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Season 7- Episode 11- Do They Play for South Africa? (Premiership Round 9)
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It's the fun of those American rugby knuckleheads to start your 2025 right. On this episode of TFRY we look back, with fondness, on the year that was, 2024 with recognition of our XV, Coach/DOR, Rookie and Players of The Year. Many names in common in our XVs, just not all in the same positions. Then we look back at a rather poor round of the Prem, BUT focus on The Big Game at HQ where everyone won...well not everyone. Plenty more besides this so grab a glass, kick back and enjoy fam!
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Introduction and Humor
Unique Beverages and Reviews
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Happy New Year, everyone. It is the Fancy Ruby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser. Do you want to do that again?
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Woo-hoo-hoo. No, I don't. That was great. I got it out. I got it out.
00:00:38
Grumpy Old Prop
All right.
00:00:39
Jarrod Dyke
I got it out. I was out of practice, especially since I changed the wording, but that's okay.
00:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
That's all right.
00:00:45
Jarrod Dyke
But just the same. Happy 2025, everyone. Welcome in. We missed you all. I am going to practice beautiful beverage that I found from my home state.
00:00:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Ooh. It even has the humane bear on it somewhat.
00:00:57
Jarrod Dyke
It's, I mean, it's, or no brewing. So, so, Oh, you had some left hand.
00:00:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, there you go. I'm having this this left-hand brewery, that peanut butter milk stout.
00:01:05
Jarrod Dyke
That's right.
00:01:07
Grumpy Old Prop
If you have the option to get one of these, I highly recommend it. It's it's such delicious.
00:01:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. This is literally just called let's go black bears. They did not get there.
00:01:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It's literally like a beer that's a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.
00:01:26
Jarrod Dyke
That's interesting.
00:01:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause it's almost like chocolatey.
00:01:27
Jarrod Dyke
See, like,
00:01:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And then all of a sudden you get the little bit of the peanut butter and then it goes back to like chocolate stout.
00:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
okay. See, ah one thing I find weird,
Supporting Friends and Exclusive Content
00:01:36
Jarrod Dyke
a weird flavor is the peanut butter because like, have you this have you had the screwball, the whiskey?
00:01:41
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, I yeah, I don't know that I'd do it in whiskey form, but a beer.
00:01:43
Jarrod Dyke
Not for me.
00:01:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, not not my cup of tea, for sure.
00:01:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:52
Grumpy Old Prop
I like, I like honey whiskey. I like that a little too much.
00:01:56
Jarrod Dyke
I do too. I do too. Yeah, no, it's meh, meh, meh, meh.
00:02:00
Grumpy Old Prop
too
00:02:03
Jarrod Dyke
Anyway. um Make sure that you buy our good friend George the Fantasy, where we keep a coffee or beer, especially with Six Nations around the corner.
00:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
He's gonna yeah, he is super busy I don't know if you saw his thread on on the social medias, but uh, holy crap he's all the stuff that he's he's working on is a hefty
00:02:12
Jarrod Dyke
That man is gonna be extremely busy.
00:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
I did.
00:02:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. So support that man by him, by that man of coffee.
00:02:25
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and for buying him a coffee, he he said something about
Discussion on Inmate Abuse and Social Injustice
00:02:28
Grumpy Old Prop
buying a coffee members. There's like access to something interesting coming once the, uh, the official's fantasy six nations game is up.
00:02:33
Jarrod Dyke
That's right.
00:02:36
Grumpy Old Prop
So buy him a coffee, become a member of the, of the buy me a coffee site and her club and he'll, uh, he'll hook you up with some funness.
00:02:38
Jarrod Dyke
Sweet.
00:02:42
Jarrod Dyke
Buying a coffee club and.
00:02:48
Jarrod Dyke
i Yeah, and that's a good enough reason for me. I mean, him being him is a good enough reason for me, but you know.
00:02:53
Grumpy Old Prop
and Exactly.
00:02:56
Jarrod Dyke
um Okay, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. you' You've picked something else for us special, what do we got?
00:03:06
Grumpy Old Prop
I have, so um once again, we see like just now come and see the violence inherent in the system. It feels so silly to say, both but but that's what we have.
00:03:15
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um And it's just kind of, again, across the board with our criminal justice system, where um we saw a video of an inmate at New York, I think Penitentiary, who,
00:03:31
Grumpy Old Prop
um was beaten to death by guards. He was like handcuffed and in the ah medical um center. And like the guards just beat beat him to death.
00:03:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And like the medical staff just kind of sat and watched.
00:03:47
Jarrod Dyke
Sounds like a great idea.
00:03:49
Grumpy Old Prop
They didn't intervene or do anything about it. And um like I realized that inmates have wronged society, but Their punishment is their loss of freedom not that they deserve to be beaten to death while you know and Basically incapacitated like can't fight back by guards.
00:04:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:04:09
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not That's not freedom.
00:04:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there's a difference.
00:04:12
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not well, you know, if we're supposed to be this You know a great country this is not how you treat people and um
00:04:23
Grumpy Old Prop
we just as a society year like are just downright mean to people. And of course, obviously it's... it's for Jared and I being white,
Rugby as a Metaphor for Society
00:04:33
Grumpy Old Prop
it's not us.
00:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
It's the, it's, you know, anyone who's not white, you freema at this point, anyone who's not male, and like, you're just, you could be violently assaulted by agents of the state pretty much at any moment.
00:04:38
Jarrod Dyke
People of color and anybody marginalized. Yep. Yeah.
00:04:49
Grumpy Old Prop
um And yeah, it's worse if you're in the criminal justice system, but, or you have the attention of say police.
00:04:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's not not the way, You know, that's not the way a healthy society operates. And if nothing else, I would, i like, I'm trying to appeal to people, at least their sense of, you know, humanity, which kind of falls a lot on deaf ears in this country.
00:04:55
Jarrod Dyke
Them. Yeah.
00:05:02
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:05:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But at the very least, don't you want to live in like a decent society that doesn't just kill people at will from, but again, by agents of the state? Like, that's not right.
00:05:22
Jarrod Dyke
would be nice. be nice.
00:05:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And the worst the thing is, it protects us.
00:05:25
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:05:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, right now, there's because ah you know one thing that growing up that was obviously ah ah um something that was drilled into me, even outside of my Jewish community was the the poem about, you know first they came for the communists and I was not a communist, so I didn't speak up.
00:05:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Then they came for the trade union unionists, but I was not a trade unionist, so I didn't speak up.
Rugby Year-End Highlights
00:05:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And like at the end, it's then they came for me and there's nobody to speak for me. And it's like, you let this hat, like You know, bringing this back to rugby, we talk a lot about the standard you walk past as the standard you set as coaches.
00:06:02
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, if you, if you're okay with this, that means you're okay with it happening to you. And personally, I'm not okay with it happening to me or or anyone I love.
00:06:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So um I'm not okay with it happening to anyone.
00:06:10
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, nope.
00:06:16
Grumpy Old Prop
But we yeah, so so that on top of a couple additional police murders, um not to mention the looming Islamophobia we're about to go through yet again, that's gonna be so much fun.
00:06:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:06:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I see that coming too. Yeah, I do too.
00:06:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, like we just need to fucking move past this, but the next four years are gonna be, unfortunately this segment will not be stopping anytime soon.
00:06:40
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't see that happening.
00:06:44
Jarrod Dyke
I do not. Anyhow.
00:06:46
Grumpy Old Prop
anyho
00:06:49
Jarrod Dyke
Not to dismiss that, but let's, uh, we'll get off that for for a little bit.
00:06:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho Yeah, that's true.
00:06:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's go to more Let's do less gloomy things like Saracen's performance this weekend. Oh, were not I know we're not we're not there yet.
00:06:53
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah we'll give it another week till we get back there.
00:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, wait a minute.
00:07:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, but
00:07:02
Jarrod Dyke
No, we're not. Uh, so before we get there, uh, don't forget to grab our Patreon. We have had. Um, some content going on there and I got one more thing that's going to go down there for those of you that are looking, cause I think you are seats off this week.
00:07:16
Jarrod Dyke
So, um, those, those of you looking forward to shaping it's got, but I do have something that'll be for you also though that'll come.
00:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I believe so.
00:07:23
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but yeah, go ahead and hit that pretty little subscribe button. Even if you don't want the content, we appreciate your support anyway.
00:07:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes we do, that we do.
00:07:33
Jarrod Dyke
OK, so we did some years. We end up doing Festivus and end of year and one because we know we're not going to get a pod in between. Festivus time and end of year, so this year we happen to be able to split it up, which is great, because it's not going to be this, you know, three hour long beast.
00:07:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
00:07:52
Jarrod Dyke
The last one was pretty long, too.
00:07:55
Jarrod Dyke
But we're going to we are here with for end of year stuff, which usually for us means um 15 of the year, rookie of the year, director of rugby of the year, and then a top five rugby moments for us. um Where shall we start?
00:08:11
Grumpy Old Prop
um So I, I mean, I have my list is that I did the 15 Coach player rookie and then the top five, but i'm willing to go in any any order you want to go with that So interesting tidbit my player of the year is not in my 15 of the year No So that's why I have i like I don't know if you did a separate player of the year but but mine um
00:08:23
Jarrod Dyke
That's no, that's a good one for me. So let's go right to it. So 15 of the year for us. And, um, if I can manage to i'll maybe put out a combined 15 between better and myself.
00:08:38
Jarrod Dyke
No. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, uh, that's no, I did, I did do a player of the year, but, um,
00:08:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
It's in the team. It's in the team. Um, anyway, so let's kick it off. Lu said, you know, I had him on my radar, but I didn't go with him.
00:08:55
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Angus Bell, dude.
00:09:02
Grumpy Old Prop
He's, he's just, he's transitioned from like, I mean, obviously we, we talked about it earlier where, ah um, remember we remember his like first match where it went to, um, Tupo just beasted him and and got him a card, um, and his debut in super rugby.
00:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
Mm.
00:09:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And um it's been like his progression since then. And that was not that long ago. um I mean, he was like 20 at the time. So, you know, not, there's no criticism of him here.
00:09:27
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. No.
00:09:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just that like, it was one of those, okay, you know, he's learning now. Let's see what he does with it. And man, he's, he's, he was amazing in the internationals.
00:09:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, oh he had a great he had a great autumn, especially big time.
00:09:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And he had a great super rugby season, but um certainly once, once the internationals hit, yeah.
00:09:47
Jarrod Dyke
Big time. So I went a little bit of a Homer pick. Hope Rogers.
00:09:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'd say that's an excellent pick.
00:09:58
Jarrod Dyke
she's, and we've we've talked ad nauseam about how and but certainly I have about how impressed I am with Hope's growth over her time and how initially when she burst onto the scene with the Eagles, we were not impressed because she just wasn't playing fit.
00:09:58
Grumpy Old Prop
She's been amazing.
00:10:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:11
Jarrod Dyke
And now not only she fit, she is hands down the best loose head on the team. And she's usually one of the best loose heads in the world bar none.
00:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right.
00:10:18
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, and her obviously your club season is going wonderfully now and was pretty good last year as well.
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:10:23
Jarrod Dyke
So roll that all into one.
00:10:24
Grumpy Old Prop
that She scored like six tries this year, right Yeah, well done um hooker this took me a while and um And my mind goes for kind of a
00:10:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, she hasn't played that many games either. She's played three games, maybe four. So cheers to you, Hope. Well done, well done Gal. Fuck.
00:10:43
Jarrod Dyke
I had to think about this and then i I had an idea and I was like, wait a minute, this actually makes sense. So I'll let you go first, though.
00:10:51
Grumpy Old Prop
career appreciation It's a hooker who I believe he's retiring now finally at like 70 but He's been an international for forever.
00:11:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Here's the here's the fun thing that I learned from watching squidges end of year um So when he went when Gus Creevy got a turnover against Wallace a TT in In their match against New Zealand in the Argentina match against New Zealand
00:11:06
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:11:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
he played against Satiti's dad in his debut.
00:11:29
Jarrod Dyke
Oh wow.
00:11:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, what the fuck? um And really just to go out like that, you you know as like you know, he's not 70, he's 39.
00:11:35
Jarrod Dyke
Old man.
00:11:39
Grumpy Old Prop
That's still fucking might as well be. That's that's ridiculous age.
00:11:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's, that's old and rugby. That's for sure. Especially international rugby.
00:11:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I can confirm. um Well, not for the international, but it'll just hold and rugby, yes.
00:11:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
So just well done, Gus Creevy, on your, what what an amazing career and what a way to cap it off at the end with, you know, playing to go out like that.
00:11:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So I went, there are two players actually from this team um or two teammates. So then I won't say which teammates they are that I ended up getting in my team, but, um, I have, uh, Niamh Jones from, um,
00:12:13
Grumpy Old Prop
She was on, yes, I had her.
00:12:15
Jarrod Dyke
from Gloucester and Ireland. She was a part of the Irish win against the Black Ferns.
00:12:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:12:21
Jarrod Dyke
And obviously she's been doing a dynamite job for Gloucester Heartbreak on top of that. So um with Gloucester Heartbreak being at the top, I had to, number one, I had to at least get one of them in there. I gave an honorable mention to another one, but um yeah, this was this was an easy pick.
00:12:36
Jarrod Dyke
but Once I looked at it real hard and I said, you know what? This is the obvious choice though. So yeah, Ms.
00:12:40
Grumpy Old Prop
No, yeah. She was my pick until I, she was my pick until Gus popped in there and I'm like, I gotta go Gus.
00:12:42
Jarrod Dyke
Jones,
00:12:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's fair. It's not wrong.
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:12:49
Grumpy Old Prop
No, neither. I wonder if we have the same guy here. Um, I don't know why I think that, but I'm just wondering, it's a hunch. Um, but I went with.
00:12:50
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, um three.
00:12:58
Jarrod Dyke
Does he play for South Africa?
00:13:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:13:02
Jarrod Dyke
Does he play for Bath?
00:13:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:13:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. ye
00:13:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, du toi.
00:13:08
Jarrod Dyke
That wasn't, I don't think that's hard. I think he's one of the more popular players right now in terms of analysts, coaches, everybody loves him. He plays both sides of the scrum at international level, which is not a cakewalk.
00:13:18
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:13:19
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and he's a terrific player for his club as well. Like he made immediate impact coming into bath last year.
00:13:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:13:26
Jarrod Dyke
We, I think he was in both of our premier 15 teams of the year for the end of the last year.
00:13:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:13:31
Jarrod Dyke
So, uh, last season. So yeah, big time, big time, big time.
00:13:38
Grumpy Old Prop
There we go.
00:13:40
Jarrod Dyke
We might have this, we might, we might have one of the same second rows.
00:13:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I agree too. Does he play for South Africa?
00:13:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:13:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Is he ridiculously tall and and angry and annoying sometimes?
00:13:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. His name is Ebonette.
00:13:53
Grumpy Old Prop
ah but Yeah.
00:13:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. He's one of mine. He's one of my second rowers.
00:13:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, he's he's one of mine as well um for obvious reasons.
00:14:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:14:00
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he was the best like overall rugby player this year.
00:14:03
Grumpy Old Prop
so
00:14:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:14:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And, uh, next to him, I, I have actually, planted the um men's rugby player of the year, PSDT, as a second, because he did play there a little bit this year, and I wanted to finagle someone else into the team, and I was like, you know what, this is actually okay, so I'm gonna do that.
00:14:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay You did That's not bad, um, my my five is abby ward Who has yeah for so many reasons, um For running off the field coming back from having a baby just being ridiculous on the pit like just what a beast she has been um this year so
00:14:26
Jarrod Dyke
For a lot of reasons. Yeah, on and off the field.
00:14:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:14:41
Grumpy Old Prop
It's well done to her. And obviously, she she helped lead Brizzle almost all the way. um But that she has them competitive. You know, she's one of the driving forces behind them doing a lot of of unseen work, but then also the scene work like that's again, that's why it's about is on that list for me, because like there's a lot of, the um you know, the dirty grimy stuff that he and and Abby do.
00:14:52
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:15:03
Grumpy Old Prop
But then they're also doing the the glory stuff and and playing well on the loose. So got to love them.
00:15:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. All right. So back row.
00:15:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I have three eights, but they've all played in the position where I've played, where I'm putting them here. So that's why I'm dealing with that.
00:15:22
Jarrod Dyke
I have, I have, yeah, I have three people that have all played their the position that they're, that they're at.
00:15:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:27
Jarrod Dyke
So I think it's legit.
00:15:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. So my, my six is Wallace. satitti Yeah.
00:15:32
Jarrod Dyke
ah He's my seven. So that's fair.
00:15:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, just what a, what a breakout performance from him.
00:15:37
Jarrod Dyke
great, great year, can't say enough, you know, people are yeah obviously it's, it's natural for us to wonder who's going to take Artie Savannah's place, who's going to play take the guy that's currently got the helms place.
00:15:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Right He has a shortcomings no doubt, but like it's something where he could grow into But Wallace a TT has just put his hand up be like, you know what rather might grow into it when I can just do it He was Yeah
00:15:51
Jarrod Dyke
And we're all thinking, you know, obviously, to to to would have been a perfectly able and capable replacement, but and, you know, I'm yeah, and but obviously, to tt has answered that bell.
00:16:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:11
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, and he was thrown into the fire too. and he And he thrived so well. I was like, okay, this dude's legit. All right. Look out world hang on to you and then even like, an honorable mention in terms of guys that just were thrown into the fire luck high.
00:16:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:25
Jarrod Dyke
When he was playing when they were playing France, I was like, Yeah, all right, this dude can play.
00:16:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
um But my six is a Opie wafer from Ireland as well.
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And then who's so who's your staff? Who's your sex? Yeah.
00:16:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Excellent. Excellent choice.
00:16:37
Jarrod Dyke
a wonderful Six Nations for her. And obviously ah she was the talisman against the Blackburns in that historic win for Ireland and WXV.
00:16:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
So, and she has definitely made everyone realize that there's some good back rowers in Ireland for the women too.
00:16:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, there are quite a few.
00:16:53
Jarrod Dyke
And she's, she is one of them and, um, she's going to be scary. So look out for anybody in the six nations, um, duck and cover. She's going to come for your head.
00:17:01
Grumpy Old Prop
So my my seven, you mentioned him, it was Artie Sevilla, because he has to be in in your 15 of the year, the way he played this year, and um he's played at seven.
00:17:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:17:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So I said, you know what, I'm spotting him there because I have someone who's a pure eight coming up.
00:17:19
Jarrod Dyke
I do too. I have a puree. Homer Pick.
00:17:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah yeah he's been amazing he's been ah fantastic for saris and i don't know
00:17:25
Jarrod Dyke
But he played really fucking well. And I really wanted him to wear a white shirt more often than he did. But Tom Willis.
00:17:34
Jarrod Dyke
is He's been
Player Versatility in Rugby
00:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
what he's got to do to i don't like yeah seriously like what you need to see curry more are you serious like or even under hill like i like under hill don't get me wrong but why did you pick someone who can only do one thing
00:17:36
Jarrod Dyke
dynamite for the Saracens. Not have Barthwick be the coach, honestly.
00:17:49
Jarrod Dyke
I'm here can't play it can't play though.
00:17:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um over someone like the Willis who can do anything he really wants to on the pitch um and help in any phase of the game.
00:17:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:18:01
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, that's it that's a great call. My pick is um International Former Player of the Year and PWR Champion ah Zoe Aldcroft from Gloucester Harbor.
00:18:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, good pick. Good pick. Also a good pick.
00:18:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, she's good.
00:18:22
Grumpy Old Prop
She's okay, She can.
00:18:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I like Aldercroft so much in the fact that while I think it's probably her best position, she can slide around the scramble a little bit. She can go into the second row. She can go over to six and still do just as good of a job as she does at playing number eight.
00:18:37
Jarrod Dyke
I think you'd be silly to pick at her and not at number eight otherwise.
00:18:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right, but.
00:18:41
Jarrod Dyke
But still, yeah, so good. So, so good. So very good. Um, nine.
00:18:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Look, this is under, this is a very, not very well-known player. um He came from sevens, oddly enough.
00:19:02
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, might've been the reason that I picked them.
00:19:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, seriously, the what what didn't the guy do? um And and well we'll we'll talk about him in the top five moments later, but Anton DuPont, what what a fucking year he had.
00:19:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I'm not sure the guy's done much.
00:19:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Audible mentioned him a hunt in the way, the job she's done for Gloucester Harbor and England.
00:19:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Indeed. Indeed.
00:19:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:19:22
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, DuPont, for sure.
00:19:27
Jarrod Dyke
um See, 10, I was like trying to sort out who in the world has had a really good year for 10s and it I couldn't land on anybody that was great for both club and country or played a lot for both club and country. And then I landed on Zoe Harrison.
00:19:46
Grumpy Old Prop
That's a good one. I consider her.
00:19:47
Jarrod Dyke
but And that that that is true for her in spades always, almost always, but especially, you know, she came back this year um from WXV and, you know, made it a point like, yeah, I'm still the 10 guys.
00:19:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:01
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:20:02
Jarrod Dyke
stop messing around with anything else. I'm, I'm still the 10. Um, and then last year, we're certain this year didn't end well last year, but she was still the most, without a doubt, one of the most consistent, if not one of the best, um, players on that team hands down the whole way through.
00:20:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:20:16
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, Zoe Harrison's my 10.
00:20:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So my 10 was severely limited by his international coach. Just showed up amazingly when he was when he was able to play.
00:20:26
Jarrod Dyke
Sometimes they are.
00:20:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um A lot of times he in matches he started that England lost. um They were leading when they pulled him. Um, and a couple of big ones. Um, and obviously the guy is a terror at in the prem. Um, so my 10 this year is Marcus Smith.
00:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
marcu yeah and ah yeah you're You're right, he he was limited, but that's also what made me turn um turn off just a little bit from it.
00:20:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm not going to punish him for that.
00:20:58
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:20:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to, I'm going to.
00:20:59
Grumpy Old Prop
to go with what the the the performance he put on the field and the position he put his team in, um given the limitations of of the ah system in which he's allowed to, he did hit that drop goal.
00:21:00
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:21:10
Jarrod Dyke
Did hit that drop against Ireland to win it.
00:21:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he he had some some serious balls he plays, so um I think he's earned it. It also comes down to who else would it be? Like New Zealand doesn't really have a 10 right now. Andre Pollard's oak like okay, but
00:21:28
Jarrod Dyke
He didn't he didn't do a ton like they were messing around with Libach and, um, uh, fine bringing them Zulu.
00:21:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:34
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, it was. Yeah, it's not really fair to give Pollard that for his entire...
00:21:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:21:42
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, granted, you could give it to him for his Tigers play, because he played very well, even though the Tigers were terrible last year, last year and they're better this year.
00:21:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah.
00:21:48
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah.
00:21:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And then Ireland have been rotating their 10s. France have been rotating their 10s. Well, I mean, Intimac was hurt. So like, There was a lot there.
00:21:59
Grumpy Old Prop
He just wasn't available for. So it's like, right. So it's, it's it.
00:21:59
Jarrod Dyke
And they're toward Argentina, it was awful, so...
00:22:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, hard to say that. but
00:22:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. It's hard to find a better, you know, a better option there for, as you said, club and country, because, um, shit, who was it for, uh, Argentina who had a really good autumn, but like that was, uh, yeah.
00:22:16
Jarrod Dyke
I'll burn us. Yeah.
00:22:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And, but that's, that was it so far. Like, okay, you have my attention, but the, you know, for the full year.
00:22:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, decent, a decent rugby championship as well. But I mean, he plays, plays for Benson right now.
00:22:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:30
Jarrod Dyke
So it's like, ah yeah, nope.
00:22:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. I started in this week, so in URC.
00:22:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho.
00:22:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:22:39
Jarrod Dyke
Ouch. We're gonna go midfield.
00:22:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:43
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Well, um I'll break the spoiler. Mine's Geordi, 12.
00:22:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:22:50
Jarrod Dyke
Really made things happen for the Hurricanes and got them in a decent position for the further Super Rugby.
00:22:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:55
Jarrod Dyke
He has performed well since he's moved to Leinster and um in terms of the all black shirt like. there was probably one game where I think he was questioned, but then he proved it otherwise and said, no, no, no, this, you're not moving, removing me.
00:23:09
Jarrod Dyke
Don't do that. That's a terrible idea. So, um, yeah. And obviously I have a little favoritism towards him because he's my dude.
00:23:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Sure.
00:23:15
Jarrod Dyke
So, um, yeah, I'm going Jordy.
00:23:17
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. Do your 13 now.
00:23:21
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, I bumped him in from where he usually plays ah my 13th Freeman.
00:23:23
Grumpy Old Prop
That, that good choice.
00:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. He's proven he can play there. but you do a better job than certain other 13 that wears white. um Yeah, I like him a lot.
00:23:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:23:35
Jarrod Dyke
He, you know, he's, didn't he start at full back too at one point, like in this whole process of him getting into a white shirt.
00:23:39
Grumpy Old Prop
He's been yeah, he's been freaking everywhere No,
00:23:42
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, versatile player, but um I like him. I don't mind him at 13 at all. He's obviously got the size for it.
00:23:46
Grumpy Old Prop
yep, I
00:23:48
Jarrod Dyke
That helps. um It's not everything, but it helps.
00:23:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mean Lawrence and him it that would be Yeah with with Marcus like that and then Finn coming up stop, but we have Bortho so we don't get those fun things So I can sum up my 12 and 13 of the year with one word
00:23:51
Jarrod Dyke
And that'd be fun.
00:23:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Let's say we're not going to get that because we're and we're not going to get them to attack anyway. They're just going to kick the leather off the ball.
00:24:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Huey Palatu is,
00:24:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, good one.
00:24:14
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, both of them have just been putting their mark down and saying, you know what, I'm the best, you know, one of the best of my positions right now playing. And it's hard to argue with either of them because they both do so many things.
00:24:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I like it. I like a lot of what Cioni's doing especially.
00:24:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, this certainly him um at that 12 Jersey, just punching holes, dealing out the bat, like he he can do all the things that we used to
00:24:29
Jarrod Dyke
I really do.
00:24:37
Grumpy Old Prop
um When we got the Chances the Esther Hays in the lot to plot who is playing like him but at an international level which is not easy to do and then there's Hugh Jones who is like, the you know, it's thunder and lightning with those two and so it's like you you you have to put the bodies onto Cione and then that means who has a ah one-on-one and he's winning those and
00:24:54
Jarrod Dyke
It is. It is. Yep. Agreed.
00:25:04
Jarrod Dyke
And he can win that. He can win that all day.
00:25:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And not many 13s are doing that.
00:25:07
Jarrod Dyke
For sure.
00:25:08
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's not, it's not, you know, it's as a, you know, he's just showing, I thought ahead of of other 13s.
00:25:12
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:25:17
Jarrod Dyke
It's not, it's not wrong. It's not wrong. Certainly in terms of out and out 13s.
00:25:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:22
Jarrod Dyke
I'd say he's definitely right there as the 1A1B type of person right now.
00:25:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:25:31
Jarrod Dyke
All right, back three. I can guess at least one of yours.
00:25:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm sure you can. Um, so my 11 is two people.
00:25:38
Jarrod Dyke
It's just a matter of where you put them.
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:25:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that's cause they're, they're, they're splitting it, um, mostly because they're basically splitting it at their, um, international level as it is. They are both basically going back and forth saying, I'm going to take the try scoring record.
00:26:00
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, no, I'm going to take the test scoring record.
00:26:02
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, oh, London Mervyn and Graham.
00:26:05
Grumpy Old Prop
and royal penis.
00:26:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:26:07
Grumpy Old Prop
um Oh no, it's Darcy Graham, sorry.
00:26:10
Jarrod Dyke
No, yeah, it's Graham. It's great.
00:26:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I just wanted to say royal penis, dammit.
00:26:12
Jarrod Dyke
he say i know I know you meant that's fine.
00:26:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um yeah but so No, not Kinghorn, Darcy Graham.
00:26:15
Jarrod Dyke
ah by Listen, that's okay. It's okay. Yeah, Graham and Johan.
00:26:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Darcy, the other royal penis, correct.
00:26:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:26:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. He has his own girl penis that he can, that he can show off.
00:26:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:26:26
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:26:29
Jarrod Dyke
ah um Yeah. So my 11th till then we'll play it the year right now. um I only did that because the, the guy, the guy I picked a full bite just doesn't fit at 11.
00:26:41
Jarrod Dyke
I know 15th her spot, but she certainly thrived anywhere in the back three.
00:26:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Interesting. and Yeah, now I'm intrigued to see where you you have 15.
00:26:45
Jarrod Dyke
So I'm not gonna.
00:26:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:26:49
Grumpy Old Prop
My 14 is Tommy Freeman though.
00:26:52
Grumpy Old Prop
So we we win we went over that.
00:26:53
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, so we got so we got him in there.
00:26:56
Jarrod Dyke
We've gone there. um fourteen My 14th Colbay.
00:27:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, not a bad pick. He's all
00:27:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, especially the way, and we're gonna get more into South Africa in a little bit, um the way they have just found a way to turn through the gears and now there're and they're attacking and obviously they have these wonderful attacking weapons with the likes of him.
00:27:17
Jarrod Dyke
He is now thriving in a spring box jersey every time he touches the ball.
00:27:19
Grumpy Old Prop
No, wait, time out a second. I you just just yeah caught my attention there with, we're gonna have more South Africa in a second. You motherfucker, did you did you pick Willy LaRue?
00:27:30
Jarrod Dyke
We will.
00:27:33
Jarrod Dyke
No, not that one. ah That guy.
00:27:35
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:27:37
Jarrod Dyke
I did my I did my duty by being nice to him a couple of weeks ago.
00:27:39
Grumpy Old Prop
ah okay Okay, all right, that was just concern there.
00:27:42
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no.
00:27:43
Grumpy Old Prop
We can move, okay. keep keep Continue keeping praise on Cheslyn Colby as he deserves.
00:27:44
Jarrod Dyke
No. Yeah. but Yeah. I mean, hot stepper. What else? you get What else are you going to say?
00:27:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly. He's amazing.
00:27:51
Jarrod Dyke
um and I actually i just started reading Khaleesi's book and he was talking about him and that, too. I was like, this is fun to listen to. So, yep. Call Bay wins.
00:28:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And my 15 is obviously Ellie Kildon, who play of the year just crushes it wherever she, whenever, wherever she plays.
00:28:04
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, I'm not shocked there.
00:28:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And um you can, you can account for her all you want. She's going to tear you up anyway.
00:28:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, ah barring the miserable trip down to Argentina for France, um Ramos has had a wonderful year for both club and country. like you know Is there anybody you trust with the team more?
00:28:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, he's got the T too, like, like he's, yeah.
00:28:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I don't think so. So, yeah, exactly. So it's, it's, I mean, he's, I think he was at 10 for just for the autumn, just because they had guys banged up, obviously, and Temac was not completely available.
00:28:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, it's lots of 10, but why? I don't get, I never, I didn't really get that. Um, other than he has the T, but Intimac was hurt.
00:28:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:51
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, they didn't have a ah wonderful automation, excuse me, Six Nations either, but he's still been one of the most consistent players.
00:28:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:28:59
Jarrod Dyke
And then for Toulouse, he's always like that guy.
00:29:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:03
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, You can count on
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00:29:05
Jarrod Dyke
one hand how many times he's missed big games for it to lose and done or done poorly for it to lose in big games.
00:29:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, true.
00:29:12
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, Thomas Ramos.
00:29:16
Jarrod Dyke
ah Which form are we gonna go with? Player of the year?
00:29:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's all ah let's do player there. Yeah, we'll stick with that.
00:29:25
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:29:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um So as I said, my, my player of the year, actually, no, do yours first. You said you, you had your player of the year in your 15. So.
00:29:33
Jarrod Dyke
i'm I'm running a wrong, it's at the Beth, it's Evan.
00:29:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. yeah ah And my, my player of the year, um, is Loonamar.
00:29:36
Jarrod Dyke
I'm running a wrong here, it's at the Beth. It should have been the whole fucking way it's at the Beth, so he's mine at least.
00:29:48
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, nice, okay, well that makes sense for a lot of reasons otherwise, okay. Now I understand why your play of the year was not in your 15, because she hasn't touched the field for 15s in a little while, but she will soon.
00:29:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Um, not, not yet. I mean, yeah, I was considering throwing, in throwing her in at like 12, but then I'm like, hasn't done that yet.
00:30:00
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:30:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I know she's either a center or a wing, but either way, um, this, cause this goes honestly beyond the game itself.
00:30:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. Uh-huh.
00:30:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, just as we've talked about, like, you know, immediately, um, you know, like,
00:30:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Totally agree.
00:30:23
Grumpy Old Prop
the impact she's had on people, as on human beings. And as we've said, like, there's millions of rugby fans around the world who know Anton DuPont, Evid at Sibeth, all these stars.
00:30:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um There's also millions of people around the world who have no idea who any of them are.
00:30:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. There's many millions that know who Alana is.
00:30:41
Grumpy Old Prop
and though what But those people know who Alodomar is.
00:30:45
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:30:46
Grumpy Old Prop
and right like she signed with Bristol and immediately the first game where she's eligible to play it's not even that this is her first match they didn't come out and say she's going to play they said she's just eligible to play on January 5th and immediately they sell so many goddamn tickets that they have to move it to Ashton gate and they may sell out Ashton gate like
00:30:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. For a lot of reasons they know who she is, but yes.
00:30:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. The gate. And that's that's a a lot of tickets sold out there.
00:31:09
Jarrod Dyke
Sold there, so.
00:31:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It's yeah, it's this is like It's beyond just rugby. This is what this is something rugby needed and I Heard you if you haven't watched squidges and this is you know, not just for for you Jared, which you still should um Even if you don't watch the rest of the video Watch at least the top two for ah from his video this this past year for the two is DuPont and and his whole thing Which we'll get to in a little bit um But Number one, his number one was, was Alona Mars spoiler alert.
00:31:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And just going through all of it, that, that this, how this affects the game. And this is something we've been waiting for. And especially that it's America and the U S really needs to be brought into the, the rugby world and that this could connect that us to it finally and get people interested in and and involved.
00:32:01
Jarrod Dyke
and stop giving air to mouth breathers as well, please.
00:32:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right. And the bot and also the, the, um, the body positivity.
00:32:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, we need that. And, and especially, you know, women and women athletes need that. That's one thing that kind of started when I was around high school, like it was still um like we had this one field hockey player who I was fucking infatuated with.
00:32:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:32:28
Grumpy Old Prop
But she had like, just broad shoulders and she was ah she had fucking like the chisel jaw and I was just like,
00:32:28
Jarrod Dyke
No. ah
00:32:35
Grumpy Old Prop
One time we actually played field hockey at one point as like a PE class in like eighth grade. And she was already a star. And like, somehow, I got matched up with her in an open field. And I'm like, and so put it this way, I'm, you know, I'm an offensive lineman for the football team. And I'm like, I want nothing to do. Like, I like turned and like, like was ready to charge at me. And I'm like, I know, no, so thank you, but also kind of yes, please. um And it's like, we but we need to make that, you know,
00:33:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, we need to be more positive. Like, yeah. So women can be big too. Women can be jacked. Like that's nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with that. Um, so, and we gotta, to you know, make it more, you know, the, there's a stigma around it for some reason and I don't get it. Um, but, uh,
00:33:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but again, I'm very comfortable with my own sexuality. So it doesn't make me like, wait, am I, have does this make me kind of get, no, cause it's not, ah she's a girl dumbass.
00:33:31
Jarrod Dyke
No, jerks.
00:33:35
Grumpy Old Prop
It's okay.
00:33:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and either way it's okay. Like if the answer is yes, it's okay. There's nothing wrong with that either. Like, why do you, why do you make me so there's a whole bunch of issues that, you know,
00:33:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:33:44
Jarrod Dyke
nothing Nothing at all.
00:33:49
Jarrod Dyke
Why are we gonna make it about that?
00:33:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That, and again, I'm sorry, I'm going back into the, the no discrimination thing, but at the same time, like this is the, the, the, what we need for certainly women's athletes in general, uh, but also men, like, you know, not every, not every prop can look like fucking max LaHeeffe, you know, like, yeah, again, she's in good shape.
00:34:06
Jarrod Dyke
No, no. Who else is it going to rig for a prop, Genji?
00:34:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like not everyone.
00:34:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but like every every prop's not going to look like that, and not every prop needs to look like that in order to operate like a high high class prop either, so.
00:34:16
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:34:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly. You still have your you can have your Adam Jones's and that's fine. Um, there's a place for you in rugby Yeah, right Not the fittest man, but a fucking legend Yeah, yes Right So yeah, just amazing what she's doing gonna do for rugby.
00:34:24
Jarrod Dyke
I'm joking, this is a legend in a lot of ways.
00:34:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Absolutely. Like Castor Giovanni. There you go. That's one. That's one for everyone right there. Not the prettiest rig, but definitely a legend in his own right.
00:34:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, hopefully hidden we're you know, we're all pulling for her because
00:34:49
Jarrod Dyke
Let's say as long as everybody gets the fuck out of their own way.
00:34:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:53
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus.
00:34:56
Jarrod Dyke
Rookie of the year.
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
So, I'm wondering, I mean, my neither.
00:35:02
Jarrod Dyke
He's not, he's mine's not in my team either, so.
00:35:05
Grumpy Old Prop
um And I did have Walla Satiti who was kind of an our honorable mention for this.
00:35:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:35:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But my rookie, the year guy who comes the fuck out of nowhere in his first ever professional rugby game against the what would the in the future would be
00:35:10
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely.
00:35:20
Grumpy Old Prop
the, um, that league's champions and puts up a casual hat trick, like no, no big deal. Um, and then just keeps backing it up. And I can't wait to see what this guy's going to do, um, in his second year as a pro.
00:35:36
Grumpy Old Prop
And then when he finally gets the chance to, uh, to play international and he will, um, the junkyard dog, Tim Ryan is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
00:35:44
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, that's a good one. I like that one. I like that one a whole lot. Um, I went with Fay Bobo, so obviously he's been capped and all that, but I mean, the year the kid had last year and then capped it off with getting capped by England, both in the six nations and on tour, um,
00:36:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
00:36:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he was a little bit of a ghost in the autumn, I'll give you that. But you know this is wickki he's still this is still this is now his time to adjust to the to everyone else now.
00:36:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's this rookie year. Yeah. Right. Because now, ah as as we've said, like people have seen him.
00:36:16
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:36:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's like, okay, we're not going to let you surprise us. We're not going to give you space. What can you do now? And now he's going to have to see if he can rise above that.
00:36:29
Jarrod Dyke
Right. But it certainly made people adjust to him, that's for sure.
00:36:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, but if you do that as a rookie, then you've done well.
00:36:35
Jarrod Dyke
Done okay. Done okay, kid.
00:36:36
Grumpy Old Prop
If you've done okay such that they're like, oh shit, we have to, we we cannot just leave you one-on-one, like that can't happen.
00:36:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um Right, the problem is that your team is is not helping you to get one-on-one situations.
00:36:43
Jarrod Dyke
Don't get penisy.
00:36:49
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:36:49
Grumpy Old Prop
So that's really where where things are falling down for him.
00:36:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Um, coach director, of director of rugby of the year.
00:36:58
Grumpy Old Prop
My coach, and I'm going to butcher her name because it's French, and i so I apologize, I don't know exactly the pronunciation, but sangren,
00:37:09
Grumpy Old Prop
<unk> it aric I see again, I'm fucking it up. um But the too long, um the first woman to be a head coach for a top division professional rugby team.
00:37:21
Jarrod Dyke
Nice. Yeah, that's true. I remember that now. That's a good one. I like that.
00:37:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Cause the act, the, the actual head coach had to take himself out of, he had to sit, I think he, he kind of punished him till he suspended himself for something he did. Cause I think he was a dick to the team and realized they said, Nope, I need to step back for a week.
00:37:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And so she was, and she's the sideline coach.
00:37:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I will step back for a week. Yes, I remember that now. Yeah, good call. I like it.
00:37:44
Grumpy Old Prop
So she, she got the but coach's armband and, uh, that's just such a, you know, that's. Good that's it's happened now, and she's she obviously she's more than earned it.
00:37:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um but Now it's time to to make it a full time gig for for someone.
00:38:01
Grumpy Old Prop
But at the same time, well done to be a trailblazer to break a massive glass ceiling.
00:38:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:38:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And, you know, obviously has
Evolution of Team Strategies
00:38:10
Grumpy Old Prop
the respect of the the club and players and so. It can happen. So let's, let's make it happen. Cause fuck. Do we need another Steve diamond? Do we need another Rob Baxter?
00:38:17
Jarrod Dyke
like too long to slouch either.
00:38:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Like how about we, you know, I'm sure there's better women's head coaches out there than them.
00:38:20
Jarrod Dyke
No, we do not.
00:38:23
Grumpy Old Prop
So make it happen.
00:38:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm, I'm sure of this as well. No, we don't need more of them. No. So I'm gonna shot the crap out of you.
00:38:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:32
Jarrod Dyke
um Director of rugby of the year for me is Razi.
00:38:36
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Yeah.
00:38:38
Jarrod Dyke
like, this is a machine right now.
00:38:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I can see it. It really is.
00:38:41
Jarrod Dyke
And, and you and you brought up the point when you were being when you when you said something nice about him the other day, like, he is getting more bodies into the spring blocks rotation, while also still maintaining quality rugby.
00:38:54
Jarrod Dyke
And they've evolved the rugby to the point where it's like, they're not just gonna, they're gonna beat the crap out of you. But also, they're now gonna just give it to someone like you a Kobe and let him dance in find him find him in space.
00:39:05
Jarrod Dyke
And it's, and And again, it's not just one guy that's playing 10, not just one guy that's playing 12, 13. It's all these different fellows that are just rotating through, you know, um, Hendrickson and Grant Williams have been reappearing in spring box green these days. And they won their first, that was the first time they won the rugby championship for a little bit. Like.
00:39:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah.
00:39:28
Jarrod Dyke
Fucking the guy annoys the hell out of me, but credit where credit's due.
00:39:32
Jarrod Dyke
And this team is a nightmare to play against right now.
00:39:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And the thing is, but I think I missed in this that the there to me as ah as a coach watching what South Africa do, there's so there's clearly a ah high level of use of video footage and actually good use of it.
00:39:35
Jarrod Dyke
So I am not going to be looking forward to anybody that has to go play them this year. So have fun.
00:39:56
Grumpy Old Prop
and understanding what the other teams can and can't do, because like, they, the players are drilled to know, okay, this is what to expect at this point from this team. And here's how we, and so it's, that's how they slot anybody in. There's an expectation of, you need to know what to like, we, when we run through these drills, you need to be able to run through them in training and then take them out onto the pitch.
00:40:18
Grumpy Old Prop
and execute your role and only your role, like guys who try to do too much. No, you're not gonna, you're not gonna last long. It's gonna be the guys who just do your job. And when you simplify it like that, but you make it complex, the jobs are complex, but you just do your job where you find yourself.
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
That's why they're just a terror to play against, because they will take away your what you're trying to do, they'll just be like, Okay, this is what we're gonna do, your main attack, this is what we need to stop it.
00:40:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:43
Grumpy Old Prop
So what are you going to do?
00:40:44
Grumpy Old Prop
How are you going to scramble?
00:40:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:44
Jarrod Dyke
You're a move after that.
00:40:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And the thing is, they get a lot of teams then isolating themselves.
00:40:46
Jarrod Dyke
Like.
00:40:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they're like, oh, shoot, now we've got to make a pass. We're not really used to making, or we're not comfortable making, or we don't do a lot. And now a guy is isolated. And then we turn him over. And like that's the whole plan is to be like, we're going to shut down option A so that you have to go to option B and maybe option C.
00:41:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And then in option C, we'll just take the ball away from you because you're really not prepared for it.
00:41:10
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:41:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And fucking amazing job he's done.
00:41:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, it's hard to i'm sorry to deny.
00:41:14
Grumpy Old Prop
The prick.
00:41:17
Jarrod Dyke
It really is hard to deny.
00:41:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:20
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, moments. This magic moment. All right, um so we'll go five to one.
00:41:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:41:29
Jarrod Dyke
I think we should just do all five for one of us and then switch back only because yeah, it tends to get a little messy.
00:41:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:41:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. So which way you want to fuck this pig?
00:41:41
Jarrod Dyke
Honestly, it doesn't matter.
00:41:42
Grumpy Old Prop
All right, I'll go first since you went.
00:41:44
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Sounds like a winner.
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Whatever, i think i whatever, I'm going.
00:41:48
Jarrod Dyke
Go for it.
00:41:49
Grumpy Old Prop
My number five is Julian Sevilla setting the world the record for the most super rugby tries.
00:41:50
Jarrod Dyke
No arguments.
00:41:54
Jarrod Dyke
Good one.
00:41:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um Just, a you know, a bit of a shadow of his former self, but this year he actually kind of showed up. He was pretty damn good. um And part of that seemed to be getting that record try.
00:42:06
Grumpy Old Prop
After that, he he kind of it kind of broke a seal for him and he kept scoring.
00:42:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:42:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:42:11
Grumpy Old Prop
so ah hu Number four, ah the Max Jorgensen try versus England to win at the death.
00:42:12
Jarrod Dyke
Took it away from that dirt bag too.
00:42:19
Jarrod Dyke
oh ah Sorry, England fans.
00:42:21
Grumpy Old Prop
what ah Sorry, what a fucking try that was.
00:42:22
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, not sorry, England fans, but like, damn. Yeah.
00:42:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah. Number three, um Scotland scoring with a clock read to beat France and the Six Nations except fuck you Nick Barry and Brian McNeese.
00:42:35
Jarrod Dyke
Oh my god, the whole thing.
00:42:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck you.
00:42:37
Grumpy Old Prop
That's down.
00:42:37
Jarrod Dyke
The whole thing.
00:42:38
Grumpy Old Prop
The foot's out of the way. There's like, oh, we can't see the ball. Well, there's literally nothing between the ball and that in the ground. Anyway, that because that's not actually number three then. um Actually, number three is, you know, to a Palatu, captaining Scotland, scoring his first try versus his native Australia with his grandmother in the stands, having surprised him before the match.
00:42:38
Jarrod Dyke
What a bunch of muppets that fucked that up.
00:42:57
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was great Right that was wonderful Yeah came on as a sub and that one too, right?
00:42:59
Grumpy Old Prop
What a fantastic story that was.
00:43:03
Grumpy Old Prop
um Number two, um, was that Anton DuPont, first off of anything, it was his gold medal match. Um, coming on and just, he came on as a sub and just destroyed that match.
00:43:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah
00:43:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Just was like, this is mine now. I know. And then for all the people who, so obviously he had the doubters of the, Oh, can you go between 15s and sevens? I don't know.
00:43:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Which he just did. He's like, yeah, I'm good at sevens now. Um, it took him like one. Uh, one tournament to be like, Oh, okay.
00:43:36
Jarrod Dyke
One tournament.
00:43:37
Grumpy Old Prop
I kind of see what CUNY was excellent in that tournament. But then he's like, okay, this is this kind of shape. I got to be in. And this is the things I got to do. Awesome. And then he just did it. Um, and then his return to fifteens because, Oh, that's not going to be easy.
00:43:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, he scored a fucking hat trick in like nine minutes and and assisted another try. Like, yeah, yeah I think, I think it's, I don't think it's that hard for him.
00:43:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no problem.
00:43:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, no.
00:43:58
Jarrod Dyke
It's not hard for him.
00:44:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And the number one.
00:44:01
Jarrod Dyke
this this whole This whole oval ball thing is pretty easy for DuPont.
00:44:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And, and the number one, and this this was truly just a single moment, about 10 seconds worth of time to to change the which to change the fortunes potentially of the this entire sport and an entire nation um to and and potentially shatter the rugby world.
00:44:16
Jarrod Dyke
Was it that long? It felt like it was longer.
00:44:29
Grumpy Old Prop
in the long-term was Spiff Cedric's ah almost hundred meter dash.
00:44:38
Jarrod Dyke
About or so.
00:44:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, with, no, she broke the line at like the the five and then she's gone.
00:44:43
Jarrod Dyke
That's true, actually. Yeah, she she she bumped someone there.
00:44:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um Yeah. And the ripple effect that that caused with him you know right immediately, but we'll see the long-term ramification, we just won't know.
00:45:00
Grumpy Old Prop
But also that, you know, the immediate $4 billion investment right after that, met like, just all these things are going to build on on themselves.
00:45:05
Jarrod Dyke
Mm.
00:45:08
Grumpy Old Prop
and And, you know, these, these players are going to be heroes for a long time, there's going to be, um you know,
00:45:16
Jarrod Dyke
There'll be poetry we're written about these gals.
00:45:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of, you know, I i didn't start playing until I saw a spiff run. I saw a loan a, you know, stiff arm some Japanese player into the next week.
00:45:25
Jarrod Dyke
Truck stick someone. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I saw how any of the the ladies on that team. um But you know that that one run.
00:45:39
Grumpy Old Prop
mattered so much.
00:45:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's just amazing to sit how it went down. So yeah, that was my number one moment of the I mean, it wasn't I know you both of us were watching at the same time and just like yelling and and everything waking up the babies and whatnot.
00:45:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:45:53
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:45:53
Grumpy Old Prop
But we weren't alone around the around the country, certainly.
00:45:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Yeah.
00:45:57
Grumpy Old Prop
So big ups to spiff and the team.
00:45:59
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:46:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, no kidding. Um, yeah, sure. It's going to be number one on all of this, I think.
00:46:09
Grumpy Old Prop
she's right
00:46:11
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, all right. So for five for me is a, uh, more of a, while there were many, great moments this year. Obviously the birth of Ben and I's children has been number one, has definitely number one, but not rugby wise.
00:46:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right Yeah, not not quite rugby related Yeah, I think it's true
00:46:24
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe someday they'll be rugby wise, but that's a different story for a different day. Um, but, uh, so for me personally, otherwise, um, uh, my boys seem won their first playoff game that they, it since I've been, been there and, you know, I don't know what that says about me, but, um, got a quarterfinal win and got to a semifinal and and the boys,
00:46:46
Jarrod Dyke
Our boys aren't very big in terms of size. So the fact that we were able to do what we did and did in the manner we did, I was actually watching game tape from this past season and last week. Cause I was just looking at a few things and i'm I'm continuously blown away by the way the boys played and and especially in in that game. And then one of the best games I played in a long time was in a loss to a much better team,
Personal Coaching Reflections
00:47:11
Jarrod Dyke
but we went toe to toe with them and lost at at the death. Uh,
00:47:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, incredibly proud of those guys. And um yeah, the last time he made the playoffs was my second year of being head coach. And we got thumped in the and that in that particular game.
00:47:26
Jarrod Dyke
So getting ah getting their first one was well deserved. And that was ah it was a fun moment for me and and the coaches that but were on the staff with me. So had to put that in there.
00:47:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's a pretty good moment.
00:47:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:47:37
Grumpy Old Prop
There's nothing wrong with that.
00:47:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And because it's great. One of the things I try to tell the kids that I coach is like I do this for the like, not the coaching, but I played for the experiences and like those kids got that experience of being, you know, first Brookline kids to to win a playoff game, not just for you, but for you know, for the program for a little while.
00:47:40
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:47:56
Jarrod Dyke
for a little while. It had been since since I got there, even like even before I was the assistant, we hadn't won a playoff game.
00:48:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:04
Jarrod Dyke
but So yeah, it's been a bit.
00:48:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's been a spell and that's like ah that's a big thing for them to build for them not having seen it before. It's huge and that's gonna be an experience and they're, it's gonna, ah another ripple effect, so.
00:48:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I can only hope. Number four. Mr. Horst like himself, Kieran Frawley drop goal versus South Africa to win it.
00:48:25
Grumpy Old Prop
That was, that was okay.
00:48:27
Jarrod Dyke
And especially after missing the one he missed in champions cup and just to have the, have the ice in his veins, just brush that off. Cause obviously that can live with you forever. And it probably still did in his mind, but he just, he ignored it and was able to just know he wouldn't hit it from way beyond where he had it from too.
00:48:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh, a little bit, yeah.
00:48:44
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah.
00:48:44
Grumpy Old Prop
He had room to spare.
00:48:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Karen for Ali dropping against South Africa. Just me or look out. Uh, that was, yeah, it was fucking awesome. Um, yeah, in South Africa is no joke, by the way.
00:48:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:58
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Number three, uh, near and dear to my heart, TJ's last all blacks game and just the moments afterwards, watching him and and the appreciation he he had and that people had for the contributions he's given to the game, to the all blacks and, um, he's playing in Japan now and black Ram, but.
00:49:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:49:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:49:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he is. And again, he's he's probably going to be one of my favorite all-time nines. Obviously, I'm very biased towards that because I'm a Hurricanes fan and he spent 99% of his club career with the Hurricanes.
00:49:31
Jarrod Dyke
um i'm Yeah, I'm going to miss that guy. And he's ah he's a wee bit of a chipper, but the the guy did it in good fun.
00:49:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah Right, maybe they need to find a new haka lead because it's not it's not the same with it I mean, it has it's never been the same without him when as long as he's been Available for the all-blacks.
00:49:38
Jarrod Dyke
And ain't nobody that leaves a hocko quite like TJ. so
00:49:51
Grumpy Old Prop
It's one of those like if he wasn't playing and they had someone else like a guest star And it was ah it was never never as good as him. So it's getting you know, maybe some of that is they didn't do it enough but at the same time they need someone who brings that the personality and the the The essence of it, the way he did, who really like, yeah, who, who was like feeling it the whole time, not just doing it.
00:50:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, certainly some intangibles in there for that guy. Mm hmm.
00:50:17
Grumpy Old Prop
They need that again.
00:50:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, always and always spoke um in native tongue as well at the end of um hurricanes games when he was talking.
00:50:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:50:27
Jarrod Dyke
So and in any of the all blacks games that he was interviewed in as well. So, yeah, class act.
00:50:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:50:32
Jarrod Dyke
And despite the fact that he was a complete ticket hit on the field, sometimes um he will be.
00:50:35
Grumpy Old Prop
He's just, he's denying that's his job.
00:50:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah He'll be missed to be missed.
00:50:38
Grumpy Old Prop
That's literally his job. so
00:50:42
Jarrod Dyke
Um, number two was LeRumelan's try in the corner, in the final for the free jacks to give us a, help you give us back to back W's for, uh, MR championship.
00:50:57
Jarrod Dyke
And yeah, it was, that was not as fun as his winner the year before, but still that was, that was some skill, just the same.
00:51:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well.
00:51:05
Grumpy Old Prop
What a, what a 12 months he had.
00:51:09
Jarrod Dyke
I know, right. Broke his leg. won the one M.L.R. Championship on his score, broke his leg in the World Cup against the All Blacks, came back to and won another M.L.R.
00:51:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:19
Grumpy Old Prop
They won. They won his court.
00:51:21
Jarrod Dyke
Championship and scored again.
00:51:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:22
Jarrod Dyke
Like those are the only two tries that that he he had scored for the Freejacks as well, by the way.
00:51:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I know.
00:51:30
Jarrod Dyke
So, ah yeah, I mean, if there's a time to do it, thats that is the fucking time to do it.
00:51:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Fine. Good.
00:51:36
Jarrod Dyke
Well done, sir. And I don't know if we can go over number one more, honestly, like, I mean, we could, it's, best it's, it's metric.
00:51:41
Grumpy Old Prop
What is it yeah ah what could it?
00:51:46
Jarrod Dyke
It's metric. It's nobody else.
00:51:48
Grumpy Old Prop
What could it possibly be?
00:51:50
Jarrod Dyke
Like people are just like, it's bronze. I'm like, you have no idea what a metal. in this sport means to this, you know, the United States rugby as a whole, like, yes, they were technically the defending champs from the, when the sport was brought back in, but that was 15s and that was like in the 1920s.
00:52:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Nobody cares. It's, it's, uh, yeah.
00:52:07
Jarrod Dyke
Nobody fucking remembers that shit.
00:52:10
Jarrod Dyke
Also that, but also that, and it's, yeah, and i I had the feels just watching her and then obviously watch it, like, I love Sammy Sullivan on the sideline.
00:52:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but but it's not over. It's not over. It's not over.
00:52:22
Jarrod Dyke
Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
00:52:24
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, it both, everything, everything.
00:52:24
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:52:26
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, Sammy, are you telling everyone else that? Are you telling you yourself that? Like, definitely a little bit of both.
00:52:30
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, calm down. and can read to yeah And then she had to leave to go get married.
00:52:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Great character, by the way. I love her. God damn it. Um, fair enough though. You know, whatever that happens, sir but she, so yeah, love the whole, the whole thing that happened afterwards.
00:52:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. but
00:52:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. yes
00:52:46
Jarrod Dyke
And obviously hometown here, Christy Kerr, she got
00:52:49
Jarrod Dyke
herself a medal as well. And she actually got to like have some awesome thing at the Boston Celtics the other night too. She was, ah she was all about that.
00:52:55
Grumpy Old Prop
That's cool. That's real cool.
00:52:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, that's, but that's what winning ah a medal, even a bronze does. It's, it's, yeah, Americans want gold, but at the same time for a sport, we don't know.
00:52:57
Jarrod Dyke
She was all about that for sure.
00:53:08
Grumpy Old Prop
We'll settle to watch them win a medal. I mean, you'd rather, again, a tournament like this, you'd rather win bronze than win silver.
00:53:18
Jarrod Dyke
lose a loose and get a sofa.
00:53:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Silver is the worst. I will, you know, other than finishing fourth, but, um, silver fucking sucks.
00:53:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that sucks.
00:53:30
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed, agreed.
00:53:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Once again, I will, we'll go back to when I won the the bronze in the McAfee games and it was us and Australia had won gold and over, they won over, uh, the UK.
00:53:32
Jarrod Dyke
I'll even look at like,
00:53:43
Grumpy Old Prop
and like we were all partying till the sun came up and afterwards, and well, Australia and us were. The Brits were like, well, the UK, because they were from everywhere, were not, they weren't out very late.
00:53:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, you got silver, we like you beat us in this the semis, but it just sucks losing that last game.
00:54:00
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:54:05
Grumpy Old Prop
it's There's something about it. So um yeah, winning bronze is an awesome thing.
00:54:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:54:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Nothing wrong with that.
00:54:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. No, no, no. Yeah. So we, we will, we will, um, yeah, that was, that was just too good.
00:54:24
Jarrod Dyke
Too good.
00:54:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:54:26
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know. I have no, um I have no other. words for that moment, yeah other than it left me speechless.
00:54:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:54:36
Jarrod Dyke
And like, I'm and for the amount of girls I coach as well, for them to see that and have that hope, like, Oh, I could be that.
00:54:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:50
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, it was the one moment that those girls needed to say, I can do this.
00:54:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Because that's that's the other thing.
00:54:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because like, for some of us who've had maybe not the like a great chance, but an opportunity to to at least consider and and get be put in a position where it would be a ah possibility of of being an an international player for for the US. It's like, to the point where we've gotten the okay, here's what it's going to take for you to do it.
00:55:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you look through what what it takes to do it. And then you look through what it means to play for the Eagles. And you're just like, no, I'm not doing it. Like it sucks to make that decision that I'm not even going to go for this opportunity, but only because it's like, what, I'm going to work my ass off, do all this stuff.
00:55:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:55:29
Jarrod Dyke
and Yeah.
00:55:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And then we're just going to get the shit kicked out of us anyway. Like, no, I'm not going to do it. Whereas this transitions that to, wait, we could win a bronze at the Olympics. Like, fuck yeah, I'm in. Like, ah and then that builds.
00:55:44
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah, huge for the sport.
00:55:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:55:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry. I didn didn't get that in earlier.
00:55:48
Jarrod Dyke
No, that was near, near bang on with it. Bang on with it, sir.
00:55:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:55:54
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Um, we'll try to wrap this up in somewhere around the next 20 minutes. So this is Frank and pod, but, um, PWR game of the week fucking tear and ball it again.
00:56:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Thanks.
00:56:05
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck you guys. Get it right this week, please.
00:56:07
Grumpy Old Prop
puddles Yeah, they better get it right this week because it's it's the Bristol match get it right.
00:56:07
Jarrod Dyke
Assholes. Get it right this week, dickheads. Yep.
00:56:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't fuck this up Right sale crushed Bristol without AJ Right
00:56:13
Jarrod Dyke
Please. Um, For the sake of time and my own pain and Janice pain, we're going to skip the first three matches of this weekend for a lot of reasons. um We'll get into the other one. We'll get into those in there and our superlatives in a little bit anyway. So um no doubt. But so we'll talk about a little bit of Twickenham, obviously. And the amazing match that was that people were treated to and in the big game, Lester and twins and just yeah And this is, so this is why I was excited about Michael Cheka coming to Lester when I saw that.
00:56:51
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Yeah.
00:56:53
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, wow, I don't hate Dan McCaller by means whatsoever. It sounds like he, his plan was just stupid. So that's why they got rid of him.
00:56:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like he walked out of their meeting with his like, you know, next year plan and they're like, what the fuck? We're fucked. And they had to fire. They fired him like immediately.
00:57:08
Jarrod Dyke
And you're fired.
00:57:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:12
Jarrod Dyke
And then check checks, you know, has a, you know, he's animated. We'll say that, but he, he's got, he was always going to bring the, the thing that Lester were missing.
00:57:22
Jarrod Dyke
And we know Lester loved to play a certain way because that's what their fans want. But at the same time, you need to be able to keep up with the way the premier ship's going. And right now it's, you better be able to put points on the board.
00:57:32
Jarrod Dyke
Otherwise you are going to get left on the dust and a lot of teams are figuring that out this year, including three of the ones from this weekend.
00:57:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:57:38
Jarrod Dyke
Um, So i'm if I'm Lester, I am like over the moon at the way things have started and I know there's still a lot to olymp room to grow for them. There's probably some guys they can cut and chop and and probably get out.
00:57:51
Jarrod Dyke
We'll talk about a couple of those in a little bit. um my My first thing is they need to play Will Wand and and and Woodward as much as possible. like They need to find spots through the two of those guys on the field as often as possible because they are going to be guys that really bring them to the next level and they're going to be there for a long time, I think.
00:58:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:58:12
Jarrod Dyke
so they need to get the... and the the town is clearly there. So, stop fucking around with guys like Dan Kelly and...
00:58:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah I was like do we really need to see more den Kelly like Kata I have a problem.
00:58:21
Jarrod Dyke
Cata, same thing.
00:58:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I Yeah, no, I I just mean that like he is So there's there's well who the fuck is he at this point because like he gets a lot of cards and
00:58:26
Jarrod Dyke
We'll get to that. don't We'll get to that, don't you worry.
00:58:39
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:58:39
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, he also does really well when he's playing well, but then he also just disappears for stretches. So it's like, fucking pick a lane, dude. You're all ah literally all over the place. You're either great, or you suck, or you're guarded. Like, this is not a good, you know two of those three or three things are bad. And so be less of those than the good, because you can be amazing. And and I don't know what his problem is right now.
00:59:03
Jarrod Dyke
not do And then
00:59:06
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, again, that back row um needs help though. Like they played all right. But then again, like even that's not like the Quinn's top back row, right? Chandler Cunningham South played 13 minutes. Will Evans played 17 minutes. Like I'm not sure what was behind that decision.
00:59:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:59:31
Jarrod Dyke
Me neither.
00:59:32
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, I think that that would have been a very different outcome if they had played more, I think, and in my humble opinion.
00:59:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:59:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And that also, but that also played into, again, into Lester's hands there, because, you know, crack knows kind of mobile, Rafael, good defensive, like, again, what, like a ah Curry type.
00:59:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um And Leibenberg, I love watching him play. It was like, um he does a lot of good things, but nothing great. And that's good.
01:00:03
Grumpy Old Prop
It's good to have, but I just wished he had an element to his game that you couldn't find elsewhere.
01:00:11
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:00:11
Grumpy Old Prop
That's what they don't have. That's what Lester are missing is, is just a guy who is like, and you can do things that someone else can't do.
01:00:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I obviously lost that with visa leaving.
01:00:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah.
01:00:22
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, go to the to the butt crack, but this this was more. Gloucester not playing sticking to their game and playing their game like you could see it every time they decided, oh, right, we can we we can outrun some of these guys, so we should probably just do that.
01:00:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. No, they didn't play their game at all.
01:00:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:40
Jarrod Dyke
and And some of the times the pass wasn't sticking because the ball was wet and they get it, that sucks, that's hard.
01:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:45
Grumpy Old Prop
But that's why you you do it over, it you don't bottle yourself up, you do it over and over again, and then you get it right, and you work from there.
01:00:45
Jarrod Dyke
They can make it really annoying.
01:00:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Because like, as i I texted you, like how much have you, When was the last time you saw as many line breaks as Exeter had where they didn't gain like more than five meters from it?
01:00:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so.
01:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, oh, they missed a tackle, but he's dragged right direct back right down and doesn't move it. Like doesn it doesn't become anything.
01:01:11
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just like, oh, as he gets through the line and then he's tackled. like
01:01:11
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:01:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so many, so many of those are moments that happened. I was like, like roots did it a lot.
01:01:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's that's happening because
01:01:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. rood Yeah. root How are these guys international? I don't get it. Because like, I'm sorry, but if Jack Clements tracking you down from behind, you know, even Lewis Ludlow, not the fastest guy, but if he's tracking you down from behind, you have to miss it.
01:01:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like, both works sucks.
01:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
That's why.
01:01:36
Grumpy Old Prop
If there's someone else missing, technically.
01:01:37
Jarrod Dyke
They made Ludlow look all world at some points.
01:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:40
Jarrod Dyke
and no disrespect to him. But like, if he's looking like he is hands down the best player on the pitch for any length of time longer than two seconds, you're not doing that.
01:01:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
Well, hate to tell you.
01:01:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And I feel like Gloucester, like they had a couple of times where they had a potential at a break. And for some reason they'd be like hesitant. They'd be like, Oh, I don't know if I want to go through that gap.
01:01:57
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And then they'd start and then they'd go and it's like, and it's like, now it's too late.
01:02:01
Jarrod Dyke
Take the bloody gap, would you?
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Like you waited too long. If you had just gone from the start, like they they didn't, they were giving the exit or too much respect.
01:02:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they hesitated.
01:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Not realizing that, no, you're faster than them.
01:02:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Just run through them.
01:02:14
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely.
01:02:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Like the, I think you mentioned it, like the only person on that team who scares me is Hodge. and And maybe Tommy Wyatt, who I think also has a little bit of of of burn to him.
01:02:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:02:23
Jarrod Dyke
Tell me why it looked okay.
01:02:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Ollie Woodburn is a great player, but he's not nearly really as fast as he used to be.
01:02:29
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, like, right.
01:02:31
Jarrod Dyke
Still does a lot of good things, but it's just not that good.
01:02:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And so I'm looking at, you know, Josh Hathaway and Christian Wade and Karanidis and even Max Llewellyn. Those guys should have had a field day all day and it just never materialized.
01:02:46
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:02:46
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
that That was kind of a shame but like you do that you yeah you fuck up and I think um for who had this tempo um Was just kind of a dumb ass like not policing the breakdown at all There's
01:02:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh God.
Rugby Rules and Refereeing Critiques
01:02:59
Grumpy Old Prop
a lot of diving overs a lot of hands on the deck.
01:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um I think was it Was it see or somebody went like way over hands on the deck and then picked up the ball and and I think that comes It was frost I think
01:03:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. i don't remember I know. I remember the moment. but I don't remember who it was though. That would make sense.
01:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um And, but then the comm said something interesting, which was like, normally you put hands on the deck and then someone hits you and then you slide your hands as you're, you're getting in, you know, as you're going backwards.
01:03:27
Grumpy Old Prop
so Right.
01:03:27
Jarrod Dyke
That's what it used to be.
01:03:28
Jarrod Dyke
You can't do that anymore.
01:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
But what I think it was Frost did was he put his hands on the deck. Yeah. And then he so got he stood up and then got the ball like he didn't stand up and he picked his hands up and then got the ball. And technically, yes, you're not allowed to do that. But what they were saying was if there's no ruck there, like you maybe shouldn't just earn it because You know, like the guy did something technically wrong, whereas you never cleared him out.
01:03:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Like he's just sitting there. He had all day to just stand there and get, and so the ref can be like, you know what? Fuck it. I guess we, so we put his hands to the deck. Big deal. There's nobody there to clean them out. So it's not a big deal. So I'm just going to let it go.
01:04:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's kind of fair. So it's like one of these, if you don't, if you're not like, but at the same time, well right.
01:04:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. If you're not there to get rid of him or to or to or to challenge in anything either on either side of the ball like.
01:04:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Challenge him even. Right. Then all right. Let him do it.
01:04:18
Jarrod Dyke
you know, the offy does become a little moot and I and I hate watching stealing off and I hate watching guys put hands to floor while trying to steal the ball.
01:04:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But there was a lot of so yeah there was a lot of ceiling off.
01:04:26
Jarrod Dyke
But if there's no there was and but if you're not there to compete and you're not there to challenge on either in either case, then referees got every right to say, I am not stopping this game because you guys were stupid.
01:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:04:36
Jarrod Dyke
Like that's your own fault.
01:04:39
Grumpy Old Prop
like Because the other times when there are times when guys kind of step out of the rock and so a guy dives over and then they start like, hey, look what he did.
01:04:39
Jarrod Dyke
So I'll give him that.
01:04:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And the ref's like, he backed out of it.
01:04:47
Jarrod Dyke
You stepped out. Shut up.
01:04:48
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the same kind of thing. Like, if you step out of the ruck, then very fine. He got hands on the deck. So what? like Let him poach.
01:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, exactly.
01:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Let the man poach. But either way, kind of shitty. out I wish I'd like i wish i would seen this game and in one of two ways. One is Gloucester pulls their heads out of their asses and and plays a little bit better.
01:05:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And two, Tempo pulls his head out of his ass and referees a little bit better.
01:05:11
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Yes, both both cases. um We'll throw it to, um give me three that outdid themselves.
01:05:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, well, two of them are, are loose forwards for the saints. Um, Henry Pollock and Pearson, um, just massive.
01:05:30
Jarrod Dyke
In Pearson. Yep.
01:05:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:05:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then I kind of want to say Freddie Stewart, like they had, I mean, come to it later, but, uh,
01:05:41
Jarrod Dyke
I had them on my list. Yep.
01:05:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:05:47
Grumpy Old Prop
he No, he had he had it one hell of a performance.
01:05:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:05:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought in a big game Sorry, I'll shut up now Yeah, enough yeah, Haslam Collins had himself a day McCall
01:05:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, although I'll throw quirky in on that Marley and um and then hassle Collins as well. Yeah, um she had it.
01:06:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:06:13
Jarrod Dyke
We'll get to that in a second. I just put Saracens in general, but we'll get to that in a second.
01:06:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Saracen's in general, yeah.
01:06:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um Bristol without AJ.
01:06:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:06:20
Jarrod Dyke
Kata. Yeah, Bristol Fitz.
01:06:24
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:06:25
Jarrod Dyke
Hand in a couple of... Don't hand Ben, carry a fucking try and make him look like an All-Star, will you?
01:06:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yup.
01:06:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that was all.
01:06:29
Jarrod Dyke
Please?
01:06:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, come on now.
01:06:30
Jarrod Dyke
Christ. We don't need that.
01:06:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:32
Jarrod Dyke
Nobody needs that.
01:06:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, Kata, as you said, certainly.
01:06:37
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh. damn lucky to not, like i would ah knowing what what I know about Salmonakata and the way he does things, I'm kind of pissed that Matt Carley said, this guy does this all the fucking time, I'm gonna read him.
01:06:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:06:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yellow. Yeah, exactly.
01:06:51
Jarrod Dyke
but And I understand he he went by the letter of the law and I know that's what we're doing, but fuck, there would have been a point where I've just been like, I think I'm seeing you do this too much, you're off.
01:06:51
Grumpy Old Prop
i don Yeah, yep.
01:06:59
Jarrod Dyke
Bye. I get it, but still it's like, there's almost a point where I want to just say, you know what, nevermind, we're just going to read.
01:07:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:08
Jarrod Dyke
Nevermind. Nevermind, nevermind.
01:07:12
Jarrod Dyke
Ref coach, young player that did, spoiler alert, I don't have a fucking ref. I thought everything was shit about the refereeing this weekend for one reason or another.
01:07:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
01:07:20
Jarrod Dyke
So, I've done that a thousand times.
01:07:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I went with Luke Pierce, but whatever. Um, exactly.
01:07:24
Jarrod Dyke
Like that's the only one, I was like, I'm not doing that one.
01:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
What's the point?
01:07:26
Jarrod Dyke
So, and he else, didn't he do the fricking door taped in Newcastle game?
01:07:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's no, yeah. So it wasn't really a match to, yeah.
01:07:31
Jarrod Dyke
It was a little odd. So yeah, I'm not even doing that. Not worth it.
01:07:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, coaches, as he was, yeah, coaches, once again, check, uh, cause, duh.
01:07:34
Jarrod Dyke
So all you suck less, please.
01:07:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, checks, same. Yep, I'm ah um um' on that one. um
01:07:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, then what was the last one? Oh, try it.
01:07:45
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Young player, young player.
01:07:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, young player. Um, oh, it was Pollock.
01:07:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, I've said Pollock a lot, so he was in my head.
01:07:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
I'll give it to Tommy Wyatt as well.
01:07:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:07:57
Jarrod Dyke
Played well, and i'm not I wasn't overly impressed when I first saw him, but he's growing on me.
01:08:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:01
Jarrod Dyke
He's growing on me a little bit. ah Try of the week.
01:08:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Freddie Stewart.
01:08:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That was all like, you know, he finished it. It was like fucking hell of a team try. And, um, but yeah, no, I thought that was the the best try of the week.
01:08:06
Jarrod Dyke
That's a good one.
01:08:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:08:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I went.
01:08:16
Grumpy Old Prop
play the game, because it mattered.
01:08:16
Jarrod Dyke
I went with it did.
01:08:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It was like, in the game that mattered, it was entertaining.
01:08:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I know that's that. I went from this game to I went with the first merely one that came from the set piece on their own five.
01:08:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:25
Grumpy Old Prop
That was beautiful.
01:08:26
Jarrod Dyke
I think was it Walker or Dom that fed it to him and he just burned everyone. He decided that he was going to just skin Freddie.
01:08:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I think
01:08:34
Jarrod Dyke
He's just like, I see you, Freddie, but I'm running by you.
01:08:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it was, I think it was Dom fed, um, Walker who fed like Dom had an excellent offload and then Walker just popped it off because it's like, all right, you, you finished this.
01:08:41
Jarrod Dyke
That was it.
01:08:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. That sounds right. Yeah. Yeah. They knew that wasn't happening.
01:08:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
Uh,
Game Strategies and Team Criticisms
01:08:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Do you tick? Oh, um, player of the week for me.
01:08:51
Jarrod Dyke
we on player of the week.
01:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
01:08:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, I think that would then it would be Caden Murley. Actually, no, I'm sorry. Alex Dombrandt.
01:09:01
Jarrod Dyke
Good one.
01:09:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, missed note. um Yeah, no, he like certainly is putting his hand up for Bortho to be like, hey, maybe you should reconsider, because I can do all of this shit.
01:09:07
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Yeah, I went having watched him just throttle us emphatically.
01:09:17
Jarrod Dyke
I went with William here, the horse.
01:09:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, fuck. I blocked that game out. I don't want to talk about it.
01:09:23
Jarrod Dyke
I tried to, but I couldn't.
01:09:25
Grumpy Old Prop
He was amazing.
01:09:26
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and from that same game, my dick of the week goes to Mark McCall and Joe Shaw, like from our sources, there were only a few guys that were actually arrested, but I think a lot of them were considered injured, but they were just having, they just had knocks and like,
01:09:31
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
01:09:37
Grumpy Old Prop
right
01:09:44
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, like, even fucking Toby Knight, you idiot.
01:09:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right Yeah, well Toby night what's my dick of the week cuz I I tried I was I was mad about it cuz I was like, oh he dipped but then I saw the replays like he didn't dip No, it was just always high
01:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
um Oh, oh, he he's worthy. He is worthy.
01:09:59
Jarrod Dyke
who He was always high and he was just ah fucking asshole. So, yeah, like, McCall and Shaw, oh, answers to every everyone because that was dog shit that was put out there.
01:10:05
Grumpy Old Prop
like i'm sorry i know he's and yeah
01:10:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah The other yeah, and the other thing was I know we're not and't talked about it or we're not gonna talk about it more But it's like the one what if you notice what bath did was they got the ball in there and they ran with it They tried to spot holes in the the Saracens defense and and make holes in the Saracens defense. Whereas Sarah's just fucking kicked it again It's like maybe we'll do well, maybe but it's like yeah if you ever noticed like ball in hand and gets you points.
01:10:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Like not this put it up in the air and we'll see what happens.
01:10:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
01:10:40
Grumpy Old Prop
and And like, that's not, that's not the way rugby is done these days.
01:10:46
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, we talked about it with other, other coaches who are doing it, you know, maybe it's not what they want to do, but they're realizing what's what they have to do. And I know McCall knows it. I just feel like he puts it away in the the dead of winter like this.
01:10:46
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:10:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And I just don't like it.
01:10:59
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't either. I feel like Joe Shaw is supposed to be the guy that checks him and says, no, no, no, we need to do this otherwise because we're going to get humped.
01:11:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:08
Jarrod Dyke
And maybe he tries to, or maybe Joe Shaw is a part of it. I'm not sure.
01:11:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know.
01:11:12
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but either the way, someone in that room needs to just like put the, put their two cents in and be the asshole that maybe gets fired, but also kind of wakes them up and says, uh, guys, this is a terrible idea because we're going to get slaughtered.
01:11:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:24
Jarrod Dyke
And lo and behold, you know, Beth, what's 60 odd on us. And it's like, eh, anybody else kind of regretting that decision because I am so anyway,
01:11:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:38
Jarrod Dyke
Damn it. All right. Uh, we're gonna go to pick them.
01:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
01:11:41
Jarrod Dyke
How are we doing? How are we doing on time here? Oh, now look at me shooting for fricking 115 and getting damn close to it.
01:11:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Nice.
01:11:50
Jarrod Dyke
As long as my computer art cooperates here. There we go. Okay. Well, I mean, first one is not going to be hard.
01:11:59
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:12:00
Jarrod Dyke
ands It's Newcastle against Gwen's.
01:12:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, let's, let's quit.
01:12:04
Jarrod Dyke
It's Gwen's. Um, Gloucester sale.
01:12:12
Grumpy Old Prop
gloucester
01:12:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I will say this. This is like my last nerve. I'm on with Gloucester. They need to write the ship with this game. Otherwise they're not really that improved.
01:12:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, this is what's the game they should they should win they're at home They you know, we've said we they can play a little bit. They're not Like they're not awful.
01:12:33
Grumpy Old Prop
They're just not like they're not they don't always hit on all cylinders But this is the game where they need to so let's see if they do it
01:12:36
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:12:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Uh, Lester Exeter.
01:12:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester their home and they're much better Yeah, I'm still going with Saracens on this one Yeah, but I Don't that's the thing.
01:12:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:12:46
Jarrod Dyke
Saracen's Bristol with Harry Byrne potentially in the team, the new Loney for Bristol, answering their fly off problems. I am too. They need to win this game and fucking write that ship.
01:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
Although Bristol do too. I'm sure this will be better played by both teams.
01:13:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it will be better played by Saracens I don't know the Bristol are gonna play better than than they they are without AJ in this match in
01:13:08
Jarrod Dyke
They, I'm guessing they won't have a Betoya either after that Hammy pull.
01:13:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right so Because they're back three is lean at the moment
01:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
So hopefully some guys get healthy for the boys in black.
Bath Rugby Team Performance
01:13:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's a little, might put him at 14.
01:13:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Too so they're they're yeah, that's why I'm just not um, they might put that I wonder if they're gonna put revovo out there Yeah, because then you you take uh, like I guess Williams is still hurt Hudson too Okay, cool, then then he's probably gonna be at yeah
01:13:32
Jarrod Dyke
No, he he came into this game, this last game. So yeah, you put Williams in and Ben Rensberg in there. Yep.
01:13:39
Grumpy Old Prop
So, but either way, I don't think that's enough to beat, I don't think that's enough to beat Cyrus.
01:13:39
Jarrod Dyke
I think that's right. I think that might be on to something.
01:13:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Uh, Northampton and Bath.
01:13:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I got saints at home.
01:13:49
Jarrod Dyke
See, I'm going to, while Northampton have vastly improved, I still don't think they've improved enough from that game that they're going to be able to overturn Bath. I know they're at home.
01:13:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:14:00
Jarrod Dyke
That's probably the one thing that's in their favor for sure.
01:14:01
Grumpy Old Prop
That was it that, yeah.
01:14:02
Jarrod Dyke
And Alex Mitchell is unbelievable. And I get it.
01:14:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:14:06
Jarrod Dyke
But at the same time, this bath machine seems to just keep on cranking with Finn at it. And I'm scared.
01:14:10
Grumpy Old Prop
They're scary, they're scary.
01:14:12
Jarrod Dyke
ah The the you know Red Path is back at his best, which is not a good thing for anybody else in the league.
01:14:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:14:19
Grumpy Old Prop
But this this match, I think they crack a hundred points.
01:14:19
Jarrod Dyke
So.
01:14:23
Jarrod Dyke
The overall scoreboard, you mean?
01:14:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:14:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it just might.
01:14:26
Grumpy Old Prop
That's my prediction for it.
01:14:27
Jarrod Dyke
I hope this is the one that's free on TRN. That'd be great.
01:14:29
Grumpy Old Prop
If you, so, so you know, know wet we don't promote sports wagering, as you well know, if you've listened to the show.
01:14:41
Grumpy Old Prop
In this case, I will say if you go, you know, if if you if you do that, I would take the over in this. I don't always say that, um but I think the last time I
01:14:47
Jarrod Dyke
depending on what it is.
Conclusion and Community Engagement
01:14:50
Grumpy Old Prop
did, I regretted not going into a book when we were over in England.
01:14:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause I was like, Oh, I should put down more than that, but yeah.
01:14:54
Jarrod Dyke
You should have put down a fucking fiber, you knucklehead.
01:14:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, probably true, but yeah, you definitely should have put down at least a fiber on that and we could have drank it. We would have drank it, but you know.
01:15:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Oh, exactly.
01:15:07
Jarrod Dyke
It would have been free beer, all right.
01:15:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. pre hereer like for all the Ruggers.
01:15:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
01:15:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, free beer for all the Ruggers.
01:15:16
Jarrod Dyke
All right. So that's that. We're going to head over to Fancy Corner in just a little bit. um We appreciate you all listening to us talk about end of your stuff and Babylon just a little bit more into your year. If you guys join us over with the Fantasy Corner, we'll see you there.
01:15:29
Jarrod Dyke
If not, enjoy the round of Prem coming up here and we'll talk to you guys next week. Have a good one, everyone.
01:15:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:15:35
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.