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S1 E4 S.I.P.A. Paranormal Chronicles - Paranormal Equipment
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This week's episode is talking about Paranormal Equipment.
What are the basic requirements you need for a good investigation?
Before you buy the gadgets, you need to master the simplest of things.
Buy what you can afford, do not break the bank :)
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Transcript
Intro
Welcome to Seepers Paranormal Chronicles
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello, hello, welcome to Seepers Paranormal Chronicles. It's your resident host, Lee, and once again, we can welcome back Megan and Crazy Joe.
00:00:25
Megan andersonc
Bye.
00:00:31
Jo
Nope. I mean, hello everyone. How are you today?
00:00:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, in case anybody's wondering, the way that we keep up with Joe is plenty of alcohol. yeah That's the only way to cope with him on a regular basis.
00:00:45
Jo
Oh, I've got alcohol for me.
00:00:47
Lee Hatfield
It can be.
Paranormal Equipment Essentials
00:00:49
Lee Hatfield
OK, so this week we're going to be talking about paranormal equipment. What do we need, what we don't need and everything in between.
00:01:01
Lee Hatfield
So I'm going to start with a question. Meghan, as a paranormal investigator, what equipment do you currently have?
00:01:04
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:01:09
Megan andersonc
So I have a REM pod. I have a spirit box. I have a K2. I have rods. I have recorder, flashlight, pen and paper, and extra batteries.
00:01:31
Megan andersonc
And that's kind of mostly what I have for my little starter.
00:01:36
Lee Hatfield
And Joe, I know, yeah, that's a little star there.
00:01:37
Jo
That's a little starter.
00:01:39
Megan andersonc
Compared to some people, they have like truckloads and I just have my little things and everything of mine is pink, by the way.
00:01:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, she's actually got a pink, around but pink REM pod.
00:01:48
Megan andersonc
Pink everything.
00:01:51
Lee Hatfield
It's like,
00:01:51
Megan andersonc
Yes, Morticia is her name. I'm thinking about putting lashes on her.
00:01:57
Megan andersonc
I should show you guys.
00:01:57
Lee Hatfield
the Yeah, bring it on to the next episode, and it's all like, yeah, I'm going to start taking Valium or something.
00:02:01
Megan andersonc
Okay, I will.
Note-taking and Observation Importance
00:02:06
Lee Hatfield
Joe, i know I know you haven't done an investigation for a while, but do you still have any equipment?
00:02:12
Jo
It's pink to hold on I've got this And what it happens I had the ghost play it and when they play its entire tune no, I I do have oh Look at that Fancy. It's a recorder of a different time and a flashlight and I probably pen and paper somewhere around here, you know, but flashlight and recorder.
00:02:38
Megan andersonc
Then.
00:02:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah, and people think that pen and paper, so like but it's that's one of the go-tos. You need a pen and paper, every single investigation.
00:02:54
Lee Hatfield
If you're going to draw or if you if you want to do your baseline observations, your temperature, your electric magnetic field recordings, and you need something to make notes for a start.
00:02:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:08
Lee Hatfield
You need to make notes of where people are, the location, if it's a big location. yeah If you're in a ah ah building that's got a lot of artifacts or yeah if you're in a museum, if anything makes a noise, if you if you walk past it, yeah draw a plan. There's a door here. There's a draft here.
00:03:30
Lee Hatfield
yeah this yeah This is hanging from the ceiling.
00:03:30
Jo
Yep.
00:03:34
Lee Hatfield
yeah If you bush past it, it's going to make a noise.
00:03:35
Megan andersonc
Mm hmm.
00:03:37
Lee Hatfield
yeah Make sure that you put down all that information because it's going to help you in the long run. If you get an unrecognized sound, you go, hang on a minute, I was in this room and I may have bush past that those wind chimes.
00:03:51
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah So it's not as far fetched as it sounds to have a pen and paper. so
00:03:59
Jo
No, absolutely, because okay, if you take it from the point of view of you being a ex-paramedic, you had a pen and paper with you, I'm guessing, because you had to write down what the temperature was, what time, you know, a wristwatch that's not gonna pick up on the audio.
00:04:08
Lee Hatfield
one
00:04:08
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:04:09
Lee Hatfield
exactly
00:04:12
Lee Hatfield
Exactly Yeah Exactly Yeah, yeah, and it's not everything's not all about bells and whistles.
00:04:16
Jo
you You need that stuff to take your notes.
00:04:23
Lee Hatfield
It's some of the basic things that you need So yeah, I've got some exhibit A's
00:04:29
Jo
Okay.
00:04:30
Lee Hatfield
You've got a typical video camera. As long as it's got eye on and you can hold it. You've got your fingers readily for the record button. Make sure to take the lens cap off if you've got a lens cap on it.
00:04:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:44
Lee Hatfield
In there, done that. And like these can be anything in between $100 and $200. Not that expensive, but yeah some people can't afford them. At the end of the day, in this day and age, everyone's got cameras on their phones. So as long as the phone the cell phone is put into airplane mode, you can use a video on your on your camp on the on the cell phone. yeah Audio device. I've got one similar to what Joe's got.
00:05:15
Jo
sir There you go.
00:05:15
Lee Hatfield
this This is a great one because it it can plug straight into the USB. So you can download it onto your computer as soon as you're finished. ah ah straight yeah Easy stuff. Apart from a flashlight, you don't need anything else to go investigate it. Because if you want to record an electronic voice phenomena, you've got your audio device and you've got your video. yeah If you see an apparition, you've got your video. If you're doing a Q and&A, a question and answer,
00:05:45
Lee Hatfield
You've got your audio and you've got your video that both be record. You've got those on your cell phone as well. So you don't really need that much equipment to go on an investigation. If you go on a public investigation, you pay your money, you turn up. If you've got those basics, you're made for the evening because these investigations, they will provide all the all the nice little bells and whistles gadgets that you can use. They're already there, so you don't have to go out and buy them.
00:06:15
Lee Hatfield
But there's plenty of websites nowadays that will, where you can buy, just about, you name it, they they will sell it to you.
00:06:28
Lee Hatfield
with And they will put Ghost in front of the title or Power Normal.
00:06:31
Jo
Yes.
00:06:34
Lee Hatfield
You don't need all the all these fancy gadgets.
Understanding False Positives
00:06:37
Lee Hatfield
They're nice to have. A lot of them produce false negatives. And if you don't know what a false negative is, Joe is about to tell you.
00:06:47
Jo
False, negative or false, positive? False, positive means use spirit is, yeah, is gonna be there, but it's really just something else.
00:06:51
Lee Hatfield
False positive.
00:06:55
Jo
And these are the things that, I was pitching a show called Humbug where it was, can we see if it is actually a haunting or a paranormal or something else going on? And part of the series, I was making purposeful false positives.
00:07:16
Lee Hatfield
sharing
00:07:16
Jo
because the more expensive the equipment is, the more electronic it is, the easier it is to fool. That's one-on-one. I was making EVPs go off by holding my like cell phone battery next to it. And like, oh, look, it's a ghost. Like, no, it's just me palming a cell phone battery.
00:07:35
Lee Hatfield
And that's one thing that you've got to be extremely careful of. yeah All these sensitive gadgets, if you've got a walkie talkie or you've got your cell phone, in certain scenarios, a lot of these gadgets will be activated by modern technology.
00:07:53
Jo
right spirit boxes we've already been through those where oh it sounds like this like well yeah of course it sounds like this it's radio static it might be something cutting through it that's not an extra you know a spirit of what that is just static
00:08:06
Megan andersonc
Mm
00:08:07
Lee Hatfield
and
00:08:10
Lee Hatfield
I say and one of the basic things that a lot of people rely on. Every single person has them. Your sight. Your hearing. Your smell. And some people can refer to it as a sixth sense when you just feel that the atmosphere is different.
00:08:35
Lee Hatfield
You can sense that it's heavy. Excuse me, I'm about to sniff.
00:08:41
Lee Hatfield
I apologize that Megan and Joe just got covered in snot.
00:08:45
Jo
What was that? I can't hear anything.
00:08:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:47
Jo
I was waiting for it.
00:08:47
Megan andersonc
We didn't even flinch.
00:08:48
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, i yes yay my live on the podcast. Yeah, so yeah using your senses, you don't need all the technical equipment, just trust your your body, so to speak.
00:08:58
Jo
yeah
00:09:04
Lee Hatfield
If you hear something, once you can rule out anything natural, yeah then can then you can start to consider it. And a perfect example, I was at a prison as an investigator, not an inmate before you say anything,
00:09:20
Jo
Cut.
00:09:22
Lee Hatfield
And I was in a room with two other guys and the closest guy was probably about 20 foot away from me. And the next guy was probably about another five to 10 feet past them. The closest guy closest guy to me was talking. I'm walking around with my camera. I'm also wearing a body cam and I've got my audio device. I walk out into the corridor.
00:09:48
Lee Hatfield
and there was a wall on your left so the only way you could go was right. I put my camera down the corridor and as I turned back in again to go back in the room over all three devices I just heard like a whoa and it's like hang on a minute and it wasn't the closest guy to me because you could hear him talking through the entire audio and video clip. It wasn't the guy past him because the sound sounded like it was right next door to me. So as soon as I heard it on the audio, I immediately went to the video and I caught it on the video, just the noise. And I also caught it on my body cam, but I never heard it at the time.
00:10:41
Lee Hatfield
So to have multiple devices, multiple tools, catching the same evidence, proves it out obviously proves that all three of them picked it up. But it wasn't something that was I brushed past or somebody made a sound, because there was nobody else down the corridor. The closest guy to me in the room was still talking, and you could hear him. And then this this noise came. And this was the same location that on a previous investigation
00:11:13
Lee Hatfield
I was in this in that room by myself. And as soon as I asked a question, if there's anybody there, and yeah odd I'd appreciate if anybody could make a response. I got a double breath straight after my question.
Mapping Locations and Documentation
00:11:27
Lee Hatfield
And Joe checked that through all his little gadgets.
00:11:31
Jo
My fancy stuff.
00:11:32
Lee Hatfield
And and he had a wavelength to say, yeah this is your voice. This was a double breath.
00:11:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:37
Lee Hatfield
And it was two different wavelengths.
00:11:40
Jo
Yeah. And that brings to the other point, we made a a different podcast episode where it's a lot of recording and then even more going through the evidence, like that small thing right there took like a half hour.
00:11:56
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:11:56
Jo
of just listening, cleaning, listening, amping, going through. Does it match this? Does it match that? Does it match this?
00:12:06
Jo
And that was like maybe a second clip.
00:12:06
Lee Hatfield
said and
00:12:08
Lee Hatfield
yeah and that's one of the reasons why you don't skip a single second of when you're reviewing the evidence because you could you could you could miss out on a complete mind-blowing revelation.
00:12:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:19
Megan andersonc
Yeah. but
00:12:21
Lee Hatfield
So we've mentioned about having a nope notebook and pen. If you are going to go into a multi-room location try and draw a map of where you're going each room if you've got a door if you've got windows because if people say oh well something moves in this room and then you go up to the window and you have something that measures wind if you put it up to the window and this fan's happily blowing away you know that there's a draft coming through so if they're saying oh a curtain moves you can probably rule it out by having
00:13:02
Lee Hatfield
a device that measures wind and and such light. So one thing that people tend to forget is cameras powered by batteries, audio devices powered by batteries, flashlights, guess what?
00:13:23
Lee Hatfield
Powered by batteries.
00:13:23
Jo
Gremlins. Oh, dang it.
00:13:25
Lee Hatfield
powered by gremlins.
00:13:27
Jo
So I thought that was the one.
00:13:27
Lee Hatfield
Everything is always, you know, you need extra batteries. Don't forget the extra batteries.
00:13:31
Jo
Yes.
00:13:33
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:13:35
Lee Hatfield
And I know for a fact, because I've done it, if you've got a video recorder and it's got an external mic, the external mic has a battery in it that's plugged into the video recorder.
00:13:47
Lee Hatfield
Make sure that you turn the mic on. I haven't done that. i hope it's scott And if it's got a lens cap,
00:13:51
Megan andersonc
I've done that.
00:13:56
Lee Hatfield
Don't forget to take the lens cap off.
00:13:56
Megan andersonc
pick it off
00:13:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, guilty as charged.
00:13:59
Megan andersonc
I've done that. I've done that.
00:14:02
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah some of the things, if you've got cameras, if you've got more than one, it's always great to have, if you've got a hotspot, is to put a camera on a tripod. If you've got an external power so supply to the camera, you don't have to worry about batteries.
00:14:27
Lee Hatfield
So, Megan, you've got audio, but you haven't got a camera, is that correct?
00:14:33
Megan andersonc
Yes, that's correct.
00:14:36
Megan andersonc
I did have the camera.
00:14:36
Lee Hatfield
So, do you ever use your cam? Say that again.
00:14:40
Megan andersonc
I did have a camera, but not anymore. I'm looking to get a new one.
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
OK. OK. But like I say, yeah with regard to your video, Like, make sure that you've got one that's got IR on it, infrared.
00:14:53
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:14:54
Lee Hatfield
Otherwise, when you go lights out, your camera won't pick up anything ah apart from blackness.
00:14:57
Megan andersonc
You see nothing.
00:15:02
Lee Hatfield
and That defeats the object.
00:15:03
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:15:05
Lee Hatfield
Been there, done that, forgot yeah forgot to turn the IR on. I'm thinking all through the night, got nothing because I forgot to turn the IR on.
00:15:12
Megan andersonc
It's an easy mistake though. You just assume. I've probably done it before.
00:15:16
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so yeah so so now we have checklists. So have you turned the IR on on the cameras?
00:15:21
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:15:24
Lee Hatfield
Have we made sure they've got a power supply? So you can go around to location and set cameras up and we have a checklist. Have you turned the microphones on?
00:15:32
Megan andersonc
ye
00:15:35
Lee Hatfield
Have you turned the cameras on? you um yeah a And we and we check we check boxes all the way through.
00:15:43
Lee Hatfield
Walkie talkers,
00:15:46
Lee Hatfield
depending on how you use them, can be good if it's a big location. However, yeah, there's a lot of devices that can be affected by cell phones and walkie talkies, so if you don't have to use one, don't.
00:15:55
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:16:01
Megan andersonc
No.
00:16:01
Jo
Yeah, have you used walkie talkies?
00:16:03
Jo
I've not on location because our location has really been small.
00:16:05
Lee Hatfield
No. Yeah, exactly.
00:16:07
Megan andersonc
I've been in investigations where they have used them.
00:16:08
Lee Hatfield
and
00:16:10
Jo
Have you?
00:16:11
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:16:13
Jo
How do you differentiate between a walkie talkie static, possibly static, and the actual EVP?
00:16:22
Lee Hatfield
be in touch.
00:16:22
Megan andersonc
Honestly, I don't think you can. Like, I don't know. i When we did them half, we're like, yes, let's use them half. We're not like them. I didn't like them personally, because how do you know that someone that's upstairs isn't doing an EP session and need everything quiet.
00:16:34
Lee Hatfield
Hello.
00:16:38
Megan andersonc
Then all of a sudden, like someone gets right on the mickey and likes to talk.
00:16:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:41
Megan andersonc
I find that distracting. And when we were so close together in different rooms, I did notice it did set off devices, or but how do you know? Right? Like you don't know.
00:16:52
Jo
Yeah, it's it's less for you, ah ah more for you to go through. Just like a lot of them are going to be even Bluetooth, it still affects things.
00:16:55
Megan andersonc
eight
00:16:59
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:17:00
Jo
Like as Leah was saying, airplane mode's your friend. So the more you bring into investigation, there's more things that can play against each other.
00:17:08
Megan andersonc
Yeah, I agree.
00:17:09
Jo
And that's what kind of like the old like piece of paper, pen, and a flashlight.
00:17:13
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:17:15
Megan andersonc
It also echoes really bad, which people don't realize, especially when you're in abandoned places, they really echo.
00:17:15
Jo
If you really want to record, record her here.
00:17:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:17:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:17:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:22
Megan andersonc
So maybe they can hear something, but it could be the echo of the walkie talkies.
00:17:28
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, there's there's a lot of lot of things that can go wrong with the more technical equipment that you have.
00:17:33
Megan andersonc
ye
00:17:37
Lee Hatfield
But sticking to the basics, like a toolkit, a very small toolkit will come in handy because a lot of these lot of these little devices yeah when you change the battery I've got little screws so it's always good to bring your little screwdriver with you so you can change the batteries otherwise that's different for the rest of the night yeah and I have not I would if anybody would like to buy me one I would they very much appreciate it oh yeah
00:17:54
Jo
Yes.
00:17:55
Megan andersonc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:03
Jo
Have you used LiDAR, the light detection but ranging whatever it is?
00:18:09
Megan andersonc
No.
00:18:14
Jo
I've seen it on T and E channel before, and they look amazing, but you know for stuff like that is like, you can have the Spirit, the Ouija board, electronic Ouija boards, right? like they They pop up the but letters like a speaking spell now, or the LiDAR game system where it just looks like Ghostbusters, like the goggles from Ghostbusters.
00:18:38
Jo
At what point do you think people are over relying on technology than just their own senses?
00:18:44
Lee Hatfield
Well, a perfect example. We went to a location and this individual was adamant that she'd got spirits in the house.
00:19:00
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely adamant.
00:19:01
Jo
Right.
00:19:02
Lee Hatfield
And when we turned up, she'd got her cell phone, she switched on Snapchat, and she was walking around the house going, there's a spirit, there's a spirit.
00:19:19
Lee Hatfield
And because the Snapchat will pick up or try to identify anything as a human face, if she'd got a cushion that was could dimpled or whatever, it was trying to make it into her face.
00:19:34
Lee Hatfield
So everything she saw was a spirit. And in the end, it's like, no, it's yeah you need to stop using Snapchat.
00:19:40
Megan andersonc
I love that. I love it.
00:19:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so it's like, yeah.
00:19:44
Megan andersonc
I think it's so, I think we could do that. We should do that in best of niches.
00:19:44
Jo
yeah
00:19:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, I recommend that everybody starts using Snapchat and let's see some of the evidence that we get, because ghosts will be everywhere.
00:19:57
Jo
Yeah, it's the filters.
00:19:58
Lee Hatfield
everybody Everybody will be able to see one.
00:19:59
Jo
Nice.
00:19:59
Megan andersonc
I know.
00:20:02
Jo
No.
00:20:02
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, yeah, you've you've got to you've got to know what you're using.
00:20:07
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:20:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:09
Lee Hatfield
B, you've got to know how to use it. And C, you've got to know what to do if it goes wrong.
00:20:16
Megan andersonc
ye Yeah.
00:20:17
Lee Hatfield
so it's So it's all good and well having a video camera, but if you so hit something or touch something and it goes out of focus and you don't know how to put it back in the focus because you have not read the manual, it's junk for the night.
00:20:33
Jo
Right.
00:20:36
Lee Hatfield
so yeah So no matter what piece of equipment you use, make sure you read the manual, make sure you know how to use that equipment inside out. And plus, If you get false positives because of the equipment's doing X, Y and Z, then you can rule that out yourself rather than sending that that recording to somebody and they go, did you have this switch done on your camera? Yes, that'd be why that's doing that then. And it makes you look a bit foolish.
00:21:03
Megan andersonc
And I'm pretty sure too with some of the equipment like you can tell when the batteries are starting to die too because they'll be like funky on you as well.
00:21:09
Lee Hatfield
one
00:21:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:21:12
Megan andersonc
Especially REM pods for sure.
00:21:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so a lot of people don't believe in REM pods and I've got one here without the antenna. So for all those that don't know, it's a proximity device. You've got the antenna here. As soon as you come up close to it, the lights will flash and it will make an audio sound. Some people don't don't like them because they can be activated by cell phones and walkie talkies.
00:21:45
Lee Hatfield
However, if you're in a building that's got no power to the building and you put it in the middle of a room and there's nothing that can make it activate and it goes off, something has to be close to it. Granted, it could be yeah it's not going to be activated by dust because they're not that sensitive.
00:22:10
Lee Hatfield
but something has to be close to it to activate it. So as long as you can say, hand on heart, my phone switched off, or it's on airplane mode, or my walkie talkies are switched off, and something goes off, it's gotta to put it's got to put a few more questions into your head, for sure.
Tech Gadgets: Cautions and Advice
00:22:31
Lee Hatfield
so One thing, yeah so using the the apps that are on the cell phones as well, a lot of these apps can be a little bit dubious as well.
00:22:43
Jo
Right.
00:22:43
Lee Hatfield
Are they listening to what you're saying and then come out with relevant words?
00:22:49
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:22:50
Lee Hatfield
But like I said in the previous podcast, if if a word comes out, don't put that word into the investigation.
00:22:57
Megan andersonc
No.
00:22:58
Lee Hatfield
It has to connect to the investigation, not just a random word. So some of the things apart from what we've already mentioned, I've already mentioned the the anometer for wind speed, wind pressure and biometric pressure comes in handy if you're in a drafty room you can isolate where the drafts are coming from. I've already mentioned your audio device
00:23:27
Lee Hatfield
An absolute must-have comes in very handy. In a previous episode, we mentioned black mold we cut detectors. yeah If you're going to do it the right way, then you have to rule out every natural phenomena before you start.
00:23:46
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:23:47
Jo
Oh, absolutely. you You can go to a hardware store and pick up a lot of great gear for under $100 total.
00:23:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, absolutely.
00:23:54
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:23:54
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely.
00:23:54
Jo
But heat mapping itself is priceless.
00:23:55
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah, one thing that you see a lot of paranormal teams use are cat balls, motion-activated light balls. So you switch them on and you put them on a surface and you walk away. They're activated by touch and vibration. So in an ideal world, if you're nowhere near it and you're on a concrete floor, by stamping on the floor you're not going to activate the cat ball.
00:24:28
Lee Hatfield
But if it goes off, what's caused it to go off? Like I say, they are there's a lot of questionable evidence because they can activate by like say by motion, touching and and vibration. So, yeah, you've got to be very cautious when you're using some of these some of these devices.
00:24:53
Jo
Well, absolutely. But you can also make, we used to use a flashlight that I rigged, so it would go on or off, not by the button.
00:25:02
Megan andersonc
Oh, yes.
00:25:04
Jo
So you're like, please, do you know, whatever it is, it kind of like, doop.
00:25:04
Lee Hatfield
yep so yeah so the device yeah if you've got a little mag light you can turn it on just to the point of contact but it's not on put it on a location and it lights up potentially by a spirit however there's a lot of evidence to say or what it is because you're technically shorting the light
00:25:05
Megan andersonc
I've seen this. Yeah.
00:25:16
Jo
Yeah.
00:25:35
Lee Hatfield
it's putting the element of the light on itself on the flashlight and then it cools down and it goes out but if that was the case all the time there would be a rhythm to it short
00:25:50
Jo
right
00:25:52
Lee Hatfield
turn the light on, on the element, cool down, switch it off, and then it goes through it again. And it would be kind of in a nice little rhythm. But if it's doing it randomly, but if you answer a question and it goes off, and then you ask for a response and it yeah so it comes on and then goes off, is that paranormal activity?
00:26:10
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:26:18
Lee Hatfield
We can't say for definite,
00:26:20
Megan andersonc
Right.
00:26:21
Lee Hatfield
But you've always got that potential that yeah the scientists go, well, you shorten the sure shorten the flashlight. So it's doing that. But there must be times when it goes off where you can say, well, it's not doing it regularly enough for it to be a shortening of the the power.
00:26:39
Jo
Yeah, and it's doing it in twat, you know, twos. Two for yes, one for no.
00:26:44
Megan andersonc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:44
Jo
I can't explain it.
00:26:45
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Yeah.
00:26:49
Jo
So what it is.
00:26:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and one thing that I've got that's really good is an EMF recorder, electromagnetic field.
00:26:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:26:57
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:26:59
Lee Hatfield
Some people have the K2s, which are basically just little lights, green to red, so the higher the EMF reading, it will go from red to amber to orange to red, so from green to red, sorry. But this one that I've got, in the Tri-Field, is more accurate and it has a numeric recording on it. So if you put it up to electrical electrical device and it will get a really high reading and it will actually spike as well so you can see how far or how high.
00:27:37
Lee Hatfield
the recording went. Those things things can be really handy, especially when you're in a place that hasn't got electricity around it.
00:27:39
Jo
Right.
00:27:47
Lee Hatfield
But what I always do, I i will always walk around a location before with my EMF reader and pinpoint if there's any high spots and then make make make a record on my notepad of where that hotspot is.
00:28:02
Lee Hatfield
Remember going to a location, where somebody was saying, oh, if you sit at this table, you get a lot of activity. And we was on like the third floor. So, like okay, what's below? Oh, it's exactly the same layout, but it's occupied by a private residence. Okay, so I'll put the EMF meter on the table.
00:28:26
Lee Hatfield
little bit high, higher than what it should have been in the middle of a room, put it to the floor and it went off the scale.
00:28:33
Jo
Right.
00:28:33
Lee Hatfield
And she said that it was an exact copy downstairs and upstairs, so what was above me was a light fitting, so below me would have been a light fitting.
00:28:42
Megan andersonc
Oh.
00:28:43
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:44
Lee Hatfield
So it was going off because there was a potential electronic fault with the with a light fitting causing high EMF
00:28:53
Jo
More common than not.
00:28:55
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:55
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:28:55
Jo
Stuff like that, yeah.
00:28:56
Lee Hatfield
Especially in older homes.
00:29:00
Jo
For just Canada in general.
00:29:00
Lee Hatfield
and Yeah, yeah. One thing that people swear by as well is the ghost box.
00:29:05
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:29:07
Lee Hatfield
This is an SB11. You've got AM and FM on it. And it can scan forwards, it can scan backwards, and you can you can change the speed.
00:29:18
Lee Hatfield
This is what's used in the Esther's method as well. A lot of people go, well, you are picking up radio stations, but in reality, it's going past that fast that it's not going to pick up any music. It's not going to pick up the DJ.
00:29:36
Lee Hatfield
So some people don't believe in them, but a lot of people do use them to see how they they work. Like I say, there's different different types and varieties. There's another version of a similar thing called a ghost box portal, which is a much of a it's like the size of a vintage radio.
00:29:59
Lee Hatfield
So that kind of thing, yeah similar sort of process, it scans frequencies and allegedly you're able to pick out words. Words that are relevant to the investigation, not random.
00:30:12
Lee Hatfield
yeah If it's a Monday and you ask what day it is and you hear a Monday, that's relative to the investigation.
00:30:13
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:30:20
Lee Hatfield
If you say what day it is and you get a beefcake, it's not relevant to the investigation.
00:30:25
Megan andersonc
No.
00:30:26
Jo
Oh, it is a farm there because it knows it's talking about me.
00:30:28
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:30:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, we're not going to talk about food all the time.
00:30:30
Jo
It's a beefcake. It's a Monday.
00:30:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So there's many, many, many different pieces of equipment. Yeah. Like I have a body a body cam that's on the entire time of the investigation.
00:30:46
Lee Hatfield
Some of the bigger, but bigger teams have multiple cameras in static locations.
00:30:52
Megan andersonc
yeah.
00:30:53
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:55
Lee Hatfield
Megan and I have both been on them where you've got six static cameras, they record audio, they do infrared.
00:30:59
Megan andersonc
yep.
00:31:02
Lee Hatfield
so But again, in theory, you've got all that evidence to of review. However, a lot of these bigger systems a more conscious of movement.
00:31:19
Lee Hatfield
So you can look through the log and if there's no movement, you don't really have to review the evidence. But if there's movement and there's nobody in the room, that's when you have to review it.
00:31:29
Jo
Right.
00:31:31
Lee Hatfield
So we mentioned the REM pod, there's different REM pods.
00:31:37
Lee Hatfield
We've got our team's got a REM pod that's in the shape of a ah ah cigarette box and the cigarette coming out of it is the antenna. That's activated when there's been nobody close by.
00:31:45
Megan andersonc
That's cool.
00:31:49
Lee Hatfield
So, like I say, there's so many different gadgets that you can use, but you've got to split it between monitoring equipment, stuff you can buy in the hardware store, to pseudoscience equipment, your REM pods, all your little toys and gadgets. Because if you've got a thermal camera, then you can see if there's any heat changes.
00:32:16
Lee Hatfield
That's natural phenomena. That's nothing to do with paranormal.
00:32:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:32:19
Lee Hatfield
However, if you see a cold spot in a corridor, then yeah what is it?
00:32:24
Megan andersonc
Mm hmm.
00:32:26
Lee Hatfield
So it's always good to have so some sort of thermometer as well, not the old store that used to stick under your tongue when you was a kid. But if you get like an electronic thermometer,
00:32:37
Lee Hatfield
If there's cold spots, you'll get a dropping temperature. So it's always good to take a baseline recordings throughout the building.
00:32:49
Lee Hatfield
EMF, like wind pressure, if you're in a drafted premise, thermometers, stuff like that, to get a baseline of what's happening.
00:33:00
Lee Hatfield
So if you get a cold spot or you get a hot spot, then you can record it accordingly.
00:33:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:33:06
Jo
And be wary of that because like if you are a house inspector, you know that some people just don't insulate everywhere equally.
00:33:13
Megan andersonc
ye Yeah.
00:33:14
Jo
So you're going to have some cold spots, but they're always going to be their area.
00:33:16
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:33:18
Jo
The cold spots we're talking about for paranormal, the ones that move versus this is like, oh, that's just bad installation.
00:33:23
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:33:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure. I like to say, and i I tend to be the the dude that buys all the technical equipment, all the monitoring stuff. So the stuff that that will measure natural phenomena and then I have a few little toys and gadgets but my other colleague does have a few more little toys and gadgets that he likes to play with but they've got to be in such a controlled environment because like you watch TV
00:33:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:34:00
Lee Hatfield
These REM pods are going off left, right and center. The cat balls are flashing and all these gadgets are going off. However, all you see is what's in front of the camera. You can't see what's behind the scenes if someone's clicking a walkie talkie. So, yeah, all these devices can work in your favor if they are controlled adequately.
00:34:27
Lee Hatfield
We could talk all night about all the different gadgets. and yeah The Ovilus 5, for example, it's a device that's got a bank of words in it. And allegedly the spirit is allowed to communicate and to pick up words. There's a phone app called the Necrometer.
00:34:48
Lee Hatfield
exactly the same sort of thing and weird experience with the necrometer we went to an investigation in a house and allegedly there was some activity in the basement the cell phones weren't switched on because we were driving to the location switched on for gps but not the the particular app wasn't switched on and we passed the cemetery we passed a graveyard pulled into the premises and half the house was built in 1875 and half of it was built in 1950. Okay, we go down into the basement just for shits and giggles. We turn the device on and the first words to come out of it were cemetery, graveyard, 1875, come and find me.
00:35:43
Lee Hatfield
Now, if these apps are designed to listen to what you're saying, we didn't mention that there was a cemetery or graveyard outside. So I'm pretty sure that that wasn't mentioned in normal conversation. So where did those words come from? A little bit of a coincidence, the fact that both of them were just outside the location.
00:36:06
Jo
See, I've never used, I've seen them used, but I've, I've always been skeptical because I've seen it in my mind, like this speaking spell. If you can manipulate the speaking spell, you can talk to me.
00:36:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:36:17
Jo
Well, I've seen Fred Durst manipulate a speaking spell for a song. So it's a bit, Especially if you see it on TV, I always question reality TV shows is never reality.
00:36:24
Lee Hatfield
and
00:36:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. and yeah In this day and age, things can be manipulated. You've got AI. You've got so many things that cannot be true in front of your own eyes due to technology that try and stick to the basics. But if you are going to use all these gadgets that have got the whistles and the the bells on, use them in a controlled environment.
00:36:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:55
Jo
Absolutely.
00:36:56
Lee Hatfield
The good old fashioned things of dowsing rods, again, can also be manipulated.
00:36:56
Jo
I always doubt.
00:37:02
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:37:02
Lee Hatfield
yeah People, in the in the good old days when Joe was a kid, he used to use the Ouija board.
00:37:02
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:37:11
Lee Hatfield
and people think that yeah And people think that's a kids toy.
00:37:11
Jo
By Mattel.
00:37:15
Lee Hatfield
we We sampled the Ouija board at one particular investigation, but we made sure that all users were blindfolded and it never moved. So is it manipulation by the individuals?
00:37:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's something that you can't really answer. But be mindful of the fact that outside sources, outside technology can influence a lot of these devices. So stick to the basics and investigate your heart out. Joe, have you had any situations that have involved these gadgets or have you never used them back in the day? or
00:38:00
Jo
back at the okay Back in the day, EVP, yes, spirit boxes, yes. Obviously stuff like the flashlights and the IR cameras, yeah. And EVP stuff. well But it's, and two mediums.
00:38:19
Jo
but it is the use of, as you're saying, in a controlled environment. So if you're doing it outside and like, Oh, I wonder what this cold spot is, like, well, it's freezing outside.
00:38:29
Lee Hatfield
It's minus 25.
00:38:30
Jo
That's what it is. Like the wind is blue. It's that. Yeah. It's, or the spirit box is going back and forth and it starts picking up stuff.
00:38:40
Lee Hatfield
and
00:38:40
Jo
It's also picking up the car radio going by. It's some sort of like the car, the someone's not a cell phone driving by you. that type, but you can't control for all everything, so you have to question the things you get.
00:38:52
Jo
In the smaller houses, it's it's a bit different, but like the code, like housing, even, you know, allegedly with the housing codes there, people don't follow code.
00:39:04
Jo
So you're gonna have exposed wires, you're gonna have wires just seeping through through EBP's, or it's gonna be seeping through for your any type of like, oh, it's my EMP field, like what, no, that's just the light bulb.
00:39:05
Lee Hatfield
Get another problem.
00:39:07
Megan andersonc
yeah yeah
00:39:09
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:39:17
Jo
So yeah, I've used them, but I never put, I wouldn't say like, I, this is a ghost because of it. It's curious when they all light up at the same time. And then you try to investigate what that is. But this, as far as it really take to the, it might be something as far as I take it though.
00:39:36
Megan andersonc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:36
Lee Hatfield
yeah like so you've got to be logical about how you use these things, when you use them and what's around you. yeah As far as Megan's concerned, as long as it's pink, she's happy.
00:39:49
Megan andersonc
yes you can get it in pink but yeah yes yes yes we have not a lot it takes a lot for her to go off but she has gone off a few times so that was pretty cool i think she went off when i was in the woods
00:39:53
Lee Hatfield
Or have a recorder. So Morticia or whatever her name was, your, your empa. Have you ever actually had her go off?
00:40:07
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:40:15
Lee Hatfield
and yeah and that's right okay because we was at the other location when you was in the woods so we don't we didn't really see much of your investigation yeah
00:40:25
Megan andersonc
Yes, yes. So yeah, so she went off once there. So that was pretty cool.
00:40:32
Lee Hatfield
but even with something as simple as a REM pod yeah if the battery starts going you're going to get adverse reactions and it's going to go off and the same with a cat ball if the battery's going
00:40:40
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:40:44
Lee Hatfield
it's going to go off.
00:40:45
Megan andersonc
Yeah.
00:40:46
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, if you're being conscious about what you're investigating and you're being logical, just because something's going off and it's going off intermittently, don't automatically think it's going to be something paranormal.
00:40:56
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:40:58
Lee Hatfield
It could be, oh, I just need a new battery.
00:41:00
Megan andersonc
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:00
Jo
Right, but they usually don't happen all at once though.
00:41:01
Megan andersonc
Exactly.
00:41:04
Lee Hatfield
No, exactly.
00:41:04
Jo
If your REM pod goes off and this happens, and this happens, yeah.
00:41:05
Lee Hatfield
If everything's going off all at once, yeah.
00:41:05
Megan andersonc
No. Yeah.
00:41:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. Because if you're a human being and you walk past them all and they all go off as you walk down the corridor, that's because you're walking past them. If that happens and no one's doing it, it's not a battery and all of it and it's not radio communication and all of it either.
00:41:18
Jo
Right.
00:41:20
Megan andersonc
Exactly.
00:41:25
Jo
It's like your three microphones picked up something that you couldn't hear, but all three picked it up.
00:41:25
Megan andersonc
exactly
00:41:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:30
Megan andersonc
Mm hmm.
00:41:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:31
Megan andersonc
Exactly.
00:41:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So that's something to be questioned further.
00:41:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:36
Lee Hatfield
right guys we've reached the end of another episode now for people that are listening yeah yeah episode three thousand four hundred and twenty six yeah
00:41:40
Jo
Yay. Episode 25, right?
00:41:41
Megan andersonc
yeah
00:41:46
Megan andersonc
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:46
Jo
Season 18.
00:41:50
Lee Hatfield
So for anybody that's
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00:42:05
Jo
What are your handles for that? Is it SIPA Canada, SIPA?
00:42:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I think if you just yeah if you type in C for Canada, S-I-P-A, especially for Facebook, I believe there's a there is a yeah Facebook link on the introductions to the podcast.
00:42:14
Jo
Okay.
00:42:25
Jo
Cool.
00:42:26
Lee Hatfield
and I think we have the the links to all those on there. But we're always posting videos, so come and follow us and see what we find.
00:42:31
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:42:33
Jo
It's very cool.
00:42:35
Lee Hatfield
But once again, I thank you both for your attendance on this nice summer afternoon.
00:42:40
Jo
Yes. Breezy.
00:42:41
Megan andersonc
Yep.
00:42:41
Jo
So breezy.
00:42:42
Lee Hatfield
and in February when it's minus 25.
00:42:42
Jo
I can't wait to.
00:42:42
Megan andersonc
Yep. Can't wait to enjoy the sun. Yeah.
00:42:47
Jo
yeah
00:42:47
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah, you're you're okay. He was on vacation a few weeks ago in the sun.
00:42:52
Megan andersonc
Yes, I miss it. Take me back.
00:42:54
Lee Hatfield
yeah Didn't get a suntan mind you, but she she was on vacation.
00:42:58
Megan andersonc
Yes.
00:42:58
Jo
Bye everyone.
00:42:59
Lee Hatfield
Okay guys, thank you very much and we'll talk again soon. Bye bye.
00:43:04
Megan andersonc
Bye!