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Young Justice Season 2 Finale Ep 19-20
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We finally tackle the climatic and harrowing conclusion to Young Justice Season 2: Invasion!
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Introduction to Young Justice Season 2 Finale
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Welcome back to another exciting edition of Animation Deliberation. It's the podcast where we take action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. On this episode, we are finally tackling the final episodes of Young Justice Season 2, AKA Invasion. So stay tuned for that right after this. What's up? Just crying because it's the season. You're invited to take a vacation.
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Take it away, my friend. Sing along, if you know the words. It's animation, deliberation, conversation, and a celebration of a favorite action animated series. Yeah. Woo. Well done. Well done.
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Well, welcome back, folks.
Emotional Reactions to Season Finale
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It is another episode of Animation Deliberation. I'm your host, Jay Scottie St. Clair, and I am joined by the man with the golden pipes there, Zuhair Ali. What's up, Zuhair? How you doing, buddy? These last two episodes actually have me overwhelmed. Yeah, right, right, yeah. There's always a time to be whelmed, and then there's a time to be underwhelmed, but season finale time is the time to be overwhelmed, and man,
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the show continues to deliver in that regard. It's just, it's so well done.
High Viewership and Cancellation
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The episode, episode 20 endgame had 20.051 million viewers on March 16, 2013. That's nothing to scoff at for an animated show. That's, yeah.
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And the only other episode that hit the two million mark in the season was episode four, salvage. Oh, okay. Interesting. I'm trying to remember what happened in salvage, but that was quick scroll.
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Anyway, but it just kind of goes to show it, even though it got that many viewers, the show still subsequently got canceled. So we've already kind of had that banter back and forth how you were the one that was kind of right there in the fields when the show was coming out, having to deal with this awful news that it got canceled, lying out there in limbo without having any idea where this was going, and then how awesome it must feel when the show makes its triumphant return.
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Yeah, it was a it was a heartbreak and me being the asshole that I am, I was telling other people to watch the show, not telling them about that either so that more friends in the immediate area would suffer just along as well as I did. Yeah. So I'm sorry to all those people who I dragged along with me, but it was a very emotional time and I needed people to be empathetic with me.
Show's Hiatus and Return
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It happens.
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Yeah, so this show ended in March of 2013 and season three did not come back until January of 2019. Wow. Wow. If you were a DC Universe subscriber. Well, I mean, that's, yeah, that's enough time for like a, an adolescent viewer to like become an adult. Yeah. That's, that's just crazy. Yeah. I went from college to a few years in my career by the time span of this show finally coming back on.
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Wow. Well, I mean, you mentioned how emotional it is and it really does pack an emotional punch. And this is kind of interesting for us because other than our debut episode where we tackled the first two episodes of Young Justice season one, most of our coverage has covered at least three, four, five episodes, sometimes upwards of like six episodes. So it's kind of nice to be able to dial in
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on these two episodes specifically because they were excellent episodes, some of my favorite episodes.
Praise for Episodes 19 and 20
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And I loved how totally different they were. Episode 19 Summit felt like a season finale in a lot of ways, especially with the action. We got so much action and it was so good.
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I loved all the reveals. It was such a good moment for the team. Vandal Savage acknowledged that he had underestimated them for all these years. It was such a great episode for Aquaman, or excuse me, Aqualad.
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He's been one of my favorite characters since the beginning of the show and he went through such an incredible journey this season and for him to have that epic triumphant moment where he basically puts not only the reach but the light in their place and tells them how perfect they are
Character Relationship Resolutions
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for each other. Man, oh, so good.
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Yeah, this episode 19 summit really did tie up a lot of the loose ends and questions that we had about the season. Because as we know, there's a lot of mystery and a lot of great cliffhangers. And 20 just kind of seems to be that we're just going to add one more catastrophe to hope that we get renewed. But the episode itself was really, really well done, really detailed, a lot of emotion, a lot of extra
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I've said it multiple times that this show did things before MCU made it cool and in the summit we had the conclusion to a lot of the big things that were happening and in the episode called Endgame we see the aftermath of these events and
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all the tension of people supposedly dying and relationships being broken, but we get to see the encounters between the people who were heartbroken and the people who thought they lost someone, like reunite and actually get to talk it out and deal with the issues of it. And it was really beautifully done. We had Beast Boys dialogue of no more pretend debts for another year, at least.
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Which yeah, I love that line so much but another one that was really big for me is when then when they were going for the nodes We had Lagann and Aqualad finally they were paired up on their mission and it was like oh you trust me now He was like I always trusted you why do you think I let you take my place? But like those moments were such a big thing because because Lagann wanted his head at one point Oh sure
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Yeah, um Beast Boy was like celebrating the fact that Miss Martian almost killed him like there was a lot of stuff that happened so being able to see those interactions between our heroes before this Catastrophic event in the middle of what could have been the end of their lives was really beautiful to see and really well done on the creator's end of things and
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Mm-hmm, yeah, 100% agreed.
Aqualad's Journey and Victory
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And one of the tropes or common threads of any comic book or comic book adaptation, and we've already even seen it in this show, is the whole fake out death trope. And it was done to such great effect multiple times in this episode with Aqualad and Tigress,
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Rachel Ghoul basically just rips the the glamour charm right off of Artemis right in front of everybody and then Deathstroke subsequently shoots them right then and it's such a shocking and effective moment like yeah the light takes care of their own and you believe it
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But then obviously it's revealed that that was McGann. We find out that Aqualad actually took out Deathstroke before all of this happened, which kudos to him because we've already talked about how competent a fighter and how awesome a fighter Deathstroke is in this universe. So that just gives even more credence to Aqualad. And I mean, he did have that awesome showdown with his father. And I love the line like, uh,
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What was it? I believe that was fairly ruthless, Father. I hope it made you proud. Like, so good.
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Yeah, my first note actually was I love how Deathstroke alone could go toe to toe with Black Beetle, but you see Wonder Girl and Superboy not be able to overwhelm him at all. Oh, sure. And yeah, it was McGann, which is arguably even more impressive. But when you thought it was just Deathstroke, it was like, wow, like we've seen our favorite heroes like struggling. And even afterwards, like they came up and he just grabbed Superboy and threw him into the ceiling. And I'm just like,
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That says a lot about Deathstroke skillset. Like, holy crap. Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. And you brought up Black Beetle, and talking about the fake-out deaths there, Black Beetle basically just impales Raechel Ghul when the relationship between the light and the reach is just completely deteriorated at this point. I mentioned how Aquilad mentioned all their machinations and conniving nature and basically,
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constantly undermining each other. It was such a great and poignant moment. I think one of the themes of the episodes and one of the themes of the show is, again, Aqualad got so many great lines and just such great character moments when he says, we value our friends. You guys don't know what it is to have true friends. We value our friends.
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and that's when you get the awesome reveal that every time Vandal Savage thought he had the upper hand it was just like more and more of those of those ninjas were just undercover agents yeah we get everybody comes out of the woodwork and starting with Blue Beetle Tim Drake and Cassie which I love seeing that budding romance and I loved how
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They planted the seeds for it right before you got that scene where you clearly see them holding hands. And then I think it's Connor that asks how long they've been a couple. Yeah, it was so cute. Before that, there was the scene where they were talking. I can't remember exactly what they were talking about. But if you look like towards the bottom of the screen, it's clear that Robin's hand goes towards her. And it's clear that they're holding hands. It's just off screen. But really, really well done. Yeah, I love this show so much.
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Can we can kind of focus on this moment a little bit, just the dialogue between the light and the reach at the beginning of the episode? Because it was a really cool conversation. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, I think there was a lot of a lot of loose ends and being able to see like you think that they have this alliance and Lex Luthor is like pro reach. But then we find out that the light indeed actually has been sabotaging the reach the whole time. Like, yeah, they invited them in to kind of like get what they needed out of it.
00:11:09
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Right. But it's impressive and terrifying how much they orchestrated controlling the team and the leaf and getting them to do what they wanted throughout this whole season.
Intergalactic Politics and Strategy
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Yeah, it's coming right off of the end of season one. It's kind of funny as the episodes are coming back out and I've been able to go back and listen. It was something I didn't pick up on at the end of season one, but Vandal Savage says,
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Phase one is done time for phase two So I mean I just you got to wonder what's happening obviously we left vandal savage in a very very crazy place on apocalypse, but That was that was just such another great scene where Nightwing is looking at his friends and kind of like how this new team is gonna operate with him out of the picture and he's just like He sees alpha beta gamma. They all have their their duties and he's just like business as usual and then you get the mirror and
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of Vandal Savage on Apocalypse with Darkseid of all people and yeah, business as usual. So what the hell does that mean? What involvement has Darkseid had in these entire proceedings?
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Yeah as much as they have these little subplots throughout the series there really is just one big storyline that's constantly going through and it's something that's just like really fun to keep track of like from the beginning to here like there has been just one objective
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that we don't even know what it is from the light. Right. And there's been one thing that the team and the Justice League have been fighting, which is really cool that they get to operate out of the same watchtower now, and Batman even says, like, you guys earned this. Yeah, yeah. Batman didn't get a ton of screen time this season, especially in comparison to last season, where he very much was a, you know, he was the guy that gave them their missions every episode. He took such a backseat this episode, even in the trial scene.
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Um, you know, he was really just kind of in the background. That was a great moment for McGann and Superboy's relationship to come full circle as well. I kind of described it as a galactic law and order. Yeah. Cause you got, you know, icon doing his damnedest to try and do this thing the right way, but it's just an insanely corrupt tribunal and it takes the, the imagination of, uh, or I guess the ingenuity of McGann and Connor to,
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You know, paint the fact that if they deliver justice here and now, they'll basically just open themselves up to more bribes in the future. So really, really nice book in for them. You know, they, they started the season at such a weird place with McGann being with Ligon and, you know, Superboy just.
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kind of reverting back to his old ways in terms of just kind of being silent and and and keeping to himself so and two things based off of what you just said one of them being that we get to see a lot of what intergalactic law and treaties and how much these things have been going like before the time of man like we find out that the scarabs had a presence on earth for the longest time right we find out that there's guardians of the galaxies but there's also the green lantern core and that they have like certain jurisdiction like
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Hey,
Themes of Sacrifice and Impact
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the Justice League is free and everything, but the Guardians can't go back until Earth officially says that they don't want to reach there anymore. And that was a huge factor. And I talked about this a little bit in the last season, but just to kind of reiterate it now, the trial scene kind of showed that Superman is the face of the Justice League.
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But Batman's always been the one who calls the shots. Like, it is like a co-leader. Like, I guess, I mean, I guess they have like this chairman now, which is the dialogue that Captain Adam said. He's like, Correct. Yep. Man, it's targeting me and the chairman. So Black Canary, you can do it now. Like, bang. Yeah. Wasn't that right after we got the reveal that Lex Luthor was being appointed to the U.N. and Superman's reaction is great. He was. You got to be freaking kidding me.
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He was so mad. Like, if that wasn't a hologram, he would have punched the TV. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But... It's like, ah, Luther, you sneaky bastard. Well, speaking of Luther, I mean, he set himself up perfectly to be in that position with the whole...
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So basically the end game that Black Beetle puts into place because he gets taken out fairly early in the episode. I mean, obviously we had the big skirmish that we referred to in Summit where he and the scientist escape and he rightfully leaves the ambassador there. I love that moment for the ambassador to get his comeuppance.
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Um, but yeah, he basically deploys these things called MFDs magnetic field disruptors that are, you know, in kind of typical pseudoscience comic book sense. They're basically just disrupting the magnetic field of the earth and creating all sorts of natural disasters and will eventually destroy the earth. But it is Lex Luther who with his relationship with the reach, he's already developed anti reach software.
00:16:28
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So, I mean, yeah. Oh, that's that's when I think maybe that was when Cassie and Tim had that moment when Cassie was kind of like, dude, are we really going to trust Lex Luthor? And then Tim was like, it's his world, too. Yeah, I love that. Wrong. Like, yeah, that's what you've alluded to it. But that is what's really great about Lex Luthor in general. And definitely this version of Lex Luthor. I mean, more often than not, we've seen him allied allied with these heroes pretty frequently.
00:16:57
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And he's always charming as hell. Yeah. And somebody's got to be the face of that rescue and he wasn't going to let it be Captain Adam. Right. Yeah, exactly. What was really cool was that they said that it was 40 heroes working together in that scene. Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:17:15
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Well, you knew there had to be a lot because Tigress and, or I should say Artemis at this point, Artemis and Kid Flash's team was Omega. And I think that's the first time we've heard Omega because, who was it? Artemis goes to check in and she's like, Omega squad report. And then Wally comes in for a kiss. And then the person on the other line is like, I think we got a little interruption there. Omega, Omega. I think there was a Theta squad too.
00:17:45
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Oh wow, okay. Yeah, I remember hearing another one that kind of threw me off a little bit. Okay. Interesting.
00:17:53
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But I did want to kind of circle back to, I brought up that whole theme in the previous episode about the death tropes and the fakeouts. I'm going to cut you off. Sorry. One more thing. We talked about the combos. It was Artemis and KF and then Aqualad and Ligon. The last duo that we got to see a little bit of was Black Lightning and Static Shot.
00:18:15
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, which was a cool opening to mentorship. We find out that the other misfits just kind of retired. Arsenal wanted to do his whole thing, but Static actually joined the team and has a mentor to train under. And that was really cool. And while we were on the topic of duos, I just didn't want to skip out on that.
00:18:31
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No, no, I am glad you brought that up and it was great to see, but I can't help but to think of while we're on the subject of black lightning at all. Vandal Savage effectively beat Shazam, Black Canary, and black lightning and just basically threw them through, was it like a boom tube? Or was it a Clarion's portal that opened up? I can't remember.
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Yeah, it was just child's play, just threw him through. Yeah, yeah. So that just goes to show. And then Kid Flash had that great moment too, where he revealed himself to Vandal Savage, and he's like, hey, Vandy, you miss me? But on the subject of Kid Flash, that is one thing I wanted to circle back to when I was talking about the death fakeouts.
00:19:11
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All the ones that we got in the previous episode including Rachel Ghoul Because you know his his henchmen Ubu says the classic classic thing that we know about Rachel Ghoul He's got the the Lazarus pits and he's got the capability of resurrecting himself. But anyway, those fake outs are you know juxtapositioned against Kid Flash's ultimate sacrifice and
00:19:36
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That's when you realize, you know, this one's for real, like this one's not going away and as much as you want it to go away. And it all happens so quickly. It's like as as Kid Flash is realizing it, Barry's realizing it and Impulse can only sit by and watch. And I guess it was the scare. It was the first one to pick up on on what was happening. But yeah.
00:20:05
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And during episode 19 when the team was like sabotaging the summit,
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Kid Flash and Impulse were running together and Kid Flash told him, it's like, hey, me and Artemis are going back into retirement. I expected you to be wearing something more red and yellow. You should carry on the family tradition. He passed on the mantle like the day before he died.
00:20:39
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Pretty much, yeah. And it all comes full circle when you see him don the clothes. And Artemis gives him that seal of approval and reveals that she's going to change her moniker to be Tigers full time just because Artemis was Kid Flash, was Wally's partner.
00:20:57
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She wants to try out, you know, being Tigris and she's like, uh, impulse says as a hero. She says as a blonde. Yeah. I like that. Um, I liked that kid flash went out with like a joke too. I'm forgetting what the line was now. He's like, Artemis is so going to kill me for this. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was like, tell my family, like just tell my parents and.
00:21:22
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Well, yeah, he just said just tell them and I love the fact that like I mean it is implied But Barry didn't have to ask tell them what is the first thing when he sees Artemis He says he wanted you to know that he loved you
00:21:35
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Yeah, I like that that Barry got a little spotlight in this like he handled the science end of it. He was the first one on scene. But it was it was just really sad that he had to see his his protege just die to save the world.
00:21:53
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Yeah, yeah. And I hate to circle back to a more lighthearted moment when we're talking about such a heavy and poignant sacrifice, but when Barry did arrive, there was that great line from Lex Luthor where he's like, or Barry says, like, what do we do now? And Lex Luthor says, run. He's like, hey, I'm not a quitter. I didn't say run away. I said run. Yeah, I love that so much. Yeah, it was cool. It's one of those things where it's like, I love that the show
00:22:23
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Highlights the league and it just makes me want more miniseries based off of like the league itself I know it's supposed to be around the quote-unquote sidekicks, but it's like this is some of the best Storytelling for the league members I've ever seen too. I just want to see more of that
00:22:41
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Yeah, yeah. And you kind of alluded to it before, but yeah, yeah, we get the confirmation. I mean, yeah, Batman says it's not just because Mount Justice was destroyed, but you have earned the right to work here side by side with the League, and Icon said it too, and McGann and Connor too.
Team Dynamics and Leadership
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The League owes its freedom and its reputation to you guys, so.
00:23:03
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And it was kind of quick, but we've had two instances where there's like a small group of the team and the Justice League like comes flying and surrounding them. But when the league comes back from RAN, they were in the remains of mountain justice and it was the team that was coming in to greet them. And I was like, Oh, that's such a beautiful flip. Yeah. Yeah. Superman had that moment. Are we too late? Yeah.
00:23:30
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Which kind of echoed Kid Flash's, or I guess it wasn't Kid Flash, it was Neutron that we saw in the future that realized like things hadn't completely changed. And on that note, I'm actually kind of surprised we never revisited Neutron because what the last time we saw him was when the runaways made their break and he flipped the security alarm on them, right?
00:23:58
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He was in the runways. Yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, he was new. He was like the, he was like the one when they were still in the facility at star labs. Yeah. He was, yeah. He was the one that didn't leave with them. Yeah. I kept wondering who that was. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Nathaniel neutron. I can't remember his last name. That's what happens when I try to binge like six episodes the night before. Oh, you're good. It's like right down the key details. Who is this?
00:24:30
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You're good, man. And that's why this is a team effort. Exactly, exactly. I've been a little scatterbrained in some of my coverage as well. And on that note, I did want to kind of switch back to something. When we were talking about the sacrifice that Kid Flash made, there was another sacrifice in this episode that was a little less or so
00:24:49
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but gave me, it hurt my heart for a second. I thought Green Beetle was completely gone. I mean, I do mourn his scarab because Green Beetle was so cool having the beetle powers with the Martian powers, but I'm glad that Bar's oom is still around and still kicking because even in that like final mission, I think it's Alpha Squad that's going to Mars to help him, but I was definitely concerned that he was dead for a second until,
00:25:16
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Blue Beetle, or excuse me, Black Beetle gives his line about that meat being particularly difficult to kill. Being able to survive the separation with the scarab.
00:25:28
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He was part of the 40-man team that was taking down the machine as well. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, when they did that pan of everybody, he was in the back. It's been a while since I've watched season two. I think I've watched season one more than anything. Like I mentioned in our last episode, I'm actually getting to the point where it was foggy what happened.
00:25:50
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Oh, yeah, and I actually thought that he did die. So when that happened, I was like, I don't want to watch him die again, because that that shriek when the scare dies, like I actually gave me the heebie jeebies. I didn't like that one bit. And we had to hear it twice.
00:26:06
Speaker
Um, so I thought that he did died and that was like a mis-recollection on my memory. So I'm glad that he's still alive. The other thing that I forgot was actually the whole light encounter with the reach, like the meeting at the beginning overall. So when, when Aqualad and Tigris got shot, I was like, I don't remember that. Like, how did they resolve this?
00:26:30
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Yeah. And the other one was, um, Ra's al Ghul recognizing that Tigris had the charm. And I was like, Oh no, I forgot. I actually don't know what's happening right now. He did. What did they actually foil the plan? Like what? And she just walks over and rips it off of her. And like, I know I've watched this a million times before, but like my heart rate still went up on that. And I was like, Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Like what's going to happen?
00:27:00
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I don't remember any of this! It was so well done.
00:27:03
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Like just as much as I had tears coming up in Kid Flash, like that one I clearly remembered. I've been dreading it since we recorded like episode one of this season. Um, you know, so, you know, that one hit me real quick, but that just shows how good this show is that even on a rewatch, you see these big moments and like you cheer when the team comes in or you freak out when the villain does something bad. And it's just, it's just such a well done show. Oh yeah.
00:27:33
Speaker
I imagine if you're listening to this podcast, you've watched these episodes. Otherwise, if not, I highly encourage you to do so because I'm just spoiling everything for you. That's right. That's right. I'm glad you like the sign of our voices, but watch the show. Yeah, that's an excellent point.
00:27:53
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One one other thing I wanted to mention up mention is something I had a few questions about so I guess we finally Well, I say we got confirmation that G Gordon Godfrey is with the light I mean, I I suspected it for such a long time But I think it was when Aquilad was like basically breaking down how they were undermining each other's sides He says that the light swayed public opinion against
00:28:23
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the reach and then it shows that clip of Gordon Godfrey. And then not only that, Gordon Godfrey is the one to announce the removal of Senator Zing and the appointment of Lex Luthor in his place. So I need to look up that voice actor too, because he reminds me of Tim Curry, like Tim Curry and his heyday, like home alone to Tim Curry, just like so smarmy and smarmy and
00:28:54
Speaker
Seems like he's just eating it up. It actually is Tim Curry. Oh, wow. Awesome. Good ear. Thank you. Um, I didn't get that. I thought he was just, um, a popular show host that was just kind of calling things as they happened and changing side to whatever made his story sound good. It made the viewership go up. I didn't catch him as being part of the light at all.
00:29:20
Speaker
Well, maybe I'm wrong. Like I said, it still hasn't exactly been spelled out, but it just seems like his alliances and the things that he says against the League and for the Reach or against the Reach at any given time seem to line up perfectly with what the Light wants, but he's never been on one of those monitors. Speaking of, a character that I was largely unfamiliar with was Brain, that robotic,
00:29:48
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Brain thing like impulse had that moment where he basically just like took all the guns off of him and then he got tackled by Gorilla
00:29:55
Speaker
He showed up in season one a couple times. Okay. Especially the one episode where everybody was questioning if Aqualod was supposed to be the leader because he was keeping secrets. Okay. When they were on that island in the dark, like Brain and Gorilla were like the two villains of that episode. And he's been like in the light meetings a lot. I think that's where I primarily remember seeing him. Yeah.
00:30:26
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He was definitely on the monitors in the light meetings. I think he has a German accent. That would stand to reason like a Werner Herzog thing going on. I would like to see the baby.
00:30:45
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Yeah, I don't know if I have anything too terribly much more to say about these episodes individually, but if we just kind of want to talk about the season as a whole, it seems like a good time to do that.
Season Story Arcs and Themes
00:31:02
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Obviously, Aqualad was a major character. We mentioned the relationship between McGann and Connor coming full circle.
00:31:17
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Blue Beetle was definitely a focal point for this and even in that final scene where you got almost like the narration for the Scarab and he's like, you finally did it, the reach is leaving, the people that tried to control you, you overcame and basically sent them packing.
00:31:38
Speaker
Just, yeah, really, really nice to see the maturation of that character. Like he started off like super comic relief and he still got that lighthearted feel to him a lot of times, but he definitely had a lot of gravitas in certain situations. But the relationship with the Scarab from him being like this weird guy that's kind of like talking to himself and people are confused about what exactly he's doing conversationally to that epic moment where the Scarab took out Black Beetle Scarab and then that narration I just referred to, so.
00:32:08
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Well, I also like the dialogue on that scene where the green beetle's scarab died because it was being suppressed.
00:32:20
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The reason that Blue Beetle overcame Black Beetle was the dialogue of we used to fight over control, but now we're friends and we're united. It's us working together. And then that's when you see them fight back to Black Beetle, which is, it was, it was really cool. It was very, um, Hulk and Endgame like, like, wait, why are we fighting each other when we can like actually work together and be a better species? Yep. Yep.
00:32:45
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I like it. Good analogy. We got to see the whole like beginning the end of this character in one season and it was just really well done. Oh, did you see that red arrow was in the lineup with Arsenal? I did notice. Was Cheshire with him there too? I'm not sure if I saw him.
00:33:12
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I definitely noticed both versions of Roy, Arsenal and Red Arrow. It's nice to see Arsenal back, even though he's still clearly dealing with some baggage, and I have to imagine he probably had some off-screen gripes about Lex Luthor being the guy to supply the anti-reach software. Yeah.
00:33:39
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Yeah, the two, the little red arrow brothers and the soup family. Who would definitely love to take turns just pounding on Lex Luthor. Rightly so. Rightly so. Mercy Graves will have her work cut out for that day. Oh yeah. And Otis as well. Can't forget Otis.
00:34:05
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He was the head of security. It was in that episode where Arsenal had the epic fight with Mercy in the parking garage and then eventually gets surrounded by the entire security force. He was the head of security there, Otis.
00:34:20
Speaker
Yeah, he's useful. But yeah, I mean, other than that, Nightwing did an excellent job commanding the team, even though he may have taken some extreme measures in terms of the covert operations and espionage that was happening. But obviously, it was super effective, and it's taken a toll on him. And that moment that he has with Calder, and it's like, you know, in the episode prior when Aqualad had just
00:34:50
Speaker
come out victorious over his father, and you can tell he's not relishing the victory. It's a bittersweet victory for him. Kid Flash and Nightwing are there right by him.
00:35:03
Speaker
telling him all the things he accomplished how great he did and reminding him that it was those three that started things like when they went off to Cadmus five plus years ago and then to come full circle I did notice like in the final episode it was July 4th so we're a full six years
00:35:21
Speaker
removed from from that first episode yeah as the reach was leaving the planet uh cat grant says this is a very special independence day because correct yeah yeah the dialogue regarding that i thought that was really cool yeah but then just to have you know calder and nightwing having that moment and wallie's not there and
00:35:43
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Calder can totally understand. He fights him a little bit saying how useful an asset he is, but he completely understands when Nightwing brings up Wally and how close they were. Yeah, he tries to play it off where he's like, oh, no, you're better suited for this. He's in front of everybody, too. So he's like, you're better suited for this. You take the role. It's like, no, I insist. It's like, dude, take the break. I need the time off. Yeah.
00:36:06
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and you know this whole this is another thing that i had forgotten but this whole season i've been mentioning um batgirl's leadership skills and how she's been able to like pull through in tight situations and take the reins and when when the leadership starts to collapse and you can see that recognized as well which like i said no scene goes unnoticed in the show
00:36:30
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My night week even says like if you need backup like Barbara's more than capable of being your right hand for that and I thought that was just awesome that somebody of her caliber was being Recognized to actually lead such a large team at this point
00:36:46
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Definitely hope that we get to see more from her in future iterations. That's the thing, after there was such a big shakeup between season one and season two, and given the amount of time that took place between the production of season two and season three, I'm really, I'm a little scared about
00:37:10
Speaker
how season three is gonna start things off for me. Am I gonna have to say goodbye to a lot of these characters that I became very endear to in a short amount of time? Even the ones that, yeah, we didn't get to spend incredible amounts of time with Batgirl, the moments that she did get really counted. I'll have to bring up Mal and Karen as Guardian and Bumblebee. They didn't get the most screen time, but they got some great development, and I'll look forward to seeing them again.
00:37:38
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I will just let your speculation rain. That's, that's the, uh, that's the through line of this show. Yeah. I'm looking at a couple of, uh, things from next season to kind of refresh my memory. And it's like, it's gut wrenching already. Well, um, I, I think that'll probably, uh, wrap up our conversation here, unless you had any other, any other things you were, you were dying to get off your chest as your hair.
Speculation on Future Seasons
00:38:07
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Oh, do you think all the, like the people who were living in the warehouse because they lived in Mount Justice, do they have a room on the watchtower now or? Well, in the case of like, so who do we have? Beast Boy for sure, McGann, Connor. Ligon. Okay, Ligon. And then I guess Mal was kind of, maybe he patched things up with Karen, that's still TBD.
00:38:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I don't know for most of those characters Well, I guess chiefly McGahn with the with the bio ship transit to and from Earth wouldn't be that difficult if they lived on the watchtower but you know traveling great distances never seems to be too much of an issue between the zeta tubes and the bio ship and what have you so
00:38:58
Speaker
and between like four or five people that need living arrangements I'm sure Bruce Wayne even though he has nothing to do with the Justice League could swing a couple bucks for a department yeah maybe some uh send them some devil's devil's food cake as well well
00:39:20
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Yeah, I think that'll wrap things up here. We did have another five-star review that I will let Zuhair read as soon as he's ready. We got a five-star from TIFF1015. I am a huge fan of all the DC shows on The CW. I heard about Young Justice a while back, but it didn't interest me at all until the recent recap of The Flash, mentioning Kid Flash was to join the series.
00:39:49
Speaker
This sparked my curiosity and decided to take the plunge. I actually started watching Young Justice last week and was thrilled when I heard about this recap podcast. The series is amazing. I was blown away by the animation and it felt so real. Plus the storyline is great. Drama and comedy, thumbs up.
00:40:06
Speaker
All of these comments are expressed in detail in this podcast. It's really nice to hear someone has the same thoughts as me for the series. Keep posting those episodes. As of today, I'm done with season one and the time jump in season two is a bit confusing. I need answers, big green amount. That's music to my ears and especially appropriate considering we are covering season two right now.
00:40:35
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Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much, Tiff. Thank you for listening, and we appreciate all the great feedback we've been getting so far. Thanks guys for listening. Really hope you have enjoyed this coverage of Young Justice season two, and look forward to Young Justice season three, as well as Young Justice season four. It hasn't been announced as far as a actual premiere date, but we know they've gotten a lot of work done on it, so it has to be coming soon. On top of that, we've gotten the
00:41:01
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Excuse me, right now we're covering an awesome show called Invincible on Amazon Prime. I'm sure if you're a fan of animation, you've heard plenty about that. And we also have a lot of other great shows just around the corner. We're going to be teaming up with the Star Wars Universe podcast to
00:41:18
Speaker
Tackle some bad batch which will be dropping in the first part of May and then later on in May we have modox So and then always in the back of my mind I know is you hair is is waiting for the day that we do my hero academia So we have yeah, we have no lack of content But again, we love this stuff just as much as you guys so whatever whatever your desires are what you want us to cover let us know For me you can follow me
00:41:46
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00:42:08
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00:42:35
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