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Episode 234: Legends of Anime
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While Hobbes is away (taking a well earned break, self-care is important!) Taya and Alex take this chance to talk about anime once again! This time they talk about characters from a number of different series and what colors they might be if printed in a Universes Beyond product. If you enjoy this conversation please join us in the Discord and continue it in our dedicated anime channel. We've included time stamps so people can avoid spoilers for shows!
Time stamps:
7:00 That time I got Reincarnated as a Slime
17:26 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
27:03 Frieren: Beyond Journey's End
34:28 Trigun
36:52 Chainsaw Man
38:26 Spy x Family
40:06 Delicious in Dungeon
43:44 Reborn as a Vending Machine, I now Wander the Dungeon
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Updates
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Hello Podwalkers and welcome to another episode of the Goblin Lore podcast. ah Very excited to to be here tonight, can talk about a topic that's, I think is going to be a lot of fun, but we'll start off with Hobbs is still taking a break, which is which is great. um He will be working on doing some of the, he's still working on some of the backend stuff, helping out with with editing and things, but Hobbs is taking a break from recording.
Anime Enthusiasm: Hobbs' Absence
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So tonight it is just myself and Taya. How about I introduce myself because I've named my two co-host and not myself yet. um I am Alex found on Twitter at Mel underscore chronicler and my pronouns are he him and tonight we're gonna talk about anime because while Hobbs is away Taya and I talk about anime. So um this is an episode we might have referenced at some point on air. I can't remember. Yeah, we thought we we said we should do this enough. Okay.
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OK, cool, because that's right, because the the opening question for that was just the main topic for this episode. So we're going to talk about anime. We're going to talk about characters and kind of talk about what their color pie identity might be in ah magic if they were in, say, a universe is beyond thing. But before that,
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Our opening question is to continue with the anime theme, but to take it from a little different angle, just to talk a little bit about some recent show maybe that we just found or just started watching. And just to, again, kind of have this fun anime conversation, because it's a hobby that Tay and I both love. And it's a perfect time to talk about it when Hopps isn't here, because it's just not one of his hobbies. So I'm going to talk about an... relatively recent one, but one from the last few years.
Otacon Adventures and Anime Discoveries
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I was just recently in DC at a big anime convention in Washington, DC called Otacon. And one of the things they do there, they got a lot of panels and a lot of stuff like big fan conventions do, but they also, because it's mostly anime focused, they just show anime in the theaters. They have some rooms just set up as theaters in the convention center. And
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show various shows. In fact, about a decade ago when I started going there, 2013, 2015, 2016, I used Oticon to find new shows to watch um before Crunchyroll really became a big thing. And now that that exists, it's easier for me to find anime. But this year, the the one show that I actually watched this year um was Chainsaw Man, watched the first four episodes of it. I really enjoyed it, though it was very over the top. My God.
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So it's one that I believe is uncrunchy. I'm going to try watching some more and and see if it follows, but I i enjoyed really enjoyed the first four episodes. So that's one that they that convention, which is it's the only one I think I've been to, but it's also like the biggest convention that I've been to. So it makes sense that they have some look sort of content that's divided up, but you actually have to get like 18 plus wristbands to see to do some of the panels and and see some of the anime.
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as you have to like go to the registration desk or a separate desk they set up that and show an ID to show that you are over 18 and then they give you a wristband that you have to show to get into the room chainsaw man required the wristband so yeah it absolutely falls into that category yeah it's and that one in particular because of the violence mostly yes there's there's a there's some that are violence there's some that sexual content and there's there's other stuff but it's like that and that was very over the top for that but yeah but yourself um great well my name is taya uh pronounced she her they them i'm taya transcends on blue sky
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And ah for this question, I'm going to go with my favorite one of the new season that's not reincarnated as a slime, because obviously that's my favorite currently airing one. I was not expecting to be into this type of anime, but ah the the anime I'm going to talk about is VTuber Legend, how I went viral after forgetting to turn off my stream, another long name ah and You know, I originally when I saw the list for this season, just lumped this in with like random idol anime or something like that that I usually wouldn't be interested in. But I heard a review that it was actually pretty good and I've been watching it now and and it is so funny. I absolutely love the show. It's very adult um for this for an anime in general, the
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um The concepts are a little, they are they're kind of a little weird the way they animate some of the concepts where the characters are always in their VTuber persona, even in the real world, ah which is kind of neat. But um overall, I like it because the the humor is very adult and and it's very entertaining to watch. So I highly recommend that one if you're into comedy, anime. ah Okay.
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That's cool. I got it. I got it. I'm on my list. I have a growing list. I might have to check that out. Cool. So characters, you know, that was the topic that Alex brought back up that we said we'd do in the
Anime Characters as Magic: The Gathering Colors
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future. And it's really all about, now, if we get some sweet universes beyond product, what color pairs would we see these characters in?
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ah Yeah. Yeah. And, and I'd like, I know we, we have ah a few more miscellaneous things, but I think there's a couple of shows that we are going to talk about a bunch of characters. So I think we're going to like normally, I think we'd fire back and forth and and things, which is a great format generally. But for this one, I think we're going to like try to hit those series together so we can try to timestamp it.
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um So if it's a show you what you're watching or something that you're interested in as we kind of talk about it, you can decide to come back later and and listen to that thing. Because then we don't have to be quite as careful for spoilers, even though some of these shows are fairly old. I've been around for 15-ish, 20 years, what did? For a bit. um It's still... Yeah, i mean I'm definitely going to say when I talk reincarnated as a slime, there will be spoilers for that. Yeah.
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Yeah, and I think probably best for, like, one of the full middle alchemists is one I want to talk about that I mentioned in the the last episode when we did this as an opening question. That was the one character I talked about there. So, that being said, do we want to start with Reinkarnite as a slime? Why not? um So, this one um I picked as my character to talk about last time, and um You know, honestly, at this point, I don't even remember what I said for Remuru because he's a shape shifter and can change color or, you know, um, but I mean, there's obviously white, there's the whole community building aspect. Uh, it's a focus of his identity.
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And it's also red because the whole reason he does everything is because he wants to live a comfortable life. He is definitely driven by his um desire to just experience the good things in life. And, you know, he'll do anything he needs to to make that happen. yep So I definitely see white and red.
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ah And then, um you know, I would put the yeah The last color possibly is green um because of how much focus he has on um kind of the a lot of more traditional things. But i I really think that's just anime in general, not necessarily this one specifically. So I'm not going to put that in his color identity here. So I really think it's
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ah You know, I really think he's kind of red white, maybe with a little bit of black because he's very selfish when it comes to um what he desires. Yeah.
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Yeah, like I could see that. And that's, and that's, it's an interesting conversation. We talk about it a lot with the food, whenever we do the color pie things, and it's like, um, individuals in particular, people are multifaceted. And so sometimes you have like one or two prominent colors, but there could be presence of other things. I could see the green because like green and white tend to be very strong for like community right and and there's a lot of that. And and if you kind of go green, white, red, that's, that's Naya, which is definitely kind of a, a place of.
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monsters that was more balanced rather than predatory like, say Jones. Yeah, and so that kind of fits his setup to where he kind of builds this monster village and just brings in all the monsters as long as they're, they're cool with keeping peace with all their other neighbors.
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Yeah. And I'm going to say probably the one I see people saying, why didn't you say blue is um obviously he makes use of his other world knowledge to do all these things, but it's not the pursuit of knowledge that interests him. It's applying it to do these things he wants to do. So I don't really think there's blue and a remarish color identity. I agree with you actually when you. When you were talking about, you said, red for sure, you know, white for sure. And you're kind of talking about what other color, like in my head, my first thought was, but not blue. Because like, he's involved with the development of science, and in essence, studying different magic effects. he forgives his He gives his underlings ideas based on his memories, and then they go and make it happen.
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Yes, and but that that is more of a like white pursuit of helping, empowering the characters who are more blue in their nature to pursue and build these things that will help to build the society that he's working on. Yeah, and there's an ah example in the most recent episode when, um and if you've read the novels, you know that this comes not too long afterwards, but he says he needs to invent a train, he needs to invent trains to make travel,
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um safer and ah more comfortable, you know, with the focus on the comfort aspect, because yeah he was like, you know, people were complaining, ah quint King Dargo, I can't even say it today, Dargo was complaining that it was an uncomfortable ride in on the carriage and Ray was just like, I know a solution for that.
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Yeah. Well, yeah. And it's like, even his, his use of science from the other world isn't to pursue new knowledge. It's just to rebuild the things that he knew of or knew how to do. Yeah. Um, so that's, uh, the first one I want to cover. Um, I would say my.
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My favorite character on the show and in the books is Diablo and just obvious mono black. There is no question, you know. It is literally in his name. Yeah. His title, maybe perhaps not a name. Nor the the the primordial black demon. Yes. But, you know, you can tell he he takes glee at following the darker orders he gets. Like when he took care of the seven days clergy members and he was really enjoying basically crushing them into a small void.
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Yes. So he, and the whole reason he he got interested in Remuru in the first place is because he thought that he thought that he'd be entertaining. Yes. Which yeah definitely fits that sort of black sort of thing. Yeah. You know, beating into my desires and then, you know, he ends up becoming a ah servant, but the you know I think that's a really easy color identity. He's very much a demon when he lets out his his demon side and he's not pretending to be just a good butler. you know The way he manipulates all the politics, which he's an expert at. yeah ah He has soul control magic, um binding contracts. It's just everything in the demon package right there.
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Yeah, and and even his things that aren't on the like maniacal, chaotic, evil sort of caricature of like a demonic or mono black character. I think he's much more lawful evil. Yes, yes, exactly. He's much more lawful, but also even those other instincts for him, like you say a lot of it is just coming to he's here to serve Remu because Remu is interesting. Yeah. So it's it's still in a sense in pursuit of his own desires. And but You know, making pursuing your own desires is not necessarily a malevolent thing, but but doing that sort of pursuing your own desires at any cost is a like a mono-black thing. even Yeah, like one of the first things he does when he's introduced into the anime is suggest sacrificing his two minions to power a spell. Yeah.
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And there's even some like historic thing with him back where he was interacting with, um, why can't I think of her name? The, the like paladiniest paladin of, of the show. Um,
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were he like, she's, she's you. Yes. And and he had some like interaction with her in like a kind of a positive way, even though he was a demon. And it was more just because he was, he was hired on a contract to buy by somebody who is was was like, they're like, they're dying breath, they gave him his life. ah So that he would go diablos would go and take care of the people who like killed him if i remember correctly yeah and so he's like sure cool i signed the contract i'm gonna go do this thing and he went and took care of this which ultimately in like the scheme of the world he's taking care of like demon problems yeah like working with a paladin but that was in pursuit of the contract and that's just what he kind of did so he's like cool whatever i'll i'll do this yeah
00:14:29
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Yeah, um really enjoy him. He's even more fun when he gets the other demons and the other primordial demons and it's his minions ah and gets them all serving Rheemaru.
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ah But if we want to talk about a, you know, we we said Reemaru is not blue. If we want to talk about blue, though, we we mentioned Raphael. That would be the character that is just, but literally the world's knowledge. Yeah. And as it progresses, especially into the books, Raphael loves messing with skills. You've seen it in the recent episodes where it's like, oh, sacrifice, bel but but I made a backup. And Raphael absolutely loves tinkering with skills and making new combinations.
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and just basically having all the knowledge there is. yeah So I think that's a very good example of a mono blue character. Yeah, absolutely.
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And then Val Dora, I'm going to end on Val Dora. I just think we have pure Jund here. You know, he's a force of primordial chaos. Absolutely. And he does exactly what he, you know, he wants to do. And even now it's like, you know, he spends all of his time reading anime and stuff and usually ignoring everything that's going on around him because that's what he wants to do. Yeah. And often when he's doing things, he doesn't. It's for the reward of here is some more stuff to read. Yeah. ah He's completely run by emotions. Uh,
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And, you know, I think the green just gets in or mostly as busy as a primordial ah source of chaos. ah Yeah. He's, he's a literal force of nature. Yes. That fits green. I mean, that, that was like the big green creature from Alpha too. Yeah. Force of nature. Yeah. That fits.
00:16:30
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Okay, cool. so I could probably do this for the whole episode if I just went down the list of characters, but I want to make sure we move on the other we have lots of stuff to talk about. So yeah if you ever want to chat with me about uh, ring carding is a slime character, just hit up the enemy channel in the discord because I've got opinions. Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, and I, I will say, I realized I, I went to say this early on there, there are some shows that some folks in the discord requested that unfortunately we just don't have time to to hit all of them. And there's a few that I'm not sure I could really.
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either of us could really speak to necessarily, so. Yeah, I've got a few quick hits. There's some future episodes, for sure. Yeah, I do have a few quick hits on some of those. I should be able to at least cover a character from each one, or most of them that we're given. That's awesome, and like and we will hit those last then, so. Yeah.
In-depth Character Analysis in Anime
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I'll do the the the one show that I had a lot more prep on than anything else that I did, so the other one I mentioned, that the one I mentioned at the opening of the show, Full Metal Alchemist, specifically, I'm gonna talk about Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood,
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If you're familiar with the animes, there's very quick, there is Fullmetal Alchemist, was there the manga that came out, the the comic you're not as familiar with with Japanese media, um that was adapted into an anime just called Fullmetal Alchemist. Like a lot of these ah adaptations, they just take the name, except that one.
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they got to the end of, the manga was ongoing before the show finished. And so they just hit a point where most anime that that happens to, they just start to create filler episodes and stuff. And by and large, fans are not as big a fan of that. And so they just decided they were going to write their own ending for the show, which veers off in a very different direction, but they just took what they had at the time, created their own ending. So it is really interesting. And I i enjoy that show. That's how I got into the property.
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But then, several years a number of years later, after the manga finished, they made a new show, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, that is much more faithful to the to the manga, to the source material, and goes all the way to the end of the story from that. um That is easily by my favorite of the two. um i From what I understand, that that is a pretty common sentiment, I feel like.
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um It's pretty good to watch on your own if on its own if you if you'd like. um they do ah the The first 12 or so episodes are a little accelerated pace just to kind of catch up and start doing what's new for the anime. But anyway, um when I talked about this in our last anime episode, I started with Roy Mustang, who I feel is red-white. um very much He's very part of the organization, very He's in the military. He joined the military. He saw the horrors of war. And he said, we need to fix this. The only way that I can figure out how to do that is to get to the top of this organization and fix this organization. And so he's very much about that order.
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the military and trying to climb the ranks while retaining his is much of his own and his integrity and desire to do good for the little people who are kind of trod on by the system as he can. um But he also, and not just his his power is fire. Silic Red fits thematically there too, but also he is very, can be very emotional. For a lot of the show, he keeps it under wraps, but there are moments where he explodes and it is,
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Well, very, he becomes very hot and fits his chosen element very well. So I feel like red white's probably a good yeah thing for him. um the The next character I wrote, which I think is interesting and there'd be ah a bit of a conversation about is Kimblee.
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So he, the first color, I mean, he's got a couple of colors, I think are are fairly obvious, but like, I think there's a, there's a surprising amount of blue in Kimberly. He kills a whole bunch of people just for the satisfaction of it, which I think for him is more of a manifestation of red than black necessarily, but I think his blue is, especially as the show goes on, he begins he begins working for the homunculi who are basically working against
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humanity. Despite being a human, heat he's working with them because he's kind of just curious. Like someone actually asked him one of the homunculi is asking him and he basically says, I just want to see who who history chooses. I want to see who wins. And I think there's a lot of kind of blue in his pursuit of that or his his interest in just what happens. he Yeah, I can definitely see that. um the You know, I don't know if if That this is, you know, maybe we're blue, black comes in because, or, or even blue, red, black, Grixxis, because I mean, we talked about Diablo being lawful evil. This is a very clear case of a chaotic evil villain. I think there is moments where he definitely is, but when they let him go, he follows their rules.
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Yeah. And so that's where I'm a little, that's where I'm a little more, ah a little more iffy on it or he, and yeah maybe Grixx, this is a good idea. And like, you're right, especially when he first gets the stone straight, just chaotic evil actions. That's that that's what happens.
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And then he sits in jail for a while and they, when they show up and he starts to see what's going on, he just kind of gets, I think he becomes interested that peaks the blue in his personality. And so he just cooperates just to see what happens, which honestly still could fit in black. He's pursuing his, his desires. Yeah.
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Without consideration of the cost of others. That's the real Yeah, and and without really concern of the cost for himself because he knows he's gonna die too. Yes Regardless of how useful he is. They're not gonna keep him alive He doesn't know their whole plan but he he's pretty sure I think he's pretty sure he he's gonna die even if his side succeeds he um Another one I think um Father is another interesting one where he kind of has shades of a few different things. Definitely black. Hands down. Pursues power above everything else with no concern of who or what is hurt. I think there's definitely some blue. There's a lot of learning how the world works. A lot of the power that he's pursuing is simply knowledge or for the sake of knowledge.
00:23:21
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um I think where where it gets a little more gray and a little more interesting maybe is, is ah is are there any other colors? So it's like- No, I think he's pretty solidly blue-black. That's kind of what I was thinking too. Like at first I was thinking white, but it's like he doesn't really care about order. He just creates this nation as a means, really as a means to harvest human life for his yeah for his ends.
00:23:50
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So okay. Cool. One I have that I think could be and ah could interesting too is Scar. So I think where he starts for sure, his mono red, he is like pure emotion like pure vengeance.
00:24:13
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That is all he is about at that point. He has forsaken his name. He still has, I don't think he's black, because by and large, he is tries not to kill people who are not alchemists and are part of this system, even if he hates the nation of Amestris. He's not going out trying to kill Amestrians. It's about the alchemists who caused the destruction of his people and are part of this structure.
00:24:37
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And he also has his rules about alchemy. Alchemy is forbidden, but he has this arm that he's going to deconstruct because that' that's kind of where he brings his line. I can deconstruct things, but I won't reconstruct things because then it's not really alchemy. e And so i I think in full red, to mono red to start with. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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And then I think that the two brothers, maybe we'll finish talking about the two, Ed and Al. And I think- Yeah, that sounds good. where Where they're different can be interesting. Like Ed is blue, primarily. He probably has some other colors, but he is very much about knowledge. He's very much about pursuing knowledge. um I don't think Al is blue though. Even despite being an alchemist. Okay, so you agree too. Yeah.
00:25:30
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Yeah, and and honestly, I think Al might be green white.
00:25:38
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He cares a lot about his his community. He cares a lot about people and cares about people too, cares about his brother more, but Al is like a lot more
00:25:51
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I don't know, I can't think of the right word, but I think he kind of goes out of his way more to bring people in than Ed does. Ed brings some folks into their group by the end, but I think Al is much more about that community and a lot of the Elgamy stuff for him, I think, being that he was the younger of the two and they both were awfully young when they started it. I wonder how much of his pursuing the science was just hang out with his brother and do fun stuff.
00:26:18
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which is kind of quintessential like green, moto green, timmy, tammy sort of. yeah oh But I think, so Ed is, I said probably blue, maybe a little red, he is awfully impulsive at times. Maybe some white, like he did, he joined the military specifically to use that order to help him, but I guess maybe that isn't white. Yeah, no, that's kind of not white. Yeah.
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yeah
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Okay, cool.
00:26:55
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So um yeah, so I guess let's go with another show we've talked about quite a bit next. Let's talk about Freerint. Yeah. Okay, so I've got a couple. You have a couple? Yeah, I have some ideas, but but let's go with the ones you have prepared first. and Okay, so oddly, and maybe it's too obvious, but I feel like Heiter is the epitome of black-white, right? Like he's a priest, part of a religious order, but he's also very self-indulgent.
00:27:30
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e um He, I think it might it might not to put he ah sort of tricks Freerin, but in a way that's good for both her and someone else he cares about. Yeah. You know, he definitely, uh, definitely is the kind of person to, uh, do that sort of thing. And yes, was very much, uh, you know, self-driven and, uh, enjoyed his partying, even though he was a priest.
00:28:04
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Yes. Yeah, mean maybe the to points of excess, but was was still fundamentally concerned about the good of the community and and the folks at least sort of within his group.
00:28:19
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um and I think I mentioned this previously on On the previous episode, but I think for you're in a solid red blue red, please okay go The blue is obviously all she cares about is pursuing Knowledge and new spells that that's her old goal in life. Yeah, that is that is like legitimately all she does Well, yeah, maybe not all all but pretty much all everything is in service to that, to you know some extent. And Reda goes because she just, she is very impulsive with what she does and kind of where she just decided to go on this trip, you know, based on some memories and, you know, and then she'll just, she'll sit in one area for six months and not consider what other people are going through just because she wants to find a flower
00:29:14
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you know, and gets really, and when she does get emotionally attached, a lot of her whole purpose for this trip is to, you know, and complete these connections she didn't complete when the people were alive.
00:29:27
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Yeah, yeah, you're right. Now that, that makes a lot of sense. I was trying to, I was trying to think of a, think of another color for her, but that, that makes a lot of sense. I didn't put red down, but of course, cause you're right. Like she spends, and part of this is kind of the the whole point of the show is that she's been alive for so long. She experiences time differently than everyone else, but also then ah even, even.
00:29:51
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The point of this whole show is that she is trying to build these connections and ah she realized that she squandered this opportunity to get to know someone better. And so she's decided that she made this decision, I'm going to be better about this. I'm going to get to know people around me more and value them more.
00:30:12
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And then she still does things like spend the six months and not really think about, well, I mean, that's, that honestly is the arc of people, which is part of the reason I think the show resonates so much. You can have this realization that you need to make a change. You can be dedicated to it. You can be working to make this change and you're still not going to be perfect. You're still going to mess it up. Especially if you've been alive for a thousand years. yeah She lives in the moment. She is not thinking ahead. you know She is not some art wizard. is you know it's Whatever she can grasp around her at the time is pretty much yeah where she's at and and what drives her interest. is it'll just Her interest will suddenly shift because she sees something that's new and shiny to her.
00:30:56
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Yeah. And and just the the way that the scale of time works for her, it's nothing to spend six months somewhere. So yeah why not? Why not just spend six months here? And which is, it's just funny, there's there's sort of an impulsiveness to it, but not in the same way that we would think of impulsiveness in, say, a human or a person who has a shorter-lived life, where it's you're jumping from thing to thing really quickly, and her, she'll jump and just not pay attention to anything else and spend so long at this one place. And that's why I think the combination of red-blue works best for her, even to the point of it might be hybrid red-blue mana.
00:31:33
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Oh, yeah, I never didn't even think of that. I like that a lot because I i get just did my notes. I had blue for sure. And I was like, not really green. I mean, elves tend to be green, but she is not. No, she does not fit her personality. Does not care really about the natural order whatsoever. No. OK, cool.
00:31:56
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um So you said you had a couple. heighter and fra a hideer for your So um I want to talk about Stark before we move on. Okay cool. I had a really hard time um placing Stark as a character.
00:32:14
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He's really emotionally driven. He lets that kind of get into his head a lot sometimes. And ah so I do think there's definitely some red in there is kind of what, you know, what he's doing. And maybe he is just mono red. It fits his clothing style too, but ah you know um And as the trainee of a dwarf, dwarves tend to be mono-red though. I think Aizen is less. Aizen is definitely not mono-red, but I don't know that how much red is in his character. Yeah. hu But Stark is a very emotional young man. and
00:32:59
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Yeah, really lets that kind of drive him. And he just does kind of whatever's going on, like the whole arc where Freeran and Fern are in fighting. They're doing this quest for the Academy. He's just hanging out with some old dude. He doesn't know. Yeah. And then he's just yeah and then the guy just yeah giving him random advice.
00:33:22
Speaker
Yeah, he's like training with some random old dude in the town He's like helping people with random things cuz it's like as they're leaving you realize at least the viewer I don't know how much freer picks up on I think she picks up a little bit but like Her and Fern were so doing so much work in on this that they they're leaving the city and everyone's just greeting that start cuz they leave it's like wait Yeah, what did you do for all of these weeks? Oh, you know this and that? Yeah
00:33:52
Speaker
So yeah, I think, you know, Freerin's another show I could probably go through and talk a lot of about multiple characters, but we're already but almost 40 minutes in. Yeah. I'll say this is, i do want to I didn't get a lot more, but I know you had some more. Yeah. So I'm going to go with some of our listener requests. Uh, the first one is, um,
00:34:22
Speaker
ah um Yeah, so FMA Brotherhood Trigon, so Bash. Yes. Bash is absolutely red. There's no question about that. Mm hmm.
00:34:39
Speaker
Um, I was, I was thinking about that in second guessing myself, but then third guessing myself because I mean, he wears a red coat. So let's call it, but he just, he goes wherever he's a wanderer. He doesn't have.
00:34:56
Speaker
a lot of tie down and you know for him a lot of what's going on is driven by again his emotional and his strong emotional response and in a lot of ways you know trauma response and everything you know so there's a lot of yeah a lot of that aspect to him but he's also just you know he's the humanoid typhoon you know he's a walking natural disaster Yeah, I mean, that's even the point of why he wanders is because of the devastation he accidentally wrought. And he's just decided no one is safe around me for long, so I just can't stay anywhere. Yeah.
00:35:39
Speaker
um And, you know, he's just, again, driven by his an emotional thing and his um you know, his love for their caretaker and that still drives a lot of what, uh, you know, he goes through. Yeah. And drives a lot of his worldview. Yeah. So that, that was the other thing I, you know, I, I think there might be some white in there because he does really want to build that, you know, he has that.
00:36:13
Speaker
And he wants to see community succeed and, you know, he tries to help when he can and do that. So he's, he's, he has very much has his like self-code of honor that he follows. Uh, yeah. Like the, yeah. And there's that, like tried to turn himself in so that town wouldn't get destroyed while they were all chasing him when they finally, yeah, there's.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, some white. and Again, I liked it like a very different red white than we would see it out of a Boris or even Lorhold. Yeah. um And then we did have a request for Chainsaw Man. I i told Alex before we started the show or this recording is that this show went in my eyes and out my ears. as I know I watched the entire thing, but I really can't tell you anything about it. But there's a dog with a chainsaw and a guy becomes the thing with chainsaws. And that's like all I can really remember of this show. Yeah, he
00:37:21
Speaker
It's I saw four episodes recently and I'm trying to assess most of the characters I don't. Yeah.
00:37:32
Speaker
The titular character who is the chainsaw man, there's definitely a red to him. I don't think he has any overarching long term goals.
00:37:43
Speaker
No. At all. ever At least ah in the four episodes I saw, like he was just trying to stop. He does not. Yeah. He's like basically just and and trying to get by. And then he just, he happens to find a place where he can get meals and even maybe a little bit of cash and it's like, okay, cool. This is where I'll just be then. Cause then I won't be starving, which is kind of where he was before. Mm-hmm.
00:38:12
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of a lot of red in anime characters. I suppose fits for a lot of the action genres of anime.
00:38:24
Speaker
um but we had ah We had a request on Spy Family too, and you mentioned that. Do you have a character you want to cover on Spy Family? um It's been a little while since I've been watching this show. i think um Again, it was so much red. I think Anya is probably, she really wants to help. She really, really wants to help, but she is so hapless and impulsive. I think there's a lot of red to her. I think, God, I can't even think of his name, the father of the family, the guy, Roy, thank you. He might be pretty blue-white.
00:39:04
Speaker
Like he's working for a government agency. His, he's a spy, but like his goal is to go into this other nation and prevent the, the cold war from becoming a hot war as it were. yeah And so I think he's pretty blue white, but then in a lot of ways is cut down a little bit by the fact that the show isn't actually an action show. It's a weird comedy slice of life.
00:39:29
Speaker
e Yeah. You know, I think that's a good blue, white, fur, and it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. you Those spies are usually blue, black. I don't think there's yeah any black at all in Roy. No, I don't think so.
Exploring Unique Anime Concepts
00:39:48
Speaker
And especially, like, I wouldn't say his organization is necessarily white, but at least for his specific pursuit and what he is trying to do. I think he's yeah he's trying to maintain order to keep things from going
00:40:02
Speaker
into chaos. Yep. And have you watched any Delicious and Dungeon? I have, and I have a character to talk about. Perfect. So I'm gonna, have you not watched this? I have not yet. I don't have Netflix, so it's one that I keep meaning to get Netflix to watch this. Mona, a bunch of other things. If you need to pirate it, you need to watch this show. Fair. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff.
00:40:30
Speaker
Yeah, this is probably the best new anime in years. Wow, okay. I i will really enjoyed it that much. an effort I will say there was- And it's also right up your alley for what you like in animes. It is both food and weird, funny fantasy world. And there was a lot of cosplay for this at Otacon a couple weeks ago, like an incredible amount.
00:41:00
Speaker
I was expecting, there was some free rein. I was expecting more free rein. There was yeah a lot more delicious in Dungeon. Oh yeah. It's kind of, it's become the, you know, the thing really, uh, so I was going to originally talk about Marcel, but, um, we don't need to talk about another red character.
00:41:21
Speaker
fair So I'm going to talk about Sensei instead. Um,
00:41:28
Speaker
he's very mono green his whole thing is preserving the ecosystem inside the dungeon oh yeah that sounds um and and then also feeding feeding his clan his people you know um he's not he he's not studying dungeon food to learn more about monsters like louse louse is very blue i don't think sentry is blue at all he doesn't he he just wants to uh you know, wants people to enjoy his cooking and realize that you can cook things with ma ah monster parts. He's not pursuing knowledge, he's pursuing utility more. Yeah, more. and And then yeah, his whole thing is, you know, he's obviously very green because his whole thing is maintaining the order within the dungeon, you know, the ecosystem, you know, and he even gets into like, well, if if there's no
00:42:22
Speaker
um you know if there's no like low or weak things for the medium tier things to prey on the medium medium tier things will die out and then the upper tier things will have more free roam to cause more damage and he just goes on and then he has his golems that he does with his gardening and gross his own vegetables uh So i think I think green is really easy for him. And if I was going to do a secondary color, it would probably be white. He's also very community focused. um you know he He loves building that comradeship with people around him. um But he also was a kind of like a loner stuck in the dungeon for a long time, too. So maybe he just wants friends. but Yeah.
00:43:12
Speaker
yeah yeah i Um, yeah, I think, I think near mono green dwarf would be, you know, not, not, uh, not a usual place for a dwarf, but he's a very unusual dwarf. He doesn't care about mining or anything like that. Yeah. No, that's, that's fair. All right, cool. Well that, I think, uh, I will definitely have to watch that and maybe we'll have another episode of this where we we hit a few more shows. Like maybe we go more on that and some of these other ones from, from the discord. Cause a couple of those, are we have one more we have to discuss. This is Hobbs's request. Yes. ah he He asked that we we talk about the the main character from Reborn is a vending machine, I now wander the dungeon. so He does not actually, we never really get his name name, but he this is a person who like many isekai's dies in or on earth and then is reborn in this fantasy world and he is a vending machine. Which he was obsessed with. who real yeah yeah just Yeah, just obsessed with them.
00:44:15
Speaker
in our, in Japan. And and the the first character that he finds gives him the moniker, Boxo, because he looks like a box. ah i I was thinking blue from the sort of weird science of the vending machine and maybe green. and What are your thoughts about Boxo? Oh. Um.
00:44:44
Speaker
That's, that's really, it's really hard because I thought about this when Hobbs asked us and I have, I have a lot of trouble. I'm paying him. I don't know if there's any green. Okay. That's fair. Because he's very tech focused. He's always coming up with tech, technical solutions for problems. True. That's, that's very true. Um, so.
00:45:08
Speaker
I can definitely see the blue besides just the knowledge of session. He's always like, how can I put these things together to solve the problem? who um And even just figuring out how to communicate as a vending machine was hard because he can't talk. This whole show, the protagonist cannot talk. He cannot communicate directly to the other characters except for saying a few pre-recorded phrases that were part of the vending machine's design.
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He has an internal monologue. So we get, we get a monologue from the character i yeah talking to the viewer, but well, like thinking to himself essentially. So it's, it's an interesting show. It's like maybe the only show i now that I'm thinking about it that I've seen recently that is basically first person, uh, in that way. But yeah, like communicating other characters, which again is why we don't get a name from him. Someone else has to name him because all he can say is a handful of prerecorded lines.
00:46:04
Speaker
that the character he found realizes, realizes there's an intelligence behind him based on how he's responding in things, which is also interesting that kind of how language, how they use language and do that whole characterizing as character. But yeah.
00:46:25
Speaker
ah A tough one. um The show also, and i it's been long enough, I haven't finished watching it, but it's also been long enough since I was watching it. I can't really speak to the color pair of them, but I just remember that show has a character named Director Bear, who is a literal bear, who is the director of the settlement.
00:46:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the Guild Leader for the Adventurers Guild. That's right. He's the director of the Adventurers Guild. and um Yeah, it's a it's a very silly show and I yeah really enjoyed it. it it is It is more enjoyable than it sounds from the premise because when I first heard about this, I'm like, this premise is going to last 30 minutes and then it's going to be just...
00:47:05
Speaker
um pointless but they did a good job especially like you talk about even like the language issues yeah you know so there's a lot of uh yeah and and he's basically oh he yo so the thing we didn't talk about is he needs to sell product in order to live because he has a dwindling energy supply that if he doesn't take in coins to convert to magical energy he will eventually just die Yep. And he can't move on his own because yeah he is a vending machine. He's actually a vending machine. he He learns how to like change what kind of machine he is as the show goes on yeah and what products he offers. But it's all vending machine that took coins to do something. Yeah. to To sell products to people. That is all he can do. Yeah.
00:47:55
Speaker
and and Despite that, at least I watched the six or eight episodes of it. like You're right. like they It felt like there would be one or two episodes max before they hit the limit of what was interesting, but they found good ways to to use the character and and his limitations.
00:48:11
Speaker
in in different and interesting ways and and work with the characters around him. It helps that the first character he finds is strong enough that she can carry him around. Yeah, I was gonna say the exact same thing when you were talking about him being an actual bending machine. They're not light.
00:48:27
Speaker
Yeah, no. yeah And so that's, and that's part of, yeah you know, that was probably a little thing they had to come up with, like, there needs he needs a way to move. Well, yeah so then you have a character who can actually physically move him. Well, it's like, well, now he needs to be able to interact with this character and that builds characterization and socialness dynamics into into the show. And um um I really enjoyed what I watched of it.
00:48:51
Speaker
It's on the list of things that I need to get back to that is long. Yeah. Um, if, uh, if there's a second color, it's definitely white because he, he really is in the helping the community. He doesn't expect a reward from it. Yep. You know, he's like always changing what he sells to be the most useful to people at the time, which, you know, is it just, you know, good business, but also he thinks about what people.
00:49:19
Speaker
what people need and would like. yeah Especially because in he is offering products most of these people have never in their life even conceived of. rush Even just a normal like hot heated cup of coffee out of the machine is something people would never expect to just be able to pull up you know or the various drinks that are commonplace in modern Japan or even in a lot of earth are just wild things that they had never seen or heard over tasted before.
00:49:50
Speaker
And that's not to say, that's not even to get into all the other weird and random stuff that he eventually uses at different points in time for for various plot reasons, which is also an interesting thing where it's like, what's his like main, as a character, like what is his main ability to move plot? And it is to change what products he sells. so yeah it's like or Yeah. Or what type of vending machine he is. Yes, what type of vending machine he is. so it's like That is a super like just interesting, different way to have to approach story like problems of plot. How does the character solve this problem? Well, he's going to start selling this to the people who are around him. It was a lot of fun. yeah so Yeah. I hope you enjoyed that, Hobbs. because
00:50:36
Speaker
um You know, I had to think about that a lot after your request. I don't think we're going to see a universes beyond for that show. No, it's just too bad. and I'd love, I'd love a boxo planeswalker that like plus one makes the food. You know, I don't know what else he'd do, but definitely plus one make a food, I think.
00:50:59
Speaker
Yeah, that had that would have to be number one. yeah um The one other request we didn't get to ah was from cilantro lad who asked us to talk about samurai shampoo. I have not watched that show in like 15 years, so I really can't speak to any of it because I don't really remember much about it.
00:51:20
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm sorry, me too. I started watching it a while ago. I never actually finished it it and it's been so long. And thank you at least ah for for remembering that because I forgot that. I missed that one when I was making a list of stuff today. So, yep. um I would have talked about it if I had anything I could remember to say. but Yeah, sorry.
00:51:42
Speaker
yeah ah Great. Well, that was, uh, another anime episode. We really love geeking out over this and hope, uh, hope you enjoyed it or got some recommendations.
Conclusion and Future Content
00:51:56
Speaker
Like I said, there's an anime channel in the discord. Feel free to stop in and talk about, uh, anything going on. There's, you know, the the new season running right now has some pretty good shows in it. So, um,
00:52:13
Speaker
Yep. And then just to close out, just remind everyone just to, you know, try to practice some self-care. It's like, that's a thing that, you know, it's part of why we're, we're missing some weeks here. That's just what what we're doing. Oh yeah, I definitely needed it. Yeah. And and so just to, just a reminder that, you know, you all are, are worth, you're important, you're worth it. Please practice self-care and take care of yourself.
00:52:38
Speaker
Oh, Dustborn's story started. One mut loan last mention. Oh yeah. um yeah i did not I did not know that until this afternoon when I saw it posted on the Discord, but ah we have Seanan McGuire as her student in Mira Grant um back for the Dustborn story.
00:52:55
Speaker
Yep. I'm glad to see they got, they got shot in again for this. Yeah. Hopefully we'll be talking to her once the story concludes. yeah Um, but, uh, yeah, so enjoy the dust-worn story. We'll have that to talk about in the next week or two. All right. And that's our show for today. You can find all of the hosts on Twitter for now.
00:53:21
Speaker
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00:53:38
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00:54:06
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