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Season 7- Episode 10- Festivus & the Rest (Champions Cup Round 2)
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It's the big episode before the holidays, it's FESTIVUS TIME! On this episode with those American rugby knuckleheads, we air our grievances and show some feats of strength. Then we take a visit to the Gardens for the PWR match of the week. We take our jaunt around Europe for Champions Cup round 2, then. We wrap with our superlatives for the week and pick 'em. Buckle in, it's a doozy so make sure you double up on those beverages and enjoy!
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Transcript
Festivus Kickoff
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go. We have oh so much to talk about and oh so little time to do it in because today is also Festivus.
00:00:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It is. which Man.
00:00:43
Jarrod Dyke
we'll explain We'll explain the finer points of that in a little bit once we get through our ah usual spiel here and then and we'll go there.
00:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
We will. We will.
Sports Talk: Steelers and Rugby
00:00:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm beer-less today.
00:00:51
Jarrod Dyke
Find us on your favorite deck. What's that?
00:00:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm beer-less today. It's a sad occasion.
00:00:57
Jarrod Dyke
Didn't your wife keep you here?
00:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll live. I drank them all.
00:01:01
Jarrod Dyke
yeah That's a good excuse. Find us on your favorite podcast. de Download, rate, and review. Feedback always welcome. ah That's hilarious.
00:01:14
Grumpy Old Prop
I was drinking the last one.
00:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
Make sure that you...
00:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I was like, you know what? ah That's okay. I'll hit the store before i the next pod. And here we are.
00:01:19
Jarrod Dyke
You don't know yourself well enough, do you?
00:01:22
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:01:23
Jarrod Dyke
the I would have told you don't do that.
00:01:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Or no, I just didn't care. Or I just.
00:01:27
Jarrod Dyke
If that was your reasoning and I was with you, I would have said don't do that.
00:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
I've been like, no, don't do that. Nevermind, too late.
00:01:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, I would have totally told you. I would have saved you a bit, but I wouldn't say love you.
00:01:41
Grumpy Old Prop
ah You you you watch that Steelers game sober then we'll talk Yeah He means American football not rugby He's watched many more minutes than that.
00:01:42
Jarrod Dyke
I wasn't there.
00:01:46
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I didn't want, iowa I didn't watch none of that. So I love that. I love that I'm in, ah I'm in that league's semi-final and I've watched as many minutes of rugby as my seed.
00:02:00
Jarrod Dyke
ha so
00:02:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, not that one. Yeah.
00:02:08
Jarrod Dyke
I have watched way more minutes of that.
00:02:08
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah
00:02:10
Jarrod Dyke
We're going to talk about all that in a minute here.
00:02:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
Make sure that you buy a good friend, Georgia, the face where we geek a coffee or beer. um Boy was obviously very busy with during championship time. And now we're back into the two competition land of URC and prem.
00:02:27
Jarrod Dyke
So make sure that you get support that guy.
00:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Who is that? What are they again? I don't know. Yeah. No, it's not like that anymore. That's the, that's the shit of it. Anyway.
American Gun Violence Discussion
00:02:34
Jarrod Dyke
What's that?
00:02:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Champions Cup. It's not what it's it the, we'll talk about it, but it's not what it used to be. Certainly.
00:02:41
Jarrod Dyke
No, but we'll get there anyway.
00:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Although this weekend was was quite good.
00:02:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there was there was there was good to be had.
00:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Yeah, if you found it, it was good.
00:02:50
Jarrod Dyke
If you found it. There's no the discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. um while We're not necessarily talking about gun gun violence being a discrimination thing, although sometimes it is.
00:03:03
Jarrod Dyke
um More in the context of shocker of the day, we have another school shooting here in America.
00:03:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Got it, it's now.
00:03:08
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, hey, surprise. Oh, wait, you're not surprised, are you? um And then, you know, the number of people that are just like, you know, over like reacting to um ding dong from last the other week, the United Health Care CEO dying and like,
00:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
all the accident was taken than that. And then we have school children dying and calling 911 because there's a shooter in their school. And the reaction to that is like,
00:03:35
Grumpy Old Prop
there They're setting up a CEO hotline in New York for if CEOs feel like they they may be threatened, like they're they're they don't they're they're receiving hostile um messages or something like that and feel threatened, that they can call the governor's office and they'll assign police to protect them.
00:03:38
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:03:41
Jarrod Dyke
yep.
00:03:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And yet,
00:04:01
Grumpy Old Prop
the kids going to school, they're like, yeah, fuck them. We don't need to do anything about that.
00:04:05
Jarrod Dyke
No, don't do anything about that.
00:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So no discrimination does and it carry a a class consciousness.
00:04:08
Jarrod Dyke
Nothing.
00:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's really actually the point of no discrimination. um Because it's like the the the the wealthy and the powerful, like, I mean, they're, they're powerful for a reason. And they get what they want. And it's like,
00:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
our Yeah, our society has problems man like real fucking problem But yeah, it's just like how how do people like I don't understand how this is acceptable There's so many people here.
00:04:34
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, understatement of the day. And I will do my damnedest to not use that statement again for the rest of the pod. Like I really want to emphasize that.
00:04:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I just don't get it Yeah, like I there was so much like oh you're you're
00:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
Me neither. Me neither.
00:04:59
Grumpy Old Prop
you know oh you You might actually support this this guy who shot the CEO. It's like you it's not like I'm there cheering him on. At the same time, it's just inevitable when a society is like this.
00:05:13
Jarrod Dyke
It's one of those things where it's like, you're shocked this happened. I'm sorry i'm shocked it took this long, honestly.
00:05:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right. And it's not not happening more because this is you know a lot of um
00:05:20
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:05:26
Grumpy Old Prop
ah you know the what you call them um analogies have been made to like the French Revolution. And it's like, well, yeah, inequality here is actually worse and has been worse for a lot longer than the lead into the French Revolution. So it's like, yeah, we talk, we have football, we have rugby, but we have, you know, all these other sports and movies and stuff like that. But they're only going to distract people for so long.
00:05:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And the wind conditions keep getting worse. and And again, I know we're connecting this back to a school shooting, but like, yeah, generations now have grown up since like you know a Columbine. I was
Comparing Global Gun Control
00:06:02
Grumpy Old Prop
in college in Columbine.
00:06:04
Jarrod Dyke
That was in high school.
00:06:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I was a freshman.
00:06:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I was a freshman in college, if I remember correctly. And it was like, like wow, something's got to be done about that.
00:06:10
Jarrod Dyke
No, it's like I was in. Yeah, I was I was in middle school. Sorry. Sorry about aging you a little bit.
00:06:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck you. see the
00:06:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, I was. No, I was in middle school and and it was like this huge thing. And we were just like, holy shit. And nothing's happened. And like Jim Jeffries was one of the best people that put it ever. Like you haven't watched him. He's pretty fucking funny. um But he was also like, you know, you guys are pretty messed up in how you protect your guns. Like we had a huge um shooting out on the board was called down in Australia and they took care of it right away. Weapons were gone. You know, we saw it in New Zealand and the same thing with Um, the the mass shooting down there and they were just like, yeah, let's get rid of all the, these, these weapons.
00:06:50
Grumpy Old Prop
just send Arden yeah
00:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
And it happened in a blink of an eye and 90% of people cooperated. So, and here we have little school children dying sandy at Sandy hook and minimal action was taking that vest.
00:07:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:07:10
Grumpy Old Prop
and but And like, the thing is, these are all symptomatic, like the the violence amongst ourselves, like those school shootings um is is not it's not disconnected from everything else, because, like, people act out when um And I mean, people, human beings act out when they're not getting the support or attention they need or, or when they feel like they have no future.
00:07:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:07:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And man, I remember when I was growing up, I was like, Yeah, it looks like it's difficult. But like, there's a chance. that could be easy. and Because like my parents' generation was like, yeah, they like you could you could do it pretty easy.
00:07:53
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:07:59
Grumpy Old Prop
You just put in a little little effort and things went well. and now and But I saw kind of the tail end of that. And so I was like, well, maybe it can still happen.
00:08:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:08:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And that was a lot, there's a lot that's happened between then and now and no, it's not getting better for anybody.
00:08:09
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:08:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's why we're seeing these school shootings is cause they're like, well, screw it. I might as well act up, act a fool. Cause like nothing, else nothing really matters. Nothing's going to happen for me anyway. Like there's zero chance of it.
00:08:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm never going to get help I need. Like it's going to be bad. It's not even that it's never going to be easy.
00:08:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:08:30
Grumpy Old Prop
It's that it's going to be bad.
00:08:32
Jarrod Dyke
yep That's more the point.
00:08:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, and then then that's why that's why powerful people get capped.
00:08:35
Jarrod Dyke
And and it's ah it's.
00:08:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, I'm not gonna be, it's like, if you want it to be different, if you don't wanna be unsafe as like a CEO,
00:08:52
Grumpy Old Prop
maybe stop killing people for money then. You know, maybe, maybe you do something better or, or like work your company to something better to to help people instead of to kill people.
00:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
Be a good idea.
00:09:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, definitely.
00:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Very easy.
00:09:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and it's like, ah people are just like, well, this is the problem, this is the problem. No, dude, like, there are other places, other countries that have many of the same problems that people are pointing out that we do.
00:09:19
Jarrod Dyke
We have one problem and it's access to weapons. It's really, really fucking simple, okay?
00:09:25
Grumpy Old Prop
There's that too. it's It's way too easy. And that makes it, yeah, that makes it that much easier now. People wanna act out, this is a very cheap and easy way to do it.
00:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:09:36
Jarrod Dyke
People are like, Oh, you'd still get them on the black market. They mark the fuck out of those things on the black market when they're illegal. Like you understand that, right? Like if it's something illegal, the price goes through the roof.
00:09:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, it's not, right.
00:09:49
Jarrod Dyke
Like either that and also used to deal with sketch balls. Like that.
00:09:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh-huh.
00:09:53
Jarrod Dyke
If you don't give them the ah the money that they asked, even if they change the price on you, you die.
00:09:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Or, yeah.
00:09:59
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know,
00:10:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Where you just don't get the gun or you get a gun that doesn't actually work or, you know, blows up in your face, like they'll like.
00:10:05
Jarrod Dyke
Also that, yep.
00:10:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of problems with the world that are similar to ours. We're the only one that has this one problem and we refuse to fix it. So it's hard to sit here and say, I have hope.
00:10:22
Jarrod Dyke
I have hope, but fucking hell.
00:10:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly.
00:10:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly.
00:10:25
Jarrod Dyke
It's, it's fading.
00:10:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, even.
00:10:26
Jarrod Dyke
It's, you know, it's getting tested. That's for goddamn sure.
00:10:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It is. I mean, we are now, what was it? It was, I think it was a December, December 10th, December 12th. Sandy Hook. So
Festivus Traditions Explained
00:10:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I was like, that was recent.
00:10:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And that was shit 12 years ago, 12 years ago.
00:10:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:10:42
Jarrod Dyke
Right. I haven't done shit about it.
00:10:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Haven't done shit. ah It blows my mind. But CEO, CEO gets got and.
00:10:48
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:10:52
Jarrod Dyke
Instantaneous reform.
00:10:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, my, we need to change the and shot the fuck. up
00:10:56
Jarrod Dyke
Shut up.
00:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway,
00:11:00
Jarrod Dyke
All right. um We keep this brief, grab our Patreon. We promise we'll have good shit on there. End of story. um but let's let's go do let's go do the Let's go do the more fun thing, which is the Festivus.
00:11:08
Grumpy Old Prop
end of advertisement.
00:11:14
Jarrod Dyke
And I will leave Ben to explain as such, if you this is your first Festivus with us, welcome.
00:11:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Welcome. um So Festivus is obviously inspired by the ah Seinfeld holiday that George's dad Frank Kristanza creates. It involves an aluminum pole. No tree he finds tinsel distracting.
00:11:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um So just a bare aluminum pole. That's how you celebrate it or that's that's what your your decoration is. He's not one to for flash. um And then there is the airing of grievances, which kind of make sense we will air some grievances tonight um we won't have ah an aluminum pole unfortunately i mean i think i have one around here somewhere but you know i'm not putting it up um we'll air some grievances from this year and um yeah uh that's fairly fairly simple i think we'll have we each have two grievances to air and then Festivus doesn't end without a feat of strength
00:12:08
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:12:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And a few, and I don't even know if I did this before, but, um, our feats of strength are we have to say something nice and, um, appreciative about someone we don't like.
00:12:37
Jarrod Dyke
About someone we don't like There's been we've done this over here there's been some there's been many a candidate but over the years
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And i'm I'm wondering if I'm repeating, although it's been fricking seven years, so.
00:12:52
Jarrod Dyke
So maybe, maybe you're going back to like one in which case you can be forgiven.
00:12:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe I don't know and I don't think so. I'm just worried. It's a more recent one I haven't I haven't checked him out.
00:12:59
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I don't have a list of them either.
00:13:01
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't have I don't even think we have a list of them. We should some No, so who gives a shit look If anyone out there remember like if I if I say, you know, put put out my feet of strength and it's something I've done but in the past and you remember that I think that I think might say a lot about you and I hope that that doesn't happen to any of you out there and
00:13:04
Jarrod Dyke
I can usually kind of recall like, Hmm, I think I said something about that. I think I said something about that. So I've,
00:13:25
Jarrod Dyke
who Who hurt you?
00:13:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm sorry but for what happened to you. that This is how you are.
00:13:30
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:13:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:13:38
Grumpy Old Prop
So um with any luck, you'll be like, Oh yeah, you know maybe it might sound familiar, but you know, Ben's kind of said stuff like that before.
00:13:39
Jarrod Dyke
um Good job.
00:13:44
Grumpy Old Prop
So maybe it was just, yeah,
Rugby Club Critiques
00:13:45
Grumpy Old Prop
no, but if you know, Oh yeah, Ben said that.
00:13:46
Jarrod Dyke
It might be similar but not the same.
00:13:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh man. yeah there's a there's a there's a yeah it's not the same anywho anywho
00:13:52
Jarrod Dyke
This is a Venn diagram with a lot of crossover. All right, um ah I guess ladies will go first.
00:13:59
Grumpy Old Prop
beauty
00:14:05
Jarrod Dyke
All right, so what's up?
00:14:06
Grumpy Old Prop
before age wait damn it shut up move on
00:14:10
Jarrod Dyke
ah you Hey, listen, that's up to you. Anywho, so my my first grievance, both of them are actually gonna be pretty close to home. um My first grievance is with as much as I love our, our beloved New England free Jackson, the defending champions two time.
00:14:27
Jarrod Dyke
There's still grievances to be had with this organization and they they go a little bit deeper down in Ben.
00:14:30
Grumpy Old Prop
actually really are
00:14:33
Jarrod Dyke
I've actually discussed this to ad nauseam. Um, my big problem with New England free jacks right now is they are very, at they have a very narrow base in terms of the clubs that they support.
00:14:47
Jarrod Dyke
and they'll say they do, they support more, but they don't, they support two clubs.
00:14:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhmm.
00:14:51
Jarrod Dyke
They're Mystic River and Boston Irish Bowl fans, that's it. And if you're not from either one of those organizations, you also aren't probably aren't getting a coaching job like in any of the academies with them unless you like know someone that knows someone and maybe has a photo or two of someone.
00:14:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhmm.
00:15:04
Jarrod Dyke
you know So it's really just a nuisance for me and know i I shot myself in the foot with a sent by sending an email to someone but and just calling them all their bullshit.
00:15:16
Jarrod Dyke
If it never moved the needle for me, that's fine. I hope it moves the needle for someone else because it's it's horseshit. Like every person I've talked to has said that's the dumbest move you can do is to have such a narrow base like that.
00:15:31
Jarrod Dyke
You know, they have the potential to have a nice wide base of, you know, teams that they can at least support and should a diamond in the rough occur. I don't want these teams.
00:15:41
Jarrod Dyke
You can say, yeah, right. And I'm not mad that we found this guy. You know,
00:15:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Because if I can step in on this, sorry, um like there's talent everywhere. I don't care if you're looking at a D3 club, there's someone there as someone who I feel I feel like um
00:15:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:16:01
Grumpy Old Prop
in in this is before Jared knew me. like If I was 27, when I was that you know that age, I probably could have been like playing at a level i like but for what MLR is. But like I had been playing D3 and was moving up a little bit, but it's like,
00:16:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I just was playing with my friends. Right. But if you put that in front of me, like there and I'm not saying I'm anything fucking special.
00:16:24
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:16:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm just saying there's there's talent out there at all levels. And just to to confine yourself, the two teams is yeah, that's short sighted. Even in the D3 ranks, there are there are players there anyway.
00:16:38
Jarrod Dyke
It's really short. So it's really stupid.
00:16:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, go ahead.
00:16:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they're just in there and they're athletes too. Like sometimes they're just guys that are getting, you know, coming from another sport.
00:16:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:16:48
Jarrod Dyke
Like I know for a fact, our club, our old club has A guy that's playing six right now, that was like division two basketball player took to the sport, like a doctor water.
00:16:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yep, there's people that happens like k Chrissy Kersey.
00:16:58
Jarrod Dyke
And he's an, and he's a really good athlete.
00:17:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Chrissy Kersey, I mean, she went I mean, she went to she went to a D1 club right away.
00:17:02
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Christy.
00:17:07
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, what if she was friends with someone on like Charles River? So she went there, never would have been anything close to to this, I don't think.
00:17:13
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:17:16
Jarrod Dyke
Probably not.
00:17:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Although I've seen it before a club like that gets gets a good player.
00:17:18
Jarrod Dyke
So.
00:17:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um Carmen Farmer, um former eagle.
00:17:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:17:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, was, uh, she played with my, my wife, my, my then girlfriend at like a D two club and like caught eyes.
00:17:32
Jarrod Dyke
There you go. Exactly.
00:17:34
Grumpy Old Prop
So it happens, but that's, that should be, it should be easier. They should be doing more work.
00:17:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and you're, and they also, you know, by only, you know, digging into two clubs, you're also turning down like coaching talent to like, there's some good coaches that come from other clubs.
00:17:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:48
Jarrod Dyke
And when you're going to the same two clubs, you're also stuck with some coaches that don't know what the hell they're doing.
00:17:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:17:54
Jarrod Dyke
And I can tell you, like I've had at least three or four of my kids come back and say, where's this guy coach? I said, oh, he coaches X, but he he's from um one of those two clubs. They're like, he has no idea what he's doing. I'm like, no, he doesn't know he doesn't. So it's yeah, it's really it's a super annoying thing. And, you know, I've spoken before how like being an academy coach for me would be a huge accomplishment in my eyes. And, you know, in my efforts to get through the door, I also you know, tried to bang down as many as I could.
00:18:27
Jarrod Dyke
And the one crack that opened, I ended up getting sick and they're just like, oh, doors closed.
00:18:33
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, thanks. Cool guys. Love it. Love it. So that is my first grievance with this whole thing. You want me to do both? You want to do one?
00:18:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:18:43
Jarrod Dyke
and I'll do one.
00:18:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh, you can do both. look We can, we can do two.
00:18:47
Jarrod Dyke
All right, I'm on a roll, look out.
00:18:48
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to stop your momentum here. Keep like you're crushing. I know I jumped in, but like, I, I, I felt like I helped sustain.
00:18:55
Jarrod Dyke
No, that's all right, it was ah it was a valid point.
00:18:59
Jarrod Dyke
That momentum.
00:19:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:01
Jarrod Dyke
um All right, so another one that's actually gonna hit close to home and um it's something that's more for this year. and MLR in the midweek game, like you idiots.
00:19:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck.
00:19:14
Jarrod Dyke
And they're like, ah so I've, I've actually corresponded with, um, someone from the players association and they're like, well, world rugby, it's technically a guideline.
00:19:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:19:24
Jarrod Dyke
So it's not a rule. It's like, really like. Are you kidding me? Even if it's never seen the episode of American dad where Roger uses a practice Jenga set to try a move and then goes to the real one and they're like, wait, what the fuck was that?
00:19:39
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, it's a practice one. i I called the, I called the company. They say it's not in the spirit, but it's actually not.
00:19:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:44
Jarrod Dyke
It's actually not in the rules. It's like, really?
00:19:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:47
Jarrod Dyke
You fucking morons. That's what you're going to go with. You gotta go with Roger Smith's fucking interpretation of the rules.
00:19:50
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:19:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no, it's it's so stupid.
00:19:52
Jarrod Dyke
You ass buckets. Like.
00:19:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um It's like Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:19:58
Jarrod Dyke
They're saying, they're saying, oh, they're, they're going to allow for, um, a bigger roster this year.
00:20:04
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like it's like Pirates of the Caribbean. Like, there are more guidelines than rules.
00:20:06
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:20:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, because who's going to go to that game?
00:20:09
Jarrod Dyke
but Didn't know we were fucking pirates over here. And it's just, it's another thing where they're shooting themselves in the foot over over and over again. You know, it's um for us, it's on a Tuesday where there's a ton of clubs that train that night.
00:20:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, is it?
00:20:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, that's the other thing is, is now all the, all the rugby people are generally pretty busy on Tuesday nights.
00:20:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, like yes, some clubs train Wednesdays. i My high school trains every night, so I'm SOL.
00:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, my, yeah, my college is Monday and Wednesday, but like, I yell at them all the time, not them, um but the, the administration. Um, the club sports people, I tell them all the time.
00:20:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm like, it needs to be Tuesday, Thursday, because like we don't play Friday and either way, if we do, I can lighten up Thursday. But like, there's nothing you can do on a Monday after a game.
00:20:56
Grumpy Old Prop
There's literally nothing.
00:20:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you're everyone's still fucking hammered.
00:20:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, like nothing contact. I'm not doing contact on Monday and sometimes we play Sunday.
00:21:01
Jarrod Dyke
No, your hammer to shit.
00:21:05
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, what are we doing on Monday after a game?
00:21:06
Jarrod Dyke
That's true. That is true.
00:21:08
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, it's not safe.
00:21:10
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, I'm making stupid moves over and over again.
00:21:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:14
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, just hoping that it works for the bike. And apparently this is like a money. It sounds like this is a money grab.
00:21:15
Grumpy Old Prop
and talk about like a tuesday
00:21:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:22
Jarrod Dyke
think I mean, no money to grab guys. It's going to be so poorly attended.
00:21:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:25
Jarrod Dyke
Like even a club like the free jacks, the saber cats, the the sea wolves who have some really rabid fan bases that are going to be all about the shit. They're going to be like those days.
00:21:36
Jarrod Dyke
I promise you that.
00:21:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I'm not,
Rugby's Entertainment and Strategy
00:21:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I am not going to a midweek game. I can't.
00:21:40
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not either.
00:21:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:41
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not either. I'm gonna frickin' ask for my goddamn ticket money back. Jackasses. So yes, thank you very much, Omar. You continue to just prove that you guys don't know what the fuck you're doing and someone else should be in charge.
00:21:53
Jarrod Dyke
Way to go.
00:21:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Nice. That was well done. I have a lot to follow up. um
00:22:01
Jarrod Dyke
All right, I have a feeling you're gonna do just fine.
00:22:06
Grumpy Old Prop
any Yeah, i got let's let's jump into it. um Mine are more about, like from an entertainment perspective, because I'm really trying to increase the value of rugby.
00:22:14
Jarrod Dyke
Ooh, I'm into this.
00:22:20
Grumpy Old Prop
and um both from a player's perspective and from a like a viewer perspective. So let's go, we'll start with with some club coaches that have been pissing me the fuck off.
00:22:30
Jarrod Dyke
I can think of a couple off the top of my head.
00:22:40
Grumpy Old Prop
You're probably naming both of them right now.
00:22:43
Jarrod Dyke
e
00:22:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Honestly, actually, no, no, no, no, one, absolutely one. The other one, no, he's not on my list because he he's not going to get any better. He is what he is. And he that's that there's no saving fucking Rob Baxter. I'm not there's nothing there's nothing to be mad at him about anymore. He's just a fucking idiot. Doesn't know what he's doing.
00:23:03
Jarrod Dyke
watch as we get really funny.
00:23:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:23:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it'd be whole fucking hilarious. um Like Steve Diamond is better than you. And actually, that goes for a couple of the people that I'm talking about.
00:23:12
Jarrod Dyke
It says a lot.
00:23:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Actually, Steve Diamond um to me is, oh, remember my coming to that. He might be later. um Anyway, um I'm going to talk first, Alex Anderson, dude.
00:23:31
Jarrod Dyke
Sanders.
00:23:32
Grumpy Old Prop
You get so like there's a thing in football, like let's go with college football for for say, because like those call those coaches tend to stay a little bit longer, because you need three years, although now with the transfer portal, all that shit's out the window, but at the same time.
00:23:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:23:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um Traditionally, you've had three years, because then you're your guys. And you know, in a professional kind under a professional situations, kind of about the same. How long has Anderson been at at sale now?
00:24:02
Jarrod Dyke
21. I think he took over.
00:24:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So this is his like fourth year. Um, three and a half or so.
00:24:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Three and it it's been like three and a half, but yeah.
00:24:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Either way, he's, he's out of that window.
00:24:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:24:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Now he's in the guys who he wants around there. Like guy, there weren't like, you know, they're the guys that, that, you know, if there were, I'm sure there's players who didn't want like Sam James as we saw, and we saw why he very much showed that, but why this week that was hilarious.
00:24:24
Jarrod Dyke
ah Prove to everyone. Right. Good job.
00:24:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, exactly.
00:24:27
Jarrod Dyke
okay
00:24:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like we got rid of that guy for a reason. Let's show everybody why.
00:24:30
Jarrod Dyke
We kept you, little brother, because he's okay. You, on the other hand, you suck ass.
00:24:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you are you are worse than useless um But there's just guy like this is what he wants the team to be and I I've just I'm flummoxed by it because they had such high hopes for him and He came from a system where they will beat you any way they have to anything they have to do um whether it's physical whether it's You know was champagne rugby um Whether it's it's the highball or or and slowing things down Saracens would do would would find a way to whatever they had to do to beat you Alex Anderson has plan a and that's it if finally doesn't work, you know, it's very back stress and I had higher hopes for I had I had much higher hopes for Alex Anderson than to be a Rob Baxter and um and he's Fucking it up
00:25:12
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:25:19
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:25:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um But that's all right.
00:25:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:24
Grumpy Old Prop
What's gonna happen is he'll go somewhere else and he'll have his experience and I'll be like Oh, that's what I did wrong and he'll fix it if he's smart. So um That's that's kind of how I see that um The other one this will be a little bit of a surprise to you I think um but staying within the prem I Kind of have problems with mr.
00:25:32
Jarrod Dyke
Hope so, um for his sake.
00:25:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yann van Grin Yeah, I I think he's holding that team back
00:25:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Okay. I can see that.
00:25:52
Grumpy Old Prop
with both his selections and his um playing style. And I was disappointed because in the in the finals this past year, during this year, he had his team just go physical, physical, physical, which
00:26:08
Jarrod Dyke
Remember that.
00:26:11
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not that's not gonna win many championships these days not championship games because by then everybody's sore, right? There's no there's nobody playing healthy.
00:26:19
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:26:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Everyone's playing hurt.
00:26:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:26:22
Grumpy Old Prop
So okay, you hurt me a little bit now I can survive that for 80 minutes It'll be worth it if I you know, I'll kind of catch a couple more bruises, but I'll get a nice shiny metal I'm doing it And ultimately
00:26:36
Jarrod Dyke
Right. And he got, and Obama got the red card, which didn't help.
00:26:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, Bono got the red card for it. Yep. And you lost the game. Although you've had you put up a hell of a fight. But you know what? If you put up that hell of a fight. Without the red card you win so and then this year it's been a lot of this like a lot of six twos and with it with it flanker in the and the 23 like I get it. I get it. You're South African, but like come on man like do what's right do it wins at least in you know, and that's it's it's because it's not that it's um
00:27:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not just the six two, it's that he's got like some plotter of a flanker, some some six at 23.
00:27:19
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:27:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, so when they come on, they're not bringing a different dimension to the game. It's very, again, it's a little bit in the Rob Baxter territory of, oh yeah, I'm going to bring on David Jenkins later, late in the match.
00:27:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, what, the guy who can't really run, yeah, he can hit. So he's going to be hitting sore people again. People are like, you know, they're already sore. They're going to be okay about it. You're not bringing a different dimension to the game.
00:27:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, built up that tolerance already, guys.
00:27:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Bring on somebody who can, bring on someone who can run. Cause you know what sucks in a game is when somebody fresh comes on, especially in the loose forwards and you're tired, you've already played like 60 minutes and they're just running circles around you.
00:27:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And you're just like, I can't, I can't, I can't keep up with them. It's, and that's so fucking intimidating, but they bring in someone on who's hitting and you're like, all right, cool. I got to deal with another bruiser. Fine. I can do that.
00:28:05
Grumpy Old Prop
We've been doing that. um And that's what for a fan grand spring and it's it's it's losing him games. He should be winning Right
00:28:15
Jarrod Dyke
It's not like it hasn't bit them either. That's the thing.
00:28:19
Grumpy Old Prop
that's that's the problem get better like the Bennett's on how do you how do you lose that game you did so much work to so much work and And you just piss it away like because again, they're just like all right.
00:28:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we'll get to that.
00:28:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, we're just gonna run around you and and do what we gotta do to win. So yeah, these guys, like Sanderson, you should be better, pick it the fuck up. And Ben Gran, you're making too many mistakes.
00:28:46
Jarrod Dyke
Totally. Totes.
00:28:46
Grumpy Old Prop
All right, then shifting gears to my second issue,
00:28:55
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:28:55
Grumpy Old Prop
international teams um who don't pick their best players.
00:29:00
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:29:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, if you don't pick your best players, you're not going to get the most out of your team and you're good you're to denying people of a rugby experience.
00:29:03
Jarrod Dyke
Got a few of those out there.
00:29:13
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um you know, we're going to go with with your favorite coach just to start because, it and it's you know, it started with Eddie. We've been talking about it with Eddie, too. um But like.
00:29:26
Jarrod Dyke
Are we sure he's still not in charge?
00:29:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Borthi, I know, because Bortho, it's like, why, like, look at what Don Brandt did this week. And you're going to tell me you don't want that on your roster. Look at, you know, you know, fuck either of the Willis's.
00:29:42
Grumpy Old Prop
They should be, you know, should be up there.
00:29:45
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, they can't pay Jack now because he he's, he's told anyone to fuck off.
00:29:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. right Yeah. Well, there's and there's good reason he did that. um
00:29:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:29:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, um you know, Zack Mercer, who, like, uproots his life because you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we want you in the team. And then it's like, no, we fucking don't want you in the team. It's like, well, then fuck off. I'm going back to France. Like, what are you doing to me? Like, why would you but make him move to fucking Gloucester?
00:30:10
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:30:11
Jarrod Dyke
Unless you were gonna pick
00:30:12
Grumpy Old Prop
and Unless you're going to pick him. And of course, he's having a pal. Like, you did do he did. He did a lot to for that. And you're just going to be like, no, no, no, no. I got to have me some fucking Ben Curry.
00:30:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Why? Because what there's like, right.
00:30:25
Jarrod Dyke
The clone of a guy that still doesn't do us any fucking good.
00:30:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Like either curry, give me a fucking break. yeah I would take, you know, you have to go through like 10 curries to get to um to one Mercer because at least Mercer can fucking run with the ball.
00:30:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um Didn't bent didn't curry you like break like you got to skin someone an open field and got like two meters.
00:30:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:30:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, pretty much, well yeah he had open field, didn't know what to do with it.
00:30:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And he's like, oh, he fell, didn't he?
00:30:53
Jarrod Dyke
you There was nobody in front of me, I didn't know what to do.
00:30:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it was just, some stupid it's like, yeah, it's like, what, what, what the what?
00:30:57
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:31:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you have so much talent, and you can't do anything with ball in hand, and that's the guy you're gonna pick? Like, if that was Zach Mercer, that's a try. If that was a Willis, that's a try. Like, you're depriving yourself of wins, too, because you're picking lesser quality guys.
00:31:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:31:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, fucking, Henry Slade doesn't do shit.
00:31:21
Jarrod Dyke
but but
00:31:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm sorry and that extra defense is terrible. Yeah, you gotta break that out or cut that out but like but Besides the point if you don't play your best players if you put in, you know inferior talent out there You're gonna and it's not about who's in for I mean some of it's about who's informed but some of it's about But that then have them ready like look at you know, well, we'll get to it later.
00:31:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm not gonna go there um Like you get them we want the most out of your team. You can't do that with inferior talent.
00:31:50
Jarrod Dyke
Mhm.
00:31:52
Grumpy Old Prop
I There's guys who can lead who were able to do it.
00:31:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:31:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um you know, the same was kind of going for Australia there for a bit there for kind of fixing that, which is excellent to see, like a lot of teams are fixing it.
00:31:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mhm. Mhm.
00:32:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, razor was a problem with that. I'm sorry, Sam Cain, again, He <unk>s he's not even ah a curry at this point and and it's just been frustrating like yeah, I'm glad he played really well in his final match That's that's excellent.
00:32:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm happy for him because he's he's been a great player ah but not since that injury and The neck injury and you kind of have to acknowledge that if you're not, you know, there's like a
00:32:23
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:32:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Saying in the NFL because once the salary cap came in it was like we can't pay for past performance we can only pay for what you think you're gonna give us in this deal and That's kind of how we have to look at these teams.
00:32:43
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like it doesn't matter what they did in the past It's what what what are they capable of doing now?
00:32:48
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:32:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um And some of the guys just don't have it or if they ever did and it's like you got to realize that and move on and
00:32:52
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:32:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, some people never did, let's be honest.
00:32:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah.
00:32:58
Jarrod Dyke
Well,
Rugby Player and Coach Critiques
00:32:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah.
00:32:59
Jarrod Dyke
let's be honest.
00:33:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Razor gets a pass cause I think he's fixing it, but at the same time that was, it was poor, especially like there were a couple other guys, like a couple of loose forwards and, and Damien McKenzie, like, come on, man, you're smarter than that.
00:33:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:33:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think he, he figured it out, but I think he maybe had to try. I think he was kind of forced into it. And then hopefully he's learned that lesson.
00:33:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, no, once you free,
00:33:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Damien McKenzie is not a 10.
00:33:21
Jarrod Dyke
He definitely figured out Barrett's his best 10.
00:33:23
Jarrod Dyke
I don't think that's andll think there's a question about that.
00:33:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:25
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. Feet to strength.
00:33:27
Jarrod Dyke
Reach to strength.
00:33:30
Jarrod Dyke
oh Stretch for this real quick.
00:33:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Couple of deep breaths will help too.
00:33:39
Jarrod Dyke
That's tight. That's tight. Okay.
00:33:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Deep breaths. Calm your system down.
00:33:49
Jarrod Dyke
Willie LaRue.
00:33:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck.
00:33:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, follow up.
00:33:56
Jarrod Dyke
You do have, you so when when you have your game, the pass that you that you throw is usually on the dime. It's a dart almost right across across the defense, and it usually puts people in space. And you have come you have come up with some pretty sweet sweet jobs, including I think it was one of the kicks up and up in Scotland this past this past fall.
00:34:22
Jarrod Dyke
So when you have your game, you are actually not poo, you are actually quite the opposite. I just wish you were to have that game more often and throughout the whole thing. That is all.
00:34:38
Grumpy Old Prop
That's good, but I've been thinking about that because he's but he's been. and So he he reminds me a lot of um a Damien McKenzie, speaking of of the devil, where it's like his highlights, if you just look at Willie LaRue's highlight reel, you're like, oh, fucking that guy, why isn't he, you know, player of the year? And it's because if you look at every other time that's not in that highlight package, it's. a
00:35:08
Jarrod Dyke
Hence my usual nickname.
00:35:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And so it's like, yeah i get I get why people like him, but ah it's like, i it's like, are you not seeing the other, you know, what, like 65 minutes of the game? Like, yeah.
00:35:24
Grumpy Old Prop
um Anywho.
00:35:28
Grumpy Old Prop
my ah in a similar vein um because we we are ah at the fantasy rugby angst at a time if you go back to our early days um really enjoyed Razzie Erasmus and it wasn't until his like yellow circles and suspension and this and oh such bullshit and the way he just was a dick the whole time like and he continues to be a dick in a lot of ways but i think it's i think he's gotten better about that which is very nice but i'm still like watching him because every so often he's a bit of a dick and a lot of the players that he gets his hands on become
00:35:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:35:51
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:36:12
Grumpy Old Prop
bits of a dick like Cameron Hannekem was really starting shit for no fucking reason. And it's like, oh yeah, you want them aggressive and getting in people's faces. But like, come on, that's not really necessary to be a good player.
00:36:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um but I like what Razzie's doing with the team because he's doing what's best for the program that is Springboks Rugby.
00:36:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Not just, I need to win this game because we are playing a an international test match, which too many coaches have that mindset rather than, you know, our goal is to win that the, who gives a shit about our world ranking?
00:36:43
Jarrod Dyke
Mmhmm. Mmhmm.
00:36:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Who gives a shit, like it's never gonna get that low anyway.
00:36:54
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:36:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um Who gives a shit about, um, like if we win this one match or you know by how much I want to get my, some certain guys' time, like Hannah come get in time visa, then obviously push it. Like, cause there's a lot of players on South Africa who are just aging out of the program. It happens. It sucks.
00:37:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I've been through it. it happened But you have to prepare the team for when that happens. um Any football team I've played on, I haven't seen it so much in in rugby.
00:37:31
Grumpy Old Prop
like We would be doing practice, and you know a you know ones versus ones. And they'd be like, all right, so-and-so coming out. You're you're injured for for free plays. We've got to put someone else in there. Here's the strategy to fix it.
00:37:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Here's what we're putting in.
00:37:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:37:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And we're doing that. We're going to practice with that. practice doing that. Like you have to get that kind of thing in because now no you can't have everybody play every game all the time. You need to be able to practice with these guys. And so helpful, so much better than, oh, we're going to put Lawrence and Slade out there every time. Well, there's nothing wrong with putting Lawrence out there every time. Maybe mix in guys other than that, like, you know, um, Bortho and some, even that goes for some other programs, although I'd like that Scotland is mixing everybody in and that's really been huge for them too.
00:38:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Gregor's doing a great job there.
00:38:17
Jarrod Dyke
you top
00:38:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, but Razzie's been doing that. and And if you don't, if you really don't like seeing the spring box.
00:38:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:38:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. So it'll be eight by the time we get to Australia.
00:38:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Celebrating every fucking day that, oh, we're still world champions after, you know, but six years, five years, old yeah or so.
00:38:33
Jarrod Dyke
yep
00:38:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, well, get used to it because he's going to keep them going.
00:38:40
Jarrod Dyke
itll itll be eight by the time we get to australia so
00:38:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:45
Grumpy Old Prop
But he's a cunt.
00:38:49
Jarrod Dyke
not None of that's wrong. None of that is wrong.
00:38:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And I almost say that with respect now,
Podcast Engagement and Social Media
00:38:55
Grumpy Old Prop
like like the because you got to hand it to him. He's great he's he's doing great for rugby. he's i Because i I think it's been better about you know softening that like real shitty attitude.
00:39:06
Grumpy Old Prop
so But he's still appealing to like you know those same people who love that shit, still love him for it. And it's like, that's the problem.
00:39:15
Jarrod Dyke
Can you stop, please?
00:39:16
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the problem. That persists.
00:39:19
Jarrod Dyke
Could you please stop it, sir?
00:39:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho.
00:39:24
Grumpy Old Prop
That was our Festivus celebration.
00:39:24
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. That is the Festivus.
00:39:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Thank you for joining us on that journey. If you have some, um, you know, if you would like to contribute your own, um, your own Festivus, um, uh, fantasy rugby podcast at gmail dot.com and, uh, or ah find us on the the blue skies or, um, or other, I think we have discord that we have, we've got a whole bunch of social medias.
00:39:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:39:49
Jarrod Dyke
Discord and we have we have stuff on meta too. So All the all the places anyway, um yeah, we're pretty much every place except the bad place um train Train wreck over there.
00:39:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Find us.
00:39:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, all the places. You can find us.
00:40:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm still on the bad place because I can't get enough of Festivus, the airing of grievances, so but that's all that is.
00:40:11
Jarrod Dyke
I just watching the fucking that car accident and over and over again over there Might as well go watch Kardashians if we're honest, but you know
00:40:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, pretty much. That's that's what I do there. Yeah, i'm barely I don't think I'm talking rugby there. I think I'm removed. All my rugby conversations on Blue Skies.
00:40:22
Jarrod Dyke
There you At least you least you've managed to get around that.
00:40:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm fucking with whatever.
00:40:26
Jarrod Dyke
um Real quick, we'll touch on PWR Game of the Week and then we'll get into Champions Cup. You know, I this and Loughborough really deserved a lot more than they got out of this game.
00:40:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:40:40
Jarrod Dyke
And I kind of feel bad. And it's like, the they definitely should have got another point. and And I know Quinn's got one late to kind of make it just look a little bit uglier, but they,
00:40:49
Grumpy Old Prop
No, left row scored late. I thought.
00:40:52
Jarrod Dyke
No, Loporo had 22 right up to the end.
00:40:53
Grumpy Old Prop
oh No, they did this word this that's right the hour couldn't scored at after the after it was read jeez Yeah Yeah Could you imagine that it's it's possible
00:40:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Kelter is a defense's absolute nightmare. She was making life hard on everyone on both sides of the ball. She really was, I was like, fuck, all right, I'm glad she's ours. Because I would not want to play that.
00:41:23
Grumpy Old Prop
that next year, the center combination for the Eagles could be Olive Kelter and Alona Marr.
00:41:31
Jarrod Dyke
be pretty awesome, in my opinion. My humble opinion.
00:41:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Not, yeah, that would, anywho, the Quinn's also played in this match and were quite good.
00:41:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:41:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah Yeah, to say the least.
00:41:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm just moving on from, a little transition away from that.
00:41:47
Jarrod Dyke
To say the least.
00:41:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:41:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Jade Conkle is ah such a hoose. The best JKR ever.
00:41:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. She's, um, Yeah. And she's, you know, and I, I noticed like she's definitely a really good leader by example too.
00:42:08
Jarrod Dyke
And I, I respect the shit out of that because, you know, I've, I've seen, I've seen my fair share of captains in different sports and, you know, really usually respected the ones that just went through their process and, and, and spoke calmly to the, to their teammates about what needed to be done.
00:42:08
Grumpy Old Prop
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00:42:24
Jarrod Dyke
And, and, you know, we'll, we'll get to some captaincy stuff a little bit later on as well. ah So I really love the way she carries herself and and the way she leads because she's yeah, I mean, she's she's doing the work and she's also like, you know, come on, guys, like, please get on my back if we need to. I don't care. I will do it. But like we We need to have this, you know, XYZ happen.
00:42:46
Jarrod Dyke
Otherwise it we're not going to go anywhere. It's, it's a good Quinn's team. That's definitely come around and gun around the corner. And they were not good last year. I think most people will admit that this is now a team that you don't want to play, especially that back row, though.
00:42:59
Jarrod Dyke
We'll see if Nicole with is ah healthy.
00:43:01
Grumpy Old Prop
mean
00:43:01
Jarrod Dyke
It looks like she did her shoulder in some fashion cause that did not look awesome.
00:43:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No, it didn't. um I mean, this is a team that was playing Shawna Brown at eight last year for most of the year.
00:43:10
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:43:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And I don't think Al Cal was there either, like that they have done significant improvement, especially among the forwards. And um that's massively paying off.
00:43:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:43:23
Jarrod Dyke
And they got killed on back because she took a sabbatical plate to play seven. So no, not at all.
00:43:27
Grumpy Old Prop
and She's OK. It's not like she's a world player of the year or anything.
00:43:33
Jarrod Dyke
Not at all. So yeah, it was um but not that not that.
00:43:36
Grumpy Old Prop
that would be something then that would be okay that's a big ad but you know she's not that so nothing to talk about
00:43:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was and I thought I think unfortunately for the lightning, like they're going to be a one-trick pony for a bit.
00:43:54
Jarrod Dyke
They need to give the ball to like, to Kelter and to like Hibber Jones and Kebaya. Like those are the runners right now. Maybe a little bit of, um, I saw ago, but like they just have a hard time going forward sometimes.
00:44:07
Jarrod Dyke
And it's, you can tell like they've gone left to right twice and barely moved a meter. It's like, guys, you got to have some punch and.
00:44:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:15
Jarrod Dyke
It can't just be cultural though. She'll be happy to do it cause she's that type of person, but it's gotta be so much more than that. And you can't just lean on penalties or anything like that. So while they, they talked up like what they wanted to play, it's what they said and what they did. We're trying to do different things, unfortunately. So I, I'm waiting for them to maybe just.
00:44:33
Jarrod Dyke
target a few players in the team and say, all right, you're a person that's going to get us forward. And it needs to be at least four or five people. It can't be two because then those two break and that's not awesome either. So hopefully better things for Loughborough than not just beating up on Lester and sale, because that's who everyone beats up on.
00:44:56
Jarrod Dyke
All right. So we got the Champions Cup. My notes say round one, it's round two, my bad.
00:45:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah close enough you're one-off
00:45:09
Jarrod Dyke
We'll try and keep, we'll try and keep this pretty tight. um Don't need to go too deep into sale rousing, rousing our shit.
00:45:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. That was yeah, they were
00:45:19
Jarrod Dyke
No, they were not good. Robuck with the the heads up play to eventually put Carpenter away, but like, that's it. And Ben Curry was borderline dirty in this game.
00:45:31
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah he was not in a good way No No, I feel like there was a lot of that that this was like this is a shitty week on a lot of levels um
00:45:31
Jarrod Dyke
has to be said and was not well controlled by the budy official, I will say that.
00:45:38
Jarrod Dyke
So, but...
00:45:43
Jarrod Dyke
There were a lot of officials that weren't doing their job.
00:45:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:47
Jarrod Dyke
There was some that did, but I mean, it's Kirk Evans.
00:45:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Some did.
00:45:50
Jarrod Dyke
Kirk Evans is a fucking idiot, so.
00:45:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:53
Jarrod Dyke
um And then Cast Monster wasn't pretty.
00:45:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Not even a little bit.
00:45:58
Jarrod Dyke
and was not even it wasn't even it was definitely a just blah ending. I mean, the ending was befit, honestly.
00:46:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:46:06
Jarrod Dyke
Jack Crowley youre missing touch and just having Castor Hammond into the stands.
00:46:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like.
00:46:10
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, well, that kind of sums this game up right there for both teams, especially Munster. I was like, okay, let's just, if I'm Munster, I'm just like, let's just forget this game ever happened, honestly.
00:46:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that they should have won and pooped it away.
00:46:26
Jarrod Dyke
I gotta believe that they, They're probably regretting some of their starters. Like I think Aaron should have been in this game from the get go.
00:46:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:46:34
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know. Like you got him in the team. You might as well. Why don't you fucking start them?
00:46:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, and you've done you like your. The next match um Will be like huge about it because that's really what champions Cup rugby should be this one It's like if you're gonna play the match play the fucking match Like let's go like try, you know try to win don't just put out a mutt team because what happens if you do all that work and You almost win like they did Like, wouldn't you have rather been like a little bit more aggressive there?
00:47:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, what, what are you, what are you going to lose out on? Um, because of it. And plus like, put on a show it's Europe. Like that's, you shouldn't be okay with losing a, um, you know, pool, pool match just because, Oh, we'll, we'll move on anyway.
00:47:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I fucking hate that mindset. That's killing this competition.
00:47:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep Yep, no Yeah, Jack O'Donohue sure probably should start from the get-go as well.
00:47:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:32
Jarrod Dyke
He he was pretty good when he came on.
00:47:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And same goes for that, you know, for that.
00:47:35
Jarrod Dyke
Hey, you know, and Cass, Cass didn't do anything special either. That was, the that was the stupid part.
00:47:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No.
00:47:38
Jarrod Dyke
Like, what did they do? That was good.
00:47:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh, they kept playing rugby.
00:47:42
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, that was about it.
00:47:44
Grumpy Old Prop
They didn't, they didn't just hang their heads when they were down.
00:47:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:47:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Like.
00:47:49
Jarrod Dyke
Still just like blah, blah, blah, blah. So I say that. ah Let's go to Saturday morning, shall we? Saturday morning here, noon time for most of you over around the world, um or at least over in Europe and UK.
00:48:07
Jarrod Dyke
Wow Northampton just wow That is awesome like who says the English teams can't fucking hang like When they want to they absolutely fucking can
00:48:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, like showed, yeah. And that was like, that was not a, ah you know, partial noise Bulls team. Like since this is, again, this is what champions cup rugby should be, is, okay, we're going against the best in Europe. Some of, in this case, like some of the best in the world, you know, there's really only a couple of teams that, that really, you know, that in the whole of professional rugby,
00:48:48
Grumpy Old Prop
that really deserve a spot in this that aren't in it. um Like put on a show, be like, yeah, we're one of the best, you know, even in, again, even in pool play, be like, yeah, instead of being comfortable losing, going to South Africa, you know, a sane club would be like, yeah, okay, we're gonna South Africa, like, let's, let's rest.
00:48:55
Jarrod Dyke
Mmhmm.
00:49:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Alex Mitchell, he just came back from injury and, and Finn, yeah, take it easy. you you You're just playing some internationals too. We won't make you travel all this way. and then travel all the way back and play Saracens.
00:49:21
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, no. They're like, yeah, because they're coming back to play Saracens in the in the prem.
00:49:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's not really a gift that I would be all excited about if I was them, but.
00:49:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, that's that could determine final standings in that, you know, in a couple of months. But no, they're like, we're going to go. We're going to show up. We're going to attack these bulls and fuck that they attacked.
00:49:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Great. Their defense was outstanding. um
00:49:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:49:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And this was ah such a great game such a spectacle for the sport that that we need to see a lot more of at every level And 50 points hell yeah, like there was not it was not boring it was just not like an arm wrestle although it kind of was
00:49:53
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:50:02
Jarrod Dyke
I think the Bulls tried to turn it into such as a little bit, especially at set piece time. They were kicking the shit out of me and a Yogan poor kid.
00:50:09
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah they were
00:50:11
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, he's got...
00:50:12
Grumpy Old Prop
But it wasn't just like, you know, it it wasn't an exit or get, you know, they weren't just smashing into each other. They were like trying to, to rugby each other.
00:50:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they were playing rugby.
00:50:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yogan was going against local low. That's not a small task by any means whatsoever.
00:50:27
Grumpy Old Prop
First time like, yeah, not good.
00:50:30
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, if you haven't done that yet, especially at altitude, like that's the other thing at altitude, like, you know, no problem.
00:50:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
00:50:37
Jarrod Dyke
There's just like, yeah, altitude, not a thing. Who cares?
00:50:39
Jarrod Dyke
I'm like, damn, like, so yeah, super impressed by the way Northampton played. Um, good on them.
00:50:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Surprised truck was so you know scoring tries.
00:50:46
Jarrod Dyke
Uh,
00:50:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow. He must have had I don't know what his motivation might have been
00:50:53
Jarrod Dyke
you know, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. He wants to, he obviously wants to play in that green Jersey. So.
00:51:02
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, Ulster Bordeaux. I feel bad for Ulster in a little bit because they did play really well for good portions of this game. They got nothing out of that. Couldn't even get that fourth bonus point try. It's like, guys, come on. You gotta be able to just muscle it over somehow. Get that bonus point in there. So you're not sitting on a complete donut after the first two rounds. And they couldn't. And I mean, the fricking good team.
00:51:30
Jarrod Dyke
And as, as you stated before, like Bordeaux were just playing with their food before.
00:51:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah Yeah, and you know
00:51:38
Jarrod Dyke
I think that this was the real Bordeaux until they decide that they wanted to play.
00:51:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And boy did they second half. Holy shit. 26 second half points.
00:51:48
Jarrod Dyke
It's twice they've done that now.
00:51:49
Grumpy Old Prop
to Yeah. 26. Nothing. They won the second half.
00:51:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yikes.
00:51:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I feel like Ulster are being tracked down a little bit by Werner Kock. I know he scored this game, but yeah.
00:52:02
Grumpy Old Prop
You had a couple of fuckups too. I think you should have had another one and and fucked it up.
00:52:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I think you did too.
00:52:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah.
00:52:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:12
Jarrod Dyke
And there's some, some damn good players are playing for ulcer and another, I know they're missing a couple of guys.
00:52:15
Grumpy Old Prop
There are that's it was a.
00:52:17
Jarrod Dyke
I thought the date, I thought Dave Shanahan did really well. I liked Nathan Doke a lot and I thought Dave Shanahan did a really good job coming in for him. So. like pick the pace up and to start to drive the boys on a little bit more, which they needed it at the time.
00:52:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:32
Jarrod Dyke
But all for not.
00:52:35
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:52:35
Jarrod Dyke
And that's because Bordeaux have guys like Pernod and DuBortier and Bialbier and Russier and even the nine, 10 combinations. And so bad, like, yep, to top of who got the player of the match, like, yep.
00:52:51
Jarrod Dyke
I didn't realize Locky Swinton was playing until he came off.
00:52:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:56
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, oh, you didn't do a card, but also you didn't do shit. But hey, I guess that's net positive for you.
00:52:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. that He didn't do my son's name any harm today.
00:53:02
Jarrod Dyke
Didn't get a red. Stupid.
00:53:06
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, fucking hell.
00:53:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Well done. Read letter day for Yeah.
00:53:09
Jarrod Dyke
Ma'am, ma'am will only be associated with that guy by name only, and that is it.
00:53:16
Jarrod Dyke
Um, next window don't need to spend a ton of time on Lester sharks. Like as I suspected, sharks brought kind of a meh team. Um, some good players in it, but not enough.
00:53:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Not nearly enough.
00:53:28
Jarrod Dyke
And Lester came to play and put some of the guys that missed the game against Bordeaux back in and yep, it, uh, it showed who's the winger that just handed the try to all the asshole Collins by trying to keep it in and totally cocking it up.
00:53:29
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah.
00:53:37
Grumpy Old Prop
It a little bit. Yeah.
00:53:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck. Who was that? That was hilarious.
00:53:48
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, well, Hassel Collins will not get an easier try than that. I mean, good on him for chasing.
00:53:54
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:53:55
Jarrod Dyke
That's the one thing I'll say about it. you He chased and he chased and that's what you're supposed to do on those kicks. But damn, like just in your lap, doesn't get easier than that.
00:54:05
Jarrod Dyke
Doesn't get easier.
00:54:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Let me see when was when was this I can't remember when in the game it was that was early Yeah, all right, so it's like about 27 in because I think one of the wings came off Nope They didn't.
00:54:09
Jarrod Dyke
It was right at the end of the first half when PRD went and broke himself.
00:54:24
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. So is he I think was it was but it? Fuck y'all. I can't even pronounce the guys name y'all. Thanks Pink. Pink's a pension I'm sure there's a a way to say that that
00:54:31
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:54:35
Jarrod Dyke
look doesn't sound like you oh yeah yeah I haven't seen it I'm that this is a fellow I've not seen a whole lot of it honestly so I will figure that out mute
00:54:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah Yeah, and I was watching this game on on mute so um, I didn't catch names so Because oh that this is not that there aren't names on the back of the jerseys um for this competition because fuck that would help for people who or have have to watch games on mute because You know they have kids and
00:54:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I believe it. Yep. Uh huh.
00:55:01
Jarrod Dyke
Would help.
00:55:04
Jarrod Dyke
They have kids.
00:55:08
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, we can't just watch rugby all day on the TV.
00:55:08
Jarrod Dyke
Need to listen to other things.
00:55:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, with the kid. OK, fine. Watch Bluey.
00:55:13
Jarrod Dyke
Watch me. I wanna bet.
00:55:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll put it on the iPad. Yeah,
00:55:18
Jarrod Dyke
Do you want to bet? Because I bet you I can.
00:55:19
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I can. But you know, we've got to put Bluey on for the baby every so often.
00:55:22
Jarrod Dyke
I might regret it later, but you know.
00:55:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Uh, and then over in Dublin, not the, that, that, this game had a lot more potential than it turned out to be. And I know the weather did not help at all, but, um, and Blenster could not hit a line out to save their life.
00:55:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no.
00:55:43
Jarrod Dyke
Oh my God. They were terrible with that. I've never seen the lens of the line. I would go so sideways. Like, holy shit.
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
It was not what I had on my bingo board, certainly.
00:55:54
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Nope.
00:55:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, these are, you know, I thought McCarthy and Ryan both were just, I will McCarthy had a poop game. That's why he got pulled early.
00:56:06
Grumpy Old Prop
um Ryan was was OK, but I saw him make a few mistakes and it's like.
00:56:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:56:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there there had some shockers. um Yeah, Van Der Fleer was kind of.
00:56:14
Jarrod Dyke
Very much so.
00:56:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, he did some good things, but yeah, then he he came off and I was just.
00:56:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, I mean, the ring rose tribe was probably the best bit of rugby that we saw.
00:56:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:56:28
Jarrod Dyke
And that was it.
00:56:29
Jarrod Dyke
That was kind of like, yeah, that's, that's the end.
00:56:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:33
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:56:33
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:56:33
Jarrod Dyke
Bye.
00:56:33
Grumpy Old Prop
All right.
00:56:34
Grumpy Old Prop
We're done. We're done. Okay. Okay.
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we're done.
00:56:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Got it.
00:56:39
Jarrod Dyke
It's funny. They, they swapped, um, they swapped tight heads. Claremont, Leinster, Al Alatoa was ah with Leinster last year and
00:56:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:50
Jarrod Dyke
Slimani spent a long time with Claremont. so but but I was like, oh yeah, I didn't realize these guys basically traded tight heads.
00:56:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:56:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Hey, works.
00:56:59
Jarrod Dyke
Way to go, guys.
00:57:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:01
Jarrod Dyke
Way to go, guys. ah Yeah, but Jordy Barrett, kind of good.
00:57:08
Grumpy Old Prop
He's okay.
00:57:09
Jarrod Dyke
He's okay.
00:57:10
Grumpy Old Prop
What, what part of Ireland is he for? Oh no, that's right. This isn't the national team. I mean, it it is the national team, but it's not the national team.
00:57:17
Jarrod Dyke
Part that sees the sun, oh wait, no, that's Bundy.
00:57:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:21
Jarrod Dyke
um Next window, like, I mean, some fun stuff going on, but competitor rugby was kind of just not to be found. Like a little bit ah in Lowershell, but then Bristol got outrun because Lowershell's in Lowershell, and this is this is like, this is their competition, so they're all about it.
00:57:39
Grumpy Old Prop
ha
00:57:43
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:57:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol have had such a hard draw.
00:57:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, this this is not a cakewalk.
00:57:48
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not fair to them. We'll see. I don't know who they play next, but hopefully it's a lot easier competition because they they've earned it.
00:57:56
Jarrod Dyke
I'm trying to think off the top of my head. I think they play Benetton next.
00:58:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Benetton and then Claremont.
00:58:07
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Bristol. Oh, Bristol. Where are you? ah Where are you?
00:58:11
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Yeah, that won't be full. Oh, they need to play bad in Italy and Claremont at home.
00:58:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Benetton Claremont.
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:58:16
Jarrod Dyke
I think going to Claremont is going to be a bitch. Good luck guys. That's all I got to say. That place is not a fun place to play as bad as Benson found out last week.
00:58:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-mm.
00:58:31
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Um, yeah. So, and then Quinn's played against ah a B team, but They had fun. They were having fun.
00:58:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, Quinn's are like, we're playing this like it's a, you know, it's a championship. It's a champion's cup game. And if you want to bring that, well, okay, we're still going to make you play a champion's cup game. All the way through.
00:58:51
Jarrod Dyke
You get a hat trick and you get a hat trick, and I guess that's all there was, but still.
00:58:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Get ahead. Yeah.
00:58:57
Jarrod Dyke
Who keeps the match ball? That's always the question.
00:59:01
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but yeah, so Quinn's did their job and and they did it well. And that was, it was fun to watch. I don't care. I don't care if the storm is named a B team. It was just, that was just fun things that that were happening. And I was enjoying every second of it.
00:59:14
Grumpy Old Prop
day viewers. I didn't even see him once until he came off.
00:59:18
Jarrod Dyke
Dumbass Dave. Very, very South African pick right there.
00:59:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. What?
00:59:27
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, okay.
00:59:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he was like he's not for this game.
00:59:30
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Uh, next morning, uh, next day for, for everyone else. Um, I mean, we can talk with you to probably two games. These are probably actually three games.
00:59:40
Jarrod Dyke
The next three are probably ones we can talk at at length about quite a bit. Um, Benton and bath bath just totally threw it away. Like, uh, you got to, I mean, yeah, like you said, bank around, like you got to pull that, pull that one together and get it out of there.
00:59:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's gotta be a double.
00:59:57
Jarrod Dyke
Somehow you have to get it done.
00:59:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It's gotta be a dub Like why did he come off
00:59:59
Jarrod Dyke
You have to get it done. Um, Bayless was outstanding for bath, including the tri score, but like the dude was everywhere. Every time I looked at, every time I looked at this game, there's Josh Bayless.
01:00:11
Jarrod Dyke
I'm like, Oh my God, this guy must be having a worldie. And if they had won, he would probably win player of the match because the dude was, I don't know.
01:00:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's the thing, like Bayless can play 80 here. Miles Reek obviously played 80 here. Ethan Stadden doesn't need to play 80. So, okay, put Ted Hill in for him. He's fast enough. He can get it done.
01:00:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Why do you have, what does, what does Coatesia add to this?
01:00:31
Jarrod Dyke
Tetel's very fast.
01:00:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, why is he coming in?
01:00:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I know they like him, but that's not, that shouldn't be, ah because we like him, isn't the reason to to include him rather than another replacement back so that you can, you know, when they, they switch off,
01:00:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, like, well, rhino Smith was ridiculous.
01:00:55
Jarrod Dyke
He was good.
01:00:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you bring in Jacob Umaga, who's a totally different style.
01:00:56
Jarrod Dyke
He was really good.
01:01:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, going back to that.
01:01:01
Jarrod Dyke
Well, they kept, they kept to Amaga and Alberna's on it together.
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, which was delicious.
01:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
So they had two just good distributors.
01:01:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And that helped them score a try at the end.
01:01:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Worked well.
01:01:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so maybe have a think on that.
01:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, rather than giving up the try, because you have a plotter on when the other team wants to run, like have a thought.
01:01:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Bath gave them a lot of chances too. They kept, you know, kind of holding it up and keeping, and keeping them out. And then, but they kept giving them too many chances at the same time. You know, when to toss scores, you got to hope that that's that like, you can either move on from there and, you know, go to the next try and the next try, or you're, yeah, you got to at least be able to hang on once you get that lead plan simple.
01:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
And to Paris, um,
01:01:54
Jarrod Dyke
Like Mackle was about to get a red card no matter what. Like he, he basically, I don't know if the law says that you, I don' i don't know if he, I don't know if the law says you can get two yellows for the same passage, but he was going to at the minimum because he had tripped, um, Ben sail.
01:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
He was like, I'm done playing rugby. he I'm done.
01:02:13
Jarrod Dyke
And then he decided on top of that, I'm just going to hit you in the face with my arm. It's like, Oh, you dumb shit.
01:02:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Swing an arm, like over this, like so. The fans is on the deck, which means you can't just come and smack him anyway. And he comes in and just ron throws the swinging arm like right at his head.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Like there's no, there's nothing to be done there.
01:02:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:34
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no like, Oh, well he was missing. No, he did it intentionally.
01:02:37
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:02:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's what he was doing, trying to do. And it's like, and yeah, but so here's, it here's what what gets me about, um, about rugby these days.
01:02:42
Jarrod Dyke
Even, even my wife was like red mist. I was just like, yep, red mist.
01:02:53
Grumpy Old Prop
is that you have the technology, you should be watching as much as you can, or at least be aware, like you have the ah availability. Like if I am going to watch two two teams play,
01:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
so let's say, or ref, so they're not even watch. I'm gonna ref, right? If I'm Holly Davidson here, and I'm like, okay, i'm I have Saracens, what do I know about Saracens? They're good, but they do get talky at the ref when they don't like what's going on.
01:03:22
Jarrod Dyke
um So I'll say one thing about that and
01:03:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:03:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, they've been a lot better about that lately.
01:03:27
Jarrod Dyke
So with that, and I know there is zero disrespect to Owen Farrell here, but I got to believe that referees both in Europe and in the prem are very excited to have Maro to talk to, who will come at you very calm, cool and collected more often than not.
01:03:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:03:41
Jarrod Dyke
And if he's, if he's coming at you upset, he's genuinely upset for a damn good reason.
01:03:47
Jarrod Dyke
He's not just, you know, getting antsy and getting pissy because we know Faz had his time.
01:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:03:50
Grumpy Old Prop
That was a knock-on, you motherfuckers! Like, no, okay, dude.
01:03:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we we know he had his moments where he did that and not necessary, but he's also passionate.
01:03:54
Grumpy Old Prop
like
01:03:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh no, I was talking about Feral.
01:03:58
Jarrod Dyke
So it comes with it.
01:03:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I
01:04:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. No, I agree. No, like Farrell had those moments.
01:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
But because Owen Farrell is so passionate and because he you know wants to drive his team to high standards and demands high standards of everyone, that's what brought that about. Was it right? No, but that's just what it bar brought about.
01:04:06
Grumpy Old Prop
he
01:04:17
Jarrod Dyke
Mauro, on the other hand, like he's going to ask you a question, but he's going to be polite about it.
01:04:22
Grumpy Old Prop
he
01:04:22
Jarrod Dyke
I was just like, you know you know you think do you think this? Do you think that? you know He's gonna he's got to be very um straightforward with you, but he's also not gonna yell at you. So I gotta believe that most referees are into this.
01:04:36
Jarrod Dyke
i just you know i found I found Holly Davidson to be a little weak, honestly.
01:04:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, also the, vo yeah the Well, the Voodoo Poles were big on that too, and they're gone.
01:04:42
Jarrod Dyke
And that really disappointed me because I know she's not that. but Yeah, Macklemon and Billy were both really bad about that, that's for sure.
01:04:49
Grumpy Old Prop
But, but, but either way then, look at the cross the way. You have Stade Francais, what did, what did, what did they do last week? What did they do that get out the referee's attention? anything interesting, a couple of reds.
01:04:58
Jarrod Dyke
A couple reds.
01:05:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, so you know have you ever seen yeah like in shot? There's one point before a game, the referee's looking over at the Hansen brothers and like they're already bleeding and and and everything from a a pregame fight.
01:05:07
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:05:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And looking back looking up looking up at them and skates over them was like, I'm not dealing with any of your shit today. Like any motherfucker step out of line. I'm gonna fucking run you and they stop and go listen to listen to the fucking song because it's the national anthem. But like, that's the point like you know what you're in for when when the Hanson brothers only like stab froncet you saw what they were about last week. That should be right up front.
01:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
That should have been in at the coin toss. like I saw that shit last week. I see anything approaching that. We'll starting to start sorting it out, because I will not let that happen. And obviously, that was not done.
01:05:50
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um And that's that's a criticism of of of Holly, yes. But it's not just her. It's not it's a criticism of the system. that That really does need to be driven from, um you know especially from Europe, like be like, hey, we want this to be a good competition.
01:06:10
Grumpy Old Prop
like The referee
Game Management and Player Decisions
01:06:12
Grumpy Old Prop
should want that, or the the the the competitions should want that, whether it's the World Cup, whether it's um the Prem um or or other domestic competitions, they should know you know who's got a reputation and who's doing what.
01:06:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep.
01:06:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And Staj just got away with so much, and I think that's what McElhoo did. He was just like, well, fuck it. That's what we're, you know, I'm gonna see if, i I'm gonna go way past the limit and see what happens, and okay. And they had to set something in place, but it's like, it shouldn't come to that.
01:06:38
Grumpy Old Prop
There should have been car. I thought there should have been cards before then. And certainly talking to before then, um, that didn't happen. And it's like, when, as soon as it saw it happen, I was like, okay, he's just had enough.
01:06:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, how often it was probably lucky to not be
01:06:48
Grumpy Old Prop
He's done. He's like, I'm i'm out of, like you said red missed, but it was like, there's ways referees can stop that from happening.
01:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. How often it was probably lucky that he didn't walk.
01:06:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
Um, how piss for Stad though, when the Theo, Theo left and I'm like, no, don't bring Theo off.
01:07:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
And then sadly the secret gets himself knocked out for tackle technique and putting himself in the wrong place.
01:07:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that was not smart.
01:07:17
Jarrod Dyke
And it's an HIA, so they can bring on whoever they want. And on comes the O again. It's like, ooh, I'd be pissed if I was them.
01:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:25
Jarrod Dyke
He's so mad.
01:07:26
Grumpy Old Prop
So ultimately, it was it was a Zeke way for um for one marching.
01:07:32
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. In the end. In the end.
01:07:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:35
Jarrod Dyke
And yeah, like, you know what? Four points in Europe on the road. I'm running with it. i'm I'm happy.
01:07:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
01:07:42
Jarrod Dyke
I'm happy with the way the play was played for the most part where there should be times. Absolutely. They did not play their best at moments and had some really stupid decisions and just didn't do the things they probably should have done the whole time.
01:07:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
01:07:55
Jarrod Dyke
But I'm um'm overall very happy with it. Like this is what we used to do. You know, we can put, we could put put together a performance for shit last year on the road. Didn't matter where we were.
01:08:08
Jarrod Dyke
So.
01:08:08
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's also funny, one of the texts I sent you after the game was, or no, this was Sunday.
01:08:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I was like, or no, maybe it was even yesterday.
01:08:15
Jarrod Dyke
yeah more sunday di
01:08:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I was like, wait, Joe Martian played in that game.
01:08:20
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:08:21
Grumpy Old Prop
He was like, he was the 13.
01:08:22
Jarrod Dyke
I saw him afterwards.
01:08:22
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, Oh, that's right. I forgot he was on this team.
01:08:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I totally forgot that too.
01:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I'm today minutes old. Um, when it just kind of entered my like consciousness that it was, that was Brad Weber. Like I heard him talk about it.
01:08:36
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't quite on mute. I knew it was Brad Weber from like, uh, like a conceptual percent perspective, but like, it wasn't until just now that I'm like, fuck that was, that was the Brad Weber.
01:08:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. That was that Weber. Like he was not i disappointing.
01:08:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Boys did well. Boys did well for the most part.
01:08:56
Jarrod Dyke
So, um, first 10 minutes I spit the bit for sure. The, but they, but they responded and really that's the best you can ask for sometimes.
01:08:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:09:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, a little too much going for three, but that's.
01:09:04
Jarrod Dyke
So run, run away with four points from that comp.
01:09:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And that kind of cut other other, right. Exactly. That's the thing. It should have, this should have been a five point win, but at the same time.
01:09:15
Jarrod Dyke
Not, not complaining at the same time.
01:09:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's enough. I think that almost clinches them moving on. So I don't know what this, I don't know what the, nine, nine points.
01:09:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. One, one tough task in front of them.
01:09:29
Grumpy Old Prop
You're probably doing okay. Or at least year and you're certainly in in fantastic position to to be to be okay.
01:09:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:09:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:09:37
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and then we talked about it impressive from Glasgow in so many ways and yet too bad they didn't come out on the right side of this, but to long just had tiny bit too much firepower in the end.
01:09:40
Grumpy Old Prop
What a match.
01:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:09:49
Jarrod Dyke
Um, But damn, you know that i yeah I'm extremely impressed. And they started dunking me.
01:09:56
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, all right, this will be interesting. But you know with the guys, like they wanted to just be like, all right, keep us in this motherfucker for just a little bit. And then we'll send the cavalry on.
01:09:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:10:07
Jarrod Dyke
And they did. And it worked out well. I wish they had maybe left. Couple of guys at home, like I don't think we needed another loose loose forward that does, that did Jack all, Angus Fraser.
01:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:10:22
Jarrod Dyke
um Probably could have done with another back, like Hugh Jones, maybe, just chucking that that idea out there.
01:10:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe that could have been helpful.
01:10:30
Jarrod Dyke
I know, I know, I like staff, like i I thought he did a pretty damn good, but there were guy other guys out there, I think conciliaries is on this team somewhere could have been useful as well.
01:10:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:10:42
Jarrod Dyke
One of those guys.
01:10:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:10:44
Jarrod Dyke
But, uh, you know, yeah, too long. Mighty one are always tough to play at Felix may also give him, give classical loads of credit for, you know, just fronting up and saying, all right, we're coming out of this with two points.
01:10:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Of course.
01:11:01
Jarrod Dyke
And anytime you come out to come out of that place with two points, it's not a win, but fricking pat yourselves on the back just a bit guys. Cause that's tough.
01:11:11
Grumpy Old Prop
but they're they're backing up. Last year, they they had, obviously, obviously, they they won URC.
01:11:17
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:11:19
Grumpy Old Prop
like They had a great year. A lot of teams like that sometimes, kind of it's a one and done, but therere they're growing, if anything. like this is a It's just a massive effort on their part and and what a great game they played.
01:11:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:11:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:11:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And this is a you know the team that's,
01:11:38
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, built to win Europe, um, that they're playing against at home, but you know, on the road and they're showing up and be like, yeah, okay, we'll, we'll hang with you.
01:11:41
Jarrod Dyke
I'm liking a lot of what Franco Smith's doing.
01:11:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep Yeah, so yeah, I see them getting a home tops around 16 game for sure maybe a home quarter We
01:11:47
Grumpy Old Prop
That's massive.
01:11:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:12:00
Jarrod Dyke
don't need to talk about this next one a lot honestly it there was it was so shit in so many ways, but at the same time it was beautiful I was like Good. You're getting your ass to stomp because you deserve it.
01:12:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, no.
01:12:12
Jarrod Dyke
But, and Toulouse played, Toulouse, excuse me, Toulouse, geez, everyone in fricking France would shoot me. Toulouse would, played some beautiful stuff. And obviously the fricking guy, the fellow wearing nine for them is pretty fucking good.
01:12:27
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, a lot of other guys showed up too.
01:12:28
Grumpy Old Prop
okay.
01:12:30
Jarrod Dyke
Like one thing I saw, I was noticing, you know, he didn't have a big impact in terms of meters, meters made or like line breaks, but. Chuck about as is not a big boy, but every time he runs that, that line, it's straight.
01:12:45
Jarrod Dyke
It's hard. And it's annoying to stop. Like I was like, that does not look like anything I want to get in the way of like, and he, like I said, he's not a big boy. He's a, he's a well built man. Obviously he's a fucking rugby player, but like, no,
01:12:56
Grumpy Old Prop
He's a 12, but like he's not he's not like a Esther Hazen 12 You know
01:13:01
Jarrod Dyke
the, you know, I would, I would say his best position would probably be 13, but he is running those 12 lines. really, really well and not something I want to ever get in the way of. So, uh, impressive of him.
01:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
And then obviously the 13 through 15 is just, yeah, forget it.
01:13:18
Jarrod Dyke
Just, just forget it. And yeah, exit or shit.
01:13:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they just, add enough and they They're like shock from Yulin at seven, get the fuck out of here.
01:13:27
Jarrod Dyke
If you haven't been paying attention,
01:13:31
Jarrod Dyke
64 points away from, uh, at home.
01:13:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, totally.
01:13:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, seriously, get the fuck out of here and keep getting the fuck out of here until you're very far away from here.
01:13:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Because Yulin is, he's not even a good six anymore.
01:13:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's not like, it's not like you're going South African style because you have Ethan roots at six.
01:13:50
Jarrod Dyke
No, also a six at best.
01:13:56
Grumpy Old Prop
who is even slower than vermulin and is really more of a lock than a loose forward.
01:14:04
Jarrod Dyke
Hey, you don't want to know what what's, you don't know what a great idea is. We have one dog ship player named roots.
01:14:10
Grumpy Old Prop
That two dogshit point.
01:14:10
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go sign another one. He's equally as dog shit.
01:14:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But the other one's a prop and maybe maybe that can work out.
01:14:19
Jarrod Dyke
That's probably the only place he belongs if we're honest.
01:14:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Actually, Ethan, maybe consider it
01:14:24
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe we can put a boat there.
01:14:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Consider it.
01:14:27
Jarrod Dyke
I actually do well there.
01:14:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um But then, yeah, oh, we're going to bring in Dafa Jenkins. oh you know And actually, Greg Fisselow, I did like that call to bring him in ah for Newland, especially you're early, 48 minutes in.
01:14:41
Grumpy Old Prop
like that's But then again, you know Vincent
01:14:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:14:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I guess you could say, yeah. And fizzle out as a seven. That's reasonable, but I think fizzle out more of an eight. Like you still don't have a seven there.
01:14:55
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:14:55
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just too little semi-mobile eights.
01:15:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, Baxter, they're, they're, not they're not they're these, this, these are tiddly wings compared to fucking.
01:15:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:15:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um grande from lord of the rings nerd nerd reference there he was the um the battering around that sauron used to to knock down the walls or the the gate to the white city so um yeah anyway yeah you got jack fucking willis over there fuck off
01:15:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:15:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yep. Yep. That dude, that dude made life hard on everyone. It was funny to watch. It's like, yeah, what's up guys. I'm here and I'm gone. Bye bye.
01:15:44
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Um, some, uh, some of our, our players that in referees that did them ah did themselves, um, author a couple of names out there that didn't, um, under impressed me.
01:15:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
Um, couple of referees, the, ah the Gonecki, the Italian guy, he had a couple of rookie mistakes. I'll i'll say that, but overall pretty good Ramos from the Bulls and no tapping game.
01:16:07
Jarrod Dyke
Not bad. Um, Freddie crack, Freddie, Ollie crackle and Ollie Hassel Collins from Lester. Great. As I said, Franco Smith fan, big one for me. Hutch was very good in that, in that Northampton game. Um, the Theo squared from, uh, Saracens. Yep. Delicious. Congratulations on 50 Theo Dan. Good for you buddy. Uh, that's what I got. Ain't names you want to add.
01:16:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um No particular names, but just the Harlequins in general, Saints in general, Glasgow Warriors, just go down those those players ah from those teams.
01:16:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:16:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:16:44
Grumpy Old Prop
um Really fucking brought it.
01:16:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:16:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Uh, teams that really teams and people that really shat it, um,
01:16:55
Jarrod Dyke
Rossing. Yeah. Obviously we talked about Macklow.
01:16:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:16:59
Jarrod Dyke
um The Leinster line-out, that was just atrocious. A couple referees I thought just really spit it. Holly and Brace. Brace still sucks. Even though that game was so lopsided, he still sucks.
01:17:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Brace socks.
01:17:13
Jarrod Dyke
The Suffolk commentary in the Bulls stage game, picking Hennecom.
01:17:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:17:17
Jarrod Dyke
You had like four guys on the stage you could have picked easily. Nah, we're going to pick our guys. like
01:17:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:17:23
Jarrod Dyke
Your guys lost by nine. Shut up.
Team Performances and Predictions
01:17:25
Jarrod Dyke
but like Just deal with the fact that you lost by nine and pick one of the guys on the Saints. Deal with it.
01:17:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:17:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, if you if you're Hanukkah, you're like, why the fuck am I getting this?
01:17:30
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Okay.
01:17:32
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, he was so annoyed. You could see on his face.
01:17:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, what the fuck are my...
01:17:34
Jarrod Dyke
He's like, why the fuck am I here?
01:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:17:37
Jarrod Dyke
see You see it on his face. Anybody else to add to that list?
01:17:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so I, I, you went really quick. So, um, obviously Holly Davidson, we agreed on, um, on fran say, um, how to bet sharks, uh, monster, most of the goddamn team there, like kind of the opposite of out there themselves.
01:17:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep.
01:17:51
Jarrod Dyke
Oh yeah.
01:17:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Monster just across the porch at the bed.
01:17:54
Jarrod Dyke
Sans Hodnett who scored both.
01:17:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And then, um, Rossing 92, as you said, with the focus there on Diamani who, uh, like, yeah, I, he should have had a right.
01:18:05
Jarrod Dyke
not the guy Not the guy that we like.
01:18:11
Jarrod Dyke
that That could have been a game built for them.
01:18:13
Jarrod Dyke
And it wasn't.
01:18:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:18:15
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:18:17
Jarrod Dyke
um Coach, ref, young player.
01:18:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um Coach ah Billy Millard and Danny Wilson of the Harlequin says, you know, DOR and head coach. um Again, that's that's what this competition is.
01:18:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:18:32
Grumpy Old Prop
they I think you mentioned it pretty early on when I was like, man, this game could get out of hand. And you're like, well, at this point, quins should go for point differential. Cause it's like, yeah, they're going to need that.
01:18:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:18:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Like fine. If the other team gives you that gift, fucking run them.
01:18:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:18:47
Grumpy Old Prop
There's, it's too short a competition.
01:18:48
Jarrod Dyke
Lester did the same thing.
01:18:49
Grumpy Old Prop
So yep.
01:18:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:18:51
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely. They should do that. um I went with Dowsin. I thought, again, Saint's extremely impressive down in South Africa.
01:18:57
Grumpy Old Prop
That was yes. They were going to be number two.
01:18:59
Jarrod Dyke
That's a performance that you'll remember for a long time.
01:19:01
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah.
01:19:02
Jarrod Dyke
Well done.
01:19:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, my ref was actually Matt Carley this week.
01:19:06
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Holy shit. How about that? well All those referees to pick out. We went with that one. I was, I was mostly kind of keyed in on the whole like Sarah and moment where he's like, Hey, don't be a dickhead.
01:19:16
Jarrod Dyke
Go sit. I was like, yes, that's what needs to be done. Sometimes to those assholes, please. Thank you. That noise the hell out. I mean, I know other players on, on teams that I like do it too, but yeah, you're slowing the game down.
01:19:17
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah yeah Yeah.
01:19:29
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck off. Would you?
01:19:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right for Fuck off with that shit like he and he was you know, he was he was Stern with with the hosts to like he was not being played by the crowd Like you mentioned that you thought Holly was being a little played by you know into the crowd um No, Carly was like hey Lewis, by the way, I'm sick of your shit to get out
01:19:42
Jarrod Dyke
No. Yep.
01:19:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I remember him saying, I was like, Ooh, he remembers you buddy.
01:19:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah, like we know each other Yeah, they expect better from you young man get the Yeah, I thought I thought he kept that game um Moving really well too.
01:19:56
Jarrod Dyke
Don't worry. He hasn't forgotten who you are. Uh huh.
01:20:03
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
01:20:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It was not like a um You know, it's a one-point game and yeah Fairly high score um So it's not going to be, but I mean, you look at that, it was 13, 12 and a half.
01:20:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um So it was, you know, kind of low in the first half. So um he didn't, but it wasn't because he was slowing it down and and he kept them moving.
01:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think that helped expand the game too, because they could then um be comfortable in what he's going to call.
01:20:38
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:20:41
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, everybody kind of knew what the the ground rules were. it He'd handed out a card to both teams. So you got to know.
01:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. All right. Um, so I went, I won with the young player, um, cause Zotti from Bordeaux, he had 17 tackles on the day, 20 years old from front French, uh, French, uh, French eligible.
01:21:03
Jarrod Dyke
Not that they don't need, not that they need back row help, but ah you know, nice.
01:21:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, so so I went with with two, um George Handy of Northampton coming on for a bank breaks his arm or something.
01:21:14
Jarrod Dyke
Right. ah Shoulder.
01:21:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he broke an arm, yeah.
01:21:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I fucked it up. Good.
01:21:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And he comes in, scores a try. like no you know He's like, oh no, it's it's a rugby game. you know The moment wasn't and anywhere near too big for him, although he's had some big moments already.
01:21:29
Grumpy Old Prop
This is just another notch in his belt, massive win, massive contribution to that win.
01:21:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:21:35
Grumpy Old Prop
in a way champions cup match in South Africa, that's Yeah, you know this There's not many 22 year olds can say that um And then on the other so the other one is um honorable mention for Bautista Pernos Goni for that last-minute game winning try versus bath um He's like 20 or something he's something Stupid I believe so
01:21:44
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Could be good for, I assume, Italian italian international eligible, so.
01:22:02
Jarrod Dyke
Sure. Quesada will be looking his way.
01:22:06
Jarrod Dyke
Um, try the week.
01:22:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's a good way to you don know announce yourself.
01:22:08
Grumpy Old Prop
um Try the week was the Caden Murley try off of the, of course it was George Hammond offload.
01:22:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:22:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. I had that too.
01:22:15
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:22:16
Jarrod Dyke
It was great. Locks are fucking people too, man. Come on. Uh, shit. Uh, play the week.
01:22:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Don Britton.
01:22:28
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Nope, just showed his class.
01:22:31
Grumpy Old Prop
For multiple reasons.
01:22:32
Jarrod Dyke
And again, i don't I don't care if it was a B team against against the Stormers.
01:22:32
Grumpy Old Prop
is that Yeah.
01:22:36
Jarrod Dyke
he He did what you're supposed to do against B teams if you're a world-class player.
01:22:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:22:41
Jarrod Dyke
He showed it. So go on now.
01:22:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:22:46
Jarrod Dyke
Dick or Dicks of the Week.
01:22:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Makalu. Once again, it's a style from today, player back to back for me.
01:22:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep. There's a theme here.
01:22:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and what to but ah both for what the fuckery.
01:22:58
Jarrod Dyke
um
01:23:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, super what the fuckery. I went with the comms in the Exeter Toulouse game. They were just making the Exeter seem like they were so much better than they are. And I know they're trying to play it up because they don't want people to get bored watching this game where it's turned into a shit-out story.
01:23:15
Jarrod Dyke
But like, you also have to just know, be like, guys, we're eyeball it. We got nothing here.
01:23:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:23:19
Jarrod Dyke
This is dog shit. Don't sit there and pretend like stop pretending to Stu Townsend and in DuPont or even the same category.
01:23:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you're right.
01:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
Like, come on. Like, I know that they were having fun with the social media and stuff, but like, to even remotely carry that over just makes you a bunch of helmets. So Rob shop, shame on you, buddy.
01:23:41
Jarrod Dyke
Just be like, no, this is pretty bad, actually. Although I agree with this player, at the match pick, it was Louis Barassi. He's pretty good. All right, pick of them.
01:23:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't think some of these were difficult I gotta say.
01:23:54
Jarrod Dyke
Back to the pram.
01:23:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Gloucester Quinn's.
01:24:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I got ah quins.
01:24:03
Jarrod Dyke
Same, same like that.
01:24:05
Grumpy Old Prop
That one was difficult because I was like, oh, but but Quinn's are going to be like, let's go.
01:24:06
Jarrod Dyke
They will use this spring.
01:24:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. They'll use that as a springboard. Big time.
01:24:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's play some rugby.
01:24:13
Grumpy Old Prop
That could be like, you know, basketball players, they say shooters sometimes just need to lay up if they're cold.
01:24:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Or, you know, to admit in family game parlance, the practice girl.
01:24:20
Jarrod Dyke
That might be it right there. Yeah.
01:24:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, Gloucester going to receive that.
01:24:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I don't think, and I don't think luster did well in the challenge cup. So.
01:24:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:24:34
Jarrod Dyke
Lester Bristol.
01:24:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Laster because I just don't know if beginning is gonna be back Bath Yeah There was supposed to be a ah point about Steve Diamond in my in my feet of strength, but um He's doing a good he's doing a great job up there.
01:24:39
Jarrod Dyke
AJ, same. Yep. No, it was my thoughts too. Bethany Castle.
01:24:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. See if see if the the the the Kingston Park Hex can be broken here.
01:24:56
Jarrod Dyke
Uh huh.
01:25:02
Jarrod Dyke
That's okay.
01:25:04
Grumpy Old Prop
There it is
01:25:04
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, sale and exit air.
01:25:08
Grumpy Old Prop
sale because well i don't know if it's even because they're at home but ah certainly because they're at home that that makes it in yeah right right and i don't think yeah and i don't think that the the being the away team at sandy park i don't know if that would
01:25:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:25:15
Jarrod Dyke
That seals the deal though. They are the better team. Yeah, the better team, the only team player that would ball be ah anywhere near most other teams on exit is available. So.
01:25:35
Grumpy Old Prop
be enough, but because that's not, I don't even have to take that into consideration.
01:25:36
Jarrod Dyke
wouldn't change it for me.
01:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It's easy to sell.
01:25:39
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
01:25:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:25:41
Jarrod Dyke
series in of Hampton. Big one on Sunday.
01:25:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Saris. Because, and this is because of you, you put
01:25:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I feel good about
Closing and Fantasy Corner
01:25:48
Grumpy Old Prop
that bug in my head about, they went full noise in South Africa.
01:25:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:25:51
Grumpy Old Prop
They got to come back now and, um,
01:25:54
Jarrod Dyke
Here's the thing, if Northampton do that, that is impressive and the rest of the league needs to stand up and take notice because that's going to mean that they are coming back to form and there's going to be a lot lot of people that are going to be um in their way and they're just going to try and buzz them down.
01:25:58
Grumpy Old Prop
right. Mm-hmm.
01:26:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:26:14
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, so that's that. We went a little long because of the Festivists, but that won't happen very often. I think we've done a really good job of keeping things tight um thus far this season. but Trust me, the festival is worth it, for us at least.
01:26:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It was.
01:26:29
Jarrod Dyke
But we're going to hop over to the fantasy corner and get that that thing done real quick. If you want to join us over there, we'll see you over there. If not, um enjoy the return to the prem and the URC, my friends. We'll catch you guys in two weeks, and we'll talk to you all later.
01:26:42
Jarrod Dyke
Have a good one, everyone.
01:26:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:26:44
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.