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Clone Watch - Episode 11
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Daryl, Nick, & Lauren are back, discussing the next episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Along the way, they pinpoint exactly what killed Star Wars. This time. (/end sarcasm)
- 00:00 Introduction
- 04:44 Sphere of Influence
- 24:43 Evil Plans
- 36:20 Hostage Crisis
- 46:09 The Hunt for Ziro
To follow along with your viewing, you can find the Clone Wars chronological viewing list at:
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:10
Speaker
Casual Nerdity is a podcast celebrating and discussing pop culture that we love. Movies, TVs, comics, books, games, you name it. Our aim is to talk about the good, what worked, and yeah, sometimes what didn't.
00:00:22
Speaker
All with an eye towards its building up, not tearing down. Thanks for joining us.
00:00:30
Speaker
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Casual Nerdity Clone Watch. As always, I'm Daryl. I'm Lauren.
00:00:42
Speaker
and you're And you're talking over one another. Oh boy! I'm Nick. And I'm Lauren.
Recent Activities and Conventions
00:00:52
Speaker
And we're going to be going over a another few episodes of Clone Wars in Lauren's first watch, but in the meantime, how have the two of you been?
00:01:04
Speaker
In the 24 hours since I last saw you. oh you know, been been getting ready for ah events that are coming up in the imminent future. yeah We will, as we're recording this, we're prepping for Gamer Nation Con.
00:01:23
Speaker
That is the last half of this week. ah When this episode drops, it will have ended just a few days before. But there's some fun and shenanigans that are going to be had with tabletop gaming.
00:01:39
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And it is an awesome thing. and you can find out more about that on our sister podcast. How We Roll Gaming.
00:01:50
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00:02:01
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Challenges of Clone Wars Episodes
00:02:07
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But... To be the algorithm. Yeah. The algorithm beast.
00:02:14
Speaker
I consider it a dragon. it it hoards things. So, I'm gonna be up front with the two of you before we even get down to telling everybody what episodes we're gonna be going over this time.
00:02:29
Speaker
the these four episodes were kind of a chore for me to get through. I do not have much of substance to say on them. So the two of you are going to be doing some heavy lifting.
00:02:41
Speaker
Well, don't worry. part of the episodes One of the episodes is about droids. So I've got it. ah Right on. Right on. i can't promise anything about the other episodes, but I got that one. oh We got we got you got a lot of your regular regal house you like. We got droids. We got aliens. We got different things going on.
00:03:01
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We got cameos. Cad Bane.
00:03:07
Speaker
all right. So this episode, we're going to be talking about Sphere of Influence, which is season three, episode four. Evil Plans, season three, episode eight.
00:03:18
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Hostage Crisis Season 1, Episode 22. Finally finished 1! yeah And The Hunt for Zero, Season 3, Episode 9. Now that Season 1 is because we are watching Clone Wars. And we are watching it because...
00:03:36
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This is Lauren's first time watching Clone Wars. Indeed. And we want to do it right. In chronological order. No, we we wanted to do it right, but you made us do it in chronological order.
00:03:47
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so Insert ah angry Daryl grumbling here.
Pantora Crisis and Ahsoka's Mission
00:03:53
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Yes, and there will be more angry Daryl grumbling later on. um for all of eternity yes anyone that wants to follow along in our chronological rewatch we didn't including the official starwars.com page that has a full chronological listing yes there will be a link in the show notes so let let's get right to this shall we because howie i want to have some dinner all righty then um
00:04:21
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ah dinner was more fun for me than most of these episodes were not not to say that they're bad they just didn't grab me oh i would say that they weren't i remember them being a lot more catchy in in my first watch ever but they're not bad we get to those later but we start off with sphere of influence season three episode four The official logline is Ahsoka Tano leads a search for the Pantoran chairman's family.
00:04:52
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Yes, and as we start off, Pantora is getting wrecked! And the Trade Federation is neutral. There's some heavy air quotes going on there that you can't see in audio. Yeah. But Senator Choochie is back.
00:05:10
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We like Senator Choochie. She is a good. and fun fact, she and her family were originally portrayed by George Lucas' family in Revenge of the Sith. Well, Choochie's not part of the family, is she?
00:05:30
Speaker
Yes, she is. Oh, no, she's a senator. Yeah. Yeah, Choochie's not part of the family. The family is Papa Noidia, his daughters Chi and Che, and and what what's his son's name again?
00:05:49
Speaker
it's down there in the notes, and I can't be bothered to look. Yeah. it and yeah lawn Yeah. um But as, after Chuchi comes in, they start talking, and What's interesting is they mentioned the Commerce Treaty of 1647.
Star Wars Timeline Discussion
00:06:09
Speaker
So Nick, I'm turning to you and your encyclopedic knowledge of all things Star Wars minutiae, is this the first and only time we've heard a specific year given in Star Wars, even if there's no context to it? 1647 according to what?
00:06:30
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Specifically, you're correct. This is the first official year um without an era or the thousand years of the Republic's establishment.
00:06:45
Speaker
But yeah, like this is the only like year. like We're recording this in 2025. This is the only reference to the current year in in Star Wars. Or in a year titled.
00:07:03
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Without an era complement or some sort of thousand years in years or millennia type kind feeling.
00:07:16
Speaker
That only becomes more common as we get into the Clone Wars and the subsequent 30 or 40 years that take up the Skywalker saga.
00:07:26
Speaker
Right. and And I do want to note here that Nick started to mention it, Lauren, that Baron Papanoidia was in one of the movies, was a cameo in Revenge of the Sith.
00:07:41
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was a cameo by George Lucas. Yes. They convinced him to you put on blue makeup and stand there at the opera house. And his daughters were played by his daughters.
00:07:53
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Right. um Also, blue makeup, all of that. And yeah to this day, I'm disappointed that the Baron doesn't sound like George Lucas. Yes, that but would have made sense.
00:08:06
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Honestly, it would have been easy enough to pop him into booth. Or even if it wasn't George Lucas himself doing the performance, just someone doing a George Lucas impression.
00:08:23
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I'm still disappointed at that. But we get the plot really rolling when his daughters are kidnapped. Yes, by a darkness assassin.
00:08:35
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i don't remember why I wrote it as darkness assassin.
Character Highlights: Anakin, Ahsoka, and Greedo
00:08:38
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Because it was in the darkness and we couldn't see them because it would be a big reveal of who the actual perpetrator was. Yes, they have not done that reveal as of yet in the episode.
00:08:50
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And so the the kidnapping is, of course, you a a big crisis that the Republic is going to have to deal with. And we we then cut to Anakin and Padme talking about stuff. And I love this. I had to pull the clip because this is Anakin's idea of flirting with Padme.
00:09:12
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I don't like the situation on Pantora one bit. It reminds me far too much of Naboo's Unscarred History. Well, that blockade wasn't that bad. It's the reason I met you, after all.
00:09:25
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You certainly have a unique way of looking at things, Annie. Senator Amidala. Yeah, it's like, there's there's a genocide going on. Yeah, but remember the genocide where I met you?
00:09:37
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Although Anakin is making it weirder despite the ace difference being and in Padme's... in Padme's worst favor, is somehow just a testament to Anakin's negative, as the kids say, riz.
00:09:53
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Yes, yes. his He might be one with the Force, but he is not one with the riz. Now, unfortunately, i must, you know, facepalm myself and say that this is probably my level of flirting.
00:10:06
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. yeah We know your wife. you You couldn't have had... She could not have been swayed by this. No. You might have to be better than this. Well, i shes she's she's the one that began flirting with me.
00:10:21
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Ah, I see. i see. So, yeah. i ah But, to my credit, no genocides. Yes, that that's ah that's definitely a positive for any relationship. I have not killed them all.
00:10:35
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no Not just the men, but the women and the children. I don't think your wife would have been turned on by that. You don't know. It worked it worked with Padme.
00:10:48
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Wait, does this mean that if I commit a genocide, I have a chance with Natalie Portman? I hope not. can Can I put her on my exception list if this will work?
00:11:01
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I think that you'd also be put on the hit list by your wife. Yeah. Not if I share.
00:11:11
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So in any case, after the kidnapping happens, Ahsoka wants to go save her friends, but Anakin, he can't help with this mission. Right, he brushes off the Jedi investigating the kidnapping, and then he sends Ahsoka.
00:11:27
Speaker
Mm-hmm. like, I'm not investigating. The Jedi can't get involved. This is a job for the local police. I'm not so sure local authorities can handle it. The Separatists are putting a lot of pressure on Pantor to join them.
00:11:40
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I'm afraid this blockade may give the Pantorans no other choice. Master, if the Jedi can't officially get involved, let me do this on my own. Senator Chuchi is a good friend of mine.
00:11:51
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Alright. With the Separatists involved, I guess it gives you cause to investigate. Go help Senator Chuchi, but don't get in the way of the local authorities. Aren't you going to help? I said the situation gives you cause to investigate, not us.
00:12:05
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I need to go back to the Jedi Temple and make sure the Council doesn't find out about your little expedition. Should you really proceed without the Council's approval? We do it all the time, don't we Snips? Yep.
00:12:16
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Well, be careful, Ahsoka. I still can't believe they let you teach.
00:12:22
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And that reminds me. There's so much scene. and yeah that That line has always reminded me of there there was a run on the Astonishing X-Men comic by the written by the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer whose name we no longer invoke.
00:12:42
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And Kitty Pryde has returned to to the team and the team or the the school is functioning as a full-blown school for mutants and has a student body of hundreds.
00:12:56
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And the White Queen, a former villain of the Hellfire Club, has joined the X-Men. And the X-Men are having this discussion about an argument that broke out. The White Queen's like, yes, this argument broke out in my ethics class.
00:13:12
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And Kitty's like, I don't believe it. She's like, yes, you know this argument breaking out, this fight breaking out between the students was horrible. No, no, no. I can't believe that you teach ethics.
00:13:24
Speaker
Well, that's honestly most of the X-Men. This is true. But also, like... yeah Yes, the... As someone that's been watching this with me as your first person, you remember the incredible deep f friendship between Senator Tsutsi and Ahsoka Tano.
00:13:43
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, totally. Famous friends. Uh-huh. They've totally been on screen together before... this moment. ah Absolutely. Definitely. Totally. Absolutely. Great friends.
00:13:54
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Great, great friends. But then we find out that it's Greedo. Yes. The kidnapper is Greedo. It's him. So we have small galaxy syndrome,
00:14:10
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small galaxy syndrome. And which kind of was a, is it just a foul argument for a bit of season two? hmm. And with Greedo involved, that means that apparently Jabba is all involved.
00:14:27
Speaker
So, oh boy we're off Tatooine. Oh boy. know, this is what it said during our most recent Clone Watsa episodes. But yes, this is when we re first, in the series, go back to Tatooine.
00:14:45
Speaker
Yeah, and Anakin isn't with her. And let me just remind everyone that, you granted we aren't there in the timeline yet, but the very first movie, Star Wars, 1977, Tatooine is a backwater and it's no place important.
00:15:03
Speaker
If there's a bright center to the universe, it's the planet that it's farthest from. Mm-hmm. Both literally and figuratively and literally in the actual, like, physical galaxy.
00:15:16
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Yet everybody ends up going to Tatooine. Now, honestly, it's never for a good reason. Yeah, but still.
00:15:29
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ah So they they're heading off to... Ahsoka heads off to Tatooine. And whenever she arrives, she is looking intimidating in that cloak of hers.
00:15:42
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And... The thing that I'm most excited about is that... Radha the Hutt is there! Stinky! Punky Muffin. Mm-hmm.
00:15:55
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I don't remember who Radha is. Jabba's Jabba's son. Right, yeah. That was kidnapped in the movie. Yeah, yeah, him. He exists.
00:16:06
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Yes. He has a... Like, slight bit of presence. Yes. but But he's cute. He's Punky Muffin. Mm-hmm. and I love the guy.
00:16:17
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He's great. And meanwhile, ah George Lucas knows how to deal with the underground as he's trying to save his daughters himself. Oh, yeah. Like, partially, that's why I kind of wish it was.
00:16:29
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At least, I know that you would be okay with a just a George Lucas cameo. But no, just have the whole George Lucas family in here for this scene. see This would be fun. Mm-hmm.
00:16:40
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Yeah, he takes his son and they go into the bar and they start they start shooting people eventually. Yeah. it's i'd so That's another reason why I wish it was George or at least sounded like George. Well, that's why I was like, no, they get a whole family affair because his daughters did work on some episodes coming up in the future.
00:17:01
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Well, and and one of his daughters has a connection with a character we're going to be talking about a little later.
00:17:11
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And his son has also been it been in the same episode three. but So, like, this could have been a fun, like, family affair. Mm-hmm. Let's see here. So then there's also a scene where Ahsoka rescues ah the daughters, I believe, and then she has to do some advanced stealthing with the Force.
00:17:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah gee she does this advanced stealthing by doing the mind trick for the first time. thought, wait, is that the mind trick moment? I thought it was the force push moment where she's hanging around the ceiling. It's little column and a little from column B. There's literally one scene after the other, but that's the most precision, like, actual use.
00:17:52
Speaker
It's the least Anakin move that she's used. Mm-hmm. And that's why they're notable, because it's not her just immediately going murder mode. Yeah.
00:18:04
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Yeah, Anakin would just go in there lightsaber swinging. Mm-hmm. Well, no. So Anakin would go in. He'd say, hey, can you help us out? can Can you give us the daughters back?
00:18:16
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Jabba would say no, and then Anakin would say, oh well, I tried. and Somehow everyone dies. Mm-hmm. And not just the men but the women and the children.
00:18:32
Speaker
Wait, that means he would kill Radha. You know, it's kind of a miracle that Jabba is still alive for the original trilogy, considering that Darth Vader was in control of a substantial amount of the universe for, like, over a decade.
00:18:46
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You would have thought that he would have gone in and killed Jabba personally at some point, given, you know, his history.
00:18:54
Speaker
but's There's some interesting comics about that that has... Mostly it's because at that point Anakin is under under a certain Dark Lord's lease. to But anyway, yeah, so ah then there's a shootout with droids on the bankership, and I wrote here, diplomat guns.
00:19:17
Speaker
Yeah, i don't know what you meant by that. Yeah, I don't know. I think you're making fun of the fact that the ships here are supposed to be diplomatic as a neutral party. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
00:19:29
Speaker
And the whole kind that makes sense. They're definitely like full of those blaster rifles that are being used by by actual battle droids. Yes.
00:19:42
Speaker
And then Baron Papanoida plays on Jabba's fatherly instincts to help force Greedo to tell him where his daughters are being held. So nice little callback to the movie there.
00:19:54
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then the blockade ends. Yes, and blockades never work well for the Trade Federation. Nope. Well, that's one that works better than most. The last one ended with spinning is good trick and ah destruction.
00:20:09
Speaker
So, you know, one thing that would have been if Anakin had been the one to go instead of sending Ahsoka, there could have been some interesting meat in here in the episode by having him facing off against Greedo, his childhood friend.
00:20:31
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Oh, wait, no, that was Walled. Sorry. that's well yeah know that's three and There was a deleted scene with Greedo where they were bullying Greedo.
00:20:41
Speaker
So that would have made even more interesting things where Greedo, the bounty hunter, encounters his childhood bully, Anakin Skywalker,
00:20:54
Speaker
Mm-hmm. The Jedi. Who's now a a genocidal Jedi Knight. Mm-hmm.
Droid-Centric Episode and Guest Appearances
00:21:00
Speaker
And at this point, to go back to your shadow assassin thing, like, Brita was soon to be pretty damn competent.
00:21:07
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Probably the most competent in either Legends and canon.
00:21:16
Speaker
Well, he kind of had to be to survive until Han cheap shots him. Yeah. Which he did do, by the way. Yes. but um for the for the we are For the record, Han did not shoot first because Greedo did not shoot.
00:21:35
Speaker
You can't shoot first if there's only one shot. Han shot. ah but Either way. anyway I like the fact that we got an Ahsoka episode, though. I like the Ahsoka episodes. It's fun seeing do her thing.
00:21:51
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It's one of the really pure, like, it is Ahsoka's. He doesn't have any backup allies. Yes, it has the Papanoia family, but they're doing their own side quests alongside her.
00:22:03
Speaker
it So it really is, we get to see her in action, and that's where we get to see the differences between her and... That is a huge fly. yeah Got it.
00:22:16
Speaker
But yeah, it was ah it was cool seeing her you know do her stealth thing, doing her mind trick for the first time. you know she's ah She's really grown as ah as a Jedi, and it's cool to see that happen.
00:22:29
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Yes. that is I feel like that's one of the strengths of this series in general, is seeing her growth as a Jedi over time. And also, that was something that you were confused about in the earth as we were doing the
00:22:43
Speaker
And I had to explain that it was both for in the actual series run, but also the chronological run. that Yeah, see, they didn't get a whole lot of episodes in the first two seasons.
00:22:55
Speaker
And the the usual suspects among the audience hated her. I mean, we can just obliterate them, so it doesn't really matter. It's fine. but They've all turned around on that.
00:23:10
Speaker
but Like, even i I'll admit that even I was like... I was skeptical. Yeah, i I found her annoying and in the movie and season one. like Season one started... it like The Battle of Ryloth is where I was like, okay, I see the potential here.
00:23:26
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I guess we don't have to obliterate them then. Sadly, putting away my particle cannon. Oh, don't worry. Some of them still exist and some of them are still wrong.
00:23:39
Speaker
but Most of them, though, have moved on to hating every other woman in Star Wars. Oh, so there are plenty of people to obliterate still. But here's what they do.
00:23:50
Speaker
I'm not a misogynist because I like Ahsoka. o i see. So extra, extra obliteration then. but Yes. I like Ahsoka, but it's just insert any other female character here who is a Mary Sue excuse me you you called Ahsoka an annoying Mary Sue when she first showed up we've got the receipts Mary Sue isn't even a coherent complaint these days it isn't nor was it ever was but yeah not really except for back in the fanfixing days and I was in those trenches
00:24:28
Speaker
you know that It was a very specific complaint that very quickly, almost immediately, dissolved any functional meaning. Yes.
00:24:40
Speaker
But then we move on to the next episode, Evil Plans, Season 3, Episode 8. And with a title like that, you you know there has to be something sinister, right? Well, here's the official logline.
00:24:51
Speaker
While shopping on Coruscant, C-3PO and R2-D2 are abducted. I mean, yeah, that's pretty evil. Those are like the best characters. yeah i mean i'll admit this
00:25:04
Speaker
i I don't know if I had more fun watching this, because I remember when I first watched this, it wasn't my favorite episode. But can't tell it's because I'm seeing it through fresh eyes for this free watch, or seeing how much you were excited for a C-3PO R2-D2 episode with Cad Bane.
00:25:22
Speaker
Yes. I mean, yeah y'all can't see the notes, but if you were to see the notes, all of my notes are in purple, all of Daryl's notes are in blue, and Nick didn't write any notes for this episode, but looking at the notes for this episode, there is substantially more purple here.
00:25:40
Speaker
Yes. so like Yes, there is. you know let Let's block tradition and let... Lauren, take the floor first. All right. for it. So, yes. So, in this episode, Padme is preparing a party.
00:25:56
Speaker
But she's got a problem. She's missing some very critical fruit for of the species that she's making the party for. And so... but what One thing, though, that that I found very odd is All of her planning and later on execution of the party seems awfully public about her and Anakin being a couple.
00:26:23
Speaker
I mean, they're they're acting very couple-y. i guess but like If I had made a note, and I think I even even did make a note, but didn't make it on our note seat, it's like, secret marriage!
00:26:41
Speaker
But in like 10 by 10 vaunt.
00:26:45
Speaker
but Yeah, I mean, all that was missing was greeting her guests. And of course, you you know my husband, Jedi Skywalker. Of course. Jedi General Anakin Skywalker. Also, what Anakin's excuse for being here?
00:27:04
Speaker
Exactly. It's all very coubly.
00:27:09
Speaker
It's all very couple-y. Although, this, I don't have it in the notes here, but something that I just saw someone post online recently that I know I posted it in our Discord and Nick saw it, but something that someone pointed out that I find very interesting and I accept it now is my headcanon.
00:27:31
Speaker
So, started out started out belonging to you know the Naboo government, right? Right. In Phantom Menace. And Anakin built Threepio, right?
00:27:44
Speaker
Right. So, Threepio is Anakin's. Mm-hmm. So, after the secret marriage, Threepio is always with Padme, and R2 is always with Anakin.
00:27:58
Speaker
Right. So, they could not... exchange rings or whatever in star wars and know spoiler alert we know from um several novels that it is rings that are tokens of marriage they couldn't do that publicly because it's a secret marriage right they exchange droids hmm yeah i guess that works and so that's the
00:28:29
Speaker
To themselves, those are the droids are their symbols of their secret marriage. and So what saying is that in this episode, Cad Bane steals their marriage rings functionally. Yes, Cad Bane functionally steals their wedding rings.
00:28:46
Speaker
Cad Bane is Mephisto confirmed! Yes, Mephisto confirmed! yes with fto um And it vitamin fans you may cry now the somewhere, you know, we, and somewhere when we said Mephisto confirmed, Eric Voss from New Rockstars perked up. What?
00:29:06
Speaker
Mephisto confirmed.
00:29:09
Speaker
So in any case, C-3PO has a mission. He's got to get that fruit. And he goes shopping for it and eventually he ah he finds a planet that'll have it, but, oh no, Cad Bane's droid is back!
00:29:27
Speaker
Well, before that, though, Threepio gets royally hosed on the price of the fruit. Yes, this is also true. Yes, like, master of, like, how many Gostar languages, but can't haggle for nothing?
00:29:43
Speaker
Nope. Now, something interesting with Toto, Cad Bane's droid being back, we have two episodes in a row and ah not in production order, but in chronological order.
00:30:02
Speaker
We have two episodes in a row with guest voice actor Seth Green. Hmm. Nice. From Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Robot Chicken fame.
00:30:13
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Who also has a long history with Star Wars. Oh, we should maybe do do do one of the Robot Chicken specials sometime. Yeah, that would be fun. Nice. Because those are actually really good.
00:30:26
Speaker
They are. They'll mean more once you get caught up on the movies, though. Gotcha.
00:30:33
Speaker
But proceed, I'm sorry to have interrupted there. Oh, no, that was good one. But yeah, eventually, C-3PO does get the fruit, but while r two is lured in by a droid spa, C-3PO gets kidnapped by Cat Bane, and the fruit is lost!
00:30:51
Speaker
Dun-dun-dun! Yeah, I love the whole droid spa. It's a really expensive fruit. It's like, you know, R2... but Let's be frank here, that droid spa was kind of a G-rated, very adult kind of thing, the way that they were presenting it.
00:31:16
Speaker
It seemed very Red Light District. Yeah, you know, it's... ah li way It leads into a pretty funny scene where you see R2 getting ah taken care of, as it were, interspersed with scenes of C-3PO getting tortured.
00:31:33
Speaker
but Yes. There's a weird dichotomy of just like how heavenly and how hellous torture and pampering and aggressive if energy...
00:31:48
Speaker
feminine, caring, there's a lot that you could read into that for some reason. I feel like it's a metaphor for R2 and C-3PO's lives in general.
00:31:59
Speaker
Yep. Honestly true! And the reason Cad Bane is torturing 3PO is he wants the plans to the Senate building, but to quote Cad Bane,
00:32:11
Speaker
3PO doesn't have any useful information. His head is totally empty. This will be important in like a couple more movies.
00:32:23
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Yes. When he finally does have information. Yes. yeah don't give You're already winding me up, Nick.
00:32:34
Speaker
In any case, ah let's see. Then I wrote R2 Causes Chaos. I don't remember why I wrote that one. but That's just R2's general statement. He does yeah cause some chaos to allow ahll see free people to get away, and they do somehow get the fruit.
00:32:50
Speaker
Yes, and well, there's there's quite a few other things that happen in there where ah there's, I'm your worst nightmare, pal. Which I guess was ah it was a nice Cad Bane line. <unk> And then ah then there there's the fact that R2 also gets captured, and it turns out R2's head isn't empty.
00:33:07
Speaker
Because you' got and he from he's got the plans. Which continues from the established fact that Anakin doesn't wipe his memory, which is a is both parts of why he has a personality, but also makes him an incredibly bad source of operational security.
00:33:26
Speaker
ah You know, all Cad Bane had to do was invite R2 into their signal call. who Yeah, basically. Or would R2 be inviting someone into their signal? Anakin invites people into their signal call.
00:33:40
Speaker
Right.
00:33:43
Speaker
we We dated ourselves, but it it's the equivalent. Yeah. Especially after we had a whole arc where the whole plot was with R2 got captured, and it was like, he has too much information, Anakin. You gotta delete some of it. Mm-hmm.
00:34:01
Speaker
Yes, R2 gives up the plans. Bane wipes out their short-term memory, drops them off back where the fruit is. They get the fruit and go home. Bane gets paid.
00:34:12
Speaker
and then we see five huts going magnificent job. Yeah, and you they the droids go back home where Anakin and Padme are playing house and hosting the party and, again, being very couple-y.
00:34:29
Speaker
Again, like, to this is the Galactic Senate. You gotta imagine the gossip going on there. but The intrigue, the this ah water cooler talk, be yeah the group chats.
00:34:45
Speaker
The Anakin somehow, still getting pushed into somehow.
00:34:52
Speaker
Yeah, they, they, you know, It's really weird. you know the the The Senate must be gossiping and saying, so what what what do you think they do? you Which one is, yeah.
00:35:08
Speaker
yeah there I kind of, I want this fan fiction. think he responds into the chat, spinning's a good trick. ah Yes. No context.
00:35:20
Speaker
No context. Yes. He has his own emote for it.
00:35:26
Speaker
Spinning's a good trick, and Padme's like, yes, and sand is coarse and rough and gets everywhere. And then Anakin responds with several heart emojis.
00:35:39
Speaker
I get sense to the clone, to Commander Rex. Yes. ah But you know for me, there there really wasn't much to this episode. There was droid hijinks setting up an episode that had already aired, like,
00:35:55
Speaker
a year and a half earlier. And yes, that is a jab at watching in chronological order. And it is appropriate. And honestly, like it is a fun episode. It had a lot of things you like. Lots of cool droid stuff.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yep. I did like the droid stuff a lot. A cat, pain, toto. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, i'm I'm into it. Yep. Yeah, now we get to the the episode that literally like blew everyone's mind.
Cad Bane's Senate Takeover
00:36:23
Speaker
This was the original season one finale, Hostage Crisis.
00:36:26
Speaker
Season one, episode one, two. Yep, and the official logline for that one is, to free crime lord Zero the Hutt, bounty hunters seize control of the Senate building and take hostages, completely unaware at first that Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker is still inside.
00:36:45
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:36:48
Speaker
And so I remember we mentioned a while back that season two was promoted as the bounty hunters and this season one finale kind of set that up.
00:36:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:03
Speaker
So, uh, yeah. So basically and at the start of the episode, we see that Cad Bane has his crew and, uh, they, they definitely look like a star Wars tabletop RPG party.
00:37:16
Speaker
ah your Your classic mix of droids, weirdo, those mixed classes. Yeah. And they wreck the guards. Yeah, they they wreck the guards, at the Senate guards.
00:37:28
Speaker
Yeah, the Senate guards are victims to headshots and neck snaps. So remember, folks, this is a kids show. Mm-hmm. And then we we cut back over to Anakin with his wife.
00:37:43
Speaker
And Anakin is ah experiencing some rather notable obsession. Yeah, and Anakin's frisky. and anekin ane and We can rename Anakin Randy for this scene. ah about to consider like I guess they got really excited about that dignitary dinner they had.
00:38:07
Speaker
it was ah Those were some really great fruits, y'all. Yeah, they must have been. Considering how expensive they were. And, uh, yeah, Padme actually holds Anakin's lightsaber.
00:38:19
Speaker
not Not a metaphor for anything, just that's literally just what happens. you should see She says that the lightsaber is heavy, which reminds me heavier than she than she expected Yes, it it kind of reminds me of how I remember whenever the series was first being developed, the the very first movie, Episode IV, was being made, lightsabers were intended to be a much heavier, slower weapon than they often get depicted as later on as the series has progressed.
00:38:51
Speaker
Indeed. These days you see people flipping around with them, but the original Star Wars lightsaber fight was... ah Very slow and pri precise and methodical. To a classical sword battle.
00:39:05
Speaker
But you know along those lines, just put a pin in that for a little while and two more animated series. that we'll go through because there's a whole lot of lore to how that makes sense and how like lightsaber fights have evolved and well and i've i'm just thinking more of a particular episode of a particular series that is oh i know exactly what you're talking about on tatooine
00:39:36
Speaker
ah But yeah, Anakin hands over his lightsaber, his metaphorical life to Padme. is where we had two And and then then they make out.
00:39:49
Speaker
um And you know that they full-on would have done it right there on Padme's desk um had Bail Organa not come in. Damn it, Jimmy Smits.
00:40:02
Speaker
Actor of Bail Organa. Or... um I believe it's Phil Lamar voicing him animation.
00:40:13
Speaker
So good impression. And then Bail Organa comes to get Padme because apparently the Chancellor is proposing something called the Enhanced Privacy Invasion Bill?
00:40:30
Speaker
what the Again, i refer back to who's inviting who to the signal chat. um I mean, the these last few episodes are kind of prescient.
00:40:46
Speaker
ah like Again, we watched these episodes easily like last year, I think. Basically, yeah. But they're now more hilarious or or prescient, how you look at it, right now when we're recording.
00:41:04
Speaker
Uh-huh, yeah. So basically, ah as Padme leaves, she's got Anakin's lightsaber in her hands. And Anakin is not supposed to be there. ah So Anakin has to stealth, and Padme sort of accidentally takes her his lightsaber with her.
00:41:22
Speaker
Because he left it on her desk, and so she's like, oh, um, yeah er er and shoves it up her sleeve. Mm-hmm. And, uh, yeah, then we cut back over to Cad Bane with his folks.
00:41:35
Speaker
And I wrote down here, Cad Bane? More like Cad Bomb. Yes, he... They set up a really big bomb. They blow the barracks. And, like, just killed like he kills, like, 12 people in that room.
00:41:47
Speaker
They kill so many people in this episode. Yes. And, yeah, basically all the senators get together, and they end up getting trapped in there.
00:41:58
Speaker
i wrote down here, ballsy senator shot. Yes, it's it's it's the it's the grand senator, the one with the three eyes, and he's like, I ain't gonna listen to this guy. Yeah, and then and then he gets shot.
00:42:13
Speaker
Yep. He's right in the back, and it's like...
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah, no survival instinct whatsoever. Mm-hmm. And, yeah, then the then the power goes out, and Anakin's dodging lasers, and Anakin is trying to save everybody, trying to get past all these assassins, while not having access to his lightsaber.
00:42:36
Speaker
And he eventually gets to... Or thinking to call called the Jedi. Mm-hmm. called called the jedi
00:42:45
Speaker
Eventually he gets to this this control panel that looks like it was straight out of episode four. ah it was. It pretty much was. It's very similar. I like the, you know, that each each different part of the series has kind of its own look.
00:42:59
Speaker
And I really like that episode four paneling sort of look to it. it oh yeah. yeah it's nice it's It keeps, like, one of the big problems a lot of people had with the prequels was because of how clean it looked.
00:43:11
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But putting in smaller touches, like similar control panels, similar hallway designs. It's just enough to remind you, like, okay, it's the same world, but it's older.
00:43:23
Speaker
Yeah. And so, ah unfortunately, Anakin does not successfully rescue the Senators. Anakin gets taken down by Cad Bane. And Eventually, Anakin does get his lightsaber back and he rescues the senators and you know everything everything is good there, but the whole reason that they were taking the Senate hostage was to get Zero the Hutt pardoned and sprung, which happens.
00:43:59
Speaker
Yes, and they make their dramatic exit. Oh, and oh wait this is completely ah they didn't storm the Senate building. That's a different thing. yeah
00:44:10
Speaker
And yeah I and that wrote down here, Guard Trooper Breaks Through Glass. I don't remember the context of that one.
00:44:18
Speaker
Not sure. okay yeah Anyway, so yeah, one of the things is that for for a major portion of the episode, while the Senators are being held by Cad Bane and his other assassins, Padme has Anakin's lightsaber on her the entire time.
00:44:37
Speaker
And I was just, I was waiting. When is Padme going to use the lightsaber? When is she going to do something? When is she going to get involved? And then Padme never uses the lightsaber. She just, she just never uses it for anything. And it's like, ah and um fine come on. Because a lot of people do, like say like, oh, here's how many times it, here's the comparison between Leia and Padme. And like,
00:45:07
Speaker
Again, I was watching this when it came out. I was like, okay, this... Because if Leia had a lightsaber, she'd fucking use it. Mm-hmm. She'd pull that out as as a tool. Even if it was just to like help escape in a clever like cut on the hole yeah like Anakin did. Mm-hmm.
00:45:27
Speaker
She would done something like that. What appeared to be Chekhov's lightsaber was instead just a a plot hurdle. Basically, yeah. It basically turned like what could have been a cool moment for Padme into the reason Anakin gets captured so that he could use the lightsaber to get them out of the situation.
00:45:49
Speaker
Yeah. So it was a Chekhov's gun, but it it just went back to itself. Yeah. so It was a major missed opportunity, unfortunately.
Zero the Hutt's Saga and Quinlan Vos's Debut
00:46:01
Speaker
But that episode with Zero's escape leads directly into the next episode. The Hunt for Zero, Season 3, Episode 9, Zero the Hutt finds himself wanted by the Hutt Council.
00:46:15
Speaker
Frankly, claim your favorite episode, Lawrence. I just because I wanted to. Okay. Yes, ah Zero goes to speak to the Hutt Council, and it's interesting to see the new Hutt designs in comparison to Jabba and Zero, because Jabba and Zero basically look the same as far as their physical model is concerned. One's purple.
00:46:41
Speaker
One's purple. Yeah. One's purple with with fluorescent yellow tattoos. But then the other huts, they actually have different appearances to them. They are physically shaped differently. And it's cool.
00:46:55
Speaker
Wait wait till till we show you some of the comics with the swole jacked hut. Oh boy. I'm not making this up.
00:47:04
Speaker
Nice. Or the one with scorpion legs. Cybernetic scorpion legs. Which, isn't that also the jacked hut? Well, there's multiple ones now.
00:47:17
Speaker
But the then we we get the first canon appearance of Quinlan Vos, not counting the background character in The Phantom Menace that was reverse-engineered into being Quinlan Vos.
00:47:32
Speaker
But imagine my... delight at seeing Quinlan Vos survive the purge of legends and lot addict report this is before the purge of legends of Disney that's true but you know this is what allowed him to escape the purge So imagine my delight. yeah does that both have very
00:48:03
Speaker
I'm hearing your sarcasm. I'm having the complete opposite the sarcasm. So, Lauren, just to give you a little backstory here. Yeah. There's a background character on Tatooine in Mos Espa in The Phantom Menace.
00:48:20
Speaker
You would miss him because of the Tar-Tar antics. And Dark Horse Comics had... the license for Star Wars comics at the time.
00:48:31
Speaker
And there are various stories on whether it was Lucasfilm in general or George Lucas himself who pointed to that background character and told Dark Horse, make a story about him.
00:48:44
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And so let me preface everything that I am about to say by saying I love the comics writing work of John Ostrander.
00:48:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm. His run reimagining the Suicide Squad in the late 80s into the concept that everyone knows now and is in the pop culture zeitgeist is John Ostrander.
00:49:12
Speaker
Some really great work on some classic comics characters is John Ostrander. He's written some fantastic Star Wars comics as well.
00:49:23
Speaker
All we know we're getting is to a rant he's He's given a whole lot of preamble. oh and Often in conjunction on the Star Wars work with artist Jan Dersima, who is an incredible artist.
00:49:37
Speaker
I love their work on Star Wars. Oh, yeah. Their work on Republic? Amazing. Yeah, they they introduced Quinlan Vos and just made him such a stereotypical bad boy.
00:49:54
Speaker
you know, he's a Jedi. but he's flirting with the dark side and he's got a drug problem and he has a complicated relationship with his former Padawan because he's a bad boy. And did I mention that he's a bad boy?
00:50:09
Speaker
Because every time you turn around, they reinforce that he's a bad boy. he Did you forget the fact that he comes from a planet of vampires? Wait, what?
00:50:20
Speaker
Ha ha ha ha ha. yeah he he comes from he comes from star wars the planet of Star Wars equivalent of vampires. um but yeah he But he's a bad boy. Don't forget that he's a bad boy. Never forget that he's a bad boy.
00:50:38
Speaker
And I just... I had my fill of him very, very quickly. And when he showed up on this episode, I was already in Oh boy, it's Quinlan Vos mode.
00:50:54
Speaker
um Because the episode, this is during the cartoon network day, so like they would have like a preview on on the website and on on the network itself.
00:51:05
Speaker
Quinlan Vos is back! Well, let's listen to Obi-Wan and Cody discuss Quinlan Vos. Yeah. Sir, you seem troubled.
00:51:17
Speaker
Quinlan Vos has that effect. Ah, yes. That Jedi has quite a reputation. Maybe overstating it, Cody. Let's just say he's crazy. Yeah, Obi-Wan calls the Jedi crazy. they They must be exceptional. Oh, yeah. if In the comics, they did have a complicated relationship with each other.
00:51:39
Speaker
Because, did I mention that Quinlan Vos is a bad boy? Mm-hmm. So Zero has an insurance policy in the form of a diary detailing everything that the Hutts have done, which is apparently bad enough that ah the Hutts, known galactic gangsters, murderers, and drug dealers.
00:52:06
Speaker
Not just one Hut, the whole council. they don't want this information getting out. That's how bad it is. who and I'm like, I would love to read that.
00:52:19
Speaker
It's kind of like, you know, when um a former reality show host um is on record talking about, you know a habit of assaulting women and looking at underage girls in the dressing room and various stages of undress and having multiple felony convictions and being found uh being found civilly liable for for sexual assault that's the kind of thing that you don't want to get out right because it's going to ruin everything it's over the hunt's average weekend right
00:52:58
Speaker
But somehow worse, enough for all the hot families to be like, oh, this is bad. in ah In a republic that doesn't convict them or arrest them, this is bad.
00:53:12
Speaker
Right. And then the singer arrives. Yes. And I would like to note something here.
00:53:23
Speaker
So, I've mentioned previously that whenever I watched the Star Wars original trilogy, it was ah because I was making a Let's Play of LEGO Star Wars and i wanted to actually know the original games.
00:53:37
Speaker
I... Did not know which version of ah the movies I was watching. I was aware there were special editions and regular versions. I was not entirely sure whether I was watching the regular or special editions.
00:53:50
Speaker
Most likely you were watching special editions. Well, that's the thing, Nick. That's what I'm getting to. Whenever I saw the scene where they were singing in episode six, I was like, oh Oh, this is the special edition. Because it was so completely out of place that I was like, there is no way that this was in the original movie.
00:54:17
Speaker
Well, there what there was a musical number in that spot. ah But it it was smaller in scale and it was, i kid you not, if you translate the the lyrics, it's not a direct translation, but in terms of theme and tone and everything, it is the Star Wars equivalent of Olivia Newton-John's physical.
00:54:47
Speaker
Because it's it's called Lopti Neck, which is Huttese for working out. o And it was a very 80s, you know,
00:54:59
Speaker
workout song it was workout pseudo sweat song yes in any case the but basically what i'm getting to here is that the first time that i saw this character that's when i recognized oh oh this is wrong oh no this is this is bad Well, she she was there in the original version, but she was a puppet.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah. And part of episode three was, ah season three of Clone Wars, was to bring back some familiar elements. So of course everyone wanted to bring back fan favorite, especially your favorite, Lawrence.
00:55:40
Speaker
ah sorry Lawrence, a trademark quote you said, my favorite character, Slice Noodles. Now, speaking of familiar things...
00:55:52
Speaker
is it just me or is this dance number at the hut palace with size noodles supposed to make us think of the, anything goes opening at the club, Obi-Wan in Indiana Jones and the temple of doom. Oh, obviously. Yeah.
00:56:06
Speaker
Okay. Just wanted to make sure that one that it wasn't just me. the You don't have to, you don't have to pull Alex from star Wars explained that this is, this is pretty much a direct callback to, to Indiana Jones for once.
00:56:19
Speaker
No. That being said, how awesome would it have been if they'd gotten Kate Capshaw to voice Cy Snoodles? Oh, that would have been cool, actually.
00:56:33
Speaker
Never would have happened, but hey. oh never in million years, but still cool. Yes, it turns out that Zero and Cy have a history together, which results in alien flirting.
00:56:50
Speaker
It's kind of painful to watch. if that That's probably intentional. Yeah. I would hope that it's intentional anyway. don't know. but This was during that Lucas was controlling just as much as Dave Filoni, so not sure who has the hand in this one. Yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
We're not sure which which of them that wanted the 14-year-old girl in a tube top had their hand in this. Mm-hmm. So yes, ah but meanwhile, Obi-Wan and Vos are trying to track down Zero, and we see Vos' ability to use the Force to see through time.
00:57:32
Speaker
Yes, psychometry. Mm-hmm. It's a pretty cool ability. It's a very unique ability and considered very rare, and is reintroduced into more recognizable Star Wars media for the character of Cal Kestis.
00:57:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. From the Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor games. Yeah. Which are games that I have now played. Well, you played one of them. Well, the first one, anyway.
00:58:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. with The second one is awesome. Mm-hmm. You will enjoy it. If you enjoyed the first, you're going to enjoy the second one. Nice. So anyway, I have written down here Zero Escape.
00:58:12
Speaker
ah That is a video game series. ah I think it's Sly Cineral's escape from her custody.
00:58:23
Speaker
Yes. Because they don't want to want to know who was on on the Zero flights. And they're they're trying to get to Zero's ah mysterious illegal data, essentially. Yeah.
00:58:38
Speaker
And then I've got Cad Bane doing in business. I don't remember why I wrote that. Well, because Cad Bane is like, well, you could pay me more to catch him again or kill him.
00:58:51
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that sounds right. And ah seat then there's sudden Giant Snake. I don't remember why I put Sun Giant in this place.
00:59:04
Speaker
I believe there's a giant snake on now, Hutta, that they sort of, like, easily... ah we're getting close to to the big hut. Yes.
00:59:14
Speaker
Yes, there is the giant hut mom that Zero ah asks for assistance to to get a ticket get a vehicle to leave the planet. Mama the hut. Aww.
00:59:27
Speaker
And after Zero leaves, the Jedi break in. And I believe that Obi-Wan notes that ah or the other character, Vos, has not mastered the art of knocking.
00:59:41
Speaker
As they now ask the giant Hutt mom where Zero has gone. And so now it's a big race after the mom tells them where he goes. For those who have not... so Mama the Hutt is not it.
00:59:57
Speaker
An easy fizzin to see. Yes. She is quite intense. Yeah, she she is. And at this point, we both have basically the same note here, that Psy double-crosses Zero, killing him and taking the diary.
01:00:14
Speaker
Yes. But then, it's Obi-Wan, Vos, and Cad Bane all pretty much show up at the at the same time. And they're all after the diary.
01:00:25
Speaker
and And that takes us to a samurai versus cowboy fight. Yes. Space samurai versus space cowboy. With rocket boots.
01:00:37
Speaker
But if he is a space cowboy, do people call him Maurice? Maurice!
01:00:44
Speaker
Yes, I really like the dynamic here because, you know, a lot of cowboy movies and samurai movies were all very heavily inspired by each other.
Showdown and Conclusion of Zero the Hutt's Story
01:00:53
Speaker
and like so it's neat seeing those archetypes go up against each other in this context. The funniest fact is it how, like, Italian music composers got involved in that somehow.
01:01:06
Speaker
That's always the funniest part. like, the classic cowboy twang is Italian. It is like How did the spaghetti get into the sauce here?
01:01:18
Speaker
Mm-hmm. The spaghetti got into the sauce because it was cheap to film there. kind know. It's just a fun joke to be like... So we got we we took from the samurai, became...
01:01:35
Speaker
became the Western, and then someone plopped it into the spaghetti. Mm-hmm. And a particularly cool moment in the battle is some Cad Bane lightsaber usage.
01:01:46
Speaker
Yeah. yeah it's supposed to host that he he ah fish And but nowhere as close to a Jedi user. Mm-hmm. and Yeah, it's it's ah it's always cool seeing characters use lightsabers outside of being Jedi, and it it would have been even really cool if we got to see Padme do that an episode ago!
01:02:08
Speaker
Right? We still feel that, again, like, we weren't, again, I'll give you my, like, I would have seen, like, you know the scene that Anakin does at the end?
01:02:20
Speaker
Keep him unconscious or barely conscious so he can't use it. And then do the same thing that he did. Yeah, pat-made lasers through the floor. She doesn't have to fight.
01:02:32
Speaker
She just has to use it as a tool, as an effective character, because that car gets back to her ancestor, Leia, who uses a blaster rifle and blows open the hole into into the garbage pit.
01:02:45
Speaker
a It's just... it's It just is a more fitting story point and makes her giving back the lightsaber. He could make a cheek, you know, it's like most powerful weapon in the universe. And that's all you could do.
01:03:02
Speaker
But you are in unconscious. o In any case, Psy ends up getting away with the with the with the journal.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yep, Psy sells the diary to Jabba and brings everything kind of full circle. Mm-hmm. And Zero the Hutt is dead.
01:03:27
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yes, so we don't have to hear someone do a poor man's Truman Capote anymore. Yay! Exactly. And that wraps the episode up.
01:03:38
Speaker
And that wraps this episode up. so Indeed. Our normal question, Lauren, what'd you think? How are you enjoying Clone Wars?
01:03:49
Speaker
What did you think of this batch? I mean, i enjoyed this series of episodes quite a bit, as you might have noticed by the fact that I have about triple the notes of anyone else. Honestly. And so, this brings... I'll admit, I... was all bit i When I first watched this as a kid and I did a second rewatch in like the 10s,
01:04:14
Speaker
I found less for me to be interested in, but I do like seeing, like, before i my my least favorite was Evil Plans, but you brought a lot more interesting insight to Evil Plans than I had.
01:04:28
Speaker
h Well, and I'm wondering too, that this could all be a matter of perspective. Because Nick and I know the highs that the series is capable of because we've seen the whole thing.
01:04:43
Speaker
And these episodes, when you compare to the highs, when you compare to the peaks of Clone Wars, these, they may not be the lowest valleys, but they're valleys.
01:04:55
Speaker
o and And admittedly, i did I did talk highly of the fact that, like, And we did mention the fact that like the whole like season two was the Bounty Hunter season because of the Cad Bane episode.
01:05:08
Speaker
That was its introduction. it is a damn strong introduction. Except when you watch it in chronological order, it's in the middle of season three.
01:05:21
Speaker
Yeah. I think one of the things to note here is that these might be valleys, but these are valleys that have the stuff that I specifically like. but That's fair, too.
01:05:32
Speaker
guess that's fair. That's why what I will... I will freely admit, as I already have, that my perspective on the hunt for Zero is colored by the presence of Quinlan the Bad Boy Vos.
01:05:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Or, as as i say him in less as I refer to him in less polite company, Quinlan effing Voss. I didn't say effing.
01:05:59
Speaker
Oh, I didn't even know you had that strong of an opinion. And, like, for me, this is this is my only context for Vos. And i feel like within just this episode, just this one episode, vas is pretty cool. He's fun and cool in this one.
01:06:14
Speaker
Now, allow me to say, because you will not be able to watch these episodes because these episodes were never made. Ever. But... Going later into what would have been the full season seven, as opposed to the truncated season seven that was produced belatedly.
01:06:37
Speaker
There was a shot and the multiple like season six and like there's episodes that exist but don't exist or been reinterpretated. But there was, what was it, a six or eight episode arc, Nick? Oh, it was eight episodes.
01:06:53
Speaker
An eight episode arc? An eight episode arc with Quillen Cross and... across two seasons with Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress teamed up.
01:07:08
Speaker
o Oh, it it sounds good. Yeah, that sounds cool. And this story, these episodes, were written by Katie Lucas.
01:07:19
Speaker
Yes, relation. Yes. One of George's daughters. She also was the one that did like the Night Sinister arc and the Survivor of Press arc. Nice. and She created Savasso Press. used to be excited. Oh, yeah. and this And this storyline was later adapted into a novel called Dark Disciple.
01:07:46
Speaker
hello so And it was adapted in the current Disney canon. Ooh. So, as far as anyone and everyone is concerned, those episodes still happened.
01:08:00
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Interesting. Depending on how novels, especially like the Ahsoka novel and stuff, there's been some novels that have been built off of these episodes that were not filmed or presented, that have been subject to retconning.
01:08:23
Speaker
Some slight, some not so slight. Yeah, but we do know that and this is also another spoiler, but Quinlan Vos is confirmed to be a Jedi survivor of Order 66.
01:08:38
Speaker
Yes, in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, we see his name written on a wall when it could have only been written there post Revenge of the Sith.
01:08:50
Speaker
Gotcha. We don't we don't know his fate yet.
01:08:55
Speaker
But that's this set of episodes, and that's this episode of the Casual Nerdity Clone Watch. Actually, there is one last thing that I'd like to bring up. ah about It's about how in in our previous episode, we were going over a lot of the Mandalorian stuff, and y'all were very excited about the Mandalorian stuff, and it all just sort of washed over me.
01:09:16
Speaker
And then this series of episodes, it's kind of like the opposite thing happened, essentially. yeah healthy Yeah.
01:09:24
Speaker
That's totally fair. yeah but I don't know. that It was that's kind of funny. That's the joy of Star Wars, actually. in fact yeah like I kind of handed that during our discussion with the Mandalorian stuff.
01:09:39
Speaker
Yeah, you can come into Star Wars from any a perspective. And just fixate. Wait, Nick. Since I'm a Star Wars fan, I think I've been doing this wrong.
01:09:51
Speaker
Oh, no. I did not enjoy these episodes as much as I would have liked to enjoy these episodes. Therefore, Star Wars is ruined.
01:10:02
Speaker
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, Daryl, Daryl, you're wrong. it was the Mandalorian episodes that ruined Star Wars. You're not helping. But maybe, maybe next episode, we can all come to conception when Star Wars is good again.
01:10:21
Speaker
ah yeah Nope, nope. it's It's all horrible. It's all been horrible, and I blame Kathleen Kennedy.
01:10:31
Speaker
Technically, she's involved right now, but not to it. There's a whole lot behind that joke. I know, Nick. There's so so many layers to to the onion that is that joke.
01:10:43
Speaker
Oh, no. that's me we like Anyone casually listening to this or making it this far would not have... even gotten to this joke and have already written like at least a two paragraph maybe three paragraph complaint against us and how we're Disney shills.
01:11:01
Speaker
How we're Disney shills, how we're woke and how we not need to not bring politics into the series that began as an allegory for America's involvement in the Vietnam War.
01:11:18
Speaker
It's the end of the episode, everybody. It has wars in the name, but let's let's call it off and it off. i will I think I will put a little bait in the in the episode description saying that we we discuss the moment that sir the the very moment that Star Wars is ruined.
01:11:44
Speaker
Beautiful. Feed the algorithm, baby. Feed the algorithm. Anyway. i If I had to represent it, it is a dragon. It's creepy. It has everything.
01:11:58
Speaker
Are you sure it's not sand?
01:12:01
Speaker
I definitely drowned in it. And anyway, um but before we go down any further tangents that will get the grognards mad at us, we should probably go ahead and sign off.
01:12:15
Speaker
So you need food. I need food. i need food So ah thank you all, everyone, for listening. Thank you for letting us have our little minor tirades. And we will see you next time. Have a good time.
01:12:34
Speaker
Have a great time. And we will see you next time as we go over the next handful of episodes in Clone Wars and see what Lauren's reaction is to them. But thank you again for listening.
01:12:46
Speaker
I have been Daryl. And I'm Lauren. And we'll catch you next time. Bye-bye. This has been Casual Nerdity. We hope you've enjoyed your time with us and look forward to having you back.
01:13:10
Speaker
Woo-hoo! That was fun.