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Season 7- Episode 4- It's Not Just About This Week (PWR GOTW & Premiership Round 3)
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It's more from those American rugby knuckleheads. On this episode, we are looking at the opening round of PWR, of course, and the GOTW featuring the defending champions. We are in agreement, someone from last year's winners, has a point to prove to their international coach. Then we make our hope skip and jump around the Premiership including the BIG result at The Rec for the visitors. We then run through our new (newish) segments including Try OTW, won't be a shock if you listen to the rest. Get something to drink and tune in with us fam!
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Transcript
00:00:00
jarrod_dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:05
jarrod_dyke
Let's go. We got loads to add into this whole thing. I'm wasting no time here. There we go. Make sure you find us on your favorite podcast app.
00:00:17
jarrod_dyke
Share, a download, rate, review. Be back, always welcome.
00:00:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I can't wait till, well, yeah, we're not going to playoffs. So now I can't wait till my rugby season's over just so I can have like a beer on our off nights while we do this. Cause I, I am.
00:00:32
jarrod_dyke
cook
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. These nights are, so again, we record this on a Tuesday. Um, Mike, my guys, because we're a men's club team on a university with really only one field.
00:00:45
jarrod_dyke
Cooked.
00:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah, it's,
00:00:47
jarrod_dyke
Can't confirm. Well, you have a second one, but you nobody's allowed to touch it unless you play field hockey.
00:00:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No, exactly. the The women's team got to play on it for preseason and they were like, OK, cool, I guess.
00:00:56
jarrod_dyke
No shit.
00:00:59
Grumpy Old Prop
um Anyway, ah so we have practice on Mondays from nine to eleven. So at this point, it's eight p.m. the next day and i got I'm running on like. It was also I had overnight last night, so I got to get up at like two in the morning to.
00:01:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Feed and soothe and whatnot. That was fun. So, yeah, I'm a little cooks.
00:01:15
jarrod_dyke
Upside, upside. I have a kid that eats and sleeps well for a little bit.
00:01:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So I will not be drinking all that to say I will not be drinking beer because yeah, give me a few weeks.
00:01:24
jarrod_dyke
Um, make sure you that you are buying our good friend, George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, busy boy out there, especially those either playing the two current competitions going.
00:01:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I am.
00:01:37
jarrod_dyke
Do we know if speaking of competitions are going do we know if they're gonna be doing the that automations game that they've done in non-world cup years I Hope so, I liked it It was fun.
00:01:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. I would hope so.
00:01:51
jarrod_dyke
I know it's similar to official six nations, but still it gives us something and it gives us it It's it's so many more players too that you can throw in there.
00:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:59
jarrod_dyke
So that's fun All right um
00:02:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:02:04
jarrod_dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. Uh, here in the U S we have a certain region that likes to get hammered by hurricanes. And so of course, naturally we're first off, I have, and I have people that are down there that are, um, uh, and once one's had to make a move for Milton to get out of the way of the current one Milton, but then there's the most recent one, um, Helena Helene, whatever the
00:02:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Me too. Oh.
00:02:33
jarrod_dyke
hell the damn name was, doesn't matter, destroyed the shit out of a lot of things.
00:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, it's coming. Oh, the new one.
00:02:38
jarrod_dyke
But yeah, well, bringing to the point, you know, climate change and greed and all that shit, and it's like, I think people need to understand, this used to be like a once a season hurricane type of thing.
00:02:50
Grumpy Old Prop
This used to be a once a decade hurricane.
00:02:53
jarrod_dyke
Right, and so even more so.
00:02:53
Grumpy Old Prop
They never used to be this strong. They also never used to form in the Gulf. They would come across the Atlantic.
00:02:59
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm.
00:03:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Here they're they keep forming in the Gulf, which is not... um Good.
00:03:04
jarrod_dyke
The norm.
00:03:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And we've like, Hey, you remember that Gulf when it was on fire for like days? We have fucked with that.
00:03:10
jarrod_dyke
That too.
00:03:11
Grumpy Old Prop
The water's so warm there. Um, yeah, this isn't good. Like we, we really do need to do something about it.
00:03:16
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:03:19
Grumpy Old Prop
and Unfortunately, we can't vote for it.
00:03:19
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:03:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yay.
00:03:22
jarrod_dyke
No, not yet. At least, um,
00:03:25
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but maybe that'll, I mean, maybe when, you know, this, if people get get like fucking sick of sick of it enough. But unfortunately in our culture today, for so many Americans, and it's like access to everything that's going on in the world is just one of the, it's like gore porn for them.
00:03:45
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, like, oh, look at, oh, look at that devastation in Florida. Like I'm glad that wasn't me, but it's like, um, you know, we don't get disaster movies anymore. We just get disaster reality. Like this shit used to be movies, like people trying to survive something like this.
00:03:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And now it's like, Oh, cool. We get to watch it in real life. This is fun. Not, Hey, we should, we should stop this.
00:04:03
jarrod_dyke
Nope.
00:04:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause we can.
00:04:06
jarrod_dyke
ah You should find a way to not make it happen. That'd be great.
00:04:09
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Hi.
00:04:10
jarrod_dyke
While it is. I know. I'm speaking of wild things over here apparently.
00:04:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:04:16
jarrod_dyke
but it's yeah like And it really comes down to like the greed and you know ah certain certain people portraying some scripture as man can do no wrong and can take whatever they want, which is unfortunately the fact.
00:04:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, right.
00:04:33
jarrod_dyke
it's I wish that was like the most bogus bullshit I'm pulling out my butt, but it's also true.
00:04:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, i you know, this is about no discrimination and I'm not discriminating against people who believe this.
00:04:47
Grumpy Old Prop
for their whatever their religious beliefs might be. I'm I'm saying this because it's fucking stupid. And just because it says in a book that the deity promised a dude that he would never destroy the earth again. That's a it's a book written by like goat herders.
00:05:09
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:05:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's got some good stories and I'm not knocking it. Cause it, you know, some of it actually has, you know, good advice when it's not being completely contradicted. Um, and used for nefarious reasons.
00:05:18
jarrod_dyke
yeah No shit, right?
00:05:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but it's like, that's, it's just, it's a book, you know, take it for what it is.
00:05:29
jarrod_dyke
It's a book written a long goddamn time ago with that.
00:05:31
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. Like, yeah.
00:05:36
jarrod_dyke
Science works, I promise.
00:05:37
Grumpy Old Prop
right And the guy who made that promise has kind of broken other promises but throughout the book too. So maybe you don't take him at his word either.
00:05:42
jarrod_dyke
did a lot of that yeah did a lot of that out there just just an idea just an idea anywho make sure that you grab our patreon um we uh like i did do the boom bust and i will do it again this week so that'll give everyone something some content to read And as soon as I have all the results, which might be in a moment, might be um tomorrow sometime. As soon as I have the results of PWR, I'm going to put that out there on the Patreon as well. So everyone can find that. There'll be a nice little docket um document out there with everyone scores, who they picked, so on and so forth. Don't worry, I have the master document so you can't fuck with it.
00:06:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no, I'm just making sure I gave you all the ones that I got. and I'm pretty sure I did.
00:06:28
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. um Anyway, speaking of PWR, let's talk game of the week. So fortune fortune favors us over here that have that do have TRN+. Also, I do like that TRN has been making one of the prime games free this year.
00:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:06:44
jarrod_dyke
So that's that's it that's a good move.
00:06:45
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's classy.
00:06:47
jarrod_dyke
That's a good move.
00:06:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's a good move.
00:06:47
jarrod_dyke
And I know, ah yeah, and you know that's probably the best solution right now without being able to guarantee that Fox won't do that again.
00:06:49
Grumpy Old Prop
bet Much better than the the Fox Sports Partnership of last year.
00:06:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:06:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:06:58
jarrod_dyke
So for now, you know, and I, yeah, I told all my players, I'm like, Hey, listen, this game's on all you need is an account. It's free. Go watch it. um And I know, I know at least a few of them do so.
00:07:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Good, I should remind my players of that, too. I I just found out this weekend and it was a little late, so.
00:07:13
jarrod_dyke
Yep. That's right. So as long as we're all there, we can all get there in the end, but. Those that are on TRM plus get a PWR game of the week. And this week, ours was a duty cluster, Harper and Lester.
00:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Boring, boring.
00:07:26
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Who knew?
00:07:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Where's the defense?
00:07:29
jarrod_dyke
Oh man.
00:07:30
Grumpy Old Prop
No, this was this was like just good old fashioned fun. I mean, well there's one of the scores that surprises me more than the other in the in the final.
00:07:42
jarrod_dyke
The 29.
00:07:44
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the 29.
00:07:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:07:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they they made it a game for a while too.
00:07:48
jarrod_dyke
They did. They did. I think, I think that speak and there's, there's still players missing for both, but, um, I think there's still, and there's definitely still players missing for Lester. So it speaks well of where they could be this season.
00:08:00
jarrod_dyke
They won't live at even towards the end of last season.
00:08:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mmhmm.
00:08:03
jarrod_dyke
They were, they were not an easy play by any means whatsoever. And this year they're gonna, they're obviously, you know, putting their hand up and saying, no, you will not just shove us aside.
00:08:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:08:13
jarrod_dyke
You're, you will have to play us hard.
00:08:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mmhmm.
00:08:14
jarrod_dyke
So deal with it. So I'm i'm um happy despite the fact that there it's quite a lopsided score line, but it doesn't describe it doesn't tell the whole tale.
00:08:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:08:25
jarrod_dyke
i can I can tell you how much right now you and I were both watching it and like, ooh, this is interesting.
00:08:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I think it was one of those that it um they kind of pulled away. Second half, it became unwieldy, like probably about a half what, starting about a half hour in.
00:08:38
jarrod_dyke
Yes, I did.
00:08:41
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:08:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um If I'm not mistaken, oh, well, they did score right after half, but.
00:08:49
Grumpy Old Prop
That was kind of it. No, it was right at half when when
00:08:51
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:08:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, right before and then after it looks like these, uh, Gloucester scored three in the row from the 34th minute through to the, Oh no, all the way through to halftime. It was 40 plus plus two.
00:09:06
jarrod_dyke
Yes.
00:09:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, it was that little bit that, uh, kind of put the game away, but still 30 minutes. And it was like real good. And then, but it also took some fucking amazing tries.
00:09:18
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't like it was, they were just rolling through them.
00:09:22
jarrod_dyke
Emma Singh. Think she wants to she want an England contract?
00:09:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that thought crossed my mind right about the time she was grabbing the ball and running between the two Lester players who somehow didn't go for it quickly enough.
00:09:35
jarrod_dyke
ah Yeah.
00:09:39
jarrod_dyke
yeah they Yeah, they got caught in the yours, mine, yours, mine, and Emma said, no, mine, no, no, no, mine, mine, don't worry.
00:09:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. like but my I got it. Ladies, ladies, just chill.
00:09:45
jarrod_dyke
Just gonna take this.
00:09:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I got this.
00:09:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't you guys worry about it. I'll I'm on top of it.
00:09:52
jarrod_dyke
I will take care of this and just put, I'm gonna put it right over here underneath this, these posts.
00:09:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:09:57
jarrod_dyke
Okay.
00:09:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it looks happy there, I think.
00:10:02
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Fucking hell. She was, she was amazing.
00:10:05
jarrod_dyke
I, I, you can't say, you can't say enough about her and, and and Charlie wouldn't have made it made a midlife hard on, on the other team as well. And that's Jesus. That's terrifying. Cause they aren't there.
00:10:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, she really was.
00:10:16
jarrod_dyke
They have like, they have like nobody right now and.
00:10:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:19
jarrod_dyke
If she's just another weapon to add to their arsenal, it's fucking terrifying. Like, you know, there's no herd.
00:10:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:10:25
jarrod_dyke
There's no Mo. There's no George. There's yeah. Yeah. That's not fair. That's not nice.
00:10:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:10:33
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. That's not nice at all. Anywho, but I, yeah. And then ah we.
00:10:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And it really was that Lester didn't have like, ultimately, and that's that kind of was kind of the difference is Gloucester Harbor, he had ah um more ammunition in the end.
00:10:42
jarrod_dyke
They did.
00:10:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester kind of ran out somewhat early, but at the same time, still, they they've got it now. They just have to build it a little bit. This is this. Yeah, this would have been ugly.
00:10:56
Grumpy Old Prop
What, two years ago, probably a little bit last year, Gloucester were good.
00:11:00
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, definitely last year.
00:11:03
jarrod_dyke
I think we do need to give special mention mention to Zainab Eliba, the loose head for Lester, first woman to score while wearing her heat job, which is awesome.
00:11:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:11:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that was that was pretty cool.
00:11:18
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, so good on her. Really awesome. So progress in many ways shape and shapes and forms. So go go go on Lester.
00:11:24
Grumpy Old Prop
It it takes a prop.
00:11:25
jarrod_dyke
Well done. Takes a prop to do the job, man.
00:11:30
jarrod_dyke
Especially with balls eating.
00:11:32
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:11:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And scoring tries.
00:11:36
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. ah From from afo but a We have a friend that's very good at that.
00:11:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, hey,
00:11:48
jarrod_dyke
Scores like scores from ah half a meter at a time.
00:11:51
Grumpy Old Prop
i I don't know who you're talking about.
00:11:55
jarrod_dyke
You absolutely know what that is.
00:11:56
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Mr. Ewers. Yeah.
00:12:00
jarrod_dyke
No, no, ah you and I have a friend that does that.
00:12:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:12:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, we do.
00:12:06
jarrod_dyke
He does a certain dance and his name is Bill.
00:12:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he's fun when he scores and ah you know I still remember it for the longest time.
00:12:14
jarrod_dyke
Yup.
00:12:16
Grumpy Old Prop
He'd never scored one, though.
00:12:17
jarrod_dyke
Right, and then he scored like five in a row.
00:12:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:21
jarrod_dyke
Wild stuff. Anyway, ah let's jump over to Friday night in the prem. Northampton and Quinn's. um
00:12:31
jarrod_dyke
You know, I'm, I'm sensing there's a problem when the twins have to play Jared Evans at 10.
00:12:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, I guess they really don't have anybody else.
00:12:44
jarrod_dyke
No, i they better not. I mean, no, I know it was like, they could slot Nick David back there if they wanted to.
00:12:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they can they because they they have no one else other than Marcus at 15. So he's got to go there. I don't know that they have anybody else who could possibly run that.
00:12:59
jarrod_dyke
And then he hasn't,
00:12:59
Grumpy Old Prop
They could.
00:13:00
jarrod_dyke
He hasn't played it for a long time, but still, I think he, I think, ah I think a week of training up, he'd, he'd be fine, honestly.
00:13:02
Grumpy Old Prop
No, back in his Worcester days, he did.
00:13:08
jarrod_dyke
And that might be the better move. And I wouldn't be shocked if that's what they did this week.
00:13:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I would do that. That's a good call. I'd forgotten about that. That was so long ago.
00:13:16
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, it's been a minute, but yeah.
00:13:17
Grumpy Old Prop
That was back in the TRM days.
00:13:20
jarrod_dyke
Right. Right. Uh, but. i You gotta give credit to Northampton. They could've easily just said, ah, fuck, this game's on fire, and let you know just laid it down, and they did not, and they ah knew better.
00:13:34
Grumpy Old Prop
No, they didn't. They, they, they punched back and that's,
00:13:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Good, you know, they they haven't shown. An edge to them, really, they've shown, I mean, they've theyve what they.
00:13:49
jarrod_dyke
Northampton did, yes.
00:13:49
Grumpy Old Prop
They lost a bath, right week one. No, yeah, they lost a bath. They got kind of. Yeah, they got kind of thumpered and then the they they beat Exeter, but it should have been.
00:14:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Better.
00:14:02
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Agreed.
00:14:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um As we'll get into a little bit later in this episode.
00:14:03
jarrod_dyke
I think most people would agree with that.
00:14:07
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:14:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, like letting Harlequins get get a good lead on them and then fighting back, that's that's something that they hadn't shown yet this year.
00:14:17
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:14:18
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, oh, look who's awake. And that's kind of scary.
00:14:20
jarrod_dyke
Look who woke up. Yeah. penalty. Try to Nick David, uh, and then, uh, then then the Graham try just kind of let things off slate scored.
00:14:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:30
jarrod_dyke
And then that was kind of the end. And I know.
00:14:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:14:32
jarrod_dyke
I know Porter make it made it kind of surprise squeaky bum time, but really it was no.
00:14:36
Grumpy Old Prop
right it wasn't really i mean it was but it it was one of those like because because it's harlequin it could happen but let me it's still a fucking like better chance of getting hit by lighting i would take them over a lot of midfields
00:14:50
jarrod_dyke
Something like that. So yeah, and we you and I were talking about it the other day, like, you know, there's, There's issues in the midfield, although Anyanwu and Joseph isn't a terrible pairing by any means whatsoever.
00:15:02
jarrod_dyke
That's that's a good.
00:15:06
jarrod_dyke
Keniam is just a guy right now.
00:15:08
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:15:09
jarrod_dyke
He he had potential, but he's he's just a guy right now.
00:15:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:12
jarrod_dyke
The locks aren't anything special though. If they were able to, I might put Launchbury and Lamb in there over the other two, honestly.
00:15:19
jarrod_dyke
Maybe not the beast, but definitely your herbs. like
00:15:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, yes, Lambs, I don't know why is is he is he hurt?
00:15:25
jarrod_dyke
You know, I think you put I thought he played this game or at least he was in the lineup Swore
00:15:31
Grumpy Old Prop
I just I just had I don't even I don't think I recognize that he'd come into the game.
00:15:37
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, well Okay.
00:15:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he was, okay. Yeah, he came on for Levis.
00:15:39
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, he came in 55. Yeah, gee I mean we we know James Chisholm is famous for his his three cheeks, but like
00:15:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:15:47
jarrod_dyke
At the same time, they're always going to be better off when James Chisholm's not the backup back row, if they can help it.
00:15:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:56
jarrod_dyke
Like, yeah.
00:15:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:59
jarrod_dyke
And against a team that recently, that just won the title, like this is not going to be a cakewalk.
00:16:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like again, and it's gonna come up again later. like just the where Harlequins are injury wise. I mean, like you said, if CCS is your your six and Dom brands the eight, just that alone.
00:16:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um Very different story.
00:16:18
jarrod_dyke
Makes a You said some okay games and he said some suspect games.
00:16:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And if Merle is available, so you're not starting Oscar fucking beard at 11. You kidding me? Like, that's the other problem is the Nick David's actually pretty good in space. Obviously, Marcus is too.
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
But
00:16:34
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, Oscar Bearden is like to me, though, the worst of these backs. And you put him at one of the key attacking positions. You know, I. Like, look at the cross, the cross from him.
00:16:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but I think his best games have been at center and even them haven't been like, whoo.
00:16:52
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:16:55
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just been like, OK, hey, nice, nicely done.
00:16:55
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:16:58
Grumpy Old Prop
As opposed to where the fuck were you like he kind of was this game.
00:17:01
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, definitely. definite definitely
00:17:05
Grumpy Old Prop
So like, yeah, if if that if they just have Marley or Don Brandt in this game, very different story.
00:17:10
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:17:12
Grumpy Old Prop
But it is what it is. And honestly, good on the same things played well, like I said, shown some um showing some class that that back row is kind of scary to me.
00:17:23
jarrod_dyke
Well, the fact that truck's not even involved in this whole thing.
00:17:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And. Right.
00:17:26
jarrod_dyke
And we're still looking at a really good back row is like, and the, uh, the pollock kid looks like he's going to be a stud.
00:17:26
Grumpy Old Prop
That too.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's not fair.
00:17:33
jarrod_dyke
He really does. And they've been, they've been touting him for a wee bit and ah he looked, he looks the part thus far.
00:17:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I mean, it's fair. Yeah.
00:17:40
jarrod_dyke
I know he's got a lot more to prove, but thus far I test passed. So we'll see. Anywho, the other game Friday night up to the AJ Bell.
00:17:54
jarrod_dyke
I, I think there's, despite the fact that those, you know, maybe it wasn't the prettiest game in the world, but it was a good game nonetheless. 3127 solid scores from both teams.
00:18:05
jarrod_dyke
Um, I think it's good for both teams, honestly, to see, see this Gloucester still showing they can play even in in a really tough place to go. Or don't tell me that AJ Bell, it's not tough to go on a Friday night.
00:18:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm No Yeah, you go if you told Gloucester again, what's one of those things if you told Gloucester before the season, you know if you kind of went down there Their record there, you know, they're there
00:18:18
jarrod_dyke
Nobody wants to go there on a Friday night.
00:18:29
jarrod_dyke
but list.
00:18:32
Grumpy Old Prop
their schedule so far, their season so far, and you got to this game and you said, you know what, you're gonna get two points away to sale. I think they'd be like, yeah, fuck yeah, okay, I'm good, I'll take it.
00:18:43
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, it could be worse. It seems to come away with a lot less.
00:18:47
Grumpy Old Prop
A lot less, you know, some teams went away with zero this weekend. um So they're they're doing what they need to do to be in the position they need to be in, and sale, I'm still not terribly impressed, it's one of those like,
00:19:03
Grumpy Old Prop
You should have walked away with this one. And, you know, you they, they, they obviously got a good lead in. Um, Gloucester scored, you know, they, yeah they scored their last try to make it like late. Same thing as the, as the Quince, late squeaky bomb time.
00:19:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, late squeaky bomb time, but not quite.
00:19:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Not quite. Um, still the fact that you let them, I mean, this team. I don't know if you're going to really rest on your, on your defense. You got to make sure that Gloucester don't score that, you know, they don't score twice late. You, you know, it's a point you used to be a point of pride. You know, when I was growing up, sale sharks made it a point of pride not to give up 27 points at home.
00:19:45
jarrod_dyke
Alexander's to me at a point of ride, not to give up 27 points at home.
00:19:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. So I'm very, he's confusing me. I gotta say.
00:19:52
jarrod_dyke
I, yeah, I don't know. um
00:19:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought he would, I thought he would be bad. I thought he would have this team better than this. And look, you know, it's, you scored 31 points in a win and that's like 31 points for sales sales actually pretty good. I'll give him that.
00:20:05
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, with with Bobby dupes and Sam Betlow in the lineup, Bobby dupes at 10 and Betlow at 12.
00:20:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:20:12
Grumpy Old Prop
and Somehow it was good enough. So good on you.
00:20:15
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:20:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um Gus Ward's try was actually kind of cool. Fuck.
00:20:22
jarrod_dyke
Words that really rarely ever escape.
00:20:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:20:25
jarrod_dyke
um
00:20:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:28
jarrod_dyke
I think there's a couple of players that we haven't talked about enough and I did actually give one of them a shot of them later on. Williams and and Llewellyn especially, I think are are have been exceptional.
00:20:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:20:40
jarrod_dyke
We talked about Barton already have who's also been pretty good.
00:20:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:20:43
jarrod_dyke
um but max alone, like a center, but making life hard for teams on the wing.
00:20:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yes.
00:20:50
jarrod_dyke
So I give him credit. Um, that's yeah.
00:20:51
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like an anti-beard. He doesn't matter where you put him, he's just gonna make plays.
00:20:56
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. So he's, he's looking like he's going to be hard to remove from that, that Gloucester lineup. And there's going to be some, some bodies coming back soon too. So it's going to be interesting to see what decisions are made by skips here.
00:21:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:21:08
jarrod_dyke
I'm very interested to see what's going on with that.
00:21:12
jarrod_dyke
um Saturday. Down to the wreck. The big one for these boys. Wow. I color me impressed by the bears.
00:21:29
jarrod_dyke
Really? Like going out there going to go into the wreck.
00:21:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:21:33
jarrod_dyke
You grab a bonus point and you deny them a losing bonus point on top of that like Yeah, I wouldn't I did not have that on my bingo board.
00:21:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yep.
00:21:42
jarrod_dyke
Nope. not not Not a chance.
00:21:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:21:45
jarrod_dyke
Not a
00:21:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, same the same thing as you talk about with Gloucester, if you gave Bristol this season, even this, the what they lost to Gloucester at home.
00:21:56
Grumpy Old Prop
But. There were punching a well above their weight, as they did here. um
00:22:04
Grumpy Old Prop
it's And it's amazing um to actually, you know, it's cool to see Santiago Grandona in the prem. um Where's he been the last like, why? I mean, that's cool that they they finally signed him to, you know, into the prem.
00:22:12
jarrod_dyke
He was hurt last year. We know that. We know that.
00:22:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Wait, where was he last year?
00:22:18
jarrod_dyke
He was, he was with Bristol. He was hurt the previous years. He spent wasting away on the books of Exeter.
00:22:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, oh, so some of those salary cap things.
00:22:29
jarrod_dyke
Must be over fucking Dave, yours.
00:22:30
Grumpy Old Prop
like they They couldn't find a place for him on the field. I see i see how it goes. because You need to see more day viewers than that. What we just saw against Beth.
00:22:39
jarrod_dyke
My fat ass. ah Oh, yeah, bloody hell. and And he was very good for the Pumas as well during the rugby championship. So, yeah.
00:22:56
Grumpy Old Prop
That's scary. if If Bristol got another... and it Well, no there's no, it doesn't seem like there's an if about it. Bristol have yet another weapon in their... um and Right.
00:23:03
jarrod_dyke
Well, and they have his they have his kid brother too.
00:23:08
jarrod_dyke
Silly.
00:23:08
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean and they still Then they still have Mata to come like when he gets healthy.
00:23:12
jarrod_dyke
Yes, they do.
00:23:14
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:23:14
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:23:16
Grumpy Old Prop
this is Now it's time to start like considering if if Bristol are making a run for it.
00:23:25
jarrod_dyke
I'd like to think so. I mean, the way they play, they're they're gonna, they're gonna make it fun, number one. I'd say the one thing that's gonna hold them back is they need McGinty healthy the whole time.
00:23:43
Grumpy Old Prop
True, although I still think they might be able to do it with Williams, but he's not healthy so
00:23:44
jarrod_dyke
ah I think that's where the wheels come off. No, yeah, now that that that's also now a double problem. I don't love Williams is 10. So what I've seen of him do there.
00:23:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No, not I mean, I don't love him, but he can he can like he can do the job of distribution. And when you've got.
00:24:00
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, they're gonna have to make some games ugly if he's playing 10. That's all I know.
00:24:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Likely, but as long as he's he's dealing a little bit, there's they just have playmakers in so many spots.
00:24:11
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:24:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:24:12
jarrod_dyke
Bet. Johnson, Ben Renzberg. You must have heard me talking last week because I did not.
00:24:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:24:15
jarrod_dyke
I was not terribly impressed with him. um On the other side.
00:24:23
jarrod_dyke
Introducing Sam Harris.
00:24:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm hi Sam Yeah, a little bit Yeah
00:24:26
jarrod_dyke
Hell of an introduction, kid. I think I think you're going to be around for a while. You keep doing crap like that.
00:24:34
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. pretty I was like, well, number one, it was terrible. I was like, this is right down this kid's gullet. All he's got to do is turn and run. And he found a hole and like they were talking about it on the broadcast.
00:24:45
jarrod_dyke
like Nobody could play him. All the Bristol players were offsides. Like, yeah, like yeah I can't touch them.
00:24:51
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:24:51
jarrod_dyke
And upside of that law being and the being reinforced now and no longer having that loophole.
00:24:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And put it this way. we you If you've listened to us before, you know that um we have a healthy respect for ah Tom to Glanville as a as a runner.
00:25:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And when I was watching this, I had it on the small screen. First off, um I was relegated to that because my my wife dictated so.
00:25:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um And yeah.
00:25:23
jarrod_dyke
That happens.
00:25:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And I had the volume down a little bit too, because I don't really need to listen to the comms. I thought it was De Glanville running that kickback. chris for us First off, the hair is is excellent too. um Love the lettuce flowing in the and the breeze as you're cutting back and forth to the defense.
00:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And then I was like, oh shit, no, that's the newbie newbie.
00:25:42
jarrod_dyke
Mr. Pup, that's the better.
00:25:43
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the puppy. Yeah. All right. That's cool. That's even better. Although I was not happy because one of the reasons that I wanted it to be Tom De Glanville was because I started him this week. So.
00:25:52
jarrod_dyke
Same.
00:25:52
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:25:53
jarrod_dyke
Same. It's like, well, silver lining, it was pretty awesome.
00:25:57
Grumpy Old Prop
there's There's a little bit of personal, you know, want, yeah, yeah.
00:26:02
jarrod_dyke
Silver lining, it was, it was pretty awesome.
00:26:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, I got to see a really cool play. I just, I don't get any points for it, motherfucker. Cause it's also, he's wearing 15.
00:26:09
jarrod_dyke
Lame.
00:26:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, I just, for some reason I knew Dick Glenville was starting, but I just forgot that he was at 14.
00:26:15
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. um
00:26:20
jarrod_dyke
I'm um concerned that nobody from Bath really showed up for this match. Bar like two guys.
00:26:30
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm concerned with the decision to go for a six, two split.
00:26:33
jarrod_dyke
I'm always concerned with that. I fucking hate that Saracens have been doing it lately.
00:26:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:37
jarrod_dyke
um
00:26:40
Grumpy Old Prop
But this against Bristol, like, you know, that like, again, do some, did I don't know how much scouting is actually done in this league. Um.
00:26:50
jarrod_dyke
Sometimes you wonder.
00:26:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Because like, what are you thinking? They're gonna want to run on you. And I don't think and think in any way, Bath really like physically kind wasn't wasn't like, you know, when you want to like, when you go to a team like sale, and you're like, you know, we got to we got to beef up a little bit, because they're packed, we know they're gonna mall, we know what they're gonna like, be extremely me physical, like, you would think that
00:27:14
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:27:17
Grumpy Old Prop
If you're going to go six to his bath, you want to create that kind of situation. But instead, you've got like.
00:27:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, look, Hill, Reed and Pepper can all hit hard, but that's different from being like the mauling, brutish, physical, you know, they're better runners.
00:27:29
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm.
00:27:34
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like you're you're kind of trying to have it both ways. You want to be a running team, but you also want to be a six to you want to be a forward based team. And they didn't do that very well.
00:27:44
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:27:46
jarrod_dyke
and lot And you know, last week they got bit, but like you really can't say.
00:27:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:27:51
jarrod_dyke
That that was what bit like, you can't say that not having enough forward was a bit of actually, I'm pretty sure it was not having enough back to a little bit them.
00:27:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:27:58
jarrod_dyke
because they had, what, two backs, three backs drop almost immediately.
00:28:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. Well.
00:28:03
jarrod_dyke
Neither of them was Spencer.
00:28:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm sorry.
00:28:06
jarrod_dyke
not And neither one of them was Spencer, so having a backup nine didn't really do them that much good.
00:28:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:28:13
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's again, McConaughey and Harris both, you know, well, the kind of, he came off at 70 minutes, but either way, he's coming off at 70 minutes for Louis Schruder. You're taking off like, and you know, red path is a good player.
00:28:26
Grumpy Old Prop
So I kind of get that switch, but it's still, it's your fullback. I'm guessing that was injury. I i don't remember at this point, but yep.
00:28:33
jarrod_dyke
I think they, I think they, I think they wanted to protect Harris and just like keep them feeling good.
00:28:37
Grumpy Old Prop
and Okay. But it's, then it's, then have a third sub that's a back.
00:28:42
jarrod_dyke
Uh-huh. Yep. Not arguing.
00:28:46
jarrod_dyke
Not arguing.
00:28:46
Grumpy Old Prop
like Did you know did cozia dude, you know, did he swore did he swore a try?
00:28:53
jarrod_dyke
No, Maloney did.
00:28:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay But it's like yeah I think it was last week he scored one but either way like I don't know. Do you really need him?
00:29:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Maloney for Quinn Roo Like right Maloney makes sense on the bench.
00:29:04
jarrod_dyke
I think you don't need both him and under Hill and Maloney on the bench.
00:29:10
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm good with that. Underhill makes sense. Well, I as nuts as this talented back row is. Yeah, Underhill makes sense on the bench and coming in for Guy Pepper. And then it's like, Reed and Hill can him last the game if you're gonna take Pepper out.
00:29:25
Grumpy Old Prop
So you're good. You've got guys who can run all to 80.
00:29:28
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm.
00:29:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Have ah have a bat another back sub because they really needed it.
00:29:34
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, that's but unfortunately, that's Van Grond's ML these days is going for that 6.2 split when it's not always necessary.
00:29:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No.
00:29:45
jarrod_dyke
Anyway, let's go up to Kingston real quick. We don't need to spend a ton of time up here.
00:29:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Did you learn anything from this match?
00:29:52
jarrod_dyke
No, I learned that Newcastle continuously find ways to shoot themselves in the foot. And that's, yeah, Lester or have good players and they did what good players do.
00:30:05
jarrod_dyke
Ollie Justin was actually very good in this match.
00:30:07
jarrod_dyke
Um, good to see him back. Uh, really. And, uh, I'm, I'm still a big fan of Illiana. So, you know, love seeing when he gets out there. So, but really how much honestly, it gives, I will say that they did.
00:30:07
Grumpy Old Prop
who Yeah.
00:30:17
Grumpy Old Prop
He played well, had himself a try.
00:30:28
jarrod_dyke
Lester did some smart things by getting Joe Woodward in there, who's, you know, this was his debut, he's getting some time.
00:30:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:30:36
jarrod_dyke
I don't know how the juice on hold just saying guys, but he's very old. So got him some some minutes, wand, same thing.
00:30:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm. Yep.
00:30:47
jarrod_dyke
You know, so I will say, I really tear my hair out when I see we, you know, Newcastle or crap, like the we truly know it.
00:30:58
jarrod_dyke
Just as 23. So we truly know that Newcastle is crap, and they'll bite something that sends them the binge juice one day, not won't be ah won't be a first.
00:31:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Maybe I don't know. I think like I said, there's I still think they're going to beat the shit out of themselves. Like I still think Sammy Arnold is going to be like dog meat by um December.
00:31:21
jarrod_dyke
He might be. Yeah, they better trade him out when they get to those challenge cup matches, honestly.
00:31:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And Gordon's. Right. And Gordon's looked good, but I know.
00:31:30
jarrod_dyke
He's got no help.
00:31:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think he got way overmatched this game. He was like all alone.
00:31:34
jarrod_dyke
Well, that back row was not fun to go against, so.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:40
jarrod_dyke
No, that's not when I would sign up for.
00:31:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And when he also, you all you have is Vanderbilt and who he did something stupid and I can't remember what it was, but he said something completely stupid.
00:31:46
jarrod_dyke
Check.
00:31:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then Callum chick who I don't, I don't get it.
00:31:55
jarrod_dyke
He's a Newcastle boy, that's all I keep saying and I don't know if that's enough to keep him in the lineup Yeah,
00:31:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't, don't get it.
00:32:03
Grumpy Old Prop
and It's like, if he's a new castle type player, you guys need to aspire to better players. Let's put it that way. Or being, being better at rugby.
00:32:10
jarrod_dyke
yeah I think you I think you need to find if you need to find a space for him in the lineup I think he needs to go to sex I Think or lock or lock but you know sex is acceptable for me.
00:32:23
jarrod_dyke
I And then you need to find yourself a proper number eight because I don't think he's it.
00:32:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho, I think there was another match.
00:32:31
jarrod_dyke
There was one and it was on Sunday and um, my kid was looking at me wondering what the fuck I was doing half the match because a lot of it involved getting up and down and pumping my fists.
00:32:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:32:45
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Yeah, I think we were were texting before the match because it was like. I mean, this is all this was. Exeter versus Exeter, I'm not sorry, Saracens versus Saracens, really, if if Saracens like were in their own head. And playing it tight. um They could have lost this match. And if they decide, you know, what we're going to throw it around, we're going to have a little fun. Once again, Exeter cannot match that they just can't.
00:33:16
Grumpy Old Prop
And we saw pretty early that though, Saris were going to go for it. They were going to, they were going to play it, you know, with width and and really attack this team. And at that point I was like, okay, cool. We can enjoy today.
00:33:27
Grumpy Old Prop
We can enjoy today's game.
00:33:28
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:33:29
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Well, there was really for me a rewind to Saracen's team of like legend where they, yes, they kicked the leather off the ball sometimes, but what they did was they fought for the little scraps.
00:33:29
Grumpy Old Prop
This is this going to be a fun one.
00:33:45
jarrod_dyke
And when they won those little scraps, they did some magical shit with the ball. And that is what made Saracen very, very good, you know, four or five years ago.
00:33:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:54
jarrod_dyke
And that's what made people fucking hate Saracen's because
00:33:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:33:58
jarrod_dyke
They, you know, they made life hard on you, obviously, defense, forget it, like Jesus Christ defense is defenses back. um but really, you know, yes, they spun the ball around and they played it with it, but also when they won the one, they won the scraps.
00:34:11
jarrod_dyke
They did the same thing. They, they knew the advantages to take. They knew either. All right. Kicking behind and make these guys work hard or the spaces wide. Just shoot that ball wide and let's go.
00:34:22
jarrod_dyke
And they, they, they read it so well for the majority of this game and just made life really hard on exit or bar the fricking, you know, the two moments that got them the two tries from Hodge.
00:34:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:33
jarrod_dyke
Like I, don't know ah how good I would feel if I was an Exeter fan. And I mean that as the most sincere way without any malice or hate.
00:34:44
jarrod_dyke
Yes, I fucking hate this team for a lot of reasons. But looking at that objectively, I don't know how good I would feel after this match if I was an Exeter fan.
00:34:52
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, well, yeah, they can't even be proper villains at this point.
00:34:57
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:34:58
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:35:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, look, when, so here's, here's my question off of this is, is Baxter, is Baxter cooked?
00:35:12
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:35:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And the reason that I asked that, and and and by by that, I mean, is, is he may be on the hot seat and maybe it's not,
00:35:20
jarrod_dyke
No, because Tony Rowe loves him, but he should be.
00:35:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not saying now, I'm not saying right now, it's more like, is he on watch? Like is there, if there are a chance where if if this doesn't get better by the end of the season, his ass is out.
00:35:29
jarrod_dyke
Maybe that's the way to go with it.
00:35:33
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not gonna be a mid-season, he's not gonna get fired mid-season.
00:35:34
jarrod_dyke
No.
00:35:35
Grumpy Old Prop
They would never do that. Or would, I mean, at the very least, maybe the the decision is made not to renew his contract whenever that that may be.
00:35:42
jarrod_dyke
Whenever that comes up, yep.
00:35:42
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like you're playing out the string kid, or old man. um Because, and the reason I say that is, usually coaches like him, with his kind of record. And you see it in the NFL a lot.
00:35:52
jarrod_dyke
Mmhmm.
00:35:54
Grumpy Old Prop
It's much more obvious in the NFL. um They have a lot of juice with like the comms guys, because you know, and they they see you see them all the time. They've they've been there for you know, how long has Baxter been there like
00:36:06
jarrod_dyke
Way too long.
00:36:08
Grumpy Old Prop
way too long. So, you know, Austin Healy knows him. They're not like, I would assume they're on good terms, especially because Healy's usually like praising him and and kind of given his perspective on things.
00:36:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And in this game, Healy was like, well, wait, they were looking at the breakdown and they're like, okay, so they've, you know, they've made something like, I don't remember what it was. It was like 50 carries for 70 meters or something like that from the, the Exeter pack.
00:36:40
Grumpy Old Prop
It was something like stupid like that.
00:36:42
jarrod_dyke
Silly.
00:36:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not, ah I really don't think I'm exaggerating by much. But I might be who knows.
00:36:46
jarrod_dyke
Nope. I'll do you either.
00:36:48
Grumpy Old Prop
But the point being, I think because I think it was like less than it was certainly like it was a yard and a meter and a half a carry or something like that. And he's like, well, maybe it's just that they're really burning through their forwards. They're just making them run at brick walls.
00:36:59
Grumpy Old Prop
They're not really using them in space or, or attacking with any sort of width that I'm like, I'm this whole time I'm listening. I'm like, like, dude, either it took you like 10 years to notice or yeah, like the guy who
00:37:05
jarrod_dyke
You saying the quiet part out loud big guy.
00:37:15
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, maybe you had, had tried to help make it into a genius. You're kind of, that's the like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not with that anymore. Um, yeah.
00:37:22
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, expiration date is hit.
00:37:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause when even Austin Healy's saying like this guy, this, this game plan sucks. Like that's, that's a red flag.
00:37:31
jarrod_dyke
Should be a red flag.
00:37:33
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm just saying that flag is up for me.
00:37:36
jarrod_dyke
ah Baxter's been with the club since 2009.
00:37:36
Grumpy Old Prop
and I don't make sure to see where it goes. Fuck.
00:37:40
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. I think this was his first coaching job.
00:37:47
jarrod_dyke
So, and they've, they've come up through.
00:37:51
jarrod_dyke
the championship, and so on and so forth. And I have a point to make about Baxter, but I'll make it later.
00:37:57
jarrod_dyke
um
00:37:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well, you know spoiler alert
00:38:01
jarrod_dyke
yeah But to your point about the forwards, like, I don't know if I'd put any of these forwards in space, bar, capstick, or fissile.
00:38:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, even roots fucking blows.
00:38:12
jarrod_dyke
Roots is a moron. What the fuck he's doing in the England team, I have no idea.
00:38:14
Grumpy Old Prop
He's so he's he's not good. great And chunza. I remember when there was potential. I remember when it was like, wow, this guy could be say what like,
00:38:24
jarrod_dyke
I'm used to get the fuck away from there.
00:38:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like in a Zeke way is he could be, he could have, I mean, maybe not that like he's huge. Um, maybe even a Theo though, you could, ah you could, he could have been like one of those, you could play a lock, you could play loose, you could just be damaging all around the field.
00:38:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's kind of like turned into an Ethan roots or a vermule. He's turned into just a, uh, like a railroad spike, like what?
00:38:49
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. When they said, uh, we, we, they need for me a little, like, that's not really the answer.
00:38:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it's really not.
00:38:53
jarrod_dyke
They need guys really isn't, I think.
00:38:58
Grumpy Old Prop
You see, that's the kind of thing that that's like, that's, um that's Rob Baxter talking through the comms, when they say shit like that, that you know, is just like, what the fuck?
00:39:04
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:39:08
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not comms saying that that's, that's, you know, in a pre pregame, like interview, whatever, he's like, Yeah, you know, we really, we really do this for a meal or something like that.
00:39:13
jarrod_dyke
Hmm.
00:39:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, don't say it. But you know, that didn't come from me. But You know, that's ah that, you know, can use that as a point, but it's like, no, you don't, you need, do you need to coach your team better?
00:39:25
jarrod_dyke
No. Uh-huh.
00:39:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause they don't, they can't play in space.
00:39:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:39:30
Grumpy Old Prop
They couldn't, how many times did Fayo Oboso touch you touch the ball?
00:39:33
jarrod_dyke
Well, here's the thing. um Did Saracens expose their only their only possible game plan right now, which is lead on Feiwoboso and hope for the best.
00:39:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh-huh.
00:39:45
jarrod_dyke
Because if we just answered, all right, make someone else beat us, you know Hodge could, and he did twice, but that's all he did.
00:39:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he did twice. Right.
00:39:53
jarrod_dyke
He did twice and that was the that was it. nobody else could Nobody else on this team can create shit. And I'm sorry, Slade ain't gonna be the answer either.
00:40:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. No, he's not.
00:40:03
jarrod_dyke
So what do we do? What do we like what is gonna be your answer, guys? like I think there's a huge deficiency in the team overall.
00:40:14
jarrod_dyke
And again, I want to get into it a little bit later, but like to say that at the very least, I think is probably being honest.
00:40:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And it stopped.
00:40:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because as we said earlier, it's not it's not the players because they've got players who can play. I think Will Hayden would could be a hell of a 10.
00:40:33
jarrod_dyke
Feel bad for him.
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
if if he was in a good situation, if they were in a had a real like attacking structure and plan, other than, okay, we're gonna run two forward crashes, and then if that doesn't get us on the front foot quickly, then we're gonna just boot the ball away.
00:40:34
jarrod_dyke
He got lost.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
We're gonna do a nice, slow box kick.
00:40:50
jarrod_dyke
yeah Yeah, here's the thing Yeah, like you don't even want to do anything at that ruck cuz you're just like whatever like Monder doesn't have anything Karen's doesn't have anything None of these guys have anything
00:40:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Everybody knows that now, so they're not even gonna, you're just gonna give them the ball back? Oh, hell yeah, all right, we can play this game.
00:41:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um
00:41:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Because, you know, and that it's when they force it wide, when they try to just throw shit at the wall, that's when you get the turnover. Everybody knows like it's it's too.
00:41:13
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:41:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It's too with way too one dimensional, not even two, let alone three.
00:41:17
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm. Good. Yeah, it's probably nice, honestly.
00:41:25
jarrod_dyke
All right. Power rankings, 10 Newcastle.
00:41:25
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:41:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Newcastle.
00:41:32
jarrod_dyke
out Nine Exeter.
00:41:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Exeter.
00:41:35
jarrod_dyke
I think it's I think it's all I think it's really obvious at this point until they pull their collective heads out of their collective asses.
00:41:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:41:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:42
jarrod_dyke
Um, we had Gloucester eight last week. Did they move up?
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
They did move up.
00:41:46
jarrod_dyke
Okay. So Lester's down to seven or Lester down to eight or somebody else down there.
00:41:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester is not moved, um so I guess so sale and gloss are flip flopped.
00:41:53
jarrod_dyke
Okay.
00:41:57
jarrod_dyke
Oh, interesting.
00:41:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, this is because it was sale at home. should It should have been a ah bigger blowout. Gloucester are showing some fight. They're scared. They're they're like and not the best or the worst team, but they might be the most dangerous.
00:42:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like six kind of in the middle, because you never know. like You flip a coin, you don't know what you're getting. It could be and you know kind of an easier win, but it could be a, oh, fuck.
00:42:21
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm Yeah Quinn Yeah Quinn's in Saints flip-flop I assume If they weren't already Quinn's at five.
00:42:22
Grumpy Old Prop
We've got to pull our heads out, because I can't sleep against them. Sail, you can play a certain style and exploit.
00:42:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I have quins at five.
00:42:35
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, I think I think oh, yeah. Okay. Never mind. Nope.
00:42:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I think they stay the same.
00:42:39
jarrod_dyke
I Think I think I originally had them that way and then we went the other way. Anywho, um, just pass fall three Two, okay
00:42:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Two.
00:42:50
jarrod_dyke
So that means Bristol still remain three.
00:42:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol are at four for me. Northampton, Rose. Northampton are like, oh.
00:42:56
jarrod_dyke
Northampton Rose impressive. Okay.
00:42:59
Grumpy Old Prop
um um do They have my attention now. And again, because you have, it's yeah.
00:43:03
jarrod_dyke
You have my attention.
00:43:07
Grumpy Old Prop
They did some okay things last year. So, um, if they start showing that kind of resolve and, and attacking intent, yeah, they could, that, that defense, you can fix the defense as the season goes on Bristol.
00:43:11
jarrod_dyke
and
00:43:21
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:43:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Like. If they keep doing what they're doing, it's going to be hard to keep them lower than that, but that's just the, you know, Saracens are one because fuck, they're the only doing top team, not pissing points away.
00:43:38
Grumpy Old Prop
They're like, no, let's take five. We'll take five. We'll take five. Like.
00:43:40
jarrod_dyke
right i I would break your arm off if you just told me that we were going to have 15 out of 15 off the bat.
00:43:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right. And it's it's beyond now it's beyond. um And it's also to to kind of um bugaboo teams with ah sale and exit or who nipped them, you know, one late one early last year.
00:43:57
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm. Yep.
00:44:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And Sarah's like, you know what? Fuck this. Why are we wrestling with a pig? Let's just outclass them. And that that is what.
00:44:10
Grumpy Old Prop
To me, gets them it excites me, but it also gets them up to one.
00:44:13
jarrod_dyke
So we pick
00:44:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause it's like, if they're going to play that way, if they're going to play every match that way, they're going to come away with the one seed. Like they'll lose some, of course, cause some, you know, some of these teams might be better than them on a day, but they're going to win enough to, to, to get number one.
00:44:28
jarrod_dyke
Not bad so far. Let me clave hard, yeah.
00:44:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:34
jarrod_dyke
ah Those that outdid themselves this week. Any nominations?
00:44:39
Grumpy Old Prop
You, you kind of linked to it or ah alluded to it earlier, but for me, it was the Gloucester nine, 10, 15 axis.
00:44:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, Thomas Williams, for sure. We talked about Barton already.
00:44:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:44:49
jarrod_dyke
And Anscombe's not doing anything special, but he's not fucking things up, so.
00:44:52
Grumpy Old Prop
You scoring tries.
00:44:53
jarrod_dyke
He did score one the other week that we kind of glossed over accidentally and that was, that I hit myself later on.
00:44:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, which was.
00:44:58
jarrod_dyke
I was like, damn it, we should have talked about that try because it was, it was a bit of class from the both of those guys.
00:45:03
Grumpy Old Prop
It was so, I mean, they're, they're, it's working. Williams is like, yeah, Williams and, and Anscombe are working well together.
00:45:09
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:45:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:45:10
jarrod_dyke
Williams, I think he's showing that he is at least better than Varney and not to say that we don't like Steven Varney, but you know, you know, there's other.
00:45:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Hell I like ankle field too, but.
00:45:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, there's other guys that could be at this nine position that probably should have taken another step and didn't and that's that was that has been holding Gloucester back a little bit at least.
00:45:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:45:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:45:30
jarrod_dyke
I think most people would agree.
00:45:33
jarrod_dyke
Non-premiership nomination. Shay McCarthy for Munster. Eight seconds into the game.
00:45:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:41
jarrod_dyke
I was watching this game. I was like, oh, I guess I don't need to go get a beer.
00:45:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. ah
00:45:49
jarrod_dyke
I was about to, and that happened. I was like, holy shit. I mean, it was a total flop job from the phrase, but like, yeah hey, Johnny on the spot, right place, right time, good things happen.
00:45:55
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:46:00
jarrod_dyke
So that that's like, Ookie.
00:46:01
Grumpy Old Prop
i the To me, the funnier thing is is whose record he broke.
00:46:06
jarrod_dyke
Was it Zeebuzz?
00:46:08
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it's Dougie Fife.
00:46:10
jarrod_dyke
Oh God.
00:46:14
jarrod_dyke
That's right.
00:46:15
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's just like, wait, Dougie, Dougie had that record like when that's wild.
00:46:15
jarrod_dyke
Teach me how to Dougie.
00:46:20
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, right. Absolutely nuts. We've acknowledged Thomas Williams. Any other nominations?
00:46:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I know I just had those three.
00:46:30
jarrod_dyke
Just those three. um I want to throw Roebuck a shout. I know he's had a rough start to the year, but obviously got himself a pair this weekend, so well done.
00:46:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:46:39
jarrod_dyke
Vicki Lafflin, Ealing Trail Finders.
00:46:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, OK, yep.
00:46:43
jarrod_dyke
Making life hard on the Saracens women.
00:46:46
Grumpy Old Prop
That I'd say the whole Trail Finders team shit.
00:46:48
jarrod_dyke
Really, but I mean, the backline in particular and and in particular, Vicki Lafflin.
00:46:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:46:52
jarrod_dyke
So well done to her. Um, shot the bed.
00:46:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Greg Fissello.
00:46:59
jarrod_dyke
Did not pass his nominate his audition for, he should be in the England team over roads too.
00:47:02
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I was I was being like, OK, I really wanted it.
00:47:06
jarrod_dyke
So it's like, I did too.
00:47:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I really wanted to see something from even though it was against Saris. I'm like, OK, cool. Like they have capstick and. um And fissile like maybe they'll try some, no, no, of course not.
00:47:17
jarrod_dyke
No, I mean, well,
00:47:18
Grumpy Old Prop
No, we're going to feature Ethan roots instead because that's what you do.
00:47:22
jarrod_dyke
belan um
00:47:26
jarrod_dyke
Can someone please find out who the impostor is that's wearing that blue scrum cap and wearing number eight for Gloucester because it's sure as fuck is not Zack Mercer. Like where the fuck did this guy go?
00:47:37
Grumpy Old Prop
i I think he's already back to France in his head.
00:47:40
jarrod_dyke
may I possibly, possibly.
00:47:41
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he's just fucked this place. i'll like i'll um I don't think his heart is in it right now.
00:47:46
jarrod_dyke
you So in that case, you may not be shocked to see a movement season.
00:47:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I hope that's not the case. I hope he he shows up because that makes them even more dangerous. but
00:47:56
jarrod_dyke
Right. Um, Billy Millard, Quinn's coach, you know, rolling Marcus out at 15. I know you got to do what you get to do some time, but you also have to know when to pull the record and be like, ah Jared, this is kind of shoot shooting us in the foot right now.
00:48:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:11
jarrod_dyke
We probably need to get, probably need to make some changes here.
00:48:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:48:14
jarrod_dyke
Whatever those changes are, make them, make them.
00:48:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd also.
00:48:17
jarrod_dyke
Um, yeah, honestly, if, if they're that desperate for back three players, make a loan call, call someone up.
00:48:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:25
jarrod_dyke
That's that's got a spare outside back that is not seeing a lot of time, but can do the job and get them in.
00:48:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:48:32
jarrod_dyke
You know, I know it's, I know injury cover is not ideal when you have to make that call, but you gotta do it.
00:48:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking isn't good around throw him over there. I'd love it. I would don't don't care get him over No, no Alex good Yeah, I don't care yeah I Know I'm just fucking No Um, yeah my My other shot the bed is young van grand
00:48:40
jarrod_dyke
Oh God. Um, Oh ours. No mine. Also don't go, he's not going to that team. Not going to that team.
00:48:53
jarrod_dyke
No, no, no, not that I, not that that's the team I hate, but still that they're not going to send him to that team. Um, I had bath back row.
00:49:04
jarrod_dyke
So sounds like bath had a, had a tough day.
00:49:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough. But that's, that's rough. Yeah.
00:49:08
jarrod_dyke
Sounds like bath had a tough day. Just the same. Um, so ref coach, young player of the week.
00:49:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. My ref is oddly enough, Matt Carley.
00:49:23
jarrod_dyke
Same, same, I thought he did a wonderful job. And he's become, I know, ah last week we did not.
00:49:26
Grumpy Old Prop
That's weird that we've agreed on these, like, I think all, all every week so far.
00:49:31
jarrod_dyke
I had Pierce again and you had CMK.
00:49:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Oh. Yeah, that's right. And only because I didn't want to give it a pierce every week.
00:49:34
jarrod_dyke
But two out of three. Yeah, two out of three. But ah you know, and I've been a big critic of Matt Carley, but he's honestly made himself a better referee. You know, I think that's just, that's very clear.
00:49:45
jarrod_dyke
It's one of the things that we crave when we watch a referee come into the league and just like, found her around a little bit and when they reach international honors, we want them to be worthy of it.
00:49:55
jarrod_dyke
Was he 100% worthy of it? Eh, maybe, maybe not. Has he become worthy of it? Yes, absolutely.
00:50:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'd say so.
00:50:01
jarrod_dyke
Hands down. So, um good on him.
00:50:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And because it used to be like, he'd come in making a call, which was like, bass act words wrong. And just with that same like stern, like I saw no, no, no, no, like i that that look on his face.
00:50:11
jarrod_dyke
Oh, totally. It's like nothing pisses you off more when a guy's a dickhead and he's wrong.
00:50:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And And now he's making these, he's kind of doing the, he has the same demeanor, the demeanor hasn't changed, but he's making much better calls.
00:50:22
jarrod_dyke
No. Mm-hmm.
00:50:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, or at least, um, he's, he's being consistent throughout the game, which is much more important.
00:50:30
jarrod_dyke
At the minimum.
00:50:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It's, it's almost as important as making good calls.
00:50:34
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:50:34
Grumpy Old Prop
So when he comes in and it's like, you have that, you know, especially when you're, um, a neutral, it's like, oh yeah, he made that right. Okay. Yeah. He can, he can go a little bit.
00:50:42
jarrod_dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:50:43
Grumpy Old Prop
That's a good call. Good job. Like, and yeah, he's kind of earning that grimace.
00:50:45
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, especially when you look at it, you're like, I need to see this again, did he get this right?
00:50:50
jarrod_dyke
And you see it again, you're like, fuck, you got it right, all right.
00:50:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Had it right?
00:50:53
jarrod_dyke
Keep on moving then.
00:50:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:50:55
jarrod_dyke
um I think so.
00:50:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think he had a good, didn't he have a good um progression on ah on a ah head hit? I think there was there was like some something where he really got it right and it was like, I think was it like incidental or I can't remember.
00:51:14
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it was the one where um
00:51:15
jarrod_dyke
Dude.
00:51:16
Grumpy Old Prop
There was the late, it was on, fuck, who was the wing?
00:51:22
jarrod_dyke
david
00:51:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was on Nick David, that's right. Cause somebody stepped like right back into him.
00:51:26
jarrod_dyke
say at home. Yeah.
00:51:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:28
jarrod_dyke
Yep.
00:51:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And so I was like, yeah, that's a high tackle.
00:51:28
jarrod_dyke
That's what it was.
00:51:30
jarrod_dyke
That was the penalty try.
00:51:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:32
jarrod_dyke
That was the penalty try. Didn't, didn't send him off off, but knew it was a card, especially for the reason of, especially for the reason of he stopped to try.
00:51:36
Grumpy Old Prop
No, or maybe it was another, yeah.
00:51:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah.
00:51:41
jarrod_dyke
So Nope,
00:51:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I was thinking of a different one, but um probably just not from this match.
00:51:47
jarrod_dyke
probably not. Um,
00:51:49
Grumpy Old Prop
sort the Whatever ref made a really good um yellow card or no card, I think, assessment at one point. um I liked that. and I can't remember which game it was or which ref.
00:52:00
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:52:02
jarrod_dyke
It'll come to you.
00:52:03
Grumpy Old Prop
No, well, um I'm past it already.
00:52:07
jarrod_dyke
Uh, coach.
00:52:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Mark McCall. He's letting the boys be the boys. And um I think he's almost letting Fergus Burke be like, you know, bring what you brought with, you know, bring the Crusaders with you.
00:52:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, we need some of that kind of style here.
00:52:27
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:52:27
jarrod_dyke
Well, something will be good.
00:52:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I think there was no accident that they signed him um because that's the style they're playing.
00:52:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's that's I like it. And it's going to win him a lot of games.
00:52:34
jarrod_dyke
Yep. Adapting to his, to his strengths.
00:52:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:38
jarrod_dyke
That's what you should do as a good team.
00:52:41
jarrod_dyke
Uh, I went Pat Lamb.
00:52:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Also a quality candidate.
00:52:46
jarrod_dyke
Going to, going to bath and and having your boys put in that type of performance after the week before where it was so fucking disappointing on the way they lost. Just bouncing back against your archribals. You've got him, he got him up, he got him focused and you got him a big old dub down in bath. So good on him. Young player.
00:53:05
Grumpy Old Prop
ah We talked about a little bit, Sam Harris.
00:53:09
jarrod_dyke
Same. Same. Introduced himself to everybody this weekend. My name is Sam Harris. I play fullback and wing for Bath, and you're going to see me for a little while probably.
00:53:18
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, and yes, you do. And yes, we will.
00:53:21
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. Try the week.
00:53:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Emma Singh.
00:53:25
jarrod_dyke
Same.
00:53:26
jarrod_dyke
We talked about it at the beginning of the pod. Girls, just stay put. I got this. No worries.
00:53:26
Grumpy Old Prop
It was, yeah.
00:53:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't stress yourself.
00:53:35
jarrod_dyke
but I'll take care of this thing and I'll give it back to you later.
00:53:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:53:41
jarrod_dyke
Uh, shit. Um, player of the week.
00:53:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Santi Grondona.
00:53:49
jarrod_dyke
I went, I went for someone, same team.
00:53:54
jarrod_dyke
um want gay bo right I I really, and so without getting too deep into the England squad, I really wish they would like find space for him in the England squad because.
00:53:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, great.
00:53:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. I mean, he had a, he played well.
00:54:07
jarrod_dyke
For you know the Australia World Cup coming up, you're not gonna bring both George and LCD.
00:54:15
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:54:16
jarrod_dyke
I think if Jinx makes it that far, he'll be lucky if we're honest.
00:54:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:22
jarrod_dyke
So you need a a younger stable. you know You're not gonna take Tom Dunn. You're probably not gonna take Blomire. You might take Jack Walker. But I think in terms of what Agree offers over somebody like Walker, it's the it's not you can't match it.
00:54:33
Grumpy Old Prop
A lot. Significantly.
00:54:35
jarrod_dyke
You can't match it. So I hope, I hope he gets, I hope he gets to do soon. Honestly. Dick of the week.
00:54:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Rob Baxter.
00:54:48
jarrod_dyke
Same.
00:54:49
Grumpy Old Prop
ah No, it's just
00:54:50
jarrod_dyke
All right. Here's the thing. He wasn't a dick this week in particular. but he's getting it because let's be honest, he's done a dog shit job of preparing for this team for when they had the team before that was very good.
00:55:06
jarrod_dyke
And trust me, that's coming out of my mouth.
00:55:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:55:08
jarrod_dyke
It doesn't taste very good, but they were very good. There's no way around it. Uh, but he's done a dog shit job in preparing them for, uh, for a life afterwards. Like you're telling me you were leaning on Ian Whitten this whole fucking time.
00:55:20
jarrod_dyke
Like you can't tell me that Joe Simmons and and Sam Simmons.
00:55:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:23
jarrod_dyke
Yes. All right.
00:55:24
jarrod_dyke
Yep. You know, and really he didn't, I don't think he advocated very well for his players to Eddie, but grant Eddie's an idiot. So that's a different story for a different day. Um,
00:55:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:55:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I mean, he's doing something because I don't, I still don't get how roots gets, I don't get it, but well, that there's
00:55:38
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. I think both those guys head up his ass. That's a different, you have a higher opinion of both with than I do.
00:55:40
Grumpy Old Prop
that.
00:55:42
jarrod_dyke
So that's another thing. Um, yeah, like, um, you know, they they were comparing the two, the two rebuilds on TV.
00:55:52
jarrod_dyke
Really? You look at what we lost. We lost the better polis. We lost the wings, which I, you know, I love Sean Maitland, but thank God.
00:55:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:56:00
jarrod_dyke
And Lewington same thing. Thank God I'm okay with letting them go, like letting them be gone.
00:56:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Right.
00:56:05
jarrod_dyke
Um, I, all this time I thought we're Timmy Shagan should have been playing way more and he got a little bit more time last year and now he's getting the job says, um, and then we lost.
00:56:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:56:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, the job says. And Tobias Elliott seems to be like, here's the that's the other thing is like when they lost those guys and they didn't really sign a winger.
00:56:18
jarrod_dyke
Yeah.
00:56:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, we know they have got Sinti still coming too. but you're like, well, what the fuck are they gonna do? And it's like, well, oh, they have Tobias Elliott.
00:56:33
Grumpy Old Prop
There you go. Have you know have have have a steaming hot load of him.
00:56:35
jarrod_dyke
Right.
00:56:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Whereas with Exeter, you were you were playing Stuart Hogg at his like, stueart hogggie last least Stuart Hoggie ever.
00:56:43
jarrod_dyke
Worse.
00:56:47
jarrod_dyke
Thinking he was going to be good. and Nope.
00:56:47
Grumpy Old Prop
ah you sign you You're gonna whine about the salary cap, overpay that hump when he he was really no good for you anymore.
00:56:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And you had Josh Hodge sitting there. You knew he was coming in your system. Like who don't know. You don't get, no, I'm sorry.
00:57:02
jarrod_dyke
And some of these other younglings that they've obviously unearthed with like Fuevo Boso and this brown Bampo kid, like, like, he's making bad.
00:57:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:08
Grumpy Old Prop
um bumpo Yeah.
00:57:11
Grumpy Old Prop
They've got talent.
00:57:13
jarrod_dyke
He's at this point, he's just making shitty decisions.
00:57:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:16
jarrod_dyke
You know, he made them a long time ago and he's paying for it now. And, you know, everyone's saying, Oh, he had a good year last year.
00:57:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And again.
00:57:21
jarrod_dyke
I was like, I don't think it's a good year from with Newcastle being the bottom and a bad Gloucester team being the ninth theme.
00:57:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:25
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:57:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:29
jarrod_dyke
Like, I don't know how we get there if we're honest.
00:57:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And again, you see guys who leave Exeter being good, like Grondona.
00:57:33
jarrod_dyke
so So, and really you look at the other time, you look at the other side of the match this week and
00:57:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like it's just a perfect shitstorm of of dick of the week for for that sort of just surrounding Rob Baxter. It's like a Hurricane Milton of dick.
00:57:55
jarrod_dyke
See what you will. They've put together stocks for, you know, for what what was going down.
00:57:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:58:02
jarrod_dyke
They, you know, we grabbed Caray and a bunch of guys that can scrum over Macco and let a couple other guys walk.
00:58:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:58:09
jarrod_dyke
And that's okay.
00:58:10
Grumpy Old Prop
How good was Reese carry this game, too?
00:58:11
jarrod_dyke
It was wonderful.
00:58:13
Grumpy Old Prop
We didn't mention that. That's not fair.
00:58:14
jarrod_dyke
No, we didn't.
00:58:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, Reese.
00:58:16
jarrod_dyke
Wild Welsh ginger man.
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
You deserved much better than that.
00:58:18
jarrod_dyke
ah um But we knew we knew one of Macko's weaknesses was his scrumaging and it got really exposed last year.
00:58:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:58:27
jarrod_dyke
Like ball carrying absolute phenomenal would not trade him for the world. But that and then Billy was just crap. Like every time Billy touched the ball, things went bad, you know.
00:58:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep.
00:58:38
jarrod_dyke
And so we were it was well known life was going to be OK after that. Farrell was a completely different story, but there're they have surrounded, we just talked to has touched on it. Fergus Burke is doing wonders only because they're playing to his strengths and not making his life hard when he's on the pitch. He's just asked to do the jobs that he's used to doing. Playing simple. That's pretty easy coaching if you look at it.
00:59:06
jarrod_dyke
so yeah while they had this one well while eter had this wonderful class, they just leaned on it way too hard and weren't ready for what was coming.
00:59:16
jarrod_dyke
Do they have another one in the in the locker? I doubt it. you know don't I don't see it in in the pack. I don't see it in the back line.
00:59:28
jarrod_dyke
you know Maybe I'll eat my words later, but especially at the nine and 10 spot. like you get You're playing Harvey Scanner who doesn't belong there.
00:59:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:59:37
jarrod_dyke
and Doesn't belong in wearing that 10 shirt for a premiership team really.
00:59:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, but he might be a ten for England. No.
00:59:42
jarrod_dyke
Oh Man, I can't I can't believe I heard those words not a chance um They got Hayden wood and my my concern immediately when they signed him was they're not going to use them and unfortunately, that was the truth and that really sucks for him because we saw a lot of bright things going on with him at Newcastle and at wasp and I thought this is this
00:59:43
Grumpy Old Prop
No, what the f...
00:59:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:05
jarrod_dyke
who Whoever is going to grab him could have a wonderful situation. And I was sad it was extra because they I think it's fair to say they hang on to guys and and play them probably a little too long.
01:00:17
jarrod_dyke
They're not as guilt. They're not less guilt. They're more probably more guilty than some but not others of that.
01:00:23
Grumpy Old Prop
But they like the the people that they give this these opportunities to, sorry, I know we're extending this too long, but the people were that that they're giving chances to, and they couldn't keep the Simmons brothers.
01:00:32
jarrod_dyke
Almost there.
01:00:40
jarrod_dyke
Right.
01:00:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, you couldn't wait to get rid of them, it felt like.
01:00:48
jarrod_dyke
To a point I'd say.
01:00:50
Grumpy Old Prop
And yet you're like, yeah, we're going to keep putting vermulin out there. And you were, I bet if you cut both of them or didn't resign both of them, you could just give their salaries to, you know, Sam Simmons and don't sign anybody new, just build through your system and you, you would have been just fine. But instead you had to keep, you know, a bunch of humps instead of good players.
01:01:16
jarrod_dyke
Yeah. So I think, again, it's not this weekend, it's the job he's done overall that he probably should have done better with. And you know, they want to people are clamoring about the exit away.
01:01:32
Grumpy Old Prop
What way is that?
01:01:33
jarrod_dyke
Extra ways looking pretty dogshit at the moment.
01:01:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:36
jarrod_dyke
I think and I don't think that's unfair.
01:01:37
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not a direction I want to go.
01:01:41
jarrod_dyke
No. No, no, I think they, I think if they look in the mirror hard, they'll realize we kind of balled this ourselves.
01:01:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to go the other way.
01:01:48
jarrod_dyke
And I think that I do think, unfortunately he's gonna, they're going to give him probably a little too long than they should.
01:01:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:01:57
jarrod_dyke
And that's just how it is. Cause Rowan, he are like BFFs and I'm sure there's a lot more going on there that I want, don't want to know about. but Any, uh, let's go to pick them Friday night, sale Newcastle.
01:02:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:02:14
jarrod_dyke
ah Not Newcastle.
01:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, not Newcastle, so be so.
01:02:18
jarrod_dyke
Uh, Exeter Bristol.
01:02:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol.
01:02:22
jarrod_dyke
Bristol.
01:02:25
jarrod_dyke
Gloucester Bath. This is now tasty. This is now tasty. I'm taking a bath.
01:02:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm taking Gloucester.
01:02:34
jarrod_dyke
Okay. All right, here we go.
01:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm i'm I'm kind of, I think the shed might, um, be cooking up something for, for Finn after, after last year, the shushing, the great shushing.
01:02:37
jarrod_dyke
Gonna have some separation finally.
01:02:45
jarrod_dyke
Maybe. Yeah. so yeah
01:02:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:02:51
jarrod_dyke
The Great Shushing. ah another Another big one. Midland Starby.
01:02:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I got the away team on this one.
01:02:59
jarrod_dyke
Less during Northampton. I do too. they They showed some grit. And I know, and this is, this is going to be a good old fashioned Midlands. This is not going to be for the week of hard by any means.
01:03:08
Grumpy Old Prop
You'll be some slobber knockery.
01:03:11
jarrod_dyke
Yes. I don't think this is going to be one that you, this might be one you watch with your eyes closed. Let's be honest. Please don't do it again. ah So that might be what we got here.
01:03:21
Grumpy Old Prop
ever watched footage of crash test dummies? like
01:03:27
jarrod_dyke
All right. Uh, Quinn series.
01:03:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. I said this to you. I'm going to say it here.
01:03:37
Grumpy Old Prop
This is, there's no, not going to be any better opportunity this weekend than this weekend for Saracens to beat Quinn's, um, at Quinn's because as we've talked about, there's just so that the Harlequins have been depleted.
01:03:53
Grumpy Old Prop
They can still, of course, they can still ball. We saw that this past weekend.
01:03:57
jarrod_dyke
There's no guys that can totally rock it on this team. No doubt.
01:04:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. um It would frighten me more like I would I would not be making this pick if there were like three to four other guys that are injured currently for for Harlequins.
01:04:11
jarrod_dyke
Same. Same.
01:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's why I'm picking Saracens because they're healthy.
01:04:14
jarrod_dyke
I agree with that.
01:04:16
Grumpy Old Prop
They're pretty well rocked up in there. They're they're ah looking like a well oiled machine and Harlequins just aren't.
01:04:21
jarrod_dyke
Mm hmm.
01:04:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And I i think that that the margins are going to be close enough in this one because of especially with the injuries that the home field is not going to help.
01:04:30
jarrod_dyke
Yeah, not quite where they'd want to be at this moment. Okay. Cool. All right. That did it. Hey, see, we didn't do too bad.
01:04:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Not bad We had a lot to bitch about Rob Baxter I want It's right I Had to go back a couple pages of like wait, how why do I wait?
01:04:41
jarrod_dyke
Not bad at all. Even with that long yawn, yawn festival that we put out there. Sorry, guys. Anyway, um, we are going to head over to the, we did.
01:04:52
jarrod_dyke
That's been bottled up. but Believe it or not, as much as we winched about that guy, that's still been bottled up for a little while. Trust me.
01:05:03
Grumpy Old Prop
What are other reasons? He's ways. He's annoyed me in the past. Let's go Oh
01:05:09
jarrod_dyke
that Long list. Long list of them. Anyway, um we're going to head over to the fantasy corner. We hope you join us over there. If you're not gonna join us over there, we will be back sometime on Friday for you all to watch our terrible advice with the start sit sheet.
01:05:24
jarrod_dyke
Until then, we appreciate you all for listening to us. Thank you very much, everyone. Enjoy the rugby. Have a good one.
01:05:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:05:29
jarrod_dyke
Cheers.