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EPISODE 54 - Patriots massive win. THE PATS ARE BACK.
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DRAKE MAYE. LFG.
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Introduction and Setup
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Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We are here tonight. It is October 7th, 8.30, right on the dot, and coming off a massive, massive win against the Buffalo Bills, which is absolutely crazy. I'm your host, Scott, with Savage Boston Sports. I'm here with our guy Brett, who's always on the pod.
00:00:22
Savage Boston
And we're here with a friend of the pod, frequent return guest, Pats Pro from Twitter. How we doing, Pats Pro? What's up?
00:00:29
PatsPro
I'm doing well, Savage. Thank you for having me. Brett, as always, it's good to be on with you. I am excited to pod tonight. i think it's going to be a fun one.
00:00:37
Savage Boston
Yeah,
Patriots' Victory Celebrations
00:00:38
Savage Boston
yeah. I mean, this is, um you know, I mean, it's hard hard to obviously know where to start. But, like, with that game, like, first off, what a ridiculous win.
00:00:48
Savage Boston
I mean, just to just to fully absorb the win and, like, as ah as kind of like a fan podcast, like, you know, this doesn't have to be us to be in, like, hyper analytical, you know, off the bat. Like, just as a fan, what a fucking win.
00:01:01
Savage Boston
I mean, seriously. Like, when's the last time you remember watching this game? Prime time. You're in it and you're like, holy fuck, like I think we can win this fucking game. And then they actually pull it through. When's the last time – seriously, you throw it out to you guys. When's the last time you remember that feeling in a real massive primetime game?
00:01:17
PatsPro
The win game.
00:01:20
Savage Boston
What, the but the Buffalo? you talking about the Mac game with three throws?
00:01:21
PatsPro
Buffalo win game was the last one when Damian Harris broke that run for like 60 yards.
00:01:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:23
Bret
Thank you.
00:01:26
PatsPro
I was like, oh, fuck, we can we can win this because they're a throwing offense. They don't have a run game.
00:01:32
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:32
PatsPro
But that was... four years ago, right?
00:01:34
Savage Boston
Yeah, it was 2021.
00:01:36
PatsPro
2021, yeah.
00:01:36
Savage Boston
Yeah. times.
00:01:37
PatsPro
So, yeah, the win game in Buffalo was the last time I was like, damn, this team might be able to pull something off. That's sad, but also we made it through the shit. We made it through the shit, thank God.
00:01:49
Savage Boston
yeah
00:01:49
Bret
du And that was that was such an ugly game, too. like I remember that game.
00:01:53
PatsPro
Oh, so the grossest game.
00:01:55
Bret
But...
00:01:56
Savage Boston
but through it three times
00:01:58
Bret
i I mean, how could you throw? it like The win was a legitimate factor. It was just one of those fluky, fluky games.
00:02:03
PatsPro
ah Josh Allen could do it. He he threw a couple of passes in that game. That was just crazy.
00:02:08
Savage Boston
Yeah, Josh is crazy. But yeah, no, i agree. I mean, I'm trying to think back, like, what was the biggest win? Like the real statement, prime time, prime time win with the stakes feeling high like that.
00:02:18
Savage Boston
And I know it's not the playoffs, but the stakes high, like, do you have to go back to like a, I don't know, like a 20, like a 2019 game with Brady?
00:02:26
Bret
and I feel like it's pre-braiding.
00:02:27
Savage Boston
Like you have to go back to Brady? Yeah.
00:02:29
PatsPro
No, i feel I feel like it's the win game because didn't that win game put them in first place in the AFC?
00:02:34
Savage Boston
They did have a run there that season. I know everyone's like, oh, it was fake. It was fake. But they had run. They won a ton of games.
00:02:39
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:02:40
Savage Boston
They got in first. And then, I mean, it's just that we know the outcome of them getting blown out in the playoffs.
00:02:44
PatsPro
Yeah, that's true.
00:02:45
Savage Boston
It was like that team felt like fraudulent in some way.
00:02:45
PatsPro
We're letting it. Yeah.
00:02:49
Savage Boston
um
00:02:49
PatsPro
All right, so discounting the win game, 20 high stakes.
00:02:52
Savage Boston
High stakes. High stakes.
00:02:54
PatsPro
I mean... God, the the the AFC Championship 2018, was it? That has to be it, right?
00:03:01
Savage Boston
Yeah. Like the last like.
00:03:03
PatsPro
The last ride.
00:03:04
Savage Boston
for tat like.
00:03:04
Bret
the last one.
00:03:05
PatsPro
yeah Yeah, the last ride, you know, last 34 seconds. You know, Tyreek gets that that big catch. Kansas City kicks it into overtime, and Tom Brady drives right
Bryson's Prediction Spotlight
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PatsPro
down the field.
00:03:15
PatsPro
Chris Jones is off sides, and we're back to the Super Bowl, baby.
00:03:18
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:03:19
PatsPro
That was eight years ago.
00:03:19
Savage Boston
I mean, ah just a shout out to our guy, Bryson, who was on the pod recently. Bryson wrote like an article about it ah before, you know, before. And he's like, this might be one of the biggest games since 2018.
00:03:32
Savage Boston
And I was like, yeah, i love the take. love a hot Love a hot take. Bryson did have them winning, by the way, too, in their pick, although he said they were home.
00:03:37
Bret
Yeah, and I'm winning by a lot, too.
00:03:39
Savage Boston
I don't know why he chose that. But anyway. i show
00:03:41
PatsPro
had winning by a lot, but also he, um he got shouted out by Mike Tirico, which I thought was, it
00:03:48
Savage Boston
Yeah, that was that was kind of nuts. If that was really like, was Tariqo really, you know, I mean, all all power to to Bryson for that. i mean, i don't know he'll hear this probably, Yeah.
00:03:55
PatsPro
I think it was because like who else put out an article that was talking about the most, you know, the most consequential Patriots game in the last, you know, whoever many years.
00:04:01
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:04:04
Savage Boston
Yeah, I think that's that's crazy. I mean, that's awesome. if you I mean, it's too bad he didn't get his like his name shouted out on national TV.
00:04:09
PatsPro
Yeah. His, his name out there and everything. he Yeah.
00:04:11
Bret
Thank you.
00:04:11
Savage Boston
That would have been even better for him. But ah but very cool.
00:04:14
PatsPro
Still pretty dope.
00:04:15
Savage Boston
Very cool to have him mentioned.
Drake May's Performance Analysis
00:04:16
Savage Boston
So, yeah, I mean, you know, jumping the game, you know, I think Drake May's second half was something like – it was like 13 of 14 for 180 yards, you know, including game-winning drive. And, I mean – you You really can't get closer to perfect than how Drake was. And it wasn't just like accurate perfect. It was like let me put the team on my back.
00:04:42
Savage Boston
Let me make signature plays. Like I don't know. Again, we haven't felt this way in a while. We just felt like blow after blow, like especially in that final drive with the D tackle hanging on him throw, then the hole shot. And you're like what the fuck? Like this kid's fucking got it.
00:04:57
Savage Boston
Like, in their mind, i was like, this kid's fucking got it, dude.
00:04:57
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:04:59
Savage Boston
I know we say that.
00:04:59
PatsPro
So in my mind, i mean, ah ah Brett, you want to take this one first because I have a lot of thoughts.
00:05:00
Savage Boston
We're like, oh, shit. You know? So, like, give me your Drake May thoughts.
00:05:10
Bret
I mean, ah I would just say, you know that and I know it's been like daily reminders at this point, Drake May threw this pass down the sideline to Diggs on a rollout.
00:05:10
Savage Boston
It's like
00:05:23
Bret
And you just watch when he like released the ball where Diggs was to where it ended up.
00:05:26
Savage Boston
good ball.
00:05:27
PatsPro
Thank you.
00:05:29
Bret
You couldn't place that any better. And he did that full sprint rolling out to the right. And then to do it again where he's got the D tackle, like, pulling him down. Like, i don't even know what the gap is between what his right knee was going to go down and off the ground to when he actually released the ball.
00:05:47
Bret
But just the wherewithal to, like, be able to do that.
00:05:51
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:51
Bret
And stay strong up there. Like, just shows his pure athleticism. And on top of it, like, the guy's will to win. And, like, Brady made a comment about it afterwards where it's just, like, he does plays like that. It's hard not to look at him as being, like, a leader and just motivate you to just play that much stronger.
00:06:08
Bret
You know, you get that much more confidence as a team, and you're going to, like... It's one of those areas where, as a wide receiver and your guy's in scramble mode, you're not going to give up on him because you know he's just going to come up and make a freaking play.
00:06:21
Bret
And, like, I just think there was just countless examples in that game where you look at it, and from, like, a stat line standpoint, yeah, add and, like, no touchdowns. But yeah his efficiency. I mean, he's over 70% again.
00:06:34
Bret
He's doing it under duress. He's, like, making all of the right decisions. It's just... It's like goosebumps just thinking back about like how he played and just thinking ahead of like where does that project us out because he is solidifying himself as the guy.
00:06:52
Savage Boston
That
00:06:53
PatsPro
I have to agree with everything you've just said, but but three three throws really stick out to me. Like, yeah, I'm not going include the you know stiff arming a 300-pound guy while you're going to your right, almost on your knee, and you just fucking yeah get it out there, and Diggs catches it, and it it was a laser somehow, and he gets the first down 13 yards.
00:07:03
Savage Boston
was crazy.
00:07:14
PatsPro
i'm I'm going to discount that one because that's just like freak athletic play. The three throws of that for me, I was like, oh my God. It was the two throws to Hunter Henry, the one where um where he goes to his left, and we'll talk about Will Campbell, but Will Campbell is putting up a hell of a fight against Joey Bosa, and he just absolutely floats one over the defender's head, and I'm talking if he had put it any lower, that's tipped and picked.
00:07:45
PatsPro
If he puts it any higher, that goes over Hunter's head and into the safety's hands. It was the perfect height on the perfect throw. to get that first down. It was crazy.
00:07:55
PatsPro
Like not many. And and by the way, the he was going to his left, flips his hips, goes. It wasn't even like he had to think about it. He just did it. And then there was the second one to Hunter Henry, where again, he's in the pocket, drifts a little bit left to get room.
00:08:11
PatsPro
He's definitely supposed to take the underthrow there, but sees Hunter coming open in that space and just rifles it to him.
00:08:19
Bret
Yep.
00:08:19
PatsPro
Again, sticks, rips the hips, rifles it to him. And I'm just looking at it That was like a 25 yard throw in the air straight down on a frozen rope. How the hell do you do that?
00:08:30
PatsPro
I can't do that. no Nobody can do that. And then of course, yeah, there's the ah the whole shot to to Booty where it's just like, okay, they they think you're going to take that underneath. I think it was to Douglas.
00:08:43
Bret
ye
00:08:44
Savage Boston
Yeah, looked ah looked him off to the flat and then came back.
00:08:44
PatsPro
But he, yeah, looked him off to the flat
00:08:48
PatsPro
and then immediately realizes, oh, I'm going to be able to get him in the whole shot. Twists his hips again, just right on target, rips it. And booty had, doesn't have anybody within two feet of him when the ball is in his hands.
00:09:00
Bret
Yeah, he took advantage of the cover too.
00:09:01
PatsPro
So I, I just, I took advantage of the cover too, but like just the, the instant processing, the, the rifle of the throw. I don't know that I've ever been so excited about a throw in, I don't know, did it six, seven years.
00:09:15
Savage Boston
It's like the whole culmination though. You know what i mean? It was like the fact that it was, it's the moment, right?
00:09:17
PatsPro
Well, yeah, we we're all expecting him to lose. We're all expecting him to to not live up to the moment, not live up to what we thought, and then he does it.
00:09:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:26
PatsPro
he It's like the Lisa El-Gaib from Dune, you know?
00:09:28
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Great movie. Yeah. So I think honestly, like, yeah, I think he basically, we all expect failure or him to falter. Like, all right, well, he still got to go over that hump, you know? Oh yeah. He still can't win. all of a sudden you're like,
00:09:44
Savage Boston
Oh, fuck, well, he did he just won. He just out-dueled Josh Allen in the second half of that game. And you're like, you know, he made, and despite other people failing at times, like he made every play really. And that second half, I mean he was truly almost flawless. I mean, like literally almost flawless, which is really hard to do.
00:10:03
Savage Boston
And like making almost every right decision, which like, and we're five games in he's now played like one complete season. He's had like 17 – I think it's like 17 games an now or whatever. Like he's had one complete season.
00:10:16
Bret
Yeah.
00:10:16
Savage Boston
And we all talk development, development, development.
00:10:19
Savage Boston
Like he's ahead of where Josh Allen was at this point. I know maybe you could consider him less of a project. I don't know what kind of argument people want to make about that. But like he's ahead of where Josh was development-wise. Is he going to be Josh?
00:10:31
Savage Boston
I don't know. don't know who he's going to be. i just hope he he just keeps going the way he's going. Because if he can figure out this intermediate game, if he can take his risks – make kind of like crazy off-platform occasional throws, he's going to turn into a Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes-type player.
00:10:48
Savage Boston
not saying, hey, he's going to be Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes. I'm saying that type player where he can do everything, kind of. I mean, Pat Mahomes having some issues lately for all his faults. The beginning of Pat Mahomes' career was absurd.
00:11:01
Savage Boston
Absurd, his numbers, everything. Like he made every throw and had amazing coaching. With Drake, you just keep going with it, keep developing, learn how to make the right reads, and he's basically doing all that.
00:11:13
Savage Boston
So I threw out a question today on on Twitter, or more of a statement, less of a question, where I said something like, you can't name 10 other quarterbacks in the league you'd rather have right now than Drake May.
00:11:14
Bret
Thank you.
00:11:24
Savage Boston
And shout out Andy Hart threw it out on his the afternoon show. shout out Shout out my tweet on there, which is always nice to get on there. um and And, you know, I feel that way. I don't think if you take in contract, age, circumstance, growth, you can't name 10 people. I mean, ah we don't have to do it right now. That's all I'm saying. But you can't name 10 quarterbacks.
00:11:47
Savage Boston
You can't do it.
00:11:47
Bret
Thank you.
00:11:49
Savage Boston
mean, you can maybe name five you want. But, like, you take Drake over Jalen Hurts right now. I'd take Drake over Jayden Daniels right now. Why not? He's our guy. Jayden Daniels had a fantastic season last year.
00:12:00
Savage Boston
This year has been okay. He's got awesome coaching too. You know, I don't know. like why Why isn't he as good as Jayden Daniels? Why can't he be that or or better? Like, you just don't know this shit. We've got to wait for time to play out.
00:12:12
Savage Boston
so
00:12:12
PatsPro
So here's the only thing I'll say about that. Let's forget, you know, you can't name 10 quarterbacks. Let's just go through the rookie class of quarterbacks that he was drafted in. You definitely wouldn't take him over Caleb Williams.
00:12:24
PatsPro
The argument is there to take him over Jaden Daniels, JJ McCarthy.
00:12:27
Savage Boston
but yeah You would take Drake over Caleb Williams is what you meant.
00:12:30
PatsPro
yeah I'm sorry. Yes, yes. you You would take Drake over Caleb Williams.
00:12:31
Savage Boston
Yes, yes. Okay.
00:12:33
PatsPro
Sorry.
00:12:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:34
PatsPro
um Argument to be made with Daniels.
00:12:37
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:38
PatsPro
Penix, I would definitely take Drake May over Michael Penix.
00:12:41
Savage Boston
Yes.
00:12:41
Bret
Thank you.
00:12:41
PatsPro
Shout out Tom Kern because he still thinks that J.J. McCarthy was the right pick, which clearly it's not.
00:12:47
Savage Boston
He's going to have to walk that back at some point, like publicly.
00:12:49
PatsPro
He's going to have to, but he he he won't.
00:12:50
Savage Boston
publicly i don't know.
00:12:51
PatsPro
It's fine.
00:12:51
Savage Boston
No.
00:12:52
PatsPro
um And then Bo Nix. yeah Bo Nix is very limited, but he does well in Sean Payton's offense.
00:12:55
Savage Boston
No.
00:12:59
PatsPro
So, I mean, there's one other quarterback from his class where maybe you can make the argument. But I just, with size, athleticism, ability to take a hit, durability so far, you know, knock on wood.
00:13:06
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:15
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:16
Bret
Yeah, see, I mean, I don't and don't watch a lot of Bo Nix games to really think I would even put him in that class, but because i mean they're still like, they win on defense, really.
00:13:16
PatsPro
I think it's just better than Jaden Daniels.
00:13:28
Bret
The thing that I just look at, and ah just to kind of touch on Caleb Williams, I was one of the guys that basically said I thought he was going to be a bust from the outset, pre-draft, everything.
00:13:39
Bret
Yeah.
00:13:40
Savage Boston
Just based on his mentality?
00:13:41
Bret
You could just tell on his makeup. Yeah, it just like his makeup character-wise, right? Not even just the makeup that he wears.
00:13:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:46
PatsPro
the The crying in his mom's shoulders and the bleachers was a bit rough.
00:13:48
Savage Boston
not his like Not his, like, physical makeup?
00:13:50
Bret
Physical makeup.
00:13:50
Savage Boston
Like, his mascara?
00:13:51
Bret
Yeah, no no no judgment zone, but, you know, whatever, I guess.
00:13:55
Savage Boston
Oh, sorry. That's what you meant makeup. Pardon me.
00:13:58
Bret
Yeah. No, seriously.
00:13:59
PatsPro
You're going to get killed for that, by the way.
00:13:59
Bret
but
00:14:00
PatsPro
Okay.
00:14:01
Bret
You just look at...
00:14:01
Savage Boston
It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke.
00:14:03
Bret
and just You just look at Drake May and the plays that he's able to do and the compete level that he has. like He just has the it factor.
00:14:14
Bret
And we're so young in towards it, and he's doing it with less. Like, he really doesn't... Like, Diggs went off, and he's actually in bat-to-bat games over 100. Like, I'd be amazing if that's the kind of production we can get. I don't anticipate it, right?
00:14:30
Bret
And I think Henry's an underrated tight end. I still think he's, like, really a top-tier level tight end. But we have no complimentary run game. We haven't had it all season.
00:14:42
Bret
And, so like, we have no weapons beyond that. So, like, he's doing it with less. And he's doing it... As like, ah essentially like still a rookie. I mean, he just wrapped up his first full season. So what he's doing is extremely impressive. The throws he's making and the biggest growth that you see with him, because we all knew that the skill set was there. The raw talent was there. It's been the decision making.
00:15:07
Bret
His decision making, other than that one game where everyone decided to turn the ball over. has been spot on all year. And again, the guy's efficiency is just nuts. No one would have predicted this level of efficiency and ah how clean he clean a sheet he's had for this point. So sky's the limit with this guy. I'm so glad we finally found a freaking quarterback and we don't have to you know convince ourselves that We're going to get something other than what we saw with Mac Jones, which was you know a journeyman backup at best.
00:15:42
Bret
And then that rare zappy fever that people got. like We actually have a freaking quarterback. And it feels so good.
00:15:49
Savage Boston
Let's go.
00:15:49
PatsPro
it should It feels so excellent.
00:15:49
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:15:52
PatsPro
I want to get back to the whole zappy fever thing because I have a funny story about that. um But the one thing I wanted to say between Drake May and Josh Allen, I almost said Drake A and Josh Malin, is that...
00:16:07
PatsPro
Drake has had the stupid decisions beaten out of him quicker than they were beaten out of Josh Allen. I don't think I can put it any more bluntly. He's just, he's processing better. He's making the better decisions. He's making the right decisions.
00:16:20
PatsPro
I mean, he even saw it in the game on Sunday. Drake was just taking what was given to him. He was taking the easy throw to get into him ah second manageable, a third and manageable, and then just going from there. Josh, it felt like once they started to shut down James Cook, he was just trying to play that cowboy shit.
00:16:36
PatsPro
And it just it it backfired on him.
00:16:37
Bret
Well,
00:16:39
PatsPro
ah When was the last time you saw Josh Allen try to do some of the things that he was doing in that game? yeah It's been a while because James Cook has been going for 100 yards and two touchdowns every game.
00:16:51
Savage Boston
They just played a sloppy game.
00:16:51
PatsPro
Josh yeah it is super sloppy.
00:16:51
Bret
well
00:16:52
Savage Boston
You know what mean? Like, Buffalo was just – Buffalo didn't play their best game.
00:16:53
PatsPro
And I don't know what happened.
00:16:56
Savage Boston
Like, that's all that can be said, you know.
00:16:56
PatsPro
No, definitely not.
00:16:58
Savage Boston
and
00:16:58
Bret
Well, just real quick on Josh, like he even reverted back. I know, i don't know if you guys saw on the clip, the one that was like that last drive and Gonzo came in and tipped it. Right. And he was rolling out to the right.
00:17:09
Bret
He had, i don't even know who it was, but he had open guy and a top left.
00:17:13
PatsPro
Keon Coleman, left side of the the end zone, wide open.
00:17:15
Bret
Why? From the whole, from the beginning, like just never saw it, never looked at.
00:17:17
Savage Boston
just saw that.
00:17:18
PatsPro
Yeah, total blown coverage, and he missed it.
00:17:20
Bret
And it was like, Dude, like, and he, like, had him in his view, then he just rolled away from it, never came back towards it, and forced it in, and Gonzo made a hell of a play. And it's like, dude, that's him reverting back and him, like, falling into, like, a trap of where, like, he has those bad moments.
00:17:39
Bret
So, yeah.
00:17:41
Savage Boston
Well, a couple, couple important points. I think they're important points. One for Christian Gonzalez is i think people are sleeping on ah how much of an impact he makes already.
00:17:54
Bret
Thank you.
00:17:54
Savage Boston
I think people are sleeping on that. Like, I think it is not shocking in the two games he's come back. Other teams have had trouble what after the first leg drive of the game, ah you know, scoring. And I think he does take away half the field and and he's going to get better every week. So I think,
00:18:07
Savage Boston
There's
Patriots' Offensive Strategy
00:18:08
Savage Boston
an element to there. Like, again, the team does not have a lot of depth. You get a couple injuries and all of sudden you're like, fuck. Like if they lost Gonzo and like Milton Williams, granted they're two most talented guys, you'd be in a lot of fucking trouble.
00:18:19
Savage Boston
But um I think running the football, like basically they're saying statistically play action is still working really, really well for the Patriots right now.
00:18:24
Bret
The fumble is out.
00:18:28
Savage Boston
Like the numbers look good when they're using play action. Now the problem is at some point teams are going to figure out they just want to throw. like So they have to run the football at some point.
00:18:41
Savage Boston
And I don't know. like We don't have to touch on Ramondre. you know it's it's not
00:18:46
PatsPro
I do. I want to touch on him.
00:18:47
Savage Boston
We can. i think if you touch him, you fumble.
00:18:49
Bret
ah fumble at ah
00:18:51
Savage Boston
You know what I mean? a didn um I think honestly, like I would say feeling bad is like not the emotion at this point for him. like You just have to figure this out.
00:19:01
PatsPro
Stop being stupid.
00:19:02
Savage Boston
like This is your job.
00:19:03
PatsPro
just Just stop carrying it like a baby and start carrying it like every other running back in the league.
00:19:07
Savage Boston
just They have to make like what is Stretch doing in his office up top that he needs to look at like the exact fucking angle that Ramondre is carrying the ball. don't give a shit.
00:19:17
Savage Boston
But he either you run through the the hole with two hands or you change like Tiki Barber did and you change how high you hold it on your chest. I don't care. But you just can't do what you're doing because there's too many crippling fumbles now.
00:19:30
Savage Boston
Like the fact that they recovered a fumble and immediately fumbled again, it like, oh my God, like you're going to lose them the game. Like there's such massive swings in momentum. And I'm a huge believer in juice and aura and momentum and how much that affects a team and a football and really does. And the Patriots obviously have that swagger and momentum and, you know, look at what Diggs did. You know I mean? And again, we can talk about that too, but like Mondre has to figure this out and,
00:19:58
Savage Boston
And before I throw it to you guys with Mondray, need Travion Henderson to also figure out how to run the football like a running back and not just get the ball and run a million miles an hour into the asshole of ah of the lineman in front of him.
00:20:15
Savage Boston
Okay? because You're a fucking running back. You need to be – like, go watch tape of fucking Le'Veon Bell, dude.
00:20:21
PatsPro
No, he's running into back. That's what he's supposed to do.
00:20:22
Savage Boston
Like, what does Derrick Henry do? What does Le'Veon Bell do? What does, like, some of these who are really good running backs historically and presently, you know, you read the whole, where are we going?
00:20:34
Savage Boston
Do I even look watch Ramondre? Ramondre is a better running back than Travion Henderson. He just fumbles all the time.
00:20:39
PatsPro
Just call James White. and
00:20:42
Savage Boston
Anyone who's had success running and being patient behind a line, knowing when to hit the hole, knowing when to accelerate.
00:20:43
PatsPro
Yeah, somebody.
00:20:48
Savage Boston
So I don't know what's going on and why he doesn't have the feel for this. But right now, statistically, and this sucks to say, he's one of the worst statistical running backs in football. Travion Henderson.
00:20:58
PatsPro
ah He's actually tied. They were going over this on Felger and Maz and Greg Bedard was going over it. He's like 74th of 104 tied with Antonio Gibson. Ramondre, I think was actually worse at like 86.
00:21:11
Savage Boston
Just because of the fumbles rank, like ranking wise.
00:21:12
PatsPro
Correct.
00:21:13
Savage Boston
But like, yeah, I would say like remodier to me, if you watch football, watch the games, he runs the ball a lot better than Travion.
00:21:13
PatsPro
Yes.
00:21:21
PatsPro
Way better. he He is a much more talented, true running back, power running back.
00:21:22
Savage Boston
So did Antonio Gibson.
00:21:25
PatsPro
He's much more talented.
00:21:25
Savage Boston
Yeah. And so, yeah, if you just want to use Travion out in the flat and not to mention with Travion, his whole thing was supposed to be as a great pass blocker and he's been abysmal at that.
00:21:34
PatsPro
Just terrible.
00:21:34
Savage Boston
So I don't know. I'm not, they're not saying the, Bust, nothing like that. Like, he needs to figure this out. And I know he's a rookie, but you need to figure this shit out.
00:21:44
Bret
Thank you.
00:21:44
PatsPro
he's ah He's a rookie in his fifth game.
00:21:44
Savage Boston
That's all I'm saying. So, I don't know. All right. why don't you guys go, Brett? Give me your thoughts on Mondray and that whole situation. How do they how do they fix that?
00:21:52
Bret
Well, I mean, unfortunately, there's nothing they can do, and Vrabel's going to continue to ride him, because you're right. I mean, i think it's kind of a feel thing, and they need him. And, I mean, good on Drake to come out afterwards and basically back up his guy, too, right after that, which I think is was expected, but it's just good to see.
00:22:11
Bret
um no they're going to continue to do it. I mean, reports are they're going to bring up Jennings off the... you know practice and pull him up on the roster. I don't know if there's someone else that they could go out there and try and get.
00:22:23
Bret
ah think there's definitely options out there, but I think they're going to continue to go with Ramondre just because, again, when he doesn't fumble the ball, he can be very productive and he's shown that he can be pretty versatile right and and make the right plays.
00:22:40
Bret
And you're right. i think Henderson's frustrating because he's just not... not it Not the flash we expected at this point, but I also think I put a little bit of that on Josh with him just not giving him a ton of opportunities. he's not getting a ton of run out there. And I think, yeah, his pass protection is ah apparently ah a larger issue than we all thought it was that could be limiting his playing time. I'm not sure. But...
00:23:07
Bret
i wish that guy would be getting me getting some more play to go go through and then just real quick you talked on james white i don't know if you guys caught it he did a reply one time a tweet james white did where someone was basically saying like suit up and he did like uh cam newton at cam newton meme or he's like be right there i'm like dude i wish we had like a young james white coming through that door but
00:23:19
Savage Boston
He's like, hmm. Come on back.
00:23:22
PatsPro
yeah
00:23:30
Bret
My guess is they're going to just pull up Jennings. They're going to use him. They're going to keep their internal guys. I don't think they're going to get someone else in trade or off the street. like I just don't think it's happening.
00:23:42
PatsPro
I mean, call Zeke Elliott, for Christ's sake. I mean, just somebody just...
00:23:44
Savage Boston
Yeah. I'm saying that.
00:23:46
PatsPro
i it It's so like, how how do we go into the season thinking that they're running back room was their strong point? What's wrong with us? but how how
00:23:56
Savage Boston
Well, because you didn't expect Drake to throw like this.
00:23:57
PatsPro
Yeah. Well, you also didn't expect for Mondray to just, you know, be on pace to fumble 30 times in ah in a season.
00:23:59
Savage Boston
i mean...
00:24:04
PatsPro
and
00:24:06
Bret
And you thought you'd have more from Henderson.
00:24:06
PatsPro
ah yeah yeah way more from Henderson especially in the passing game like I don't know that I've seen them go empty at all I thought that was going to be kind of like a mainstay for them but they've kind of relied on the the boot actions which I like by the way that that helps a quarterback like Drake but it's the running back room is just so disappointing can we talk about the O-line somehow it's it's better
00:24:31
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah. let's well Well, let's lump there because I know you want to talk about Will Campbell. um And I think Will, you know, to preface this with Will, Will's doing everything you can want from a rookie left tackle.
00:24:36
PatsPro
Yes.
00:24:43
Savage Boston
That's it. Like, that's bar none. He's doing everything you want. He's playing really well. got a great attitude. He's a great leader. He's going to be a mainstay Patriot. Just honestly, he does remind me of like Matt light. I think Matt light is a pretty good comp at this point.
00:24:57
Savage Boston
Uh, even his makeup and physical size is a decent comp to Matt light. Um, maybe he's even a little meaner than Matt light, you know, a little more bully ball. I don't know, but like Matt light was a great tackle for the Patriots for a long time. And I think if he can be Matt light, man, like you're, you're, you're doing awesome. So, um,
00:25:15
Savage Boston
Will Campbell's been great. His pass pro has been way better than people thought, and he's just been really consistent. So I'm loving – the line's been good. i don't know if it's like Doug Marone.
00:25:26
Savage Boston
I don't know you know who you want to give some credit to, just the rookies playing well, but but the line's been great. So pass pro, why don't you go go ahead on ah Will Campbell here.
00:25:35
PatsPro
So I do want to give credit to the three offensive line coaches that they have that are veteran coaches.
00:25:44
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:44
PatsPro
Doug Marone, Jason Hotaling, they call him Hoss. And, you know, I can't remember the third guy, but they're they're all doing great. And I think that just that that was part of the thing that Vrabel really wanted to focus on when he was building the coaching staff was making sure there was multiple guys in the room With veteran presence, and veteran knowledge, that way they could form ah cohesive unit. I mean, at the end of Bill's tenure, it was like, you know, one coach her per room. There wasn't really any assistant coaches, which is weird.
00:26:16
PatsPro
Like ah assistant coaches, there wasn't any like other assistant coaches in the room.
00:26:19
Savage Boston
I can go off on fucking Bill Belichick right now if you want to give 10 minutes on Bill Belichick.
00:26:21
PatsPro
Oh, we we will. I am. i I am willing and able. um But specifically on Will Campbell, this isn't a victory lap. However, here's what I'm going to say. I'm just going to keep it short and and sweet.
00:26:31
Savage Boston
However, here's my victory lap.
00:26:33
PatsPro
but Nope, nope, nope. I'm going to keep it very short and sweet. How many times have you noticed him? Truthfully, how many times in the game have you noticed that Will Campbell's there? Is that not the biggest compliment for an ah offensive lineman?
00:26:45
PatsPro
You don't notice that he's there. And yes, we can all look at the um you know the breakdowns and everything, and what he did against Joey Bosa in this game was truly remarkable, in my opinion.
00:26:46
Savage Boston
No doubt.
00:26:56
PatsPro
There was one rep where Bosa had him dead to rights, and he's just able to pop off his right foot, recover, and then just keep Bosa away and off his timing.
00:27:01
Bret
Excellent.
00:27:07
PatsPro
So that's what I'm going to about Will Campbell. Very impressed. I told you, Savage, you didn't want to believe me, but me and Sunni told you. I'm just saying.
00:27:16
Savage Boston
Yeah, you you guys love the pick. You're into it. And Snooty, you know, we know Snooty is a huge lineman guy. You know, he's Mr.
00:27:24
PatsPro
Massive lineman guy.
00:27:24
Savage Boston
Lineman.
00:27:25
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:27:25
Savage Boston
And, you know, he loves watching line. And I do too. I love i love it. You know, I played line. He played line. You know, maybe Pat's pro played line.
00:27:32
Bret
Mm-hmm.
00:27:33
PatsPro
I played a little line in ah and middle school.
00:27:35
Savage Boston
Everyone loves playing line, you know.
00:27:37
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:27:38
Savage Boston
Um, but yeah, no, I just loved his attitude from day one. I just still like, was like, Hey, I think this kid would be an all pro guard first. And I think he would still be an all pro guard, but, uh, but he's been great.
00:27:48
PatsPro
Don't you don't you even bring that evil.
00:27:51
Savage Boston
He's been fine. I mean, he's, he's been really solid. I have no complaints. I think he's a solid tackle. i'm not saying he's Trent Williams or even Penny Sewell. Like I'm not saying that or Sean, uh, Slater or whatever. Uh, you know, but he's been ah really, really good player. And,
00:28:06
Savage Boston
um I don't think it's on him. I think it's PFF grade actually and stuff. This is why you can't, you really truly can't trust PFF all the time. I know people are starting the backlash and I kind of do like it.
00:28:16
Savage Boston
I like how for while there were like, Oh, look at this PFF grade. Look at this PFF grade. Like I'm happy. We're finally getting a little backlash to this because like his run grade is like not great.
00:28:27
Savage Boston
Well, that's cause they can't run the football.
00:28:29
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:28:29
Savage Boston
Well, it's not just on Will Campbell.
00:28:31
PatsPro
No, it's Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, Garrett Bradbury.
00:28:31
Savage Boston
Like it's running backs. It's on, it's on everyone. ah You know? So I think Will is, He's the 17th ranked lineman in pass pro, I think, according to – or 19th, one of those according to PFF.
00:28:44
Savage Boston
And, up again, out of like 70-some-odd qualified. So that's everything you could ask for. Even all of a sudden, if he was just in the middle of the pack, it'd be a win. And he's he's in the near the top 30% or so.
00:28:55
Savage Boston
So super happy about how he's playing. And and I think he'll just get better. I don't i don't know why. he He's only like 21 or something. he's so young.
00:29:04
PatsPro
he's still going to grow probably a little bit.
00:29:06
Savage Boston
You might even get, yeah, he might even get taller.
00:29:07
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:29:08
Savage Boston
I mean, like, whatever his arms grow and he'll be like, stretch your arms strong.
00:29:09
PatsPro
I mean, ah maybe. but Something. Grow his fingernails out, you know? Just something.
00:29:13
Savage Boston
Yeah, just Wolverine.
00:29:16
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:29:16
Savage Boston
um But yeah, no, he's,
Stefan Diggs' Impactful Game
00:29:19
Savage Boston
he's played great, man. So I think, I think he's done really well. And I, I'd be remiss if we didn't talk quickly about Stefan Diggs, because I mean, it sucks. It takes a half an hour to get into him on a podcast, which is,
00:29:29
PatsPro
It certainly does, but here we are.
00:29:30
Savage Boston
Maybe our fault. Maybe we should have led with digs, but like, holy shit, what a fucking performance.
00:29:35
Bret
Thank you.
00:29:35
Savage Boston
And I mean, like truly ah performance dude, like that dude, supreme hate ah revenge game motivation. He came in and was like, fuck Buffalo.
00:29:47
Savage Boston
Like going to fuck your world up. And he did. And he was outstanding. And he was outstanding after the catch too, which is even more surprising. Like couple of those yaks he had on that was just incredible.
00:29:58
PatsPro
Thank you.
00:29:59
Savage Boston
So, um Yeah, man, why don't you guys give me the thoughts on Stephon Diggs, whoever wants to take that.
00:30:04
Bret
I mean, he was definitely beyond anything we would have expected. It's just like wild and they touched upon it. Like just the fact that the guy coming off the ACL injury, like questions if he would even be ready to go for the season. And now here we are.
00:30:21
Bret
Week five, and he's out there balling his ass off in Buffalo and basically carrying us through the victory and rallying the troops on the sideline, getting everyone jacked up, getting everyone focused. like He's been saying all the right things, doing all the right things in the locker room.
00:30:37
Bret
I know there's some things that are going on outside, right? And you know speculation and rumors, and we'll see what happens with all of that. But like on the field with what you're getting, and again, now this is the second week where he's over 100, but just...
00:30:51
Bret
Putting Buffalo's game just in a box and just looking at just that game, like phenomenal. I would have never in my life imagined that was the production we were going to get from him.
00:31:03
Bret
ah So for him to be able to do what he did, as well as be the leader that he did, like just opens so much up for our offense and just allows our offense to – you know, excel more so than we thought, because you take that in combination with what we're seeing with Drake may, what we're getting out of the offensive line protection and will Campbell and like what he's been able to do left side, just kind of quickly on that one. I think it's a funny juxtaposition that the one snap Vardarian low goes in for, he gets a freaking,
00:31:33
Bret
False start on there. So, like, thank God we have a guy like Will Campbell in there. So, like, across the board, these guys are producing better than I think a lot of us and envision.
00:31:45
Bret
And 100% digs what he did this past Sunday. Like, he just basically said, let's go. And he was there for Drake when he needed him. And it was awesome to watch.
00:31:56
PatsPro
He did that digs bullshit. Like that, that, that dipsy do he does where he turns around after selling it a go route, turns around, catches the ball and then goes towards the opposite side of the field, does his little turnaround and then goes up.
00:32:11
PatsPro
Like he was doing that all night long and I don't know how he does it. I don't think I've ever seen any other wide receiver do that that effectively. And he was, just he was on his bullshit. It's the only way I can put it. He was on, it he was doing his bullshit. He was on his bullshit. I don't, I don't know how a guy, what, uh, 11 months, uh, yeah, 11 months from an ACL can do that.
00:32:34
PatsPro
And he only played 50% of the snaps, by the way, the production he got from playing 50% of the snaps
00:32:37
Savage Boston
Well,
00:32:41
PatsPro
I mean, that's probably, they're probably clocking him to make sure he stays healthy, but my God, ah you find me a more reliable guy on third down, or if you need, you know, five, six yards, I don't think you can find one right now on the team.
00:32:54
Savage Boston
it just reminds me of what he used to do to us. Like I remember playing against Diggs and he would just roast us. And I was like, well, this dude's nasty.
00:33:01
Savage Boston
Like at the time i was like, he's nasty. And now here, like he just, that was beyond vintage, man. Like that was a, a filthy game.
00:33:01
PatsPro
He would do the same shit.
00:33:08
Bret
Thank you.
00:33:10
Savage Boston
Like, I don't know how you get a higher receiving grade than that. Like what he did in that game and helping Drake carry the team. Like that was just, just tremendous stuff from Stefan dig. So, I mean, you know, I think everything pointing up, everything
Patriots' Future Prospects
00:33:25
Savage Boston
pointing up.
00:33:25
Savage Boston
and And again, it's like, we don't want to get too crazy, too crazy ahead of ourselves. Right. But like, yeah, you can look at the schedule and say, hey, you just won in Buffalo.
00:33:40
Savage Boston
You have a really, really weak schedule coming up and a lot of extremely winnable games. It would be hard to imagine at this point that you don't get, again, like this is to me the floor should be eight wins, eight floor, ah and anywhere between that and 11 wins.
00:33:56
Savage Boston
and like If they become a consistent team, and get to like 10, 11 wins, then we're really cooking. I'd say like an area I'm still interested in and like, and I know like maybe the crafts and pass pro can speak to this, but maybe the crafts again are like hesitant to spend any money at this point. Cause they felt like they've spent money, but here's the deal.
00:34:17
Savage Boston
I don't think the crafts for sauce went into Buffalo. Okay. So I'll say that. So if anything's going to change Robert Jonathan craft's mind, of spending. It might be getting a fucking win in Buffalo and watching Drake made, you know, jacked up the crafts are probably right now watching that game.
00:34:34
Savage Boston
They're out of their minds. Okay. So if you tell me you can go get Trey Hendrickson and they say, how much is this to help our team? How much does this improve our team? Like, or you can get, I mean, God forbid like AJ Brown or something, but like, you know, I'm looking, I'm thinking more realistically, like, I know I'm thinking more realistically, like,
00:34:48
PatsPro
don't my my heart My heart can only take so much.
00:34:53
Savage Boston
Trey Hendrickson to me is a perfect trade candidate. I know they want it. We're interested in him before the season. He's on a one-year deal. That team is going in the shitter. Maybe you need to wait three more weeks. if If they're two and six a team, like can you get them out of that roster?
00:35:09
Savage Boston
Can you get them for a lower draft pick, get them off the roster? Because, again, like what does that do for a team? Like that's a fully galvanized. I mean, look, I just read they ah revisited the um Corey Dillon trade today.
00:35:20
Bret
Thank you.
00:35:21
Savage Boston
In 2004, Edelman was talking about it. They traded a second-round pick for Corey Dillon. Now we'd be like, what? Running back? But at the time, that was a big trade, and they were one of the best teams in history in 2004.
00:35:36
Savage Boston
So if you can galvanize a team, get a player like Trey Hendrickson, who I think you have a huge need at the edge, and then to me you'd have the best front four in football you know with Milton Williams, Barmore, Trey Hendrickson, and Harold
Investment in Drake May
00:35:49
Savage Boston
Landry.
00:35:49
Savage Boston
So other than maybe the Cleveland Browns. What's up, Pratsboro?
00:35:52
PatsPro
So the only the only thing I'd say, and just to go back to kind of like the purse strings, as has been said by many people, I always shout out Greg Bedard because he does the exact math on this stuff because he's a sicko.
00:36:02
Bret
Thank you.
00:36:06
PatsPro
um And I really wish he would unblock you just as a side. But um they' they've spent, not including coaches, contracts and everything, this year, about $320 million dollars in actual cash
00:36:11
Savage Boston
You can't spike it.
00:36:19
Savage Boston
Yeah, cash funding, yeah.
00:36:20
PatsPro
So which in cash, they've spent about 60 million over what they had in cap at the beginning of the league year. They're not a team that likes to spend above what the cap is.
00:36:33
PatsPro
Now, is the cap crap? Kind of. Not really, though. Look at the Saints. um So I if there was a need, if they saw, you know, we really have ah an opportunity here.
00:36:45
PatsPro
I think they would. Having said that, they have a lot of big time contracts coming up the next few years, and I think they're going to want to roll over significant sums of money.
00:36:51
Bret
Thank you.
00:36:56
PatsPro
That's just me, though.
00:36:57
Savage Boston
I think that would be a mistake considering that you have Drake on a rookie deal.
00:37:00
PatsPro
Given this opportunity, I think it would be as well. However,
00:37:04
Savage Boston
like you Like you could rocket fuel this right now. And I know I'm just a fan. I'm just a fan. just a fan
00:37:09
PatsPro
some would say the ultimate homer.
00:37:11
Savage Boston
The ultimate homer. But if you could give the rocket fuel right now and you're like, okay, like like let's picture you have a weak schedule and you're three and two and just beat the Bills in Buffalo. 10,000 feet, you're like, oh, fuck.
00:37:23
Savage Boston
We think we really do have the quarterback. like on a rookie deal. This is year two only. You can't even extend him for like two more years. Okay. Legal. Like you can't do that.
00:37:34
Bret
Thank you.
00:37:34
Savage Boston
So I know Gonzo is going to an extension. That doesn't, nothing doesn't matter. It's going to happen anyway. It doesn't matter. They're going to do that no matter what, you know? So like long story short,
00:37:45
Savage Boston
If you can boost this, and again, Trey Hendrickson to me is on a 30-year deal for a one-year. Yeah, he's going to want money to wherever he gets traded to, and you're going tonna have to have pay maybe a two-year deal at a certain amount of guaranteed money.
00:37:58
Savage Boston
But if you want to win Robert Kraft, we figured out now you need talent. It's not enough just to like try to be like, we got a scheme and this net and that. you know When Belichick was here, were like, oh yeah, it's all Belichick when they could do that.
00:38:11
Savage Boston
And then, oh yeah, forget about the all-time greatest player in history running one full side of the football.
00:38:12
Bret
Thank you.
00:38:18
Savage Boston
You know what mean? You need talent to win in some way. You can't just be coaching unless maybe you're Kyle Shanahan figuring out how to make mediocre quarterbacks look amazing.
00:38:28
PatsPro
Don't get me started on Mac Jones.
00:38:29
Savage Boston
No shots, no shots. But um yeah, I think you
00:38:31
PatsPro
No, they're shots and they're deserved.
00:38:33
Savage Boston
You've got to rocket fuel this shit. Right now like rocket fuel. I don't care what you do. Sign people. you know like do Reach in your bag. and it's it's Maybe we'll make Vrabel uncomfortable because he wanted a program build. and this is like He wanted just start slow. and like I feel like Vrabel wanted to have like eight wins or something or seven wins. Be like, oh yeah, we're building. We're building.
00:38:53
Savage Boston
and Now, all sudden, they're like fuck, we've got to go. we Let's win now. so and don't know. That's my...
00:38:59
PatsPro
So a side note of this conversation, Savage Sports, avid lover of NASA and rockets.
00:39:00
Bret
Thank you.
00:39:06
PatsPro
No, just a huge rocket guy.
00:39:06
Savage Boston
Huge Rocket guy.
00:39:07
PatsPro
But no, it's just it's it everything you're saying makes sense, right? It's just yeah you're you're seeing the things. you You need to do the things to make the the things go into the sky. You you need to leave with fuel.
00:39:22
PatsPro
You have fuel. You need to now burn burn that fuel in order to get up into the atmosphere and punch out into space. Everything makes sense. However, what is the NFL? It's a business.
00:39:33
PatsPro
And what do billionaires love to brag about more than anything? How much money they saved on something? It's just, it's the truth. Unless you're Jerry Jones, but then again, he loves to do that too.
00:39:45
PatsPro
But it should the core philosophy of the crafts is running the team on a specific budget.
00:39:46
Bret
Thank
00:39:50
PatsPro
I don't think we can wholly blame Bill for that anymore because it's just so evident. They mention it time and time again. They're a cash to cap team. Should they do it? Yes. Will they do it? My thoughts is they might not.
00:40:03
PatsPro
they They might go grab somebody, but it's probably going to be like a lower tier somebody off of like a practice squad or something.
00:40:08
Savage Boston
you can You can blame Bill a little for that, what i mean and not in a bad way, but because Bill managed that team, he just got paid, had limited resources, especially at the end.
00:40:11
PatsPro
Oh, you can definitely blame Bill a little.
00:40:18
Savage Boston
They had an inadequate coaching staff and analytics staff. They weren't paying anybody, and Kraft enjoyed it.
00:40:23
PatsPro
And they had horrible drafts for 10 years.
00:40:25
Savage Boston
He's like, I'm the best owner in the world. He thought he was the best in the world because he had Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
00:40:28
PatsPro
and look Look at how much money I don't have to spend. And you idiots are you know constantly over the cap. Well, it it turns out when you don't draft good players, bad things happen.
00:40:33
Savage Boston
Yeah, and like other teams were spending – But I mean, here's the deal. He also just sold 8% of equity, which is going to put like a cool $700 plus million dollars in his pocket just meet immediately.
00:40:39
Bret
you
00:40:43
PatsPro
I wonder where that's going to go. I wonder where that's going to go.
00:40:47
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean,
00:40:48
PatsPro
Christian Gonzalez and Drake May.
00:40:50
Savage Boston
may I think honestly, dude, they just – they're seeing opportunity to cash out at a $9 billion dollars valuation. He's probably going to prepare for what, a FIFA? That's coming – know i mean? Like there's stuff he's prepping for.
00:41:02
Savage Boston
But, um you know, the valuations are high. It's hard to say no if private equity wants to come in and and and give make you really, really, really rich, like cash rich.
00:41:10
Bret
you
00:41:10
Savage Boston
Hard to say no to that. But, like, I do think – I think you should have sold it to Tom Brady.
00:41:12
PatsPro
you should say no in my opinion but hey that's a a story for a different day
00:41:16
Savage Boston
But, again, we can talk about, you know –
00:41:18
PatsPro
it makes me so mad
00:41:19
Savage Boston
you really missed that opportunity at Brady be here forever. But I think, I don't know why they would have cheaped out on that and then decided to add, yeah, they fucked up.
00:41:24
PatsPro
Brady be an owner of the team that he won six Super Bowls with? It makes too much sense, but no.
00:41:31
Savage Boston
It's a missed opportunity.
00:41:31
PatsPro
No.
00:41:31
Savage Boston
They missed it by like two years.
00:41:32
PatsPro
Mark Davis in a stupid haircut. Mm-hmm.
00:41:34
Savage Boston
It was a two year miss. So, right. And the efforts of time, cause I don't want these to go too long. Um, but let's throw it. Let's just shift on to just the upcoming game.
Saints Game Predictions
00:41:44
Savage Boston
Still, obviously there's million things to talk about, but upcoming game, uh,
00:41:49
Savage Boston
You know, you're playing the Saints, right, in New Orleans.
00:41:51
Bret
Thank you.
00:41:54
Savage Boston
They've been playing a smidge better. But in all reality, we all know you should win the football game. They're not a talented team. They beat the horrible Giants who are horrible. And, like, their ah offense is bad. Their defense isn't that good either. So, like, honestly, you really need to go down and get momentum and win your third game in a row. So just to do predictions and scores, why don't we go, Brett, you first. Tell me what what do you what do you got? pat Pats or Saints? And what's the score?
00:42:18
Bret
Well, I definitely have the Pats, and I agree. I think this is one where you can't allow ah hangover from Buffalo. You just got to go down there, take care of business early, put them away early, and not look back.
00:42:31
Bret
I don't think we're going to go the same level we went against Carolina, but I still think we're going to be pretty solid down there. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to say twenty eight ten and i think we have them pretty much locked up.
00:42:42
Savage Boston
o
00:42:46
PatsPro
So, I personally, and I'm cutting you off, Savage, I apologize. um But i I think the Patriots win.
00:42:57
PatsPro
I think it's a closer game than a lot of people are making it out to be, just because New Orleans is a weird place to travel to for a lot of teams, and I don't know how this team is going to handle...
00:43:01
Bret
you
00:43:08
PatsPro
Yeah, I don't know how this team's going to handle New Orleans and having free time there. So maybe they get it locked down. Maybe it's just like, hey, do not leave the hotel. I hope it is anyways. But teams play weird New Orleans. Every year it happens.
00:43:21
PatsPro
I still think the Patriots win. I'm going to say...
00:43:26
PatsPro
23, like 15 Patriots, something, something super weird.
00:43:29
Savage Boston
Something weird, low-ish.
00:43:31
PatsPro
Uh, as an aside, I had a buddy tell me with a serious face that Jackson Dart was better than Drake May. And I would now like to take the time to publicly say to him, um, ha ha ha, you're a fucking loser. Ha ha ha.
00:43:47
Savage Boston
Very well said. So I think i agree.
00:43:49
Bret
Thank you.
00:43:51
Savage Boston
lock the Lock the dudes in the hotel.
00:43:53
PatsPro
they they They have to, especially Diggs, especially Diggs.
00:43:53
Savage Boston
Get the – no strip clubs. You've got to stay. that's that's ah that's ah That can be a dangerous city too. like stay like let's let's say let's Let's lock it down and i'll they'll probably have a curfew.
00:44:03
PatsPro
In the hotel, do not leave the lobby.
00:44:06
Savage Boston
only 10 p.m.
00:44:06
PatsPro
Like, don't be an idiot.
00:44:08
Bret
Guys, this isn't the NBA.
00:44:08
Savage Boston
curfew. No even dinner.
00:44:09
Bret
This isn't the NBA. NFL's a little bit more restrictive. They bring him in a little bit better. you know i don't You don't hear too much on the NFL. This isn't the NBA.
00:44:20
PatsPro
Yeah, I don't need James Harden out till 2 a.m.
00:44:20
Savage Boston
No boats. No no boats.
00:44:23
PatsPro
m at a strip club. I don't need to hear that about somebody on the Patriots.
00:44:26
Bret
Tell him the owner, you can send your private jet.
00:44:26
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:28
Bret
I'm staying longer.
00:44:29
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's hilarious.
00:44:30
PatsPro
see Yeah.
00:44:32
Savage Boston
So, yeah, and I'll take the Pats. like i'll say they get I'd say they get 28 points, like a good margin, 28 and maybe 28, 21. We give up more than you want.
00:44:41
Bret
Thank you.
00:44:42
Savage Boston
a cool 28, 21 Pats one.
00:44:42
PatsPro
Do we think Diggs gets his first touchdown this week?
00:44:45
Savage Boston
so
00:44:45
PatsPro
You think Diggs gets his first touchdown this week? He kind of has to, you think, right?
00:44:50
Savage Boston
i don't know You know, I'm not – it's tough to – I'm not like a props guy, like a prop bet guy. You know what mean? Like I don't know. I would say vibes-wise, like I think Drake is solid, like a couple passing touchdowns from Drake. Hopefully he doesn't make any tough picks. But like, you know, you could always see like a sneaky one coming.
00:45:06
Savage Boston
And I'm just looking for like can you run the football and not fumble as like the classic, you know, hard-o football take. But like can you run the ball? Can you hold the rock? Can you not fumble?
00:45:17
Savage Boston
And then play action will be open. It's been open all year. Drake in the passing game, I think it's the only part of the team that has like a positive EPA. Like I looked at a thing today. They have like a 50-plus EPA just passing.
00:45:28
Savage Boston
Every other aspect aspect is like negative. So talk about a carrying the team. you know So you need to really improve your run game is all I'm saying.
00:45:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:45:36
PatsPro
ah old friend of the podcast, Dan Rotman put out that Drake may accounted for something like 85% or 83% of the team's total yards.
00:45:46
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, he's putting the team on his back.
00:45:46
PatsPro
So yeah, is that good?
00:45:48
Savage Boston
I mean, there's no doubt.
00:45:49
PatsPro
I don't know.
00:45:50
Savage Boston
Yeah, is that good? that good stat? All right, we'll hang it up now. um well We'll take it easy. Appreciate you guys tuning in. Pass Pro, don't go anywhere. Let's let the pod upload. All right, peace out, guys.
00:46:02
PatsPro
See ya.
00:46:02
Bret
Peace.