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EPISODE 58 - PATRIOTS DEADLINE. WHAT HAPPENED?
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Post NFL Trade Deadline Reactions
00:00:00
Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We're here tonight.
00:00:03
Snooty
Okay.
00:00:03
Savage Boston
It 8.30 on Tuesday, November And we're coming to you right after the trade deadline has ended. I'm Scott with Savage Boston Sports here with ah Brett, as always, co-host and Snooty Boston on Twitter is back with Savage Boston Sports. We've got the OG crew.
00:00:24
Savage Boston
um I was going to obviously hoping it was a big day, going to say a big day. Like ah it was a big day in terms of like NFL content and um attention. So that was entertaining. But,
00:00:38
Savage Boston
Just to kick it off, obviously the Patriots um did nothing today. Did zero. And ah probably for many, many reasons why they did nothing today, which we can get into.
00:00:51
Savage Boston
um But I would just like to open up with just, I think, a general air of disappointment um that nothing got done. And I didn't expect any sort of wild deal.
00:01:03
Savage Boston
Like that was never, I, I, everyone's like, Oh, you gotta go do get Jalen Waddle, get that. Like never expected a massive deal. We knew that they checked in on a lot of people, but like no one anywhere was like, yeah, they're gonna, you know, they're in the market for an explosive deal.
00:01:19
Savage Boston
Um, But like what was reported is that they were candidates for um you know maybe a lower-level deal. They really needed a running back. There's a leak from Ricky Scoops being like they're getting a running back.
00:01:31
Savage Boston
There's rumors they're in on edge rushers. And um and so so, yeah, ultimately, very very disappointing day.
Patriots' Trade Strategy: Missed Opportunities?
00:01:38
Savage Boston
Very disappointing. So, Sudi, don't you kick it off? What were your thoughts on the trade deadline?
00:01:43
Snooty
mean, it wasn't hugely disappointing for me. i kind of went in expecting.
00:01:46
Savage Boston
Are you on mute right now?
00:01:48
Snooty
No. Can you hear me?
00:01:52
Savage Boston
Oh, maybe you're, sorry, we're gonna have to have like, hold on, hold on, let me pause it. All right, sorry about that, guys. ah Minor audio issues. For some reason, Snooty was on like a five-second delay. Don't know what happened there, so let's try that again. It's always nice to always nice to start a pod with audio issues.
00:02:11
Savage Boston
Snooty, what are your thoughts on the trade deadline? Let's do it
00:02:15
Snooty
All right. ah It wasn't hugely disappointing for me just because I wasn't expecting much to be done.
00:02:18
Bret
Bye.
00:02:23
Snooty
I think a lot of the names were never realistic. And a lot of that is based upon who was selling. It's, the you know, the Jets and the Dolphins were, you know, labeled as two of the big sellers.
00:02:34
Snooty
And obviously those are in division. So you're going to have to pay a premium. I know they were asking for a third for Brees Hall, but I suspect it would have been more. had you had they wanted to trade in, you know, individual, especially to you.
00:02:47
Snooty
um And then I get, there was the report that the Titans, because they're, i don't know, fucking stupid and petty wouldn't trade with the Patriots because of their, don't know, stupid three years ago. So now they're even more stupid now.
00:03:01
Snooty
um And they're, you know, one of the other teams that was going to be one of the sellers. So realistically, it's like, you got to look who's available You also have to balance who you're bringing in as how much of a talent upgrade are they relative to like the shakeup in like the locker room that's going to be because there's a lot of good vibes coming out of locker room.
00:03:19
Snooty
So it's like you in, you know, in a team that's young and still, you know, developing and things like that, like that, that's important, especially when you're trying to build a culture. So you have to weigh that against the yeah potential impact of bringing someone in.
00:03:35
Savage Boston
Yeah. What do you think, Brett?
00:03:37
Bret
Uh, I probably like most fans. I'm pretty pissed off that they did ah nothing. Um, recognize the fact that we weren't going to be on some of the bigger names.
00:03:44
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:03:49
Bret
Like, yeah, it wasn't going to happen. We weren't going on sauce gardener. Like, Two firsts really steep anyway, so I'm glad we wouldn't have gone a player like that. But I think we all agreed that they needed depth and they should have gone after depth and they didn't do it. And then to compound it, we decided to trade any semblance of depth pieces we did have.
00:04:10
Bret
You know, we talked about it on the last few pods about trading away Duggar and trading away Keon White and – how we felt like, well, those were the first in a series of moves and that they were ultimately going to add.
00:04:22
Bret
There was a lot of reports about them wanting to buy, so we wanted to withhold on passing any judgment. Well, here's
Draft Picks vs. Proven Players: What's the Value?
00:04:28
Bret
the judgment. Here we are. And they fucking didn't do anything. So I think it's really fucking stupid that they decided to go ahead and offload Duggar, yet still essentially pay out his contract for what?
00:04:37
Savage Boston
Bye.
00:04:40
Bret
I mean, what is a... What do we get from him a sixth round pick? Like what is that going to really equate to? How many fifth and sixth and seventh round picks are we going to have that are going to amount to essentially very little?
00:04:54
Bret
And we got to be able to make moves to build. I recognized, again, we're not going to get the big heavy hitters, but you can't tell me there weren't depth pieces out there that we couldn't have gone after and we couldn't have pursued for like a fourth or a fifth or sixth.
00:05:10
Bret
Like that's the that's what the trading was going on for a lot of the pieces that we could have potentially pursued. Unfortunately, the reality is when these things all go down, it's hard to know what was in play and what was not.
00:05:24
Bret
We can essentially only evaluate what did get moved here and where we weren't on and on certain guys.
00:05:29
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:05:32
Bret
ah i just I'm just annoyed because it feels like we just offloaded depth pieces from the roster when we didn't need to, and then we decided not to make a move to add anyone other than signing a fucking practice player, Jerry Rice's kid. like I don't know what the fuck that accomplished. So I'm annoyed because I've been beating it all year from the jump, depth, depth, depth, and I don't think we have good enough depth, and I thought we could have done more at the trade deadline, and we didn't do it.
00:06:03
Snooty
Yeah, but I think, like, to that end, what pieces would have been available for, like, a reasonable cost? Like, I'm not paying – like, even a fourth or fifth round pick, like, who's available for that?
00:06:15
Snooty
I think the only one who really got moved in that range was the D-end. I think it was from Tennessee, who, again, reportedly was never going to trade with you, right? Like –
00:06:23
Savage Boston
but that But that's the issue is that it's like they got... I agree. I think the the teams that the teams that you needed players from all didn't want to fucking trade with you.
00:06:33
Snooty
Yeah.
00:06:34
Savage Boston
It'd be cool. like Maybe they should come and say that. Like, hey, Jets fire sale, they weren't going to trade with us. They were bad deals. you know The Dolphins, in-division tax. They weren't going to trade for with us.
00:06:44
Savage Boston
The Titans... For some reason are punishing Mike Vrabel, despite they were the ones that fired Mike Vrabel. Ridiculously stupid story. I had that today from Giardi. I put out that quote and that went big because it such a ridiculously stupid story.
00:06:59
Savage Boston
Like Stonewalling. But it was, what, Dearness? Sorry, Draymond Jones. He was the DN. That was a pretty good player um that went for like – um A fifth rounder that could be a a fourth rounder.
00:07:11
Savage Boston
like That to me is like, that's where they wanted to be today. I thought maybe Arden Key they would do for a fifth or sixth, but again, he's on Tennessee. So I don't know who the next candidate out there was that was a an edge that you wanted that was available.
00:07:27
Savage Boston
I'm not sure. Disappointed they couldn't figure out a way to get it done though.
00:07:30
Snooty
And I think, sorry, I was going to say, trading Keon White, like, the guy was in empty uniform.
00:07:30
Savage Boston
And yeah. No, go for it.
00:07:35
Snooty
Like, he was doing absolute shit here. He was a healthy scratch at the end. I don't care about trading Keon White. That's just a bad draft pick from a few years ago. Like, it is what it is. I've never been on board about trading Duggar, particularly when you don't have tremendous depth at safety. I'll give you Duggar.
00:07:50
Snooty
But Keon White, i'm not goingnna I'm not going to lose sleep about.
00:07:54
Savage Boston
But the disappointment is like – the disappointment to me and everybody and Brat is like, ah you got to be creative.
00:07:54
Snooty
wasn't doing shit here.
00:08:02
Savage Boston
They're the GMs. They're the front office. you And the realization is you're in what I view as a championship window right now. Like this is right now a championship window. You are at the beginning of the window. In their minds, this is year one of ah of ah of a rebuild.
00:08:18
Savage Boston
For me, yeah, you could look at it like that. Sure, it
Championship Window: Is It Closing?
00:08:21
Savage Boston
is year one. It's also a wide-open AFC in year seven and two, and Drake's on a rookie deal. So you have an opportunity to try to improve your roster for lower-round draft picks.
00:08:31
Savage Boston
You need to take it. You need to do it. And I'm not suggesting go trade for Brees Hall. A, they didn't want to trade with you for Brees Hall. B, I didn't love the idea. of i said this online. People get mad, but people get mad about everything. But like I didn't want to trade a third for Brees.
00:08:45
Savage Boston
I don't want to trade a third-round pick for a running back with an expiring contract. because You just drafted a running back at 38 overall. How many resources you giving to fucking running backs?
00:08:57
Savage Boston
like That to me is a really poor use of resources. I understand people want the name. It's just a low-impact position right now. um So, yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. But certainly being creative for an edge rusher would have been really nice.
00:09:10
Savage Boston
Being creative are ideal for a safety ah would have been nice, or even picking up Singletary or like a different running back, someone with later-round pick that you can plug in as a vet. like These things are moves we all, I think, wanted as fans. and i just I don't know if it's just their justification is going like, it just wasn't there, it didn't materialize, like they didn't execute.
00:09:33
Savage Boston
i don't know how they want to defend it, but like that's my disappointment. You're at the beginning of the championship window, and you did nothing. You sat on your ass.
00:09:44
Bret
Yeah. I mean, wait. And again, i get it. We have draft picks we have to build through the draft, but we're also getting a shit ton of like fifth, sixth, seventh round draft picks. Like what is that going to really amount to?
00:09:56
Bret
Those hit rates are so damn low. So, The only logical next thing that we have to hope for is that they then use those picks to move up in the draft, which I'm not all that optimistic they're going to do that either.
00:10:10
Bret
So ah it just it's one of those situations where I look at it and said there were guys that were moved where it's like, well, I don't know. Could we have worked with a guy like Shahid, right? The wide receiver that came out of New Orleans. Could he have fit into our system? I mean, I see Snooty basically shaking his head. No, it wouldn't have worked. But ah all I'm saying is, is you can't say that there wasn't a move out there.
00:10:35
Bret
The fact that it was widely reported that the Pats were going to be buyers, there's going to be more to come. There's going to be this, there's going to be that tells us that they were active. then The one that's going to be interesting was what comes out after the fact is where did they miss?
00:10:50
Bret
How did they miss? Because clearly they're missing on these these guys and they're they're having issues with trading. So is it the situation with Tennessee or is it because Miami and and the Jets don't want to trade in the division?
00:11:04
Bret
Okay, maybe that's the case, which agree is pretty stupid and shitty. But There's other people that got traded in the market um from those three teams, and you could have potentially been in on them.
00:11:17
Bret
I just look at it and say, we're just not committing enough to this year. I'm really hoping we don't get any major injuries because we don't have the depth to weather any of it.
00:11:28
Snooty
See, I guess it comes down to a couple things. It comes down to how you view what are the realistic chances of making a deep playoff run and the benefits of that versus trading some picks. You talk about Shahid.
00:11:39
Snooty
It's not that Shahid couldn't play here because he's fast as fuck and, you know, you can always find a place for someone like that. Cost a fourth and a sixth, which means you're going to have to bid at least that in order did to get him.
00:11:50
Bret
Okay.
00:11:50
Snooty
Or was he a fourth and a fifth? Was he a fourth and fifth and the other guy a fourth and sixth?
00:11:55
Savage Boston
I think it was a fourth and a sixth.
00:11:55
Snooty
Either way, that's...
00:11:55
Bret
he would say He was a fourth and a fifth, which you have multiples of.
00:11:57
Snooty
Fourth and a fifth.
00:12:01
Snooty
But still the reason they have no depth right now is because they missed on all of those picks for so many years. Like the last three drafts, they are like have the big knock on the left. Not maybe not this, this past draft is too early for that, but the the drafts where Drake may and where Christian Gonzalez came in is they go, Oh, it's one player drafts.
00:12:22
Snooty
Even the Barmore draft is a one player draft effectively. Right? Well, The more picks you have in those middle rounds, that's where you build out a team. They're not at a point right now where they can go and just flip a ton of picks just because they have it just to do it for what a one year bump.
00:12:38
Snooty
I'm not even sure she heat, how would she heat would fit into the long-term plans of the team? I mean, obviously he's a very good player, but like if he's looking to get paid some silly money, I don't think he's worth, you know, silly money. There's always a premium you pay when you're trying to trade at the deadline in season.
00:12:52
Snooty
I'm not to me. They're not at the point where they can do that. I mean, look at what the Colts did, and I think the Colts are fucking stupid. Like, they paid an absurd premium to get, you know, to get a player at the the that's a deadline.
00:13:03
Bret
Yeah, no, and i I agree that they were aggressive. I wouldn't have traded two first, but the Colts are in a different position because they have more pieces on their roster that were homegrown players.
00:13:14
Bret
Now, the problem the Colts have is Daniel Jones is their freaking quarterback, and so they're never going to go anywhere with Daniel Jones.
00:13:22
Savage Boston
I'm predicting that.
00:13:23
Bret
It's just not going to happen. The thing that I look at with a guy like Shahid is you go, okay, he's like 26-year-old kid. He's proven that he can be a viable wide receiver.
00:13:33
Bret
We just drafted fucking Kyle Williams, and he can't even make any connection with Drake May. So I look at it, and I say to myself, when you get an opportunity to get a guy that's an NFL-caliber player that has shown that they can compete at this level,
00:13:50
Bret
Yes, go ahead and get that person on your roster because there's so many times that you draft someone in the fifth, sixth, seventh round and they never break a 53-man roster ever.
00:14:02
Bret
And it's like we look at it and we say, no, no, we got to have the choices. We got to have the chances. More bullets in the chamber to try and do it. The success
NFL Trade Dynamics and Roster Building
00:14:10
Bret
rate on those draft picks is so shitty. And the only reason why New Orleans is trying to unload is because they're in a position where they have to fire sale. Whereas us, we're in a position where we're on the uptick and we have the ability to not only get a guy who's 26, who potentially could fit in a system. And I'm not saying like, he's the guy, maybe he doesn't fit the path mold. And that's why we weren't on and on on him.
00:14:33
Bret
I'm just saying, The idea of getting a guy like that for a fifth and a fourth or a sixth or whatever, it's so idiotic to me how protective NFL guys are about their draft picks, their holy draft picks that they fuck up on all the time.
00:14:52
Savage Boston
No, I think that i think that's that's valid. That's a point that needs to be acknowledged is that people do fuck up constantly on late round draft picks. I mean, what is the statistic for hitting on a pick fourth and later?
00:15:04
Bret
yeah
00:15:06
Savage Boston
You know, not like anyone's going to have that off the top of their head, but it's not high. And if you have that pick, you can guarantee a productive asset.
00:15:15
Bret
right.
00:15:15
Savage Boston
Even if it was Jacoby Myers, like not like I wanted a rental, but if booty's hurt and Myers subs in and it's like he's working with McDaniels, whatever, right? So it's like you're just trying to create get creative ways where you can feel like you're adding. And it's more like – As morale booster, you want to feel like you're adding to the roster.
00:15:32
Savage Boston
Who are you adding? are We we're we're believe in the roster. We believe in the team. We're adding value. you know mean? That's what I'm interested in too. like I wanted to see a move to add value.
00:15:42
Savage Boston
So the the locker room even subconsciously says they believe in us. We're adding. We're going for this versus them being like, you know what, guys? were you know This is just year one. It's just year one. Like, I don't want that shit.
00:15:55
Savage Boston
This is win time. You're seven and fucking two. Drake Mays playing out of his ass. He's been excellent. Like, on a rookie deal, it's time to do it. know this offseason might be big too, and Kraft, I'm sure will spend some money.
00:16:08
Savage Boston
He spent this last offseason a lot of cash, although people want to say he's cheap. He spent a lot this last offseason. He's going to probably spend a lot again to make this roster better. But what I want to bring up next is – you know Who really improved?
00:16:20
Savage Boston
Who improved today? like Who ahead of you in the AFC got better? And I think the two most interesting, I mean, there's a lot of interesting things, but two interesting teams that didn't get better at all are the Bills and the Chiefs.
00:16:34
Savage Boston
like That was interesting to me, especially the Bills. I mean, again, it's not like a Bills pod here. If you're a Bills fan, why didn't they get Shahid? I mean, like you couldn't have used Shahid on the Bills with Josh Allen? like I don't get how the Bills didn't find a way, even if it is an overpay for Waddle. That to me, like they're going to look back on this and be like,
00:16:55
Savage Boston
like if they don't If they don't make the Super Bowl again and their window or their talent roster keeps dwindling, like, yeah, they have Josh. like They might look back and be like, why didn't we make a bigger push? Because that whole city if who rides on that team right now.
00:17:10
Savage Boston
So the Bills didn't improve.
00:17:10
Bret
The bills.
00:17:11
Savage Boston
The Chiefs didn't improve. I think the Ravens got that that edge from from Tennessee. They improved a bit, not a ton. And then it was the Colts who improved a lot.
00:17:22
Savage Boston
um So anyway, how do you in in terms of that context, how do you guys feel about teams kind of improving over the Patriots?
00:17:30
Bret
Well, the Bills really don't need to improve on offense. They need to improve on defense. Their defense is where they're struggling the most. Josh Allen's just that good of a player that he's going to make other players look good.
00:17:42
Bret
ah Regarding who got better, i mean, it's hard to say that the c Colts did not improve because a guy like Sauce Gardner coming in, high-talented guy on a defense, coming in on a defense that already is one of the top defenses in the league. So,
00:17:58
Bret
That's going to make that team that much harder. ah I don't think there was anything else substantial beyond that from a tipping standpoint on the AFC side of things. So I'm not too concerned from that end.
00:18:11
Bret
And I mean, hey, it means our we already kind of penciled in Thursday's ah scheduled game against the Jets a W. Now I think we can put a hard pen in that one because that thing is pretty much done.
00:18:20
Savage Boston
yeah Yeah, how's that defense going to playing them on Thursday night?
00:18:23
Bret
or Oh, God, just gutted them. Drake may stack those stats up, kid. But, I mean, I don't think anyone got substantially better in any standpoint other than the Colts. I think everyone else was pretty much right where they were at. And just real quick, because I know you brought it up, the success rate. Why don't you give me a guess? What is the sex sex what is this success rate of players picked in the fifth round that eventually becomes starters?
00:18:53
Bret
um many What's the percentage?
00:18:54
Savage Boston
but In the fifth?
00:18:55
Bret
Fifth round.
00:18:58
Savage Boston
I'm going to say 10%.
00:18:58
Bret
little higher.
00:18:58
Savage Boston
Okay. 5%.
00:18:59
Bret
14.9. Sixth round, what do think it
00:18:59
Savage Boston
I don't
00:19:00
Snooty
I was going to say 13. 4.2.
00:19:05
Bret
six
00:19:05
Savage Boston
know. Yeah,
00:19:06
Bret
sixth round what do you think it is
00:19:08
Savage Boston
five i don't know
00:19:10
Snooty
four point two
00:19:13
Bret
8.7. It's still very, very low. So all I'm getting at is you could have traded for that and look at it and said, well, now I just traded a fifth and a sixth and I had that percentage of a chance of a hit, but now I have 100% guy that's pretty much known he's a starter.
00:19:16
Savage Boston
yeah
00:19:29
Savage Boston
You also have extras in those rounds too.
00:19:30
Bret
Yes.
00:19:32
Savage Boston
like Don't you have like multiple sixes?
00:19:32
Bret
yeah
00:19:33
Savage Boston
like at like
00:19:34
Snooty
have three sixes this year.
00:19:35
Bret
But
00:19:36
Savage Boston
I agree with the philosophy you want to draft and develop. like You need to do that too, and you want the base of players. If everything goes how you want, you want the perfect drafts, and then you want to add those pieces at the right time. like Yeah, we all want the perfect thing.
00:19:48
Savage Boston
The problem is like it's more like seeing an opportunity like you like it's an opportunity. It was an opportunity to add to a roster that is overachieving. Next year is going to be even more difficult because their schedule is not as easy.
00:20:03
Savage Boston
So like next year is going to be challenging, a lot more challenging. So, you know, let's see. Snooty up.
00:20:09
Snooty
But the counterpoint to that is there's a few counterpoints to this whole thing. If May is legit and actually the franchise quarterback, then your fucking windows all will always open, just like with Josh Allen. Right? like So like that.
00:20:21
Snooty
I also hate the argument, and you guys didn't exactly make it, but I've heard it a lot on the radio recently. Oh, well, they just suck at drafting, so who cares about the draft picks? Okay, cool. That means just never fucking draft ever again.
00:20:32
Snooty
like So if the hit rates are that low, then having more shots at picking things, is better, right? Like having more opportunities to try to find someone is better. That's how teams have sustained sustained success and go on runs, right?
00:20:45
Snooty
um
00:20:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:47
Snooty
I also, you have again, you have to weigh like, okay, I get it, you know, six-round pick, but what are you getting in return? Like, and how much better does it really make you on a roster that you just said is overachieving?
00:21:01
Snooty
Right. So like how much do you want to invest in a roster that's overachieving? And it's, it is likely. And I said this from the beginning of the year, they're going to have a worst record next year with a better team. And everyone's going to lose their fucking minds because their schedule is harder. And it's just, it just is what it is.
00:21:16
Snooty
But i'm not saying there's going be a bad team or anything, but like, I don't know if Shahid or any of these other guys you could have gotten for a six puts you over the edge so you can make the Super Bowl or make an AFC championship game type run.
00:21:21
Savage Boston
you
00:21:29
Snooty
i don't Unless you get and some type of injury, which is you know always possible, I don't see how they're going to put you over the edge relative to that.
00:21:36
Bret
well Well, we never predicted that it would put us over the edge. We just were saying you need to continuously look to build. And there were assets that were traded that were assets that you could have potentially added to your roster. Again, not all of them ah understand from a schematic standpoint, right?
00:21:55
Bret
Some guys just wouldn't have fit. The reason why we traded a guy like Duggar is because he didn't fit in our system. Okay. Okay. But there were definitely guys out there that you could have possibly gotten on this team that could have been a depth piece that could have fit into what we're trying to do.
00:22:12
Bret
And you could have gone ahead and found them without having to risk going into the draft and drafting a guy that's not going to even play on the 53-man roster because you missed on their draft.
00:22:23
Bret
So – Yeah, obviously more bullets in the chamber, more chances you have. My view on it is if we pick, which I don't think we would, but we have four sixth round picks right now. We have two fourth round picks right now.
00:22:35
Bret
If we use all of our picks and we pick players, like I'd be annoyed then because I'd be like, why didn't we use those assets to move up into either this like yes year's draft or in future's?
00:22:47
Bret
All I'm saying is they just didn't seem like they were all that aggressive, but we'll see what happens. There was enough reporting out there that was basically telling us that they were they were active.
00:22:58
Bret
So we'll see where they fell short, what falls from this and what we end up learning because there was a lot of a lot of chatter about it. It's hard to imagine we weren't in the conversation.
00:23:09
Snooty
Right, and i think that I think what could have happened, and this is probably what did happen, is yeah, you are looking for another safety or running back or some edge depth, but instead of sending paying that fifth, sixth round pick, people are looking for third, fourth round pick.
00:23:09
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:23:22
Snooty
And then you're like, well, you know, we're not at the point where you can spend a third or fourth round pick on a rental. We're not Philly, who have affected, I know they could extend them, Phillips, but like, they you that's an expensive pick for a rental player, but they're in a position where they can do that. They also have like two third round picks and another one coming for Milton Williams or whatever. But like, you know, we're not in that position at this point.
00:23:43
Snooty
So I think that's kind of what happened.
00:23:47
Savage Boston
Yeah, but Howie Roseman is ahead of the curve with everybody.
Patriots Roster and Season Expectations
00:23:50
Savage Boston
like He wheels deals. He's made an amazing roster. He's going to turn it over. like I feel like he's ahead of what others are doing currently.
00:23:58
Savage Boston
I don't know if I could tell you the Patriots are. How their front office is yet, i don't we don't really know. We'll find out. It seems like the guys they got this year have worked out pretty well so far, even with the, I guess, the limited players that wanted to come here. i think this offseason, you're going to find a lot more interest, which would be really cool. You're going have free agents wanting to play here, and that'll be nice again. Because, again, this like offseason, like you had to go pay like Harold Landry because you don't have other options there. andm not He's obviously not a bad player. Like, he has flashes, and then he disappears for a while, you know? And so and then you had to get, like, chase on on the other edge as, like, a specialist. And so I find interesting. This is on PFF. Like, just how variable the hit rate is in the first round of the NFL draft per position.
00:24:46
Savage Boston
Like, this is interesting. Like, this shows you, like, where maybe you should put your assets if you trade for a player. Maybe that's why you trade for an edge, because – um Edge rushers for day one, for round one, their hit rate is one of the worst, ah is the worst per position. Their hit rate is only 49% in round one.
00:25:07
Savage Boston
That's negative 13% to like the mean versus the number one position hit rate is a tight end in the first round that people are hitting on at 73%. with a plus 14% from the mean.
00:25:20
Savage Boston
So it's like varies per position. Like if you want to be safe, quote unquote, interior line is a 70% hit rate in the first round. Like that you're going to get a pretty decent interior line and you're going hit on, right?
00:25:31
Savage Boston
Cornerback is only 50%, right? So it's like things like this is just why are some things easier or harder to evaluate? And maybe maybe that's how you change your assessment. It's interesting. But but yeah, no, obviously a lot of stuff to touch on with the trade deadline because it is a big deal. And I think...
00:25:47
Savage Boston
The Jets, yeah again, if you're a Jets fan, i don't really know. I don't know where your hope is. I don't know. You know what I mean? like Like, I don't know. Like, for us, we got Drake. Okay, cool. We're building already. We're winning now. its But, like, through that five years of suck, we were trying to find it. Like, where are we going? Like, what's the direction? Like, when you don't have that quarterback and you feel rudderless or you don't have a solid operation – you lose it as a team, you know, and the jets to me, they had a really, ah some elite talent on defense, like elite players.
00:26:20
Bret
Thank you.
00:26:22
Savage Boston
They were good players. And Quinton Williams was a really good player. And, like, they're they just blew it up. And it's like, all right, square one. Now you get a bunch of first-round picks again. Go for it. It's like they just they just cycle forever.
00:26:35
Savage Boston
So, again, not like I don't feel bad for Jets fans. I just – I don't know what – you got to get that owner out. Is that the only way to fix the team, fire the owner? That's going to be the only way because otherwise – where do you get Until you hit the QB, they had Darnold. They let him go. Now he's playing fantastic football.
00:26:53
Savage Boston
Anyway, let's do it.
00:26:53
Snooty
Yeah. I saw something where they were like, when's the last time a team had this many first round picks and like so-and-so and it was the Jets. Like it was like a lot of these players like that they took in the first round.
00:27:02
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just going to do it again.
00:27:04
Snooty
You're like, oh, you got to trade Quentin Williams. Why? Because you get a first round pick who might be Quentin Williams. You know, like it's ah it's like, you know.
00:27:12
Savage Boston
Yeah, and you know, if the Jets are lucky, they'll get Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams again.
00:27:16
Snooty
Yeah. You know, like. And I'm not saying it's a bad move and it's definitely an overpay by the Colts, but like, it's it's just kind of funny. but I mean, that team's going to implode.
00:27:24
Savage Boston
little stupid.
00:27:24
Snooty
Just like, Brees Hall wants out. Like, everybody wants out because they just suck. That team is just going to fucking implode.
00:27:31
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's awful. um So, yeah, i mean, I feel like we should touch on it because we're mostly through the pod, but obviously we haven't really touched on the game from this weekend yet because the trade deadline was more interesting. But, like – um
00:27:44
Snooty
Real football.
00:27:44
Savage Boston
I don't know. i was at the game and obviously a really good first half. And until the game kind of fell apart when Drake had that, that fumble, that tough turnover. And, um you know,
00:27:59
Savage Boston
He's got to, like, not do that stuff at some point. And I know that he's been excellent for a while, but, like, it's those turnovers. Like, they almost lost the game. You'd look back and be like, yeah, that was, like, that was the turning point there. Like, you're taking a sack. He sees the guy.
00:28:12
Savage Boston
He just doesn't protect the football. so And he's taken a lot of sacks. I think he's won the most in football. Not the most. He's taken 34 sacks. And a lot of those are him getting out of the pocket and, like, having, like, a one-yard sack.
00:28:23
Snooty
Yeah.
00:28:24
Savage Boston
You know, they're not all. Like, he's still super mobile. But he takes a lot of sacks. And he has turnover issues. So, um yeah, how did you guys feel about Drake Mays' performance in the game on Sunday?
00:28:35
Bret
Well, I think he followed up one of his best performances with one of his worst performances. ah The good news is we were able to come away with the W. But agreed.
00:28:47
Bret
I mean, not great on that fumble. Looking at the all 22 on the pick, It does look like the pick was more of a miscommunication with, I think it was Hunter, right?
00:28:58
Bret
Going up for that. And he thought he was going to go straight up on the seam and Hunter went out in the slant a little bit.
00:28:59
Snooty
Yeah.
00:29:03
Bret
So that looked like more of a miscommunication than just a Aaron throw. ah But no, those fumbles become a problem. He also scrambled and got like a high-low hit on something where he already got the first down and and should have gone down and slid.
00:29:18
Bret
So there's moments that are going to continue to creep out when it comes to Drake May where you're going to look at it and say, damn, this kid's still young and he's got to learn from this. Otherwise, he's going to have an injury like what just happened to Jaden Daniels this past week, and we can't afford that.
00:29:34
Bret
But on the flip side, you also see him throw like just absolute beautiful passes across the board, like his pass that he had. um Oh, my God. it was a floater to that he hit on the end zone and I'm blanking Douglas pop.
00:29:49
Bret
He hit him over the top and it was just like a perfect thrown ball right in the but basket and got it in there like he just routinely throws those. It seems like every single game. where only his guy can get it, and it's just perfectly placed.
00:30:04
Bret
So he still has those flashes, competes, and obviously, like, continue to roll here. Another game where he's over 100 on QBR, throws over 200 yards, gets two touchdowns, like, continues to win us games. So even on bad days, he's not, like, abysmal, but he does have costly moments, and you're right. That moment that he had at the end of the half was really in a momentum position.
00:30:28
Bret
right before the end of the half was really a momentum killer. It just allowed Atlanta to get back into the game and made it a really competitive tight one that we but kind of got lucky to get away with with a W.
00:30:39
Savage Boston
I'd say that too. People like really are not really appreciating that Atlanta has like a really good pass defense. Really good. They generate a ton of pressure. Pretty good defensive scheme there.
00:30:51
Savage Boston
Ulbrich, I don't know how he's dialing it up, but it's like blitz packages. He's doing something interesting. i mean He definitely confuses people. Drake outperformed how Josh Allen did against the Falcons.
00:31:01
Savage Boston
Um, so I think Atlanta has a really good, fast, good defense with some good young players and an aggressive pass rush. And I think it showed like they got, they got, they studied that tape because like McDaniels and Drake, they got, they had trouble in the second half. They just couldn't put it together.
00:31:17
Savage Boston
And, um, I know booty was out. You don't have your starting running back. And all sudden you kind of see it. You're like, all right, well, if Drake can't elevate everyone, like the team fails, you know, we really rely on him to do it all.
00:31:29
Savage Boston
um And where ah where does Tampa Bay – I mean, how does Tampa Bay rank? Middle of the pack, their pass defense? I mean, it's not nearly as good as Atlanta. so
00:31:37
Snooty
No, it's not new. They're not nearly as good defensively as, as the, quite frankly, the last two teams you played. um I think this game was, was, it's really interesting.
00:31:47
Snooty
there's two ways you could spin this, this game. It's either like, if that's Drake Mays worst performance, like you're, you're in really fucking good shape.
00:31:55
Savage Boston
You're all right.
00:31:56
Snooty
Cause like, it wasn't a bad game overall.
00:31:57
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:59
Snooty
i mean, it wasn't great, but it also wasn't like,
00:31:59
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:32:02
Snooty
You know, it wasn't horrible. So, I mean, in some sense, it's like, look, you they didn't play. They weren't on top of their game. That's going to happen, especially with a team that's, you know, everything that we've talked about. And they still found a way to win.
00:32:14
Snooty
Right. But on the other side, you can kind of look and go. You can see where the cracks are and when they're where their ceiling is based upon their personnel and stuff. Like, is the O-line good enough for them to really make like a deep playoff run?
00:32:27
Snooty
Right. Because that's not like the most talented D-line that they're going to play. ever. Right. And like they, do you know, there was a lot of pressure. I'm not even the sack numbers. Sacks can be deceiving. Some of that's on the quarterback. Some it's not, I'm worried about like the pressure figures, which are not good either.
00:32:42
Snooty
um
00:32:42
Savage Boston
the Yeah.
00:32:43
Snooty
So it's, it's like, you can look at it and say like, all right, look, you just saw where their ceiling is, which is like, if Drake may is not lights out, like, if the old line has a bad day, like you're fucked. Right. But, but by the same token, like they weren't great and they still found a way to win. And that's valuable. They lose this game the last two years.
00:33:01
Snooty
they They're a team that needs to learn.
00:33:02
Savage Boston
Oh, no question.
00:33:03
Snooty
They're learning how to win. And they figured out a way to win. It was ugly. It was gross. it was by the skin of their teeth.
Defensive Struggles and Future Strategies
00:33:09
Snooty
And it's largely thank thanks to the kicker that that I said this at the time, that they should have cut for Boragallis.
00:33:15
Snooty
But like, you know, I did.
00:33:18
Savage Boston
That worked out.
00:33:18
Snooty
They did. I said it at the time.
00:33:19
Savage Boston
Secret agent. He's a double agent. Parker Romo.
00:33:21
Snooty
um But like, but you know what i mean?
00:33:23
Savage Boston
Champion.
00:33:23
Snooty
Like that, that's good that you need to win gritty, ugly games like that in like to get it into the psyche of like, you know you got to keep grinding. You got to keep pushing. You got to push through adversity. That's a good thing for this team to go through.
00:33:36
Savage Boston
Yeah. I mean...
00:33:37
Bret
Well, i we talked about it, though. The Falcons, they're definitely Jekyll and Hyde, right? There's still a lot of talent. So felt like the defense was going to give us fits at times. And you're right. I mean, theyre they were statistically one of the better defenses.
00:33:51
Bret
And we just went through the last two defenses, which were some of the better defenses in the league. The good news is we scored 24 points on them, ah and we were able score over 30 against Cleveland.
00:34:02
Bret
So that really helps us. The thing that was different between Cleveland and Atlanta is –
00:34:04
Savage Boston
Sure.
00:34:07
Bret
they do have some talent on the offensive side of the ball. So they gave us fits.
00:34:10
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:34:11
Bret
I think it exposed some of the areas on our defensive side of the game, especially when we lost Gonzo for a period of time. So that's still, to me, the most concerning is our defensive end.
00:34:22
Bret
I think our offense has proven that even though there's – Pressure issues when it comes to the offensive line. They're still a little inconsistent with running the ball. Drake still has moments where he you know makes dumb decisions and turn the ball over, etc.
00:34:38
Bret
Our offense is still able to produce at a very high rate. Our issue as a team right now is defensively, and we just get into pockets where it's like we cannot get off the field, and we allow way too much on a passing side. Rushing side, we're still doing really well. Passing defense, not good.
00:34:54
Savage Boston
yeah I just want to throw out a like a compliment to Drake London and Bajon Robinson. i mean First of all, Drake London, in person, absolute stud.
00:35:06
Savage Boston
I'm sure on TV too you saw it, but not only is he huge, but he was he was dominant in this game. and One of the better receivers I've seen in a long time against the Patriots. I don't know, all year? i mean like Who's been better against the Patriots this year than Drake London?
00:35:21
Savage Boston
He was outstanding in that game. And then Bijan with a couple excellent – like they so many outstanding efforts because Penix is like to me like me like pretty mid. I wouldn't love Penix in that game, but like between a couple of those players, like like especially drink like Drake – Drake was ridiculous.
00:35:37
Savage Boston
And, you know, they had him on Marcus Jones. You're like, I know that that's like um the way the Patriots system works for for when they're in like some sort of man. They push down to the next guy. You either make it look like zone, but you're still in man. But then teams now know to motion them inside so that you get Drake London on a slot corner.
00:35:56
Savage Boston
So it's like, okay, back to the drawing board on that one. Like, because you just can't have that happen. So, Snooty, what?
00:36:02
Snooty
I was going to say, like, that part, like, schematically, they used him appropriately. They got him on, you know, 6-4 against 5-8, like, you know, 5-9, whatever Marcus Jones is.
00:36:10
Savage Boston
yeah It was ridiculous.
00:36:11
Snooty
Like, you know, you're not – 5-8, 5-9 is not going to win that very often.
00:36:15
Savage Boston
No.
00:36:15
Snooty
And so it's like that's one thing that ah I'd like to see them adjust, the Patriots adjust going adjust to going forward that, like, no, no, no. Like, if you ever – yeah, you mean?
00:36:23
Savage Boston
That's a pure scheme. That's pure scheme.
00:36:24
Snooty
Like, they – but they have to – you know, clearly they're going to target Marcus Jones with that, and that makes sense, and you have to expect that. And you have to be able to, you know, account for that. So the next time you see something like that, that maybe don't switch your fucking all pro corner.
00:36:38
Snooty
Because Gonzalez did okay against Drake London. You know, the one long going towards the end. But like, he did okay against Drake London.
00:36:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:36:45
Snooty
It was everybody else that can't fuck.
00:36:47
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:36:47
Snooty
Because he's a beast. You know, no one else could could fucking cover him.
00:36:48
Savage Boston
Well, yeah, it was good. Well, I mean, you know, we'll see how this week goes. You're not going to be outstanding every game. They're not going to crush it every game. No no quarterback in the league right now.
00:37:00
Savage Boston
plays that well every game. Drake has still been one of the best QBs in football, but like against the number one pass defense, that's a tough game. And like, they did stall out in the second half, just maybe in the future, they have some things they can dial up to get them going or change something. You know, I don't know what they can do, but obviously you get to in the future, change something a little bit.
00:37:19
Savage Boston
um Pivoting now to just tent to the Tampa Bay game,
Upcoming Game Against Tampa Bay: Predictions
00:37:23
Savage Boston
you know, on the road, you know, make it a little tougher, but like, I don't like, why why can't the Patriots win this game?
00:37:30
Savage Boston
Like, you really think they're – are they going to give up 30 points and and get shredded by Baker? You what mean? Like, why can't – is Godwin playing? Is he out? You know, like, Evans is out.
00:37:41
Savage Boston
Yeah, I know they have Vigbuka and another good young wide receiver. So, like, why can't why can't the Patriots beat Tampa Bay in this game?
00:37:51
Bret
I mean, they can.
00:37:51
Savage Boston
Who wants to take that?
00:37:51
Snooty
they can They can.
00:37:53
Bret
They're slight dogs. They're 2.5 point dogs, which pretty much just is the home field advantage.
00:37:56
Snooty
not
00:37:59
Savage Boston
what's the What's the spread?
00:38:02
Bret
2.5, which is basically box home field advantage.
00:38:02
Savage Boston
Yeah, goal. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:05
Bret
so neutral playing ground, that's a wash. ah So
00:38:08
Savage Boston
yeah
00:38:09
Bret
I think it's going to be a tough matchup for sure. i mean, the the biggest thing with the Bucs is obviously what they're going to do about ah Mayfield because that guy just knows how to ball.
00:38:20
Bret
ah But, yeah, from a defensive side of things, it should be a little bit easier for our offense. Their defense isn't as good as the last two defenses we just played. So we should be able to move the ball.
00:38:30
Bret
We'll see what happens. It doesn't look like Ramondre is going to be out there.
00:38:32
Snooty
just
00:38:34
Bret
I think – not having booty out there, those two things are going to hurt us. So that's going to make it really difficult. Like how can we manage through that? Because it it showed when booty went down we didn't have a true X out there, like it made the field tighter.
00:38:50
Bret
And then Ramondre being out there not only for running, which I thought Henderson did okay with from a running standpoint this past game, it's really the pass pro. And Henderson continuously struggles there, whereas Ramondre has been able to be a proven guy there. So we'll see. i think how our offense can weather those storms is going to be the test.
00:39:12
Bret
And then from a defensive side of things, can we just make enough stops? to be able to give our offense a chance to put up some more points. Again, I think this is going to be another high scoring game where both teams get into the twenties and we'll see how much we can get in on them, but it's, it's going to be a test away game.
00:39:33
Bret
ah So we'll see. I mean, I think we win this game. We'll win Thursday. i mean, nine and two going into the buys, not, not too bad, but this could be a, this could be a slip up game. I wouldn't be surprised if this one went, went to the box.
00:39:49
Savage Boston
Yeah, that's fair.
00:39:49
Snooty
i i think ah i mean I think they can win. I don't think there's any real reason why they can't. um They just need to be on top of their game. Mayfield is probably going to cause them fits because he can move and they you know lack athleticism at the linebacker spot, but it's going to be a big it sounds silly but it's go to be a big D-line game.
00:40:11
Snooty
um Keeping Baker Mayfield in the pocket, but also getting pressure on him. like It's going to be a big Big on the ends to to not rush all the way upfield. um And it's going to be, you need the the interior three, four, whatever it is, D-tackles that they rotate to get pressure up the middle.
00:40:27
Snooty
That's how you're going to get this offense. That's how you slow down that offense. And the Bucs have a good O-line. so
00:40:33
Savage Boston
And I really wish they picked up a fucking edge rusher today. i'm still mad about it. They really needed some help there. um Yeah, all right. So what are we doing score-wise? um I'm saying to Oh.
00:40:48
Savage Boston
pats three point one
00:40:52
Savage Boston
but you guys thank
00:40:53
Snooty
I was about to say 31-28, Pats, but with a late field before Gallus.
00:40:56
Savage Boston
oh
00:40:59
Snooty
But I'll stick with that. Fuck it.
00:41:02
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:41:04
Bret
27-24, Pats. Yeah,
00:41:07
Savage Boston
So I'll just go extremely similar scores.
00:41:10
Bret
yeah I mean, I think we're all on the point with three-point spread. To be fair, we've been barely accurate with our predictions so far.
00:41:18
Savage Boston
I think this last weekend we we all like underestimated Atlanta for whatever, which we would have been on the target.
00:41:23
Bret
No, I said it was going to be within a touchdown. Like I said, I think I said, I think I said 28-21.
00:41:27
Savage Boston
Did you? I said like 27-17 something.
00:41:32
Bret
I said it was going to be a test. Again, I said Atlanta's got talent. I mean, they're just, can they put it all together consistently? No, which is why their record is what it is. But, They can put up fits. They did it against Buffalo.
00:41:45
Bret
So I do have a little bit of optimism that we're going to contain the Bucs a little bit more because, yeah, I think Baker midfield ah is going to be a challenge and their offensive line is good. But we've also been able to prove that we can hold some offenses. I mean, again, Atlanta, lot of good talent there, 23 points.
00:42:04
Bret
I mean, we played Buffalo, one of the highest scoring teams in the league, held them to down on 20 points. So, While our team on defense frustrates us, we typically hold teams into like the low 20s.
00:42:17
Bret
with With the way our offense is playing, it's enough to win.
00:42:17
Savage Boston
Yeah,
00:42:20
Bret
So that's why I'm comfortable saying 27-24 and where it's going to go. I don't think we let up more than 24.
00:42:28
Savage Boston
that's fair. Well, we'll see how it goes. i think it'll be and think should be a good game. I don't see why you can't compete and be close and if not win. you know i mean like Especially yeah if the offense decides to come to play and Tampa can't shut them down, then you know, should be win. And then after this, it's like, you know, Jets and Giants and couple other matchups that aren't favorable for the opponents. So the schedule this year is a real, it's a real talking point. I'm not saying it's like demerit. They don't get demerits for the schedule. It's it's just is easier. Like they, you know, and then they're earning these wins, but like, yeah, I think, you know, leading next year, hopefully have more talent, but like this is an easy schedule. So like, I wouldn't, you know, it is what it is.
00:43:13
Snooty
i mean I mean, I'll tell you what, though. That Panthers win looks more and more impressive.
00:43:17
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah, they smashed the Panthers too.
00:43:18
Snooty
I mean, you you fucking thrash the Panthers. And the Panthers are 4-4.
00:43:21
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:43:22
Snooty
They're 500 right now.
00:43:24
Savage Boston
They're feisty. No, they're they're five and four The same record as the Chiefs.
00:43:24
Snooty
5-4.
00:43:28
Savage Boston
Same record as the Chiefs.
00:43:28
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, like and they just, they clipped the Packers. They beat somebody else, too.
00:43:33
Savage Boston
the do you know what you the Chiefs have coming up to play?
00:43:33
Snooty
I mean, yeah, they have a tough, tough road.
00:43:37
Savage Boston
Like, they're five and four This shit's no joke for them, dude. It's a bye week this week for them. But after the bye week... They go right Broncos who are really good and their defense is really good.
00:43:47
Snooty
Broncos twice.
00:43:50
Savage Boston
And then the Colts. So you go Broncos, Colts, then Cowboys, um which again, Cowboys kind of suck. Then Texans who have a really, really good defense.
00:44:01
Savage Boston
Really good. um Then Chargers. Then the Titans who suck. But then Broncos again, like, and then Raiders. So I don't know There's a few, like, just saying, like, there's a possibility the Chiefs are either like the seven seed,
00:44:16
Savage Boston
ah Maybe playing you, maybe playing the Bills at Buffalo first round, or maybe the Chiefs are out of the playoffs even potentially. Like, I'm not sure how that's going to play out. Like, they'd have to lose, ah what, three of those games? have seven If they get, no, they'd have to be, what, like 9-8, something like that, to probably miss the playoffs. They're going to end up logistically maybe at like the 7-seed, something like that.
00:44:39
Snooty
They'll make the playoffs because they'll beat the Colts. The Colts, I don't believe in the Colts. I'm just not a believer. because It's because of Daniel Jones.
00:44:45
Savage Boston
I don't know, dude.
00:44:46
Snooty
It's because of Daniel.
00:44:47
Savage Boston
If you've got a beast rushing offense, like you have a really good line and you just pound the rock at people and demoralize them, like that shit's hard. That's like old school Pat stuff. Like when you just like pound the rock and have an aggressive defense, like that's frustraing that's like what the Chiefs do.
00:45:00
Snooty
Yeah, but...
00:45:02
Savage Boston
It's like a frustrating defense to play, you know, frustrating team to play against.
00:45:02
Snooty
Yeah. Leap. But you also need a quarterback who can be big in big spots, and Daniel Jones throughout his career has has proven to be the exact opposite of that. they'll split with the They'll split with the Broncos.
00:45:12
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:45:14
Snooty
The only games I could really like fear them losing in that process would be either or both of the Broncos and then the Chargers. Maybe the Colts. Other than that, like, well, sucks.
00:45:26
Savage Boston
Dude, Broncos, I'm not messing with the Broncos, dude. I'm not messing with them. I don't believe in Bo Nix, really. i think he's okay. I don't believe in him to elevate you. Their defense is sick.
00:45:37
Savage Boston
Their coaching is very, very good. That's a tough team, regardless. And now they end up there 7-2 now.
00:45:40
Snooty
um do
00:45:42
Savage Boston
You're like, ugh.
00:45:43
Snooty
I believe in the Broncos more than the Colts.
00:45:46
Savage Boston
I think the Broncos are a legitimate team. That to me, that's a legit team. like They could sneak into the AFC Championship easily this year. like that's a tough That's a tough team. ah The c Colts are kind of like an enigma. Like if Daniel Jones turned it over like five times this past week, you know what I mean? Like I don't know how the Colts turn out, but I do think the Broncos are a legitimate team.
00:46:06
Savage Boston
So, all right, we're going end it now it don't go on forever. We'll see you guys next week and hopefully hopefully you get like a seven-game win streak or something. We'll we'll see.
00:46:16
Savage Boston
So take it easy.
00:46:18
Bret
Peace.
00:46:19
Snooty
Yep.