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Season 7- Episode 6- Waterboy-ish (PWR GOTW & Premiership Round 6)
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It's more from those American rugby fools. On this episode (finally) we are talking about big things in the Prem and PWR including honoring a legend that calls time on the game on her 100th appearance. Of course, we wrap all the action from places like the Gate, the Rec and the StoneX. Plus, we answer the question posed a few weeks ago with some data, is 25 point a lot? If you've been listening, you probably already know the answer. All this, a dig into what the hell Bortho is think and so much more. Get something to drink and enjoy fam!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:32
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm ben glauser
00:00:33
Jarrod Dyke
Let's get to it. We got lots to cover. First of all, this is going in me right now.
00:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
as is this going in
00:00:46
Jarrod Dyke
Find us on your favorite podcast app, download rate review, all that fun stuff. we Make sure that you buy our good friend George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer.
00:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:57
Jarrod Dyke
The boy's about to be very busy with auto-nations kicking off, and I'm sure many of you that are gonna be participating in the game like we will be, will be looking over at, um well, I'm gonna play it, aren't you?
00:01:00
Grumpy Old Prop
okay
00:01:04
Grumpy Old Prop
What? You will?
00:01:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, I'm just being.
00:01:10
Jarrod Dyke
We're gonna say, okay, did that lose something here?
00:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
um But yeah, so make sure that you buy that, because he'll be busy, and make sure that you read the official articles too that that are published by that man, because It'll be good and he's worth it.
Anti-Discrimination in Sports and Society
00:01:26
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Um, and then of course, no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life concerning a certain territory this week that, um, yeah, people just suck about.
00:01:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, ah yeah, there was that this is really about that douchebag who felt that so actually a couple things, people are being douchebags everywhere, if you haven't noticed. um So I actually and I'm just gonna add an extra one that we didn't talk about.
00:01:56
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, go for it.
00:01:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so one was, uh, first off, we have to laugh at, um, Bob's Burgers voice actor, Jay Johnston, who who got sentenced to a year in prison for his role in January 6th.
00:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, hilarious. And, uh, just a total, like, kick in his own pants. Um, bye, dude.
00:02:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Later.
00:02:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Second, the, um, shitbird who decided to say, uh, to call Puerto Rico a, um Floating pilot garbage.
00:02:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, there's an island of of floating garbage in the sea, you know, whatever in the ocean It's called Puerto Rico. What the fuck dude? This is at ah at a Trump rally, of course Which is actually the like the fucked up thing that really wasn't I mean that was just one of the offensive things said it's just gotten the most attention and
00:02:38
Jarrod Dyke
Of course it is. Where else would it be?
00:02:47
Jarrod Dyke
that they that I saw that reel. I was just like, Jesus, these guys just don't let up.
00:02:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's that's like just an opening act. um I think people just stop like we're so shocked.
00:02:54
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:02:57
Grumpy Old Prop
They kind of mostly don't think the decent people are going to stop watching. Although why the fuck would you watch it anyway? But at the same time, that's fucked up. And um it's but this is where our politics is.
00:03:05
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It's fucked up. And then the last one was um there is a Muslim journalist media son who um
00:03:22
Grumpy Old Prop
obvious for obvious reasons is is against the the genocide happening in Gaza. um And he was on CNN with, you know, on a panel talking about that this, you know, all of the situation in the Middle East that the basically the all but open war going on. um And one of the other panelists asked him if, ah you know, oh, just be careful if your beeper starts going off.
00:03:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:03:50
Jarrod Dyke
that's my
00:03:50
Grumpy Old Prop
which is just unbelievably fucked up and CNN was like, they they kicked him off the panel.
00:03:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um They like went to basically went to commercial and kicked him off and were like, he's never coming back on. But here's the thing.
00:04:03
Grumpy Old Prop
like I say these three things, you know they're they're not separate, they're all connected. And ultimately it's that our, you know, government and media infrastructure and ecosystem is basically okay with that. Like it's, yeah, the guy's a dick for saying, you know, i but I'm talking about this last guy um for saying something like that. But why the fuck is CNN saying, you know what? Someone who says stuff like that is they should come on our show. They should be on this panel. Like there's so much of this, we have to give equal time to every side.
00:04:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, well, if one of your sides is like, yeah, is bigoted and genocidal.
00:04:41
Jarrod Dyke
I don't want to give time to racism.
00:04:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I'm sorry, we've, we've heard enough of this for decades. right They're not saying anything new because they never have anything new to say. so why are And it's because we're platforming, because we're saying, hey, this is a...
00:04:55
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:05:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And yes, they kicked him off, it doesn't matter. He got to say it before he they kicked him off. His job is done as far as he cares. He doesn't care if he gets invited back. He did his job. People will see it and people will be like, oh, okay, that's a valid thing to say to somebody.
00:05:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, like he's right.
00:05:12
Jarrod Dyke
Right, which is really the fucked up thing. Like really the fucked up thing in the end.
00:05:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Like our, like we, we shouldn't be, you know, tolerating this kind of stuff. I mean, I stopped watching media like that a long time, not well, fairly long time ago.
00:05:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, somewhat, you know, in the grand scheme of things recently, but enough to be like, wow, that like, yeah.
Fantasy Rugby Updates and Engagement
00:05:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just they have too much of shit like that on where it's like, oh, well, there's that side of it, too, I guess.
00:05:36
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, no, that's not a valid side. That's not reasonable. It's not good. It's not something we should aspire to. um And it's not something we should really platform.
00:05:46
Jarrod Dyke
No, I agree.
00:05:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, you know, we're talking about, you know, see, that there's just a pretty straight line to people, you know, um organizations like CNN putting that on on the um on the air to Douchebag, who thinks it's okay to call Puerto Rico pile of floating or yeah an island of floating garbage, to Jay Johnstone getting sentenced for trying to overthrow the government.
00:06:10
Grumpy Old Prop
like that All these things kind of line up.
00:06:12
Jarrod Dyke
there's There's dots there, guys.
00:06:14
Jarrod Dyke
Connect them.
00:06:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And and so that's why we say don't discriminate, and that's why we we we do this segment, because like it's because we allow certain things you publicly
00:06:27
Grumpy Old Prop
that empowers the people who do who do bad things. And we got to stop that. So that's why don't be a dick. Don't allow dickery. And yeah, just
Celebration of Leanne Infante's Career
00:06:40
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck racism racism and fascism and all that shit.
00:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
right.
00:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Allow no dictum of those of those guys.
00:06:45
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed. Agreed.
00:06:52
Jarrod Dyke
Make sure that you grab our Patreon. and well We should have a seat sheet sometime um after the Autumn Internationals here. so now that we got Now that we've made it to that break, um we will have that.
00:07:03
Jarrod Dyke
and then august well A but little bit of this, a little bit of that.
00:07:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Although it does have a lot more to do with the fact that my coaching season is all the over a little bit more of that, but kind of all the lines really well.
00:07:11
Grumpy Old Prop
So let's go with that.
00:07:12
Jarrod Dyke
So, um, but yeah, in the in the meantime, I will do my best to get, um, ah I'll do a kind of a bigger boom bus type of thing today. It just like basically analyzing who's done well, price wise, so on and so forth this week.
00:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:07:25
Jarrod Dyke
Um, PWR sheet will go up. We're not, um, those that might be listening all the way to the end. We don't have a fancy corner this week cause we're not, there's no start sits or anything like that because we're not going to do it for autumn internationals.
00:07:37
Jarrod Dyke
So if you need advice, please feel feel free to email us, add us all that good stuff. But, um, you know, so there won't be that either.
00:07:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we'll be talking about the, um, we will be talking about the autumn internationals on the Twitters. We'll put out maybe our teams or something.
00:07:53
Grumpy Old Prop
So if you have a question.
00:07:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, probably that would say it's probably reasonable to do.
00:07:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
So other than that, um, yeah, make sure that you gri and pick it up. Cause once these, once this sheet comes out, it's going to be real handy. Promise. Especially if you're like me and struggling.
00:08:09
Grumpy Old Prop
We're like me and
00:08:09
Jarrod Dyke
Anywho.
00:08:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Also struggling a little bit. Although I had a really good week this week, so I'm pretty happy about that.
00:08:14
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, let's say you're not, you can't be that far down.
00:08:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh wow, 14th in the US.
00:08:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you're doing a billion times better than I am right now.
00:08:23
Grumpy Old Prop
That's good. And seventh in URC in the US.
00:08:28
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, that's.
00:08:28
Grumpy Old Prop
What is up with that? I'm sorry, i just I'm just starting the URC. What is everybody else's excuse that I'm...
00:08:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Although I know enough of the players anyway.
00:08:36
Jarrod Dyke
It's the US. That's why it's the US.
00:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's true. Fuck. That is exactly the yes. All right, fine.
00:08:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:44
Jarrod Dyke
That's the, the answer is Alex.
00:08:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's move on.
00:08:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Damn it.
00:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
Cool.
00:08:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I like my answer of just I'm a genius better, but you're probably right.
00:08:50
Jarrod Dyke
Uh,
00:08:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Sadly, that's probably the answer. I hate to burst that bubble of yours.
00:09:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, well.
00:09:01
Jarrod Dyke
Although I'm very good at bursting bubbles as such.
00:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and I am very in need of my bubble being bursted. We are friends for a reason, people.
00:09:08
Jarrod Dyke
I suppose so. ah Yeah, there's ah there's a kid that I've been working with. He's a middle schooler, but the kid's got a fucking ego out to here. like
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:20
Jarrod Dyke
I've been flattening that thing out the whole time we've been working together.
Rugby Player Performances and Analysis
00:09:24
Jarrod Dyke
He so he was like, I could do a bear crawl with a cup of water on my back. Oh really? I went to the kitchenette, got a cup, filled it with water, put it on his back, not even half a step, everywhere.
00:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:09:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Nope.
00:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, guess what your job is now?
00:09:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Clean it up.
00:09:37
Jarrod Dyke
Clean that shit up.
00:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. I spilled water on my goddamn floor. Clean it up.
00:09:41
Jarrod Dyke
So you spilled water on my on my f freaking um turf, freaking mop that shit up.
00:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh oh yeah. i Yeah. Outside? No.
00:09:49
Jarrod Dyke
He was unimpressed, to say the least.
00:09:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't spill water on my turf.
00:09:53
Jarrod Dyke
He yeah he hasn't made quite such a you know lofty allegation again. So, but yeah, I love to do that shit, man. It's fun.
00:10:04
Jarrod Dyke
Anywho, let's see. We got, yes, we got, oh, we we have PWR. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:10:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:10:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, a wonderful match that it was. I mean, first off, Leanne Infante, I, i e we're out of words, yeah.
00:10:23
Jarrod Dyke
Golf clock to that wonderful, wonderful player. um Yeah, I think all the words have already been said about her and and what she's contributed to. Rugby in general, but so certainly Saracens as well, and for her to be able to wrap up her journey with the series is nice.
00:10:34
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:10:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And to have 95 friends and family, like that's, that's awesome.
00:10:41
Jarrod Dyke
That's wild, I was like, wow, that is a lot.
00:10:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Great turnout for, yeah. just Well, yeah.
00:10:45
Jarrod Dyke
That is a lot, folks.
00:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And that that's why you know we we we have our obviously our our speculation that we won't share because it's complete speculation um as to to you know the the you know relatively early retirement. um And that would make sense to have all those people out there because it's like they know that what you know she's kind of sacrificing to do um now. And it's like, yeah, it's good to to show appreciation because it's you know for all of them too.
00:11:15
Jarrod Dyke
Always. Yeah. like Yeah. And the list of people she's like, yeah, people I haven't seen in a long time.
00:11:19
Jarrod Dyke
She's like, yep. All right. And they all, they all obliged. I was like, yeah, that's impressive. And I think it speaks more a lot to who she is as well for them to sit, especially if there's people as such that haven't seen her for a while, even if they somewhat kept in touch and like, yeah, totally.
00:11:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:33
Jarrod Dyke
I'll be there. You know, it's, it speaks to who she is.
00:11:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:35
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, wonderful person, sad to lose her, but, um, she'll do well in whatever she's going to go do next. Promise you that, uh, to the game, um, girls were passing against the wall for a wee bit here all the way up till
00:11:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Absolutely.
00:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
a little bit yeah
00:11:51
Jarrod Dyke
a little bit after halftime, even.
00:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
h
00:11:54
Jarrod Dyke
And ah even I think Osterberry sent it this week, like, yeah, we were we were told we were in a lot of trouble with this match and they clawed it back and and dug themselves out of it. And um I don't think that Meg Campbell gets nearly enough credit at this point.
00:12:09
Jarrod Dyke
And she gets a lot of credit actually, but I still don't think she gets enough for the work she did previous to the WXV being finished and now even.
00:12:17
Grumpy Old Prop
A little bit. Yeah.
00:12:19
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:12:21
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know how you get, I think you're going to have to sit sound if you want Marley Packer back on the field because you can't sit me Campbell right now.
00:12:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, yeah, I'm just wondering, um, does we know Poppy is, uh, it's kind of out of favor with a national team.
00:12:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, I'm, I'm almost of the opinion that it's her that should maybe sit for Saris.
00:12:50
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not against it. I'm not against it by any means whatsoever.
00:12:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Because especially like she's she's your your sub ah either way rotating the four of them No No, no, I mean there's the the the hooker to flanker pipeline is not short
00:12:59
Jarrod Dyke
Shouldn't work out too poorly. I know she's usually a hugger, but really, what have we lost with her being out there?
00:13:11
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:13:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And I mean, I think right now she has break
Upcoming Matches and Rugby Culture
00:13:20
Jarrod Dyke
glass in case of emergency, the hooker, because they're just going to let field run for as long as she feels like honestly.
00:13:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right
00:13:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Then why not? Yeah. So if this gets her on the field, then.
00:13:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So yeah. Let me Campbell do it and keep doing it.
00:13:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:13:35
Jarrod Dyke
Um, it's not fair. The fucking glosser has Matthew's answer and all the croft on all the crop trials. Like. Fuck that.
00:13:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:48
Jarrod Dyke
I can't be mad at it, but fuck that.
00:13:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:51
Jarrod Dyke
You know?
00:13:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that whole team, that' they're just stat. Like Maud Muir is just beastly.
00:13:58
Jarrod Dyke
She's a nightmare.
00:13:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I, I, I definitely remember like when, when that, you know, she kind of came on the scene and like people were just talking cause she could play anywhere in the front row and it's like, okay, all this, yeah like, okay.
00:14:03
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:14:09
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, I've heard it, but let's see it. Um, okay. I can shut up now. Like I see it.
00:14:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:14:18
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no, there's no denying that.
00:14:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:14:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and not that I was denying it before, it just, I didn't, it there was like a ah really hard sell and that automatically makes me, um, a little suspicious, but damn.
00:14:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause we've seen some of the people that the RFU have promoted over the years and continue to promote. So, um, no, she's the real deal.
00:14:40
Jarrod Dyke
She is. She is.
00:14:43
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, Aldcroft and Matthew, like the and three of them plus, you know, all the others.
00:14:43
Jarrod Dyke
She is.
00:14:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. When Becky gets healthy, she's, she's, she had surgery. So she's not, she won't be out there for a bit.
00:14:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:14:54
Jarrod Dyke
Um, another one that had surgery that probably won't be out there until after the season's over his breach. But, um, I liked Gemma Joe, honestly, like I, I think the first match she was me finding her feet.
00:15:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:08
Jarrod Dyke
And I know she's played, she's she has played plenty. I'm not, not totally fucking spacing on that part, but like, just, you know, knowing
00:15:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:16
Jarrod Dyke
Kind of that you might have to fill a really big gap and they still have Lottie, what's her new last name, Sharp.
00:15:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:15:23
Jarrod Dyke
um They still have her as well.
00:15:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, let's still clap on the PWR site.
00:15:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's that's not good. I know ah know the TNT um graphic actually had it right, so that was good.
00:15:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. of
00:15:34
Jarrod Dyke
um They were on top of their shit, PWR, get on your shit, dude. do him ah But anyway, yeah, I like a lot of what I've seen of her. Obviously, she got it herself Indipator this weekend.
00:15:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, lots of good. I thought Rosie Galligan had a really good match as well. she but She looks great. um Not missing a beat coming back. Yeah, and and then you we got the the Canadian contingency as well.
00:16:01
Jarrod Dyke
That's ah but's let's holding it down.
00:16:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:16:04
Jarrod Dyke
Did we keep Paige Fairies or we did she walk? but Losing my mind.
00:16:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I think she lost. I think she lost the chance to you left. I think I remember her signing elsewhere.
00:16:18
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:16:23
Jarrod Dyke
That's not right.
00:16:24
Grumpy Old Prop
She's not a Worcester Warrior.
00:16:25
Jarrod Dyke
Well, it says, no, no, that's wrong.
00:16:29
Jarrod Dyke
Disagree. um Maybe something on her socials they'll tell us.
00:16:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh no, it's a new set. She's hanging with back of the sires.
00:16:37
Jarrod Dyke
She did, okay, maybe she's banged up.
00:16:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:39
Jarrod Dyke
So that'll be good to to be able to throw her out there along with Lottie.
00:16:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
Gemma, you know, Gemma Joe as as we sex Corrigan. I am so excited about her. um They'll probably have to, you know, they may have to move Gregson back into 14.
00:16:56
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, Emma Hardy, you're you're taking a seat.
00:16:59
Jarrod Dyke
um not No offense, but you're taking a seat. um Because Gregson's played too well and needs to be on the field anyway, you cut it.
00:16:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:17:08
Grumpy Old Prop
yes
00:17:08
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, I think that's how it goes. I think that's how it's gonna go. So Yeah. Well, well done to the so series women, the, you know, the top of the table, they're going to be going down to shit house place down there.
00:17:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:17:21
Jarrod Dyke
Sandy buck crack and take on undefeated, undefeated team down there. So I'm, I wish that was the thought. We're not going to get it. Maybe we can find a live stream for the weekend.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it's on YouTube.
00:17:32
Jarrod Dyke
Is it going to be on YouTube?
00:17:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it's going to be on the tubes of you.
00:17:34
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, please. i I really want to watch that match. So hopefully it does. Cause I know, I know the game of the week we're going to get here is, um, lester game next week but the who thell they playing she finders maybe
00:17:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Hold on.
00:17:49
Jarrod Dyke
um losing my mind I mean, probably losing my mind, but there's no denying that. Um, they are playing trail finders. Haha. Look at my memory. All right.
00:17:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Notice, yes, that is the game of the week there. It is DT and T and D sport. And yes, it um the PWR site does say you do.
00:18:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I see the YouTube ah above the XR series. All right. Sweet. Cool. I love it. I like it. I love it. I won't finish that.
00:18:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Please, please.
00:18:10
Jarrod Dyke
Let's do us all a favor and not finish that.
00:18:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's leave that to the professionals.
00:18:16
Jarrod Dyke
yeah um All right, let's go to Friday Night in the Prem.
Match Reviews and Tactical Insights
00:18:20
Jarrod Dyke
Bristol, finally winning at home. The home has been not really happy for them right now.
00:18:26
Jarrod Dyke
ah they lost They lost that one tough one to both us and to Gloucester.
00:18:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm cluster her pretty yeah
00:18:31
Jarrod Dyke
harper Gloucester, glosster my brain's still on to PWR. To Gloucester. And finally find a ah find a little bit of joy at at home and and get the job done, which is which is good.
00:18:45
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sure Pat Lam's more than happy about that. And yeah, kids keeps them in the top four as we go into this break.
00:18:51
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah and they're They looked good doing it, too um That was a pretty solid um solid victory and and against a mostly a pretty solid side i mean outside honestly like there's a couple people in that lineup that you know two to be precise um maniana uh vanua wow actually did that um and george make piece cubit like and george didn't play that bad um and neither did uh maya not mayana vanua fuck
00:19:10
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:19:15
Jarrod Dyke
Atta boy.
00:19:20
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:19:26
Jarrod Dyke
Man of a new uh, you're welcome.
00:19:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Thank you. Um, that's my first time saying it. So I, I just should have, I should have practiced.
00:19:31
Jarrod Dyke
We'll get, we'll get him there folks, I promise.
00:19:34
Grumpy Old Prop
I apologize. Um,
00:19:35
Jarrod Dyke
We'll get him there eventually, I promise.
00:19:39
Grumpy Old Prop
but yeah, like, you know, having a new 10 though is, is always going to be problematic, but, um, yeah, which is why, you know, I don't count this too much against saints because yeah you've got mostly a ah veteran lineup, but the 10 really is the straw that stirs the drink and.
00:19:43
Jarrod Dyke
It makes it, it makes it hard.
00:19:57
Grumpy Old Prop
a little clunky one and not that he, you know, what he's not Finn Smith. Sorry. um I don't think that's as, I don't think that's as big of an insult as me mispronouncing my, my own opinion, but, um, yeah, the same time, but on the other side, how about, yeah okay.
00:20:02
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:20:09
Jarrod Dyke
No No, probably not He might have been I mean not that
00:20:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So is, is Revovo what this team needed?
00:20:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause he reminded me, that was a very Raja Raja like performance from him.
00:20:27
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Let's look, um, looked like the guy we fell in love with when he was playing for the Drua. So yeah, no, I, I'm yeah, he definitely got off to a very uncomfortable slow start, um, last year, but now that like, that's his role.
00:20:47
Jarrod Dyke
You know, he doesn't have back a tower in his way anymore.
00:20:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I think that was, I think they over relied on Vakatao and said like,
00:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
00:20:53
Grumpy Old Prop
letting him go.
00:20:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, when when that guy stumbles into your lap, it's not something you don't sign, but at the same time, as you said, don't lean on him so hard.
00:20:56
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah.
00:21:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, maybe that's more the point. But any in any case, yeah, and Williams is hurt. So this is going to probably be, yeah, we'll see. I'm assuming Benard will be fine once the Nationals are over here after.
00:21:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean, my question is, does William see the field again?
00:21:22
Jarrod Dyke
Probably as a sub, only because you can play 10-2 and they don't have a backup 10 right now.
00:21:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly. That's that's what right. That's what i'm thinking is that he's now there they're like he'll be there 22 Um And the other grandona uh showed well too, um, we saw santi do very well benjamin Yeah acquitted himself well
00:21:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I totally agree with that. Yep. Yep. So yeah, good on bears. Good on Pat Lamb. I'm, you know, I'm excited to see that. And yeah. Yes. Agreed.
00:21:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Joe Batley gets to join the list of players that will probably never see an England cap that are so damn good.
00:21:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He's so fucking good.
00:21:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:21:57
Grumpy Old Prop
he I can't believe he's not getting a sniff. um also Also, we got to see what happens when you when you actually have threats, and also you still have Steven Luitua, because he was just like he was in places where, they like again, Bristol needed a player.
00:22:03
Jarrod Dyke
but We can play some of these idiots the for the billionth time over.
00:22:20
Grumpy Old Prop
So um yeah, good on him.
00:22:23
Jarrod Dyke
i just That's just that veteran that veteran brain is.
00:22:25
Grumpy Old Prop
It really is. And sometimes it's like, yeah, when when they're kind of clunky, he's just another guy. But as soon as you give him a little bit of space, he's um special.
00:22:36
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely. Yeah, no, he's, he's a wonderful player.
00:22:38
Grumpy Old Prop
he's one of He's like an NBA shooter who like can't make his own space, but you scheme him open and he'll just rain freeze.
00:22:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But in rugby, he can't make his own space. But if you give him space, he's gonna light it up.
00:22:53
Jarrod Dyke
He does a lot of good things with it.
00:22:54
Jarrod Dyke
He really does.
00:22:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:22:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He'll do the rest.
00:22:56
Jarrod Dyke
No no doubt. No doubt. What's our, um, let's Let's, we don't need to spend a ton of time at the Kings and Queens home.
00:23:07
Jarrod Dyke
um Do we?
00:23:07
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Disappointing. No, it's disappointing. I mean, like, it's just a shame Newcastle, like, kind of didn't show up till the very, they can score till the 68th minute. It was like one of those, yeah, we got some, we get we get on the board, like,
00:23:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like the little giants moment.
00:23:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And that's great and all. and But Gloucester didn't... I mean, ah it's hard to say that you didn't particularly impress me. They scored 36 points. um But this is also kind of a get-right game for them. They'd lost two in a row. So they needed it. And um this was an opponent they kind of... And also, I thought they played any differently. It's that they played an opponent that really wasn't ready for him.
00:23:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And I mean, coming off the high of winning their first game in a long time, you know, it's it was kind of keyed up to be a letdown in a lot of ways.
00:23:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:23:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:23:58
Jarrod Dyke
So that's, you know, you got to figure this just might have been on the cards, this type of thing going on.
00:24:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:04
Jarrod Dyke
um This is a lot. You know, i'll I'll give Dimes credit.
00:24:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:24:12
Jarrod Dyke
He's really trying for some stability in that pack and trying to pick a
00:24:15
Grumpy Old Prop
-hmm.
00:24:16
Jarrod Dyke
a similar pack most weeks, which can help. It's obviously not helping that much, but it can help. Um, they, I agree.
00:24:25
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just the problem his problem is the personality he's got to work with at the moment. That's all.
00:24:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's a, guys walk.
00:24:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's going to take him a little bit to get settled because as we saw, he came in and was like, OK, we have all sorts of wrong pieces here. You're gone and you're gone and you're gone and you're gone. And we got to like kind of rebuild from where we got.
00:24:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:24:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And then the problem is we had they had like four guys who were like, well, I'm just going to sign somewhere else. and So between all that, like, you know, the the intentionally getting rid of people and the, um, you know, losing people in ways you couldn't control.
00:24:57
Jarrod Dyke
and a couple other guys are starting to jump ship too. Yep.
00:25:02
Grumpy Old Prop
That's, um, yeah, they got, they got a ah little bit to do.
00:25:04
Jarrod Dyke
Just a little bit.
00:25:08
Jarrod Dyke
All right, ah let's go to the rec. So because this was the team that was the topic of discussion when we had this little chat on the social media about whether or not 25 plus points was a lot of points.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:25:24
Jarrod Dyke
I did the numbers over the first six round.
00:25:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:25:28
Jarrod Dyke
3.8 on average teams, winning teams had 25 or more.
00:25:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:25:33
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, the first six round on average. Some weeks it was a lot. Some weeks is all, it was all five.
00:25:38
Jarrod Dyke
Some weeks it was only a couple, but on average, so almost four teams, almost all, but all but one score 20 winning teams to score 25 and a half.
00:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:25:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:25:44
Grumpy Old Prop
So almost half or no, almost all. Right.
00:25:52
Jarrod Dyke
So score at least 25 or more.
00:25:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:25:54
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Overall, almost six score 25 or more. So more than, almost more than half the league, definitely half the league, almost more than half the league.
00:26:03
Grumpy Old Prop
It was, it was all five this week.
00:26:07
Jarrod Dyke
there were There were six this week, it was all five, there was six total, it was all five this week.
00:26:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:12
Jarrod Dyke
The only round where it was really kind of meh was the first round.
00:26:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Which that's the first round of rugby that or any sport.
00:26:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, shocker of the day, right?
00:26:19
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:26:19
Jarrod Dyke
Right, so to answer the question, It's the floor. It's not, it should not be your average and it should not be your fucking ceiling.
00:26:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:28
Jarrod Dyke
Sale.
00:26:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Although i I got to say, and we'll, we'll come, you know what, I'm going to wait for it later. butll I'll bring that up later when we talk about the other team that's like this. And like, ultimately, a lot of these coaches forget that this is a game of who plays the best rugby.
00:26:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Like it's a rugby match. right It's not a, it's not a, um,
00:26:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it is.
00:26:58
Grumpy Old Prop
a pound you match. It's not a who can execute the best forward crash over you know as many times as possible over 80 minutes match. It's a rugby match.
00:27:07
Jarrod Dyke
Spoiler alert, it's still Thomas Dutat.
00:27:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yes. um that's And that's the problem when when you know you actually play rugby, those kind of things tend to work.
00:27:15
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:27:20
Grumpy Old Prop
um But it's like you have to do the other stuff too.
00:27:23
Jarrod Dyke
You do.
00:27:24
Jarrod Dyke
You know, you know the. the No.
00:27:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And the sale team isn't built, isn't built.
00:27:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It's, and it's not, um, organized to do, you know, expansive rugby that it's ah now kind of a requirement to play.
00:27:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, they they do have. They're there, I will say they're back three's got a nice bit of depth to it, but really. Who's getting it to him?
00:27:49
Grumpy Old Prop
The, and that's, that's the problem we see with the other team that we'll talk about later is that, okay, you have a back three. That's great. Who, you know, and in, you know, in this case, Dan Dupree is back.
00:28:00
Grumpy Old Prop
That's, that's awesome. But I don't know. Is he, it's been a while.
00:28:03
Jarrod Dyke
He's one, there's one fucking guy.
00:28:05
Jarrod Dyke
He's one fucking guy too.
00:28:05
Grumpy Old Prop
It's going to end as one guy.
00:28:06
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you know, can't sit there and say, yeah, that's totally, that's totally gonna be the solution.
00:28:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:28:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Like.
00:28:11
Jarrod Dyke
Like um part of it.
00:28:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah you look at one through seven and you're like that's basically the same guy all the way through um and that's not yeah and then you look at how bath
00:28:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Agreed.
00:28:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Like they hype, they're, they're hyping up Dugdale. I don't get that.
00:28:26
Grumpy Old Prop
ah yeah I don't get it either. like look at Look across the way. right You've got three front rows who are just solid front rows. You got two locks who are like, you know what?
00:28:38
Grumpy Old Prop
well We're just going to smash some people. And if we get to carry, we're going to hold the ball and smash some people.
00:28:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, to have two, like to have two is okay, especially at this level, like at club level.
00:28:43
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:28:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:47
Jarrod Dyke
All right, you have two in your pack that are just smashers.
00:28:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:28:49
Jarrod Dyke
You can live with that.
00:28:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Especially when you have fucking Ted Hill, Guy Pepper, and Miles Reed, not to mention the reserves. Like, yeah, Roo and Malonia have jobs, specific jobs to do.
00:29:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And they're that that you know they're that kind of specialist, obviously along with you know the the props and whatnot, because that's their job too. But like, the Flanker's job is to get to you know to run to space.
00:29:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um Speaking of which, have have you met Ted Hill?
00:29:20
Jarrod Dyke
Have you met Ted?
00:29:21
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:29:21
Jarrod Dyke
ah um Yeah.
00:29:22
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:29:24
Jarrod Dyke
ah I'm not sure anybody has, honestly.
00:29:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:27
Jarrod Dyke
The way he just doesn't get any recognition, and we'll talk about that shit in a little bit too.
00:29:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, he got called up.
00:29:32
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:29:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:29:37
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm?
00:29:37
Grumpy Old Prop
At least he got called up today.
00:29:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, du you can call it today?
00:29:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm pretty sure.
00:29:42
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. You know, there's other problems that we can need to discuss, but yeah, okay. Could be worse. um
00:29:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. There's no silver lining for the sale team. Like you're telling me, you're telling me that two curries and a Ford, I gotta turn this team from where it is to top 14.
00:30:05
Grumpy Old Prop
No, not even, because they don't, they're not, again, they're not attacking players.
00:30:07
Jarrod Dyke
I don't believe that for a second.
00:30:12
Grumpy Old Prop
They're purely defensive specialists, which is problematic because that whole team is defensive.
00:30:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there's not an attacking bone in either Curry's body. like but one There's not one little cell in there that says attack.
00:30:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, you so we saw the other, we saw the other week, if you give them the ball, they, you know, as much as they, they like to take the ball from the other team, they also like to give it back when they've got it, which is not,
00:30:27
Jarrod Dyke
Just shucking away.
00:30:32
Jarrod Dyke
but ah
00:30:34
Jarrod Dyke
Eat the ball, Curry's. Trust me, that's your best asset.
00:30:34
Grumpy Old Prop
oh I can here yeah it's like you take this ball it's like almost um water boyish here you take this ball so I can tackle and take it off of you like no just hold on to the ball
00:30:41
Jarrod Dyke
A little bit, a little bit. yeah ah and That's good.
00:30:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause that guy's just going to score. Um, but yeah, there's, it's very, very disappointed in, in Sanderson. Um, and that grows every week.
00:31:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:31:02
Grumpy Old Prop
This is not, come on, you're better than this dad taught you better than this.
00:31:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Well, dad didn't fare so well either this weekend, but
00:31:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, but dad's got an excuse.
00:31:12
Jarrod Dyke
my My thoughts on this are as soon as I found out like spill with stepping into 10 having just signed this week and ah Late enough that they couldn't even get a fucking number on his back.
00:31:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. They had two guys with no number.
00:31:26
Jarrod Dyke
I Was like, wow, that was a really late call then so with that, you know, we were in it and the spirit the boys showed and this being a season that we're not we're not supposed to do anything so
00:31:38
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and I still kind of have the somewhat of a mentality like that. I'd like to not get our ass kicked, which we haven't yet.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:31:44
Jarrod Dyke
So always was good. You know, and some of the boys played well, some of the boys played like poop. And I think that's fair.
00:31:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:31:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But, you know, yeah.
00:31:50
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I think they know who they are.
00:31:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, you know, it's kind of problematic that again, that's not problematic, but look at how, look at what the Sarries were without. And then you look across the way at what Lester were without.
00:32:06
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:32:08
Grumpy Old Prop
There's really not much that they were missing.
00:32:10
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:32:11
Grumpy Old Prop
What, like Jack Van Porphy. Yeah, Chasm. Well, he's out anyway.
00:32:16
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Yeah. i heard And then and Martin.
00:32:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And George Martin. but I would take, you know, just just a Toji and um Earl alone. It's like, yeah, okay. And then, like, Piffletti a lot, but he's not right.
00:32:30
Jarrod Dyke
He's not either of our usual starting hookers by any means whatsoever. Yeah, I mean, his lack of his lack of game time clearly showed because of the throws.
00:32:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And also, like, that's not, you know, they still had some good play.
00:32:40
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I don't think that's a question.
00:32:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, they still have, and they have some international still, like Gonzo. um ah Theo, Maui, like Cindy, they've they've got guys who can play at that level, Tomo has.
00:32:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um so But I mean, they're not, you know, Andre Pollard or Parisi, um and then Watson and and Brown, although it's been ah it's been a spell since since they were really...
00:33:02
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:33:09
Jarrod Dyke
Brown played this game?
00:33:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, here's the fullback.
00:33:12
Jarrod Dyke
We share about that?
00:33:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Pretty sure he's listed on the, on this.
00:33:16
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:33:18
Grumpy Old Prop
He was, he was listed on the, um, in the introductions and he's on.
00:33:21
Jarrod Dyke
Christ's sake, yeah. Are you thick? What's wrong with you? It's a joke.
00:33:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck i' dude. It's been a long day.
00:33:29
Jarrod Dyke
i i didn't i just ah That's more the point. i didn't I don't remember seeing him more often than not.
00:33:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, gotcha. That's fair.
00:33:35
Jarrod Dyke
You know who I do remember seeing and he's, Growing on me slowly, but steadily is Joe Woodward.
00:33:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he's not bad.
00:33:44
Jarrod Dyke
No, he's he's got this in town in there for sure.
00:33:44
Grumpy Old Prop
He played pretty well, yeah. They were talking about him like a Clive Woodward, I guess.
00:33:47
Jarrod Dyke
Without doubts.
00:33:52
Grumpy Old Prop
But it's like, I wanna know, okay, they're like, oh, he's not related to him, but but what about there's been like what about Jason? Like, is he related to Jason? Like there's there's been other Woodward's around.
00:33:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's the more important question because I don't want to be related to Clive Woodward right now. He's a helmet.
00:34:03
Jarrod Dyke
So no, no, no pass on that.
00:34:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, like that's a good thing. What about the other Woodward's? I wanna know.
00:34:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, more important question.
00:34:12
Jarrod Dyke
So, I mean, listen, credit to Lester, they fronted up, they did the job that they need to do that was in front of them.
00:34:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I think all they did.
00:34:18
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, there's, there's many players that did, did well for them. And there's no question about it. You know, yep.
00:34:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Parisi was like when did he did, I thought it was hilarious that he got the.
00:34:25
Jarrod Dyke
Parisi, um, Hassel Collins.
00:34:30
Grumpy Old Prop
um Oh, what should we call it? the um The Mario star, like all of a sudden nobody could tackle him. He's like, I'm just going to offend you.
00:34:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I was like, ah, that's yeah.
00:34:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to run around you. I'm going to run over you. I'm going to know you're not. You can't get me either. like Yeah. Exactly. like ah So I felt when I'm watching him like this guy, but he's not really going anywhere. he's He's going to go back and forth. So I'm like, okay, that's fine. But yeah, hilarious.
00:35:04
Jarrod Dyke
But really in in in the whole grand scheme of things, two bonus points out of that game where there was just you know so much change and and and you know chaos being thrown into the mix last minute.
00:35:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Absolutely.
00:35:17
Jarrod Dyke
Clary had to step in at three as well. That was not really ideal by any means whatsoever.
00:35:19
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:35:21
Jarrod Dyke
I like you out, Clary. You're not a very good player. Let's just be honest about that, okay?
00:35:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah But he did his job he did pretty well for for what they asked him to do like it's yeah I Was I was happy when Hoskins came in
00:35:25
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:35:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, still. All that all that said,
00:35:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, same, same. I was like, yeah, we can get rid of out. Clary, thank you very much. But yeah, two points out of that whole situation could do worse. It's still top four. You know, the funny thing about Saracens is like.
00:35:47
Jarrod Dyke
If you told me we were going to make top four like just fourth place last year, I would freaking smash you in the face and said shut up, which ended up being the case.
00:35:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:35:56
Jarrod Dyke
If you told me that this year, I'd probably break your hand off and say thank you.
00:35:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:36:00
Jarrod Dyke
You know, like really, I'm OK with it.
00:36:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Like shaking it. Like, yeah, I'm very fine with it.
00:36:04
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I'm okay with it.
00:36:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and they're well above the bubble too.
00:36:05
Jarrod Dyke
It's a good stepping stone and what happened, whatever happens happens, right?
00:36:08
Grumpy Old Prop
So like you're, yeah, they're two points out of first and they're five points out of fifth. Like that's okay.
00:36:16
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:36:16
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. This, uh, and really in the end, like my one worry coming into this last stretch of games was we were going to go into the break with three losses on the spin, but they managed to pull one out of the fire.
00:36:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll take it.
00:36:28
Jarrod Dyke
So that is a sign of, that's a positive sign for me as, ah as a fan of this team. So.
00:36:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:36:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, please. Thank you very much. Um, however, yeah, listen, less than I do.
00:36:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's with both your fly ups hurt. So.
00:36:42
Jarrod Dyke
However, if you're a fan, a fan of the fuck sticks down in Devin, I don't know what your excuse is because they ate the fucking salary cap.
00:36:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:36:52
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:36:52
Jarrod Dyke
You're out of that one. That one's gone. So now what?
00:36:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, this the problem, you know, looking back at it, the problem with with Exeter is that they're still constructed the same way they always have been.
Exeter's Team Challenges
00:37:06
Grumpy Old Prop
There's just one thing that's that's that's different to me. um And that's they don't have someone like Sam Simmons to just kind of go where he wants to around the field and attack space.
00:37:19
Grumpy Old Prop
and can do it effectively. They just have a bunch of guys who can crash. And Fizzilow can do okay in space, but he's like lua-tua-like. Same thing with Vincent, we saw. right Give him a little bit of space. He can do some damage, but he's not making it for himself.
00:37:39
Jarrod Dyke
No, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, and I was, I was watching, I think it was, I think it was one, I think it was the East girl try.
00:37:39
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:37:54
Jarrod Dyke
The defense is undone by a cutout and and a two on one.
00:37:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's it.
00:37:59
Jarrod Dyke
That's it.
00:38:01
Grumpy Old Prop
It's, oh, we, we rush up to get to you.
00:38:02
Jarrod Dyke
This vaunted defense that England seemed to be relying on, apparently,
00:38:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Yeah.
00:38:08
Jarrod Dyke
is beaten by a cutout pass from Jared Evans. This is not Marcus Smith, by the way, or Finn Russell.
00:38:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:38:12
Jarrod Dyke
This is Jared Evans.
00:38:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:38:15
Jarrod Dyke
Beat by that and then a two on one.
00:38:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:19
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sorry, what's good about that?
00:38:22
Jarrod Dyke
Please explain to me why you want to emulate that defense. I'm im lost.
00:38:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know.
00:38:27
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, tell me about it.
00:38:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Because there's better defenses out there.
00:38:31
Grumpy Old Prop
A lot better right now. Actually, most of them are better right now. And and then all with that said, they have the the comms had a nerve to be like, oh, it must be because of that focus.
00:38:43
Grumpy Old Prop
They've they've had this this really strong focus on defense today. must be That must be why the yeah the attack is kind of sluggish.
00:38:49
Jarrod Dyke
yeah but Healy figured it out before you guys did apparently He already answered the question guys It's it's it's spoiler.
00:38:52
Grumpy Old Prop
and Right. Right. He healy got to it, guys. He beat you. Maybe.
00:39:01
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just what they are.
00:39:02
Jarrod Dyke
It's not that it's not that they're they're just bad
00:39:04
Grumpy Old Prop
it They're just not good at attack or defense. And the problem is teams have figured it out. I don't know why it took this long, um but it took, I guess, till last year.
00:39:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And and maybe it was because they had to to to kind of get over the, oh, Sam Simmons isn't walking out on that field. Like we don't we can we can kind of just defend who's there and instead of thinking about who's not there.
00:39:24
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:39:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, like in this game, do you really care if Will Rigg or Henry Slade get the ball?
00:39:35
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:39:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm like, okay, yeah, we we got a prop who can tackle either of you. you i'm I'm fine with that. I'm going to move on to the more dangerous. I'm going to defend the the more dangerous person, the Brown Bampo, but Woodburner, Hodge.
00:39:45
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:39:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Hodge had very little space to work with for most of the match.
00:39:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. didn't Didn't rig knock ah not a try on.
00:39:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I think so. like
00:39:58
Jarrod Dyke
This, so there's two things and then we can get past this damn thing. One, like people are like, Oh, last year was so great. I don't think people realize that they got a good chunk of their points early on in the season when there were a lot of guys either rested or away.
00:40:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:40:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like that game against Saris where they like, they feasted on, right.
00:40:13
Jarrod Dyke
So I think they need to understand that we're starting to have nobody.
00:40:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Sarisons had more players this past weekend than they had when they, they got smooshed by, by Exeter last year.
00:40:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:24
Jarrod Dyke
And Exeter had almost most, I think San's like one or two players, they had almost their whole regular 15 that they were playing on playing with that year.
00:40:24
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:40:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Roster. Yeah. Right.
00:40:33
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah. So, and it was the same way for the first like three, four rounds.
00:40:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Kind of like they did in this match. this is this is who is Who's not on this Exeter team? Like, I don't see any space that's, you know, made oh, well, obviously, Feiwaboso.
00:40:47
Jarrod Dyke
That's it.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But Woodburn's not, no slouch. That's not a ah may massive downgrade.
00:40:53
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, I would burn is one of the better players. It's never going to get a cap.
00:40:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. and
00:40:58
Jarrod Dyke
If he's gotten one that I don't know about, sorry, but like, Mm
00:41:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you look across the way at the people who are missing from that. And it's like, from the, from the quins and, and exit room, like, yeah, no, you're not, you're just not ready anymore.
00:41:06
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:41:12
Grumpy Old Prop
If you're, or you're, the book is is open and you're toast.
00:41:12
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:41:16
Jarrod Dyke
No, either way, either way, you're both you're focused.
00:41:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Either way is fine. Either way is fine.
00:41:21
Jarrod Dyke
others ah there's
00:41:25
Jarrod Dyke
What's the space show the hell from from super bad Oh Man anyway um Power rankings 10 Newcastle By the way Xers vaunted defense the only one that's worse is Newcastle
00:41:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:41:50
Grumpy Old Prop
That says a lot.
00:41:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Um, nine.
00:41:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Still exit here.
00:41:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
00:41:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Actually my, my, my, I can just say right now, my 10 is unchanged, but we can go through them. Cause yeah, I saw no changes.
00:42:02
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, they are. Okay. So gloss or remain at eight.
00:42:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Gloucester remained at eight sale remain at seven.
00:42:08
Jarrod Dyke
hit Seven. Although they're probably teetering on that one there now.
00:42:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I to see Gloucester win against someone a little bit better than Newcastle um before that happens.
00:42:19
Jarrod Dyke
New castle. Yeah. Not, not, not wrong. Um, Lester six.
00:42:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, um and it's i would they I wanted them to pump up because, yeah, it was against a kind of a
00:42:33
Grumpy Old Prop
one C squad. But it was still a win on the road at stone X, which is massive. You know, I can't underrate that.
00:42:42
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:42:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um But at the same time, then you look who's above them quins.
00:42:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, not, not enough has been, I mean, Carla coins actually did more to solidify themselves with anything.
00:42:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I to me, it was a question of do they move above Saints?
00:42:51
Jarrod Dyke
And Yeah.
00:42:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And I just can't again, with all the people that they were missing. No, I can't, because Bristol are still ahead of them like, and it was at home. So
00:43:01
Jarrod Dyke
So Carla comes five, Northampton four, three, Brizz, the Brizz, Saracens two, and the mighty bath men hanging on it.
00:43:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yep. Bath.
00:43:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Other bathroom now putting putting a little bit of this like.
00:43:12
Jarrod Dyke
Number one.
00:43:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Bath and putting distance between themselves in the pack at the moment.
00:43:17
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:43:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:43:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, you know, but only because, you know, saris have lost two out of three.
00:43:22
Grumpy Old Prop
So do better.
00:43:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'll be interested to see when that game hits. that's and That's not for a little bit.
00:43:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:27
Jarrod Dyke
I don't think it's actually don't think that game hits until after Champions Cup kicks off.
00:43:31
Jarrod Dyke
So it'll be it'll be a minute. So but it'll be hopefully it's just as tantalizing then as it is in my brain right now.
00:43:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:43:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:43:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:40
Jarrod Dyke
Hopefully.
00:43:40
Grumpy Old Prop
All right, we got some matches like good matches to look like I was thinking about this. And, you know, because we I'm now you know because I'm playing URC fantasy, I'm watching that more um and paying it, paying attention to it more.
00:43:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I watched a little bit this this week, too.
Premiership Rugby Entertainment Value
00:43:55
Grumpy Old Prop
I watched the Leinster match with one of the guys who on the way back from you mean watching all sorts of rugby that day ah was fun.
00:44:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:04
Jarrod Dyke
Well, she had to do it on a bus ride for four hours.
00:44:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah. I watched the Newcastle game with a former Newcastle player. That was fun. um he was He was, yeah.
00:44:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, you must have been all about that.
00:44:18
Grumpy Old Prop
He was maybe still but buzzing over the the win against Exeter. so um But either way, it was it was kind it was a lot of fun watching watching a whole bunch of rugby on a bus ride.
00:44:21
Jarrod Dyke
but I don't doubt
00:44:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I still got to say, I think the premiership but right now is the most entertaining of at least between those two. um I've watched some um top 14 as well, but I haven't watched like good top 14 just kind of it was on.
00:44:41
Jarrod Dyke
No, neither have I.
00:44:42
Jarrod Dyke
And I don't I don't dare throw that under the bus quite yet. I know some of the games I've watched have been
00:44:42
Grumpy Old Prop
So I threw one on.
00:44:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but.
00:44:48
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah I'm not, I'm not ready to throw that white out the window yet.
00:44:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but like you're saying with with the points like this is an entertaining league. This is it has become it has gone from kind of boring. I think we're saying that what two years ago.
00:45:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, about two years ago, I'd say it's probably right.
00:45:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um That's like this is just it's direct to now it's high paced, it's attacking, it's entertaining. It's a show.
00:45:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think that's going to be really good for the um for the sport in England. over the long term, they gotta keep it up though.
00:45:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, totally. Yeah, there are, yeah, I mean, seven. Yeah, seven or six of the teams, um we'll call it'll call it seven. But anyway, a lot of the teams do have those bonus points too. So they're clearly right there and almost every time. So almost every time, but very often.
00:45:43
Jarrod Dyke
Very often. So yeah, it's not to say that it's bad, but yeah. Certainly, certainly going to be competitive and put some, put, put bums in seats and then have them stand up out of them afterwards.
00:45:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Exactly.
00:45:57
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Players, coaches, officials outdid themselves.
00:46:06
Grumpy Old Prop
The players I mentioned one. Hold on. Let me get back to it. Let me find him again. um Shoot. Oh, yeah, Revovo.
00:46:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, good one.
00:46:17
Grumpy Old Prop
absolutely outdid himself. um Well, though, did himself, but we haven't seen it in a bit, so.
00:46:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, definitely.
00:46:26
Jarrod Dyke
Shout to Lian Infante and then Mick Campbell, obviously, from as we mentioned earlier.
00:46:28
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah.
00:46:31
Jarrod Dyke
um Jared Evans.
00:46:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:46:34
Jarrod Dyke
like we We think of Jared Evans as just, oh no. Every time Quinn's shoot up with him at 10, it's like, oh, this could be bad.
00:46:38
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:46:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:42
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, we did see a little bit of that when they played sale earlier this year, um, first round with him at 10, but yeah, but like look good. Like you set the ball around a little bit.
00:46:51
Grumpy Old Prop
When it works, it's so much fun. Yeah.
00:46:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Did well, did well.
00:46:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um I have Oscar Beard.
00:47:00
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Yeah. I mean, he's, he scored and did, what did okay.
00:47:03
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he's been. Something out playing himself like he's he's playing a lot better than I expected him to play.
00:47:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. That's, that's the point.
00:47:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:47:10
Grumpy Old Prop
um And what he's been, so he's taken that next step, which I like to see.
00:47:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Um, the other Evans as well.
00:47:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, he had a day.
00:47:21
Jarrod Dyke
Some, some idiot called him the star of the week.
00:47:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, we should, we should shake that idiot's hand and say, congratulations.
00:47:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:47:30
Jarrod Dyke
No idea where I pulled that one right out of my butt too. Cause the guy i originally was going to pick was not playing. So I was like, damn. Oh no, actually I did call that. Didn't I? I called that from the beginning. I forgot. I've either had too much beer or not enough.
00:47:31
Grumpy Old Prop
You were right.
00:47:43
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know which one. We mentioned Parisรฉ, Batley, obviously as well.
00:47:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:47:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And no, it too.
00:47:49
Jarrod Dyke
um Yep. And then I wanted to give Seville a shout out because getting thrown into that like so short notice and just being like, oh, by the way, you're starting today.
00:48:00
Jarrod Dyke
He's like, huh?
00:48:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. oh Yeah.
00:48:02
Jarrod Dyke
Run that by me one more time? And played pretty well.
00:48:04
Grumpy Old Prop
They just want to try.
00:48:05
Jarrod Dyke
Played reasonably well, scored a try. The kicking was weak.
00:48:10
Jarrod Dyke
The tee on the cone. I've never seen that in my life.
00:48:10
Grumpy Old Prop
ah No, I haven't seen
Unconventional Rugby Techniques
00:48:15
Grumpy Old Prop
that.
00:48:15
Jarrod Dyke
ah but the But the only other thing I've seen is, and this isn't done anymore, but I'm sure many of you will remember it, was the sand pile.
00:48:23
Jarrod Dyke
Remember the sand pile? That was a good one. this the the It's only second to the fellow that took his kit off, rolled it up, and made a tee out of it, and kicked the conversion off of it.
00:48:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's yeah.
00:48:35
Jarrod Dyke
Only second to that.
00:48:38
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, like, actually, one of my one of players is like, why is he doing that? And I'm like.
00:48:44
Jarrod Dyke
It's private doing it all his life.
00:48:44
Grumpy Old Prop
That's right.
00:48:45
Jarrod Dyke
So it's just like, why change it?
00:48:46
Grumpy Old Prop
That's right. That's his business. If it works, it works. Who gives a shit?
00:48:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's one of those weird things where kickers have things and routines and just let it go.
00:48:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:55
Jarrod Dyke
You know, let, you know, the weird shit that happens go, whether it's a Wilkinson, you know, pomp or the big arena or anything of the sort, you know,
00:49:04
Grumpy Old Prop
The only thing that's unacceptable is the Mackenzie smile before you fucking honk it.
00:49:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Agree with that one. Screw that one. Any other, anybody else that outdid themselves?
00:49:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, I think that's a good enough list.
00:49:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I did too. Shat it.
00:49:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I gotta say Zack Mercer. Again.
00:49:27
Jarrod Dyke
No, yeah, I mean, he's been, we've talked about it.
00:49:29
Grumpy Old Prop
He did.
00:49:30
Jarrod Dyke
His brain's in France already.
00:49:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. It's just unfortunate because it's just a complete ghost out there.
00:49:34
Jarrod Dyke
I know, sucks. Sucks for his team and, you know, in a way, unfortunately, it's a little bit unprofessional too.
00:49:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It kind of is.
00:49:41
Jarrod Dyke
I hate to say that.
00:49:41
Grumpy Old Prop
He's just.
00:49:42
Jarrod Dyke
I hate to say that. I like the guy a lot. I really do, but man, like, right.
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's. Watching him, the the effort's not the same, like though his his movement around the field, his like, give me that ball, I'm going to run through this like massive hole.
00:49:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know why he doesn't want to do that anymore, but yeah.
00:49:59
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe skips can have a conversation with them and be like, listen, I need you to be the player you used to be, or we need to talk about getting you to another place.
00:50:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. You can just get the fuck out now.
00:50:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:50:09
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I really, I really think that needs to happen while this, we're into the prime cut phase, which he probably won't see a whole lot of.
00:50:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Right.
00:50:15
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, I mean, Slade, Exeter, Baxter, make your pick.
00:50:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well. Well, I mean, Slade did well enough to get called up and starting.
00:50:23
Jarrod Dyke
None of it. None of it is good.
00:50:27
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck?
00:50:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we'll, we'll get there. Don't you worry.
00:50:31
Grumpy Old Prop
But.
00:50:31
Jarrod Dyke
Don't you worry. Um, James Harper for, for sale, just getting his ass absolutely kicked by Benno Abano.
00:50:34
Grumpy Old Prop
It's.
00:50:39
Grumpy Old Prop
her ah
00:50:39
Jarrod Dyke
and that's crap, to the point where 30 minutes in they said, this young pup is gonna come on for you.
00:50:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:50:44
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, that's one of those things where it's like, you're gonna get so much shit for that in the locker room, like holy crap.
00:50:50
Grumpy Old Prop
home Yeah, not not good.
00:50:52
Jarrod Dyke
How are you shit, boys?
00:50:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, so I'm trying to to sort through.
00:51:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause no, yeah, I don't.
00:51:06
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I got one, Leo.
00:51:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh yeah.
00:51:09
Jarrod Dyke
fucking Murley ended up on on the ground after jumping up for a ball and nothing.
00:51:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Nothing.
00:51:15
Jarrod Dyke
Not even a fucking penalty. I was like, huh? Like dude never had a shot at the ball. What the fuck you doing?
00:51:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know what like he does.
00:51:24
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:51:26
Jarrod Dyke
Beats me. Yeah. He so he sucks. Like they love to pump him up and he sucks.
00:51:29
Grumpy Old Prop
He does.
00:51:32
Jarrod Dyke
He really does.
00:51:34
Jarrod Dyke
Um, all right. Uh, try the week.
00:51:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm saying just doing like kicking the ball and somehow being the first person there despite many other opposition.
00:51:39
Jarrod Dyke
Mm. Again.
00:51:50
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, the ball does funny things sometimes too.
00:51:52
Grumpy Old Prop
It does. It's Oh, that one bounced. So just the bounce. Fuck.
00:51:56
Jarrod Dyke
Didn't do anybody any favors back there.
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember who was back there for it. But um
00:52:00
Jarrod Dyke
I think Harrison and maybe Gemma Jo.
00:52:03
Grumpy Old Prop
how I think it was Harrison, who otherwise had a fantastic day and actually deserves, um yeah, she she deserves a shout out as as one of the players who outdid herself.
00:52:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. She didn't know she got to play the match, so.
00:52:10
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:52:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:52:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um we We missed that.
00:52:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um Zoe Harrison there.
00:52:15
Jarrod Dyke
Fair point.
00:52:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um But no, that on that plate, she got fucked by the ball. And MSN is like, okay, well, I'll just keep going with it then.
00:52:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:25
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I suppose.
00:52:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yes. um Yeah, not cool.
00:52:31
Jarrod Dyke
I went with the second Will Evans try that.
00:52:34
Jarrod Dyke
um Yep. And that he just backdoored it.
00:52:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Was that the one like off the shin and like, yeah.
00:52:37
Grumpy Old Prop
that Yeah.
00:52:38
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, wow. Okay. That one deserves a recognition. It was really, it was good.
00:52:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I was, yeah I wanted to recognize that one too.
00:52:44
Jarrod Dyke
It was really good. I was like, you know, every once in a while, Chisholm has one of those days where it's just like, this is just fun to watch it. And that was one of those days. so Yeah. Considering Will Evans balled one try and he at least scored two to make up for it.
00:52:58
Jarrod Dyke
So can you credit?
00:53:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't Hendy have a bit of a scorcher too?
00:53:02
Jarrod Dyke
He did have a good day.
00:53:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:04
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I mean, like I thought he had, his try was pretty sweet.
00:53:06
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, you're right. I had him down as one of the better ones as well.
00:53:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I can't, I can't, yeah, I can't remember it offhand, but I remember it being awesome. Cause that's what he does.
00:53:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:53:14
Grumpy Old Prop
He just scores amazing tries.
00:53:15
Jarrod Dyke
He does some good ones that tall glass of carrot juice.
00:53:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And, um, was it, uh, no, the Thomas Williams try, um, but where, uh, Wade just pumped it up and then caught it and then put him through.
00:53:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, yep. Nice little piece of work there. um Yeah, Coach Ref and young player.
00:53:30
Grumpy Old Prop
That was pretty sweet.
00:53:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, my. I guess my. ah
00:53:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Cheka has to be my. My coach of the week.
00:53:55
Jarrod Dyke
I had him on my list too.
00:53:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Because he's doing just a hell of a job, it's just like.
Coaching and Refereeing Impact
00:54:01
Jarrod Dyke
Doing good with what he's got.
00:54:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, um kind of showing why they made that decision when they did.
00:54:04
Jarrod Dyke
And if he gets more, he'll do better.
00:54:07
Jarrod Dyke
Right. I went with Danny Wilson from Queens.
00:54:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Okay. Sure.
00:54:13
Jarrod Dyke
Both coaches won in places that they don't win very often to say the least.
00:54:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:16
Jarrod Dyke
So give them credit.
00:54:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly.
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
Give both of them credit.
00:54:22
Jarrod Dyke
Official.
00:54:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, fuck, there was another, was it, who was, who wrapped the saris match?
00:54:31
Jarrod Dyke
um That was Carly.
00:54:34
Grumpy Old Prop
I swear there was another one where there were there should have been a high Oh, yeah, I think there should have been or they're like the TMO was trying to talk someone into a card again.
00:54:43
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:54:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And he was like, not having it after a while. I was like, No, there was just clearly no, that was last week. Fuck when it was saris. I don't remember what it was this week.
00:54:51
Jarrod Dyke
No, there was that. There was that, too. um Yeah.
00:54:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. That happened again. I just can't remember which match and man, they all ran together this weekend as I watched them all on a bus.
00:55:02
Jarrod Dyke
Because you because you probably just trick and watch them all back to back to back there, Chief.
00:55:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I, that's kind of what happened. So, um, yeah.
00:55:07
Jarrod Dyke
the Give you a guess here, Chief. But um you know, small shout out to tempo. And it's I think this is the first match he's done this year.
00:55:19
Jarrod Dyke
um Very tempo, but also not bad.
00:55:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh yeah. No. Yeah, no, i'll give I'll give you that tempo.
00:55:23
Jarrod Dyke
All things considered.
00:55:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought I remember him. I remember thinking while I was watching that match that he was doing a good job.
00:55:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, it was Carly at the Saracens, by the way.
00:55:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:55:33
Jarrod Dyke
um But I'll give it to Dixkin. Couple of decisions that he got right. You know, but says that says a lot.
00:55:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know it's just, what's the world coming to?
00:55:42
Jarrod Dyke
that says a lot I know, right? Somebody take that elevator all the way down and check on what the heck's going on down there.
00:55:48
Grumpy Old Prop
so Yeah, I'm a little scared. Yeah, do they turn the AC on Yeah um We talked about them already ah but George make peace cubit Yeah, right
00:55:56
Jarrod Dyke
They fixed it. Well, not that turned it on, it's a different story. ah Young player.
00:56:10
Jarrod Dyke
Cube it, yep, same, had him down. Yep. Pretty good. He played himself pretty well for getting just chucked into the fire, especially down at Bristol, especially down at Bristol.
00:56:21
Jarrod Dyke
Although but we mentioned Woodward as well, and I would have given him a shout as well.
00:56:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, not but not bad from him.
00:56:28
Jarrod Dyke
Player of the week.
00:56:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Honestly, I'm going with Rovovo.
00:56:34
Jarrod Dyke
Nice. Good pick. I like it. I like it.
00:56:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Because that's it was like more than it was was about more than just himself. It's about what that represents for the the future of the Bears this year, and fuck.
00:56:46
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:56:48
Jarrod Dyke
It's bad news for a lot of the leak.
00:56:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck. Yeah.
00:56:50
Jarrod Dyke
That's what that is. I went, um, I went Tyrone Green and the, the try that wasn't, Oh, the East Grove kick, it was he, Oh.
00:56:55
Grumpy Old Prop
That's also a good shout. because right put I still think I should have applied the rule of cool.
00:57:04
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, that these two guys read it and they just knew what was happening. They're just like, I was like, Oh, please let this stand. And it was clearly a forward pass. Sadly, it didn't need to be either. You could have put that where it was supposed to be and not in front and you were fine. All right.
00:57:22
Jarrod Dyke
Too cool. So do it.
00:57:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah yeah just yeah did he okay did we have a problem with some people of uh following all the rules yeah but it was really fucking cool oh okay yeah the
00:57:33
Jarrod Dyke
It was a really good try that just didn't stand and it's all right. Dick of the week.
00:57:41
Grumpy Old Prop
tmo who called back that try
00:57:48
Jarrod Dyke
ah Fair point. I'll give you that one. ah Well, this will get us into the last three minutes of discussion if we can manage it. My dick of the week is steep work, Mike.
00:58:03
Grumpy Old Prop
ah fuck That's a that's a very late entry but accepted because that's from today But they haven't even named a team which really annoys me Yeah, but I want to know I
00:58:05
Jarrod Dyke
That.
00:58:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I want to. Here's the thing I want. I kind of want this game to just like implode. Because um I haven't been loving what the all blacks are doing either, so.
00:58:23
Jarrod Dyke
Well, it's Tuesday, they'll they'll do it but by the time we have time, most people hear this old name one probably.
00:58:30
Grumpy Old Prop
I wanna know now.
00:58:31
Jarrod Dyke
I do do. I don't agree with that. I mean, I did see something where basically Bowden Barrett played himself into the tension by not playing.
00:58:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:58:40
Jarrod Dyke
So hopefully that is the truth. TMO was Tom Foley, by the way, in that match.
00:58:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Of course, of course, fucking of course, Tom Follery.
00:58:47
Jarrod Dyke
One of your favorites.
00:58:52
Jarrod Dyke
um i
00:58:57
Jarrod Dyke
Curry Slade Ford. And you don't even name a guy like that's going to be able to do the job if Slade gets hurt because he's probably going to now. And it's like, because he does.
00:59:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I swear Ford has pictures of, of everybody, everybody.
00:59:11
Jarrod Dyke
He does.
00:59:12
Jarrod Dyke
Because there's no way he should be near this team.
00:59:13
Grumpy Old Prop
He's vice captain to from the bench.
00:59:14
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck? No, cause yeah. Cause like, okay. So let's say slave gets hurt. Right.
00:59:22
Jarrod Dyke
Again.
00:59:24
Grumpy Old Prop
You have, that means you, you're, you have to move forward to 10 because he can't really do anything else. And then Smith has to go to fullback.
00:59:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, you're moving. And you're moving for your minute 15 or 13 excuse me.
00:59:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Freeman Freeman the 13 and now for bank just has to hang out on the wing because I Mean I don't think yeah, there's a little bit of a jump there Right Oh It's late can't handle him I Don't get that I just don't I
00:59:40
Jarrod Dyke
And and Freeman hasn't played 13 at this level. Like you're asking and we know that that we know those all blacks are gonna have a good center pairing. If they pick on form right now, it's gonna be Billy Proctor and he's a nightmare right now. No, no chance.
01:00:03
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, shit, put laws out there.
01:00:06
Jarrod Dyke
Lawz is better than Slade, all day right now, all day. Everything you want out of Slade, Lawz does better right now.
01:00:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:13
Jarrod Dyke
His passes are better, his kicking's better, he can defend better.
01:00:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:00:17
Jarrod Dyke
like How hard does Lawzowski usually hit if he nails someone?
01:00:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Hard enough. and Yeah.
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
Certainly a lot harder than fucking Slade does. like we I can tell you this much in my memory, I'm not just doing this because it's biased because I watch so much fucking rugby. I can tell you I've got more Lawz kill shots in my head than I have Slade.
01:00:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Now and Right and and Slade Slade is a member of the clean shirt club way too often and I know that would be a problem in this match because it's on turf but still like you still get the little bit of the green on you sometimes like I Don't know.
01:00:36
Jarrod Dyke
And that's with Slade playing more rugby because he's also played international, like fuck off with the shit. Truth.
01:00:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't see like I don't get it. I just don't I Thought they're at Allianz
01:01:00
Jarrod Dyke
Wait, to did Twickenham change over the turf?
01:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
No, they're at the right time.
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. For some reason i i I, for some reason I thought it saw, um, I thought it wasn't a token.
01:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
they
01:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, it's a trigger.
01:01:14
Grumpy Old Prop
But, okay. It's been a long couple days.
01:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
It'll be it'll be a trigger.
01:01:18
Jarrod Dyke
Don't you worry? Don't you worry? um Yeah, I just don't.
01:01:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:01:27
Jarrod Dyke
I don't get it. And then you don't need to curries in an international team. You really don't need one. You definitely don't need to.
01:01:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:01:34
Jarrod Dyke
and a 6-2 split is just like, it's trendy. That's all it really is. It's not a fucking good idea though.
01:01:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's right. No, that's right. it is It's Allianz now. Duh.
01:01:45
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, that's right. I forgot that they named they gave it a sponsor name.
01:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
You're right. You're right. So we were both right.
01:01:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:51
Grumpy Old Prop
We're both right.
01:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
We were both right. Yes, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you're thinking old aliens, not this one.
01:01:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I was confused.
01:02:00
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, I just,
01:02:04
Grumpy Old Prop
It doesn't make sense.
01:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
Whatever.
01:02:05
Jarrod Dyke
i'm i'm Listen, I'm okay with this like being a 12-6 match and just everyone hating it and being like, this was terrible rugby. Well, they were terrible teams picks, so no fucking shit.
01:02:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't like the 6-2.
01:02:12
Grumpy Old Prop
no
01:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
you know
01:02:17
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:02:18
Jarrod Dyke
It's not really a shocker. I don't i don't know what the All Blacks projected lineup is, but...
01:02:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah Right, I just don't yeah, I don't get it um There's just a lot, you know and but obviously if you were listening to us, you know The love we have for for Dom Brant And I want him to succeed. I want him to be better than he's shown. He's shown very um You know, last couple of seasons, Billy Vuna Paula, uh, when he's, when he's been at this level.
01:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
So I hope he can you know sort out those hands and, um, really show up a little bit, but at the same time, there's too much, too many weird, too much weirdness going on.
01:02:47
Jarrod Dyke
in a white shirt. Yeah.
01:03:01
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:03:02
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not, this isn't right.
01:03:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And again, right. It's this's with the curries. What do they bring? Why would you have two? You don't need two.
01:03:08
Jarrod Dyke
no
01:03:09
Jarrod Dyke
No. If you tell me Ben, Ben Curry hasn't played that much. He's a clone of his brother. Like they play the same game.
01:03:10
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't, yeah.
01:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
that's this yeah
01:03:16
Jarrod Dyke
Like don't give me that.
Player Evaluations and Leadership Critiques
01:03:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And they give you like, again, there's too many guys out here that give you like, not enough and attack um among the pack. And that's, that's the problem.
01:03:28
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:03:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Like George Martin. Yeah. Okay. He gives you those hard runs and. He'll run into space a little bit, but he's not a game breaker. Toge's never been a game breaker and attack that. That's fine. he He turns the ball over all the fucking time, much better than than Curry does, because he can do it in all sorts of different areas of play, whereas Curry can really only do it as a Jackler.
01:03:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm
01:03:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And I mean, either Curry. um
01:03:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, either I don't make it back like the way he played the summer against y'all blackstone.
01:03:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And it's like it's something coming himself is ah he he can move a little bit. That'll be good. um
01:04:03
Jarrod Dyke
I think what we did too. That's why I played him.
01:04:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
That's why he's playing him
01:04:06
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm kind of happy.
01:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's take one of those. I'm happy about certain things, but others I'm just super confused. Like, yeah, it is.
01:04:11
Jarrod Dyke
Spencer, ah Spencer getting a start at nine is just as like long overdue, long overdue. Thank you, Eddie, you fucking asshole.
01:04:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:04:20
Jarrod Dyke
Like I, yeah, I'm not getting a lot of it. ah carriery And how many vice captains are on the fucking team?
01:04:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Four.
01:04:29
Jarrod Dyke
That is a joke. That is such a joke.
01:04:32
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
01:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And one's on the bench.
01:04:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Give me a break.
01:04:36
Jarrod Dyke
like you're you're just like, I'm sorry, Bartha, when did you become Eddie?
01:04:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:04:41
Jarrod Dyke
Like, Jesus, that's basically, this isn't eddy anything, really, at this point.
01:04:43
Grumpy Old Prop
and well And the problem is if he does want to play an open style, which I think he does, because again, that's where the prem is heading.
01:04:43
Jarrod Dyke
Like, that's not been his DNA, though, and this, i've i'm I'm more out on Borthwick than Ben is, by the way, so.
01:04:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I would think that would be somewhat of of his...
01:04:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know.
01:04:59
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:05:00
Jarrod Dyke
um This, the yeah, no, I, yeah.
01:05:00
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm still holding out hope because I've seen it go in a good direction, but this is not More of that. This is where this is backsliding the Ford shouldn't even be on like on the roster Anyway, it should be Finn Smith if you want to bring someone in you bring in fucking Finn Smith You don't need more leadership out there.
01:05:14
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:05:15
Grumpy Old Prop
You've got enough leadership out there You
01:05:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's your excuse to bring him in then.
01:05:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you've lost the plot.
01:05:21
Grumpy Old Prop
don't it's what's the point is who's gonna be on your World Cup roster?
01:05:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Is it gonna be George Ford or is it gonna be Finn Smith? It's gonna be Finn Smith Afford might be on the roster, but yeah, you've clearly not, you know, no.
01:05:29
Jarrod Dyke
If it's George Ford, then you've clearly lost it. Yeah, I mean, it may, there may be one of two in the next World Cup roster for England, that's either Ford or Farrell, we'll see.
01:05:43
Jarrod Dyke
um But either way, you you you need to give these players time. You need to give need to give these players some freaking minutes. like Knock it off.
01:05:54
Jarrod Dyke
like
01:05:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:05:55
Grumpy Old Prop
What Tom Curry, like you said, like, well, you know, with the Currys and the Slades, they're not suddenly going to become like Henry Slade isn't going to turn into Rico, you want a or or Proctor out there.
01:06:09
Jarrod Dyke
Not a chance.
01:06:09
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not going to happen. He's Henry Slade. That's what he is.
01:06:12
Jarrod Dyke
The most overrated 13. in tier one rugby without a doubt.
01:06:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, so.
01:06:20
Jarrod Dyke
I don't get it. So yeah, I'm out on Borthwick.
01:06:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:23
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know who else you would get, but like, I think if England really have ambitions, they need to fucking get rid of them. But that's just me. i'm I know I'm probably in the minority on that. Honestly, Lazowski is better than Slade.
01:06:35
Jarrod Dyke
Come and get me, please.
01:06:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I Will stand on that yeah, no I
01:06:38
Jarrod Dyke
Please, I'm so over this bullshit, this guy sucks. Like, I saw nothing, I saw nothing in Devin, nothing in Devin that said, this guy should be a 13 against the All Blacks, not a fucking chance.
01:06:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Did he play I mean I think going back with that the Mike Brown think did even the slave even play I didn't really I don't remember seeing him contributing um Okay, that doesn't
01:06:57
Jarrod Dyke
he put Apparently he put someone into a hole, y you have to fucking do. Oh, you got a second distributor. You have all the distributors in this England team if you want them.
01:07:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:07:06
Jarrod Dyke
It's a matter of, do you wanna actually play rugby or do you wanna just say that you have these guys and fucking hammer the ball up the field on your foot 10 times?
01:07:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause right. I tell you, yeah. Cause I'll tell you what you want. Someone who at the moment is being an excellent distributor is running extremely well. It's actually defending pretty damn well and still has a fucking cannon for a boot.
01:07:25
Grumpy Old Prop
There's one guy we haven't even mentioned who's on the, who's on the roster.
01:07:29
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:07:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's Elliot daily.
01:07:31
Jarrod Dyke
daily, who is not a lot of people's most popular player.
01:07:35
Jarrod Dyke
And I have my days where I'm just like, what the fuck is he doing? and
01:07:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:07:38
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:07:38
Grumpy Old Prop
But this year he's been um on in some incredible form.
01:07:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and he's taking a he's taken ownership of of his role as one of the older guys on the Saracens too, which speaks well to his personality. So um especially in that, especially in that Bristol match where he had a lot of, he was wiping a lot of noses and you know taking care of a lot of diapers
01:07:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
Expectations for All Blacks Match and Conclusion
01:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
over there.
01:07:58
Grumpy Old Prop
the
01:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
And he did pretty damn well. but for himself. So given that, but yeah, I, I, you know, like I said, this match could, depending on what the like all blacks lineup is, this match could implode and I'd be okay with it. Like 12, four, so I know that's impossible. 12, five, something like that. And just, yep. Cool. We saw, we saw a match. We did not see a regular match. That's probably, that's pretty much my generic prediction for what's going to happen Saturday.
01:08:26
Jarrod Dyke
Won't be sad. I'm missing it right off the bat. I'll wait till I get home tonight. That that night half in the bag.
01:08:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:31
Jarrod Dyke
That's for sure. but All right. Anyway, that's that.
01:08:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:36
Jarrod Dyke
We're done. All right. Anyway, so that's that. Enjoy your arm in nationals this weekend. um If you missed the beginning of the show, no fantasy corner this week because we don't have a lost art sets.
01:08:46
Jarrod Dyke
Well, we will put our PWR picks out there. Don't you worry.
01:08:50
Grumpy Old Prop
We will.
01:08:50
Jarrod Dyke
They'll be out there. I'm still accepting those. to Um, good news on the PWR front is we did get some additional stats for this past round. I need to bug the guy for the previous two rounds now and maybe fix the Bristol ones that we missed too.
01:09:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:09:05
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, I'm going to be a nuisance. This guy's going to hate my guts. That's all right. Um, but yeah, get in line.
01:09:09
Grumpy Old Prop
We're used to it. yeah Right.
01:09:13
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
01:09:13
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
So we will have that and I'll do my best to update those stats as fast as possible. But other than that, we do appreciate everyone that listens to us and lets us babble into their ear for a wee bit.
01:09:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:09:23
Jarrod Dyke
Enjoy their Autumn International's openings this weekend. Have a good one, folks. Take care.
01:09:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:09:28
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.