00:40:36
Hogdale
Yeah, and then that the contract they got him on is really good, too. Like, the the extension that's Andrews is extremely reasonable.
00:40:42
Savage Boston
So, I mean, stuff like that is like, what what a move. The Bregman move worked out for a while until until it didn't, you know, until he got hurt. But, like, he's such a great leader. So, like, you know, yeah. i And then the crochet trade.
00:40:54
Savage Boston
You know, crochet was crochet. So, you legitimize the team with those moves.
00:40:56
Hogdale
Any extension he got him to is a steal. If Garrett Crochet hit the open market, he'd get $400 million dollars easily, if not more. Like, he could have gotten pushed to $450 million.
00:41:03
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. such a fantastic acquisition. He's such a great pitcher. So I think, yeah, like you said, like number two pitcher, don't know if it's Joe Ryan or they want to trade for, don't know, people throw out all sorts of really great names like school ball.
00:41:17
Hogdale
Sandy Alcantara is the name that's out there.
00:41:19
Savage Boston
Yeah. I don't know. It's like a trade. They stay said, I think who was a Craig said that he's looking to do it via trade. I think so. Um,
00:41:26
Hogdale
Yeah, I mean, you if they signed one, I wouldn't mind it. I mean, ah you know, if he got like a Michael King, I'd be more than happy with him. I think he's extremely good. Minor health concerns, but nowadays, like with pitchers, everyone's a health concern. You could blow your elbow out at any given time.
00:41:40
Hogdale
So, again, it's just find the guy you like the most.
00:41:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:41:43
Hogdale
Joe Ryan seems the most likely because like they made such a violent push to get him at the deadline. But I mean, there's plenty of options out there. There's so many avenues to make the team a World Series contender. It's just hopefully they take one of them.
00:41:56
Snooty
Do you think there's any chance that they extend themselves at all? Because really, that's what they have to do. It's just like you can't worry about getting necessary. You're never going to get fair value on the open market. Like that's just by definition.
00:41:57
Savage Boston
yeah
00:42:05
Hogdale
Oh, that's the post-reopen market.
00:42:06
Snooty
That's just yeah. you That's just not where you go for for value. Like, do you think there's any chance they extend themselves at all?
00:42:12
Hogdale
I think there's a chance just because, like, I don't know, like, John Henry just dropped, like, what, a half billion dollars on Liverpool last offseason for them.
00:42:17
Bret
Yeah.
00:42:20
Hogdale
so like... this theoretically should be the year where it's reckless abandon. You just throw whatever you need to at your problems because there's not going to be baseball in 2027. We've all come to terms with it. There's going to be a lockout. It's probably going to last an entire year.
00:42:33
Hogdale
We are not going to have baseball in 27. So you need to go for it this year because a year of your window is just going to be Thanos snapped out of existence. Like this should be year you've got levels in.
00:42:43
Savage Boston
What are they trying to do with the with with the deal? they trying to take away like the guaranteed contracts or something? like What are the owners trying to get?
00:42:48
Hogdale
I want a salary cap, like a hard cap.
00:42:49
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:42:51
Hogdale
ah And this has happened. This happened already 30 years ago when the owners were like, we want a hard salary cap. And you know what happened is that there was no world series that year because the player said, Hey, um, no, we, we, we, we like that. We make a lot of money without a cap and salary caps exist to artificially keep wages down. So no.
00:43:09
Hogdale
And then there wasn't a salary cap. Oh,
00:43:12
Savage Boston
and And again, like, I love the point too. I think it was ah maybe Karabas that said this. I love the point about the Dodgers and everyone's kind of like, and I've even said the past too, because you're like, oh, fuck the Dodgers. They're just get everybody there. Blah, blah, blah.
00:43:25
Savage Boston
But like the Dodgers are like somewhat just providing the model. Like you gotta, you gotta to go compete with them. Like if you want to win, you've got to spend and compete. And they should inspire other, other organizations to compete with them. Like if you're the Red Sox, like you, like you said, sudy and you extend yourself, like, yeah, go get, go sign Alonzo trade for Joe Ryan and then add that extra bat.
00:43:46
Savage Boston
And then you got Roman Anthony and then you got Marcello Meyer figuring out how to come out and then whatever. Right. then you trade Duran. So like, I think there's a lot there that they could do, but they should go ah be a top five spending team in baseball. Not at like 13th, you know?
00:44:03
Bret
yeah I mean, i I've been sitting around for probably like seven years plus at this point. And to me, I'll believe it when I see it. Like, i just I just don't believe it. I think they're perfectly content just going by with getting the baseline talent that they think they need to do and then just leave it at that. And I have not seen Henry...
00:44:03
Hogdale
I mean, it really works.
00:44:23
Bret
open his pocket for the Red Sox in any big way. And we've just gone through GM after GM who can't try to make those moves because he just won't open it up. So I am not going to get overly optimistic that we're going to do any of that, which is just freaking annoying because we have some great young talent and yeah, we have a guy like Roman Anthony and You just talked about it.
00:44:46
Snooty
Thank you.
00:44:47
Bret
Think about all those contracts that we just listed off where we'd say like those were great deals for us. Normally when you have great deals like that, you can splurge and overspend on another player, but they just won't because that's just not who they are.
00:45:00
Bret
And they haven't been that way in, like I said, almost a decade. So it's just like what are we expecting?
00:45:06
Hogdale
This is like also a year where if you empty the cupboard trade-wise with your prospects, you're going to two full drafts ah by the time like the 2028 season rolls around. Like you're going have the draft this year and 27 during the lockout, you'll have a draft then.
00:45:20
Hogdale
And like, so you're going to have time to refill your cupboard. um like after, you know, theoretically you sw sling away a bunch of your prospects because the Sox prospect system, especially pitching wise, is very deep right now.
00:45:32
Hogdale
They have legitimate ah pieces they can use as ammo um for these big trades. So, like, do what you got to do, man. Sign who you need to sign. ah Fire prospects out of the prospect cannon.
00:45:43
Hogdale
And we move. It really should be that simple. Like the, the past, the, um the path to being the front runner the American league is so easily spotted.
00:45:54
Hogdale
It is such, so easy to do.
00:45:56
Snooty
Especially like,
00:45:56
Savage Boston
It does feel more – it feels more clear now than it's been in in years, the past.
00:46:00
Snooty
especially just like the Anthony deal alone. Like you could argue like the surplus value that you're going to get from that contract alone should merit spending billion dollars on somebody else.
00:46:07
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:46:10
Savage Boston
Well, they said the Dodgers already recouped all their money from like a $700 million dollars deal with Otani just unlike fucking advertising.
00:46:10
Snooty
Yeah.
00:46:16
Hogdale
We have the entire country of Japan bought his t-shirt brother. Like, of course.
00:46:19
Savage Boston
I mean, it's, but it's, we all said it at the time, we're like, well, that's a lot, but like, they don't give a shit.
00:46:20
Snooty
Yeah.
00:46:20
Bret
Yeah.
00:46:25
Savage Boston
They're going to make that back in a second. They're smart and massive.
00:46:26
Snooty
It's also largely deferred, which is... Pedroia?
00:46:29
Savage Boston
Ridiculous. Yeah. Well that, I mean, they can have an issue with that. If you want to talk about deferring money, that's a different, and to reduce your salary cap burden now, like that's a ah point you can discuss.
00:46:38
Hogdale
Can I just point out, we we used to do that.
00:46:39
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:46:41
Hogdale
Like, when we were the most competitive, we do that. We did that.
00:46:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:46:44
Hogdale
We did it with Manny Ramirez. We did it with Chris Sale. um
00:46:47
Snooty
paroa
00:46:48
Hogdale
Pedroia. Like, yeah, the the best teams do that. I'm not going to get on the Dodgers for deferring money. It's legal. It's in the fucking CBA.
00:46:54
Snooty
It's not so much that they did it, it's the amount of money that they did it with, with Otani. That was the jarring figure. Like, it was like, what it was, um it wasn't like, it was over half of it, right?
00:47:03
Savage Boston
It wasn't all it. was like 600 something.
00:47:04
Snooty
It was like almost all of it. It's like he gets like, yeah, he gets some paltry salary, but like, ah allegedly.
00:47:06
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He like kept like 2 million bucks or something. Like I forget what it was. Well, he's off. Who knows? Do some interesting gambling stuff with it or something. Who knows? But. All right. All right.
00:47:16
Savage Boston
just just To wrap it, to reel it in, reel it in.
00:47:16
Snooty
Allegedly.
00:47:20
Savage Boston
I just want to bring it back to, because we usually end the pod with predictions and and just to guess the Patriots-Bengals game this upcoming, what, Sunday, one o'clock. um You know, and and give a score, give you your prediction. ill obviously take the Pats.
00:47:35
Savage Boston
I'm going to them 31 to 14. Snooty, give me your prediction.
00:47:40
Snooty
3421 pats. That's definitely going to happen.
00:47:45
Savage Boston
Brett, what do you got
00:47:47
Bret
I was gonna 3417. Yeah, like the 300.
00:47:50
Savage Boston
got? We're all pretty close. Hogdale?
00:47:51
Hogdale
That's about where I was sitting. I'll go a bit extra. I'll say 40 to 14, and this is Drake's first career 300-yard passing game.
00:47:58
Savage Boston
Yeah, I like that. I like that prop.
00:47:59
Snooty
that's definitely happen
00:47:59
Bret
yeah i like the three hundred
00:48:00
Savage Boston
If you want to have a prop bet situation going on ah um this game, you hit the 300-yard over because very bad.
00:48:06
Hogdale
Bengals' defense is so fucking bad.
00:48:08
Snooty
they've They've given up over 27 points in nine straight games.
00:48:09
Hogdale
Ugh.
00:48:13
Savage Boston
It's not good. It's not good. I mean, honestly, and you have Ramondre back too. You should be able to like run the football a little too. So this should be – and then if Jamar Chase is
00:48:18
Hogdale
Oh, God, we better not give him the fucking ball. The last thing I wanted them to see is that like we're taking the ball Travion Henderson's hands. like It's just shown. I was screaming about this this entire time when they refused to give him the fucking ball in space.
00:48:26
Savage Boston
out – Get ready.
00:48:30
Savage Boston
Get ready to be disappointed, bro, because it's coming.
00:48:30
Hogdale
I'm like, Travion, he's better.
00:48:32
Hogdale
He's better than Stevenson. Stevenson does not.
00:48:33
Savage Boston
Just –
00:48:34
Hogdale
like Mike f Frabel thinks that Ramondre is like year one or two Ramondre. He's not that guy anymore. He doesn't have that level of burst. He was like two or three yards of fucking carry.
00:48:43
Savage Boston
Just get ready because he's going to be starting the game. i almost got you.
00:48:46
Hogdale
I'm getting ready. It's a joke. Like it's, I'm sorry. And people were like, oh no, I trust the staff. Well, you shouldn't like, this is the guy who played DeMarco Murray and Dion Lewis over Derek Henry. beat
00:48:55
Snooty
Yeah.
00:48:57
Hogdale
I'm sorry. When the team's winning, you don't give us coaching staffs blind trust.
00:48:57
Snooty
I mean,
00:49:00
Hogdale
You could always be doing things better.
00:49:02
Snooty
I generally agree with you, but I think Henderson's taken like 85% of the snaps the last two weeks and he's not a huge guy.
00:49:09
Hogdale
you
00:49:09
Snooty
So no, I know.
00:49:10
Hogdale
Good.
00:49:11
Savage Boston
Yeah. He has props to Henderson, by the way, for all the criticism we gave him, everyone gave him props to him for sticking it through.
00:49:12
Snooty
I mean, I'd rather like,
00:49:18
Savage Boston
And it's like, he's been excellent.
00:49:19
Hogdale
Like, guys, I don't think they called, like, a fucking, like, a toss or, like, any kind of, like, play to get him in space until, like, week, what, fucking seven? They just kept running in between the tackles.
00:49:27
Savage Boston
I know. I know.
00:49:29
Hogdale
The dumbest thing I've ever seen.
00:49:30
Savage Boston
But that's Josh. That's Josh.
00:49:31
Hogdale
He's
00:49:31
Snooty
Where is he in the passing game?
00:49:33
Savage Boston
Yeah. they He needs to catch screens, dude.
00:49:33
Snooty
Like, as a receiver.
00:49:34
Hogdale
a weapon in the passing game, man.
00:49:35
Savage Boston
I don't,
00:49:36
Snooty
Yeah.
00:49:37
Hogdale
They just don't use him there.
00:49:38
Savage Boston
I don't know where the screen game is. All right. I'm going to, I'm going to wrap it up now, guys. Thanks for tuning in. I appreciate you coming on, Hogdale. Appreciate your time. Don't sign off yet. I'm going to end it and make sure the audio uploads.
00:49:49
Hogdale
That's fine. like
00:49:49
Savage Boston
See you guys next time. Peace.
00:49:51
Bret
Peace.
00:49:52
Snooty
Yep.