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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm ben glauser
Jarrod Dyke: Let's get to it. We got lots to cover. First of all, this is going in me right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: as is this going in
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Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: The boy's about to be very busy with auto -nations kicking off, and I'm sure many of you that are gonna be participating in the game like we will be, will be looking over at, um well, I'm gonna play it, aren't you?
Grumpy Old Prop: okay
Grumpy Old Prop: What? You will?
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah, I'm just being.
Jarrod Dyke: We're gonna say, okay, did that lose something here?
Jarrod Dyke: um But yeah, so make sure that you buy that, because he'll be busy, and make sure that you read the official articles too that that are published by that man, because It'll be good and he's worth it. Okay. Um, and then of course, no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life concerning a certain territory this week that, um, yeah, people just suck about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, ah yeah, there was that this is really about that douchebag who felt that so actually a couple things, people are being douchebags everywhere, if you haven't noticed. um So I actually and I'm just gonna add an extra one that we didn't talk about.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay, go for it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, so one was, uh, first off, we have to laugh at, um, Bob's Burgers voice actor, Jay Johnston, who who got sentenced to a year in prison for his role in January 6th.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, hilarious. And, uh, just a total, like, kick in his own pants. Um, bye, dude.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Later.
Grumpy Old Prop: Second, the, um, shitbird who decided to say, uh, to call Puerto Rico a, um Floating pilot garbage.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, there's an island of of floating garbage in the sea, you know, whatever in the ocean It's called Puerto Rico. What the fuck dude? This is at ah at a Trump rally, of course Which is actually the like the fucked up thing that really wasn't I mean that was just one of the offensive things said it's just gotten the most attention and
Jarrod Dyke: Of course it is. Where else would it be?
Jarrod Dyke: that they that I saw that reel. I was just like, Jesus, these guys just don't let up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's that's like just an opening act. um I think people just stop like we're so shocked.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: They kind of mostly don't think the decent people are going to stop watching. Although why the fuck would you watch it anyway? But at the same time, that's fucked up. And um it's but this is where our politics is.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's fucked up. And then the last one was um there is a Muslim journalist media son who um
Grumpy Old Prop: obvious for obvious reasons is is against the the genocide happening in Gaza. um And he was on CNN with, you know, on a panel talking about that this, you know, all of the situation in the Middle East that the basically the all but open war going on. um And one of the other panelists asked him if, ah you know, oh, just be careful if your beeper starts going off.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: which is just unbelievably fucked up and CNN was like, they they kicked him off the panel.
Jarrod Dyke: that's my
Grumpy Old Prop: um They like went to basically went to commercial and kicked him off and were like, he's never coming back on. But here's the thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: like I say these three things, you know they're they're not separate, they're all connected. And ultimately it's that our, you know, government and media infrastructure and ecosystem is basically okay with that. Like it's, yeah, the guy's a dick for saying, you know, i but I'm talking about this last guy um for saying something like that. But why the fuck is CNN saying, you know what? Someone who says stuff like that is they should come on our show. They should be on this panel. Like there's so much of this, we have to give equal time to every side.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, well, if one of your sides is like, yeah, is bigoted and genocidal.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't want to give time to racism.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I'm sorry, we've, we've heard enough of this for decades. right They're not saying anything new because they never have anything new to say. so why are And it's because we're platforming, because we're saying, hey, this is a...
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yes, they kicked him off, it doesn't matter. He got to say it before he they kicked him off. His job is done as far as he cares. He doesn't care if he gets invited back. He did his job. People will see it and people will be like, oh, okay, that's a valid thing to say to somebody.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, like he's right.
Jarrod Dyke: Right, which is really the fucked up thing. Like really the fucked up thing in the end.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like our, like we, we shouldn't be, you know, tolerating this kind of stuff. I mean, I stopped watching media like that a long time, not well, fairly long time ago.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, somewhat, you know, in the grand scheme of things recently, but enough to be like, wow, that like, yeah. It's just they have too much of shit like that on where it's like, oh, well, there's that side of it, too, I guess.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, no, that's not a valid side. That's not reasonable. It's not good. It's not something we should aspire to. um And it's not something we should really platform.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: And like, you know, we're talking about, you know, see, that there's just a pretty straight line to people, you know, um organizations like CNN putting that on on the um on the air to Douchebag, who thinks it's okay to call Puerto Rico pile of floating or yeah an island of floating garbage, to Jay Johnstone getting sentenced for trying to overthrow the government.
Grumpy Old Prop: like that All these things kind of line up.
Jarrod Dyke: there's There's dots there, guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: And and so that's why we say don't discriminate, and that's why we we we do this segment, because like it's because we allow certain things you publicly
Jarrod Dyke: Connect them.
Grumpy Old Prop: that empowers the people who do who do bad things. And we got to stop that. So that's why don't be a dick. Don't allow dickery. And yeah, just right.
Jarrod Dyke: Fuck racism racism and fascism and all that shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Allow no dictum of those of those guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed. Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Make sure that you grab our Patreon. and well We should have a seat sheet sometime um after the Autumn Internationals here. so now that we got Now that we've made it to that break, um we will have that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although it does have a lot more to do with the fact that my coaching season is all the over a little bit more of that, but kind of all the lines really well.
Jarrod Dyke: and then august well A but little bit of this, a little bit of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: So let's go with that.
Jarrod Dyke: So, um, but yeah, in the in the meantime, I will do my best to get, um, ah I'll do a kind of a bigger boom bus type of thing today. It just like basically analyzing who's done well, price wise, so on and so forth this week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, PWR sheet will go up. We're not, um, those that might be listening all the way to the end. We don't have a fancy corner this week cause we're not, there's no start sits or anything like that because we're not going to do it for autumn internationals.
Jarrod Dyke: So if you need advice, please feel feel free to email us, add us all that good stuff. But, um, you know, so there won't be that either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, we'll be talking about the, um, we will be talking about the autumn internationals on the Twitters. We'll put out maybe our teams or something.
Grumpy Old Prop: So if you have a question.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, probably that would say it's probably reasonable to do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So other than that, um, yeah, make sure that you gri and pick it up. Cause once these, once this sheet comes out, it's going to be real handy. Promise. Especially if you're like me and struggling.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're like me and
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also struggling a little bit. Although I had a really good week this week, so I'm pretty happy about that.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, let's say you're not, you can't be that far down.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh wow, 14th in the US.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you're doing a billion times better than I am right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's good. And seventh in URC in the US.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, that's.
Grumpy Old Prop: What is up with that? I'm sorry, i just I'm just starting the URC. What is everybody else's excuse that I'm...
Grumpy Old Prop: Although I know enough of the players anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: It's the US. That's why it's the US.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's true. Fuck. That is exactly the yes. All right, fine.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's move on.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the, the answer is Alex.
Grumpy Old Prop: Damn it.
Jarrod Dyke: Cool.
Grumpy Old Prop: I like my answer of just I'm a genius better, but you're probably right.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh,
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Sadly, that's probably the answer. I hate to burst that bubble of yours.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, well.
Jarrod Dyke: Although I'm very good at bursting bubbles as such.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, and I am very in need of my bubble being bursted. We are friends for a reason, people.
Jarrod Dyke: I suppose so. ah Yeah, there's ah there's a kid that I've been working with. He's a middle schooler, but the kid's got a fucking ego out to here. like
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I've been flattening that thing out the whole time we've been working together. He so he was like, I could do a bear crawl with a cup of water on my back. Oh really? I went to the kitchenette, got a cup, filled it with water, put it on his back, not even half a step, everywhere.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Nope.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, guess what your job is now?
Grumpy Old Prop: Clean it up.
Jarrod Dyke: Clean that shit up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. I spilled water on my goddamn floor. Clean it up.
Jarrod Dyke: So you spilled water on my on my f freaking um turf, freaking mop that shit up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Oh oh yeah. i Yeah. Outside? No.
Jarrod Dyke: He was unimpressed, to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Don't spill water on my turf.
Jarrod Dyke: He yeah he hasn't made quite such a you know lofty allegation again. So, but yeah, I love to do that shit, man. It's fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho, let's see. We got, yes, we got, oh, we we have PWR. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, a wonderful match that it was. I mean, first off, Leanne Infante, I, i e we're out of words, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Golf clock to that wonderful, wonderful player. um Yeah, I think all the words have already been said about her and and what she's contributed to. Rugby in general, but so certainly Saracens as well, and for her to be able to wrap up her journey with the series is nice.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And to have 95 friends and family, like that's, that's awesome.
Jarrod Dyke: That's wild, I was like, wow, that is a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Great turnout for, yeah. just Well, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That is a lot, folks.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that that's why you know we we we have our obviously our our speculation that we won't share because it's complete speculation um as to to you know the the you know relatively early retirement. um And that would make sense to have all those people out there because it's like they know that what you know she's kind of sacrificing to do um now. And it's like, yeah, it's good to to show appreciation because it's you know for all of them too.
Jarrod Dyke: Always. Yeah. like Yeah. And the list of people she's like, yeah, people I haven't seen in a long time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: She's like, yep. All right. And they all, they all obliged. I was like, yeah, that's impressive. And I think it speaks more a lot to who she is as well for them to sit, especially if there's people as such that haven't seen her for a while, even if they somewhat kept in touch and like, yeah, totally.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'll be there. You know, it's, it speaks to who she is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, you know, wonderful person, sad to lose her, but, um, she'll do well in whatever she's going to go do next. Promise you that, uh, to the game, um, girls were passing against the wall for a wee bit here all the way up till
Grumpy Old Prop: Absolutely.
Grumpy Old Prop: a little bit yeah
Jarrod Dyke: a little bit after halftime, even.
Grumpy Old Prop: h
Jarrod Dyke: And ah even I think Osterberry sent it this week, like, yeah, we were we were told we were in a lot of trouble with this match and they clawed it back and and dug themselves out of it. And um I don't think that Meg Campbell gets nearly enough credit at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: And she gets a lot of credit actually, but I still don't think she gets enough for the work she did previous to the WXV being finished and now even.
Grumpy Old Prop: A little bit. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, yeah, I'm just wondering, um, does we know Poppy is, uh, it's kind of out of favor with a national team.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know how you get, I think you're going to have to sit sound if you want Marley Packer back on the field because you can't sit me Campbell right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, I'm, I'm almost of the opinion that it's her that should maybe sit for Saris.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not against it. I'm not against it by any means whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because especially like she's she's your your sub ah either way rotating the four of them No No, no, I mean there's the the the hooker to flanker pipeline is not short Right
Jarrod Dyke: Shouldn't work out too poorly. I know she's usually a hugger, but really, what have we lost with her being out there?
Jarrod Dyke: like
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And I mean, I think right now she has break glass in case of emergency, the hooker, because they're just going to let field run for as long as she feels like honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Then why not? Yeah. So if this gets her on the field, then.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. So yeah. Let me Campbell do it and keep doing it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, it's not fair. The fucking glosser has Matthew's answer and all the croft on all the crop trials. Like. Fuck that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I can't be mad at it, but fuck that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, that whole team, that' they're just stat. Like Maud Muir is just beastly.
Jarrod Dyke: She's a nightmare.
Grumpy Old Prop: I, I, I definitely remember like when, when that, you know, she kind of came on the scene and like people were just talking cause she could play anywhere in the front row and it's like, okay, all this, yeah like, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, I've heard it, but let's see it. Um, okay. I can shut up now. Like I see it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's no, there's no denying that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and not that I was denying it before, it just, I didn't, it there was like a ah really hard sell and that automatically makes me, um, a little suspicious, but damn.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause we've seen some of the people that the RFU have promoted over the years and continue to promote. So, um, no, she's the real deal.
Jarrod Dyke: She is. She is.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, Aldcroft and Matthew, like the and three of them plus, you know, all the others.
Jarrod Dyke: She is.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. When Becky gets healthy, she's, she's, she had surgery. So she's not, she won't be out there for a bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, another one that had surgery that probably won't be out there until after the season's over his breach. But, um, I liked Gemma Joe, honestly, like I, I think the first match she was me finding her feet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And I know she's played, she's she has played plenty. I'm not, not totally fucking spacing on that part, but like, just, you know, knowing
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Kind of that you might have to fill a really big gap and they still have Lottie, what's her new last name, Sharp.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: um They still have her as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, let's still clap on the PWR site.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's that's not good. I know ah know the TNT um graphic actually had it right, so that was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. of
Jarrod Dyke: um They were on top of their shit, PWR, get on your shit, dude. do him ah But anyway, yeah, I like a lot of what I've seen of her. Obviously, she got it herself Indipator this weekend.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, lots of good. I thought Rosie Galligan had a really good match as well. she but She looks great. um Not missing a beat coming back. Yeah, and and then you we got the the Canadian contingency as well.
Jarrod Dyke: That's ah but's let's holding it down.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Did we keep Paige Fairies or we did she walk? but Losing my mind.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think she lost. I think she lost the chance to you left. I think I remember her signing elsewhere.
Jarrod Dyke: a
Jarrod Dyke: That's not right.
Grumpy Old Prop: She's not a Worcester Warrior.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, it says, no, no, that's wrong.
Jarrod Dyke: Disagree. um Maybe something on her socials they'll tell us.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh no, it's a new set. She's hanging with back of the sires.
Jarrod Dyke: She did, okay, maybe she's banged up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So that'll be good to to be able to throw her out there along with Lottie.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mhm.
Jarrod Dyke: Gemma, you know, Gemma Joe as as we sex Corrigan. I am so excited about her. um They'll probably have to, you know, they may have to move Gregson back into 14.
Jarrod Dyke: Sorry, Emma Hardy, you're you're taking a seat.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mhm.
Jarrod Dyke: um not No offense, but you're taking a seat. um Because Gregson's played too well and needs to be on the field anyway, you cut it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yes
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, I think that's how it goes. I think that's how it's gonna go. So Yeah. Well, well done to the so series women, the, you know, the top of the table, they're going to be going down to shit house place down there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Sandy buck crack and take on undefeated, undefeated team down there. So I'm, I wish that was the thought. We're not going to get it. Maybe we can find a live stream for the weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think it's on YouTube.
Jarrod Dyke: Is it going to be on YouTube?
Grumpy Old Prop: I think it's going to be on the tubes of you.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, please. i I really want to watch that match. So hopefully it does. Cause I know, I know the game of the week we're going to get here is, um, lester game next week but the who thell they playing she finders maybe
Grumpy Old Prop: Hold on.
Jarrod Dyke: um losing my mind I mean, probably losing my mind, but there's no denying that. Um, they are playing trail finders. Haha. Look at my memory. All right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Notice, yes, that is the game of the week there. It is DT and T and D sport. And yes, it um the PWR site does say you do.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I see the YouTube ah above the XR series. All right. Sweet. Cool. I love it. I like it. I love it. I won't finish that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Please, please.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's do us all a favor and not finish that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's leave that to the professionals.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah um All right, let's go to Friday Night in the Prem. Bristol, finally winning at home. The home has been not really happy for them right now.
Jarrod Dyke: ah they lost They lost that one tough one to both us and to Gloucester.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm cluster her pretty yeah
Jarrod Dyke: harper Gloucester, glosster my brain's still on to PWR. To Gloucester. And finally find a ah find a little bit of joy at at home and and get the job done, which is which is good.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm sure Pat Lam's more than happy about that. And yeah, kids keeps them in the top four as we go into this break.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah and they're They looked good doing it, too um That was a pretty solid um solid victory and and against a mostly a pretty solid side i mean outside honestly like there's a couple people in that lineup that you know two to be precise um maniana uh vanua wow actually did that um and george make piece cubit like and george didn't play that bad um and neither did uh maya not mayana vanua fuck
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Atta boy.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Man of a new uh, you're welcome.
Grumpy Old Prop: Thank you. Um, that's my first time saying it. So I, I just should have, I should have practiced.
Jarrod Dyke: We'll get, we'll get him there folks, I promise.
Grumpy Old Prop: I apologize. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: We'll get him there eventually, I promise.
Grumpy Old Prop: but yeah, like, you know, having a new 10 though is, is always going to be problematic, but, um, yeah, which is why, you know, I don't count this too much against saints because yeah you've got mostly a ah veteran lineup, but the 10 really is the straw that stirs the drink and.
Jarrod Dyke: It makes it, it makes it hard.
Grumpy Old Prop: a little clunky one and not that he, you know, what he's not Finn Smith. Sorry. um I don't think that's as, I don't think that's as big of an insult as me mispronouncing my, my own opinion, but, um, yeah, the same time, but on the other side, how about, yeah okay.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Jarrod Dyke: No No, probably not He might have been I mean not that
Grumpy Old Prop: So is, is Revovo what this team needed?
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause he reminded me, that was a very Raja Raja like performance from him.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. Yep. Yep. Let's look, um, looked like the guy we fell in love with when he was playing for the Drua. So yeah, no, I, I'm yeah, he definitely got off to a very uncomfortable slow start, um, last year, but now that like, that's his role.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, he doesn't have back a tower in his way anymore.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I think that was, I think they over relied on Vakatao and said like,
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: letting him go.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, when when that guy stumbles into your lap, it's not something you don't sign, but at the same time, as you said, don't lean on him so hard.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, maybe that's more the point. But any in any case, yeah, and Williams is hurt. So this is going to probably be, yeah, we'll see. I'm assuming Benard will be fine once the Nationals are over here after.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I mean, my question is, does William see the field again?
Jarrod Dyke: Probably as a sub, only because you can play 10 -2 and they don't have a backup 10 right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Exactly. That's that's what right. That's what i'm thinking is that he's now there they're like he'll be there 22 Um And the other grandona uh showed well too, um, we saw santi do very well benjamin Yeah acquitted himself well
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. I totally agree with that. Yep. Yep. So yeah, good on bears. Good on Pat Lamb. I'm, you know, I'm excited to see that. And yeah. Yes. Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Joe Batley gets to join the list of players that will probably never see an England cap that are so damn good.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's so fucking good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: he I can't believe he's not getting a sniff. um also Also, we got to see what happens when you when you actually have threats, and also you still have Steven Luitua, because he was just like he was in places where, they like again, Bristol needed a player.
Jarrod Dyke: but We can play some of these idiots the for the billionth time over.
Grumpy Old Prop: So um yeah, good on him.
Jarrod Dyke: i just That's just that veteran that veteran brain is.
Grumpy Old Prop: It really is. And sometimes it's like, yeah, when when they're kind of clunky, he's just another guy. But as soon as you give him a little bit of space, he's um special.
Jarrod Dyke: Absolutely. Yeah, no, he's, he's a wonderful player.
Grumpy Old Prop: he's one of He's like an NBA shooter who like can't make his own space, but you scheme him open and he'll just rain freeze.
Grumpy Old Prop: But in rugby, he can't make his own space. But if you give him space, he's gonna light it up.
Jarrod Dyke: He does a lot of good things with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: He really does.
Grumpy Old Prop: He'll do the rest.
Jarrod Dyke: No no doubt. No doubt. What's our, um, let's Let's, we don't need to spend a ton of time at the Kings and Queens home.
Jarrod Dyke: um Do we?
Grumpy Old Prop: No. Disappointing. No, it's disappointing. I mean, like, it's just a shame Newcastle, like, kind of didn't show up till the very, they can score till the 68th minute. It was like one of those, yeah, we got some, we get we get on the board, like,
Jarrod Dyke: Like the little giants moment.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And that's great and all. and But Gloucester didn't... I mean, ah it's hard to say that you didn't particularly impress me. They scored 36 points. um But this is also kind of a get -right game for them. They'd lost two in a row. So they needed it. And um this was an opponent they kind of... And also, I thought they played any differently. It's that they played an opponent that really wasn't ready for him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And I mean, coming off the high of winning their first game in a long time, you know, it's it was kind of keyed up to be a letdown in a lot of ways.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's, you know, you got to figure this just might have been on the cards, this type of thing going on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um This is a lot. You know, i'll I'll give Dimes credit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Jarrod Dyke: He's really trying for some stability in that pack and trying to pick a
Grumpy Old Prop: -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: a similar pack most weeks, which can help. It's obviously not helping that much, but it can help. Um, they, I agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just the problem his problem is the personality he's got to work with at the moment. That's all.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's a, guys walk.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's going to take him a little bit to get settled because as we saw, he came in and was like, OK, we have all sorts of wrong pieces here. You're gone and you're gone and you're gone and you're gone. And we got to like kind of rebuild from where we got.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then the problem is we had they had like four guys who were like, well, I'm just going to sign somewhere else. and So between all that, like, you know, the the intentionally getting rid of people and the, um, you know, losing people in ways you couldn't control.
Jarrod Dyke: and a couple other guys are starting to jump ship too. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's, um, yeah, they got, they got a ah little bit to do.
Jarrod Dyke: Just a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, ah let's go to the rec. So because this was the team that was the topic of discussion when we had this little chat on the social media about whether or not 25 plus points was a lot of points.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I did the numbers over the first six round.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: 3 .8 on average teams, winning teams had 25 or more.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, the first six round on average. Some weeks it was a lot. Some weeks is all, it was all five.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Some weeks it was only a couple, but on average, so almost four teams, almost all, but all but one score 20 winning teams to score 25 and a half.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: So almost half or no, almost all. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So score at least 25 or more.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, Overall, almost six score 25 or more. So more than, almost more than half the league, definitely half the league, almost more than half the league.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was, it was all five this week.
Jarrod Dyke: there were There were six this week, it was all five, there was six total, it was all five this week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The only round where it was really kind of meh was the first round.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which that's the first round of rugby that or any sport.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, shocker of the day, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Right, so to answer the question, It's the floor. It's not, it should not be your average and it should not be your fucking ceiling.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Sale.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Although i I got to say, and we'll, we'll come, you know what, I'm going to wait for it later. butll I'll bring that up later when we talk about the other team that's like this. And like, ultimately, a lot of these coaches forget that this is a game of who plays the best rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it's a rugby match. right It's not a, it's not a, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: a pound you match. It's not a who can execute the best forward crash over you know as many times as possible over 80 minutes match. It's a rugby match.
Jarrod Dyke: Spoiler alert, it's still Thomas Dutat.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yes. um that's And that's the problem when when you know you actually play rugby, those kind of things tend to work.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Grumpy Old Prop: um But it's like you have to do the other stuff too.
Jarrod Dyke: You do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And the sale team isn't built, isn't built.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, you know the. the No.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's, and it's not, um, organized to do, you know, expansive rugby that it's ah now kind of a requirement to play.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, they they do have. They're there, I will say they're back three's got a nice bit of depth to it, but really. Who's getting it to him?
Grumpy Old Prop: The, and that's, that's the problem we see with the other team that we'll talk about later is that, okay, you have a back three. That's great. Who, you know, and in, you know, in this case, Dan Dupree is back.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's, that's awesome. But I don't know. Is he, it's been a while.
Jarrod Dyke: He's one, there's one fucking guy.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's going to end as one guy.
Jarrod Dyke: He's one fucking guy too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, you know, can't sit there and say, yeah, that's totally, that's totally gonna be the solution.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like.
Jarrod Dyke: Like um part of it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah you look at one through seven and you're like that's basically the same guy all the way through um and that's not yeah and then you look at how bath
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Like they hype, they're, they're hyping up Dugdale. I don't get that.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah yeah I don't get it either. like look at Look across the way. right You've got three front rows who are just solid front rows. You got two locks who are like, you know what?
Grumpy Old Prop: well We're just going to smash some people. And if we get to carry, we're going to hold the ball and smash some people.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, to have two, like to have two is okay, especially at this level, like at club level.
Grumpy Old Prop: and
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, you have two in your pack that are just smashers.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You can live with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Especially when you have fucking Ted Hill, Guy Pepper, and Miles Reed, not to mention the reserves. Like, yeah, Roo and Malonia have jobs, specific jobs to do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they're that that you know they're that kind of specialist, obviously along with you know the the props and whatnot, because that's their job too. But like, the Flanker's job is to get to you know to run to space.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Speaking of which, have have you met Ted Hill?
Jarrod Dyke: Have you met Ted?
Grumpy Old Prop: like
Jarrod Dyke: ah um Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: ah I'm not sure anybody has, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The way he just doesn't get any recognition, and we'll talk about that shit in a little bit too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, he got called up.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: At least he got called up today.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Oh, du you can call it today?
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm pretty sure.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. You know, there's other problems that we can need to discuss, but yeah, okay. Could be worse. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. There's no silver lining for the sale team. Like you're telling me, you're telling me that two curries and a Ford, I gotta turn this team from where it is to top 14.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, not even, because they don't, they're not, again, they're not attacking players.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't believe that for a second.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're purely defensive specialists, which is problematic because that whole team is defensive.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there's not an attacking bone in either Curry's body. like but one There's not one little cell in there that says attack.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, you so we saw the other, we saw the other week, if you give them the ball, they, you know, as much as they, they like to take the ball from the other team, they also like to give it back when they've got it, which is not,
Jarrod Dyke: Just shucking away.
Jarrod Dyke: but ah
Grumpy Old Prop: oh I can here yeah it's like you take this ball it's like almost um water boyish here you take this ball so I can tackle and take it off of you like no just hold on to the ball
Jarrod Dyke: Eat the ball, Curry's. Trust me, that's your best asset.
Jarrod Dyke: A little bit, a little bit. yeah ah and That's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause that guy's just going to score. Um, but yeah, there's, it's very, very disappointed in, in Sanderson. Um, and that grows every week.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is not, come on, you're better than this dad taught you better than this.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Well, dad didn't fare so well either this weekend, but
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, but dad's got an excuse.
Jarrod Dyke: my My thoughts on this are as soon as I found out like spill with stepping into 10 having just signed this week and ah Late enough that they couldn't even get a fucking number on his back.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. They had two guys with no number.
Jarrod Dyke: I Was like, wow, that was a really late call then so with that, you know, we were in it and the spirit the boys showed and this being a season that we're not we're not supposed to do anything so
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, and I still kind of have the somewhat of a mentality like that. I'd like to not get our ass kicked, which we haven't yet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So always was good. You know, and some of the boys played well, some of the boys played like poop. And I think that's fair.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But, you know, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, I think they know who they are.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's, you know, it's kind of problematic that again, that's not problematic, but look at how, look at what the Sarries were without. And then you look across the way at what Lester were without.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's really not much that they were missing.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: What, like Jack Van Porphy. Yeah, Chasm. Well, he's out anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Yeah. i heard And then and Martin.
Grumpy Old Prop: And George Martin. but I would take, you know, just just a Toji and um Earl alone. It's like, yeah, okay. And then, like, Piffletti a lot, but he's not right.
Jarrod Dyke: He's not either of our usual starting hookers by any means whatsoever. Yeah, I mean, his lack of his lack of game time clearly showed because of the throws.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And also, like, that's not, you know, they still had some good play.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, I don't think that's a question.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, they still have, and they have some international still, like Gonzo. um ah Theo, Maui, like Cindy, they've they've got guys who can play at that level, Tomo has.
Grumpy Old Prop: um so But I mean, they're not, you know, Andre Pollard or Parisi, um and then Watson and and Brown, although it's been ah it's been a spell since since they were really...
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Brown played this game?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, here's the fullback.
Jarrod Dyke: We share about that?
Grumpy Old Prop: Pretty sure he's listed on the, on this.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: He was, he was listed on the, um, in the introductions and he's on.
Jarrod Dyke: Christ's sake, yeah. Are you thick? What's wrong with you? It's a joke.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, fuck i' dude. It's been a long day.
Jarrod Dyke: i i didn't i just ah That's more the point. i didn't I don't remember seeing him more often than not.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, gotcha. That's fair.
Jarrod Dyke: You know who I do remember seeing and he's, Growing on me slowly, but steadily is Joe Woodward.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, he's not bad.
Jarrod Dyke: No, he's he's got this in town in there for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: He played pretty well, yeah. They were talking about him like a Clive Woodward, I guess.
Jarrod Dyke: Without doubts.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it's like, I wanna know, okay, they're like, oh, he's not related to him, but but what about there's been like what about Jason? Like, is he related to Jason? Like there's there's been other Woodward's around.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's the more important question because I don't want to be related to Clive Woodward right now. He's a helmet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So no, no, no pass on that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, like that's a good thing. What about the other Woodward's? I wanna know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, more important question.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, I mean, listen, credit to Lester, they fronted up, they did the job that they need to do that was in front of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think all they did.
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, there's, there's many players that did, did well for them. And there's no question about it. You know, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like Parisi was like when did he did, I thought it was hilarious that he got the.
Jarrod Dyke: Parisi, um, Hassel Collins.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Oh, what should we call it? the um The Mario star, like all of a sudden nobody could tackle him. He's like, I'm just going to offend you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I was like, ah, that's yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm going to run around you. I'm going to run over you. I'm going to know you're not. You can't get me either. like Yeah. Exactly. like ah So I felt when I'm watching him like this guy, but he's not really going anywhere. he's He's going to go back and forth. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. But yeah, hilarious.
Grumpy Old Prop: Absolutely.
Jarrod Dyke: But really in in in the whole grand scheme of things, two bonus points out of that game where there was just you know so much change and and and you know chaos being thrown into the mix last minute.
Jarrod Dyke: Clary had to step in at three as well. That was not really ideal by any means whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I like you out, Clary. You're not a very good player. Let's just be honest about that, okay?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah But he did his job he did pretty well for for what they asked him to do like it's yeah I Was I was happy when Hoskins came in
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, still. All that all that said,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, same, same. I was like, yeah, we can get rid of out. Clary, thank you very much. But yeah, two points out of that whole situation could do worse. It's still top four. You know, the funny thing about Saracens is like.
Jarrod Dyke: If you told me we were going to make top four like just fourth place last year, I would freaking smash you in the face and said shut up, which ended up being the case.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: If you told me that this year, I'd probably break your hand off and say thank you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, like really, I'm OK with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like shaking it. Like, yeah, I'm very fine with it.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, I'm okay with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and they're well above the bubble too.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a good stepping stone and what happened, whatever happens happens, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: So like you're, yeah, they're two points out of first and they're five points out of fifth. Like that's okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'll take it.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope. This, uh, and really in the end, like my one worry coming into this last stretch of games was we were going to go into the break with three losses on the spin, but they managed to pull one out of the fire.
Jarrod Dyke: So that is a sign of, that's a positive sign for me as, ah as a fan of this team. So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, please. Thank you very much. Um, however, yeah, listen, less than I do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's with both your fly ups hurt. So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: However, if you're a fan, a fan of the fuck sticks down in Devin, I don't know what your excuse is because they ate the fucking salary cap.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: You're out of that one. That one's gone. So now what?
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, this the problem, you know, looking back at it, the problem with with Exeter is that they're still constructed the same way they always have been. There's just one thing that's that's that's different to me. um And that's they don't have someone like Sam Simmons to just kind of go where he wants to around the field and attack space.
Grumpy Old Prop: and can do it effectively. They just have a bunch of guys who can crash. And Fizzilow can do okay in space, but he's like lua -tua -like. Same thing with Vincent, we saw. right Give him a little bit of space. He can do some damage, but he's not making it for himself.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, and I was, I was watching, I think it was, I think it was one, I think it was the East girl try.
Grumpy Old Prop: and
Jarrod Dyke: The defense is undone by a cutout and and a two on one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: That's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's, oh, we, we rush up to get to you.
Jarrod Dyke: This vaunted defense that England seemed to be relying on, apparently,
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: is beaten by a cutout pass from Jared Evans. This is not Marcus Smith, by the way, or Finn Russell.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: This is Jared Evans.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Beat by that and then a two on one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm sorry, what's good about that?
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: Please explain to me why you want to emulate that defense. I'm im lost.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because there's better defenses out there.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah, tell me about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: A lot better right now. Actually, most of them are better right now. And and then all with that said, they have the the comms had a nerve to be like, oh, it must be because of that focus.
Grumpy Old Prop: They've they've had this this really strong focus on defense today. must be That must be why the yeah the attack is kind of sluggish.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah but Healy figured it out before you guys did apparently He already answered the question guys It's it's it's spoiler.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Right. Right. He healy got to it, guys. He beat you. Maybe.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just what they are.
Jarrod Dyke: It's not that it's not that they're they're just bad
Grumpy Old Prop: it They're just not good at attack or defense. And the problem is teams have figured it out. I don't know why it took this long, um but it took, I guess, till last year.
Grumpy Old Prop: And and maybe it was because they had to to to kind of get over the, oh, Sam Simmons isn't walking out on that field. Like we don't we can we can kind of just defend who's there and instead of thinking about who's not there.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, like in this game, do you really care if Will Rigg or Henry Slade get the ball?
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm like, okay, yeah, we we got a prop who can tackle either of you. you i'm I'm fine with that. I'm going to move on to the more dangerous. I'm going to defend the the more dangerous person, the Brown Bampo, but Woodburner, Hodge.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hodge had very little space to work with for most of the match.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. didn't Didn't rig knock ah not a try on.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think so. like
Jarrod Dyke: This, so there's two things and then we can get past this damn thing. One, like people are like, Oh, last year was so great. I don't think people realize that they got a good chunk of their points early on in the season when there were a lot of guys either rested or away.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Like that game against Saris where they like, they feasted on, right.
Jarrod Dyke: So I think they need to understand that we're starting to have nobody.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sarisons had more players this past weekend than they had when they, they got smooshed by, by Exeter last year.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: And Exeter had almost most, I think San's like one or two players, they had almost their whole regular 15 that they were playing on playing with that year.
Grumpy Old Prop: Roster. Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah. So, and it was the same way for the first like three, four rounds.
Grumpy Old Prop: Kind of like they did in this match. this is this is who is Who's not on this Exeter team? Like, I don't see any space that's, you know, made oh, well, obviously, Feiwaboso.
Jarrod Dyke: That's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: But Woodburn's not, no slouch. That's not a ah may massive downgrade.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, I would burn is one of the better players. It's never going to get a cap.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. and
Jarrod Dyke: If he's gotten one that I don't know about, sorry, but like, Mm
Grumpy Old Prop: And then you look across the way at the people who are missing from that. And it's like, from the, from the quins and, and exit room, like, yeah, no, you're not, you're just not ready anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: If you're, or you're, the book is is open and you're toast.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: No, either way, either way, you're both you're focused.
Grumpy Old Prop: Either way is fine. Either way is fine.
Jarrod Dyke: others ah there's
Jarrod Dyke: What's the space show the hell from from super bad Oh Man anyway um Power rankings 10 Newcastle By the way Xers vaunted defense the only one that's worse is Newcastle
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: That says a lot.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Um, nine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Still exit here.
Jarrod Dyke: Yup.
Grumpy Old Prop: Actually my, my, my, I can just say right now, my 10 is unchanged, but we can go through them. Cause yeah, I saw no changes.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, they are. Okay. So gloss or remain at eight.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gloucester remained at eight sale remain at seven.
Jarrod Dyke: hit Seven. Although they're probably teetering on that one there now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I to see Gloucester win against someone a little bit better than Newcastle um before that happens.
Jarrod Dyke: New castle. Yeah. Not, not, not wrong. Um, Lester six.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, um and it's i would they I wanted them to pump up because, yeah, it was against a kind of a
Grumpy Old Prop: one C squad. But it was still a win on the road at stone X, which is massive. You know, I can't underrate that.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But at the same time, then you look who's above them quins.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, not, not enough has been, I mean, Carla coins actually did more to solidify themselves with anything.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I to me, it was a question of do they move above Saints?
Jarrod Dyke: And Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I just can't again, with all the people that they were missing. No, I can't, because Bristol are still ahead of them like, and it was at home. So
Jarrod Dyke: So Carla comes five, Northampton four, three, Brizz, the Brizz, Saracens two, and the mighty bath men hanging on it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Yep. Bath.
Grumpy Old Prop: Other bathroom now putting putting a little bit of this like.
Jarrod Dyke: Number one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bath and putting distance between themselves in the pack at the moment.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although, you know, but only because, you know, saris have lost two out of three.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So do better.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'll be interested to see when that game hits. that's and That's not for a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't think it's actually don't think that game hits until after Champions Cup kicks off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh.
Jarrod Dyke: So it'll be it'll be a minute. So but it'll be hopefully it's just as tantalizing then as it is in my brain right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Hopefully.
Grumpy Old Prop: All right, we got some matches like good matches to look like I was thinking about this. And, you know, because we I'm now you know because I'm playing URC fantasy, I'm watching that more um and paying it, paying attention to it more.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I watched a little bit this this week, too.
Grumpy Old Prop: I watched the Leinster match with one of the guys who on the way back from you mean watching all sorts of rugby that day ah was fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, she had to do it on a bus ride for four hours.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah. I watched the Newcastle game with a former Newcastle player. That was fun. um he was He was, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, you must have been all about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: He was maybe still but buzzing over the the win against Exeter. so um But either way, it was it was kind it was a lot of fun watching watching a whole bunch of rugby on a bus ride.
Jarrod Dyke: but I don't doubt
Grumpy Old Prop: I still got to say, I think the premiership but right now is the most entertaining of at least between those two. um I've watched some um top 14 as well, but I haven't watched like good top 14 just kind of it was on.
Jarrod Dyke: No, neither have I.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I threw one on.
Jarrod Dyke: And I don't I don't dare throw that under the bus quite yet. I know some of the games I've watched have been
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but.
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah I'm not, I'm not ready to throw that white out the window yet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but like you're saying with with the points like this is an entertaining league. This is it has become it has gone from kind of boring. I think we're saying that what two years ago.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, about two years ago, I'd say it's probably right.
Grumpy Old Prop: um That's like this is just it's direct to now it's high paced, it's attacking, it's entertaining. It's a show.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I think that's going to be really good for the um for the sport in England. over the long term, they gotta keep it up though.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, totally. Yeah, there are, yeah, I mean, seven. Yeah, seven or six of the teams, um we'll call it'll call it seven. But anyway, a lot of the teams do have those bonus points too. So they're clearly right there and almost every time. So almost every time, but very often.
Jarrod Dyke: Very often. So yeah, it's not to say that it's bad, but yeah. Certainly, certainly going to be competitive and put some, put, put bums in seats and then have them stand up out of them afterwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. Players, coaches, officials outdid themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: The players I mentioned one. Hold on. Let me get back to it. Let me find him again. um Shoot. Oh, yeah, Revovo.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: absolutely outdid himself. um Well, though, did himself, but we haven't seen it in a bit, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, definitely.
Jarrod Dyke: Shout to Lian Infante and then Mick Campbell, obviously, from as we mentioned earlier.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Jared Evans.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: like we We think of Jared Evans as just, oh no. Every time Quinn's shoot up with him at 10, it's like, oh, this could be bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, we did see a little bit of that when they played sale earlier this year, um, first round with him at 10, but yeah, but like look good. Like you set the ball around a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: When it works, it's so much fun. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Did well, did well.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I have Oscar Beard.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. Yeah. I mean, he's, he scored and did, what did okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he's been. Something out playing himself like he's he's playing a lot better than I expected him to play.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. That's, that's the point.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And what he's been, so he's taken that next step, which I like to see.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Um, the other Evans as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, he had a day.
Jarrod Dyke: Some, some idiot called him the star of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, we should, we should shake that idiot's hand and say, congratulations.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: You were right.
Jarrod Dyke: No idea where I pulled that one right out of my butt too. Cause the guy i originally was going to pick was not playing. So I was like, damn. Oh no, actually I did call that. Didn't I? I called that from the beginning. I forgot. I've either had too much beer or not enough.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know which one. We mentioned Parisé, Batley, obviously as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And no, it too.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yep. And then I wanted to give Seville a shout out because getting thrown into that like so short notice and just being like, oh, by the way, you're starting today.
Jarrod Dyke: He's like, huh?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. oh Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Run that by me one more time? And played pretty well.
Grumpy Old Prop: They just want to try.
Jarrod Dyke: Played reasonably well, scored a try. The kicking was weak.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah No, I haven't seen that.
Jarrod Dyke: The tee on the cone. I've never seen that in my life.
Jarrod Dyke: ah but the But the only other thing I've seen is, and this isn't done anymore, but I'm sure many of you will remember it, was the sand pile.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Remember the sand pile? That was a good one. this the the It's only second to the fellow that took his kit off, rolled it up, and made a tee out of it, and kicked the conversion off of it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that's yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Only second to that.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, like, actually, one of my one of players is like, why is he doing that? And I'm like.
Jarrod Dyke: It's private doing it all his life.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's right.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's just like, why change it?
Grumpy Old Prop: That's right. That's his business. If it works, it works. Who gives a shit?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's one of those weird things where kickers have things and routines and just let it go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, let, you know, the weird shit that happens go, whether it's a Wilkinson, you know, pomp or the big arena or anything of the sort, you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: The only thing that's unacceptable is the Mackenzie smile before you fucking honk it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Agree with that one. Screw that one. Any other, anybody else that outdid themselves?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, I think that's a good enough list.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I did too. Shat it.
Grumpy Old Prop: I gotta say Zack Mercer. Again.
Jarrod Dyke: No, yeah, I mean, he's been, we've talked about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: He did.
Jarrod Dyke: His brain's in France already.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. It's just unfortunate because it's just a complete ghost out there.
Jarrod Dyke: I know, sucks. Sucks for his team and, you know, in a way, unfortunately, it's a little bit unprofessional too.
Grumpy Old Prop: It kind of is.
Jarrod Dyke: I hate to say that.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's just.
Jarrod Dyke: I hate to say that. I like the guy a lot. I really do, but man, like, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, there's. Watching him, the the effort's not the same, like though his his movement around the field, his like, give me that ball, I'm going to run through this like massive hole.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know why he doesn't want to do that anymore, but yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe skips can have a conversation with them and be like, listen, I need you to be the player you used to be, or we need to talk about getting you to another place.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm. You can just get the fuck out now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, I really, I really think that needs to happen while this, we're into the prime cut phase, which he probably won't see a whole lot of.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah, I mean, Slade, Exeter, Baxter, make your pick.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well. Well, I mean, Slade did well enough to get called up and starting.
Jarrod Dyke: None of it. None of it is good.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we'll, we'll get there. Don't you worry.
Grumpy Old Prop: But.
Jarrod Dyke: Don't you worry. Um, James Harper for, for sale, just getting his ass absolutely kicked by Benno Abano.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's.
Grumpy Old Prop: her ah
Jarrod Dyke: and that's crap, to the point where 30 minutes in they said, this young pup is gonna come on for you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, right.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, that's one of those things where it's like, you're gonna get so much shit for that in the locker room, like holy crap.
Grumpy Old Prop: home Yeah, not not good.
Jarrod Dyke: How are you shit, boys?
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, so I'm trying to to sort through.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause no, yeah, I don't.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I got one, Leo.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: fucking Murley ended up on on the ground after jumping up for a ball and nothing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Nothing.
Jarrod Dyke: Not even a fucking penalty. I was like, huh? Like dude never had a shot at the ball. What the fuck you doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know what like he does.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Beats me. Yeah. He so he sucks. Like they love to pump him up and he sucks.
Grumpy Old Prop: He does.
Jarrod Dyke: He really does.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, all right. Uh, try the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm saying just doing like kicking the ball and somehow being the first person there despite many other opposition.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm. Again.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, the ball does funny things sometimes too.
Grumpy Old Prop: It does. It's Oh, that one bounced. So just the bounce. Fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Didn't do anybody any favors back there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember who was back there for it. But um
Jarrod Dyke: I think Harrison and maybe Gemma Jo.
Grumpy Old Prop: how I think it was Harrison, who otherwise had a fantastic day and actually deserves, um yeah, she she deserves a shout out as as one of the players who outdid herself.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. She didn't know she got to play the match, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um we We missed that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Zoe Harrison there.
Jarrod Dyke: Fair point.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But no, that on that plate, she got fucked by the ball. And MSN is like, okay, well, I'll just keep going with it then.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I suppose.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, yes. um Yeah, not cool.
Jarrod Dyke: I went with the second Will Evans try that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Was that the one like off the shin and like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yep. And that he just backdoored it.
Grumpy Old Prop: that Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, wow. Okay. That one deserves a recognition. It was really, it was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I was, yeah I wanted to recognize that one too.
Jarrod Dyke: It was really good. I was like, you know, every once in a while, Chisholm has one of those days where it's just like, this is just fun to watch it. And that was one of those days. so Yeah. Considering Will Evans balled one try and he at least scored two to make up for it.
Jarrod Dyke: So can you credit?
Grumpy Old Prop: Didn't Hendy have a bit of a scorcher too?
Jarrod Dyke: He did have a good day.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, I mean, like I thought he had, his try was pretty sweet.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, you're right. I had him down as one of the better ones as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: I can't, I can't, yeah, I can't remember it offhand, but I remember it being awesome. Cause that's what he does.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: He just scores amazing tries.
Jarrod Dyke: He does some good ones that tall glass of carrot juice.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And, um, was it, uh, no, the Thomas Williams try, um, but where, uh, Wade just pumped it up and then caught it and then put him through.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was pretty sweet.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, yep. Nice little piece of work there. um Yeah, Coach Ref and young player.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, my. I guess my. ah
Grumpy Old Prop: Like Cheka has to be my. My coach of the week.
Jarrod Dyke: I had him on my list too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because he's doing just a hell of a job, it's just like.
Jarrod Dyke: Doing good with what he's got.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, um kind of showing why they made that decision when they did.
Jarrod Dyke: And if he gets more, he'll do better.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. I went with Danny Wilson from Queens.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Okay. Sure.
Jarrod Dyke: Both coaches won in places that they don't win very often to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So give them credit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: Give both of them credit.
Jarrod Dyke: Official.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, fuck, there was another, was it, who was, who wrapped the saris match?
Jarrod Dyke: um That was Carly.
Grumpy Old Prop: I swear there was another one where there were there should have been a high Oh, yeah, I think there should have been or they're like the TMO was trying to talk someone into a card again.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he was like, not having it after a while. I was like, No, there was just clearly no, that was last week. Fuck when it was saris. I don't remember what it was this week.
Jarrod Dyke: No, there was that. There was that, too. um Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. That happened again. I just can't remember which match and man, they all ran together this weekend as I watched them all on a bus.
Jarrod Dyke: Because you because you probably just trick and watch them all back to back to back there, Chief.
Grumpy Old Prop: I, that's kind of what happened. So, um, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: the Give you a guess here, Chief. But um you know, small shout out to tempo. And it's I think this is the first match he's done this year.
Jarrod Dyke: um Very tempo, but also not bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah. No. Yeah, no, i'll give I'll give you that tempo.
Jarrod Dyke: All things considered.
Grumpy Old Prop: I thought I remember him. I remember thinking while I was watching that match that he was doing a good job.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, it was Carly at the Saracens, by the way.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: um But I'll give it to Dixkin. Couple of decisions that he got right. You know, but says that says a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I know it's just, what's the world coming to?
Jarrod Dyke: that says a lot I know, right? Somebody take that elevator all the way down and check on what the heck's going on down there.
Grumpy Old Prop: so Yeah, I'm a little scared. Yeah, do they turn the AC on Yeah um We talked about them already ah but George make peace cubit Yeah, right
Jarrod Dyke: They fixed it. Well, not that turned it on, it's a different story. ah Young player.
Jarrod Dyke: Cube it, yep, same, had him down. Yep. Pretty good. He played himself pretty well for getting just chucked into the fire, especially down at Bristol, especially down at Bristol.
Jarrod Dyke: Although but we mentioned Woodward as well, and I would have given him a shout as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, not but not bad from him.
Jarrod Dyke: Player of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Honestly, I'm going with Rovovo.
Jarrod Dyke: Nice. Good pick. I like it. I like it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because that's it was like more than it was was about more than just himself. It's about what that represents for the the future of the Bears this year, and fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: It's bad news for a lot of the leak.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's what that is. I went, um, I went Tyrone Green and the, the try that wasn't, Oh, the East Grove kick, it was he, Oh.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's also a good shout. because right put I still think I should have applied the rule of cool.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, that these two guys read it and they just knew what was happening. They're just like, I was like, Oh, please let this stand. And it was clearly a forward pass. Sadly, it didn't need to be either. You could have put that where it was supposed to be and not in front and you were fine. All right.
Jarrod Dyke: Too cool. So do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah yeah just yeah did he okay did we have a problem with some people of uh following all the rules yeah but it was really fucking cool oh okay yeah the
Jarrod Dyke: It was a really good try that just didn't stand and it's all right. Dick of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: tmo who called back that try
Jarrod Dyke: ah Fair point. I'll give you that one. ah Well, this will get us into the last three minutes of discussion if we can manage it. My dick of the week is steep work, Mike.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah fuck That's a that's a very late entry but accepted because that's from today But they haven't even named a team which really annoys me Yeah, but I want to know I
Jarrod Dyke: That.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I want to. Here's the thing I want. I kind of want this game to just like implode. Because um I haven't been loving what the all blacks are doing either, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, it's Tuesday, they'll they'll do it but by the time we have time, most people hear this old name one probably.
Grumpy Old Prop: I wanna know now.
Jarrod Dyke: I do do. I don't agree with that. I mean, I did see something where basically Bowden Barrett played himself into the tension by not playing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: So hopefully that is the truth. TMO was Tom Foley, by the way, in that match.
Grumpy Old Prop: Of course, of course, fucking of course, Tom Follery.
Jarrod Dyke: One of your favorites.
Jarrod Dyke: um i
Jarrod Dyke: Curry Slade Ford. And you don't even name a guy like that's going to be able to do the job if Slade gets hurt because he's probably going to now. And it's like, because he does.
Grumpy Old Prop: I swear Ford has pictures of, of everybody, everybody.
Jarrod Dyke: He does.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's vice captain to from the bench.
Jarrod Dyke: Because there's no way he should be near this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck? No, cause yeah. Cause like, okay. So let's say slave gets hurt. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Again.
Grumpy Old Prop: You have, that means you, you're, you have to move forward to 10 because he can't really do anything else. And then Smith has to go to fullback.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, you're moving. And you're moving for your minute 15 or 13 excuse me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Freeman Freeman the 13 and now for bank just has to hang out on the wing because I Mean I don't think yeah, there's a little bit of a jump there Right Oh It's late can't handle him I Don't get that I just don't I
Jarrod Dyke: And and Freeman hasn't played 13 at this level. Like you're asking and we know that that we know those all blacks are gonna have a good center pairing. If they pick on form right now, it's gonna be Billy Proctor and he's a nightmare right now. No, no chance.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, shit, put laws out there.
Jarrod Dyke: Lawz is better than Slade, all day right now, all day. Everything you want out of Slade, Lawz does better right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: His passes are better, his kicking's better, he can defend better.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: like How hard does Lawzowski usually hit if he nails someone?
Grumpy Old Prop: Hard enough. and Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Certainly a lot harder than fucking Slade does. like we I can tell you this much in my memory, I'm not just doing this because it's biased because I watch so much fucking rugby. I can tell you I've got more Lawz kill shots in my head than I have Slade.
Grumpy Old Prop: Now and Right and and Slade Slade is a member of the clean shirt club way too often and I know that would be a problem in this match because it's on turf but still like you still get the little bit of the green on you sometimes like I Don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: And that's with Slade playing more rugby because he's also played international, like fuck off with the shit. Truth.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't see like I don't get it. I just don't I Thought they're at Allianz
Jarrod Dyke: Wait, to did Twickenham change over the turf?
Jarrod Dyke: No, they're at the right time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. For some reason i i I, for some reason I thought it saw, um, I thought it wasn't a token.
Jarrod Dyke: they
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, it's a trigger.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, okay. It's been a long couple days.
Jarrod Dyke: It'll be it'll be a trigger.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Don't you worry? Don't you worry? um Yeah, I just don't.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't get it. And then you don't need to curries in an international team. You really don't need one. You definitely don't need to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: and a 6 -2 split is just like, it's trendy. That's all it really is. It's not a fucking good idea though.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that's right. No, that's right. it is It's Allianz now. Duh.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, that's right. I forgot that they named they gave it a sponsor name.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You're right. You're right. So we were both right.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're both right.
Jarrod Dyke: We were both right. Yes, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you're thinking old aliens, not this one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I was confused.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yeah, I just,
Grumpy Old Prop: It doesn't make sense.
Jarrod Dyke: Whatever.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't like the 6 -2.
Jarrod Dyke: i'm i'm Listen, I'm okay with this like being a 12 -6 match and just everyone hating it and being like, this was terrible rugby. Well, they were terrible teams picks, so no fucking shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: no
Jarrod Dyke: you know
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: It's not really a shocker. I don't i don't know what the All Blacks projected lineup is, but...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah Right, I just don't yeah, I don't get it um There's just a lot, you know and but obviously if you were listening to us, you know The love we have for for Dom Brant And I want him to succeed. I want him to be better than he's shown. He's shown very um You know, last couple of seasons, Billy Vuna Paula, uh, when he's, when he's been at this level.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I hope he can you know sort out those hands and, um, really show up a little bit, but at the same time, there's too much, too many weird, too much weirdness going on.
Jarrod Dyke: in a white shirt. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not, this isn't right.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And again, right. It's this's with the curries. What do they bring? Why would you have two? You don't need two.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: No. If you tell me Ben, Ben Curry hasn't played that much. He's a clone of his brother. Like they play the same game.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's this yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Like don't give me that.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they give you like, again, there's too many guys out here that give you like, not enough and attack um among the pack. And that's, that's the problem.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like George Martin. Yeah. Okay. He gives you those hard runs and. He'll run into space a little bit, but he's not a game breaker. Toge's never been a game breaker and attack that. That's fine. he He turns the ball over all the fucking time, much better than than Curry does, because he can do it in all sorts of different areas of play, whereas Curry can really only do it as a Jackler.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm
Grumpy Old Prop: And I mean, either Curry. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, either I don't make it back like the way he played the summer against y 'all blackstone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And it's like it's something coming himself is ah he he can move a little bit. That'll be good. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I think what we did too. That's why I played him.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I'm kind of happy.
Jarrod Dyke: That's why he's playing him
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's take one of those. I'm happy about certain things, but others I'm just super confused. Like, yeah, it is.
Jarrod Dyke: Spencer, ah Spencer getting a start at nine is just as like long overdue, long overdue. Thank you, Eddie, you fucking asshole.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like I, yeah, I'm not getting a lot of it. ah carriery And how many vice captains are on the fucking team?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Four.
Jarrod Dyke: That is a joke. That is such a joke.
Grumpy Old Prop: And one's on the bench.
Jarrod Dyke: Like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Give me a break.
Jarrod Dyke: like you're you're just like, I'm sorry, Bartha, when did you become Eddie?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, Jesus, that's basically, this isn't eddy anything, really, at this point.
Grumpy Old Prop: and well And the problem is if he does want to play an open style, which I think he does, because again, that's where the prem is heading.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, that's not been his DNA, though, and this, i've i'm I'm more out on Borthwick than Ben is, by the way, so.
Grumpy Old Prop: I would think that would be somewhat of of his...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I know.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: um This, the yeah, no, I, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm still holding out hope because I've seen it go in a good direction, but this is not More of that. This is where this is backsliding the Ford shouldn't even be on like on the roster Anyway, it should be Finn Smith if you want to bring someone in you bring in fucking Finn Smith You don't need more leadership out there.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: You've got enough leadership out there You
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's your excuse to bring him in then.
Grumpy Old Prop: don't it's what's the point is who's gonna be on your World Cup roster?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you've lost the plot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Is it gonna be George Ford or is it gonna be Finn Smith? It's gonna be Finn Smith Afford might be on the roster, but yeah, you've clearly not, you know, no.
Jarrod Dyke: If it's George Ford, then you've clearly lost it. Yeah, I mean, it may, there may be one of two in the next World Cup roster for England, that's either Ford or Farrell, we'll see.
Jarrod Dyke: um But either way, you you you need to give these players time. You need to give need to give these players some freaking minutes. like Knock it off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: like
Grumpy Old Prop: What Tom Curry, like you said, like, well, you know, with the Currys and the Slades, they're not suddenly going to become like Henry Slade isn't going to turn into Rico, you want a or or Proctor out there.
Jarrod Dyke: Not a chance.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not going to happen. He's Henry Slade. That's what he is.
Jarrod Dyke: The most overrated 13. in tier one rugby without a doubt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, so.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't get it. So yeah, I'm out on Borthwick.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know who else you would get, but like, I think if England really have ambitions, they need to fucking get rid of them. But that's just me. i'm I know I'm probably in the minority on that. Honestly, Lazowski is better than Slade.
Jarrod Dyke: Come and get me, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I Will stand on that yeah, no I
Jarrod Dyke: Please, I'm so over this bullshit, this guy sucks. Like, I saw nothing, I saw nothing in Devin, nothing in Devin that said, this guy should be a 13 against the All Blacks, not a fucking chance.
Grumpy Old Prop: Did he play I mean I think going back with that the Mike Brown think did even the slave even play I didn't really I don't remember seeing him contributing um Okay, that doesn't
Jarrod Dyke: he put Apparently he put someone into a hole, y you have to fucking do. Oh, you got a second distributor. You have all the distributors in this England team if you want them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a matter of, do you wanna actually play rugby or do you wanna just say that you have these guys and fucking hammer the ball up the field on your foot 10 times?
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause right. I tell you, yeah. Cause I'll tell you what you want. Someone who at the moment is being an excellent distributor is running extremely well. It's actually defending pretty damn well and still has a fucking cannon for a boot.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's one guy we haven't even mentioned who's on the, who's on the roster.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's Elliot daily.
Jarrod Dyke: daily, who is not a lot of people's most popular player.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And I have my days where I'm just like, what the fuck is he doing? and
Grumpy Old Prop: But this year he's been um on in some incredible form.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and he's taking a he's taken ownership of of his role as one of the older guys on the Saracens too, which speaks well to his personality. So um especially in that, especially in that Bristol match where he had a lot of, he was wiping a lot of noses and you know taking care of a lot of diapers over there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Jarrod Dyke: And he did pretty damn well. but for himself. So given that, but yeah, I, I, you know, like I said, this match could, depending on what the like all blacks lineup is, this match could implode and I'd be okay with it. Like 12, four, so I know that's impossible. 12, five, something like that. And just, yep. Cool. We saw, we saw a match. We did not see a regular match. That's probably, that's pretty much my generic prediction for what's going to happen Saturday.
Jarrod Dyke: Won't be sad. I'm missing it right off the bat. I'll wait till I get home tonight. That that night half in the bag.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's for sure. but All right. Anyway, that's that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: We're done. All right. Anyway, so that's that. Enjoy your arm in nationals this weekend. um If you missed the beginning of the show, no fantasy corner this week because we don't have a lost art sets.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, we will put our PWR picks out there. Don't you worry.
Grumpy Old Prop: We will.
Jarrod Dyke: They'll be out there. I'm still accepting those. to Um, good news on the PWR front is we did get some additional stats for this past round. I need to bug the guy for the previous two rounds now and maybe fix the Bristol ones that we missed too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah, I'm going to be a nuisance. This guy's going to hate my guts. That's all right. Um, but yeah, get in line.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're used to it. yeah Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: So we will have that and I'll do my best to update those stats as fast as possible. But other than that, we do appreciate everyone that listens to us and lets us babble into their ear for a wee bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Enjoy their Autumn International's openings this weekend. Have a good one, folks. Take care.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
