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Clone Watch - Episode 21
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Daryl, Nick, & Lauren are back to Clone Wars, as they watch Obi-Wan go undercover as his own assassin and stand idly by while he watches cold-blooded murders committed in front of him.
00:00 Introduction
06:45 Deception
25:08 Friends and Enemies
35:31 The Box
46:32 Crisis on Naboo
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https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder
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Introduction to Casual Nerdity Podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Casual Nerdity is podcast celebrating and discussing pop culture that we love. Movies, TVs, comics, books, games, you name it. Our aim is to talk about the good, what worked, and yeah, sometimes what didn't.
00:00:21
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All with an eye towards building up, not tearing down. Thanks for joining us.
Clone Watch Series Episode 21
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Welcome back to Casual Nerdity and the 21st episode in our Clone Watch series. Woo-hoo! I'm Daryl.
00:00:41
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I'm Nick. And I'm Lauren. And Lauren is the reason that we are doing Clone Watch. Indeed. It's my first time seeing the series.
00:00:53
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and to And so Nick and I are rewatching. You're watching for the first time. I'm the villain of the story because I am imposing a chronological rewatch, which hasn't been as much of a problem anymore.
00:01:08
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Yeah, i was about to say at this point, that is a non-issue. that It is a non-issue because everything is pretty much now just you know in in release and chronological order.
00:01:22
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they're They're the same thing. Save the start of ah one season. But we...
Star Wars Holiday Special Discussion
00:01:30
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ah we We are recording almost on, I was about to say an auspicious date, but more like an infamous date in Star Wars history.
00:01:45
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Because yesterday, as we record this, was the anniversary of the release of the Star Wars holiday special.
00:01:56
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Oh, wait, in and November? yeahp yes It was a November release? Yes, it was more of a a Thanksgiving special than a Christmas special.
00:02:07
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seasons over that Allegedly, it was one of the many things that the Star Wars Holiday Special was supposed to accomplish was to sell toys.
00:02:18
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a But the actual production and advertisements for it proves that it was an audience of no one. Yes, of course. And now, it in some nice little synergy, too, ah we have mentioned them many times, and we've had one of the hosts of um of their show on with us a couple of times, and he's going to be back here in the near future.
00:02:46
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But our friends at the Movie Defenders podcast just this week dropped an episode where they discuss the Star Wars holiday special.
00:02:58
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Oh, boy. And they they also kind of, you know here and there, even though it's not the official subject, they discuss the documentary that came out a couple of years ago ah about the making of the holiday special called A Disturbance in the Force, which I finally got to watch in the past couple of weeks myself.
00:03:19
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Same here. It's it's really good. Nice. It is. it' It's very good. It's very interesting. ah A lot of the things about it I had heard before, but hearing stories firsthand from people who were involved in the creation of of it. it' is is it still I still feel there's many more tales to be told for behind the scenes. oh Oh, I'm sure.
00:03:45
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I'm sure. and as Most of those are probably buried beneath like mounds of cocaine.
Star Wars Controversies and Endurance
00:03:53
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But yeah the next time that someone tells you that because they didn't like something new that Star Wars or Star Wars has gone woke or whatever, and so Star Wars is now dead because Disney owns it I would just repeat to them what both the movie defenders and Alex from Star Wars Explained have said both this week in discussions about the holiday special.
00:04:24
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Star Wars survived the holiday special. it It will survive whatever you didn't like about the latest project. This is true.
00:04:36
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And at the time of the holiday special, it was fully 50% of Star Wars. Yeah. yeah
00:04:46
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And it survived that. Yep. It survived Jackson. it survived the holiday special. It will survive, you know, the Jedi not necessarily being the shining beacons of nobility that you built them up in your minds.
00:05:06
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It was by the Acolyte, which is good. and I'll, yeah and I think I just turned off 90% of our audience now.
00:05:16
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Oh no. did can i Didn't I talk about how the Acolyte was good in a previous episode, even though I hadn't watched it, but just thematically speaking. Yes. Yeah. So I already killed them.
00:05:28
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Yeah.
Obi-Wan's Undercover Mission in Clone Wars
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and So what what say do we die? That seems like actually a really good segue for the episodes that we're talking about. Yes. yes ah This time Clone Wars goes kind of spy thriller this time around with Obi-Wan undercover with a bunch of bounty hunters.
00:05:49
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So we're going to be taking a look at Deception, which was Season 4, Episode 15. Friends and Enemies, Season 4, Episode 16. ah The Box, Season 4, Episode 17.
00:06:02
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And Crisis on Naboo, Season 4, Episode 18. When isn't Naboo having a crisis? Right? I mean... Oh, oh, oh, crap. Oh, sorry.
00:06:14
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There's a massive mosquito right in front of you right now. lovely. it's going It's going to murder you, Nick. a Have you updated it? I got it first.
00:06:27
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Your only chance now was to have is to ally with the squirrels against it. Yes. like It was huge. Oh my goodness.
00:06:37
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but It like landed right in front me. First up, we're going to be talking about Deception, Season 4, Episode 15. There, are you going to do the thing?
00:06:49
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What thing? You know... Lies. don't Deceptions. Oh, yeah man, I should have pulled that clip. I didn't even think of it.
00:07:02
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Deception. Season 4, episode 15. Obi-Wan goes undercover as a criminal to stop a conspiracy. Yes.
00:07:14
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And we open up on Moralo trying to capture Palpatine. you gotta say the full name. Moralo Ival. Ah, yes. Moralo Ival.
00:07:26
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That's And I have said many times before that the newsreel openings often do a lot of heavy lifting in setting up storylines on Clone Wars.
00:07:38
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This may be one of the biggest examples because it tells us about a full-on plot to kidnap Palpatine and the mastermind behind it has been caught and imprisoned.
00:07:49
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But the plan may already be in motion and the episode hasn't even started yet. Yeah. like This is like an episode and a half exposition. Mm-hmm.
00:08:02
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It's a start of an arc of four episodes. In like a minute. Yeah. This is like a previously on montage for a set of episodes that never happened.
00:08:17
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Basically. So. it The start of like, I'm going to come out and say like, I am not a huge fan of this arc. Ooh. Opening up with that, huh?
00:08:29
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Wow. So we open with Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka just kind of strolling through Coruscant talking about how, oh yeah, everybody's being called back to the temple for a big briefing.
00:08:41
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And a sniper attacks. and They pursue the sniper and Obi-Wan is shot and killed? Whoa!
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And so then they... they they get back, kid du the the sniper gets away, Anakin gets back to... We have a funeral.
00:09:06
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wait We have a funeral, and at the je at the funeral, so the Jedi, they they they they invited Satine to Obi-Wan's funeral. Dr. Satine, and I have to speak up for Betsy, long-term friend of the show, and have to speak up for her. It's like,
00:09:25
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Why did they have to bring in his wife into this? His secret girlfriend. but This means that they knew, right?
00:09:36
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And that it wasn't really that big of a deal, right? So... Anakin and Padme should be fine if they would just open their mouths.
00:09:49
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like yeah they won Again, only one here... Who's not a Jedi? There's like Jedi Knights, Jedi Masters, the whole council is here.
00:10:03
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And the sobbing ruler of Mandalore. An independent system not affiliated with the Republic right now.
00:10:15
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Just do it what wait till we get to the next Mandalore episodes, Lauren, and just remember this name, Corky. Okay.
00:10:26
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Yes, and then we have ah Yoda line. Heading down a dark path, we are. Yep, and... Under the sacred of the sensory.
00:10:36
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Mm-hmm. And he says that because, surprise, Obi-Wan's fine. yeah the i The Jedi faked his death so he could go undercover as the assassin who killed him. And Anakin doesn't know because Obi-Wan was like, well, you know, his his genuine reaction is what's going to sell this whole thing. Mm-hmm.
00:11:00
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And then we see the horror of shaved Obi-Wan. Followed. Curse Obi-Wan. Followed by a face transformation where he gets flipped with the the assassin sniper guy and he gets a thing in his throat. Ringo Hardeen. And it's face-off.
00:11:20
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It's the face the movie face-off. Yeah. and then And then they use some forced sleep to force the sniper asleep. Okay, there's a whole lot. like We can brush.
00:11:33
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All of that happens within like three minutes. But it's a lot. That's a lot. The Jedi terrorize Hardy. Mm-hmm. the the jedi terrorize hardy ahead He's like, hey, go go in.
00:11:49
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the The guy that's going to pay you is in that back room over there. And he goes in, and it's Obi-Wan with his face. And then there's Mace Windu. There's animated Samuel Jackson standing in the corner.
00:12:05
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And in this moment, he's kind of like a cross between Mace Windu and Jules Winfield from Pulp Fiction. but for Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:17
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I'm pretty sure both of them have a wallet that says badass motherfucker on it. Probably, yeah. No. Mace's wallet doesn't say that.
00:12:28
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His lightsaber does. Oh, yes, of course.
Jedi's Strategic Plans and Anakin's Emotions
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No. Seriously, on Samuel L. Jackson's lightsaber hilt prop, the letters BMF were etched into it.
00:12:41
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Nice. For that very reason. Mm-hmm.
00:12:47
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So canonically, while Jules Winfield has a wallet that says bad motherfucker, Mace Windu has a lightsaber that says bad motherfucker.
00:13:00
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a And now I have to mark this episode explicit. Yes.
00:13:07
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Oh, it was going to be anyways, because I have some... so You have thoughts. I have some thoughts about this because one, this is the most insane concept of of the Jedi possible.
00:13:22
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Honestly, I feel is the most absurd concept.
00:13:29
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So then on top of all of this, right? top of all of this. So the the Jedi have knocked out the real Hardeen, and taking him off, Anakin shows up and arrests, air quotes, Rako Hardeen, which is Obi-Wan in disguise. He's literally held back from murdering him.
00:13:56
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Yes. Because Anakin, quote unquote, Anakin's response is supposed to sell this. Anakin's immediate response is to murder him. Yes.
00:14:07
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he He says he's going to. But he doesn't. If Anakin had Anakin'd because he didn't know, then this entire plan would have gone up in smoke.
00:14:22
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Exactly. This plot makes no sense from the Jedi perspective. And Obi-Wan's like, Anakin will be outrageously absurd and that's what's selling. It's like... Anakin!
00:14:34
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the person The person who murdered an entire tribe of Tusken Raiders. And not just the men, but the women.
00:14:45
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And the children. When a cartoonist villain basically said, like, who marked themselves as as a murderer, he did so.
00:14:57
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Mm-hmm. They're counting on this person. To politely arrest his best friend and the most assassin.
00:15:11
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Yes. Basically his surrogate brother-father. Yes. They're counting on Anakin to just politely arrest. They're counting on Anakin to do Jedi stuff.
00:15:25
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I figure the the only explanation here is Force-sensitive nonsense. Yeah.
00:15:34
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So he arrests him so that fake Riko Hardeen, so that Obi-Wan can be thrown into prison.
00:15:45
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Yes. Which again, this is as you said, it's face-off. We're doing face-off. We are doing face-off. And Obi-Wan does the old prove you're a badass in the prison cafeteria bit.
00:15:58
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Mm-hmm. So that he can then get put in a cell with Moralo Ival.
00:16:07
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And Ival's other cellmate is Cad Bane, who's apparently going to break them out. So we are we are once again in a very, very tiny galaxy.
00:16:21
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Yep. Where every character... And we're in prison right now. Yes. But yeah, Cad Bane is apparently going to be breaking them out.
Prison Break and Cad Bane's Scheme
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Which I can believe. He's Cad Bane. Cad Bane's awesome. He is Cad Bane. This is true. Maralo Evolve, though, has proven nothing to me at this point.
00:16:45
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Now, just have apropos of nothing, watching these episodes, I'm looking at Evolve every time he's on screen, I'm like,
00:16:58
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His facial design reminds me of a real actor, but I don't know who it is. have no idea. think he was supposed to be played by, like... God darn it, the name is escaping me.
00:17:15
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He eventually plays Palpatine in the later episodes. No, it's not Sam Witwer. no, not Sam Witwer. I mean, like,
00:17:30
Speaker
It's going to annoy me. but it's like I saw him as being like a more like classical like
00:17:39
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actor playing like an over-the-top villain character. i This isn't who I was picturing and who i i thought it was, but the the first person that comes to mind as we're sitting here right now is Clif de Young.
00:17:55
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Yeah, I can see that too. But that's not who I was thinking of. But anyway. Someone more over the top.
00:18:08
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For like, Morello Evolved, seems i would he probably would have been more endearing to be if he had like a bit more like, like like Dr. Vindy was like cartoonishly over the top mad scientist. I would have liked him to be a bit more.
00:18:24
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Well, see, here here's here's the thing with Evolved. Ival spends this entire arc talking about how how incredibly competent and brilliant he is a strategist. And he's terrible at it.
00:18:38
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And he's an idiot. He is.
00:18:43
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So I would have, again, I could have got dug into the character if he was, again, his voice is not intriguing. He just has like, Marvolo Evolve speaks in the third person. It's like, that's the only quirk he has.
00:18:56
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yeah
Critiquing Moralo Eval's Strategy
00:18:57
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Right. like, if he had a bit more of like a voice tick or something like that, he could have been more interesting. it it could of It could have made him elevated as like a character.
00:19:07
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Yeah. So, yeah you know what voice I kept expecting to hear come out of that character model's face whenever he spoke?
00:19:20
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You know on Batman Beyond, when Michael Rosenbaum would voice the one member of the Joker's gang that was doing his Christopher Walken impression? Yeah!
00:19:34
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Yeah! That's what I expected to come out of his mouth every time. So, ah yeah. ah ah Dave Filoni, back and re-dub all of Evolve's lines with Michael Rosenbaum doing his Christopher Walken impression.
00:19:51
Speaker
Or just Christopher Walken. like If you could get him. It's going to be cheaper to get Rosenbaum. Probably, becauses like but it's like, he's got Disney money now.
00:20:07
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Yeah, but it's still going to be cheaper to get Rosenbaum. Disney is notoriously cheap. That's how they have Disney money. That's true. But either way, like that that that would be like the voice. You're right.
00:20:19
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That is the voice I got i can see. like yeah
00:20:23
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but yeah Whenever Obi-Wan is asked for his name, he starts going by Ben. Foreshadowing is a literary device. ah Yes, and then we have a cafeteria scene, and Boba Fett is here, by the way.
00:20:40
Speaker
you know, Kid Boba Fett in prison. He's here. At least it continuity, because last time we did see him, when he was being put into prison. He's also a child in high-security, maximum prison.
00:20:58
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he He's a child in... Well, no, he doesn't have accelerated aging. so Then again, he did murder an entire cruiser. He is a terrorist.
00:21:11
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Yeah, but yeah ah apparently the Republic doesn't have a juvenile detention system. I don't think we have juvenile terrorist detention.
00:21:24
Speaker
Well, no, but there is still, you know, juvenile detention, you Kids are not put in adult prisons no matter what they're convicted of.
00:21:37
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Regardless, Cad Bane has this terrible you know prison system accounted for in his plans, as ah he and basically expects Boba Fett to get into his into a fight as part of his diversion, as a full prison break occurs. but didn Didn't he say that he paid Boba to start the fight?
00:21:59
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Yeah, that sounds right. Yep.
00:22:03
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I don't know what he paid him and in what form of currency and Boba Fett gets out of this somehow. So. Hey, we we we are, we are talking about a prison and we are already marking the episode explicit, but I am not going there because we're not going to published. Boba Fett is a kid.
00:22:20
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Yep. So in any case, as the group is trying to escape, they run into a locked door. And, you know, our our brilliant strategist has no idea what to do about this fact. But fortunately, they're with a je or and the Jedi. I didn't foresee a locked door in a prison.
00:22:46
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The master strategist, Maralo Revolves, like... yeah
00:22:53
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ah you like I feel like the biggest downfall of this entire episode is Ismaralla Evolve.
00:23:02
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That said, fortunately, they are with a secret Jedi, and so Mr. Ben Kenobi uses the power of Force Unlock to get through the door. Now, they they get out of the prison during this riot, but I would just like like it to be on the record That Obi-Wan at this point is an accessory in the deaths of multiple clone troopers guarding the prison that he just stands by and lets Cad Bane mark.
00:23:36
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Yeah.
00:23:40
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Like. you know he He doesn't try to come up with some you know flimsy, like, oh, hey, oh there's no need to kill him because then if they catch us, we're going to get a harsher sentence. Or even you use the Jedi mind trick, too because the Jedi mind trick can knock people out.
00:24:01
Speaker
Yeah. You'd be like, oh, I enter into the door and see like several clones on the ground. It's I knocked them out with Kung Fu. Or he could just say that he did kill them, and he he's not going to take the time to check.
Obi-Wan's Moral Dilemma
00:24:17
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They don't have the time.
00:24:19
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There's some that get knocked out that Cad Bane turns around is like, yeah, no, we can't have them following us, and mercs them while they're unconscious. And it's like, okay, ah yeah this again, this is also a sanctioned mission by the Jedi.
00:24:38
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And he's just standing by and watching Cad Bane slaughter. Yeah. Yeah, he's just standing by.
00:24:52
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And even in spite of not trying to help the clones, even at the end, Bane does not trust this Ben individual.
00:25:04
Speaker
Which takes us into the next episode Friends and Enemies, Season 4, Episode 16.
Anakin and Ahsoka's Pursuit
00:25:13
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ah A disguised Obi-Wan is hunted by Anakin and Ahsoka.
00:25:18
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ever And we start off with an Anakin-style landing.
00:25:24
Speaker
so So they crash. Yeah, yeah, basically. Fortunately, they're close enough to a location known as Pablo's Pond Shop for bounty hunting, where they can get some new outfits and weapons and like and the like. And a hat for Bane.
00:25:40
Speaker
Yes, Bane needs his hat. Bane has been operating at like 49% power. Most of that is his hat. I want a hat.
00:25:51
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um I need a hat. Cops got a hat. I want a hat too. You fool. I've only been using 20% of my power.
00:26:03
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but And almost certainly Pablo's Pawn Shop, if we want to get nerdy here, is named after Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group.
00:26:16
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the The King Nerd... The King Nerd of the Nerd Group at Lucasfilm that keeps track of all canon and continuity, both Legends and Current.
00:26:35
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like he He's got got credits in the t six RPGs. He has it in justpose of the all the visual guides. If it's He's the guy.
00:26:50
Speaker
He knows the stuff. but They have a whole department that knows the stuff, but he's like the the most stuff-knowing one. When J.J. Abrams doesn't want to make up the stuff, who makes up the stuff?
00:27:06
Speaker
Pablo. Or, well, let's put it look I'm just going to throw some shade here. When J.J. Abrams doesn't bother to consult the story group ah for things that exist like most of the other creators do, Pablo is the one who comes behind J.J. Abrams with the spackle in the form of the visual guide.
00:27:33
Speaker
And fix and put in actually he's like, this is what he's talking about. Yes.
00:27:43
Speaker
yeah Yep. I know I'm you know being oddly specific there, but... No, no, seriously. like he Basically, like all of the problems that the Rise of Skywalker has, he he did his best to fix all of those nice's in the visible guide.
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah, at this point, the gang splits up, and Bane betrays Obi-Wan and leaves him to the huts. Yeah, because they... After their escape, they they've crashed on Nalhutta.
00:28:16
Speaker
we We left out where they crashed. yeah there yeah they're They're on the Hutt homeworld. And after they get geared up, Obi-Wan's double-crossed and captured by the Hutts. But in turn, he sets the Hutts on the other's trail. He's like, oh they're over here.
00:28:33
Speaker
Yeah, unfortunately, tricks are on him the Hutts don't free him for this. No, because, well, they're the Hunts. Yeah.
00:28:45
Speaker
And so the Jedi have ah bounty ah have a bounty on with the bounty hunters, but they have it listed and they communicate that to Palpatine, who has a guest in his office.
00:29:05
Speaker
Why are you removing the bounty on the three fugitives? If they're free to move, they could lead us back to Ivaal's operation. Very well. Keep me apprised.
00:29:17
Speaker
You look troubled, Anakin.
00:29:20
Speaker
How can they expect me to just sit here and do nothing with Obi-Wan's murder on the loose? It is possible that they do not trust you to control your feelings.
00:29:32
Speaker
Ardeen killed my master. My best friend! and now he's escaping with Cad Bane and Moralo Ivar, and the Jedi Council won't do anything about it. I have it from a reliable source that the fugitives were last headed towards Nal Hata.
00:29:50
Speaker
You cannot deny your feelings, Anakin. They are what make you special. If you believe you can stop this plot against me, i trust you.
00:30:03
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Thank you, Chancellor. You won't regret this.
00:30:09
Speaker
No, I won't.
00:30:14
Speaker
Foreshadowing is a literary device. Indeed. Indeed. but said, he does eventually, Hardeen does eventually escape the huts. yeah Yeah. They do, but and they get buy a ship, and you you have a good yeah good line in here.
00:30:32
Speaker
You do? Yep. The ship that Hardeen buys is a Sory Sub luxury yacht, which lore-wise, this was the design of Lando's post-Return of the Jedi yacht, the Lady Luck.
00:30:48
Speaker
Oh, Lore Master Nick, was this the first on-screen appearance of this ship type? This is the first... first And specifically, yes, the first on-screen appearance of it and in a canon picture. So that is also two wins.
00:31:07
Speaker
But it was first ever visualized in a... in a supplement about starships and vehicles, but it also appeared in the Star Wars Galaxies video game as one of the player ships.
00:31:23
Speaker
I was going to mention the Galaxies game. I loved that ship in Galaxies. Oh, that ship is gorgeous in general. it's a it It truly is a luxury yacht.
00:31:35
Speaker
Yep. it In Galaxies, it was almost like a a space-going house because you could you could buy a house in Galaxies and drop it on a planet and then decorate it. you know you could put there There was furniture that you craft or buy and put in. Artwork, blueprints and stuff like that.
00:31:58
Speaker
and And the interior of the yacht was the same. It served as a ship, and you could get from planet to planet using it, but you could invite others to your ship if it was the yacht, and you could basically do, if we go with a TTRPG comparison...
00:32:20
Speaker
You could do social encounters and things inside the show. You can party on there. If you have like a musician on there, you can just like have a whole lot party on there.
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah. It was actually kind of cool. Digression over. Really cool. as our As our gang are leaving the planet, that is exactly when Anakin and Ahsoka arrive to the planet.
00:32:46
Speaker
And they identify Bane by his hat and have to follow after him, basically. Yep. I want a hat. um I need a hat. Cops got a hat. I want a hat, too.
00:33:00
Speaker
Yeah, but that hat did you in Bane. Yep.
00:33:05
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So Anakin and Ahsoka catch up to the bounty hunters. Obi-Wan has to keep his cover, but also keep Cad Bane from killing Anakin. So he puts a sleeper hold on Anakin and whispers, Anakin, don't follow me.
00:33:21
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And from Anakin's reaction, it's like, well, does does he get it? Well, I mean, he he knows Obi-Wan is still alive at any rate, but he hasn't put all of the pieces together.
00:33:31
Speaker
Also, this reminds me of, like, the new Rockstars meme ah where like where it has, like, the Riddler. It's like, does he know? Mm-hmm.
00:33:43
Speaker
Well, and and actually, you know what else you that came later? it It kind of makes me think of now that I now that i think of it. but in In Avengers Endgame, Bucky is alive! Yeah,
00:34:02
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yeah.
00:34:07
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But yes, as as the episode ends, we learn that Bane really wants to kill a Jedi. I mean, is this new for Cad Bane?
00:34:18
Speaker
Apparently he's already killed a Jedi because he challenged him with a lightsaber a couple episodes back. and Yeah, and and didn't he first... When he first showed up, he had already killed a Jedi offscreen? Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:33
Speaker
So I was like... oh ba that's just No, I feel like the difference here is that previous instances of him killing Jedi were incidental. They were part of the mission. this is... He wants... It seems like he wants to kill a Jedi for the sake of killing a Jedi.
00:34:49
Speaker
Not for the... For the job, but for the... For the... person but the yeah It's personal. Yeah. Or o does he just want to kill a series regular Jedi? Yeah.
00:35:01
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I mean, there's... Instead an extra... but Well, that's gonna be that's going to be pretty difficult, especially considering the cast is going after him. Yeah. I mean... Wait, wait, wait. Ahsoka doesn't make it to episode three, does he? was gonna say, one of them, you know... yeah One of them did not have plot armor at that point in time.
00:35:27
Speaker
So... That takes us into the third episode in the arc of The Box.
Moralo Eval's Competition for Bounty Hunters
00:35:35
Speaker
The Box! Season 4, episode 17.
00:35:39
Speaker
ah disguised Obi-Wan enters a competition with bounty hunters. Mm-hmm. Yes, Dooku is going to be putting the gang through a barbaric contest.
00:35:52
Speaker
During this time, Yoda tells Anakin the truth, and he says, trust in Obi-Wan. We must. That said, Bane is back at full power with a new hat.
00:36:03
Speaker
Exactly. with With a hat, he is at full power, and thus the unstoppable. Yes. And finally, we are introduced to the box, designed by none other than Moralo Eval.
00:36:16
Speaker
The only accomplishment that he has, and it's also pre... We assume that he designed it before he went to prison. One would presume. And...
00:36:28
Speaker
Given Dooku's contest, you know, so he he has a group of bounty hunters here that he's going to put them into the simulator in the box. The box.
00:36:39
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And they're told that only only the five who escape will be used for the job and the others will be eliminated. Yes.
00:36:52
Speaker
One would presume that not only did Moralo Ival create the box before he went off to try to capture Palpatine himself self and failed and went to prison...
00:37:11
Speaker
But that the failure and going to prison and bringing a group of bounty hunters together to go through the box was part of the plan in the first place?
00:37:23
Speaker
I mean... Yeah, it seems like a weird recruitment attempt. There additional bounty hunters already were... were brought in. Cat Bane kills one of them so that he can take their hat so he can become more powerful.
00:37:35
Speaker
But also, Reiko Hardeen, aka Obi-Wan, is also brought in even though he was not part of the plan. So, and the box is clearly designed because there's certain tests that only certain species can handle.
00:37:52
Speaker
So, hit Maralo of all is truly a either a criminal mastermind or this doesn't make any sense at all. Well, I mean, you to be fair, if you think about it too hard, what was Luke's plan in Return of the Jedi anyway?
00:38:12
Speaker
Because he apparently counted on them all being captured if for no other reason than because he had the foresight to put his lightsaber in R2 where it could be shot out to him dramatically when the droids were the ones who went in first to negotiate.
00:38:37
Speaker
And let's, let's be honest here. Let's be honest here. The plan of putting the lightsaber in r two that wasn't, that probably wasn't even Luke's idea. Yeah. ah because well Considering that we saw it in in the Zygerian arc a few episodes ago. That was R2's idea. That was R2 saying, have an idea. Yeah.
00:39:00
Speaker
It wasn't even Luke's plan all along. It was R2's plan all along. Mostly my opinion is like, Luke had several plans. All of them failed until the end.
00:39:15
Speaker
So what you're saying is Luke's planning is like Edgins in Dungeons and Dragons on Among Thieves.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah. You contribute. I make plans. But once there's already a plan, what do you do? Well, if that plan fails, I make another plan. So you make plans that fail.
00:39:38
Speaker
That's basically what happened because it was like I will negotiate with Java. Now send in Leia dressed up as a bounty hunter wi with Chewbacca. That failed.
00:39:49
Speaker
ah Lando will be there, but Lando won't do anything. I will go in and then negotiate with Jabba. That failed.
00:40:01
Speaker
And then R2's like... R2's like, oh, it's up to me.
00:40:08
Speaker
But Luke's, like, his whole thing is being, is, like, deceptive being, like, I have this all under control. But meanwhile, underneath him being, like, on the gangway playing to be fed to the Sarlacc, and he's like, oh, crap, crap, crap, crap.
00:40:25
Speaker
So, I wonder... Before all of this happened in this arc of stories, did maybe Evol write a book about planning and strategy?
00:40:38
Speaker
if And Luke read that book? And that's how Luke learned to strategize? Headcanon accepted. You know what? I'll be perfectly fine with that.
00:40:50
Speaker
Now, technically, Yvonne doesn't even die in this arc, so I wouldn't be surprised if Luke meets him one time be like, oh, you wanted to, here's some plans, kid.
00:41:01
Speaker
You know, i admittedly, I'm kind of set on the idea that Luke didn't make the plan in episode six. R2 made the plan in episode six. yeah It was all R2's plan from the entire time.
00:41:14
Speaker
So these these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. R2 saw the plans that Luke was making and said, hey kid, come here.
00:41:26
Speaker
How about you put your lightsaber in my head a just in case. They can launch it.
00:41:37
Speaker
Right at a perfect angle. Just in case everything goes wrong. like made all ah Basically what we're going with is Luke made all of the plans that failed based on Ival's writings.
00:41:50
Speaker
And R2 made the plan that actually worked. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. So first they're put through a trap with poison gas and elevating platforms that threaten to crush them against the ceiling.
00:42:07
Speaker
And they have to make their way through a hidden tunnel at the bottom where all of the gas is to get out. Yes. Which again, why I like this, the box so much, it it is basically just a and ah tabletop RPG puzzle.
00:42:23
Speaker
Mm-hmm. It's a table for RPG puzzle or a video game. yeah i feel like it it is notable that Obi-Wan is still playing the part of the hero by helping everybody get through.
00:42:38
Speaker
like yeah Yeah, he helps the bounty hunters one when he stood by and watched Cad Bane murder people. It is in clothes. Yes.
00:42:50
Speaker
Yes. And so then there are platforms with energy blades and the first casualty goes down. Yes, we got lightsaber pistons and Obi-Wan uses the force to detect a platforming challenge.
00:43:06
Speaker
And then after that, on the next challenge, is a ray shield. And yeah there's there's like a button there's there's like a button behind the ray shield that they have to press, and it turns out that the mushroom man who is with them, his species can become immune to ray shields if he injects a certain serum into him, but only certain parts of his species can interact with the serum effectively.
00:43:30
Speaker
And so he injects it, and he is one of the correct parts of his species. And he goes through the ray shield, presses the button, and gets them all out. Again, like, Mavrallo of all clearly knew who was going into the puzzle.
00:43:46
Speaker
Otherwise, no one would have been able to solve the puzzle. Because that serum was described as toxic. And if the Mushroom Man had died before this part, they they they would have all just been completely screwed.
00:44:03
Speaker
And then the plan can't go forward. Because there's no team. wait Who are we to to to deny the genius of Maralo Evol? Ah, of course. And then comes the final challenge.
00:44:16
Speaker
There's a flamethrower floor and a sniper test that Obi-Wan just completely annihilates. he He gets it. He does it.
00:44:27
Speaker
And the funny thing is...
00:44:32
Speaker
that this new guy reo hardine who he did not intend for the test is is is he's beating his super cool cool bar that room yeah and it's like trying trying to but come up it's like why did you put them in the test room Why did you put a sniper test in when there wasn't a sniper before Hardeen, who wasn't part of the plan, was in the group? also, Rego Hardeen is known in the Outer Rim as a skilled sniper, and it's now the skilled sniper that allegedly killed Obi-Wan.
00:45:07
Speaker
it would make him an incredibly skilled sniper, so why you upset that he's excelling at your sniper test?
00:45:15
Speaker
But, so, Dooku then throws Ivald. But who am I doing to Maralo Ivald is a genius. I keep forgetting that. Yeah. So, Dooku puts Ivald in his own box against Obi-Wan Hardeen. Mm-hmm.
00:45:32
Speaker
Yes. And Ivald, he tries to just melt Obi-Wan, but Bane actually saves Obi-Wan so they can have a real duel, because he doesn't respect Ivald's underhanded tactics.
00:45:46
Speaker
And... Cat Bane is in charge of the team now. Yep. And that's it. That's the end of the episode. where They got their team. Also, Evol
Critique of Clone Wars Arc Length
00:45:55
Speaker
died? i think Evol died.
00:45:58
Speaker
Right? I honestly don't remember. We were just talking about how he didn't die. we were just talking about how he lives through this, so I guess he didn't die. He didn't die. He just has kicked off the team.
00:46:10
Speaker
Yeah. His own team, for his own plan, for his own box... it in canon his box is used by the bounty hunters guild afterwards so he doesn't even get to keep the box yep so then we go to crisis on Naboo season 4 episode 18 Dooku and his hunters attempt to kidnap the chancellor this is where I'm going to say my piece is like you you mentioned it earlier when we were talking earlier
00:46:45
Speaker
darre I did not remember this arc being four episodes. I didn't either. And I don't think it should have been four episodes. It's kind of draggy.
00:47:04
Speaker
But... yeah Maybe they should have just skipped the second episode. Once they break out of the prison, they go directly to the box. Yeah, that that probably would have saved a lot of time. And, I mean, what while the box is cool and fun, it's not necessary.
00:47:21
Speaker
Because all you do is eliminate characters who aren't going to be on the team, who weren't in the previous episodes anyway. Here's the thing, though.
00:47:32
Speaker
The box is the best episode of these four. Yeah, yeah. The box is the best episode. But also, in terms of the arc... Nothing that the box prepares them for really matters.
00:47:44
Speaker
Actually, yes it does. there ah They have the cyber test that matters, they have the force field that matters, that's they have they have the ability to coordinate. I feel like the box actually does a pretty good job, like, foreshadowing the skills that the characters will need for the mission that's about to happen. so i ideal it What I would say, the important parts of the first three episodes could be condensed into a single episode.
00:48:15
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know if you can condense both the prison break and the box into one episode. That's quite a lot. The prison breaks should get into the box. Because again, like, Capbe gets his new hat after he kills one of the Ithorian brothers in the box episode, so... That gets simply his full power.
Suggestions for Condensing Clone Wars Episodes
00:48:34
Speaker
ah So... Yeah, mean, that's something now Hutta. Yeah, so really I think it's just skip over now Hutta. That's it. that's they They just go, wait, the prison break is one episode, the box is one episode, and then the mission is one episode. You can cut out basically all now Hutta. The only thing that now Hutta does is establish that Anakin still wants to kill the guy.
00:48:56
Speaker
So see, i I think you can condense... You can get rid of Nelhudda, and you can condense the first episode in the box into one, because the newsreel is already doing heavy lifting, setting up the whole arc in the beginning of the first one.
00:49:13
Speaker
So, you pick up... After... Obi-Wan's the newsreel goes up through Obi-Wan's death and funeral.
00:49:25
Speaker
You pick up with Anakin tracking down and arresting Hardeen, quote unquote, Hardeen and sending him to prison. The halfway through the episode twist is instead of us knowing Hardeen's Obi-Wan, we reveal that halfway through the episode.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah, you you reveal it when he gets the comm link and calls Mace. I see. I can see that. It still be its then it wouldn't be ideal, but I can see it.
00:49:57
Speaker
You shorten the prison break, and you do that in part by taking out the explicit shots of Obi-Wan standing by while Cad Bane commits murder after murder after murder.
00:50:12
Speaker
and make it Make it more clean because it's it's meant to be a prison base break. That's right. that we that's what It wasn't meant is like it was supposed to be a prison break that was clean.
00:50:24
Speaker
And then the box you condense by eliminating the competition portion of it, take the superl superfluous characters who aren't going to be on the team out and have the box be an actual simulator rather than a competition. It's like, okay, here are obstacles that you are going to encounter on the mission.
00:50:49
Speaker
Practice getting through them. And then we can still have the fight at the end because Dooku is just a dick. Yes. but we is more like but problem It was more of Moralo of Val is petty. Dooku I'll allow it.
00:51:06
Speaker
Yeah, so that's how I think you could condense them and make this a two-parter. Yeah, I guess that could work. But i definitely, I think we can all agree, like, four episodes was not necessary.
00:51:19
Speaker
e Yeah, definitely. yeah definite go Going into the actual fourth episode now. yeah Anakin has faith in Obi-Wan. He believes in his master.
00:51:32
Speaker
He's starting to believe...
00:51:36
Speaker
Palpatine is going to Naboo because he's going to preside over the Festival of Light. e And I tell you, every time that phrase came up in this episode, I heard in my head Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song.
00:51:55
Speaker
And the opening line, Hanukkah is the Festival of Light. Oh, no. Instead of one of the presents, we have eight crazy nights. That's from A-T-A.
00:52:07
Speaker
Oh, i I've only seen that like a couple of times, but I still remember that song. ah It is on our Christmas playlist.
00:52:19
Speaker
Right before No Doubts, Oi to the World. Beautiful. Yes, that said, ah we we have a Cad Bane moment where he goes, hello there. ah Yeah, he he stole Hardeen's...
00:52:33
Speaker
and And you know Hardeen is standing there going like, hey, that's my line. Meanwhile, General Grievous across galaxy and be like,
00:52:49
Speaker
Everybody is getting to use Obi-Wan's line. Cad Bane says that and halfway across the galaxy ah Grievous goes, General Kenobi.
00:53:03
Speaker
General Bane. Wait, that's not right. yeah yes Then I have Dooku with the Bounty Hunters. so yes yep He's addressing them. He's getting them ready. and the holoru I think you mentioned it too, Darrell. The holographic disguises.
00:53:21
Speaker
Yeah, they're they're pretty cool. of it Is this in the RPG? Yes. It's in Nose Integrations. ah Why did I never notice this? Because i it would have come in really handy for my spy character.
00:53:38
Speaker
They're really nifty.
00:53:41
Speaker
But, you know, I do kind of like that throughout the episode there's the effect that since they are holograms, they aren't foolproof and every so often, you know, since Star Wars holographic technology is kind of finicky.
00:53:54
Speaker
yeah yeah Especially like, especially like, especially like at this point in the timeline, full color.
00:54:03
Speaker
and they Usually you have the blue blue the blue haze is usually like the default, so like full color is finicky. Makes sense. Mm-hmm.
00:54:16
Speaker
So yeah. Then we get Ahsoka bodyguard. She's guarding the Chancellor. Yeah, Palpatine and the Jedi arrive on Naboo. Anakin is Anakin.
00:54:31
Speaker
And Ahsoka and Padme totally have his number. Anakin, Ahsoka, welcome to the festival. I've never seen the Festival of Light.
00:54:42
Speaker
Sounds like a big event. They're expecting a large crowd, which means it will be difficult for Dooku to attack during the ceremony. That leaves the palace as the best opportunity for an ambush. Are you that certain an attack is imminent?
00:54:55
Speaker
I'm afraid so. Which is why I'm making Ahsoka your personal bodyguard. At your service, my lady. If there's trouble, Ahsoka will get you, the queen, and the rest of your staff to safety.
00:55:05
Speaker
What about you? Hopefully, I'll be where I always am. He means saving the day. Of course he does. Of course he does. Of course he does, because he's not... Anakin will always save the day.
00:55:20
Speaker
Anakin has main character syndrome...
00:55:24
Speaker
Not helped by being the main character. This is true. i do want to put in a word here about the animation model for Palpatine. Yes, there is absolutely a little bit of exaggeration and caricature to the design as there is in the entire art style of Clone Wars.
00:55:44
Speaker
But as he's about to make his speech the festival, his facial expressions absolutely nail Ian McDiarmid. Nice. His facial expressions look like... As the series goes on, like yes, as as you mentioned, that they are like there these are exaggerated character models. like like Count Dooku is obviously based on the late Greats.
00:56:14
Speaker
great character actor that played him. His chin was not capable of cutting open a battleship with his beard.
00:56:24
Speaker
But they they did great do a great job of like modeling their facial expressions to look like that's how they those characters would speak, even in this exaggerated art style. Yep.
00:56:36
Speaker
And then we find out, oh, so the Festival of Light celebrates Naboo joining the Republic. And the light part of it is literal because they shoot fireworks.
00:56:47
Speaker
Got it. I thought it was going to be some like spiritual thing and and there was going to to it. I was hoping the Gungans were going to come out with the peace orb again.
00:57:04
Speaker
and you know I thought that there might be you know some you general rough correlation to an Earth holiday. Kind of like you we we mentioned the Star Wars holiday special at the top of the show.
00:57:18
Speaker
oh it it began as kind of a Thanksgiving analog, but over the decades, it has been shifted throughout the lore and the fandom to be more of a Christmas analog.
00:57:31
Speaker
It's pizza mix of both. i I thought the Festival of Light might be similar, that there might be an it might be an analog for an Earth holiday.
00:57:43
Speaker
But no, now it's just an anniversary of joining the Republic and there's fireworks. I guess it's 4th of July then. But that would be Empire Day.
00:57:56
Speaker
Sure, that's Empire Day. Everybody loves Empire Day. Oh, I'm sure. So yes, at this point, we get to the action where Obi-Wan is being the sniper.
00:58:10
Speaker
The Mushroom Man takes out the shields. And they they start attacking and they try to try they try to start kidnapping the the Chancellor. That said, Anakin uses a hologram disguise to hide the Chancellor.
00:58:25
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So, among all the chaos, they can't find him. Then, Dooku betrays the group, and Obi-Wan has to save the Chancellor.
00:58:36
Speaker
His undercover actions finally coming to fruition. At that point, after rescuing him, Anakin becomes Palpatine's main guard. And then we have a duel. We have our... What is like our fifth duel between Dooku and Anakin?
00:58:56
Speaker
I think that's a little bit later still. but The whole thing's kind of comical because Palpatine is captured and rescued and captured and rescued. In a matter of minutes. respect It's like, you know, Kiefer Sutherland's daughter in the first season of 24. Oh, yeah.
00:59:15
Speaker
It's like, how many times was she kidnapped in 24 hours? i it seems I actually watched a ah group of individuals, did they did a challenge where it's like they would only watch the previously on segments of season one of 24 to try and figure out the plot.
00:59:36
Speaker
The daughter got kidnapped eight times. In 24 hours.
00:59:46
Speaker
Incredible. Because i did did you I've never watched 24, but did you ever watch it or at least know what the conceit of the show is? mean, I know that it's a real-time show where it takes... Allegedly. really yeah Yeah, it's, you A 24 episode season, each each episode occurs in real time. So each episode is an hour in that day.
01:00:12
Speaker
So tof yeah, in the first season, his daughter was kidnapped multiple times. Eight times to be exact. Based on that video that watched where this group of individuals were trying to figure out the plot of 24 season one just by watching the previously on segments.
01:00:29
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:00:31
Speaker
but yes, as it seems like, ah you know and know, I hope you don't mind me getting back to the episode. No, go ahead. As it seems like things are cooling down, Anakin is angry about being lied to about the whole Obi-Wan situation.
01:00:46
Speaker
Yeah, he's not exactly happy. Big man. You look terrible. Being a criminal is not easy work. If I'd known what was going on, I could have helped you.
01:00:57
Speaker
Too bad the council didn't trust me. Anakin, it was my decision to keep the truth from you. I knew if you were convinced I was dead, Dooku would believe it as well.
01:01:09
Speaker
Your decision? Look, I know i did some questionable things, but I did what I had to do. I hope you can understand that. you've lied to me. How many other lies have I been told by the Council?
01:01:22
Speaker
And how do you know that you even have the whole truth? Foreshadowing is a literary device. Yep. Mm-hmm.
01:01:33
Speaker
Spoilers. I mean, there's a... butre lucky We're lucky we don't have Betsy here. Otherwise, we'll be getting our ears talked off. Because see, Patron has some feelings about that whole line.
01:01:45
Speaker
Yes, yes. This seems like about three paragraphs worth of Betsy action. Yes. Oh, three pages. Mm-hmm. who And so... And one of the pages he didn't read up, but just pure vibes.
01:02:00
Speaker
Yes. And so Obi-Wan thinks that something still isn't quite right, so he goes to check out his sniper's perch where he finds a comlink in the gun case.
01:02:11
Speaker
Dooku was listening in and knew everything that was going on all along. And so... Dooku ambushes them and...
01:02:23
Speaker
He and Anakin get into another duel. Yes, there we go. and and Yes, and at this point, Obi-Wan helps with the rescue.
01:02:35
Speaker
Right, and during all of this, Palpatine's looking on with an oddly satisfied look on his face, which I'm sure it's nothing. Foreshadowing is a literary device.
01:02:47
Speaker
Yes. It is perfectly normal. Yes, but at the end everything is back to normal.
01:02:59
Speaker
yeah Except Anakin's big mad because yeah the council doesn't trust him. I'm sure that won't come back to haunt anyone. And Obi-Wan's like, everything's fine.
01:03:12
Speaker
Everything's fine. Yep. everything Everything's fine. you know, I'm an accessory to murder, but it was all in a good cause. And I betrayed the trust of my son, brother.
01:03:25
Speaker
yeah i point It probably assisted in helping him realize that the jedi council is kind of sketchy at times But this would not lead
01:03:44
Speaker
But yeah, we, we already talked about this a little, a few minutes ago, but I totally remembered this story, but thought that it was tighter, like two or maybe three parts. Definitely not four.
01:03:57
Speaker
I can see it as three, but the way you, describe we discussed it earlier, like I can also see it as two. Personally, I would prefer it as three just to give little bit more time to breathe. I think three would be more.
01:04:11
Speaker
Four is too much. Mm-hmm.
01:04:15
Speaker
Yeah, the Nelhudda episode didn't really add anything like do it. The one thing that it does, the one important thing about Nelhudda is that Anakin learns the truth about Obi-Wan, which didn't need to be Nelhudda.
01:04:33
Speaker
That didn't need to be there specifically. It could have been during the escape from the prison. Yeah, you know, there there could be... Anakin goes to try to...
01:04:45
Speaker
help with the prison break. You know, help stop the prison break. They have a confrontation on the ship. ah got like Even the ceiling of the ship could be part of the prison break.
01:04:57
Speaker
All of that could all be sort of condensed into that. it It feels like we saw more of Hutt's society because of that, and that's neat.
01:05:08
Speaker
But we didn't even bring that up in any of our analysis because like it just wasn't important. It wasn't part of the story. yeah I mean, I feel like if they wanted to show us more of Hutt's society, they could make an episode for that specifically.
01:05:23
Speaker
Yeah. But it's like, this was just like, it was more or less just like a weird, like, okay, we need to stretch out the episode. And again, Cad Bane gets a hat in the episode, but then he takes another hat in the box episode.
01:05:40
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So it wasn't even like a... You can't even give it like, oh this is the episode where Cad Bane gets his hat back. No, he gets a new hat in the next episode.
01:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, it's... I don't have anything... It's not a it's not a bad arc, but it's like, it definitely could be condensed and made a little bit more streamlined.
01:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have anything against the arc. i I remember that it exists. I remember the major beats of it. And there's some fun beats. The holograms, the the box. The box is still probably the best episode of the whole arc.
01:06:21
Speaker
the The box a lot of fun and for our own personal purposes and and hobbies and enjoyment, it's a great tool that could be plopped into an RPG.
01:06:38
Speaker
Yes, this is true. Tons of fun, like weapons, gear, equipment, stuff like that, settings.
01:06:46
Speaker
And i do appreciate that it continues the theme of the Jedi theme.
01:06:59
Speaker
bending their ideals because of the war but it doesn't really explicitly tie this round of sketchy stuff and them going harder than they have before into consciously sketchy stuff to the war and to i mean yeah they're doing it to save the chancellor but even if they weren't at war and weren't being used as soldiers, they would still probably be tasked with trying to protect the Chancellor from a kidnapping plot. Yes, this is true. yeah I will say something that I noticed is I talked about how the box foreshadows the way that most of the characters are going to be used in the final episode.
01:07:49
Speaker
ah You know, I talked about, you know, the sniper section, talked about the ray shield section, talked about them getting the, being able to work together, but some there's five of them.
01:08:01
Speaker
And I only remember three. yeah Like I, obviously I remember Obi-Wan is there. Obviously Cad Bane is there. And obviously the mushroom man is there, but I don't remember who the other two are or what they do or what their skills are.
01:08:17
Speaker
And also, again, you have to remember that Reiko Hardin slash Obi-Wan was not meant to be part of the plan.
01:08:29
Speaker
Yeah. And Maralo Eval is just like dumped from the plan entirely.
01:08:37
Speaker
See, now now I want to bring Maralo Eval into a session of the RPG. Hey, like...
01:08:46
Speaker
like I don't know what... He needs to redeem his character or anything. you it He just needs to be... He just needs to do something. Our band characters are going to defeat Moralo Evol.
01:08:58
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Yes. With the power of rock. Oh, Nick, i have i have I just had a thought on how we can do it. I'll talk to you offline. Yep.
01:09:10
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But I think this is a good time. I think that's all we have to say about this episode, right? Yeah, I think so. The box was cool. Oh, the box is cool. The box is cool. Everything else is kind of cool, but not... It's not bad, but not great.
01:09:28
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The second episode didn't need to be there. Probably not. Yeah. It did not. But unless we have any other parting thoughts on this...
01:09:40
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I'm good. i will I will say thanks for joining us for Casual Nerdity. ah Next time around, if scheduling works out, we will be revisiting the world of comics rather than the next Clone Watch.
01:09:55
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01:10:16
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01:10:31
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01:10:45
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Oh, yeah. So thanks again for listening and we hope you join us next time. Until then, so long. but by Bye. Bye.
01:10:57
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